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Mickey 17 Ain't Invincible! (Review, Recap & Reactions!) · For All Nerds Show

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Speaker 2: everything that's been popping this week. We didn't get to
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Speaker 2: real quick. Yeah yeah, in theaters now. So you know,
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Speaker 2: this is a pretty spoiler field review. I mean, we'll
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Speaker 2: still stay away from most of it, but we're talking
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Speaker 2: about Mickey seventeen, directed by h There we go bon Junejoe,
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Speaker 2: the director of such great films as Parasite and Snow Piercer.
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Speaker 2: Uh the other one about the Gia. Yeah, I never
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Speaker 2: heard the damn name about the hippo hippo snow Piercer.
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Speaker 1: And I love Parasite, Love Snow Piercer, love OCJA like
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Speaker 1: and the Man's an Academy Award went out.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I went into this for high hopes. You know.
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Speaker 2: You I think weren't as interested in this from you know. I.
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Speaker 1: You know what, when I first saw the previews for
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Speaker 1: this last year, I was just like, something in something
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Speaker 1: in my spirit said I don't think this is for you?
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Speaker 3: And which is? You know?
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Speaker 1: And I like, like and this is a kind of
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Speaker 1: sci fi ish and things like that, Like it was
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Speaker 1: just something about it that just threw me off. Maybe
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Speaker 1: it's just the way Robert Pattinson looks in this, because
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Speaker 1: he looks like a weirdo on this and I don't know,
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Speaker 1: and maybe I wasn't paying attention to see who directed
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Speaker 1: it or whatever.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't until after the fact that I realized it.
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Speaker 1: So then I was just like, considering all the other
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Speaker 1: body of works that were really good and I enjoyed,
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Speaker 1: I said, Okay, I probably need to take a look.
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Speaker 3: I wonder if that was a mistake though.
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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I went in wanting to see it because
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Speaker 2: of everything you just say, you know, the director, his
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Speaker 2: previous works, the fact that it was sci fi, that
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Speaker 2: fact that of Patterson, who I think is a pretty
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Speaker 2: good actor, you know, surprisingly after his start, you know,
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Speaker 2: he's really turned into you know, really great after I'll
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Speaker 2: I don't really act. Yeah, I read, don't care for
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Speaker 2: his Batman, But that's beside the point. You know, in general,
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Speaker 2: I like him as an actor h and had a
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Speaker 2: bunch of other people that I was interested in seeing.
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Speaker 2: So I was going into this hype and I thought
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Speaker 2: the concept was ill. You know, I was like, oh, Okay,
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Speaker 2: he dies again and again he's in service of capitalism,
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Speaker 2: et cetera. This this is, you know, interesting, and it's
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Speaker 2: a lot of the themes that you know, Borrow likes
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Speaker 2: to tackle, you know, as you've seen the snow Piercer
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Speaker 2: and parasite capitalism and you know, wealth discrepancies and things
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Speaker 2: of that nature, things that he talks about a lot.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and but see, you don't learn about that this
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Speaker 1: movie being about wealth discremacies and social economic and stuff
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Speaker 1: until after you get into it. Like, maybe that's par
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Speaker 1: the reason why when I first saw it, like I
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Speaker 1: saw the aspect of him dying over and over.
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Speaker 3: I've seen that.
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Speaker 1: I've seen that concept done many different ways, and maybe
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Speaker 1: that's why I wasn't initially with it. But then when
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Speaker 1: you get into the movie, yes, they start bringing up
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Speaker 1: all these other aspects, you know, social political science like
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Speaker 1: all that.
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Speaker 3: Then I was like, okay, this is interesting.
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Speaker 1: So at first the movie happen, The movie had me
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Speaker 1: in the first half not gonna lie.
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Speaker 2: It didn't have me. See I knew that it was
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Speaker 2: doing some of that because of the trailer, because I
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Speaker 2: knew that he was doing it for work, So I
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Speaker 2: knew that it was about capitals. I knew nobody to
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Speaker 2: take this job, you know, just for you know, shits
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Speaker 2: and giggles. So I knew that he was doing it
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Speaker 2: because he had to do it, and so I figured
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Speaker 2: it would get into the reasons behind that.
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Speaker 3: And the character is a moron. The character.
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Speaker 1: They telegraphed that from the beginning, that this character is
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Speaker 1: one or more or less a moron.
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Speaker 3: And whether you got to do it for work or not,
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Speaker 3: I'm like, you're an idiot.
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Speaker 2: So yes, I don't know that part is true. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I it was. It's something that I won't say it's
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Speaker 2: come up recently, but I feel like I've noticed it
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Speaker 2: more when I've been watching films as of late. I
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Speaker 2: can't remember the last film that made me feel this way.
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Speaker 2: But ever, sitting in the theater twenty minutes into the film,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't ever want to see those first
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Speaker 2: twenty minutes again, Like nothing happened in them that I
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Speaker 2: need to ever see again. And that to me is
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Speaker 2: not a good sign, because then I start thinking about, Okay, well,
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Speaker 2: maybe there's something coming in this movie that I will
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Speaker 2: want to see again. They'll make me interested in this movie.
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Speaker 2: But when you're twenty minutes in. In the first twenty minutes,
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Speaker 2: feel like I waste your time to you or not
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Speaker 2: to waste my time, just like I'm just uninterested at
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Speaker 2: that point the film. Nothing is appealing to me. Just that,
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Speaker 2: like you said, there was some concepts and stuff that
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Speaker 2: they discussed early for maybe the first two minutes then
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Speaker 2: had me interested. I was like, Okay, they're going to
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Speaker 2: go there. But then within twenty minutes I realized they
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Speaker 2: weren't going to go there. There's gonna be a lot
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Speaker 2: of slapstick comedy, a lot of goofiness, a lot of
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Speaker 2: I guess it's stuff that you see in Parasite and
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Speaker 2: Snope Pierce here in all the films. But it's like this, yeah,
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Speaker 2: not like this.
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Speaker 3: Not in the word and this word of switch like this.
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Speaker 2: It's one of those films. It's one of those films
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Speaker 2: like this. It's one of those films where you just
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Speaker 2: and like the worst of the director's impulses are on display.
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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that's a great I'm gonna jumping now too,
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Speaker 1: because that's actually a great expression of what's happened here.
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Speaker 3: They let this nigga do whatever the fuck you wanted
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Speaker 3: to do.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's just.
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Speaker 1: And it shows it not in a good way, so
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Speaker 1: unlike differently from Benja mean, I actually was enjoying the film,
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Speaker 1: at least for the first hour, because it's an two
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Speaker 1: hours and change, which is not an hour and change
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Speaker 1: too long. It could have been an hour and it
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Speaker 1: would have worked, and I would have walked away generally
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Speaker 1: pleased or at least entertained. I thought the film was
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Speaker 1: pretty funny. Yes, there's lots of slaps and stuff, but
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Speaker 1: there's also and all the characters are all caricatures. Mark
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Speaker 1: Bruffalo was chewing the goddamn scenery.
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Speaker 3: Who was the lady who plays.
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Speaker 1: It's so fucking funny, and you could tell that they
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Speaker 1: were having a blast, like just being outrageous and out
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Speaker 1: there as possible, right like and and like they played
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Speaker 1: off of each other. There werefore those I mentioned Robert
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Speaker 1: Pattinson's character, at least initially, he was an idiot, and
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Speaker 1: you know, just seeing him play that type of character
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Speaker 1: where it's just like, I didn't want to say lovable idiot.
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Speaker 1: It's just just like, damn, you just down bad all
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Speaker 1: the time because of your own devices, right, and it's
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Speaker 1: like you can't be mad at the man, it's just like, ah,
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Speaker 1: you know, you just have enough and also.
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Speaker 3: You ain't got it.
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Speaker 1: And also Stephen June, yes, he is amazing because he
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Speaker 1: his characters is an asshole to say the least, and
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Speaker 1: he plays it so well. And like a lot of
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Speaker 1: Stephen you and generally before Beef's He's he's known as having.
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Speaker 3: Characters that people like typically, right, you know, even being.
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Speaker 1: The voice of Invincible, right, you're just like, oh, you know,
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Speaker 1: like you you vibe with him, and this one you're
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Speaker 1: just like, I can't stand this guy.
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Speaker 3: And that's what you're supposed to feel.
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Speaker 1: So character wise, generally, it was cool, but it was
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Speaker 1: like everyone was a character fine, funny, cool, But then
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Speaker 1: the movie kept going and.
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Speaker 3: That's when.
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Speaker 1: Bang June lost the plot and that's when I was
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Speaker 1: just like, he's doing way too much. There was something
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Speaker 1: and again and this is something I learned. This movie
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Speaker 1: is based off of a book of the same name,
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Speaker 1: and from what I read, the book author and the
9:44
Speaker 1: book author was all like, go bang June hole, Like
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Speaker 1: he was like, this is great. The author's book is
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Speaker 1: a completely different tone and a few different things happening
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Speaker 1: than what's happening into this movie. And I wish I
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Speaker 1: read the book because there were some good concepts in
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Speaker 1: the movie that I wish they went deeper into. You
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Speaker 1: could have kept the comedy, but went deeper into the
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Speaker 1: stuff that mattered.
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Speaker 3: Instead of doing that, the movie just oh my fucking god.
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Speaker 1: It just sat and stewed and marinated in the silliness
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Speaker 1: for two hours straight, and after a while it became
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Speaker 1: a waste of time. Like I started to get angry
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Speaker 1: after a while, like bruh, like bored and angry, like
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Speaker 1: why is this still happening?
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Speaker 3: I mentioned, Like I said, it was a very funny film.
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Speaker 1: There was the sci fi aspects were really well done,
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Speaker 1: Like the idea of there being copies, you know, copies
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Speaker 1: of humans, copies of people, how they become copies, why
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Speaker 1: you would choose to be a copy? Remember socio economic issues, right,
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Speaker 1: the politics behind that. You know, think about things where
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Speaker 1: we talk about cloning, right, like remember all that stuff
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Speaker 1: about them cloning the sheet that was a problem, right,
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Speaker 1: and all the stuff that goes behind the idea of
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Speaker 1: cloning humans, and that idea and all the.
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Speaker 3: Issues that come along with it.
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Speaker 1: That's interesting, that's great, laws all that, and then to
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Speaker 1: just run it through that I wish they stuck there.
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Speaker 1: There's even a crime aspect to it where I'm like,
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Speaker 1: that would have been fire if they stuck on that.
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Speaker 1: But no, we just get what I ended up seeing
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Speaker 1: as a parody of Starship Troopers.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I wouldn't even say that. I know what you mean,
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Speaker 2: Like there's like there's bits of Starship Troopers. The Starship
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Speaker 2: Troopers is definitely just such a I mean, you just.
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Speaker 1: Don't want you just don't. You just don't want to
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Speaker 1: say you start Troopers. I'm still going to say what
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Speaker 1: I said.
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Speaker 2: It is a parody of charg Tup saying pale imitation.
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Speaker 1: It's not even an imitation parody of I think, I think.
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Speaker 1: I don't think you're listening to the words I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: Do you understand the words that are coming out of
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Speaker 3: my mouth of a work of art?
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Speaker 2: No, because I feel you. Because that's like, even as
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Speaker 2: much as I enjoyed Ruffalo and collect they felt like
12:02
Speaker 2: I can't remember Shorty's name, but when Will Farrell and
12:05
Speaker 2: Shorty used to be on there doing the cheerleaders together,
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Speaker 2: like you know, it felt like an SNL stet, Like
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Speaker 2: it felt like they were going a whole different movie
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Speaker 2: than everyone else. Oh yeah, yeah, just a ridiculous you know.
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Speaker 2: Snl stit stretched out for two hours was their whole thing.
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Speaker 2: And it was true for the first five minutes, like
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Speaker 2: most snl stets, and then it was like, no, this
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Speaker 2: is not working for two hours. I can't And I
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Speaker 2: think Collect and Ruffalo are amazing, and I felt like
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Speaker 2: they were just wasted. I felt like very Funny was
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Speaker 2: doing a lot of work. I'll give it, Like you know,
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Speaker 2: it was cool. It had moments. I chuckled, Don't get
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Speaker 2: me wrong, I chuckled, you know, and like you said,
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Speaker 2: everything about the ideas that were abandoned were much better films.
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Speaker 2: And during the film and just now, I was trying
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Speaker 2: to remember where have I seen this idea about cloning
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Speaker 2: recently and having to wait for the clone to be
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Speaker 2: dead and assure that, And I'm like, oh, damn it,
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Speaker 2: they just did this an X Men shout out to
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Speaker 2: the era like that is one of the defining laws
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Speaker 2: of their clones is you have the nature the other
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Speaker 2: worlds just in case, you know, because the things of
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Speaker 2: this nature that we see explored in this film.
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Speaker 1: And that's why I said, I've seen this before, which
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Speaker 1: is why I didn't want to. I was like, I
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Speaker 1: read this, I've seen this concept before.
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Speaker 2: Definitely, it was more like that. I figured, you know,
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Speaker 2: just like you know, Parasite, I've seen you know, class
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Speaker 2: Struggle before, but I knew because of Parasite he had
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Speaker 2: a different take on it and it was dope. And
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Speaker 2: same with Snow Piercer. I've seen that type of film
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Speaker 2: before as well, but I like snow Piercer. Yeah. I
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Speaker 2: mean that's how I can pretty much say, you know,
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Speaker 2: without getting into some spoiler stuff. And we're reading reviews
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Speaker 2: of this and of his other work, people just say
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Speaker 2: in general that he can be very heavy handed, and
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Speaker 2: I guess I didn't get that from Parasite, especially because
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Speaker 2: I thought Parasite had such ill like little film tricks
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Speaker 2: and the way it shot, you know, adding to storytelling
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Speaker 2: things of that nature. So I thought that was dope.
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Speaker 2: I didn't feel any of it, and this I felt
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Speaker 2: like this movie was well heavy handed. I was telling
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Speaker 2: Tardanna that there were several shots that he reused. To me,
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Speaker 2: it's just like, oh my god, though, you can't be
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Speaker 2: spending millions on a movie and reuse shots. Give me
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Speaker 2: a different damn angle. At the very least.
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Speaker 1: After you said that, I reran the movie visually in
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Speaker 1: my head and I was like, holy shit, that was
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Speaker 1: the same shot over and over.
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Speaker 2: And over again. And it's like leading me a different angle.
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Speaker 2: If you're showing me the same action, give me a
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Speaker 2: different view of it, right.
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Speaker 3: Showing me a different point of view.
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Speaker 1: And what you're saying is also going to be my
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Speaker 1: last point about this felt like and it connects with
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Speaker 1: the whole thing about it being too long. It's he's
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Speaker 1: trying to hammer it into your head that this is
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Speaker 1: a this is a parable and a warning about the
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Speaker 1: dangers of the personality.
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Speaker 3: I get it, bruh, I just I don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't think you realized that I get it, and
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Speaker 1: I didn't need the extra time for you to make
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Speaker 1: sure I understood. And there's even a point that a
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Speaker 1: character suffers through. There's an incident that one character suffers
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Speaker 1: through that I wanted to punch the fucking screen, like.
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Speaker 3: Why would y'all do this? And why did you think
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Speaker 3: this was okay?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: And again I don't want to give nothing away because
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Speaker 1: I don't want to fuck but but it deals with
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Speaker 1: a person of color, and it made me mad.
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Speaker 2: It deals with a black person. Let's say it's straight and.
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Speaker 3: It deals with a black person, and it made me mad.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's funny because I was rewatching and Door
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Speaker 2: last night and once again, oh my god, it's one
15:28
Speaker 2: of the greatest television shows of all time. It's now
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Speaker 2: free on Hulu and the first three episodes are available
15:34
Speaker 2: on YouTube, so get on it. But if you watched
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Speaker 2: in episode six The Eye last night, and they used
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Speaker 2: a person of color, a black stin, a dark spin
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Speaker 2: black man in a scene, and it's obvious that they
15:47
Speaker 2: knew that they cast a dark spin black man in
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Speaker 2: this scene and that's why they were using him for
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Speaker 2: this scene. And it's excellent work, you know, and it
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Speaker 2: just it says so much, and it's like, no, we
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Speaker 2: need a dark spin black man for this scene, for
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Speaker 2: this scene. That really hit the way it does instead
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Speaker 2: of what they did in Mickey seventeen. Yeah, yeah, some
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Speaker 2: hot mess with a dark stip with a now I'm just.
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Speaker 3: A black person.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just disrespectful.
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Speaker 1: It was, and and Ben had to mention, like, I mean,
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Speaker 1: well before that point, but even especially at that point,
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Speaker 1: Ben was talk about he was thinking about walking out.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like I said, it was.
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Speaker 1: It was again, level of comedy will be subjective whether
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Speaker 1: or not it was funny. I did think like I
16:32
Speaker 1: was on the half of the audience that was pretty
16:33
Speaker 1: much laughing.
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Speaker 3: I was laughing stuff.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but again it was just you said, it was
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Speaker 1: his phantom.
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Speaker 3: It was just too much for too.
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Speaker 1: Long, and it's just like I got it. We got
16:46
Speaker 1: to wrap this shit up. I would grade it a
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Speaker 1: C me.
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Speaker 2: Too, C minus. And my final thought, just like you said,
16:55
Speaker 2: to wrap everything up is like you say, it felt
16:58
Speaker 2: like a foreigner explaining America to me. Yes's and yeah,
17:04
Speaker 2: And that is the same feeling that I felt when
17:06
Speaker 2: I read the American God's Book, you know, by the author.
17:10
Speaker 2: We shaan not mention anymore, but you know that's the way,
17:14
Speaker 2: you know, even though I worked on the show, when
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Speaker 2: I read the book, I was like, oh, yeah, bro,
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Speaker 2: I don't need you to tell me I get it,
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Speaker 2: you know, and you really don't, you know. And I
17:21
Speaker 2: don't think that he doesn't get it in a way
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Speaker 2: that bond he gets it, you know, but it's like
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Speaker 2: he gets it and it's one of those things where
17:30
Speaker 2: he's explaining it to you're singing to the court, to
17:33
Speaker 2: the choir, uh to the choir. You're singing to the choir.
17:36
Speaker 2: And not only you're singing to the choir when you
17:38
Speaker 2: make these artsy type movies, you're singing to a very
17:41
Speaker 2: small choir.
17:42
Speaker 3: A very specific choir who.
17:44
Speaker 2: Already's heard the song a million times.
17:48
Speaker 1: Who is there and and at least at least from
17:51
Speaker 1: people like on your side, things are there for that
17:53
Speaker 1: express purpose.
17:54
Speaker 3: I just want to see how you're going to do
17:55
Speaker 3: it differently.
17:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't that's c minus check it out
18:02
Speaker 2: if you feel like it. I'd wait for you know,
18:06
Speaker 2: any streaming service on.
18:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't say run to the theaters.
18:09
Speaker 1: And also just visually, this is not necessarily something that
18:12
Speaker 1: you gotta be like.
18:14
Speaker 3: That's one of the things.
18:15
Speaker 1: One of the points we do mention a lot in
18:16
Speaker 1: our reviews will be like whether or not you really
18:18
Speaker 1: shoul see it on the largest screen?
18:19
Speaker 2: No? No, not at all?
18:22
Speaker 3: All right, sorry, damn the worst I've seen but not
18:29
Speaker 3: my favorite. No.
18:30
Speaker 2: And I went in with high hopes and you know
18:32
Speaker 2: they were dashed against the rocks like I jumped off
18:38
Speaker 2: a cliff into the ocean.
18:39
Speaker 3: You know, money didn't even make.
18:43
Speaker 2: I don't know, like I say, he's singing to a
18:46
Speaker 2: very specific choir on this one. I can't see the
18:48
Speaker 2: dollars holding it. There's a reason to get released in March.
18:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, why is people saying it flopped me that much?
19:01
Speaker 1: Nineteen million domestically, fifty three million worldwide the first Yeah.
19:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know that's more than I got.
19:09
Speaker 3: Well, it probably because it costs like three hundred million.
19:12
Speaker 2: No, it didn't cost that much, but it probably least
19:14
Speaker 2: costs one hundred something at least. What a waste anyway.
19:20
Speaker 2: Also out this week is the finale of season three
19:24
Speaker 2: of Invincible Invincible of Robert Kurtman's Invincible. What's that going
19:30
Speaker 2: on Amazon Prime? The three? I mean, the finale just dropped.
19:35
Speaker 2: I honestly did not know it dropped. I thought it
19:37
Speaker 2: dropped on Friday, like the Severance. You know, I'm always
19:40
Speaker 2: watching after the Fat so I always thought it was Fridays.
19:43
Speaker 2: It ain't, and it's out now. I've not seen the
19:45
Speaker 2: finale yet. I'm up to the last episode before the finale.
19:50
Speaker 2: I think Hottown might be one episode behind that one
19:52
Speaker 2: episode behind, so you haven't seen the Invincible War yet.
19:55
Speaker 2: That's what happens in the episode.
19:57
Speaker 3: Right before that's I'm right about to be there.
20:00
Speaker 2: Right about to because at the end of it, ainstroams
20:02
Speaker 2: like go get him, and that starts it all.
20:04
Speaker 3: That's where I'm at.
20:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, when Invincible War only takes one.
20:07
Speaker 1: Episode, I mean I only got you know, two two,
20:13
Speaker 1: just like like.
20:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, and in the comics, I think it was like
20:17
Speaker 2: two issues. It was not very long either. And then
20:22
Speaker 2: immediately after that, you know, because everybody's seen the finale
20:25
Speaker 2: is the arrival of Conquest, who is voiced by none
20:28
Speaker 2: other than what's my man's name Dean Morgan? Who did uh? Nolan?
20:34
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Dean Morgan, right, jeff Yeah, that voices Nolan.
20:38
Speaker 2: That that plays Nolan, not Nolan, not Nolan. What what's
20:44
Speaker 2: what's the walking Dead bat?
20:48
Speaker 3: That's Jeffrey de Morgan, but.
20:49
Speaker 2: Jeffer Dean Morgan. Yeah. What's his name? Megan? Megan's here? Megan? Yes, yeah, well, uh,
20:56
Speaker 2: he voices Conquest. They say he does a great job.
21:00
Speaker 2: He appeared at the end of the last episode and
21:02
Speaker 2: I was not like, oh, that's the Conquest that I
21:05
Speaker 2: would imagine from the comics, but they say it's one
21:06
Speaker 2: of those things. As the episode goes on, he really
21:09
Speaker 2: gets into it. Conquest is not a very deep character.
21:12
Speaker 2: He is basically there to whoop Invincible's ass like none other.
21:15
Speaker 2: It is one of the bloodiest.
21:18
Speaker 1: And more bloody than fucking I'm a man beating his
21:23
Speaker 1: own child.
21:24
Speaker 2: All right, people, The reviews say the episode is like
21:27
Speaker 2: forty six minutes and the fight is twenty eight minutes
21:29
Speaker 2: of it. It is massive, and they say the animations
21:32
Speaker 2: are on full tilt like because some of the shit
21:35
Speaker 2: look cheap. In the beginning of this season, they say
21:37
Speaker 2: they saved the money for this fight and the comic
21:39
Speaker 2: it's out of control. No, Conquest is because he's not
21:43
Speaker 2: like his father. He is more, you know, he is
21:45
Speaker 2: just there to kill this dude. You know it's not
21:47
Speaker 2: about that. So and he does a lot of shit.
21:50
Speaker 2: There's one of the most trifling moments in the book,
21:53
Speaker 2: and they I've already confirmed that happens in the episode.
21:56
Speaker 2: I was really tired about it in the book because
21:58
Speaker 2: they left you on a toff hanger and you had
21:59
Speaker 2: to wag to move for it. They I knew they
22:01
Speaker 2: were wan't to do that, just because of how the
22:04
Speaker 2: end of the last season they have a moment to
22:06
Speaker 2: do that finale when Mark killed ainstroam Levee and they
22:10
Speaker 2: didn't do that. At the end of season they went on,
22:12
Speaker 2: so I knew they weren't going to do that because
22:14
Speaker 2: that's how it ended in the book mark killing Ainstrom
22:17
Speaker 2: Levy and you think he's trapped on this world and
22:19
Speaker 2: you have to wait a month for that to you know. Yeah,
22:22
Speaker 2: but they didn't do that, so I knew they were
22:24
Speaker 2: gonna go on. So they went on past that. So
22:26
Speaker 2: the Conquest Ship resolves itself in the finale, and you know,
22:30
Speaker 2: they were set up for season four, which I'll just
22:34
Speaker 2: say this, I really enjoyed season three and it's really
22:37
Speaker 2: breaking my heart at the same time because they've done
22:40
Speaker 2: better things than expanding some of the characters, and I
22:45
Speaker 2: know where it's going, and it's just so tragic, like
22:51
Speaker 2: and they're not avoiding any of the stuff that happens
22:53
Speaker 2: in the comic and it's all gonna yet every Like
22:56
Speaker 2: That's why I always tell you about INVINCIBLEOK, Like, this
22:59
Speaker 2: Conquish shit is nothing. It's light work. You know. If
23:02
Speaker 2: you think what happened with Conquest is the most terrible
23:05
Speaker 2: thing you've seen in animation, or.
23:06
Speaker 3: I thought I thought Nolan killing.
23:09
Speaker 2: Basically the worst light work, light work, like Conquests, I
23:15
Speaker 2: can't lie the The cliffhanger point in this episode was
23:19
Speaker 2: one of the first times that the book broke my heart.
23:21
Speaker 2: But then you know it's trying to reverse right away,
23:23
Speaker 2: so you know, you're like, all right, cool, but then
23:26
Speaker 2: there is stuff later on that doesn't get reversed that
23:28
Speaker 2: it's just no, and it's the way these characters grow
23:33
Speaker 2: and change, and you're already seeing the beginning of it.
23:36
Speaker 2: I was talking to one of my best friends about
23:37
Speaker 2: He's like, well, maybe they won't go down that route,
23:39
Speaker 2: and he didn't want me to spoil anything, but I
23:41
Speaker 2: was like, nah, bru, they are going down that route
23:43
Speaker 2: I've set up before on this show. They're going down
23:45
Speaker 2: the route. And at the end of season three they're
23:47
Speaker 2: already like Conquest showing up is signaling there's a lot
23:52
Speaker 2: of stuff that's about to happen, you know, right away
23:54
Speaker 2: in season four, and I would think by the end
23:56
Speaker 2: of season four, we're gonna get to where the book
23:59
Speaker 2: really ruined me, where I was just like, yeah, this
24:02
Speaker 2: is you know, like damn yeah, and then yeah, and
24:07
Speaker 2: then it gets worse for Horse after that for a while.
24:09
Speaker 2: But then it you know, eventually ends. I love how
24:12
Speaker 2: Invincible tells the story and if they get to the
24:15
Speaker 2: final end of the book, it's it's you know, it's
24:17
Speaker 2: one of my favorite comics for a reason, so looking
24:20
Speaker 2: forward to it As.
24:21
Speaker 1: Someone who never read any of the Invincible comics, I've
24:24
Speaker 1: thoroughly been enjoying this animated series from the beginning, and
24:28
Speaker 1: this season I've been thoroughly enjoying it as well.
24:32
Speaker 2: I got a question, Yeah, how was that Powerplex episode?
24:37
Speaker 3: Which one was the power Plex episode?
24:39
Speaker 2: Uh, the guy with the electrical powers who's trying to
24:41
Speaker 2: get back at Invincible.
24:43
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that shit was heartbreaking.
24:46
Speaker 2: Okay because then the book, I already knew how it
24:48
Speaker 2: was going down, and watch an episode I'm like, oh god, please, Okay,
24:51
Speaker 2: maybe they're not gonna do this. Maybe they're not gonna
24:53
Speaker 2: do this.
24:53
Speaker 1: No, up, that ship was heartbreaking, and that's why I
24:57
Speaker 1: do like I said, Besides.
24:58
Speaker 3: It's just a lot when it comes to the blood
25:00
Speaker 3: and the gore at times.
25:02
Speaker 1: But the violence, the level of violence can be like
25:06
Speaker 1: arresting for me at times where I'm like, okay, I
25:08
Speaker 1: do need to turn away because I can't. Yeah, but
25:11
Speaker 1: like just even using the whole power plus episodes as
25:13
Speaker 1: an example, just again giving you a well rounded approach
25:19
Speaker 1: even though these are cartoons.
25:21
Speaker 3: Quote, these are cartoons of people.
25:23
Speaker 1: Right, and what like a realistic, dirty version of a
25:28
Speaker 1: world with superheroes is really would like you know, would
25:31
Speaker 1: be like you know, again similar to The Boys, where
25:34
Speaker 1: it's just like these heroes are not as good as
25:35
Speaker 1: you think, or they're over there cussing out little kids
25:39
Speaker 1: and they're doing this, and they're doing that, they shooting
25:41
Speaker 1: heroin whatever they're doing, right, like they live in a
25:44
Speaker 1: life or for the good or the or the worst
25:46
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be.
25:47
Speaker 3: So to see like what drives different people.
25:49
Speaker 1: And I've always thought about that, like the people on
25:52
Speaker 1: the other side of things, like when the Avengers are
25:54
Speaker 1: fighting downtown New York and the building falls and somebody's
25:58
Speaker 1: family gets crushed, what happens to that person who survives?
26:03
Speaker 3: What are they going through mentally? What are they going
26:05
Speaker 3: through physically? Emotionally?
26:06
Speaker 1: All that stuff and Invincible that's what it's really, the
26:11
Speaker 1: deepness of it. That's what it's about, the cause and
26:14
Speaker 1: effect of being a superhero, not just about being a
26:17
Speaker 1: super to be honest. The stuff you've seen in the
26:19
Speaker 1: fights and all this stuff, whether or not it's twenty
26:21
Speaker 1: minutes long.
26:22
Speaker 3: The fights are just the window dressing.
26:25
Speaker 1: The real meat of the story of Invincible is what
26:30
Speaker 1: happens when something happens.
26:31
Speaker 3: What happens to these people? What about the forgotten? Right?
26:34
Speaker 1: What about as mentioned the cause and effect of what
26:39
Speaker 1: happens after Like all those questions that either you know,
26:42
Speaker 1: gets swept under the rug when you watch big TV
26:44
Speaker 1: shows or even big movies, stuff that becomes quote collateral damage.
26:49
Speaker 1: They dive into that, into Invincible, And that's why I've
26:51
Speaker 1: always loved this series. And that's why I also, like
26:54
Speaker 1: I have mentioned a few years back, my sister watches
26:56
Speaker 1: this and she not into comics whatsoever.
26:59
Speaker 3: And the fact that you can get.
27:00
Speaker 1: Regular people in on this because the heart of humanism,
27:04
Speaker 1: right is in there. But this, this ship has just
27:08
Speaker 1: been phenomenal from all aspects. You know.
27:11
Speaker 3: I like seeing your reactions to it, especially how you
27:13
Speaker 3: say how they just expand.
27:15
Speaker 1: And that's how you're supposed to, to me, do book adaptations, right,
27:19
Speaker 1: Like if you're gonna do it beat for beat, let's expand.
27:23
Speaker 3: And when I say for me, I'm talking about the story, right.
27:25
Speaker 3: You may not change the the the core of the story.
27:29
Speaker 3: But let's give me more than what the book gave me, right,
27:32
Speaker 3: you know?
27:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, then they give you more and given you
27:36
Speaker 2: less when they needed to, because it's like Robert Krtman
27:39
Speaker 2: was definitely a young writer when he was writing this book,
27:41
Speaker 2: and he's writing all by himself, and he's a young
27:43
Speaker 2: white dude, you know, and so there's a lot of
27:45
Speaker 2: dudisms inevincible that they've kind of erased. There's some stuff
27:50
Speaker 2: coming up that I wouldn't even say dudisms. It's very
27:53
Speaker 2: like that's that's the other thing about it, especially for
27:55
Speaker 2: him being a young white male and a straight white
27:59
Speaker 2: male at that. He does a lot of stuff that
28:02
Speaker 2: you just don't see in anything. And why one of
28:05
Speaker 2: the things that I wanted to talk Toronto is why
28:06
Speaker 2: I think you love it and why people are approaching
28:10
Speaker 2: it the way they do it is because, like your sister,
28:12
Speaker 2: it's because it is like The Walking Dead, where The
28:15
Speaker 2: Walking Dead was the first property to ever be like,
28:19
Speaker 2: what happens after the Zombie movie? That's what he always said,
28:22
Speaker 2: That's what it was about. He's like, what happens after
28:25
Speaker 2: the movie is over? Even if the three sequels, what
28:28
Speaker 2: happens after that, I want to tell the continuing story,
28:31
Speaker 2: and now was the first time that that had been
28:33
Speaker 2: done in large fiction at least, you know, especially in
28:36
Speaker 2: the comic book or TV series that we see later whatever.
28:39
Speaker 2: And Vincible is basically taking the story of Superman and
28:43
Speaker 2: it being like, okay, but what happens if Superman doesn't stop?
28:47
Speaker 2: You know, like what happens when Superman marries and grows
28:50
Speaker 2: and has kids? And you know, cause and effect? Like
28:53
Speaker 2: you said, what are these effects that you know if
28:56
Speaker 2: they continue to go on? Because normally, you know, in
28:58
Speaker 2: Superman story, it's reset every few years. The Superman's a
29:01
Speaker 2: major character owned by DC, and they're never going to
29:04
Speaker 2: allow his story to end. But Invincible ends like the
29:08
Speaker 2: book ends. There is a complete ending to it, you know.
29:12
Speaker 2: Robert Kurtman so far has never gone back to it.
29:14
Speaker 2: It's really unnecessary to me for anyone to go back
29:17
Speaker 2: to it because it tells the whole story of Mark
29:19
Speaker 2: Grayson's life, and it's like you could go back and
29:22
Speaker 2: tell stories that happened in between things. We have scene, yes,
29:26
Speaker 2: but beyond that, there's nothing really more needed to be told,
29:29
Speaker 2: And there's only a couple of things that Kurtman left
29:31
Speaker 2: out when even he finished it, I felt like, oh,
29:34
Speaker 2: he dangled that plot line and never got back to it.
29:37
Speaker 2: But it wasn't something I really cared about, you know.
29:38
Speaker 2: It's like something. And then the one other thing that
29:41
Speaker 2: they're doing so well is like stuff like with Rex Flode,
29:44
Speaker 2: who was one of my favorite characters in the book.
29:46
Speaker 2: I fuck with Rex.
29:47
Speaker 3: He's growing, I fuck.
29:48
Speaker 2: With him so tough, you know, and then Rex, you know,
29:51
Speaker 2: takes I mean Rex, he's growing, you know, he's growing.
29:55
Speaker 2: And yeah, and the ship with him and Ray, like
29:59
Speaker 2: that's expanded from the book. You know, it's like I
30:01
Speaker 2: can't even remember they dated in the book, but it's
30:03
Speaker 2: definitely expanded from the book. And yeah, yeah, and so
30:07
Speaker 2: it made what happens later on. Man, it's just yeah,
30:11
Speaker 2: god damn it.
30:12
Speaker 3: It keeps you invested.
30:14
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, for me, Invincible
30:16
Speaker 1: is a story about consequence, and that is a large
30:19
Speaker 1: concept that is completely ignored by like most of the
30:22
Speaker 1: things you watch. And granted you don't always have to
30:24
Speaker 1: know about conquests. Sometimes you just want to.
30:26
Speaker 3: See two superpowered people just fight. I get it.
30:30
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's really important that you get the backstory
30:33
Speaker 1: about why somebody's doing what they're doing, and that's what
30:35
Speaker 1: this Invincible does.
30:36
Speaker 3: So kudos to them.
30:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely kudos to them. I didn't like the second
30:41
Speaker 2: season as much, but I think that might have been
30:42
Speaker 2: because of how they split it up the way waiting.
30:45
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I think that might have lessened
30:48
Speaker 2: the impact. But the way they've been given this straight,
30:51
Speaker 2: I can't wait for next year for four. Like I say,
30:53
Speaker 2: it's like they're getting you know, I'm just staying one
30:56
Speaker 2: more time. Everything you've seen is still prologed. Fan, It's
31:00
Speaker 2: like we're not even getting to where it really gets crazy.
31:04
Speaker 2: It's characters that haven't even been introduced. Shit, who you're
31:07
Speaker 2: gonna fucking hate, And it's characters you love right now
31:11
Speaker 2: who you're gonna hate, And it's characters you hate right
31:14
Speaker 2: now who you're gonna love. It's just so wild. I mean,
31:16
Speaker 2: it's so funny watching people watch the show, because, like
31:19
Speaker 2: you said, everyone when Knowing went crazy or Mark, they're like,
31:23
Speaker 2: oh my god, you know what, you know, the memes, this.
31:25
Speaker 3: Was the worst thing.
31:26
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there laughing my ass off, Like yo, that
31:29
Speaker 2: ship was in the first six issues. Man, that ship
31:31
Speaker 2: was so minor in the mangers and.
31:35
Speaker 1: In the levels, Like just to tell me something like
31:37
Speaker 1: that was minor, I.
31:38
Speaker 2: Said, minor.
31:40
Speaker 3: What's next?
31:40
Speaker 2: It's glas like the Invincible war just happens. And like
31:44
Speaker 2: I say, that takes one thing. God, damn Dad, I
31:47
Speaker 2: forgot about dinosaur. I can't remember dinosaurs. I can't remember.
31:53
Speaker 2: There's so much to come.
31:54
Speaker 1: And and also it's not just all this is my
31:57
Speaker 1: last point about Invincible. It's not just allious and about
32:01
Speaker 1: the deafness of of you know, human.
32:03
Speaker 3: Spirit, Like no, sometimes the ship is just silly and funny.
32:06
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, but it's balanced, like it tells a whole
32:10
Speaker 1: story as a person that happens to be a superhero
32:13
Speaker 1: that is trying to live a life as a teenager
32:15
Speaker 1: or a young adult at this point, and what happens.
32:18
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, and I will and like I say,
32:22
Speaker 2: there's a lot of dudisms, but I will ask you
32:24
Speaker 2: give them credit. I think they've handled Mark and Eve's
32:26
Speaker 2: relationship even better than the comments. There's a lot of
32:29
Speaker 2: stuff coming with that that I'm gonna see how they
32:31
Speaker 2: do or if they incorporate it, because some of it
32:34
Speaker 2: it's to be weird. It might go overwhelm might not,
32:36
Speaker 2: It depends on how they do it. But I think
32:38
Speaker 2: their relationship in general is one of my favorite from
32:42
Speaker 2: you know, comics and after I love Mark and Eve
32:45
Speaker 2: and Eve especially I just love where she goes and
32:49
Speaker 2: what happens to her. And yeah, man, I can't wait
32:53
Speaker 2: to see it.
32:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, before we go, Ben, I mean, you're gonna be
32:57
Speaker 1: attending some events soon.
32:59
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, that's right. Well, that's right. Next week,
33:03
Speaker 2: March twenty second and March twenty third, I'll be down
33:06
Speaker 2: in the DMV area and the area. First, I'll be
33:10
Speaker 2: up in Phillydelphia March twenty second, and that afternoon I'll
33:14
Speaker 2: be at Multiversity Philly local comic shop down there. They're
33:19
Speaker 2: hosting me while I'll be doing a signing of Jimmy
33:22
Speaker 2: Hendrix Purple Hayes, the best selling graphic novel for me,
33:26
Speaker 2: and Mellow Brown and Tom Man Drake and Justin Proclewitch,
33:29
Speaker 2: Titan Comics and the Hindreds of State and all of that.
33:33
Speaker 2: So come through if you're in the Philly area, you know,
33:35
Speaker 2: get your butt signed. Holler at me. We'll be talking
33:37
Speaker 2: all about it everything, and you know, it's a really
33:40
Speaker 2: dope store. Multiversity. I can't wait to check it out
33:42
Speaker 2: and support. So then after that, I'll be headed right
33:47
Speaker 2: down to DC on the twenty third that Sunday, and
33:50
Speaker 2: I'll be at Phantom Comics that Sunday alongside my brother
33:54
Speaker 2: Julian Lettel, and we will be doing a whole ass
33:58
Speaker 2: you know, interview talk discussion about Jimmy Hendri's Purple Haze,
34:03
Speaker 2: and I'll also be doing a signing there as well.
34:06
Speaker 2: So shout out to everybody in DC, you know, HU,
34:09
Speaker 2: you know, and everybody else in the DMV, please come
34:12
Speaker 2: out and see me March twenty third, that's next Sundays.
34:15
Speaker 2: I will be in the place to be March twenty
34:17
Speaker 2: second and twenty third, traveling them down there doing my thing.
34:21
Speaker 2: So holl letting me if you in the area, you know,
34:24
Speaker 2: come through.
34:25
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