Latest / Salish Wolf / #89 Néthanel Hersent on Project Quiver

Transcript

#89 Néthanel Hersent on Project Quiver · Salish Wolf

• 0:00
  The official presale for our new book, Quiver, The Art of Life
• 0:03
  Through Bow Craft, runs from June 30th to July 13th.
• 0:06
  Published by Trope of Chicago, this 336 page coffee table book
• 0:11
  features more than 350 photographs and explores the
• 0:14
  legacy of primitive archery through the lives and work of 14
• 0:17
  of the world's finest traditional boggers.
• 0:20
  We're launching a special Founder's Edition available
• 0:22
  exclusively through Project quiver.com.
• 0:24
  Each copy includes A numbered book plate hand signed by Ella
• 0:28
  and me, and is available only during our limited presale.
• 0:31
  The Founder's Edition presale lasts only two weeks, from June
• 0:34
  30th to July 13th, exclusively at projectquiver.com.
• 0:39
  We'd be honored to have your support and to share this
• 0:41
  project with you. Welcome to Project Quiver, a
• 0:50
  father daughter journey across the globe to document the
• 0:52
  artistry and spirit of the world's finest traditional bow
• 0:55
  years. I'm Todd and Ella is my
• 0:57
  daughter. Together we've traveled to the
• 0:59
  workshops of master bow years, carving bows under their
• 1:02
  guidance, photographing their work in extraordinary detail and
• 1:05
  preserving the stories behind one of humanity's oldest crafts.
• 1:09
  The result is Quiver, the Art of Life Through Bow Craft, a
• 1:12
  photographic and narrative exploration of traditional bow
• 1:15
  carving. This podcast shares stories and
• 1:17
  experiences of the remarkable individuals who are carrying
• 1:20
  forward the enduring legacy of the bow and arrow.
• 1:23
  The book is Quiver. The journey is Project Quiver.
• 1:26
  Welcome to the Salish Wolf podcast.
• 1:31
  Welcome to the show. How do you pronounce your name?
• 1:35
  My name is Nita. Nita.
• 1:38
  Nita. Nice to meet you, Nita.
• 1:42
  And you? It's Todd.
• 1:43
  Todd Yeah, yeah. Where are you located?
• 1:46
  I'm located in in the Dardonia, France, France.
• 1:51
  Where in France is? Southwest, OK.
• 1:58
  And what's it like there? What?
• 2:04
  What Can you repeat this? Are you near the coast or?
• 2:09
  About two hours OK from the coast.
• 2:13
  Yeah. Is that where you are from?
• 2:18
  I'm I'm from, from Le Mans, if you know, 24 hours of Le Mans.
• 2:27
  Yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm from Le Mans, 4 hour of Rd.
• 2:36
  from my actual location. Great.
• 2:41
  Well thank you for doing this with me today.
• 2:43
  And I know you said English isn't, isn't your strongest
• 2:46
  language, so I sent you some questions in advance.
• 2:49
  So I'll try to stick to those questions, but if you have
• 2:52
  anything else that you want to add or any questions you want to
• 2:56
  ask for me, please feel free to do so.
• 2:59
  OK, OK, so we'll just start with some basic things that I sent
• 3:03
  you. So how did archery come into
• 3:06
  your life? So it's my dad showing me the
• 3:13
  first bow I made with my brother when I was kid.
• 3:19
  It was a simple bow with a tiny branch of Hazel.
• 3:27
  I think every kid in France make this bow.
• 3:32
  We've So I I make a note. Yes, I we use bowling twine for
• 3:42
  the string and this is a bow for kid.
• 3:48
  No efficient, very bad, but for five years old kid is nice.
• 3:57
  This is my first bow I made and and later my brother take a
• 4:06
  practice lesson of archery when he was about 10 years old.
• 4:16
  And he he was, he's left-handed. So I'm right-handed and my
• 4:25
  parents can buy only one boat and the boy is left-handed for
• 4:31
  my brother. So I don't even take listen out
• 4:37
  of archery in my life, but my brother make some listen.
• 4:45
  How old were you? I'm 21.
• 4:50
  And and then when when your parents probably.
• 4:53
  Your brother about 8. 8 OK. 8 years old, yeah.
• 5:02
  OK, what? And did you start practicing
• 5:05
  archery after that? Was it something that you did
• 5:08
  regularly? Not very regular but I I love
• 5:18
  shooting with with whatever with a bow gun.
• 5:28
  So my my brother keep this bow and and I play with this bow but
• 5:37
  not very very regularly and the the real bow I use is the bow I
• 5:50
  made. I don't have a big experience of
• 5:55
  archery initially, but because I never afford a real bow in my
• 6:04
  life. When did you make your first
• 6:06
  ball? When?
• 6:10
  Yes. I made my first bow about four
• 6:17
  years ago and it's pretty nice bow, but this is the first bow I
• 6:27
  made so this is pretty bad. What did you make?
• 6:33
  What kind of bar? I make a simple flat bow with a
• 6:42
  black locust with a handle a shelf because this is my first
• 6:51
  bow I made so I don't have any experience of of that.
• 6:56
  So I or you have make some research on the web and make
• 7:03
  this ball from nowhere but this ball work.
• 7:11
  Nice. And how did you carve it?
• 7:15
  Did you use, did you have a teacher?
• 7:17
  Did you use books? Did you use the Internet?
• 7:20
  So I use I use many, many source, but YouTube is my first
• 7:34
  source of inspiration and many bow wear on YouTube help me a
• 7:43
  lot for make my first bow Yeah and.
• 7:50
  Do you have any favorite on YouTube?
• 7:56
  No, yes. But my design is is really
• 8:00
  inspired by Clay Hayes because he make a very, very nice tutor
• 8:11
  on YouTube and it's look easy, easy.
• 8:19
  So that's YouTube. This YouTube helped me,
• 8:25
  influenced me a lot. And another Bowyer who made some
• 8:33
  video on YouTube. It's a dream dream craft bow.
• 8:38
  It's a Polish guy make a bow in the little workshop and this is
• 8:46
  this, this bow maker inspiring me by me bow with black locusts
• 8:54
  because I don't even know I can use black locust for MacBook.
• 9:02
  Do you have black locust scrawling near you?
• 9:05
  Yes, yes, I found a big source source of black locust in Dordon
• 9:15
  in my region. This is a region very, very
• 9:23
  woody and and we have a lot of black locusts and black locusts
• 9:35
  is considered by as invasive spices.
• 9:42
  Yes, in France so I use I use black locust because it's the
• 9:55
  wood more easy for me to found. And many, many buggers in your
• 10:03
  region use black locust and love it.
• 10:05
  Yes, yes, I know bad. It's a great bog wood.
• 10:13
  We don't have Osage. I never see an Osage here in
• 10:19
  France. I think I can found some Osage
• 10:26
  but it's really really rare. I don't know why, but because
• 10:31
  backloggers grow very well here and they, they are similar wood.
• 10:43
  And so I, I used to be, I really enjoy black locust, but I won't
• 11:00
  I won't work with Osage one time because he it look
• 11:07
  extraordinary. Well.
• 11:10
  Yeah, it's beautiful. Both.
• 11:12
  Both are great woods to work with.
• 11:14
  Natha, did I hear chickens in the background?
• 11:18
  I don't understand. Did I hear chickens?
• 11:21
  My no, no, you won't have to see my.
• 11:27
  I do but but I I thought I heard chickens.
• 11:29
  Do you have chickens near you? Chickens.
• 11:34
  Yes. Yes.
• 11:39
  Do you? Do you live on a farm?
• 11:43
  No, no, no. Yeah, I live in the in the
• 11:47
  house, but I have two chicken for the eggs.
• 11:53
  Nice. And it's a lot of work for two
• 11:58
  eggs. It is a lot of work, but they're
• 12:04
  fun to have around too. Are they friendly?
• 12:07
  What are they friendly? Can you pick them up?
• 12:10
  Are they friendly? Can you pick them up?
• 12:13
  And yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes.
• 12:16
  That's great. And in Utah I visited with Chuck
• 12:21
  Loffler, who was a great bow here, and he has a chicken that
• 12:26
  basically lives in his carving workshop and sits on his bows
• 12:30
  while he's carving them. It's really cute.
• 12:35
  Eyes. OK, so you work with black
• 12:39
  locusts, What other wood do you work with?
• 12:44
  I I also work with you. I found a big big tree two years
• 12:57
  ago and I have I have about 6 staves of you and I make 2 bows
• 13:12
  with an English inspired warbo and a flat bow with a black you
• 13:24
  wood. But this is not my favorite wood
• 13:29
  to work. It's really different for to
• 13:37
  work and the smell is bad. What is that?
• 13:43
  The dust. The dust.
• 13:46
  The dust is rarely toxic. Dust the dust is is bad and and
• 13:52
  I'm pretty allergic allergic what yes, I make some reaction
• 13:58
  under you. So I like this wood bow this
• 14:05
  wood because it's beautiful and and this is is the king of the
• 14:13
  board. So you started carting about
• 14:20
  four or five years ago, is that correct?
• 14:24
  And have you been carting full time?
• 14:28
  Do you carve as a business or is it a Javier action?
• 14:35
  This is a little business because I have.
• 14:41
  Luckily I have some order by customers and I make around 1
• 14:53
  bowl per mouth for the first time.
• 15:04
  I'm out of order now. Yeah, I work on the bow for
• 15:11
  three years every every month and today I'm out of order and I
• 15:18
  can breathe a little bit because it's a lot of work, a lot of
• 15:25
  stress for me because custom of the order are very delicate.
• 15:38
  I'm very hard with myself and I want to the I want the customer
• 15:44
  feel the work and the the sweat and the blood I make for making
• 15:53
  bows. I want the perfection every
• 15:58
  time. But in the bow making process
• 16:02
  it's impossible for me. But I'm very hard with myself
• 16:07
  and then I keep this mentality each bow for each bow.
• 16:17
  So now I can breathe a moment. OK take a moment for breathe
• 16:22
  because all my order are are made and all my customer are
• 16:29
  happy with their bow. That's great, yes.
• 16:34
  What is one of your biggest challenges to making a perfect
• 16:37
  bow? For me, it's to find the the
• 16:44
  good, the great design because each each stave is different.
• 16:54
  And initially I make I want I want to make a stand out with
• 17:01
  one one plan 1 profile and then make the same profile on all on
• 17:08
  all boa make. But in real it's it doesn't it
• 17:16
  doesn't work for me. So I have to adapt at each
• 17:21
  state, deepen to the growth swing, deepen to the to knock.
• 17:30
  I adapt my the same profile, but different, different length,
• 17:37
  different width and and for me, the the challenge is, is that is
• 17:44
  just I have a lot of problem with with deflex with set on my
• 17:52
  bone due to this profile. And it's better, better now.
• 18:00
  But I want to I want to to work more on my profile because I
• 18:13
  know I know some Boyer can make a perfect ball without a set.
• 18:26
  And when I make a bow with a tiny set less than one inch,
• 18:34
  it's lack of potential for me. So my best profile is recurve
• 18:44
  for me because set is compensate compensated by the the recovered
• 18:51
  limb and and this is for me the best profile for my symbol.
• 19:01
  And is there, do you have an inspiration for that particular
• 19:05
  design you're using or? Is it?
• 19:09
  Yes, my clay? Clay Hayes is my inspiration.
• 19:14
  Excellent inspiration. Yes, because on this process I
• 19:21
  use the same technique but I have it's a bad idea because he
• 19:28
  work some best of the time with Osage and Osage black locals
• 19:37
  don't react like Osage. So for Riku of my limb,
• 19:44
  initially I I tried to make with a heat gun and it doesn't work
• 19:50
  for me. I don't know if some Boyer maybe
• 19:56
  that work but me with me it gun doesn't work.
• 20:00
  I crack every bow in the curving process.
• 20:06
  So I use a steam steam I make. I have make a steam box for for
• 20:17
  make my diflex reflex bow and. And it worked pretty well.
• 20:26
  Yeah, yeah. So it seems somewhat respond
• 20:30
  better to dry heat and somewhat better to to wet heat.
• 20:35
  Yes, for the big curve, huge curve with a big, tiny radius,
• 20:43
  him is better with black Lucas and and I don't work with with
• 20:51
  you. I try with one bow he I want to
• 21:02
  make a Rico of you but at the time I bend the limb on the on
• 21:11
  the the jig he it started to crack.
• 21:17
  So I decided to make a simple flat bow and don't take risk
• 21:22
  with this tape. But I want to to retry to make a
• 21:28
  recurve in U with U bow. So right now, all of the bows
• 21:35
  that you make are recurve bows, no?
• 21:39
  Depend of the order I have, but for me it's the best design with
• 21:47
  my process. But some customer want a flat
• 21:54
  simple bow reflex deflects depend of the of the of the
• 22:02
  customer. But I think the bow I made the
• 22:08
  most is is a very curve I think. Other than black locust, do you
• 22:15
  have any other word that you use often?
• 22:21
  For a wood, a wood. Other than black locust, no.
• 22:28
  No, I I for the order I can make you or black Lucas because I
• 22:37
  work sometimes with ash, but I don't find ash recently and I
• 22:45
  don't have a good state for a customer.
• 22:50
  So I make one time two time Longbow in ash with ash.
• 23:00
  But black Lucas is for me the the simplest and the the bow I
• 23:09
  have the I usually use. So I have some references with
• 23:18
  this wood and the making process is better, faster and I'm pretty
• 23:31
  opportunist and if I have the opportunity of taking any any
• 23:41
  other wood, I can make a custom order with with all wood I
• 23:47
  found. And how did you start selling
• 23:54
  bowls? How did you get your first
• 23:56
  customer? OK.
• 23:59
  Initially this is it doesn't I don't want to make a business
• 24:07
  with that. I just make a ball, my first
• 24:13
  ball and take some video and I make Instagram account and just
• 24:23
  post on that about my first ball and the first ball is isn't
• 24:31
  really good and I don't like him.
• 24:35
  So I make another a second I I make this bow for my brother and
• 24:45
  my I also make a third bow. So I give, I give this bow 2 and
• 24:56
  a guy order me 3 bow just on Instagram and I make I have a
• 25:12
  real reaction. What what this guy want?
• 25:17
  I I think I'm a I'm a newbie, I'm a rookie bowler and a guy
• 25:25
  want to want three of my bow and I accepted the challenge and I
• 25:35
  sell, I sell 3 bow that my first order and it doesn't stop.
• 25:47
  I have one, one order per mouth since three years.
• 25:54
  So I make them because I like I like make bow making bow and the
• 26:03
  money is is supplement, But I I don't work for money initially,
• 26:12
  but it's it's here though, So I keep the order.
• 26:16
  So I take the order and it's it's the funniest thing I ever I
• 26:22
  ever make. This is this is a surprise for
• 26:29
  me. Like my work interests people,
• 26:36
  so I'm happy with that. That's great.
• 26:40
  And you name your business Raven Self?
• 26:42
  Pause. Where did that name come from?
• 26:46
  Yes, this is this is for me an obvious choice because the Raven
• 26:56
  is my totem totem animal. I can I I'm I closely identify
• 27:07
  with and spiritually I think bow and bird are similar.
• 27:18
  I don't know why, but as I I like the philosophy of the Raven
• 27:31
  the the the Raven is opportunistic.
• 27:37
  Bird. Passion and resilient bird I
• 27:46
  think is the exact qualities you need for making bows.
• 27:52
  Passion, passion and and resilience.
• 28:01
  So I love this animal and my logo is is look look like looks
• 28:10
  like a a winner Viking ring, but it's clearly a stilized Raven
• 28:19
  footprint. Yes.
• 28:23
  And I make a brand mark. This is homemade and I designed
• 28:38
  my logo to be easy easily to make this welding because it's
• 28:48
  pretty difficult. So I need a simple logo and I
• 28:51
  mark each each each bowl with with this brand mark.
• 28:59
  So this is a story of of Raven Sebbok.
• 29:04
  Very nice. What is your workshop like?
• 29:11
  We're in it. This is this is my garage and
• 29:19
  and he it's organised cow. I have a lot of things I make I
• 29:36
  have I have my stave yes drying here yeah for the the next year.
• 29:44
  I have some stave on the here yes, my tiring tree on the
• 29:52
  middle and all all this is is the rest.
• 29:57
  So I have I have all my tools for knife making because I make
• 30:04
  some knife you. Make knives, OK?
• 30:07
  Yes and and it doesn't have the place to make a car in my
• 30:15
  garage. No car maybe.
• 30:18
  Maybe a bike, but not the car. And I have my workbench full of
• 30:26
  full of cow. Yeah.
• 30:31
  So and I I have only 20 square meter so it's pretty tiny
• 30:38
  workshop. Yeah, for knife making, are you
• 30:41
  making the blades or the handles or both?
• 30:47
  I make all so this is this is a knife I work this is wow.
• 30:58
  This is my new design. It's.
• 31:01
  Beautiful. I want to I want to to make a
• 31:07
  batch of this knife with a different different style, but
• 31:14
  on with this profile, this form. How do you?
• 31:19
  How do you porch the metal? Well, I work the metal.
• 31:29
  This one is it's simply a cut. I cut the I, I lay out with the
• 31:42
  with the back stand. I make the heat treatment and
• 31:49
  and I make the the wood. This is a ball wood.
• 31:51
  Black locust here Bernice. Yes, yeah, I use, I use the
• 31:58
  waste wood of bow making process.
• 32:04
  So I make knife when I don't have order for bow.
• 32:09
  How long have you been making knives?
• 32:13
  How long have you been making the knives?
• 32:17
  I make knives since 2 year years ago, yes, but I'm I, I have
• 32:34
  difficulties to sell it. I don't make some some come on
• 32:49
  here. I'd I don't make I'd with
• 32:58
  because I work with Instagram and Instagram shadow ban every
• 33:09
  account who who show a knife for hunting tools.
• 33:15
  Really yes, I don't know in France is is that so I it's it's
• 33:25
  the reason why I make a second account of Instagram it's
• 33:30
  because I don't want to be shadow banned for showing this
• 33:38
  is this is not really a weapon, but Instagram Instagram consider
• 33:45
  knife like a weapon yes. Huh, so your first your bow
• 33:51
  account is Raven dot self Bose. What is your knife account?
• 33:55
  What? Your bow account is Raven dot
• 33:58
  self Bose on Instagram. What is your knife?
• 34:02
  Raven Sebbo. What is your knife?
• 34:04
  The Bose page and and yes for knife is the Forge of Raven
• 34:10
  Sebbo. It's it's Fort.
• 34:16
  Sorry, say it again. Forge.
• 34:18
  Wait, the Forge of Raven self bow?
• 34:22
  There it is, that forage of Raven self bow.
• 34:24
  OK, I'm. Just going to do I make, I have
• 34:28
  a little stuff. I don't make a knife really
• 34:33
  often, but this year, this summer I decided to make this
• 34:40
  activity grow bigger. All right, cool, those are
• 34:46
  beautiful. And Axe, you make some accent.
• 34:48
  Axes, yes, yes, I make some axes, but this is a commercial
• 34:54
  axis that I customize. OK, I have some.
• 35:02
  I just I just make the the rock rock design and I reprofile the
• 35:14
  handle and and I make some some burnish or or color and I sell
• 35:25
  them and people like axes and I love throwing axes.
• 35:34
  So this is this is the reason I makes axe.
• 35:40
  So many manly things. You're making all these
• 35:43
  masculine tools. It's great.
• 35:46
  Yes. That's awesome.
• 35:49
  What are the tools that you use most for bulk array?
• 35:55
  This is this is my favorite things about making boobs it
• 36:03
  because it doesn't need a huge equipment.
• 36:08
  You can make a bow with the with the simple tools and I like to
• 36:17
  use axis and and axis the saw every everyone I will have a saw
• 36:32
  and for my first bow. The challenge is I don't need to
• 36:38
  buy tools for making bow. I want to make a thing that's
• 36:45
  cheapest possible. So I use my my draw knife, draw
• 36:55
  knife and the card scrapper. So I have only only I have I
• 37:05
  bury a rasp two years ago this famous rasp every everyone.
• 37:16
  The Shinto rasp, yes. Yes, the very game changer for
• 37:23
  Honda. Calvin I I really love this one.
• 37:29
  This is not commercialized in France.
• 37:34
  Nobody used that's in France. This is not the reference tool
• 37:40
  for make that in France you can found the simple rasp, but it's
• 37:46
  pretty bad on wood and they work not well.
• 37:52
  So my favorite tools it is a car scrapper because don't you can
• 38:05
  use all all tools to hung out the bow you for the tiling
• 38:14
  tiling process you need the card scrapper.
• 38:18
  This is the best thing. This is a simple tools I ever
• 38:21
  seen. I don't even know these tools
• 38:24
  before starting bow. I starting bow making and this
• 38:30
  is this is my favorite tool. This is simple and everyone
• 38:38
  everyone can make these tools with with a metal plate and I
• 38:50
  love using that When you have the the technique to make the
• 38:56
  sharpness, this is a great tool it.
• 39:00
  Is. And you work very well.
• 39:04
  Yes. And then you make a notice on
• 39:06
  your Instagram, a lot of your bows, you put design work on the
• 39:10
  handles. It's not just shaped handle, you
• 39:13
  also put in texture and various designs on some of yours,
• 39:17
  correct? I don't really understand.
• 39:23
  Sorry, no, it's OK some of your handles have a lot of detail.
• 39:28
  Yes, yes, So initially I use I use a Dremel, the Dremel for
• 39:38
  make the tiny hole. It's an inspired by gun stock.
• 39:47
  This is a grip you can use, you can found on the gun but I don't
• 39:55
  want to make the the same thing. On the gun stock, this is this
• 40:06
  is very tiny and difficult to make.
• 40:10
  And I think this hole are pretty well for maker grip and on the
• 40:18
  first boat I met that this is my boat.
• 40:27
  This look like it's it's look like is very the whole are very
• 40:36
  tiny and it's pretty natural and people like like that and I like
• 40:46
  the feeling and. That's beautiful.
• 40:51
  Do you put any other details into your bows such as like horn
• 40:56
  knocks or? The details is the most
• 41:03
  Alderwood is my overlay with the Buffalo horn.
• 41:11
  Yes, beautiful is that. The first, the first I made is
• 41:20
  this one. OK, it's pretty big, big.
• 41:24
  And now it's thinner. Yes.
• 41:29
  Is it normally Buffalo horn that you use or do you use other
• 41:32
  overlays? Now it's a Buffalo horn.
• 41:38
  It's pretty easy to found in France in the in the pet pet
• 41:48
  shop in because it's accessible for me.
• 41:56
  So I can I can buy a horn you follow and it's pretty easy.
• 42:03
  I I use antler horn, but I this is different I it's beautiful,
• 42:15
  but I don't like the feel this look like the stone.
• 42:24
  It's pretty hard and the horn Buffalo is soft and I think it's
• 42:33
  better and with the wood is better for the shock so I have
• 42:43
  many order for that. This is an option I make.
• 42:48
  Do you put aero passes on all your bows?
• 42:51
  Yes. No, not on all, but for the
• 42:55
  hunting bows they are often. Do you hunt?
• 43:05
  No, no, I don't hunt. I never, never hunt.
• 43:11
  But in France this is legal, I think.
• 43:15
  Yes bow hunt is legal in France and it is a rare rare country in
• 43:23
  Europe and you you can hunt with the boat.
• 43:27
  So this is a change chance for me and I have half of my order
• 43:35
  is for make a hunting bows so this is pretty cool for me.
• 43:42
  So you might try it, you think? I like to try one time but I
• 43:49
  need the lessons and it is it is many difficult but I want to try
• 43:57
  one time because because I I I like hunt and this is this is a
• 44:11
  thing I respect and I don't know if I can kill an animal with a
• 44:20
  bow, but this is for me the the best way for hunt to hunting.
• 44:29
  This is respectful and I don't like the the way the hunt is
• 44:40
  making France. But this is a regulation and I
• 44:46
  don't like. So I I'm not a hunter in France,
• 44:49
  but the bow hunting is different.
• 44:54
  And you, this is a this is a hunt I want to try, Yes.
• 45:03
  It's great. Yeah.
• 45:04
  I've never tried either and I'm I want to, I think, although I'm
• 45:08
  not sure if I can kill an animal, but I would like to try,
• 45:13
  yeah. Yes, this is it.
• 45:17
  How does Bo carving change your life Netsa.
• 45:25
  It's both. This is very recent for me, 4
• 45:34
  years and I never expected that. So for me it's a really good
• 45:44
  thing because it helped me a lot to work on myself and I really
• 45:53
  need to have a skill in my life. I want to, I want to have a
• 46:05
  process. Nobody can take me.
• 46:08
  And the things I love with bow making is I can make a bow
• 46:15
  everywhere with a simple tool. And this is a thing nobody can
• 46:25
  take me. I lost my job two time and I
• 46:34
  need refuge. And Bomi King is very for me.
• 46:42
  It's it's like a therapy. I can, I can express myself and
• 46:53
  challenge myself in other ways than at work.
• 46:58
  And it's very good thing come to my life.
• 47:05
  Beautiful. Thank you for sharing that.
• 47:09
  Are you hoping to get busier with your bow carving or are you
• 47:13
  happy with one bowl a month for your customers?
• 47:20
  It's, it's a little bit buzzy because it's a, a, a little
• 47:30
  stress to have a constant order. You always have that in mind.
• 47:37
  And this is a thing I really take for my and and I want to my
• 47:50
  customer are pretty happy with the the bow I made.
• 47:54
  So this is stressful for me. So I, I, I like, I like have to
• 48:03
  have a little break to make other things.
• 48:08
  Yeah. Do you ever communicate or
• 48:12
  collaborate with any other barriers?
• 48:16
  Yes Sir. So Instagram community is great
• 48:22
  and I love the the fact that when I have when I need an
• 48:30
  advice, they they are always a guy who can who can help me.
• 48:42
  So recently I designed a new profile of reflex Deflex bow and
• 48:55
  my brother Stephen Stephen Bieber from provision long bow
• 49:02
  helped me a lot. I sent him some some plan and I
• 49:12
  know the these ball are insane. So I want to I want to make ball
• 49:21
  like him, but I know I can. He has he have a process,
• 49:29
  incredible process and he make incredible ball and it's he
• 49:36
  inspired me a lot for deflex reflex and and I really love
• 49:46
  this work and inspire me a lot. Do you have a dog there with
• 49:51
  you? And that's AI hear a dog.
• 49:53
  Yes. Beautiful.
• 50:02
  It's too hot for. I can.
• 50:04
  I can hear a lot of pantsing. How often are you?
• 50:10
  How often do you do archery? I shoot with bow at each other
• 50:20
  at each order, but I never shoot with mine.
• 50:28
  I don't have the time to to cool down and take my bow.
• 50:35
  This is very rare, rare moment. So the most of the time I shoot
• 50:41
  with the customer bow for the for the the testing yes yeah.
• 50:48
  And this is never the same and it's pretty difficult, but I
• 50:54
  need to, to be more consistent and the work because I, I, I
• 51:03
  have to improve myself and the shooting because I'm, I feel
• 51:09
  bad. If you want to, if you want to
• 51:12
  hunt with a bow, yeah, you need a lot of.
• 51:14
  Practice. Yes, yes, I need, I need to make
• 51:18
  another bow because this one I'll show you is my
• 51:24
  demonstration bow. People come in my workshop and
• 51:30
  test this bow, but this bow is not made for everyone and it's
• 51:38
  you have some issues. So I need to make an another and
• 51:43
  if one time I I go to hunt I need to have a better bow and I
• 51:51
  need to make the the beautiful bow I ever made.
• 52:00
  Nice. Well, thank you for talking to
• 52:03
  me. I appreciate it.
• 52:04
  Do you have any questions for me or anything else that you want
• 52:07
  to have? I don't have a question, but I
• 52:13
  want to Congrats you for your book.
• 52:18
  Thank you. And I see your work and I maybe
• 52:23
  order one and it's pretty it's pretty amazing that the people
• 52:30
  like you reference and and keep the knowledge of many, many
• 52:39
  Boyer on Instagram, because we are we have many knowledge and
• 52:47
  and we need to keep that and the better ways to to write a book
• 52:55
  and make videos now. So thank you for make for make
• 53:00
  this content. It's been an absolute pleasure.
• 53:03
  I feel very honored to have been able to do it alongside my
• 53:06
  daughter. And the book is beautiful.
• 53:08
  I don't think anyone is going to be disappointed.
• 53:10
  And it's it's absolutely gorgeous.
• 53:13
  Yes, I really want to have one. Great, thank you.
• 53:17
  And where can people learn more about you?
• 53:21
  Give us your Instagrams again. And if you have a website or
• 53:23
  other social media? I I work on a website but this
• 53:31
  this website come will come in one or two mouth I don't know
• 53:38
  but it is really really new for me.
• 53:43
  I never have a website but people asked me and and I I will
• 53:52
  had the heat shop for a knife and so I can make all my
• 54:00
  creation all my my stuff on on the website and the for this
• 54:09
  time the better way is to contact me with Instagram is my
• 54:15
  first social media for bow making and the this is the best.
• 54:20
  I'm also on TikTok but I don't really like TikTok and I'm not
• 54:27
  often on but Instagram is the best way to contact me.
• 54:32
  And for your knives, it's the for the forge, your Raven self
• 54:36
  pose. And for your bows, it's Raven
• 54:39
  self pose. Yes and and the Saguna account
• 54:44
  will disappear soon. I think I I will only make some
• 54:52
  stories with the stuff when it come on the e-book E shop Well.
• 54:59
  So when I make a batch of knife I make on the I take a little
• 55:06
  video, make a story and and customer can afford directly on
• 55:13
  the on the website. OK.
• 55:17
  All right. Well, thank you, Neta.
• 55:20
  Really appreciate you taking the time today.
• 55:21
  It's really nice to get to know you.
• 55:23
  Thanks for sharing your story and your journey.
• 55:26
  This is the first time I. Speak.
• 55:30
  You did great. Well, this is difficult for me
• 55:34
  because of course I don't speak English.
• 55:38
  I I only write on my Instagram, but I never speak English.
• 55:44
  Never. So it is.
• 55:47
  You did great. You did great.
• 55:49
  Thank you. Thank you.
• 55:51
  And have a great day. Nice.
• 55:54
  Yeah, Thank you. You too.
• 56:02
  Thanks for listening to Project Quiver on Salish Wolf.
• 56:05
  Follow our journey on Instagram and YouTube at Project Quiver
• 56:08
  Official as we discover the world's most extraordinary
• 56:10
  traditional bowyers and join our newsletter at projectquiver.com.
• 56:15
  Quiver, the art of life through Bow Craft, Our photographic and
• 56:18
  narrative exploration of traditional bow carving
• 56:20
  published by Trope, will be available in fall 2026.
• 56:24
  We are honored to share with you the beauty, tradition, and magic
• 56:28
  of the bow and arrow. The book is Quiver.
• 56:31
  The journey is Project Quiver. This is the Salish Wolf podcast.