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SICK PARENTS FORCE GIRL, 6, TO LIE IN DOG CAGE, ZIP-TIE, TORTURE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Pennsylvania parents have just been booked.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, I don't even think they deserve to
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  Speaker 1: be called mom and dad or mother and father. Those
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  Speaker 1: are special words, right. Think about your mother and your
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  Speaker 1: father if you're at all like me. My mother and
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  Speaker 1: father sacrificed everything for me, my brother and sister. My
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  Speaker 1: dad worked night shifts, traveled. My mom will be gone
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  Speaker 1: to work by the time I got up at a
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  Speaker 1: quarter of seven, with breakfast all laid out for my
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  Speaker 1: brother and sister and myself. We wouldn't see her again
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  Speaker 1: until six or seven o'clock at night. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: was all for us. These Pennsylvania parents have just been
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  Speaker 1: booked for locking their six year old little girl. This
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  Speaker 1: tastes like dirt in my mouth. Six year old in
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  Speaker 1: a dog cage and keeping her there, sometimes naked, making
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  Speaker 1: her eat dog food at best, sometimes her own feces
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  Speaker 1: and urine, beating her zip tying her a six year
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  Speaker 1: old little girl. I was thinking of John David and Lucy,
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  Speaker 1: my little babies. Of course, John David is six '
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  Speaker 1: five now, and I watched Lucy in a chorus performance
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  Speaker 1: last night Front Metal Amazing, But I remember when they
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  Speaker 1: were six years old. So precious, so sweet. This little
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  Speaker 1: girl has been locked in a dog cage, and even
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  Speaker 1: a large dog cage, it's still too small for a
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  Speaker 1: child to fit in and stay zip tied, beaten, starved,
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  Speaker 1: and forced to eat her own thess and urine. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: there's no death penalty for parents like these. I often
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  Speaker 1: ask why, But frankly, that's a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: waste of time. I learned the hard way in court
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  Speaker 1: after prosecuting felonies for many, many years. Why does it matter?
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious
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  Speaker 1: XM one eleven. You know when I would argue a
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  Speaker 1: case like this to a jury, or present it to
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  Speaker 1: them in opening statement, very often they would shut their
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  Speaker 1: eyes flint to the side, and I would have to
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  Speaker 1: get them right back, looking right at the facts and
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  Speaker 1: not turning away. Why. Because the moment we turn away,
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  Speaker 1: we let it happen again. Sick Pennsylvania parents busted for
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  Speaker 1: locking their six year old little girl in a dog
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  Speaker 1: cage and a house of horrors. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: Sydney Sumner crime online dot Com.
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  Speaker 3: When his six year old daughter becomes unresponsive. Jacob Waite
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  Speaker 3: calls nine one one. He tells dispatch one of his
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  Speaker 3: older children was giving his six year old bath when
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  Speaker 3: she went limp and suffered some type of seizure. First
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  Speaker 3: responders arrive at the house and are met at the
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  Speaker 3: door by Jacob Waite. He refuses to let ems in
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  Speaker 3: the house. Instead, he gets the girl and brings her
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  Speaker 3: outside where she can be seen.
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  Speaker 1: Uh uh no, Anne, Oh, why are you bringing a
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  Speaker 1: response a child outside? Why aren't you in the home
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  Speaker 1: performing CPR, trying to help the child? Well, you don't
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  Speaker 1: want EMTs to go in the house. Why why don't
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  Speaker 1: you want EMTs to come in your house? Joining me
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  Speaker 1: in all star panel to make sense of what we
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  Speaker 1: know right now, but first to investigate. A reporter for
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  Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Tribune Review. You can find him at TribLive
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  Speaker 1: dot com. It's Joseph Knapschut. Joseph, thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. Now. I want to pretend we're on the
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  Speaker 1: floor of a nursery and we're building a tall tower
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  Speaker 1: of blocks. But right now we're building from the bottom
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  Speaker 1: of the building. Blocks start at the beginning. The EMTs
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  Speaker 1: get there, What were they told on the nine to
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  Speaker 1: one one call.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they were told that that the little girl is
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  Speaker 4: with unresponsive. The crazy thing is that when they allowed
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  Speaker 4: at the door, the EMTs and with the file company,
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  Speaker 4: and the father said, you can't come in now, I
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  Speaker 4: have to dress my daughter and who was unresponsive, And apparently,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he dressed the girl so that the bruises
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  Speaker 4: on her body were not visible, easily visible.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say, okay, stop wait Joseph Napsha joining me from
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  Speaker 1: triplive dot com. See, I didn't know you were going
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  Speaker 1: to say that. And isn't it true? Frand Longwell joining me,
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  Speaker 1: former felony prosecutor of Calvert County, Maryland. Isn't it true?
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  Speaker 1: Frand Longwell? You should never ask the question that you
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  Speaker 1: don't know the answer to. Isn't that true?
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  Speaker 5: Oh? Absolutely?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? Every time I have broken that rule, it blew
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  Speaker 1: up in my face. But Joseph Napsha, I'm glad I
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  Speaker 1: asked the question because you just told me something I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know. So I thought when the EMTs showed up
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  Speaker 1: that he was stading there with the daughter. But you're
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  Speaker 1: telling me he said, well, no, no, no, no, don't come.
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  Speaker 1: And I got to go dress my daughter. So she's
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  Speaker 1: responsive and he's worried she's not dressed right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, maybe she had. She was up in the bathroom,
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  Speaker 4: in the bathtub, in the dirty bathroom, according to a
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  Speaker 4: criminal complaint, So I don't know if she was entirely
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  Speaker 4: naked at.
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  Speaker 1: That point, but that's what he told the EMTs.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, right, that I have to dress my daughter first.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask a question. Doctor Angela Arnold, in
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  Speaker 1: addition to Frand Longwell and Joseph Naps are joining me.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Angie, as I call her as doctor Angela Arnold,
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  Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrist. She's got so many lines after her name
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  Speaker 1: it would take the whole show to tell you all
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  Speaker 1: of her expertise. But you can find her at Angela
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  Speaker 1: Arnold MD dot com. Doctor Angie, You know what I
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  Speaker 1: remember when when I thought I was miscarrying and we
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  Speaker 1: were away from home and I took an emergency ride
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  Speaker 1: to where was Jackson Hospital. I had a one eyed
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  Speaker 1: ambulance driver named Elvis, and he was awesome. We flew
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  Speaker 1: to the hospital and the nurses and the doctors came
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  Speaker 1: in the room and they went, hold on, we'll let
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  Speaker 1: you undress, and they started to leave. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: could be losing the twins. I'll strip right now. You
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  Speaker 1: know who cared I needed to save the babies, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: So when is there a time for modesty? Your child
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  Speaker 1: is unresponsive and you say, oh no, no to the
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  Speaker 1: empty I gotta go put her clothes on. What that's
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  Speaker 1: bs And that's a lie.
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  Speaker 5: That's a huge red flag delaying access to the child? Absolutely?
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  Speaker 1: Is that friend? Longwell, this is Paula Roady. Oh, it's
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  Speaker 1: Paula ROADI guys, Paula Roady, who's so rudely interrupted doctor
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  Speaker 1: Angie Arnold. But Angie's probably going to give some kind
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  Speaker 1: of a mental defect defense to the mom and dad.
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  Speaker 1: Paula Roadi's with me. Child Abuse Welfare consultant former CPS
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  Speaker 1: Chold Protective Services in Orange County about three million people.
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  Speaker 1: Never a lot of abusing children there. But that said,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Angie, that's a lie. I'm not even close to
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  Speaker 1: where this happened in Brown's little Pa, but I can
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  Speaker 1: smell a lie from here.
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  Speaker 6: What do you mean a lie? Nancy?
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  Speaker 1: What's a lie? The girl is upstairs, unresponds him. According
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  Speaker 1: to the father, but he won't let EMTs in because
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  Speaker 1: he wants to dress her first. That's a lie.
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  Speaker 6: Oh sure, And I wonder don't you also wonder if
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  Speaker 6: you wanted to clean up the house a little bit too.
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  Speaker 6: He's just buying himself some time.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, when your child could be dying and they're unresponsive.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Paula Roady joining me, have you ever heard
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  Speaker 1: that before? Sorry, Joseph Napshaw. I know we got a
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  Speaker 1: lot to talk about, but right at the open you
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  Speaker 1: shot the gun and I'm out at the gate. I
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  Speaker 1: already smell a lie, Paula Roady.
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  Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, it's an absolute lie. And it's it's it's
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  Speaker 5: a red flag. It's delaying access. It's probably been part
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  Speaker 5: of their mo if they've had any other type of
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  Speaker 5: agency officials at the door to you know, check on
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  Speaker 5: any you know, complaints or allegations, and it's just you know,
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  Speaker 5: one of their one of their castics.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Brian Pierrat joining me at a Newcastle, same
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  Speaker 1: jurisdiction there in Pennsylvania. Former law enforcement Pennsylvania private detective,
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  Speaker 1: owner of Puerod Detective Agency at Puerodetective Agency dot com. Brian,
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  Speaker 1: you're so much of a better person than me, because
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  Speaker 1: if I were the cop on this case or the
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  Speaker 1: e MT, I would run through that door to get
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  Speaker 1: that girl, but first I would totally punch the dad
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  Speaker 1: right in the mouth. I mean, just dead on for
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  Speaker 1: even saying, wait, she could be dying, but let me
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  Speaker 1: go dress her.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know he's out there waving basically, he's in
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  Speaker 2: the front order waving red flags with that statement.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I'm totally stealing that. In the front
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  Speaker 1: yard waving red flags. Yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the thing I mean, I'm in the custody
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  Speaker 2: realm almost every day and a lot of times, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the abuse comes to light. And that's the thing that
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  Speaker 2: bothers me the most is there's there's always red flags.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there was warning signs with this, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's warning signs with almost all of them. And our
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  Speaker 2: system is we're not Our system isn't doing the children
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  Speaker 2: any justice in the state. We're missing the warning signs.
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  Speaker 2: We have to find out the weaknesses and figure out
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  Speaker 2: what's going on, figure out why we're missing these warning signs.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa whoa, whoa hold on, Brian, Brian Pierrog everything you
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  Speaker 1: just said is absolutely correct, But can I deal with
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  Speaker 1: this case before I deal with a systemic problem in Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not just Pennsylvania, it's every state. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: paul A ROADI. I know this is such a big,
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  Speaker 1: huge issue, but I'm going to limit you to one question. Yes. No,
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  Speaker 1: isn't this a problem in every state?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. So the dad says his
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  Speaker 1: daughter is in responsive. That can mean dead, dying, It
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  Speaker 1: could mean anything. It could mean an epileptic seizure. She
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  Speaker 1: could have had a stroke, although that's probably unlikely in
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  Speaker 1: such a small child, but it could happen. Anything could
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  Speaker 1: be happened. It's seconds count. But dad won't let them.
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  Speaker 1: And gee, I wonder why listen.
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  Speaker 3: When troopers entered the home of Jacob Waite and Mimi Frost,
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  Speaker 3: they found it in deplorable condition. There were five other children,
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  Speaker 3: along with animals found in the house. It was determined
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  Speaker 3: that the six year old girl seemed to be the
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  Speaker 3: target of the abuse. While the home was overrun with trash, flies, feces,
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  Speaker 3: and urine, the five other children and dogs were all
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  Speaker 3: well fed and not abused.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, I need to hear that again.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hear Sidney Summer clime online one more time.
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  Speaker 3: When troopers entered the home of Jacob Waite and Mimi Frost,
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  Speaker 3: they found it in deplorable condition. There were five other
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  Speaker 3: children along with animals found in the house. It was
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  Speaker 3: determined that the six year old girl seemed to be
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  Speaker 3: the target of the abuse. While the home was overrun
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  Speaker 3: with trash, flies, feces, and urine, the five other children
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  Speaker 3: and dogs were all well fed and not abused.
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  Speaker 1: Now I know why they didn't want the EMTs and
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  Speaker 1: the troopers in the house. Thank you Lord for them
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  Speaker 1: going in the house anyway. You know, doctor Angie, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna tell you a story I've never told you. Guess what,
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  Speaker 1: I do have a few mysteries left in me. I
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  Speaker 1: was prosecuting a murder case that the murder of KERLOI.
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  Speaker 1: I was still in law school. But it got reversed
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  Speaker 1: all the way up to the Eleventh Circuit Court of
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  Speaker 1: Appeals on the door of the US Supreme Court sent
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  Speaker 1: back down for a retrial in severance of the two
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  Speaker 1: defendants that said, I was putting the case back together again,
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  Speaker 1: and I latched on to the victim's now adult sister.
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  Speaker 1: Big family. I think there were eight siblings, a mom
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  Speaker 1: and a dad. Come to find out she would always
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  Speaker 1: sit separate from the rest of the family in trial.
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  Speaker 1: She's really brilliant, beautiful, likable, helpful, caring, and I did
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  Speaker 1: notice that in retrospect. Guess why, because she, out of
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  Speaker 1: the whole family, was abused. She was the only one
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  Speaker 1: that was abused. And I would put my life on
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  Speaker 1: the fact that she was in fact abused, sex abused
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  Speaker 1: and is treated. That's the first time I knew about
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  Speaker 1: it that I didn't analyze it. Doctor Angees trying cases
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  Speaker 1: fast and furious. I didn't think that through. But it's true.
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  Speaker 1: I've handled so many cases prosecuted, investigated, covered where one
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  Speaker 1: child is singled out and that child is horribly abused, and.
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  Speaker 6: Nancy there is There are so many cases of this
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  Speaker 6: that it actually has a name. And the name for
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  Speaker 6: this is the Cinderella phenomenon and the Cinderella There are
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  Speaker 6: so so much research has been done about this that
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  Speaker 6: this has been given a name. And it involves, oftentimes
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  Speaker 6: the redirection of anger that an abusive parent feels towards
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  Speaker 6: someone else, but they target it on a child, and
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  Speaker 6: the horrible thing is sometimes the targeted child can remind
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  Speaker 6: the abusive parent of someone. Sometimes the abuser has a
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  Speaker 6: history of abuse themselves, and oftentimes there is absolutely no
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  Speaker 6: logical explanation.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what did you say about somebody having a history
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  Speaker 1: of abuse themselves?
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes the abuser has a history of abuse themselves. I
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  Speaker 6: don't care, Okay, I know, I know. I just want
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  Speaker 6: to know.
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  Speaker 1: I sound harsh and I'm sure I will be attacked
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  Speaker 1: on Facebook and Twitter and blah blah blah when you
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  Speaker 1: have an innocent six year old girl who is forced
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  Speaker 1: to eat her own thesis. You know what I said
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  Speaker 1: to the children before they went to school this morning,
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  Speaker 1: I said, I'm certainly not the greatest parent. I try
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  Speaker 1: to be there. I said, you want me to make
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  Speaker 1: you a homemade Irish shepherd pie tonight? Or do you
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  Speaker 1: want me to make you a spaghetti bake with cheese
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  Speaker 1: on top? And I was so happy because they were
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  Speaker 1: going back and forth. Well, I like both of them,
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  Speaker 1: and I was so happy that I was going to
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  Speaker 1: be able to make something for them that they would like. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and here they're making this so eight thece's anci.
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  Speaker 6: I want to point something else out. Also, I don't
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  Speaker 6: believe that we can say that the other children.
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  Speaker 5: Were not abused when.
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  Speaker 6: They were still living in this house of horrors.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, you might be right, but can I
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  Speaker 1: at least address the little girl that was zip tied
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  Speaker 1: in the dog cage? Can I just get that far?
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Angie? Thank you. Take a listen to Nicole parton
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  Speaker 1: Crime Online.
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  Speaker 8: Police and first responders are taken aback by the conditions
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  Speaker 8: at the home where Jacob Waite and Mimi Frost are
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  Speaker 8: raising their children. Trash is scattered about, feces is smeared
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  Speaker 8: on the ground, and the smell of urine is very strong.
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  Speaker 8: The six year old girl they have been called to
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  Speaker 8: treat is covered in open sores, and KDKA reports she
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  Speaker 8: has extensive bruises and appears malnourished.
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Napsha joining me from Pittsburgh Shibby in Review to
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  Speaker 1: explain to me what they found.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they found, as the report said, nanty, that the
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  Speaker 4: house was in terrible condition. Of these fecis in the bathroom,
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  Speaker 4: the little girl, there was secs in the cage. The
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  Speaker 4: criminal complaint is I let It does not say she
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  Speaker 4: ate the seces, but that she was definitely hungry, hungry
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  Speaker 4: and was not getting enough food and was escaping the
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  Speaker 4: cage in essence to try to get food.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I believe that the child was forced to eat faces,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm getting that from a sibling and a child.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut six. This is Dave
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  Speaker 1: mac Crime Online.
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  Speaker 9: During the investigation, Waite and Frost, teenage nephew who lived
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  Speaker 9: with them, describes how the young girl's mother would zip
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  Speaker 9: tie her hands and feet, lock her naked in a cage,
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  Speaker 9: and refuse to wash her. Frost would also starve the
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  Speaker 9: little girl, not feeding her for days at a time.
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  Speaker 9: The floor under the cage was rotting from feces and
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  Speaker 9: urine that was never cleaned. WTAE reports that a five
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  Speaker 9: year old child was interviewed and asked if anyone helped
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  Speaker 9: the girl clean up her poo and pee. The child responded,
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  Speaker 9: they want her to eat it.
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  Speaker 1: Paula Rody, child abuse welfare consultant and expert formerly with
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  Speaker 1: Child Protective Services, Orange County. Paula Roady just when I say,
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  Speaker 1: well I've seen it all, I find out I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen it all by far. I mean abuse can be
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  Speaker 1: a filthy home, that can be child abuse on its own,
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  Speaker 1: with no other circumstances. Where there is feces on the floor,
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  Speaker 1: a heavy smell of urine, trash everywhere, but making the
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  Speaker 1: child eat feces, making the child eat her own poop
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  Speaker 1: and urine.
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  Speaker 5: It's pretty clear case that it goes much or there
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  Speaker 5: beyond abuse neglect to you know, pure torture, the you know,
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  Speaker 5: intentional infliction of all this pain and suffering on this
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  Speaker 5: child for you know, dehumanization purposes. It's just it just
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  Speaker 5: shocks the mind. But what's very interesting is that the
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  Speaker 5: brother of mister Waite, Thomas Waite, I believed the father's name,
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  Speaker 5: said that the children had been removed in the past
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  Speaker 5: and returned to the parents. And I think that is
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  Speaker 5: going to answer some questions because obviously there was some
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  Speaker 5: type of history there and for them to be removed,
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  Speaker 5: which is the most drastic intervention that you can take
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  Speaker 5: as child protective services, and then to return the children
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  Speaker 5: of children return home. There is monitoring going on from
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  Speaker 5: anywhere from six to eighteen months, so you know where
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  Speaker 5: were child protective services in this case. And we have
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  Speaker 5: even the landlord who said he knew that child, that
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  Speaker 5: little girl was the black sheep, so he in his
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  Speaker 5: observations identified that child was being targeted.
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  Speaker 1: And another thaying to Paula Roady's joining us, you can
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  Speaker 1: find her at Paula Roady Consulting. It's not like it
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  Speaker 1: was a secret. Footage from inside this real life House
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  Speaker 1: of Horrors shows the black dog crate in the living
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  Speaker 1: room front and center. It's right there for everybody to
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: walk by and see. So it's not like they were
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: keeping her off in a locked room. They had her
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: right out in the open, naked, eating her own feces
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: and urine in the living room. Paula, I mean that
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: tells me they were acting with complete impunity. They were
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: not afraid of getting caught. Absolutely, they were used to
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: bullying and tormenting these little children.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, but they were I don't want to call them smart,
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: but intentional enough to keep this little child hidden from
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: protective adults like pediatricians, dentists. She had not been in years,
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: six years old, no schooling, So they were intentionally as
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: much as I agree with you one ndred percent intentionally
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: afflicting all this abuse and torment, they were also trying
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: to keep her hidden from protective adults.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely, Well it doesn't end there way. Do you
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: hear what happens when the little girl gets to the hospital.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Now this is by the EMTs. The parents certainly didn't
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: take her. Listen to Rachel Bania Crime Online.
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  Speaker 10: Once the six year old girl is at the hospital,
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: the full extent of her injury is apparent. According to
• 22:01
  Speaker 10: a medical report obtained by the Observer reporter, her teeth
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: are broken and rotted and her feet are swollen. When
• 22:08
  Speaker 10: she arrives at Uniontown Hospital, she is found to be hypothermic,
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: with a body temperature registering at only eighty eight point
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: seven degrees fahrenheit.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace, doctor Angie Arnold's psychiatrist and
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: medical doctor. What does that mean when your body's at
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: eighty eight point seven degrees fahrenheit, Well.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: What it means is you're practically dead. Your body and
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: your organs are shutting down, Nancy, because you are so
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: very cold. All of her organs were shutting down.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Why does low body temperature equal your organs shutting down.
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: Well, because they're trying to maintain their they're trying to
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: maintain their heat. It's a medical emergency, you know.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: But why does hypothermia and why do your organs shut
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: down just because you're cold? Why do they need the heat.
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: For your blood to flow normally.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, so your heart needs the heat for your blood
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: to flow and for the heart to keep coming. I
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: still don't understand why. I know it to be true
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: that people die of hypothermia, but I don't understand the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: nexus between cold weather and your organs shutting down. Why
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: do your organs have to be warm in order to work?
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: All of our organs need to be in homeostasis.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: If your body temperature is dangerously low, your brain and
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: your body cannot function properly, and hypothermia themia can then
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: lead to cardiac arrest. Everything in our body needs to
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: be at homeostasis.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: So I have a child with her teeth broken out,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: living in a dog cage in the living room and
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: nobody does a thing. Brian Pirog joining me from this
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: jurisdiction Pennsylvania, now running his own detective agency, period detective agency.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Did you hear what it was? Either fran Longwell, Paula
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Rodi or Joseph Napshe told me that the other children
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: had been removed and put back in the home by
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: CPS Chop Protective Services. They knew there was a problem.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Why did why I have to have a little girl
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: whose tip is eighty eight degrees with her teeth knocked out,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: eating dog crap. Why why did they put these children back?
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: It's absolutely terrible what happened to this little girl. And
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: you know, we talk about the red flag when when
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: ems arrived, but there was warning signs before and I mean,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: this is a perfect example. So somebody needs to look
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: into this. Why were those kids giving back, why were
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: they taken to begin with? Let's investigate this, let's try
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: to prevent this from happening again.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: We are learning more. Doctor Angie mentioned something called the
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Cinderella phenomena, where one child is picked on by the parents,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: but apparently in this case, the other children were encouraged
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: to join in. Take a listen as Sidney Sumner Crime Online.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Faett County District Attorney Mike Abbel says this is the
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: worst case of child abuse he has ever seen. But
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Abel said there is also some evidence that some of
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: the other children may have participated in the abuse of
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: the girl. The children in the house range in age
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: from five to seventeen, and Abel says some of the
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: children could face charges. Abbel tells WTAE it seems as
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: if the other children were raised with the notion that
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: this girl deserved it. Police are still trying to figure
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: out what led the parents to abuse the one girl
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: in such an extreme way and not any other children
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: in the home.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Fran Longwell joining me, veteran trial lawyer, former prosecutor. Fran Yes,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I am let me not baffled, not confused. I'm shocked
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: at the phenomena of the other siblings joining in the abuse.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: But it's happened before, where the other children joining the
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: abuse at the behest of the parents. They're the master manipulators.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: And these children, they are children too. They're going to
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: go the rest of their life remembering they abused their sister,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: or they did nothing while their sister was dying.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: You know, I'd like to just speak to that, because
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: what other siblings learn is that empathetic behavior towards the
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: six year olds sister, towards that targeted child is not
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: a safe option, and they're deprived of normal model of parenting,
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: and those parents coerce the other children into adopting the
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: same view or a similar view of the targeted child.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: And these type of emphasy deficits excuse me that developing
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: siblings is unfortunately can be very common with especially with
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: severely scapegoated children.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Paul Roady, your expertise as an employee child protective services,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: an abuse investigator, now you're own consulting firm. Have you
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: ever seen this before?
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's not completely uncommon whatsoever. And again it's
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: because you have this, you know, completely abnormal model of parenting,
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: and it's not safe for you know, if one of
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: the siblings was trying to, let's say, maybe get her
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: some food, maybe get her some clothing, that child is
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: going to be targeted as well and abused as well
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: for helping out. Who the parents have, you know, determined
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: is the you know, the problem in the family. So
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: it's not a safe option. And in order to even
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: you know, process and live in this house of ors,
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: they have to just continue to detach more and more.
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at a picture, doctor Angela Arnold, and it's
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: of the crime scene. It's the living room. The front door,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: which is filthy, I might add, opens directly into the
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: living room, and it looks like they've got the sofa
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: like a pit grouping with instead of a coffee table.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: They've got the dog cage and it's not that big
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: of a dog cage, I might add, is right in
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the middle of the floor, like that's their entertainment, watching
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the child starving in the cage and beating her and
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: in the picture. And this is with police taking the picture.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I can only imagine what it would be like without
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: the police looking. There's one, two, three, four, five, six.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I think I see seven dogs. One looks like a pitbull.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I think I see a Rottweiler. I mean, that's where
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the girl is living. The dogs are running around her
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: in the dog cage, and she's in the middle of
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: the pit group like she's the entertainment.
• 29:22
  Speaker 11: Well, you know what else I think.
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: I don't think she's just the entertainment. I think that
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: she is the way that the parents are keeping all
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: of the other ones under control. They see how scared
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: this little girl is and how abuse she is, and
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: that's keeping everybody else quiet because we haven't heard anything
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: about any of these other kids trying to sneak out
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: and report any of this that's going on because they're
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: scared to death.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're not even embarrassed, Angie. They don't even
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: have her in a different room. You walk in the
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: up front door and there she is. Naked in a cage,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: eating dog poop. Right, And another thing I learned by
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: looking at the reports is that her body was covered
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: in open sores and she was believed to be septic. Now,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: sepsis is life threatening. You die, yes, when you get
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: sepsis very often because you explain what this means, open sores,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: living in dog, you'reine in feces and your own urine
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: in FECs, and you're getting sepsis.
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: Well, Sepsis is a blood infection. So I can only imagine,
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: I mean Nancy, I imagine there were fleas and ticks
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: in the house also, and so she could have she
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: could have open open wounds from scratching herself from flea
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: and tick infestation.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: What is sepsis?
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: Sepsus is when a bacteria gets into your blood and
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: it's a medical emergency and you better be put on
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: some ivy antibiotics for that.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And at a certain point IV's won't work anymore. Well,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: at a certain point, you, Joseph Napsha, I need to
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: hear more facts. It's the nephew tails cops that Frost
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: and that would be the mother, Mimi Ann Frost would
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: zip tie the child's hands and feet and refused to
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: wash her. Another child said they wouldn't make the six
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: year old eat her own waist, feces and urine thoughts.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Is that correct?
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: The mother definitely zippad the girl's hands and legs so
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: that she could not get out of the cage because
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: she to the parents I guess I've discussed was escaping
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: her prison and walking around the house. In addition, manton
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: it Shay wasn't a complaint that the parents had screwed
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: tight the bathroom door because they didn't want the dogs to,
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: you know, mess up as.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: You could expect the bathroom.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: So I mean that even the kids did not have
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: access for the bath field.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: You're hearing Joseph Knapshaw from Pittsburgh Tribute and Review. But
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: there's more. Take a list at Endicole Parton.
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: Troopers conducted interviews with several of the children in the
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: home and learned the little girl held in the dog
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: crate was also beaten multiple times. According to the criminal complaint,
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: the victim told therapists that she slept every night in
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: the dog cage and ate dog food. She told the
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: therapist that Waite beat her and shot her in the
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: legs with a BB gun. The parents are also accused
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: of beating her with a broom handle when she had accidents,
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: and more.
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: According to the criminal complaint, the nephew of Jacob William
• 32:41
  Speaker 9: Waite and Mimi Frost tells investigators that Frost put the
• 32:44
  Speaker 9: girl in the dog kennel naked and left her there overnight. Also,
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: when the family left the house, Frost would zip tie
• 32:51
  Speaker 9: the girl's hands and feet together and locked the kennel.
• 32:54
  Speaker 9: The team told state police that Frost would not feed
• 32:57
  Speaker 9: that little girl for days at a time.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, paul A Roady joining me, former CPS in Orange County, California,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: what do you think.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Oh gosh, I think that there were absolutely, you know,
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: red flags going on that were perhaps well missed.
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: I think I would find it hard to believe that
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: the children, if they were attending outside school, that they
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: were going to school clean, well nourished, not looking disheveled
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: on a day to day basis.
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: We know that this child was the targeted victim was
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: kept from protective adults, no dentist, no no pediatrician, no schooling.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: Even the landlord, who now I'm shocked that he allowed
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: the condition of that home to be as it was
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: he you know, knew that this was a targeted child,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: So you know, there was definitely red flags out there.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: And even though we have this one child tortured, all
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: those children were subjected to abuse just in the deplorable
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: conditions they were forced to live in.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: You know, to you Brian Piurogs joining me, former law
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: enforcement there in Pennsylvania now running peer Og Detective Agency. Brian,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: there were eight dogs and two cats running wild in
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: there in what the LA Law Enforcement described as they
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: quote mad house. If you look at the dogs, they're
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: all well taken care of, they're fed, not one of
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: them look hungry. But they were starving and beating and
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: knocking the teeth out of this little girl.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's disgusting. And you're right. I saw the pictures
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: and the dogs do look healthy. They actually looked happy.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I mean in the environment that they were in, they're
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: getting treated better than the kids were. And I think
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: that's the most disgusting part. I mean, this hurts the
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: whole community, It hurts the neighborhood.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I just can't believe. Let it happen. The children have
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: been taken away before and put back in the home.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Why, Well, I don't know. We need to find out
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: why they were taken. We need to find out why
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: they were put back. There has to be you know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: your guests already said that. I mean, it has to
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: be a drastic reason for Distilion to removed from the home.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: So let's let's find out why. Let's find out why
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: we missed this. Let's prevent the next one.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: And you know what ran long well. I volunteer to
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: go try this case. And one of the first things
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell the jury is, as he's being
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: led to the police cruiser, the father I hate even
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: calling that because he doesn't deserve it. He didn't go
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: quick to take me. Do whatever you need to just
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: get my daughter to the er, save her life, please.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Instead he's saying, I'm innocent, that's it. I never liked
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: my daughter in a cage. That's what he had to say.
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that was totally disgusting. But you know, I think
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: it's a little peculiar that for some reason an older
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: sibly decided to give her a bath that day, and
• 36:07
  Speaker 11: then her body temperature.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Is so low.
• 36:10
  Speaker 11: Isn't it possible that she basically was already in a
• 36:14
  Speaker 11: coma almost because of her body temperature and they were
• 36:17
  Speaker 11: putting her in the bathtub to try to heat up
• 36:19
  Speaker 11: her body. I had a case where a little girl
• 36:22
  Speaker 11: died and they were heating her body up with a
• 36:24
  Speaker 11: hair dryer before they took her in because they didn't
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: want someone to know she had died already.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if that's why they were trying to clean her up, Yeah,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: because they thought she was already dead. Joseph Napsha joining
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: US Pittsburgh Tribute and Review. Where does the case stand
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: right now? What's happening?
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: They have a pimliary preliminary hearing in court next week
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: at the local Magistrates office, in which is you know,
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Nancy Vale'll be able to the state will present some
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: evidence to find a facial case against the couple, and
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: you know, very likely would be held for trial in
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: the Fay County Court. So they are in jail, you know,
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: awaiting this hearing and the children, as I understand, we're
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: taking any improtective custody.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: You know, I was researching the case last night, Joseph,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: and I read where the couple had just been rained,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: and I thought it said and we're being denied food.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I think that that was just wishful thinking. It was
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: they were denied bond. I'm just trying to figure out
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: how soon is a jury going to put a noose
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: around the next of these two. Well, we'll see. We
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: wait as justice and faults. Goodbye friend,