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- 0:00Hey everyone-welcome back to The Science of Leading.
- 0:02I'm Claire Monroe, and as always,
- 0:04I'm here with Edwin Carrington.
- 0:06Edwin, you ready to dig into what really makes high-performing teams...
- 0:09well, perform?
- 0:09Always.
- 0:11Glad to be here.
- 0:12Motivation's one of those topics I've seen misunderstood more times than
- 0:17I can count.
- 0:17People throw around "engagement" like it explains everything-but honestly,
- 0:22it's just the tip of the iceberg.
- 0:22Totally.
- 0:25And, like...
- 0:26I didn't get that at first, either.
- 0:28Early on, if someone looked busy,
- 0:30I just assumed they were motivated.
- 0:31But, you know, showing up on time and hitting KPIs-doesn't always mean
- 0:35someone's invested.
- 0:35Exactly.
- 0:38Engagement is what we see-attendance,
- 0:41participation, activity.
- 0:43Motivation is the deeper engine.
- 0:45It's what drives someone to care-to go beyond the minimum,
- 0:48to stay curious, to push through when no one's watching.
- 0:51And often, the signs of fading motivation show up way before any data
- 0:56catches it.
- 0:56Yeah...
- 0:57that hits.
- 0:58My first job out of college?
- 1:00Everyone hit quota, but half of us were secretly job hunting during lunch.
- 1:04There was this one woman-super reliable,
- 1:06hit every meeting, always nodded along.
- 1:09But she'd been interviewing for months.
- 1:11Looked engaged.
- 1:12But the motivation?
- 1:13Already gone.
- 1:13That's the trap.
- 1:15A team can look fine on paper-until suddenly,
- 1:19people start quitting or performance tanks,
- 1:22and leaders are blindsided.
- 1:24But if you step back, the cues were there.
- 1:27What we see at OAD-and what the best research backs up-is that truly
- 1:32motivated teams bring a different kind of energy.
- 1:35Ownership.
- 1:37Proactive problem-solving.
- 1:39The stuff that actually moves the needle.
- 1:39So where's that spark come from?
- 1:44Like-is it mostly about money?
- 1:46Or are we talking something deeper?
- 1:46It's layered.
- 1:48Psychologists distinguish between intrinsic motivation-doing something
- 1:53because it feels meaningful-and extrinsic motivation,
- 1:57which is driven by external rewards: money,
- 2:00praise, status.
- 2:01Maslow's hierarchy is one lens-people move from basic needs to wanting
- 2:07growth, connection, purpose.
- 2:09Then there's expectancy theory: people are motivated when they believe
- 2:14their effort leads to success, that success leads to real rewards,
- 2:18and those rewards actually matter to them.
- 2:20Break that chain at any point,
- 2:22and the whole thing crumbles.
- 2:22That tracks.
- 2:25I've been on teams with good pay and even bonuses,
- 2:28but if the work felt pointless-or like no one really cared what I did-I
- 2:32checked out.
- 2:33But other times, just having room to make decisions or see the impact
- 2:37of what I was doing?
- 2:38That alone kept me in it.
- 2:38Exactly.
- 2:41Autonomy, mastery, purpose-those are powerful internal drivers.
- 2:46But here's the nuance: motivation lives in context.
- 2:51You can have the best intentions,
- 2:53but if the role doesn't fit, the culture sends mixed signals,
- 2:57or leadership undermines trust-motivation will leak away.
- 3:00Slowly, and often invisibly.
- 3:00Okay,
- 3:04let's zoom in.
- 3:05You've coached so many teams-what actually builds motivation on the ground?
- 3:09Like, real-world, not just theory.
- 3:09Leadership.
- 3:12Without a doubt.
- 3:13The consistency of communication,
- 3:16the clarity of expectations, and the credibility of what's promised-that's
- 3:21what builds psychological safety.
- 3:23And that safety isn't fluff.
- 3:25It's the bedrock of risk-taking,
- 3:27learning, creativity.
- 3:29Without it, people play defense.
- 3:31They shut down.
- 3:31And culture, right?
- 3:35Like, not what's in the handbook-but what actually happens.
- 3:37Who gets promoted.
- 3:38What gets swept under the rug.
- 3:40I've seen places where the stated values were all about "integrity,"
- 3:43but then someone who cut corners kept getting bonuses.
- 3:43Exactly.
- 3:47Culture isn't aspirational-it's observable.
- 3:50When behavior and outcomes don't match the slogans,
- 3:54trust erodes.
- 3:55Fast.
- 3:56And that hits motivation hard.
- 3:58People don't just want fairness-they need it to stay invested.
- 4:02And then there's job design.
- 4:04If someone's role is a mess-unclear scope,
- 4:08mismatched skills, overlapping responsibilities-that confusion becomes
- 4:13demotivating.
- 4:13Even well-meaning performance bonuses can backfire if they reward the
- 4:17wrong behaviors.
- 4:17Wait, this is reminding me of that story you told-about
- 4:22the manufacturing plant supervisor?
- 4:24The one who fixed a quality issue before it became a fire drill?
- 4:24Ah,
- 4:28yes.
- 4:28That one always stuck with me.
- 4:30He noticed a subtle trend-small defects creeping into production.
- 4:35Nothing formal had been flagged yet.
- 4:37But instead of waiting, he quietly redesigned the shift-change checklist.
- 4:41No big meeting.
- 4:43No directive.
- 4:44Just initiative.
- 4:45Within weeks, quality improved and waste dropped-before senior leadership
- 4:50even knew what had changed.
- 4:51That's motivation.
- 4:52That's ownership without needing a nudge.
- 4:52That kind of action-you can't
- 4:56fake it.
- 4:57And you definitely can't buy it with,
- 4:59like, pizza parties and inspirational posters.
- 5:01It's built over time.
- 5:03Through the right kind of leadership,
- 5:04culture, and, honestly-just being allowed to do your job well without
- 5:09unnecessary friction.
- 5:09Exactly.
- 5:11It's not one big thing-it's the alignment of many small ones.
- 5:15And when that alignment breaks?
- 5:18Motivation starts to fade.
- 5:20Quietly, then all at once.
- 5:20Okay,
- 5:23practical brain on-what can leaders actually do to support motivation?
- 5:27Not the flashy stuff, but the real levers.
- 5:27First-clarify the win.
- 5:32Make sure people know what success looks like,
- 5:35why it matters, and how they contribute.
- 5:37Vague goals or constantly shifting priorities are demotivating.
- 5:41Then, build a habit of regular feedback.
- 5:44Not just once a year-weekly check-ins,
- 5:47real-time praise, honest conversations.
- 5:47And give people some breathing
- 5:52room.
- 5:52I mean-actual trust.
- 5:54Not just "you own this," but backing them when they take initiative or
- 5:58hit a snag.
- 5:58That kind of autonomy?
- 6:00It fuels motivation like nothing else.
- 6:00Exactly.
- 6:03And add enrichment-stretch projects,
- 6:06learning opportunities, chances to grow.
- 6:09Retention isn't just about keeping people happy-it's about keeping them
- 6:13challenged.
- 6:14And look, motivation evolves.
- 6:16That's why regular assessments and feedback loops matter.
- 6:20You need visibility into what's really going on-beyond gut feel.
- 6:20I've
- 6:25seen that firsthand.
- 6:26Some folks need structure to thrive.
- 6:28Others want full autonomy.
- 6:29One-size-fits-all just...
- 6:31doesn't work.
- 6:31That's why data matters, right?
- 6:31Exactly.
- 6:34That's where tools like OAD can help.
- 6:37Behavioral assessments give you visibility into what actually drives
- 6:41people-across the team.
- 6:43So instead of guessing, you can support and structure roles with intention.
- 6:43So,
- 6:49just to land the plane: get clear,
- 6:51stay connected, design roles with care-and listen to what people actually
- 6:55need.
- 6:56What do organizations still get wrong here?
- 6:56They go straight to the surface.
- 7:00Perks, slogans, quick wins-none of that lasts if the core is shaky.
- 7:05Motivation isn't a side project.
- 7:08It's a leadership discipline.
- 7:10If your team lacks clarity, respect,
- 7:13or meaningful feedback, the best perks in the world won't save you.
- 7:17Get the basics right-and keep doing them.
- 7:17Yeah-it's not something you
- 7:22"check off." Motivation moves.
- 7:24It's alive.
- 7:25You've gotta track it, earn it,
- 7:27and actually understand what's behind the behavior.
- 7:27Right.
- 7:31Treat it as strategic.
- 7:33Because when you do?
- 7:34You get better performance, stronger teams,
- 7:37and people who care.
- 7:38Really care.
- 7:38So-if you're wondering how to put this into action...
- 7:42you can test out OAD's tools-like behavioral assessments-for free at
- 7:47o-a-d-dot-a-i.
- 7:49It's a simple way to improve team fit and take the guesswork out of motivation.
- 7:49Claire,
- 7:54always a pleasure.
- 7:55And to our listeners-thanks for joining us.
- 7:58Motivation isn't easy, but the payoff?
- 8:00It's real.
- 8:00Couldn't agree more.
- 8:02Stick with us-there's so much more ahead on The Science of Leading.
- 8:06Until next time, Edwin-Thanks,
- 8:09Claire.
- 8:09Goodbye, everyone-take care and stay curious.