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Common Sense? Request Denied – With Dr Robert Evered, Retired Occupational Physician · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: but you'll have heard me on many news is saying, oh,
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Speaker 1: I've taken medical advice, and I'll be introducing you to
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Speaker 1: the person that I've taken advice from. And today is
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Speaker 1: the day that I'm going to introduce you to doctor
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Speaker 1: Robert Everard. And he is a retired consultant occupational position.
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Speaker 1: Now that's very interesting, because occupational physician, what does that mean?
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Speaker 1: But Robert very very kindly agreed not only just to
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Speaker 1: pour out common sense and frank speaking. Isn't that what
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Speaker 1: we need right now? He agreed to come and speak
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Speaker 1: to us on camera. Robert, Welcome to UK column At
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Speaker 1: last we are together. Thank you so much for agreeing
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Speaker 1: to speak to us and just give us a little
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Speaker 1: bit introduction to who you are.
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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Deby for inviting me on. I was quite
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Speaker 2: flattered when you contacted me and said would I do
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Speaker 2: an article or have an interview with UKC. I opted
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Speaker 2: for the interview on the grounds that, having read UK
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Speaker 2: columns articles there are such a high standard the bar
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Speaker 2: is set so high by people like Martin and Edwards
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Speaker 2: and the like that I felt in the interview had
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Speaker 2: been easier for the two options, But I will try
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Speaker 2: and do something sometime for the column about myself. I
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Speaker 2: qualified as a doctor from Guy's Hospital in nineteen seventy seven.
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Speaker 2: I spent about the first twenty years of my career
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Speaker 2: working in the NHS, initially in a hospital medicine and
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Speaker 2: then twelve years as a GP partner. I resigned in
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six and decided to retrain, so I got
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Speaker 2: a job with the IRF. I studied aviation medicine with
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Speaker 2: them and at the same time did an MSc with
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Speaker 2: Manchester University in occupational medicine and finally qualified as a
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Speaker 2: consultant of Credited Consultant around two thousand and three. In
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Speaker 2: the last twenty five years of my career, I worked
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Speaker 2: privately in industry, working for various companies. And it's probably
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Speaker 2: worth at this point going into whom I did work for,
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Speaker 2: because whenever I listened in speaking or I listened to
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Speaker 2: any of these any written information, I do the usual
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Speaker 2: three things which most UK column members I'm sure will do,
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Speaker 2: which is the why who said it? What did they
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Speaker 2: say and why did they say it? So before anybody
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Speaker 2: listens to me, I thought I'd say who I am?
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Speaker 2: So those are my qualifications. But I think to expand
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Speaker 2: on the occupation of position side would be worth just
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Speaker 2: going to the organizations that I actually work for as
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Speaker 2: a contractor and just looking through the sort of list.
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Speaker 2: I had a very typical career. I've worked for the
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Speaker 2: police Force maritime countries as an MCA examiner. I've worked
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Speaker 2: for educational establishments, mainly further education. I worked in paper
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Speaker 2: and steel mills. I worked for a LED refinery as
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Speaker 2: an HC appointed doctor, and finally I ended up in
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Speaker 2: nuclear power generation as an appointed doctor for the HC
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Speaker 2: in ionizing radiation. That is my background as to why
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Speaker 2: I might be worth listening to.
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Speaker 1: Can I just say to our members, thank you so
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Speaker 1: of members we have. I mean, the wealth of experience,
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Speaker 1: the wealth of knowledge, Robert, that you have is just
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Speaker 1: of our members say, oh, you keep us saying, but
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Speaker 1: come across the column? How did you find us in
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Speaker 1: the first place?
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Speaker 2: Actually I didn't, my wife out you. We don't do
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Speaker 2: social media. I don't know the TV set. We unplugged
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Speaker 2: the radio about four years ago, so we don't have
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Speaker 2: of our time on the internet in research, looking into
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Speaker 2: vary things that are taking place over the last few years.
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Speaker 2: And it was my wife that actually was going through
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Speaker 2: the UK column. So she went to that reference and
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Speaker 2: then we sat down and we listened, and then I
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Speaker 2: We've start with a column for the last four years,
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Speaker 2: well over four years now, and read most of the
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Speaker 3: We are so delighted.
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Speaker 1: We're just so delighted to have members like you who
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Speaker 1: give us so so much information. And you know, we
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Speaker 1: read the forums, all of us read the forums, and
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Speaker 1: we've noticed so much common sense and frank speaking, and
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Speaker 1: in particular from our members, especially you, Robert, because you
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Speaker 1: always come up with a very measured, meaningful answer and
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Speaker 1: you know, as you know, our UK column audience are
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Speaker 1: very switched on.
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Speaker 3: They're very aware of what is going on and what
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Speaker 3: the agenda is.
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to ask you this really big question,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know what you're going to say to it,
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Speaker 1: but you know, for all of us that are aware
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Speaker 1: of the agenda, we all ask the one question, don't
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Speaker 1: we Is our government trying to kill us? And we
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Speaker 1: all individually have our own answers, right, but you also
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Speaker 1: have your own answer, don't you? So please respond? I
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Speaker 1: mean it's the one question and the one comment I
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Speaker 1: think that people find really really difficult to take on
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Speaker 1: board is when you say, do you are you not
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Speaker 1: aware that your government is trying to harm you? People
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Speaker 1: don't seem to be able to. They can't get their
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Speaker 1: heads around it. They can't wrap their heads around it.
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Speaker 1: What's your response to that?
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Speaker 2: The obvious answer is they've always killed their populations. You
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Speaker 2: only got to live at the First World War and
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Speaker 2: seven billion dead? And who created the First World War?
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Speaker 2: I mean it was a creation. It didn't happen spontaneously.
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Speaker 2: It had people like you know, the various actors row
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Speaker 2: to know on a group, etc. Cause that. And then
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Speaker 2: if you just look at what governments have been up
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Speaker 2: to since And basically when you said of look at
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Speaker 2: what the government has been up to of late, I
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Speaker 2: mean I was just going through it the other day
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Speaker 2: and I found an interesting definition of demoicide. That's where
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Speaker 2: your government is trying to kill you. And it was
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Speaker 2: actually from a Chinese chap and his definition was a
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Speaker 2: situation with democracy incrementally annexted to limit the democratic rights
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Speaker 2: and freedoms available to its citizens in order to safeguard
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Speaker 2: itself from popular threats. And that's exactly what we've got
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Speaker 2: right now. It is a form of democide. They've caused
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Speaker 2: financial collapse. Well we know eventually with financial perhaps you
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Speaker 2: would just get poverty. Poverty kills people, It breeds disease.
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Speaker 2: They've injected untested needed drugs into people and particularly children.
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Speaker 2: We saw that with a COVID scam. They've destroyed our
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Speaker 2: our health system systematically. Since the mid eighties, promoting assisted
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Speaker 2: dying has been the right thing to do, and they've
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Speaker 2: been seeking and promoting wars in most countries. This is
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Speaker 2: the UK government in most countries on the planet. So
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Speaker 2: I don't think you need much more evidence than that
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Speaker 2: that the government is quite capable of killing its citizens.
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Speaker 1: And that is exactly why I love your responses on
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Speaker 1: the forum, because I ask a question and you've give
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Speaker 1: an answer, and that leads me quite nicely on actually
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Speaker 1: to the as you call it, CONVID COVID convis lies.
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Speaker 1: And one of the things that is so amazing about
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Speaker 1: our audience is that they do things. They write freedom
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Speaker 1: of informations, they write to their MPs, they speak up,
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Speaker 1: they pass the word. And you've been doing exactly the same, Roberts,
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Speaker 1: and I know that you're very keen to talk about
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Speaker 1: the COVID deaths, your freedom of information that you've been
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Speaker 1: that you've been writing. So what have you been doing
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes to expose the lies that we are
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Speaker 1: being told?
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Speaker 2: I suppose the first thing to state is when it
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Speaker 2: all came about the idea that some sort of lethal
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Speaker 2: virus going to hold the entire world's population, I found
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Speaker 2: the most ridiculous statement on the ground that viruses don't
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Speaker 2: kill people. They're mine irritating sort of parasites that give
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Speaker 2: us the sniffle was aches and shakes and disappear. I
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Speaker 2: know there's a lot of people in the column will
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Speaker 2: be going, oh, dear, leaves and viruses. Well, I do
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Speaker 2: believe the viruses for various reasons, but I do not
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Speaker 2: believe in the lethality viruses. They don't kill us. And
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Speaker 2: you get flu, you don't dive the flu virus, you
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Speaker 2: dive secondary bacterial pneumonia. So the first thing that there's
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Speaker 2: going to be this terrible world pandemic killing everybody because
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Speaker 2: of the virus, it was ridiculous. A virus is not
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Speaker 2: that unintelligent because viruses only live a few hours outside
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Speaker 2: of a host at best, easily destroyed by dehydration, ultraviolet light,
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Speaker 2: et cetera. So if they kill the hopes of virus
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Speaker 2: diyes not a good thing to do, so they don't.
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Speaker 2: So that was the first thing when it came about
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Speaker 2: that I did not believe for one minute that there
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Speaker 2: is a lethal virus and all, whatever will we be.
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Speaker 2: We have had odd viruses like ebola virus every now
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Speaker 2: and then. They've been don about for decades. They do
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Speaker 2: a little bit of damage and then disappear again because
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Speaker 2: it's not very sensible to kill everybody that the virus
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Speaker 2: had ever come across. So that was the first thing. Secondly,
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Speaker 2: there were lots of ways that people could have done
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Speaker 2: if they wanted to, particularly doctors, to actually see what
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Speaker 2: was going on in the nhure during the beginning of
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Speaker 2: the copied crisis. There was then that there isn't now
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Speaker 2: of course, access for something called the NHS dashboard, and
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Speaker 2: this is the real time readout from hospitals or bed
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Speaker 2: usage in the UK. So at the height of the pandemic,
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Speaker 2: which was about the second third weekend in April twenty twenty,
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Speaker 2: I went on there and decided I don't have a
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Speaker 2: look and see what the bed usage was, so if
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Speaker 2: I'd just give you the actual thing I download at
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Speaker 2: the time. So this was for the twenty fifth of
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Speaker 2: April twenty twenty, forty point nine percent of NHS general
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Speaker 2: at beds were unoccupied. That is thirty seven thousand and
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Speaker 2: five hundred of the total ninety one thousand, six hundred bits.
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Speaker 2: Remember this is a peak of the pandemic. People are
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Speaker 2: dying all over the place. Across England. Three thousand, two
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty eight patients were in critical care beds,
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Speaker 2: which represented seventy eight percent of the total of foury
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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty two critical air bids. The non
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Speaker 2: normal occupancy rate by the way for in physic arebids
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Speaker 2: is over ninety percent. And in London alone though, although
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Speaker 2: there were eleven hundred and twenty seven patients in critical care,
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Speaker 2: there were fifteen hundred and fifty empty critical care bids. Now,
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Speaker 2: at the height of a pandemic, that stinks to me.
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Speaker 3: It stinks to me as well.
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Speaker 1: And this is this is why our members are so
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Speaker 1: important and our audience is so important because we're bringing
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Speaker 1: out facts like this. So basically, Robert, what we're saying
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Speaker 1: is the hospitals were empty. So the Nightingale hospitals that
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Speaker 1: were all put up as these sort of overflow hospitals,
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Speaker 1: they were never needed in the first place. And you
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Speaker 1: have that officially. Let's because you wrote the freedom of information,
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Speaker 1: didn't you. Let's look at the question. Explain to us
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Speaker 1: how you got that information.
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Speaker 2: In this country, we have a system called RIDDLE which
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Speaker 2: stands for the Reporting of Injuries, diseases and dangerous occurrences
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Speaker 2: and it's a mandatory reporting system, so that should anybody
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Speaker 2: be injured or killed in a workplace, the HC has
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Speaker 2: to be informed and if you do not do that,
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Speaker 2: you're breaking the law. You can be fined. And even
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Speaker 2: in prisoned. So I wrote to the HC and asked
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Speaker 2: them how many people between I looked outside. Yeah. The
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Speaker 2: actual wording I used is could I have the number
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Speaker 2: of deaths reported to the HC by Riddle for each
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Speaker 2: year from January twenty nineteen to December twenty twenty two
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Speaker 2: due to exposure to biological agents? I asked us to
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Speaker 2: be broke down into exposure and agriculture and veterary settings,
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Speaker 2: laboratory work, experimental, investigative, and healthcare, both NHS and private.
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Speaker 2: I thought I would decize it so rather than just
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Speaker 2: add you know, how many people have been reported as
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Speaker 2: dying of OVID from workplaces of a put in biological agents.
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Speaker 2: I didn't expect many to turn up anyway. The result
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Speaker 2: was that the HC came back and said none. So
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Speaker 2: how can you have a terrible pandemic when people are
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Speaker 2: working in hospitals and the like and none of the
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Speaker 2: staff have died of it? All occupational health departments were
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Speaker 2: sent by the Faculty of Occupational Medicine details of how
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Speaker 2: they had to report under Riddle if a member of
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Speaker 2: staff had been exposed to COVID and then subsequently became
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Speaker 2: ill or died of it. So every hospital in the
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Speaker 2: country would have their occupational health department would have known
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Speaker 2: that this had to be reported and under what circumstances.
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Speaker 2: There are other things that were taking place at the time.
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Speaker 2: There's some GP magazines called Pulse General Practitioner, and I
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Speaker 2: came across one of these, I think it was General Practitioner,
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Speaker 2: which had listed one hundred doctors that it inferred had
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Speaker 2: died on the frontline fighting code. So I had a
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Speaker 2: look at them, and they're often named, so I had
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Speaker 2: a look on the GMC website to actually see whether
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Speaker 2: these doctors were still registered. Invariably they were not because
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Speaker 2: they were retired. In other words, they'd just died because
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Speaker 2: they were old, they'd been put down as COVID. And
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Speaker 2: yet even in the GP medical press, they were trying
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Speaker 2: to fool people, or at least to propagandaize it and
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Speaker 2: say that gps were dying of frontline work, which they
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Speaker 2: were not. So there was a whole raft of lies
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Speaker 2: taking place all at the same time.
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Speaker 3: What is going on, Robert?
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Speaker 2: Why?
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Speaker 1: I mean when you and I trained were of a
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Speaker 1: same generation, we trained at the same time. We're both
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Speaker 1: London trained as well. I trained at the Royal Free
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Speaker 1: you trained at guys. This is common sense, right. How
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Speaker 1: are doctors being conned or are being conned into carrying
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Speaker 1: on with this narrative even today? I mean even today
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, they are promoting more rollouts of
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Speaker 1: more injections for pandemic plandemic that doesn't exist. So what
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Speaker 1: is going wrong in the medical profession?
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Speaker 2: That is very little to say personally. As I say,
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Speaker 2: gps particularly have experience of viruses. They see tons and
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Speaker 2: tons of viral infections. I'll be able to go home
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Speaker 2: and take asp in, drink water, whatever, and therefore they
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Speaker 2: would be fully aware that viruses don't kill people. They
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Speaker 2: won't have seen anybody die. I think in my entire
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Speaker 2: medical career I saw one young child died of viralin
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Speaker 2: caphoalitis and that was in forty odd years. So, firstly,
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Speaker 2: I don't know why they believe there is terrible viruses
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Speaker 2: out there. I don't know what the training is now.
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Speaker 2: It seems to me they get shoved down the small
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Speaker 2: end of a funnel very rapidly after qualifying and become specialists.
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Speaker 2: But their specialty is so limited they don't think outside
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Speaker 2: of that specialty itself. I don't think that helps because
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Speaker 2: it doesn't give you a broad range of experience in medicine.
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Speaker 2: But overall, I have no idea. I mean, it's like
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Speaker 2: them wearing masks. I mean, anybody with an ounces sent
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Speaker 2: to work out that a virus is about eighteen animeters
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Speaker 2: and the smallest hole you can breathe through is about
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Speaker 2: one micropoint, not one in a micron. Well, obviously virus
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Speaker 2: is holding hands. You could probably get ten thousand sideways
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Speaker 2: going through the smallest hole you could breathe through. So
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Speaker 2: why on earth do they wear masks for things that
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Speaker 2: they must know pass through as easily as anything. I
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Speaker 2: have no answer to you. I can't understand it.
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Speaker 1: So let's go back to the elephant in the room,
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Speaker 1: because Robert, you know what the forums are going to
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Speaker 1: be saying, and you know what the chain box is
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Speaker 1: going to be saying. Many going to be saying, Oh,
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Speaker 1: here we go viruses again. And I do want to
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Speaker 1: go back to this because I think it's really important
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Speaker 1: because you have common sense advice on why viruses don't
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Speaker 1: kill people. The reason viruses don't kill people is because
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Speaker 1: they need a host to survive. So it's kind of
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Speaker 1: not rocket science to realize that this is impossible. But
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Speaker 1: what is important is bacteria and this is something that
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Speaker 1: people I think forget about or they don't associate with
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Speaker 1: regards to viruses. Can you tell us the importance and again,
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Speaker 1: maybe address your comments to people in the chat box
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Speaker 1: that are watching now going, oh, you know, we will
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Speaker 1: with you, Robert Wright, until you said that about viruses,
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Speaker 1: what's your response, because so much is dividing us at
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Speaker 1: the moment and I want to try and bring everybody
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Speaker 1: back together again.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm all for the people that say that. The
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Speaker 2: more that say viruses don't exist, they are not going
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Speaker 2: to comply with any requirements to mask up, socially distanced,
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Speaker 2: get jabbed up, get a jab aassport, or anything else.
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Speaker 2: So we're all on the same side. As far as
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Speaker 2: I'm concerned. Viruses have been weaponized against us for control
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Speaker 2: is as simple as that they're just irritating, none interesting
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Speaker 2: little things that I wouldn't pass the time of day
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Speaker 2: to even think about myself. So those that don't believe
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Speaker 2: they exist, I'm absolutely fine with it because we're all
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Speaker 2: on the same page. You know, we're not going to comply,
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Speaker 2: We're not going to mask up, We're not going to
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Speaker 2: get jabbed, and I think it's important to see what
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Speaker 2: they are being used for. As I say, they're weaponized.
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Speaker 2: They're part of this large scam scam I should put of,
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Speaker 2: you know, eventually going to lock us up with digital
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Speaker 2: passports and digital identity and everything else that goes with
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Speaker 2: the what's taking place now. Bacteria, on the other hand,
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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody can dispute that has gone by
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Speaker 2: a cheap microscope and a drop a yeurin on it,
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Speaker 2: leave it for a day, and they will run and
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Speaker 2: come back and see it seething with rods and cones
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Speaker 2: of various bacteria, usually E. Coli, so you can see
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Speaker 2: those of their own eyes. Bacteria are not discriminatory. They
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Speaker 2: will kill healthy people and they are extremely unpleasant, and
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Speaker 2: I think that's one of the reasons perhaps we are
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Speaker 2: getting all this microbial resistance going on at the present time.
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Speaker 2: I think it's because they're going to limit the use
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Speaker 2: of antibiotics, so the majority of this, when we catch
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Speaker 2: any serious illness, will not be given antibiotics in the
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Speaker 2: first instance. This will of course would be quite serious
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Speaker 2: with flu, because people have to die of flu, but
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Speaker 2: they die of secondary pneumonia. So I think it'll be
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Speaker 2: another way of coloring the elderly by saying, no, we
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Speaker 2: don't use antibiotics. It's just the flu. And by the
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Speaker 2: time they sort of get to a level where it's
21:57
Speaker 2: very obvious they're dying, it'll be too late anyway, because
22:00
Speaker 2: antibiotics take three or four days to pick in. So
22:03
Speaker 2: I think antimicrobial resistance is another one of their ways
22:07
Speaker 2: of color of population. I'm restricting their usage because I
22:11
Speaker 2: say even healthy people will diabectical infections.
22:14
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree, and I have to say to anybody
22:18
Speaker 1: that's watching UK column have done a lot of work
22:22
Speaker 1: on antimicrobial resistance, Dame Sally Davis who has declared that
22:26
Speaker 1: actually antimicrobial resistance will kill more people than climate change.
22:32
Speaker 1: So clearly it's on the agenda, and we've got shortages
22:35
Speaker 1: of antibiotics. But again it's this is why it's so
22:38
Speaker 1: great for your common sense and your frank speaking Robert,
22:43
Speaker 1: because some people will be saying, oh, allopathic medicine, antibiotics,
22:48
Speaker 1: you don't want to take those, stay away from antibiotics.
22:52
Speaker 1: And yet, to be honest, antibiotics have saved my life
22:56
Speaker 1: and they've also saved my son's life as well, so
23:00
Speaker 1: one of my son's lives.
23:03
Speaker 3: So what do you say to people that go.
23:07
Speaker 1: Stay away from all allopathic medicine, stay away from antibiotics.
23:12
Speaker 1: And I get that the antibiotics that we have at
23:15
Speaker 1: the moment, the ones that we're familiar with, the penicillins
23:18
Speaker 1: and moxicillins, doxycyclins, all of those that we're familiar with,
23:24
Speaker 1: those are ultimately going to disappear and we're going to
23:27
Speaker 1: be fed a whole load of new biological antibiotics or
23:31
Speaker 1: monoclonal antibodies or maybe even m rna an antibiotics. But
23:39
Speaker 1: what do you say to people who say that all
23:42
Speaker 1: allopathic medicine should stay away from it?
23:46
Speaker 2: I think then people haven't experienced what I have. I've
23:48
Speaker 2: seen perfectly fit, healthy people who have got something minor
23:52
Speaker 2: like cut on the hand, then develops sending sellulitis up
23:56
Speaker 2: the arm and then die within about five percent days.
24:00
Speaker 2: I've seen many, many people die unnecessarily from infection. It's
24:07
Speaker 2: as simple as that unless you've seen it. And one
24:10
Speaker 2: of people were really stuck in my mind as a
24:12
Speaker 2: chapanage about forty who was very very fit, very healthy,
24:17
Speaker 2: and he got a stript of cockle leg infection and
24:21
Speaker 2: I bit him the hospital because it was severe enough.
24:23
Speaker 2: It was tracked probably up to his knee when I
24:25
Speaker 2: saw him, and he clearly needed an interveneus antibartics, so
24:29
Speaker 2: he went into hospital. He was put on intervenos antibartics.
24:34
Speaker 2: He seemed to recover well over five to seven days.
24:37
Speaker 2: He'd run his wife to tell her that to come
24:39
Speaker 2: and collect him. He was coming home, and he dropped
24:42
Speaker 2: dead on the ward because the dear old strepto Coccus
24:46
Speaker 2: produced a toxin that actually killed him. So although the
24:49
Speaker 2: infection deserved had gone in his leg, he actually died
24:54
Speaker 2: because of the striped cockle toxin. So even when antibio,
25:00
Speaker 2: you can still die from bacteria.
25:02
Speaker 1: Like I say, antibiotics have saved my life, and I
25:08
Speaker 1: really can see a shortage of antibiotics. I've even heard
25:11
Speaker 1: from people who are telling me that they're now resistant
25:15
Speaker 1: to antibiotics. Oh no, no, it's all right what they're saying,
25:19
Speaker 1: we are now resistant to antibiotics. But then I've been
25:21
Speaker 1: finding out that they've been on three day courses or
25:26
Speaker 1: shorter than a seven day course, so they're not getting
25:29
Speaker 1: the length or duration of course that they would normally
25:32
Speaker 1: get of antibiotics, and in some instances they're not getting
25:35
Speaker 1: the dose either. And when I was speaking to doctor
25:39
Speaker 1: Sabine Hazan, I've heard her saying that some of the
25:43
Speaker 1: ivermectin that she's been looking at has been low dose
25:47
Speaker 1: or even fake with nothing in it at all. So
25:51
Speaker 1: you know, obviously they are playing about with our medicines
25:55
Speaker 1: that we already know. So I'm absolutely convinced that antimich
26:00
Speaker 1: trobial resistance is a big agenda moving forward. And we'll
26:03
Speaker 1: talk about the future and what you see coming up
26:05
Speaker 1: in the future in a minute. But we seem to
26:09
Speaker 1: have divided, Robert, And you know, like I say, you
26:13
Speaker 1: watch the forums, you know what our audience want to
26:17
Speaker 1: talk about. And we've got this huge division through Israel
26:22
Speaker 1: and Palestine, division through climate change.
26:25
Speaker 3: And that's probably why you'll come on to tell us why.
26:29
Speaker 1: Your name on the forum is denial, because you pretty
26:32
Speaker 1: much deny it every agenda that's going on at the moment.
26:36
Speaker 3: But we've got so much division. Why do you think
26:39
Speaker 3: that is?
26:40
Speaker 1: And what can we do to reunite and bring everybody
26:44
Speaker 1: back together so that we're all singing from the same page.
26:47
Speaker 3: If possible.
26:49
Speaker 2: I think the first thing we've got to recognize is
26:51
Speaker 2: that the type of people we are, these people and
26:54
Speaker 2: the column are independent thinkers, and independent thinkers hold really
26:59
Speaker 2: strong views and they're not likely changing particularly easily. So
27:05
Speaker 2: I think the important thing is to focus on what
27:07
Speaker 2: really matters. I think we're all in agreed that we're
27:10
Speaker 2: in a situation whereby our society that we've lived in
27:14
Speaker 2: is being totally changed by a bunch of psychopaths. I
27:19
Speaker 2: think whether the world is flat or round really doesn't count.
27:22
Speaker 2: That's not going to kill me. There are many things
27:26
Speaker 2: like Israel obviously, which are a disastrous particularly what's taking
27:31
Speaker 2: place in Palestine, and we can all have our own
27:35
Speaker 2: beliefs as to which side is the bolt. I think
27:38
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, there is one agenda,
27:41
Speaker 2: and all the other parts that are taking place, like
27:44
Speaker 2: what's taking place in Lebanon and everything else, is all
27:47
Speaker 2: to distract from their actual plan, which is to take
27:51
Speaker 2: which is globalism. It's to control the world's population and
27:55
Speaker 2: to decrease its numbers significantly. They seem to want to
27:59
Speaker 2: have the planet and only on a few slaves left,
28:02
Speaker 2: which is why I think we've got the plan going.
28:05
Speaker 2: So that's my opinion that we should all stick together
28:08
Speaker 2: because it doesn't matter how we disagree with the viruses
28:11
Speaker 2: exist or anything else. What matters is do we believe
28:17
Speaker 2: that we're in the grips of the most terrible period
28:21
Speaker 2: in human history. If we agree with that, then we
28:24
Speaker 2: should stick together.
28:26
Speaker 3: See what I mean.
28:26
Speaker 1: About common sense. I mean it really is as important
28:32
Speaker 1: as that, as as sticking together. And you know, with
28:36
Speaker 1: all of these areas of division that we have, and
28:39
Speaker 1: we can talk about keem trails, we can talk about
28:42
Speaker 1: flat earth, as you've said, But where I see a
28:45
Speaker 1: real danger, Robert, is that when you and I were
28:50
Speaker 1: in a hospital environment, you used to come on the
28:52
Speaker 1: ward and not you personally, because sadly we never we
28:55
Speaker 1: never met in a clinical setting, but consultants would come
28:59
Speaker 1: on the word and they would write in the medical
29:04
Speaker 1: notes where we were going forward, what investigations that patient
29:09
Speaker 1: was having, what treatment, etc. And the nurses who were
29:13
Speaker 1: in uniform and the doctors were in white coats. The
29:16
Speaker 1: nurses would write notes in the cards. And we would
29:20
Speaker 1: have a handover every morning. And I know that you're
29:22
Speaker 1: going to talk about what you did during handover, but
29:27
Speaker 1: I'm looking now at an industry because it's not a
29:31
Speaker 1: health service, it's a sick service, it's a dead service.
29:34
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a service that's going digital, where no
29:38
Speaker 1: hands are being held, where people are writing, nurses are
29:42
Speaker 1: writing in medical notes, nurses are putting things into digital files.
29:48
Speaker 1: Where the future doesn't seem to be the patient. The
29:51
Speaker 1: future seems to be reliant on devices. So we're reliant
29:57
Speaker 1: on a test result that's come from where we're reliant
30:01
Speaker 1: on an oximeter to tell us what's our saturation is.
30:05
Speaker 1: We're reliant on some form of digital maybe an iPad
30:10
Speaker 1: or a camera sitting next to our beds. What's gone
30:14
Speaker 1: wrong and what can you see or the perils that
30:19
Speaker 1: we seem to be treading into with regards to digitization
30:23
Speaker 1: in the future In medicine, I think the first.
30:25
Speaker 2: Thing that's gone wrong is that people just don't communicate
30:28
Speaker 2: anymore that they used to. I mean, it would be
30:31
Speaker 2: perfectly normal if you know, when was going around a ward,
30:35
Speaker 2: that you would actually sit on the side of the
30:37
Speaker 2: bed with the patient, particular if they're elderly, and even
30:40
Speaker 2: just hold their hand, anything to make them feel better,
30:44
Speaker 2: because I mean, at the end of the day, we're
30:46
Speaker 2: a public servant. If you work for the NHS and
30:48
Speaker 2: you're there to actually improve people's health, I think people
30:52
Speaker 2: have just lost their interest in people. It was fascinating
30:58
Speaker 2: a few years ago. I used to go conferences, occupation
31:01
Speaker 2: health conferences, and I went to one at the NEEC,
31:04
Speaker 2: which was mainly for private occupational positions. And when you
31:10
Speaker 2: get to the NEC come off at the station. I
31:12
Speaker 2: don't know if you know, it's got a long sort
31:14
Speaker 2: of walkway. There's actually an automatic walkway, so you could
31:17
Speaker 2: just sort of stand on it and get transported, or
31:20
Speaker 2: you can use your own legs. Likewise, there's escalators, or
31:23
Speaker 2: you can use stairs. Then I've been to the private one,
31:28
Speaker 2: and then there was an NHS one about two months later,
31:31
Speaker 2: and did exactly the same thing. Got off the train,
31:33
Speaker 2: went into the into the NEC, and it all seemed
31:38
Speaker 2: very different. I couldn't put my finger exactly what was
31:40
Speaker 2: wrong at first, and then I realized what it was
31:44
Speaker 2: when I went to the private conference. The people chatting,
31:47
Speaker 2: walking briskly, using the stairs, not the elevators. They were
31:53
Speaker 2: all happy, and they had about selested. I didn't looked
31:57
Speaker 2: at all the NHS employees they were show coming along.
32:00
Speaker 2: They were using the automatic walkways, they were using the escalators,
32:03
Speaker 2: their heads were down and nobody's really talking to each
32:06
Speaker 2: other and what was looking like a completely different species
32:09
Speaker 2: of human beings. And it really stuck in my mind.
32:13
Speaker 2: I thought, Yes, this is the problem the NHS. It's
32:16
Speaker 2: the people that work at it are the biggest problem.
32:20
Speaker 1: Is that down to vocation? Do you think, Robert, Because
32:23
Speaker 1: I've said often in my day, you know, it was
32:26
Speaker 1: an honor, it was a privilege to be accepted as
32:30
Speaker 1: a student nurse. There was competition, you know, there was
32:33
Speaker 1: maybe sixty places for a year's intake and maybe four
32:38
Speaker 1: hundred applicants for a London teaching hospital. So are we
32:42
Speaker 1: saying that the vocational side of medicine has seemingly disappeared.
32:49
Speaker 2: I think it probably has. I don't know the motivation
32:53
Speaker 2: of a lot of people for working in healthcare, and
32:55
Speaker 2: most of them don't seem to enjoy it, or I
32:57
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of contact anymore with the people
33:00
Speaker 2: who work as doctors, are anything similar. I think a
33:04
Speaker 2: lot of it is management. I left in ninety six
33:09
Speaker 2: because of the constant interference by various groups of people
33:14
Speaker 2: into the NHS. I mean there's a whole list of
33:16
Speaker 2: changes that took place that caused me to leave. They
33:20
Speaker 2: turned general practice into a business of that I have
33:22
Speaker 2: no doubt at all. People were then incentivized to work
33:27
Speaker 2: by being paid for doing ludicrous things like well personed checks,
33:32
Speaker 2: you've got something perfect well that you spend time looking
33:34
Speaker 2: at them. They took away domiciley cooperty for the elderly
33:38
Speaker 2: for instance, well we all know should know that the
33:42
Speaker 2: main reason why the elderly go off their feet is
33:44
Speaker 2: often due to coroperty problems. So gps were happily accepting
33:50
Speaker 2: bribes if you liked by the government to do things
33:52
Speaker 2: the government wanted them to do at the same time
33:56
Speaker 2: as using useful clinical treatment. So it did change. I
34:03
Speaker 2: would have said. In the mid nineties is when there
34:05
Speaker 2: was a real deterioration in the NHS. There were many
34:09
Speaker 2: tiers of management that were brought in, and that in
34:12
Speaker 2: itself changed the relationship I think between staff and seniors.
34:19
Speaker 2: For instance, a you know work for consultant. The consultant
34:22
Speaker 2: determined his own list they say surgery or how the possible,
34:26
Speaker 2: how he ran his clinics. Then of course management was
34:30
Speaker 2: brought in and managers decided how the consultant worked, you
34:34
Speaker 2: know what was on his list, and I think the
34:37
Speaker 2: same curb with nurses. You then, first of all you've
34:39
Speaker 2: got the nurse managers who replaced the sisters, and again
34:44
Speaker 2: this caused in what enormous problems. So I think it's
34:47
Speaker 2: it's been a gradual grinding down of the workforce. And
34:51
Speaker 2: I think the sort of people that are attracted into
34:53
Speaker 2: nursing and medicine today are probably very different from the
34:56
Speaker 2: type that we're attracted to it in my day, in
34:58
Speaker 2: your day.
35:00
Speaker 1: I think from a nursing point of view, Project two
35:02
Speaker 1: thousand I think was the kiss of death when nurses
35:07
Speaker 1: became university graduates and it just all has gone downhill.
35:14
Speaker 1: I mean, for me personally, I knew every single one
35:18
Speaker 1: of my patients on my ward right. I would go
35:20
Speaker 1: on a morning shift and I would say good morning
35:24
Speaker 1: to every single one of them after I'd had handover,
35:27
Speaker 1: and then before I went home, I would say good
35:30
Speaker 1: night or goodbye to every single one of them, and
35:33
Speaker 1: they knew me by name. And at the moment, we
35:37
Speaker 1: have people in the NHS who we don't know who
35:40
Speaker 1: they are, we don't know what qualifications they've got, and
35:43
Speaker 1: do they know their patients. I would argue that actually
35:46
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't know their patients. And what can
35:50
Speaker 1: we trust in the NHS. If we can't trust doctors
35:54
Speaker 1: and we can't trust nurses, then perhaps we can trust
35:58
Speaker 1: the tests. And this is an other subject that seems
36:01
Speaker 1: to have arisen from nowhere. One in two get cancer,
36:05
Speaker 1: and of course we're seeing huge rises in young people
36:09
Speaker 1: with cancer, turbo cancer, vaccine, serious adverse reactions. Perhaps we'll
36:14
Speaker 1: maybe maybe we'll have to do a second interview, Robert,
36:17
Speaker 1: if you're up for it, and we'll go into that.
36:19
Speaker 1: But I want to talk about tests, because we've talked
36:22
Speaker 1: about this prior to today's interview, and I think it's
36:26
Speaker 1: really important. Women are being called for smear tests and
36:31
Speaker 1: men are being called for PSA. It's all about your prostate,
36:36
Speaker 1: all about prostate, all about cancer. One in two die
36:40
Speaker 1: of cancer, which I think that statistic came in around
36:44
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, so it's recent. So what is your response
36:49
Speaker 1: to people who are saying, Oh, I'm off to get
36:51
Speaker 1: my PSA tests or I'm off to go for my
36:55
Speaker 1: cervical smear.
36:56
Speaker 3: Should we trust these tests?
37:00
Speaker 2: A test in my day was something you did as
37:02
Speaker 2: an adjunct to a clinical examination, in other words, to
37:06
Speaker 2: the history from the patient, which was the longest part
37:09
Speaker 2: of an examination is actually getting an accurate history. You
37:14
Speaker 2: then have an idea what you think is wrong with
37:16
Speaker 2: the patient because you've listened to them. You then will
37:19
Speaker 2: examine the patient and that will either confirm or refute
37:23
Speaker 2: some of the things you were thinking were likely to
37:26
Speaker 2: be a cause of the symptoms, and then you would
37:30
Speaker 2: do tests to confirm what you thought was the diagnosis.
37:34
Speaker 2: They were confirmatory. What we're see now is tests are
37:39
Speaker 2: done and then they're given to the patient. In other words,
37:42
Speaker 2: even if patient goes along has a PSA test, PSA
37:46
Speaker 2: comes back raised, and now, of course they will keep
37:49
Speaker 2: repeating that test or do prostate bartases, even though there's
37:54
Speaker 2: no real reason why that person will have prostate cancer.
37:59
Speaker 2: I've seen it many times with things like MRI scans
38:03
Speaker 2: done whereby people have been told, oh, yes, MRI is normal,
38:09
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with you, this terrible psiaticky you've got.
38:14
Speaker 2: The MRI says you haven't gone anything wrong with you.
38:16
Speaker 2: And on one occasion, I her woman who was in
38:18
Speaker 2: her thirties, very sensible reading, who had severe sytiker absolute
38:24
Speaker 2: classic L five S one fifth number first sake from
38:27
Speaker 2: root compression and right down to the sole of her foot.
38:30
Speaker 2: She'd lost her ankle reflex, which is another sign that
38:33
Speaker 2: she got significant nerve compression. And then she started becoming incontinent,
38:41
Speaker 2: which again can be a symptom of AL five one
38:45
Speaker 2: route compression. She went for an MRI. The MRI came
38:49
Speaker 2: back was reported as normal. She was therefore discharged by
38:54
Speaker 2: the hospital saying, no, there's nothing more they can do
38:56
Speaker 2: for her. MRIs normal, she doesn't have a disprolapse. I
39:01
Speaker 2: think about two weeks later, I saw her several more
39:04
Speaker 2: times and it was clear that she had now become
39:06
Speaker 2: completely incontinent. Eventually, I managed to convince the surgeon to
39:12
Speaker 2: do an exploratory much against his will, but he very
39:14
Speaker 2: kindly did so and took a piece of dis material
39:17
Speaker 2: out of her spinal column nearly the size of a fingertip,
39:22
Speaker 2: which were causing her symptoms. So that's an MRI scan
39:28
Speaker 2: that didn't give the diagnosis. I mean it said there
39:31
Speaker 2: was nothing there, but there was something there. So the
39:35
Speaker 2: reason she eventually think God got control of her bell
39:38
Speaker 2: on bladder back was because she was operated on without it.
39:42
Speaker 2: She had been infertently doubly incontinent at thirty. So that's
39:46
Speaker 2: my belief in negative tests. As regards to positive tests
39:50
Speaker 2: like PSA's, I've never had one or ever will do.
39:56
Speaker 2: PSA should only ever be used, in my opinion, the
39:59
Speaker 2: monitory of people who have been diagnosed and have secondary
40:04
Speaker 2: prostate cancer. In these people it's often in the hundreds.
40:08
Speaker 2: The levels of the one hundred or more. You put
40:11
Speaker 2: them on, say an anti estrogen. If the level doesn't fall,
40:14
Speaker 2: you then try a different drug. If it falls, that's
40:17
Speaker 2: the right drug. That's the way to use it. The
40:19
Speaker 2: blanket test people for PSAs and then say above four
40:23
Speaker 2: if you're over sixty five, I think is the current
40:26
Speaker 2: thing is abnormal and you've probably got prostate cancer. Is
40:29
Speaker 2: just making people worried sick when they're not even sick.
40:35
Speaker 2: So no, I don't have any time for a lot
40:36
Speaker 2: of tests. They should be done as a confirmatory aspect
40:42
Speaker 2: of a clinical diagnosis.
40:44
Speaker 1: Robert, we've got I mean, we've got seven million on
40:48
Speaker 1: the waiting list and it's growing, and we know that
40:50
Speaker 1: the NHS has collapsed. I mean the Lord Darzi report
40:54
Speaker 1: which he did in eight weeks tell us that the
40:56
Speaker 1: NHS is in a dire state, which already knew. So
41:03
Speaker 1: what does the future hold do you think for the NHS.
41:06
Speaker 1: Has the NHS gone forever as I believe that it has.
41:10
Speaker 1: I mean where you and I remember hospitals with windows open,
41:17
Speaker 1: visitors coming through the door at two o'clock with bunches
41:20
Speaker 1: of flowers and magazines and quizzing the staff on how
41:25
Speaker 1: their loved one. That's gone, that's completely gone. And we've
41:28
Speaker 1: now almost come to a situation where hospitals are prohibited actually,
41:35
Speaker 1: and what you get met with at a hospital now
41:37
Speaker 1: as a security guard and relatives aren't welcome. And in
41:41
Speaker 1: our day at the relatives and the family were our regulators.
41:45
Speaker 1: You know, if there was something going wrong or if
41:48
Speaker 1: there was a problem, we would soon know about it.
41:51
Speaker 1: With this digitization of the NHS and the NHS app,
41:55
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's been apparently thirty four million been downloading
41:59
Speaker 1: the NHS app, which I personally think is the digital well,
42:03
Speaker 1: is the key to a digital hell. And I would
42:06
Speaker 1: ask people to consider whether downloading the NHS app is
42:10
Speaker 1: a sensible thing. But where is this taking Doctors? Are
42:15
Speaker 1: we simply getting rid of doctors? Have doctors become the
42:19
Speaker 1: turkeys at Christmas, and we're all going to need engineers
42:21
Speaker 1: because we're going to be transhumans. What do you see
42:25
Speaker 1: in the future of the NHS.
42:27
Speaker 2: There isn't the future of the NHS, Absolutely no doubt
42:30
Speaker 2: about it. It will be hived off, privatized, and that's
42:34
Speaker 2: always been the intention, I'm sure over the last to
42:36
Speaker 2: three decades. You know, we saw the foundations of it
42:41
Speaker 2: in the in the sort of eighties and nineties with
42:44
Speaker 2: GP Fund holding there was a split between provider and
42:49
Speaker 2: service provider and purchaser. So it's all been set up
42:53
Speaker 2: in there over years that the NHS can effectively be
42:58
Speaker 2: hived out to the private sector, and that's where it
43:00
Speaker 2: will go. I don't think medicine is going to be
43:03
Speaker 2: recognizable in three four five years time. And firstly, as
43:07
Speaker 2: we said earlier about the government's demicidal approach to us,
43:13
Speaker 2: they don't want to give us health care. Why would they,
43:15
Speaker 2: and they have no intention of keeping us alive the MHRS,
43:19
Speaker 2: you fully know, is it just a complete joke. They
43:23
Speaker 2: have no interest in our health and therefore we're not
43:26
Speaker 2: going to be interested in making a functional health service system.
43:30
Speaker 2: I think in the future, as you say much surgery
43:34
Speaker 2: will be robotic. I think most medicine will probably shift out,
43:38
Speaker 2: shifted out to empty shops in the high street where
43:43
Speaker 2: you'll get to see somebody. I don't think it'll be
43:47
Speaker 2: fully qualified doctor if there are only left anyway, I
43:51
Speaker 2: don't know what you're going to be seeing, but it's
43:52
Speaker 2: certainly not going to be beneficial to us. I think
43:55
Speaker 2: certainly we're going to see more and more less qualified
43:59
Speaker 2: people doing more or skilled, supposedly skilled interventions. We already
44:05
Speaker 2: are seeing nurses doing quite extensive surgery on people we've got,
44:10
Speaker 2: as you've spoken in the past about doctors and the lights.
44:14
Speaker 2: So I think we're just going to have a system
44:16
Speaker 2: whereby we will be very minimally qualified people to who
44:22
Speaker 2: in the vast majority of healthcare will be shipped out to.
44:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've certainly observed that nurses in my day, I
44:33
Speaker 1: keep referring back to my day, but in my day
44:36
Speaker 1: we were trained observers. We were the observers, and doctors
44:41
Speaker 1: such as you were the prescribers. So if you think
44:45
Speaker 1: about it like a pharmacy, you've got the pharmacists to
44:49
Speaker 1: who will authorize the drug, and then you've got the
44:52
Speaker 1: dispenser who will hand the drug over to the person
44:56
Speaker 1: behind the counter. We're the dispenser, we dispense your instructions, right,
45:02
Speaker 1: That's that's how it's it always used to be. But
45:05
Speaker 1: today it seems that nurses are doing a junior doctor's job,
45:11
Speaker 1: like we're clerking in patients. For a start, doctors don't
45:15
Speaker 1: seem to clark patients in anymore. And by clarking I
45:18
Speaker 1: mean admission that I mean doctors sitting down with a
45:21
Speaker 1: patient when they've been admitted, talking to them for probably
45:24
Speaker 1: up to about an hour, an hour and a half,
45:27
Speaker 1: the past medical history, why they're there, what their expectations
45:31
Speaker 1: of their stay is going to be like, and generally,
45:34
Speaker 1: you know, telling them what what might be going on
45:36
Speaker 1: in the next couple of days.
45:37
Speaker 3: That doesn't happen.
45:39
Speaker 1: We've got nurses performing surgery such as Tavvy's, which is
45:43
Speaker 1: a highly risky cardiac cardiac surgical procedure. So you don't
45:48
Speaker 1: know who you're seeing in the NHS and to everybody
45:53
Speaker 1: that's watching, and I'm sure you're going to be very
45:57
Speaker 1: active on the forum after this, Roberts. People are going
46:00
Speaker 1: to have loads of questions, which I know that you're
46:02
Speaker 1: going to give some very good common sense answers to
46:06
Speaker 1: But in general, our audience are very switched on. They
46:09
Speaker 1: know what's going on.
46:11
Speaker 3: What can we all do?
46:13
Speaker 1: What can we do moving forward? Do you think what
46:17
Speaker 1: all of us together, with no squabbles, no arguments, despite
46:22
Speaker 1: what our opinions might be, how can we all move
46:26
Speaker 1: forward together?
46:28
Speaker 2: Do you think? I think half the problem is people
46:33
Speaker 2: are not active enough. I think people have really got
46:36
Speaker 2: to get on. I know MPs are useless, but I
46:40
Speaker 2: think you've just got a point. Fingers, rapid cages. There's
46:42
Speaker 2: many of us, there's only a few of them, and
46:45
Speaker 2: I think that's the only way and go forward. They
46:47
Speaker 2: really would like to see it start rioting. I have
46:50
Speaker 2: no doubt about that. So I think the first thing
46:52
Speaker 2: is that we mustn't allow anybody to become physically aggressive
46:58
Speaker 2: in dealing with what's going on, because that is exactly
47:00
Speaker 2: what they would like. I don't have an answer. I
47:04
Speaker 2: think if there was one, I think we'd all have
47:07
Speaker 2: it on the forum by now and say right, we're
47:09
Speaker 2: off to do this. And I think one's just got
47:11
Speaker 2: to be active. You've got to spend your time speaking
47:14
Speaker 2: to people, trying to explain to them what is going
47:17
Speaker 2: on in the world. And I think the good news
47:19
Speaker 2: is more and more people seem to be waking up
47:21
Speaker 2: that things aren't right. You know, even the postman I
47:26
Speaker 2: was speaking to yesterday, he realized that things weren't as
47:29
Speaker 2: this should be, and that then gives an intro that
47:32
Speaker 2: even then say, well, what do you think is going on?
47:34
Speaker 2: You know, why do you think we've got this situation going?
47:37
Speaker 2: So I think all we can do is spend a
47:38
Speaker 2: lot of the time trying to inform other people that
47:42
Speaker 2: are not aware of what's going on a bit by
47:45
Speaker 2: bit what is actually taking place. And as people wake up,
47:49
Speaker 2: they're not going to comply. So if people can wake
47:52
Speaker 2: up to what the risk of digital currencies, they're going
47:56
Speaker 2: to go back to using cash. If they could get
47:59
Speaker 2: rid of their mobile the smartphones, that would be the
48:02
Speaker 2: most brilliant thing, because all this would fall apart if
48:05
Speaker 2: nobody has a smartphone. I don't have one so and
48:09
Speaker 2: I can live without it. So I think it's just
48:12
Speaker 2: things like that. It's just informing people what do you
48:14
Speaker 2: think is going on, and what they can do about
48:17
Speaker 2: it is then tell other people. So I think if
48:19
Speaker 2: everybody eventually wakes up and particularly with things like there
48:23
Speaker 2: will be another scamdemic. I have no doubt at all.
48:26
Speaker 2: There's plenty of money to be made out of vaccinations
48:29
Speaker 2: or what they call vaccinations, not in my book, really,
48:33
Speaker 2: so we'll get more of that, and again it'll be
48:35
Speaker 2: more the sigh of trying to train us so we
48:38
Speaker 2: get used to being locked up and used to covering
48:40
Speaker 2: our faces and all the rest of it. So I'm
48:42
Speaker 2: sure we're in for more of that. And I think
48:45
Speaker 2: if people have woken up and are aware that what's
48:49
Speaker 2: coming is going to be another scandemic, they're not going
48:52
Speaker 2: to comply. And if the masses do not comply, then
48:56
Speaker 2: it all falls apart for them.
48:58
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that when we were
49:01
Speaker 1: talking before, I wrote it down, actually, and I just
49:06
Speaker 1: want you to elaborate on a little bit, because again
49:08
Speaker 1: we're going back to common sense. Because when I asked
49:11
Speaker 1: you why we divided and what we can do going forward,
49:17
Speaker 1: you said one of the reasons that we divided, beliefs
49:20
Speaker 1: aren't based on fact. And I thought that was a
49:24
Speaker 1: very interesting quote and it made me think, actually, yes,
49:29
Speaker 1: we've all got different beliefs, but just because we've got
49:34
Speaker 1: a belief it doesn't mean that that's based on fact,
49:38
Speaker 1: and that's what makes us all uniquely different. But can
49:44
Speaker 1: you just elaborate on that, because I thought it was
49:46
Speaker 1: a very poignant quote.
49:49
Speaker 2: To make the majority of people's beliefs. It's very difficult
49:54
Speaker 2: to prove what they think is actually correct. Much of
49:59
Speaker 2: the things I believed in life when I was much younger,
50:02
Speaker 2: I don't believe now because I can't. I've looked at
50:07
Speaker 2: those sort of things in the past. I used to
50:09
Speaker 2: believe in vaccinations many years ago, and I'm talking many
50:13
Speaker 2: many years ago. I woke up very rapidly about nineteen
50:18
Speaker 2: I think it's mid eighties or something when they came
50:20
Speaker 2: out with the MMR because I thought it was ridiculous
50:23
Speaker 2: because there you have a vaccine, a vaccination which contained
50:27
Speaker 2: three live viruses, and humans never contract three live viruses
50:32
Speaker 2: at the same time, so how on earth can your
50:34
Speaker 2: immune system deal with it? So that completely shook my
50:37
Speaker 2: belief in vaccination because I thought, this is ridiculous. So
50:42
Speaker 2: I think you have to revisit a lot of your beliefs,
50:44
Speaker 2: but you really can't prove most of them. It's very
50:46
Speaker 2: difficult to actually sit down and say, right, this is fact.
50:49
Speaker 2: Because there were very few real facts left in life
50:52
Speaker 2: that you can actually prove. I mean, I was told
50:55
Speaker 2: atoms where neutrons pos protons and electrons. Now we know
50:59
Speaker 2: there's both some bodies and anti nutrinos and all sorts
51:02
Speaker 2: of things. Do even the basic building blocks of life,
51:06
Speaker 2: I'm not understood. So yes, I suppose at the end
51:10
Speaker 2: of the day, I think most of our beliefs aren't
51:12
Speaker 2: based in fact.
51:14
Speaker 1: I think that's something that we can end today's Common
51:18
Speaker 1: Sense and Frank Speaking interview on. But before I hand
51:23
Speaker 1: to you for your last word, Robert, and my grateful thanks,
51:26
Speaker 1: And I do hope our UK column audience and members
51:30
Speaker 1: in particular have enjoyed meeting Denia, and I'm sure that
51:36
Speaker 1: you have. But is there anything that you just want
51:39
Speaker 1: to that we haven't covered, maybe that you feel that
51:42
Speaker 1: you want to talk about before we go to your
51:45
Speaker 1: last word?
51:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the thing that really concerns me most
51:50
Speaker 2: is people are not critical enough and will listen to
51:53
Speaker 2: people they shouldn't listen to. I mean, all the way
51:56
Speaker 2: through the CONVID people listen to likes of Valance and
52:02
Speaker 2: Witty and Ferguson, and it wasn't very It should have
52:06
Speaker 2: been in everybody's interest to go and looked up these
52:08
Speaker 2: characters to actually find out were they worth listening to?
52:12
Speaker 2: Back to the you know who said it? What did
52:14
Speaker 2: they say? I mean, if you look at Valance, I
52:17
Speaker 2: mean he was supposed to be the independent chief Scientific
52:20
Speaker 2: advisor to the government. Well, how independent are you if
52:24
Speaker 2: you happen to be working for Glacks from two thousand
52:27
Speaker 2: and three to two thousand and seventy, one of the
52:29
Speaker 2: world's biggest vaccine manufacturers, rise up to be c Ando
52:34
Speaker 2: CEO of it, and during his tenure ship, I mean
52:38
Speaker 2: he got what he didn't personally get, but the company
52:40
Speaker 2: was given six point five billion dollars in fines for
52:45
Speaker 2: everything from sort of bribing doctors to falsifying trial results.
52:51
Speaker 2: I mean, in two thousand and nine we had the
52:56
Speaker 2: the H one N one swine flu supposedly pandemic coming,
53:03
Speaker 2: and of course Blackso had a product called Ralenza which
53:07
Speaker 2: he was involved with, and I suppose I know in
53:12
Speaker 2: certain terms that the trial results which they said were
53:15
Speaker 2: very effective and it was going to save lives, were
53:18
Speaker 2: actually falsified. This came out over a two to three
53:21
Speaker 2: year period after freedom information requests by various people was
53:26
Speaker 2: published in the BMJ in I think twenty thirteen. So
53:32
Speaker 2: you know, you've got this character who's the chief independent
53:35
Speaker 2: scientific advisor and it's not a personally trust. And then
53:39
Speaker 2: you look at people who were they listening to for
53:41
Speaker 2: the forecast of all these terrible deaths, and you've got Ferguson.
53:45
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll just give a quick rundown of Ferguson's CV,
53:50
Speaker 2: if you like. In two thousand and two he said
53:53
Speaker 2: that BSc would cause one hundred and fifty thousand cases.
53:56
Speaker 2: Only one hundred and seventy seven occurred. Third flew in
54:00
Speaker 2: two thousand and five two hundred men in deaths worldwide,
54:03
Speaker 2: and I think seventy four died worldwide. Two thousand and nine,
54:07
Speaker 2: Swine flew sixty five thousand predicted deaths, four hundred and
54:11
Speaker 2: fifty seven died. ZEKA was going to be a three
54:14
Speaker 2: year outbreak when it was gone the following year, and
54:16
Speaker 2: COVID was going to kill five hundred thousand deaths. Of course,
54:20
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand deaths. I mean, why would you listen
54:23
Speaker 2: to any of these people? I mean it is just
54:25
Speaker 2: the same. I mean, he's a professor of physic was
54:28
Speaker 2: given by Gresham College, which God takes part of the
54:31
Speaker 2: Mercer's Company. That's not a great qualification in my book.
54:35
Speaker 2: You know, the City of London giving professors officorials things out,
54:41
Speaker 2: But there we go. People do listen, and that I
54:43
Speaker 2: cannot understand. People really have got to get much more critical.
54:47
Speaker 2: They have to look and say who's saying this and
54:49
Speaker 2: what are they saying. If they can do that, then
54:52
Speaker 2: we'll at least get somewhere and people won't be so
54:54
Speaker 2: easily miser.
54:56
Speaker 1: And that is why I love listening to you, and
54:59
Speaker 1: I love your post. And for people that want to
55:02
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55:04
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55:07
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55:10
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55:17
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55:47
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55:50
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55:53
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55:57
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56:00
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56:04
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56:07
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Debby. I think actually, rather than
56:11
Speaker 2: my last word, I mean, I'd like to actually use
56:14
Speaker 2: William Pitt, the elder who wrote this about three hundred
56:18
Speaker 2: years ago, and it's the following. There is one plain
56:24
Speaker 2: maxim which I am very be adhered to through life.
56:27
Speaker 2: In every question in which my liberty or my property
56:30
Speaker 2: were concerned, I should consult and be determined by the
56:34
Speaker 2: dictates of common sense. I confess, my lords that I
56:38
Speaker 2: am apt to distrust the refinements of learning, because I've
56:42
Speaker 2: seen the ablest and most learned men equally liable to
56:45
Speaker 2: deceive themselves and mislead others. The condition of human nature
56:50
Speaker 2: would be lamentable. Indeed, if nothing less than the greatest
56:54
Speaker 2: learning and talents, which fall to the share of so
56:58
Speaker 2: small a number of men, were sufficient to direct our
57:00
Speaker 2: judgment and our conduct. But Providence has taken better care
57:05
Speaker 2: of our happiness and given us in the simplicity of
57:07
Speaker 2: common sense, a rule for our direction, by which we
57:11
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