Latest / The Retention Marketing Podcast with Fexingo: Email, SMS, and Loyalty for Repeat Customers / How to Fix the Loyalty Point Trap
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- Lucas: You know what’s funny about loyalty programs? They’re usually built by people who think humans are robots. You spend five dollars, you get one point. You collect ten points, you get a discount. It’s transactional, it’s predictable, and frankly, it’s boring. Luna: Right, because we’ve all been there. I’m buying coffee, I’m collecting stamps, and half the time I forget I even have an app. But here’s the thing: if the mechanic is so simple, why do so many brands see their engagement drop after year two? Lucas: Because simplicity isn’t the same as value. Let’s look at a specific case: a mid-sized apparel retailer that recently audited its entire loyalty stack. They had three million members, but only eight percent were active in the last ninety days. The problem wasn’t the points; it was the ceiling. Luna: So the barrier to entry was too low, or the reward was too small to matter? Lucas: Exactly. Their top tier required spending fifty thousand dollars a year. For a clothing brand, that’s basically impossible for anyone who isn’t a boutique owner or a celebrity stylist. So you had ninety-two percent of your customer base stuck in a gray zone where they felt like they were trying, but never winning. Luna: That’s a classic trap. You create a status symbol that nobody can reach, so people just stop caring about the status altogether. Lucas: And then they tried to fix it by lowering the threshold, which meant giving away margin to customers who would have bought anyway. It’s a lose-lose. But this retailer did something different. They stopped measuring success by total spend and started measuring it by purchase frequency across categories. Luna: Wait, so instead of rewarding big checks, they rewarded variety? Lucas: Yes. They introduced a 'style explorer' tier. If you bought tops, bottoms, and accessories within a quarter, you unlocked free expedited shipping and early access to drops. No extra spending required. Just cross-category engagement. And within six months, their average order value jumped by twelve percent. Luna: That’s huge. Because now the customer has to buy three things instead of one to get the perk, rather than spending a fortune on a single item. Lucas: Precisely. It shifts the behavior from accumulation to exploration. And here’s the kicker: they didn’t just change the rewards; they changed the language. Instead of saying 'Earn 500 points,' the email said 'Unlock your next style drop.' It’s psychological framing. Luna: I love that. It makes it feel exclusive rather than mathematical. Most apps make me feel like I’m doing homework when I check my balance. Lucas: It’s exactly that. When you see a number, you calculate ROI. When you see an unlock, you imagine the experience. And for retention, imagination wins every time. But let’s push back on the idea that this works for every industry. Does this work for insurance? Luna: Honestly? Probably not. You don’t want someone 'exploring' their auto insurance policies. That sounds like a recipe for confusion. Lucas: No, it doesn’t. But it does work for services where habit formation is key. Think about meal kits or skincare. Those are repetitive, high-engagement categories. The apparel example worked because the product is visual and aspirational. Insurance is functional. So the retention hook has to be reliability, not discovery. Luna: So the lesson is that your loyalty mechanics have to match your product’s emotional weight. Aspirational products get gamified benefits. Functional products get service-based perks. Lucas: Spot on. And that brings us to another failure mode I see constantly: expiration dates. Brands love making points expire to create urgency. But urgency creates anxiety, and anxiety kills long-term loyalty. Luna: Oh, absolutely. I remember having points in a system that expired right before a sale I wanted. I didn’t feel urgent; I felt tricked. It made me angry at the brand, not excited to buy. Lucas: That’s the danger. You’re trading short-term redemption spikes for long-term trust erosion. The apparel retailer we talked about removed expiration entirely for their top tiers. Instead, they offered a 'point bank' feature where you could roll over unused points indefinitely. It signaled confidence. It told the customer, 'We know you’ll come back.' Luna: That’s a bold move. Usually, finance teams hate that because they want to clear the liability off the books. Points on the shelf are still a debt, technically. Lucas: They are, but the cost of acquiring a new customer is ten times higher than retaining an existing one. Holding onto those points is cheaper than running ads to replace them. It’s a balance sheet win disguised as a customer experience win. Luna: So the real question is whether you’re optimizing for quarterly accounting or decadal relationships. Lucas: Exactly. And this ties into personalization. Most brands send the same reward email to everyone. 'Hey, you’re close to Gold Tier!' Well, maybe I don’t care about Gold Tier. Maybe I care about getting a free bag with my next order. Luna: Right, because if I’m already buying bags, why do I need more points? I’d rather have the tangible benefit now. Lucas: So the retailer implemented dynamic reward selection. At checkout, you could choose between points, a discount, or a gift. And they found that thirty percent of users chose the gift. Why? Because it felt like a present, not a transaction. Luna: That’s interesting. It changes the mental model from 'I earned this' to 'I received this.' There’s a difference in how we process gratitude versus entitlement. Lucas: Gratitude drives repeat visits. Entitlement drives price sensitivity. If you train customers to expect discounts, they will wait for them. If you train them to expect surprises, they stay engaged even at full price. Luna: But how do you measure that surprise factor? Is there a metric for 'delight'? Lucas: Not directly, but you can track net promoter score alongside redemption rates. If redemption goes up but NPS goes down, you’re probably just being cheap. If both go up, you’ve hit the sweet spot. The apparel retailer saw a fifteen-point lift in NPS after switching to gift options. Luna: That’s a solid correlation. It suggests that when customers feel valued personally, they advocate for the brand organically. Lucas: And that’s the hidden multiplier. Word of mouth is the most efficient retention channel you have. But it only happens if the experience is shareable. A points statement is not shareable. A surprise gift is. Luna: So the takeaway for marketers listening is to audit your loyalty program not just for cost efficiency, but for social currency. Does it give people a reason to talk about you? Lucas: Absolutely. Stop building a ledger. Start building a community. The math works out better in the end, too. Luna: It really does. And it makes the job a lot more fun, honestly. Designing systems that people actually enjoy using is way better than managing liabilities. Lucas: Before we wrap up, I want to mention that these conversations are kept ad-free thanks to listener support. A couple of dollars a month is genuinely what keeps these going — buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo, if you've gotten something out of them. Luna: Yeah, it helps us dig deeper into cases like this one instead of skimming the surface. Thanks for keeping the lights on. Lucas: So, here’s the final thought for the week. Look at your own loyalty program. Are you rewarding the behavior you want, or just the behavior that’s easiest to count? Luna: If you find yourself checking your points balance and feeling nothing, maybe it’s time to switch brands—or redesign yours. Lucas: Right. Because if it’s not sparking joy, it’s just clutter. See you next time.