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Speaker 1: He's the Bolt Report.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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Speaker 2: James Macpherson coming up on the show tonight. If Victorian
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Speaker 2: Liberal leader John Persuito was already a man on borrowed time,
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Speaker 2: it seems that time is running out even faster after
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Speaker 2: the decision to block more redeemings. Return to the party room.
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Speaker 2: We'll have a full analysis for you shortly. Labor is
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Speaker 2: standing by its nuclear scare campaign, but health experts are
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Speaker 2: furious at the lies and false claims about cancer, strokes.
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Speaker 3: And heart attacks.
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Speaker 2: A major airport has backtracked on its decision not to
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Speaker 2: feature a Manora in its Christmas display this year. But
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Speaker 2: why did they think cowtowing to the left would be
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Speaker 2: a good idea in the first place. And an anti
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Speaker 2: Kios Starmer Christmas song has topped the charts in the UK,
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Speaker 2: but the BBC is refusing to play. We'll find out
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Speaker 2: why a little later.
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Speaker 3: Well, here we are.
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Speaker 2: It's December twenty and we have our Christmas turkey. The
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Speaker 2: Victorian Liberal leader John Persuto, and I use the word
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Speaker 2: leader in the loosest possible sense, used his casting vote
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Speaker 2: this morning to keep more redeeming.
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Speaker 3: Out of the Liberal party room. What a fool.
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Speaker 2: He could have embraced the spirit of Christmas and welcomed
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Speaker 2: her back to the table, but that would have required humility,
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Speaker 2: and the man who would be premier seems to have
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Speaker 2: none of that, which should disqualify him from ever being premier.
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Speaker 2: Let's recap the saga for those of you up the back.
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Speaker 2: John Persuto defeigned More Redeeming as a Nazi sympathizer because
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Speaker 2: he was embarrassed about her stance against trans ideology. Can't
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Speaker 2: have a woman defending women's rights? What will the woke say?
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Speaker 2: And besides, what is a woman? PERSUITO sure knew what
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Speaker 2: a Nazi was, though, and so we had More Redeeming
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Speaker 2: expelled from the Liberal party room for being a Nazi sympathizer.
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Speaker 2: He put together an entire dossier of lies in a
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Speaker 2: bid to prove the point.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: More Redeeming didn't take too kindly to the accusation, mainly
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Speaker 2: because she wasn't one.
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Speaker 4: Could spend a traumatic two years and I just couldn't
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Speaker 4: help but think, you know, this has just been a
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Speaker 4: sham expulsion, a sham termination. It's done so much damage
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Speaker 4: and for what it was, obviously all not true.
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Speaker 2: Well, She offered to settle the matter out of court,
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Speaker 2: but John Pursuito refused. He figured more redeeming would just
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Speaker 2: go away. See, he really doesn't know what a woman
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Speaker 2: is more redeeming a rare Victorian liberal, and that she
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Speaker 2: has principles and isn't prepared to sell them.
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Speaker 3: Took John Pursuito to court.
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Speaker 2: Well, the judge found that Persuto's claims about Deeming were
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Speaker 2: a bigger joke than the Victorian budget. And as everyone
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Speaker 2: in Victoria knows, that's saying something.
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Speaker 4: This judgment is a public acknowledgment that there was never
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Speaker 4: any justification legal, moral, or political for what was done
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Speaker 4: to me and to my family. This should not have
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Speaker 4: come to this. I should not have had to go
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Speaker 4: to court. This could have all been avoided. I don't
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Speaker 4: understand the decisions that were made that led to this outcome.
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Speaker 4: I had no other way to defend myself than to
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Speaker 4: have these things retracted. I was never the aggressor. All
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Speaker 4: I did was defend myself. Apparently all I did wrong
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Speaker 4: was refused to defame innocent women without any evidence. But
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Speaker 4: I would have thought that's the right thing to do,
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Speaker 4: you know. I refuse to give up my principles and
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Speaker 4: my advocacy for child safeguarding, and I would have thought
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Speaker 4: that's the right.
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Speaker 1: Thing to do.
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Speaker 2: Now, was at that moment that a man would have
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Speaker 2: conceded the point, A man would have admitted he was wrong,
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Speaker 2: A man would have said, sorry, but what's a man?
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Speaker 2: I don't think the Liberal leader knows the answer to
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Speaker 2: that one either. Pursuito, whose stature as an alternate leader
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Speaker 2: can only be described and understood in terms of trankflation,
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Speaker 2: chose to stand and boast about what a fighter he was.
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Speaker 5: I do wish to emphasize, though, for all Victorians, that
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Speaker 5: I've always been a fighter, and I've always been a
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Speaker 5: fighter for the right reasons and for the right people,
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Speaker 5: the Victorian people, and that's why I will continue in
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Speaker 5: this role.
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Speaker 3: It was a curious boast.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he was a fighter, alright, A dirty fighter
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Speaker 2: who picked a fight with a woman only to succeed
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Speaker 2: in giving himself two black eyes. Who would seriously want
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Speaker 2: that man in their corner? Well, as it turns out,
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Speaker 2: the suicidally stupid, unprincipled and gutless Victorian Liberal Party that's who.
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Speaker 2: But Hey, it's Christmas, a time of year when peace
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Speaker 2: and goodwill floods the land, a season in which even
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Speaker 2: the most dysfunctional families come together in the spirit of
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Speaker 2: Christianity and love and forgiveness. But in proof the Victorian
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Speaker 2: Liberals are so stupid they didn't even know what time
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Speaker 2: of year it is. They've chosen Christmas to crucify more
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Speaker 2: redeeming and all over again. They voted to keep her
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Speaker 2: out of the party room, with John Pursuito casting the
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Speaker 2: deciding vote when the ballot was tied, which means he
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Speaker 2: voted twice to keep her in exile.
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Speaker 3: Ho Ho ho.
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Speaker 2: Pursudo reminds me of King Herod on that first Christmas, who,
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Speaker 2: in a mindless, violent rage, sought to kill every rival
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Speaker 2: to his throne, only to ensure the demise of his own.
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Speaker 2: Imagine if Pursudo had woken up this morning as a man.
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Speaker 2: Imagine if he'd been man enough to front the party
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Speaker 2: room and insists that Deeming should be welcomed back and
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Speaker 2: given the shadow women's ministry portfolio. That would have been
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Speaker 2: a show of strength and could have salvaged his leadership.
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Speaker 3: But maneuvering to keep.
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Speaker 2: Her on the outer after everything that's happened, well, that's
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Speaker 2: weaker than a half strength decaf made from skim milk.
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Speaker 2: And the Victorian Liberals are delusional if they think anyone
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Speaker 2: is going to be swallowing that, not a wise man
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Speaker 2: amongst them. Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott tweeted a shameful
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Speaker 2: result from the Victorian Liberal party room. How can someone
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Speaker 2: elected as a liberal be expelled on the basis of
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Speaker 2: a lie and not be readmitted once the truth is
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Speaker 2: there for all to see, especially right before Christmas, the
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Speaker 2: season of goodwill. This is truly contemptible failure to act
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Speaker 2: with honor and decency. And He's right. Deeming was accused, bullied, defamed,
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Speaker 2: and banished, and then she proved in a court of
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Speaker 2: law that the entire thing was belogney. And yet, knowing
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Speaker 2: full well that Deeming was expelled from the party room
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Speaker 2: on the basis of a lie, the Victorian Liberals voted
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Speaker 2: to uphold the expulsion. On that first Christmas, Mary found
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Speaker 2: no room at the Bethlehem Inn, and this Christmas found
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Speaker 2: no room at the Liberal party room. You know, there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of things in life that are difficult to understand,
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Speaker 2: but I'm telling you this, the virgin birth is easy
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Speaker 2: to understand. The Victorian Liberals Maury Deeming released a statement
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Speaker 2: today saying quote, I was elected a Liberal and I
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Speaker 2: remain a proud Liberal member, and I know that with
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Speaker 2: their continuing support, I'll get the apology that's owed to me,
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Speaker 2: and that it's only a matter of time before I
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Speaker 2: return to the party room. Well, John Persuto, who's not
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Speaker 2: the messiah, he's just a very naughty boy, insisted today
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Speaker 2: the entire matter was over.
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Speaker 5: This concludes the matter of the membership. Ratherwise at the
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Speaker 5: parliamentary party. No, I think the matter has been bookended
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Speaker 5: today and today marks the bookend to this discussion.
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Speaker 3: Delusional.
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Speaker 2: The fact that he had to say three times that
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Speaker 2: the entire matter was over is proof that the entire matter.
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Speaker 3: Is far from over.
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Speaker 2: Well, joining me is Sky News Victorian political correspondent Simon
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Speaker 2: Loves Simon, were you surprised by the result today?
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Speaker 6: Look a little bit of surprised about the fact that
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Speaker 6: it was deadlocked. I was expecting it to be close.
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Speaker 6: I wasn't expecting John Paschita to have to come in
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Speaker 6: and use his casting vote, and that really set the
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Speaker 6: cap among the pigeons, and that was probably the source
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Speaker 6: of the white hot anger among MPs. Today, because a
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Speaker 6: deadlock vote means division completely within the Victorian Liberal party
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Speaker 6: room over this issue, and John Pursuita can't escape the
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Speaker 6: fact that half of his party room disagreed with him
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Speaker 6: on the instance of whether More Redeeming should be back
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Speaker 6: in the party room. So if they disagree with him
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Speaker 6: on that issue, how much more do they disagree on
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Speaker 6: and how tenable is his leadership?
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Speaker 3: Hardly?
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Speaker 2: So the vote was locked at fourteen each, and then
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Speaker 2: John Pursuito, having already voted presumably against More Redeeming, the
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Speaker 2: secret then got to vote a second time to decide
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Speaker 2: the matter.
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Speaker 6: He did, and so it's my understanding, speaking of sources,
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Speaker 6: that he got up after the secretary read out the
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Speaker 6: fourteen all vote. He then said that he would try
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Speaker 6: and contact or at least try and represent the views
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Speaker 6: of two Liberal MPs that were away, Syney McLeish Nick McGowan.
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Speaker 3: Doesn't he have a massive conflict of interest here? Well, well,
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Speaker 3: he's already voted.
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Speaker 6: This is the right point, like he's already had one say,
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Speaker 6: and now he's saying, I'm using my casting vote to
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Speaker 6: vote the way that Sydney McLeish might have because I'm
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Speaker 6: confident she would have voted against it.
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Speaker 3: How do you know that.
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Speaker 6: I mean, she's in Northern Finland at the moment. Nick
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Speaker 6: Magowan somewhere halfway between here and Timbuck too. He probably
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Speaker 6: didn't want to be here for this sort of drama.
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Speaker 6: And this is what liberal MP's don't want to be
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Speaker 6: focused on. They want to be focused on attacking the
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Speaker 6: Allen Labor government. And you know it's been quite a
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Speaker 6: week where they've had to reshuffle themselves, and you know
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Speaker 6: they're simply looking inwards and talking about themselves.
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Speaker 2: Well, John Persuto's leadership is now somewhere between here and
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Speaker 2: Tim bucktoo.
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Speaker 3: Does he survive the summer? I think he.
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Speaker 6: Survives the Christmas period. I think the MPs will go away.
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Speaker 6: They'll have a think about this in the new year.
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Speaker 6: Today it was purely about moradeeming there was an opportunity though.
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Speaker 6: All twenty eight or thirty MP's were in the room
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Speaker 6: and they could have called a leadership spill. After a
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Speaker 6: John Pursudo cast of the deciding vote, I think he
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Speaker 6: just had everyone's hands in their mouths going, wow, you
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Speaker 6: actually did that. None of them just thought it beyond
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Speaker 6: themselves to go the extra step and test John pursudo's leadership.
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Speaker 6: It's tenuous speaking like speaking of the number of MPs
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Speaker 6: and generally James, as you know, they do this off camera.
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Speaker 6: They don't want to stick their necks out too much,
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Speaker 6: but they will say it's only a matter of time
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Speaker 6: before they look at rolling his leadership. So his grip
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Speaker 6: on the leadership is just absolutely tenuous at the moment.
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Speaker 3: What's the future for more redeeming.
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Speaker 6: She will continue to fight for women's space rights. She
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Speaker 6: will continue to sit in the Upper House of Victorian Parliament.
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Speaker 6: She may even vote against the Liberals as we've seen
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Speaker 6: on a number of issues, and she probably won't stop
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Speaker 6: in trying to force her colleague. Not force, maybe just
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Speaker 6: encourage her colleagues to bring up the issue of her
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Speaker 6: admittments into the party room. The other thing too, James,
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Speaker 6: she's still a Liberal member, so she branch meetings. You
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Speaker 6: can still go to State Council and have a say there.
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Speaker 6: And the membership, the base is white hot with anger
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Speaker 6: over this because they're the ones, the volunteers, the blue
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Speaker 6: army that John Burgitto needs on the booths try and
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Speaker 6: win vital state by elections like Paran and wear Ab
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Speaker 6: which is coming up and if they're disenfranchised, then that's
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Speaker 6: a big issue that John Pherney's leadership have.
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Speaker 2: It's been said to me that the Labor Party is
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Speaker 2: so bad even a dead dog could beat the Victorian
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Speaker 2: Labor Party. But what if the Liberal Party are worse
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Speaker 2: than a dead dog.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think you could almost argue the same thing
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Speaker 6: for both boat sides.
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Speaker 3: The pox on both houses at.
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Speaker 6: The moment, and I mean the Labor government is purely
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Speaker 6: getting by on the fact that it's two years to
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Speaker 6: a state election. The Liberals are up in the polls
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Speaker 6: at the moment, but wait till you see the next
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Speaker 6: hole after this whole affair. It's funny some say to
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Speaker 6: me that a lot of voters don't care the more
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Speaker 6: redeeming issue. They care about whether she should be in
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Speaker 6: or out of the party. But it's more an integrity piece, right,
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Speaker 6: It's more about John Pascudo as a leader. Would he
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Speaker 6: treat issues of integrity or issues like this as premier
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Speaker 6: if he was to be elected? And that's the sort
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Speaker 6: of image you're projecting. When there's a chaotic sort of
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Speaker 6: day that we've seen up Spring Street today. I mean,
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Speaker 6: it's an absolute mess, and that's how MPs will be
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Speaker 6: going into Christmas thinking how do you resolve this?
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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, it's not just about more redeeming.
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Speaker 2: It's about judgment, it's about humility, it's about leadership, it's
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Speaker 2: about already those things integrity. Indeed, Simon Love, thanks for
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Speaker 2: your time.
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Speaker 3: Good to have you, Melvin jay Well.
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Speaker 2: Labour's nuclear scare campaign is going down like a lead balloon.
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Speaker 2: Claims by a Melbourne doctor, who I should point out
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Speaker 2: is also a former Greens candidate claims that nuclear energy
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Speaker 2: will cause cancer, strokes and heart attacks have been slammed
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Speaker 2: by actual nuclear experts. But despite admitting this yesterday, one
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Speaker 2: of the.
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Speaker 7: Reasons nuclear is so expensive is because the regulations to
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Speaker 7: make it safe have to be so exhaustive.
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Speaker 2: Today Chris Bowen was furiously backpedaling.
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Speaker 7: We're happy to engage in a debate thing about nuclear
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Speaker 7: and safety.
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Speaker 8: Years.
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Speaker 7: The way you make nuclear safer is by spending hundreds
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Speaker 7: of millions of dollars on each reactor to make it safer.
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Speaker 7: It's part of the debate, as I said, Sam, and look,
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Speaker 7: some countries use nuclear.
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Speaker 8: In fact, around the world.
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Speaker 7: Twenty seven the amount of renewable investment is twenty seven
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Speaker 7: times bigger than the amount of nuclear investment.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is.
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Speaker 2: Liberal MP Garth, Hamilton Garth. This scare campaign. Voters see
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Speaker 2: straight through it, don't they.
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Speaker 8: They absolutely do, and they can see through Chris Bowen
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Speaker 8: right there he says he's happy to engage in a debate.
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Speaker 8: This is the party that when they wanted to engage
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Speaker 8: in nuclid debate, they had pictures of three eyed fish,
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Speaker 8: all sorts of ridiculous statements. This most recent campaign they're running,
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Speaker 8: as you point out with a former Green's candidate, he's
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Speaker 8: not based on facts. It's trying to scare people. Now,
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Speaker 8: if you want to have a genuine conversation about nuclear safety,
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Speaker 8: we can absolutely have it. But the facts are there's
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Speaker 8: heaps of countries around the world, thirty two country around
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Speaker 8: the world already using this. If there was a genuine
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Speaker 8: fear amongst the community, we'd be hearing it. What there
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Speaker 8: is is real interest in this, and Chris Bowen is
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Speaker 8: just not speaking to it at all. He's trying to
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Speaker 8: drive this fear campaign. I think it's falling flat. No
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Speaker 8: one seems to be really picking up on what he's
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Speaker 8: throwing down.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you look at Chris Bowen's social media
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Speaker 2: or Tanya Plibosex social media. Whenever they post anything about
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Speaker 2: the evils of nuclear they just get smashed in the
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Speaker 2: comments because no one believes anything they say, and they've
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Speaker 2: got themselves to blame for it because their argument, and
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Speaker 2: that Jill use that term loosely has been, as you've said,
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Speaker 2: so ridiculous. The Prime Minister also seem to be distancing
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Speaker 2: himself from those totally false health claims.
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Speaker 3: Have look at this.
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Speaker 9: Nuclear when it comes to health concerns, and if that
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Speaker 9: is the case, what should defense personnel think when they're
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Speaker 9: operating on these author submarines.
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Speaker 10: I'll tell you what's scary the failure of the coalition
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Speaker 10: to have any proper costing. So it's now a week
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Speaker 10: since they release their costings and it's been a shambles.
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Speaker 10: But it doesn't been out there saying that they had
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Speaker 10: a cost costing of consumers and how they would benefit.
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Speaker 10: There's nothing in this costing to indicate that that is
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Speaker 10: the case.
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Speaker 2: So the Prime Minister doesn't even try to answer the
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Speaker 2: question because he knows he can't answer the question. Their
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Speaker 2: behavior is indefensible, But I mean the PM has zero
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Speaker 2: credibility to talk about costings.
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Speaker 3: Remember that two hundred and.
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Speaker 2: Seventy five dollars power bill reduction he promised. But this
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Speaker 2: latest lie that nuclear reactors will give people cancers and strokes,
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Speaker 2: I mean that's next level. What sort of government stoops
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Speaker 2: so low as to start wildly exaggerating health risks.
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Speaker 3: In order to frighten the population.
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Speaker 8: Well, I can tell you exactly the answer that question.
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Speaker 8: A desperate government, a government that's watching its ratings drop,
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Speaker 8: it's watching interests drop. Every time the Prime Minister speaks
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Speaker 8: in question time, you can see the backbench has dropped
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Speaker 8: their heads because they know he's not on a winner.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely right in that line of question there, what's he
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Speaker 8: going to say to our defense personnel who are going
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Speaker 8: to be in these nuclear submarines? I got another question, though,
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Speaker 8: what's he going to say to Kevin Rudd? I was
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Speaker 8: over at the Australian Embassy in Washington. Now this within
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Speaker 8: three So within three hours drive of Washington, there's three
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Speaker 8: nuclear plants, nuclear action plants, so their energy is coming
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Speaker 8: from three separate nuclear plants and Kevin Rud's right in
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Speaker 8: the middle. If this is so bad, you know, is
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Speaker 8: Kevin safe?
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Speaker 1: Should we extract Kevin.
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Speaker 8: You know, if this is a really care campaign, you know,
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Speaker 8: let's save Kevin. I think this is something that should
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Speaker 8: be taken up with great seriousness by the Prime ministry.
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Speaker 8: He's so worried about the threats of nuclear energy. What
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Speaker 8: a joke.
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Speaker 2: We could launch a go fund page save Kevin Rudd.
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Speaker 3: How do you reckon it to go?
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Speaker 8: Look, I'm sure there be a lot of people happy
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Speaker 8: to see him get out of that office.
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Speaker 3: Maybe Trump, You're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Speaker 2: Hey, I want to ask you about your fellow LNP friend,
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Speaker 2: Keith Pitt. He's quitting politics and has taken a pretty
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Speaker 2: big swipe at National's leader David Little Proud on the
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Speaker 2: way out. He says the Nationals Party is becoming irrelevant
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Speaker 2: to regional voters by maintaining a commitment to net zero
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Speaker 2: and turning its back on coal fired power. Keith Pit's
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Speaker 2: absolutely right about this.
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Speaker 3: Isn't he.
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Speaker 8: Well, Look, he's right about a lot of things. You know,
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Speaker 8: it's not unusual to see NAT's fighting between each other.
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Speaker 8: Can I just say something nice about Keith Pit to
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Speaker 8: start off, because he is a friend of mine. I
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Speaker 8: think he's done a great job in his term as
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Speaker 8: a member for Hinkler. Now, there are very few people
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Speaker 8: who speak from their heart and who say exactly what
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Speaker 8: they believe and have been consistent and true to their beliefs,
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Speaker 8: and he has been absolutely that. I think Keiths done
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Speaker 8: a great job. His support for the resources industry in
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Speaker 8: Australia has been fantastic. Look, one thing he's very right
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Speaker 8: about the cost of net zero is important for us
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Speaker 8: to weigh up. I've got a regional community. I've got
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Speaker 8: a coal mine. You know, I've got four hundred jobs
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Speaker 8: out at the Ackland coal Mine. They're very important to
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Speaker 8: our local community, our local economy, and that've been under threat.
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Speaker 8: We went through fourteen years of litigation and the biggest
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Speaker 8: driver against that was of course the impact on the
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Speaker 8: environment of our coal mine. So you know we've felt
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Speaker 8: the concerns that Keith has raised.
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Speaker 1: I do disagree with him.
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Speaker 8: I don't think the National Party is irrelevant in the regions.
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Speaker 8: I think they still are the number one supporters of
18:55
Speaker 8: regional communities. As a regional liberal, I rely on my
18:58
Speaker 8: National Party colleagues to support me on a lot of
19:01
Speaker 8: issues as well. But look, when you see the NTS fighting,
19:05
Speaker 8: that's just business as usual, I think.
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Speaker 3: Garth.
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Speaker 2: The other thing I think that's a great pity with
19:12
Speaker 2: Keith leaving politics is we lose one of the few
19:16
Speaker 2: politicians that remains in Parliament who's actually got real world experience.
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Look, Keith and I share something in common with both engineers,
19:27
Speaker 8: so Karen Andrews. By the way, the three of us
19:29
Speaker 8: engineers in the LMP, and Keith can actually speak from
19:34
Speaker 8: someone who's been on the tools, who's been out on site,
19:37
Speaker 8: who knows what it takes to get a project delivered,
19:39
Speaker 8: what it takes to get something done, and know what
19:40
Speaker 8: the challenges are on site. I spent a bit of
19:44
Speaker 8: a time in my youth outmining as well. That's a
19:47
Speaker 8: much younger picture of me there. I wish I still
19:50
Speaker 8: looked like that. I wish I weighed like that as well.
19:52
Speaker 8: But you know, I think it's important. I think it's
19:55
Speaker 8: important being an engineer. It gives us a different insight.
19:57
Speaker 8: I remember the commentary by Bob Horre and John Howard
20:00
Speaker 8: talking about how important it was when they both came
20:03
Speaker 8: into Parliament. The diversity in experience that was on the
20:07
Speaker 8: front bench of either side now both complementary or complimentary
20:11
Speaker 8: of the Liberal Party and Howard complimentary of labor because
20:15
Speaker 8: we had different views, different experience levels. I think that's
20:18
Speaker 8: something that we should treasure within the coalition, and Keiths
20:22
Speaker 8: being a great exponent of that. Very few people have
20:25
Speaker 8: understood the energy market electricity as well as Keith Pitt did.
20:30
Speaker 8: He's going to leave a big.
20:30
Speaker 3: Hole, Guth.
20:33
Speaker 2: Before I'll let you go, I want to talk to
20:36
Speaker 2: you about Anti Albanesi's decision to strike a new deal
20:40
Speaker 2: with the Solomon Islands. He's announced one hundred and ninety
20:43
Speaker 2: million dollars to bolster their police force.
20:46
Speaker 3: But here's the thing I find strange.
20:48
Speaker 2: Fourteen Chinese police officers gifted from the CCP. Well, they
20:52
Speaker 2: will remain in the Solomons. We're supposed to be reducing
20:56
Speaker 2: China's influence, but this deal doesn't sound strong enough to me.
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Speaker 2: One hundred and ninety million dollars to help them with
21:02
Speaker 2: their police force, but the Chinese keep their police there.
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Speaker 8: Well. I think this speaks to the great challenge that
21:09
Speaker 8: Australia has with Anthony Albanezier as our leader. Now there's
21:12
Speaker 8: times when he's doing things in the right space and
21:15
Speaker 8: we should be working with our friends in the Pacific
21:18
Speaker 8: making sure that we have strong bonds there and being
21:21
Speaker 8: very aware of the challenge that China brings to some
21:22
Speaker 8: of these relationships. But once again, mister Albinez, he just
21:26
Speaker 8: hasn't been strong enough to deliver what we actually need there,
21:30
Speaker 8: so he's given us a half half solution. I don't
21:32
Speaker 8: think mister Albernese is really in control of what's happening
21:34
Speaker 8: within his own party when it comes to international policy,
21:38
Speaker 8: and we're seeing that play out here. He hasn't been
21:40
Speaker 8: willing to stand up to China and actually get the
21:42
Speaker 8: as police removed. He's come to a half half solution,
21:46
Speaker 8: a foot on either side of the fence, and he's
21:48
Speaker 8: kind of been like that pretty much all the way
21:50
Speaker 8: through his term as Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: Well, Guth Hamilton, thanks for joining me tonight, and if
21:56
Speaker 2: I don't get the chance to speak to you beforehand,
21:58
Speaker 2: have a wonderful Christmas.
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Speaker 3: We'll stick around because.
22:01
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, a major airport has backtracked
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Speaker 2: on its decision not to feature a Jewish Manora in
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Speaker 2: its Christmas display security issues. Apparently the panel will have
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Speaker 2: their say next Well, welcome back. Last night I showed
22:19
Speaker 2: some shocking footage from Bunnings that showed workers being assaulted,
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Speaker 2: threatened and punched, makes you wonder what on earth has
22:27
Speaker 2: happened to our country. I talked last night about how
22:30
Speaker 2: Bunnings now want to introduce permanent facial recognition technology to
22:35
Speaker 2: catch these offenders. Well, today we learn things have gotten
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Speaker 2: so bad that Woolley's have sent set up a violence
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Speaker 2: prevention team to stop their staff being assaulted, and Cole's
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Speaker 2: have fitted some workers with personal security devices to protect
22:51
Speaker 2: them at work. It's just unbelievable. Joining me as Sky
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Speaker 2: News contributors Evelyn Ray and Louise Roberts. Louise the fact
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Speaker 2: this is violence at supermarkets. I mean it's supermarkets for
23:03
Speaker 2: goodness sake. What do you think is driving this is
23:06
Speaker 2: at cost of living? Is it just people knowing they
23:08
Speaker 2: can get away with it. Is it a belief that
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Speaker 2: laws aren't enforced? What the hell's going on?
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Speaker 9: I don't think James, at cost of Living is the
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Speaker 9: reason here. I see that as really window dressing on
23:19
Speaker 9: the matter. For me, it's the escalating disrespect for retail
23:22
Speaker 9: staff across the board. As you say, I mean to
23:24
Speaker 9: watch that footage of Bunning staff being assaulted or chased
23:28
Speaker 9: after with chainsaws or hammers is just disgusting. I mean,
23:32
Speaker 9: they have the right to go to work and be
23:34
Speaker 9: safe at work. I think also is an increased lack
23:37
Speaker 9: of acceptance for your own behavior. There's a real entitlement
23:41
Speaker 9: issue going on here. I think on top of that,
23:43
Speaker 9: a certain person who's going into those stores such as
23:45
Speaker 9: Bunnings thinks what's the security guard going to do? Or
23:48
Speaker 9: they go into a supermarket and they think, well, I
23:50
Speaker 9: can probably take this steak and steal it. Because he's
23:53
Speaker 9: been told not to run after me. He's been told
23:55
Speaker 9: not to physically intervene with me as well. So that
23:58
Speaker 9: creates a culture of no no admittance of guilt or
24:02
Speaker 9: no sort of nothing. They can get away with anything, really,
24:05
Speaker 9: And I don't blame the staff for not chasing after
24:09
Speaker 9: someone who's trying to steal a piece of meat or
24:11
Speaker 9: try and steal some milk or something. And their lives
24:13
Speaker 9: are not worth it.
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Speaker 3: You know, you're so right.
24:17
Speaker 2: My son works in a retail store and we were
24:19
Speaker 2: talking about shoplifting and he was telling me that they
24:22
Speaker 2: are instructed and he's not security, he's just they're working retail,
24:25
Speaker 2: but they literally will watch people steal things walk straight
24:29
Speaker 2: out of the store and it's his job to call
24:32
Speaker 2: center management security that take fifteen minutes to get there.
24:36
Speaker 2: And he said, it's incredible the number of stuff that
24:38
Speaker 2: gets stolen because thieves know there will be no consequences.
24:42
Speaker 2: No one's coming for you. Evelyn, help us understand what
24:45
Speaker 2: to do about this. You're a former police officer. I
24:48
Speaker 2: know you don't agree with facial recognition technology because of
24:51
Speaker 2: privacy concerns, But how to operators like Bunnings keep their
24:55
Speaker 2: staff safe.
24:57
Speaker 1: Look, this is the real conundrum.
24:59
Speaker 12: You know.
24:59
Speaker 11: We've seen in this sort of thing play out over
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Speaker 11: and over again in other parts of the world. It's
25:04
Speaker 11: a very sad time that we're living in where we're
25:07
Speaker 11: now seeing it come over here on our own shores,
25:10
Speaker 11: you know, and it always results in the same thing.
25:13
Speaker 11: You know, companies eventually have to pack up and stop
25:16
Speaker 11: doing business in dangerous areas where their employees are likely
25:20
Speaker 11: to be attacked.
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Speaker 1: And you know, in.
25:21
Speaker 11: Australia, the fear that we have too often is that
25:25
Speaker 11: the law is on the criminal side. You know, if
25:28
Speaker 11: you fight back, you risk prosecution yourself. But I mean,
25:31
Speaker 11: what more can people do besides sheltering behind, whether it
25:35
Speaker 11: be some kind of barrier or wall.
25:38
Speaker 1: You know, I think the knee.
25:39
Speaker 11: Jerk reaction, unfortunately for Australian politicians, is.
25:42
Speaker 1: To create new laws.
25:44
Speaker 11: But you know, I think that we often forget that,
25:47
Speaker 11: you know what criminal if they're not respecting the old laws,
25:50
Speaker 11: are going to respect these new magical laws that politicians introduce.
25:55
Speaker 11: You know, that's not going to solve any issue. You know,
25:57
Speaker 11: this kind of social unrest, unfortunately, is symptom of a
26:01
Speaker 11: bigger problem.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't always like this.
26:03
Speaker 11: We didn't always live in this world in Australia. I
26:07
Speaker 11: remember a time where our parents told us, you know,
26:09
Speaker 11: don't come back until it's dark. You know, kids were
26:12
Speaker 11: able to roam the streets on their bikes, We were
26:14
Speaker 11: able to leave our front doors unlocked. So I think
26:16
Speaker 11: that what we have to do, and the first thing
26:19
Speaker 11: that we need to do is be honest. We need
26:21
Speaker 11: to ask the really hard questions. You know, what have
26:24
Speaker 11: we lost and why have we lost it? When did
26:28
Speaker 11: we lose it? You know, there has to be something
26:31
Speaker 11: that once existed that doesn't exist anymore. You know, the
26:34
Speaker 11: dirt that we live on isn't enough of commonality. We
26:38
Speaker 11: need something else and we need to ask the question,
26:41
Speaker 11: why were we a high trust society and why have
26:44
Speaker 11: we now lost that?
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Speaker 1: That's the first step.
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Speaker 2: They're great questions, Zevlon, and I wish we had a
26:50
Speaker 2: couple of hours to unpack all of those. I want
26:53
Speaker 2: to move on because I was I was chatting to
26:55
Speaker 2: a Jewish rabbi yesterday and he was telling me that
26:58
Speaker 2: Lonceston Airport has decided had decided not to display a manora,
27:05
Speaker 2: despite the fact that it's Hunniker and they'd promised to
27:08
Speaker 2: do so and had done so previously. The airport said
27:11
Speaker 2: they wanted to take an inclusive approach by not referencing
27:14
Speaker 2: any religious affiliation, which kind of makes me laugh because
27:18
Speaker 2: Christmas is kind of religious. But when that excuse didn't
27:22
Speaker 2: cut it, then they said, well there were security concerns
27:26
Speaker 2: behind the decision. Now at the end of all of that,
27:30
Speaker 2: the airport has now backtracked and so the minora is
27:33
Speaker 2: back on display. But Luise, stuff like this should not
27:36
Speaker 2: happen in the first place. What do you think is
27:38
Speaker 2: really going on?
27:39
Speaker 10: Oh?
27:40
Speaker 13: Absolutely not.
27:40
Speaker 9: This is an appalling story. You think about the climate
27:43
Speaker 9: we're in, You think about twenty twenty four, where the
27:46
Speaker 9: threat of antisemitism is no longer a threat, it's a
27:48
Speaker 9: day to day reality for our Jewish community. And this
27:51
Speaker 9: was a great example of an opportunity for an airport
27:54
Speaker 9: to really embrace the Jewish Australian community and say we
27:57
Speaker 9: have your backs, we're with you, and actually make more
28:00
Speaker 9: of them an or actually make it more of a feature,
28:02
Speaker 9: have a special ceremony, maybe combined with other airports nationally,
28:06
Speaker 9: and really make it an object of support for the
28:10
Speaker 9: Jewish Australian community. Instead, they went down this crazy road
28:13
Speaker 9: signing security concerns and inclusivity and all its absolute rubbish
28:18
Speaker 9: and in fact that what they've done is that excluded
28:20
Speaker 9: a community we desperately need to support every single.
28:23
Speaker 3: Day, Evelyn.
28:26
Speaker 2: The part that made me laugh, as I said, is
28:29
Speaker 2: apparently the airport claiming they didn't want religious affiliations associated
28:33
Speaker 2: with Christmas. That's like saying we want to celebrate the birthday,
28:36
Speaker 2: we just don't want the birthday.
28:37
Speaker 3: Boy.
28:37
Speaker 11: There, I'm going to play a little bit of Devil's
28:40
Speaker 11: advocate here and don't hate me for it. But in
28:43
Speaker 11: their defense, it could be argued to unfortunately to some extent,
28:47
Speaker 11: that Christmas has been secularized. You know that there are
28:51
Speaker 11: people in Australia of all different faiths, all different religions,
28:54
Speaker 11: all different backgrounds who celebrate Christmas. I remember doing Christmas
28:57
Speaker 11: caros with my church and seeing Muslims singing the carols there.
29:01
Speaker 11: So I think that Christmas has become something very different.
29:04
Speaker 11: You know, Christ is obviously the reason for Christmas, and
29:07
Speaker 11: we are a Christian nation, we are part of the monarch. Therefore,
29:11
Speaker 11: you know we're under King Charles and he swore to
29:14
Speaker 11: the Gospel, etc.
29:15
Speaker 1: Etc.
29:16
Speaker 11: We know that, but what it has become culturally is
29:19
Speaker 11: very different to Christmas origin. And I say that sadly
29:23
Speaker 11: because of what the true meaning of Christmas is. But
29:26
Speaker 11: you know, we can't have the best of both worlds. Unfortunately,
29:29
Speaker 11: we live in a multicultural country. So you're going to
29:33
Speaker 11: have things like this come up all the time. When
29:36
Speaker 11: you have politicians telling you that every single religion, every
29:40
Speaker 11: single culture, every single idea is equal in value.
29:45
Speaker 1: This is the this is the consequence of that.
29:48
Speaker 11: You're going to have things like this playing out on
29:51
Speaker 11: your shore. And until we can be a little bit
29:55
Speaker 11: more honest with ourselves, and until our politicians can stop
29:59
Speaker 11: sitting the sense on the fence. You know, I've always
30:02
Speaker 11: said Satan owns the fence, and you know, until they
30:05
Speaker 11: actually can make an objective stand on what's true and
30:09
Speaker 11: what's moral and what's right, we're going to have this
30:12
Speaker 11: pluralistic result where you know, you're yo yoing between two
30:16
Speaker 11: different ideas. But I'm sad that Christmas, you know, has
30:21
Speaker 11: become what it has become, and I hope moving forward
30:26
Speaker 11: we can be you know, more united and have a
30:30
Speaker 11: much safer and comfortable country for all Australians.
30:35
Speaker 2: All right, before I let both of you go, one
30:37
Speaker 2: of Melbourne's largest childcare providers has just advised parents they'll
30:41
Speaker 2: be canceling Mother's Day and Father's Day next year. Instead,
30:45
Speaker 2: they'll replace those traditional events with Family Day to quote,
30:48
Speaker 2: honor all caregivers and significant figures in your children's lives, Evelyn.
30:53
Speaker 2: They reckon this is more inclusive, But how is it
30:55
Speaker 2: inclusive to cancel nineteen nine percent of the population who
30:58
Speaker 2: still believe in mothers and fathers.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I'd understand if this was being done out of
31:04
Speaker 11: sensitivity for children who don't.
31:06
Speaker 1: Have mothers or fathers. You know, I think it's up
31:08
Speaker 1: to one point two million families.
31:10
Speaker 11: In Australia who don't have a mother or a father,
31:13
Speaker 11: which is incredibly.
31:14
Speaker 1: Sad, you know, And it would be a hard thing.
31:16
Speaker 11: For a child to endure a whole day of arts
31:18
Speaker 11: and crafts or something if their mother or father had
31:21
Speaker 11: died or abandoned them.
31:23
Speaker 1: You know, things like this can be done with sensitivity, you.
31:26
Speaker 11: Know, And you don't have to tell all other children
31:30
Speaker 11: that they're not to celebrate the beauty.
31:32
Speaker 1: Of fatherhood and motherhood because of that.
31:35
Speaker 11: However, I don't think that they're doing this out of
31:38
Speaker 11: the goodness of their hearts for the sensitivity of those
31:41
Speaker 11: poor children. It sounds like just another attempt to redefine
31:46
Speaker 11: the family to mean everything.
31:48
Speaker 1: Therefore it means nothing, you know.
31:49
Speaker 11: I think parents seem to be very involved with their
31:52
Speaker 11: children's education, even if they outsource their education to schools
31:56
Speaker 11: or whatnot. But you know, if you're really involved with
31:59
Speaker 11: your childs, can you can really have a hold on
32:02
Speaker 11: things like this and get on top of it before
32:04
Speaker 11: it destroys truth and morality?
32:10
Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you, and I think Louise, by
32:12
Speaker 2: getting rid of references to mothers and fathers, these kindergartens
32:16
Speaker 2: are effectively politicizing toddlers, aren't they.
32:19
Speaker 12: Oh?
32:19
Speaker 9: Absolutely, I mean and nobody's asked for this. I mean
32:23
Speaker 9: the clients of these kindergarten, this kindcarten business in particular,
32:27
Speaker 9: are the parents who pay the fees, and what they
32:29
Speaker 9: want is cheaper fees and more staff. They don't want
32:31
Speaker 9: mothers and fathers being obliterated from the narrative. And what
32:34
Speaker 9: about the kids themselves. They know they've got parents, even
32:37
Speaker 9: if they don't have a father or a mother. They
32:40
Speaker 9: appreciate making crafts or helping their friends who perhaps do
32:43
Speaker 9: have both a father and a mother. So it's just
32:46
Speaker 9: identity politics being jammed down the throats of three year
32:49
Speaker 9: old kids who have no idea what's being spoken about,
32:52
Speaker 9: and it doesn't belong in that place. I'm not surprised
32:54
Speaker 9: we're canceling fathers and mothers. I mean, it had to
32:57
Speaker 9: happen eventually, James, didn't it.
33:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sadly, all these things are inevitable and it just
33:03
Speaker 2: makes you wonder what it's going to take to turn
33:05
Speaker 2: things around. But we'll keep fighting the fight, Evelyn Ray,
33:08
Speaker 2: Luise Roberts, appreciate your time. We'll stick around because after
33:12
Speaker 2: the break. An anti Kierstarma Christmas song has topped the
33:15
Speaker 2: charts in the UK, but the BBC. They are not
33:18
Speaker 2: going to play it. Will find out why in just
33:21
Speaker 2: a moment. Well, welcome back. Joining me is one of
33:27
Speaker 2: my favorite writers, the Daily Telegraph's Tim Blair.
33:30
Speaker 3: Tim, how are you very good?
33:32
Speaker 14: My friend?
33:32
Speaker 13: Very good?
33:33
Speaker 2: Indeed, I'll tell you what you are a reason to
33:37
Speaker 2: buy the Daily Telegraph. If you were the only reason
33:39
Speaker 2: you'd be worth it. I really enjoy all of your writing.
33:42
Speaker 2: I want to talk to about a few things tonight,
33:44
Speaker 2: but first I want to get your reaction to a
33:46
Speaker 2: couple of the big stories of today. Firstly, the decision
33:50
Speaker 2: by the Victorian Liberal Party to block the return of
33:53
Speaker 2: Moira Deeming to the party room. I just want to
33:55
Speaker 2: know your thoughts on that.
33:58
Speaker 14: This is astonishing. The Victorian Liberals were given a free
34:01
Speaker 14: kick on this by Dan Andrews, the then Labor Premier
34:06
Speaker 14: of Victoria, who characterized Women's rights demonstration Women's rights event
34:14
Speaker 14: as being pro Nazi because it was gate crashed by Nazis.
34:17
Speaker 14: Now you'd think that a liberal, sensible conservative would turn
34:22
Speaker 14: around and say, well, just because Nazi's gate crashed something,
34:24
Speaker 14: it doesn't mean they're Nazis. It's a logical flow. It's insane.
34:28
Speaker 14: But instead, instead of taking that free kick and going
34:31
Speaker 14: with it. John Pasuito kicked his colleague more redeeming in
34:36
Speaker 14: the face, which is shocking. And he's kept doing it.
34:39
Speaker 14: He's still trying to somehow blag his way out of this,
34:42
Speaker 14: and I can't see it anything happily for him. I
34:45
Speaker 14: can see it turning the fortunes of the Victorian Liberals around,
34:48
Speaker 14: because they need it to turn around very badly.
34:52
Speaker 2: Do you think that the public pay attention to these
34:55
Speaker 2: things or do you think that, you know what, John
34:57
Speaker 2: Persudo could just you know, keep pushing through with this
35:01
Speaker 2: the Victorian Labor Party is shocking. He's just got to
35:04
Speaker 2: hold his ground, get through and you can still win
35:07
Speaker 2: the election. That's actually really good point jameson what the
35:10
Speaker 2: public tends to grab onto. Isn't you know the Senate fights,
35:15
Speaker 2: or the arguments about who's on what part on what
35:18
Speaker 2: card when an election comes up, all the factional brawls,
35:22
Speaker 2: all of that stuff tends to not be and rightly
35:25
Speaker 2: tends not to be of any great interest to the
35:27
Speaker 2: general public. What is interesting to them is whether someone
35:30
Speaker 2: can define what a woman is, whether they can allow
35:34
Speaker 2: female MPs to hold events or to take part in
35:39
Speaker 2: events where they celebrate and defend women's rights and don't
35:42
Speaker 2: have them taken over by a Nazis and b claims
35:46
Speaker 2: of association with Nazis. That's when the public really gets involved, mate.
35:52
Speaker 3: Absolutely all right.
35:53
Speaker 2: The other big issue, of course, was Labour's nuclear scare campaign.
35:57
Speaker 2: Just for those who haven't seen it here it.
35:59
Speaker 12: Is there are definite increases in cancer, strokes and heart
36:05
Speaker 12: attacks with nuclear power. With renewable energy, we have much
36:09
Speaker 12: safer alternatives, and for a health perspective, nuclear makes no sense.
36:13
Speaker 12: There are significantly increased rates of cancer, heart attacks and
36:18
Speaker 12: strokes amongst the workforce in the nuclear industries.
36:22
Speaker 2: Crazy stuff, Tim, It's telling that the Labor Party are
36:25
Speaker 2: using a former Greens candidate to make their case for
36:28
Speaker 2: them on nuclear But I wanted to ask you the
36:31
Speaker 2: level of political debate. I mean, I find it personally
36:35
Speaker 2: so depressing. Has it gotten worse lately or has it
36:39
Speaker 2: always been this infantile?
36:42
Speaker 14: I think it has gotten worse.
36:43
Speaker 3: I think.
36:44
Speaker 14: I'm not sure if the whole COVID deal was something
36:47
Speaker 14: to do with it, or that was just parallel to events,
36:49
Speaker 14: but it seems to me that things are becoming more infantile,
36:52
Speaker 14: which is the perfect words to use here. I mean,
36:55
Speaker 14: if you're going to make the argument about risk down
36:57
Speaker 14: at the level that this former Green's candidate that is
37:00
Speaker 14: making it, you would be arguing against ever leaving your
37:04
Speaker 14: house because you know, the risk does increase upon leaving
37:07
Speaker 14: the house of being run over by a bus. This
37:11
Speaker 14: is true. It might be tiny, it might be almost immeasured,
37:14
Speaker 14: but the risk does increase. The ads on you shouldn't
37:16
Speaker 14: scoff at it. The risk goes up. So if we're
37:18
Speaker 14: analyzing all human behavior from that tiny, mean, ridiculous perspective,
37:24
Speaker 14: you're not going to get very far. And it's like
37:27
Speaker 14: the Labor Party are pulling their debate about this from
37:30
Speaker 14: the plot of a nineteen fifties movie, a sort of
37:32
Speaker 14: a horror film where all the exaggerated, comic sort of
37:36
Speaker 14: aspects of it are made real. In labor minds, you'd
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Speaker 14: hope that the general public is alert to it. I reckon,
37:42
Speaker 14: obviously there are, because the polls show increasing support for
37:46
Speaker 14: the embraced of nuclear power.
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Speaker 2: Well, Tanya Pipasek has just signed off on an agreement
37:53
Speaker 2: to extend the lifespan of four coal mines because, as
37:57
Speaker 2: she tells it, there's no renewable oldnative to coal when
38:01
Speaker 2: it comes to producing steel. So tim should we call
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Speaker 2: Tanya pivosect the Minister for Coal.
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Speaker 14: Ah well yeah, I mean you're welcome to take that
38:10
Speaker 14: legal risk yourself. You know, we're talking about deformation before
38:13
Speaker 14: with John Persudo billing ten. You're player sector, the Minister
38:16
Speaker 14: for Coal, you might be might be hit with a
38:18
Speaker 14: few writs.
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Speaker 6: But here's the great.
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Speaker 14: Thing about this whole the circularity of the anti coal
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Speaker 14: position from from the left. They hate coal, but then
38:28
Speaker 14: they recognize, Ah, you know, we've got to build wind turbines.
38:32
Speaker 14: They're made of steel, so we need coal to build steel.
38:34
Speaker 14: But we should only have coal for that. Now, if
38:37
Speaker 14: you reduce coal steel manufacturing via coal to just one application,
38:42
Speaker 14: you know this or this tiny field of you know,
38:46
Speaker 14: wind turbines, each wind turbine is going to be vastly
38:49
Speaker 14: more expensive than they already are. And they're already pretty expensive.
38:52
Speaker 14: But if you narrow down the cost per unit to
38:55
Speaker 14: have cold vire steel wind turbines, each one is going
38:58
Speaker 14: to cost in the trillions. My man, it's going to
39:01
Speaker 14: be crazy.
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Speaker 3: It's absolute madness.
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Speaker 2: Hey, look, I'm happy about the lifespan of coal mines
39:08
Speaker 2: being extended. That's good, but I'm not happy that the
39:11
Speaker 2: ban on climbing Mount Warning has been extended, the ban
39:15
Speaker 2: that was put in place about five years ago because
39:18
Speaker 2: of fears that climbers might disrespect indigenous culture. It's been
39:22
Speaker 2: extended tim so that New South Wales National Parks and
39:25
Speaker 2: Wildlife Service can have more time for consultation about the decision.
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Speaker 3: This is a joke, right.
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Speaker 14: Oh, you'd hope so, but it's happening all over the place.
39:36
Speaker 14: One of the things that's most upsetting about this whole
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Speaker 14: line of argument that we can't disrespect abriginal areas, aboriginal
39:46
Speaker 14: abriiginal artifacts and so on. And I agree they need
39:48
Speaker 14: to be respected. But there's a racism involved here, which
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Speaker 14: which is coming from the side of those who wish
39:56
Speaker 14: to protect a lot of this stuff. And the racism
39:58
Speaker 14: is to treat average Australians. So they're stroppy two year olds.
40:03
Speaker 14: Oh don't touch Becky's spoon, you know, like, oh no,
40:05
Speaker 14: that's her special chair. We're talking about adults. We're talking
40:09
Speaker 14: about people have their own agency, who are able to
40:13
Speaker 14: deal with concepts like sharing. You know, we're not talking
40:16
Speaker 14: about half witted babies or teenagers. Who will be distressed
40:21
Speaker 14: to the point of paralysis if they ever have someone
40:25
Speaker 14: else using their stuff for God's sake. It's an infant
40:28
Speaker 14: again to use the word infidel. It's an infantile way
40:32
Speaker 14: that we analyze things of this nature and how we
40:35
Speaker 14: come to these crazy decisions of just banning people from
40:38
Speaker 14: walking around. It's stupid.
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Speaker 2: It is absolutely stupid, Tim Blair, it's always a delight
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Speaker 2: to talk to you.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight.
40:48
Speaker 2: Well let's head to the UK now, where an anti
40:53
Speaker 2: Kio Starma song has reached number one in the Official
40:57
Speaker 2: Singles Downloads Chart, but the BBC so far refused to
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Speaker 2: play it. Let's have a listen to some of this
41:03
Speaker 2: anti Kiostarma song.
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Speaker 3: Here it is.
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Speaker 15: It'll be preasy this Christmas without fuel at home. It'll
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Speaker 15: be freezing this Christmass.
41:18
Speaker 16: Welker Starmer's world, it'll be cold without few at this Christmas.
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Speaker 2: Joining me from London is writer and commentator Esther Krakh.
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Speaker 3: Esther, I love this song.
41:38
Speaker 2: It's going to be freezing at Christmas because, of course,
41:40
Speaker 2: the policies of Kio Starmer's government will make it that way.
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Speaker 3: I think it's brilliant. Why won't they play it.
41:47
Speaker 17: Well, the BBC still likes to feign some sort of
41:49
Speaker 17: political impartiality, even though.
41:51
Speaker 13: This is the same organization. I remember that refused to
41:53
Speaker 13: call hamas.
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Speaker 17: A terrorist group even though it's a designated terrorist group
41:56
Speaker 17: by the British government.
41:57
Speaker 13: But anyway, we won't go into that.
41:58
Speaker 17: But apparently it would break the veneer of impartiality. Look,
42:03
Speaker 17: you know, there's so many similarities between that song and
42:06
Speaker 17: the band Aid song. When you were seeing sort of emaciated,
42:10
Speaker 17: impoverished Ethiopians children during the famine of the nineteen nineties.
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Speaker 13: You could really very well see similar scenes.
42:17
Speaker 17: Here in Britain and that's a reality that's making Kis
42:19
Speaker 17: Starmer very uncomfortable. Unfortunately, he's lost all political capital within
42:24
Speaker 17: a record time. I mean, he has a lower approval
42:27
Speaker 17: ratings than James Callahan, which is really saying something. So
42:31
Speaker 17: you know, the fact that the BBC are I'm playing
42:33
Speaker 17: this is not going to remove the fact that that's
42:35
Speaker 17: how many people in Britain are actually feeling, and many
42:37
Speaker 17: people are genuinely concerned that we're going to see scenes
42:39
Speaker 17: of old people freezing in their homes.
42:41
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I got to admit I didn't particularly find that
42:47
Speaker 2: song all that tune for it's a bit of a dirge.
42:49
Speaker 3: But like I said, it's gone to number one.
42:52
Speaker 2: So what does that say about the way kirs Starmer
42:56
Speaker 2: is regarded or do you.
42:57
Speaker 3: Guys just have a different taste in music? To me?
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Speaker 13: No, I mean it really is as bad as it sounds.
43:03
Speaker 13: His approval ratings have plummeted.
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Speaker 17: I mean, this is someone that had the audacity to
43:08
Speaker 17: be rate less trust and then basically manage to equal
43:11
Speaker 17: and then even surpass her abysmal.
43:14
Speaker 13: Record in the space of months.
43:16
Speaker 17: You'll notice that kiss Starmers has been found everywhere but Britain.
43:20
Speaker 17: He's purrarently been doing this endless tool that doesn't involve
43:22
Speaker 17: the country that elected him, and it's for a reason.
43:26
Speaker 17: His popularity is through the floor. And to lose this
43:29
Speaker 17: much political capital in such a short space of time,
43:31
Speaker 17: you really have to wonder what exactly he's going to
43:33
Speaker 17: be able to do in the next four to five years.
43:34
Speaker 17: God forbid if he actually stays as Prime minister.
43:38
Speaker 13: And it really is that bad.
43:39
Speaker 17: The public has no time for Kistarmer, They have no
43:41
Speaker 17: time for his government. He's basically broken virtually every promise
43:44
Speaker 17: that he made in his manifesto since coming into office,
43:47
Speaker 17: and it's really the worst kind of politics. It's the
43:49
Speaker 17: kind of politics of deception where people can have no
43:51
Speaker 17: faith in the political institutions, where there are no consequences
43:54
Speaker 17: for lying, and people are going to be paying a
43:56
Speaker 17: really heavy price for Businesses have been whacked with the
43:59
Speaker 17: forty billion pounds tacks. The economy, which was forecaster to grill,
44:02
Speaker 17: has now staminated and is now on risk of a recession.
44:06
Speaker 13: Pensioners have had their winter, a few payments removed to the.
44:09
Speaker 17: Tune of save one point five billion pounds, but apparently
44:11
Speaker 17: we have eight billion pounds to spend on illegal migrants
44:14
Speaker 17: in hotels coming across on birds.
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Speaker 13: It's a complete shambles. This whole premiership of Kirstamber is pathetic.
44:22
Speaker 3: See Esther.
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Speaker 2: This is why I love talking to you, because I
44:25
Speaker 2: start off depressed about my country. Then I talked to
44:27
Speaker 2: you and I realized, you know what it could be worse.
44:31
Speaker 2: Tell us about the UK government's newly appointed ambassador to
44:35
Speaker 2: the United States, because here in Australia we've got Kevin
44:37
Speaker 2: Rudd right as our man in the US and we
44:39
Speaker 2: think he's a diplomatic disaster. But the UK's man in
44:42
Speaker 2: Washington might make our Kevin Rudd look not so bad.
44:46
Speaker 2: Lord Madson, I think is his name. He's the ambassador there.
44:50
Speaker 2: The Brits call him the Prince of Darkness.
44:54
Speaker 17: Yes, he definitely is, Lord Mandelsshon, who is really quite
44:58
Speaker 17: a veteran of the Labor Party's He's an og of
45:01
Speaker 17: the Blair generation. I find it incredible that Kis Starmer
45:05
Speaker 17: couldn't find anyone else to be ambassadored.
45:07
Speaker 13: I mean, there's a certain character of the Reform Party.
45:09
Speaker 17: That comes to mind, but apparently, you know, the best
45:11
Speaker 17: who we could do as a country was appoint someone
45:14
Speaker 17: who had to resign from cabinet twice for doing political
45:18
Speaker 17: favors for his client groups, who had an expensive scandal
45:21
Speaker 17: that left him leaving in disgrace, who called Donald Trump
45:25
Speaker 17: a bully and mercantilist. So you know, of course, someone
45:27
Speaker 17: who insulted our future diplomatic partner is always a good
45:31
Speaker 17: person to put.
45:32
Speaker 13: In that post.
45:33
Speaker 17: And this again goes to testify to the fact that
45:36
Speaker 17: Kis Starmer has no judgment. This is a man who
45:38
Speaker 17: thinks people like Ed miliband, who again has never had
45:40
Speaker 17: a proper job in his life, and is leading energy
45:42
Speaker 17: policy in this country, even though the UK has some
45:44
Speaker 17: of the highest energy prices.
45:46
Speaker 13: In the developed world.
45:47
Speaker 17: This is someone he thinks is a good idea to
45:48
Speaker 17: appoint into cabinet. Someone like David Lammy again had only
45:51
Speaker 17: three years of work experience before entering politics, doesn't know
45:54
Speaker 17: what he's doing, has butchered the Chegos Islands deal, not
45:57
Speaker 17: once but twice, also called Trump a fascist sympathizer. We
46:01
Speaker 17: have Rachel Reeves who is the Chancellor of this country,
46:04
Speaker 17: who's not running a corner shop, mind you, she's actually
46:06
Speaker 17: running this country's economy, and we don't even know her
46:09
Speaker 17: employment history. She lied about being an economist allegedly at
46:12
Speaker 17: the Bank of England and the Bank of Scotland. She's
46:14
Speaker 17: apparently massaged elements of her employment history and has somehow
46:19
Speaker 17: managed to find her way into Parliament that way.
46:22
Speaker 1: He thinks these.
46:22
Speaker 17: People are good picks, which is terrifying for this country
46:25
Speaker 17: because we have to stomach another four and a half
46:27
Speaker 17: years of this man. Lord Mandel saying, I have no
46:30
Speaker 17: doubt will probably not be Trump's favorite.
46:32
Speaker 13: And Trump doesn't forget these things.
46:33
Speaker 17: I mean, kiss Armer has a bit of a Trump
46:36
Speaker 17: card in the Royal family in the sense that they're
46:37
Speaker 17: hoping Trump's sympathies towards King Charles and Prince.
46:43
Speaker 13: William will smooth things over.
46:44
Speaker 17: Even though you know, a pop face, Kis Sarma has
46:47
Speaker 17: to admit, even though he's a Republican, has to admit
46:50
Speaker 17: the value of the royal family in that regard.
46:52
Speaker 13: But I don't think he will be enough to smooth
46:53
Speaker 13: things over all.
46:54
Speaker 17: It will take, really is a phone call from Niger
46:55
Speaker 17: faras to really sink any of Kis.
46:57
Speaker 13: Thalma's plans with Britain.
46:58
Speaker 17: That is how low Trump's administration views Kirstarma and his
47:03
Speaker 17: and his accolytes.
47:05
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned the royal family, so I have to
47:08
Speaker 2: ask you about Prince Andrew. Is it true he's going
47:11
Speaker 2: to be staying well away from Christmas this year after
47:14
Speaker 2: one of his close confidence turned out to be a
47:16
Speaker 2: Chinese spy.
47:17
Speaker 3: What's happening there?
47:20
Speaker 17: Yes, Prince Andrew is the headache that keeps on giving,
47:23
Speaker 17: and unfortunately King Charles can't banish.
47:26
Speaker 13: Him to a village in Goa in India.
47:29
Speaker 17: He has to keep him around because he is his family.
47:32
Speaker 17: But he just you know, from the Epstein scandal to
47:34
Speaker 17: now these Chinese friends scandals, which is something again as well,
47:38
Speaker 17: something Lord Mandel said, I must add, has found his
47:41
Speaker 17: way in the mix. He was also he's also been
47:43
Speaker 17: found to have been a close confidante of Jeffrey Epstein
47:45
Speaker 17: and had used him in his political machinations.
47:47
Speaker 13: But we won't go there.
47:48
Speaker 17: But Prince Andrews is a bit of an enigma. He
47:50
Speaker 17: refuses to move out of his current lodgings, which has
47:53
Speaker 17: more rooms than any normal person needs, and he's he's
47:57
Speaker 17: really just been playing hardball with the King, and at
47:58
Speaker 17: some point the King will would just break ties with
48:01
Speaker 17: him completely because he's a complete disgrace to the royal family,
48:03
Speaker 17: even more so than the Sussexes, which are saying something.
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Speaker 11: Yeah.
48:08
Speaker 2: Well, I found it really interesting reading that his decision
48:10
Speaker 2: to stay away from Christmas and avoid the public, which
48:13
Speaker 2: I think is the right thing to do, but he
48:15
Speaker 2: was actually talked into that by his former wife Fergie,
48:19
Speaker 2: so even she had to sort of twist his arm
48:22
Speaker 2: before he saw sense.
48:24
Speaker 3: There you go, esther, Cracker.
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Speaker 2: You have made us feel so much better in Australia
48:28
Speaker 2: today because we thought our politicians were bad, but yours
48:31
Speaker 2: are so much worse, and we thank you for it.
48:33
Speaker 2: You've made us feel so much better. Thanks for your
48:36
Speaker 2: time tonight. Always enjoyed to talk to you. Well that's
48:39
Speaker 2: all I've got time for tonight. I really appreciate your
48:42
Speaker 2: company this week. But stick around because coming up in
48:44
Speaker 2: just a moment with Liz Storer and the team is.
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Speaker 3: The Late Debate. Good night,