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1992's Batman Returns · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf with Phil and Dave.
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  Every talk show where each week one of us takes a movie off our
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  shelf, presents it to the other, and discusses it at length.
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  This week we've got coming off of my shelf, 1992 Batman
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  Returns, directed by Tim Burton, written by Daniel Waters,
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  starring Michael Keaton, Danny DeVito and Michelle Pfeiffer.
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  That's the main. Three, That's the big three.
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  The Bat, the Cat and the Penguin was the tagline for this.
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  Movie. I think you're selling someone a
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  little short there, a guy from Denver, Christopher Walken.
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  Oh yeah, sure. Things to do in Denver.
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  Before things to do in Denver. That's absolutely.
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  Christopher Walken could be one of my favorite characters in
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  this whole movie, but wow. OK, we'll get there.
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  Geez, We'll get there. David, Welcome back to the
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  couch. Welcome.
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  Thank you, show. Thank you, special guest star
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  David. Yes, It's like Heather Locklear,
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  my friends. Exactly.
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  I thought we might add that to your contractually.
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  You need that. I think that you've been adding
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  that window in the renewal. You.
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  Yeah. I'm like Kelsey Grammar after
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  Season 4 and. Cheers.
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  Just add him in. That's right.
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  Yeah. He's here to stay here for about
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  20 more years. We're committed to this guy.
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  Alright, well so here what brings you.
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  What brings me here, you might ask?
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  Well, just thought I'd stop by, see how you're doing.
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  Just. Conveniently, we're recording
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  this podcast tonight exactly, so I appreciate you joining.
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  Well luckily I always keep my laptop and my notes in my car.
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  How's it going this week? Certainly better than me, it
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  seems. And how was your first
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  impressions on this movie? I assume first impressions
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  because you did not particularly care for the first Batman
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  experience. I did not, actually.
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  That's true. Yeah, Even afterwards I'm like,
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  I think I was even like too easy.
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  On Marshawn, but I would say. Not in the episode.
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  Oh, OK. No, if we were to rerecord.
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  That in the archives. If I, if we rerecorded that,
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  which we might do because I was back in the early years, full
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  state of the, the audio, audio equipment and what have you.
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  And I thought about it afterwards.
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  Like I don't think Batman from 89 is a very good movie.
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  You made that point, I think, clear, but you think it's going
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  to come out a little harsher? Than I think I think it would.
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  I think I think it's mass. This is why we're not going
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  back. I guess not, but yeah, masked by
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  the visuals and Tim Burtons inarguable creativity and
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  ability to build a world that I'm not going to argue.
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  No, I appreciate you using the word inarguable.
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  I'm impressed. Thank you, I've been reading
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  books in my spare time. I would consider this my first
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  watch. Although I'm sure I watched it
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  many sure many years ago, but when I'm watching it now I'm
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  like I don't remember anything. So I think we can qualify it as
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  a first watch. That's fair.
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  And seconds of course. Of course.
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  Lots of notes to pick apart this movie.
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  Just kidding. I definitely felt different
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  about this movie versus the 1st. Exciting.
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  Well, maybe it's worse. Fair, fair.
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  I mean, IMDb says this was just a little bit underneath the the
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  original. Sure, we're talking 7.5 to a 7.1
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  means nothing means nothing. What does this movie be?
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  An Apple .6 to a pomegranate .4 fruit.
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  That's how little it matters. So.
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  Arbitrary was I can tell fruit matters nothing to you, that's
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  for sure. More of a poutine kind of guy
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  from from the footage over. Here, that's why I will never go
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  to YouTube. This headshots, 2 headshots even
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  then maybe 4 heads yeah, yeah, I mean questionable too.
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  When I started eating the grilled cheeses and the
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  poutines, it goes to my neck, so we'd have to have it like nose
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  up that's. Just our eyes.
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  Well, basically we're recorded bat cowls.
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  We'll have the Batman mask. Kirby is bad as a close up of
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  the Penguin. That's very true.
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  Could be worse. Could have blood coming from our
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  noses. Phillip.
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  Please give me three things, OK? I want to know why this movie?
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  Yeah, I want to know why this movie now.
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  And I want to know a little bit of your history of it.
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  And that's about it. That's OK, that's true.
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  We nailed. It could I guess that one of
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  them to the wine now though, please, just if you don't mind,
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  indulge me please. The production manager of this
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  film is Ian Bryce. Is it the Bryce you want to go
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  try Bryce? We had no way out with the Bryce
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  sneakers with a Brice and off camera.
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  In this case, of course, we have Ian.
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  Bryson going below the line here.
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  I did dig deep. I didn't see it till the very
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  end of the movie. Going through the credits, I'm
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  like, oh, another bride, another price.
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  Thought that was funny. But in all seriousness, Phil,
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  you could just for a moment, please.
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  Tell me, you know, in this case there are two things, three
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  things maybe that are working in its favor.
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  The 1st is I wanted to revisit Batman because I love this
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  series. The second is that recently I
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  had gone to a orchestral evening of song I heard dedicated to the
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  music of Danny Elfman. And going through all of those
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  scores and obviously thinking about the Tim Burton movies that
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  most of them are culled from, Yes, got me thinking about that
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  collaboration and wanting to revisit one of those movies,
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  whatever it was. I thought about Edward
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  Scissorhands. Uh huh.
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  Yeah, I was on this very short list, but in the end I pivoted
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  it because now that Halloween is over.
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  Snow. And now that Remembrance Day is
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  over, it's all about the Christmas vibe, the snow and
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  that kind of business. So this movie hitting all those
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  elements, OK. And it's a movie I love, I adore
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  before, but I, I loved it from the minute I saw it.
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  And I was 12 or 13 years old, so I was primed Batman territory
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  here. Yeah, you're you are not me.
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  I'm a little older and more wiser and mature.
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  You're you're right at. That I was 10 years old when
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  Batman came out and I told you that movie changed my life when
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  I was a kid. I was just a lifelong Batman fan
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  since. Collectible all the stuff,
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  that's the toy age, right? Would you say 100% getting not
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  just generic toys to keep you busy in a corner, but you're
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  getting things that you like? That's right, I just.
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  I couldn't get enough of this series.
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  More toys. Batmobile Bat.
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  Caves, All of it. None of it.
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  None of it. I don't know.
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  Superhero stuff in general. Hmm, which is interesting.
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  I don't know why. Seems odd as it does seem odd.
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  I mean, you're in the country, maybe it sticks and.
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  Let's remember though, this movie is probably in the eyes of
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  my parents a little bit. Too.
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  Yeah, suppose it could be a. Little so if you if it's PG13,
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  whatever it is they're going to knock off about.
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  The question because I think there's elements of this movie,
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  might agree as we get on. Parents clearly disagree.
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  Yeah, they defaulted. But I can make my own decisions
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  now though, and I'll let you know what I think.
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  Yeah, please. That I'm all growed up.
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  So yeah, so that's it. I just really wanted to revisit
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  the movie and bring you along for the ride.
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  So I sometimes appreciate it. Yeah, well, sometimes I do.
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  I mean, it's a it's real roll the dice.
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  You know, you, you really threw me for a curveball last week
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  when you come out raving about passion.
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  Dale was passionate. You are very passionate about
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  passionate Dale. So I'll give you my thoughts and
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  feelings throughout the movie and you will also share if you.
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  That's kind of the job at. This it is, and see if you've
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  lost any lust for the film or if it's even gained some, which is
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  always a possibility with you. You are a wild card, Sir.
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  Officially a joker, if you will. Would you like to share with us
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  what I Am BD's take on the movie?
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  Is I'm going to give it to you straight, please do.
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  This synopsis, of course, comes courtesy of Old Faithful We have
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  here. While Batman deals with a
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  deformed man calling himself the Penguin, reeking habit across
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  Gotham with the help of a cruel businessman, a female employee
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  of the latter becomes the Catwoman with her own vendetta.
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  That's too much. I don't want socks.
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  It's so bad. I hate that.
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  I don't love it. I mean, sure, all of that is
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  accurate, but it's lengthy and it's obnoxious.
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  It's wordy. I don't read these obviously
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  beforehand just because that's just asking for it.
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  Same as the trailer, you're asking for trouble totally
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  afterwards if you want to kind of check it out and.
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  See, like watching a trailer afterwards, because sometimes
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  scenes that weren't in the movie or alternate cuts that were in
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  the movie, Yeah, you're like, oh, I didn't see that.
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  That was a different. Yeah, thread or passion?
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  Dale was like, oh man, this is action that takes place mostly
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  in Belgium. Exactly.
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  Alright, Phil. Well, thank you for that.
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  You're welcome. You mentioned it was directed by
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  Tim Burton, obviously. Burton obviously, and Elfman is
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  a Burton boy. Yes, they have a lot.
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  Of he's done other movies, obviously we've talked about him
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  with a simple plan where he did with Sam Raimi, but yes, he's
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  very synonymous with Tim Burton for.
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  Sure, I know if you mentioned the writer Daniel Waters.
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  Daniel Waters. He did the Hudson Hawk
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  screenplay. Yeah, questionable, but it's
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  your boy so. It's on my shelf.
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  I had a request to cover that movie really a few years ago and
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  I haven't did Bruce himself. Give you a call, I don't think
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  he would know your number. No, so that's what I know him
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  from. But I know from Demolition Man,
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  my friend, OK, that's a phenomenal movie made the year
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  after this. I believe I'm.
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  Free. So he was bringing out all the
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  hits. He's also a great podcast guest.
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  Is he OK? He's willing to talk about, he's
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  willing to talk about his movies in a very like non.
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  Kevin Bacon way. What's coming, Bacon?
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  Do he won't talk about. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  He's embarrassed. He's embarrassed of it.
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  That's right. No, he will own up to sort of
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  the movies that maybe weren't hits or whatever.
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  On. That's good.
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  That's a. Good quality.
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  Also wrote Heathers just that I'd which is a cult favorite.
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  Never heard of it. Is it about two women, both
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  named? Heather, it's about 3:00, and
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  it's a group of women in high school called, oh, they're the
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  Heathers, and there's a little murder in there and Winona Ryder
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  OK Christian Slater I've never watched all of it.
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  I don't know why because it fits the bill, but it just came and
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  went in a window and I just never went.
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  Back this year like peak nodding years.
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  No, it just came out in the early, late 80s, early 90s and I
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  saw a trailer and I love Winona Ryder back then, but I just,
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  she's done a Shannon Doherty was in it as well.
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  Oh well, come on. But yeah, just never got around
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  to it. Love Doherty.
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  Well, Philip, I think at this point we can just get right into
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  this film. Batman Returns 1992.
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  That's right. I told you we've done a lot of
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  92. Yeah, check.
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  The spreadsheet and I'm thinking to myself, other than my parents
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  not really wanting me to see it, I think what I did see that year
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  was Sister Act. Oh.
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  Yeah, that's what I was doing. That's right up your alley.
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  I guess. And yeah, love nuts.
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  Big fan of nuns. You're on the record.
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  We'll have nothing. I love that movie.
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  I love that movie back in the Oh yeah.
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  And I also like the sequel back in the habit.
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  That's. Clever.
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  Good writing, Elaine. But yeah, I definitely did see
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  that in the theatre. So jokes aside, that might have
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  been the case. Very well.
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  We're going to see this, and this is our one movie of 92
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  again. I'm back in the boonies.
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  I'm out in the. Boonies, right?
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  And now that you're a city boy, you still go about once a.
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  Year, if I'm lucky, if I'm lucky, it gets talked about
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  more, but the actual action, it's the struggle.
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  Yeah, sure, homebody. I went to see the new
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  Springsteen. Movie Oh yes, I saw the trailer
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  trailer for the preview on my I didn't go looking for it came up
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  on my. Streaming service that will not
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  be named. I hated it really.
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  Yeah, you will get into it later, but I hate it.
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  I mean, we can get into now, but.
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  I'm just trying to remember. You are.
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  Yeah, you do love Bruce. Absolutely.
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  I was very excited. You're.
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  Bruce, I'm a bond, you know what I mean?
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  A bond. Bon Jovi Ohk.
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  OK, I'm definitely not a bond. No, definitely not.
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  No. You're the other other Jersey
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  boy, yes? Well, I did not know Bruce was
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  from Jersey Park. OK, good shout out to Jersey.
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  That's right. And the movie theatres.
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  Go see movies. Folks, go see movies.
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  That's right. Don't do as I say, not as I do.
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  And do it Phil does not what he says, because he says a lot of
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  stupid shit. Alright.
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  Believe me, you don't even hear half of it.
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  That's right, all the albums and us.
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  Jesus, Louise. Sneakers.
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  I know we just sometimes because we recency bias will compare it
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  to a previous movie we just done, but this takes place about
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  30 years in the past. Yes, yeah, it does it.
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  Does 33 years to be exact before we really get into the present
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  day Gotham? Yes.
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  OK, it's also 33 years from today.
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  Sure. That the movie came out. 19-O is
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  it? Oh.
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  Well, 32 years. Ago, that is pretty close.
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  That would be 2020 four 92 + 3233.
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  Oh yeah, 33. Yeah, you're right.
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  You are right. OK, so did you think that's what
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  I was? Referring.
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  I wondered what you were referring to because the way you
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  phrased that was speaking more about current time rather than
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  what we're about to watch is 33 years before I mistook what
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  happens in the movie, which was 33 years ago from today.
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  I got confused. Have issues with tenses.
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  Yes, and your time guys. So it gets all fucked.
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  That's the irony. Now you think I would get that?
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  Straight. It was turned around by the.
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  Way open that. Particular sentence we open in
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  a. Flashback We open in a
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  flashback. We need to set up the origin
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  story of the Penguins, which we'll find out has a name.
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  Yeah, we're not going to spoil that case.
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  You haven't seen it? Yes, yes.
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  Now I have a question around origin stories, right?
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  Like this superhero thing at the time.
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  This is what we do, right? Like in Batman, we open with the
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  movie, we open with a parent getting robbed and then
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  throughout the movie we see his flashback to what happened to
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  his parents. And that's a movies superhero
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  trope that all of them did. Superman did it exactly.
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  And in modern years they've showed that and they went a
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  little bit more into we're just doing it.
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  The new Superman movie that came out this year, in fact, was just
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  doing no origin. Just get in there.
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  It's the world is already as it is.
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  And if I can find something disappointing about the movie
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  right away, conceptually, not not in the in the actual
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  realization of it, but conceptually, OK, I think you've
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  got a 2 hour window to to tell the story.
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  And what you do is you spend 10 or 15 prepping the Penguin
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  story. We spend 10 or 15 setting up the
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  Michelle Catwoman. Stillman yeah, that's true.
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  That's that's 1/2 an hour. It's 20 to 30 minutes.
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  It's a quarter of your movie in origin.
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  Explains the two hour plus. And then you've also got a sort
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  of circle. You gotta.
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  Yeah, but you also have to finalize that movie and finish
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  whatever those characters are. So you're really only dealing
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  with an hour. Oh yeah, of proper story.
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  It does sort of lead to, like certain other things in the
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  movie, feeling rushed, and we'll get into that a little bit
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  later. But so, setting up this
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  introduction of the Penguin character, the baby to Paul
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  Rubens, did you catch Pee-wee's? Didn't adventure, not until I
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  read the credits. I thought I recognized the
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  maybe. And the woman is Diane Salinger.
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  Course, I only bring it up because she was in Pee-wee's
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  Playhouse. OK, so that's the connective
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  tissue that I don't know if you like it anymore.
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  I just do it anyway. I love it.
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  Connective tissues. I live for it.
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  But right away you're like, this is a Tim Burton movie.
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  The darkness of it, the contrast.
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  If you just can't afford lights, he spends how much money on
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  other things. Like I don't have a budget for
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  lighting so this movie is going to be dark.
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  Very dark. I like it.
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  I like the monochromatic kind of again, because it's winter,
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  because it's got that white contrast and that's.
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  Always nice. It's beautiful shots.
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  Beautiful cinematography. Everything about it is great.
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  Yeah. This movie is looking good right
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  from the get go. Like a 92 about roughly 3233
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  years later. I was pretty impressed out of
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  the gate. In that regard, it's really
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  impressive. And so we're watching this
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  happen and they're displeased with their baby.
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  You gotta see the baby. You gotta gotta go see the baby.
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  In this instance, maybe you don't, baby.
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  Yeah, take that ugly. And they are so ugly that they
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  have to dispense. Of it, it's not breathtaking.
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  No, no, it's different context. And yeah, they throw the baby,
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  the carriage, the pram, the whole thing over overboard.
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  And this is your title sequence. Yeah.
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  And if you remember the first movie, The title sequence goes
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  through what we think is almost like a bat cave, only to reveal
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  the Batman logo. And here we have basically just
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  following this carriage through the through the sewer.
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  The system. Through this Arctic world
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  amusement park. Have you been?
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  No, but it was on the list. Doesn't end so well that
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  particular part. But no, damn shame the insurance
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  I'm sure. But yeah, I thought the opening
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  sequence with the music obviously of.
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  Beautiful score, I think even better than the first.
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  One no saxophone. Missed opportunity?
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  Don't think so. One thing that's.
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  Missing. I don't think I've really said
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  if I am or I'm not a Tim Burton. Fan.
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  We've done a lot of his movie. We've done a couple most.
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  Really. No.
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  This is our fourth, maybe our fifth company.
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  Other directors, have we done four or five of check the
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  spreadsheet? There's so much to tell you
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  that's true because I I'm more of a this actor 17 times.
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  But Bruce would work with anybody, so.
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  Yeah, you know what I mean, So. I've done a couple mores, I do
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  know that. For sure we did a couple of
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  miners by accident. Yeah.
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  So it's hard to say. But we've done a fair amount.
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  This is I think our 4th or. 5th That's very possible, Phillip,
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  and I'm sure there's. More to come.
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  So are you, are you, are you free to say?
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  No, actually I'm not. He told me to zip it.
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  There's things I like about Burton films and there's things
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  I don't like. And this classic Dave answer,
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  that's all that. But I'll tell you what I do
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  like, please, and what I don't like.
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  Not right now, as it comes up. As it comes up naturally.
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  Sure, in the film. Did you like this title
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  sequence? Generally.
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  Yes, there's not much to it. There's not much to it, but.
• 18:47
  I like the imagery. Of that, yeah.
• 18:48
  Absolutely, and he's effectively adopted by these Penguins.
• 18:52
  Yeah, I guess from Arctic world, yeah.
• 18:54
  They're one of his, one of his own.
• 18:55
  Yeah, I mean, this movie, what you're going to need to do is
• 18:58
  just accept it on its terms. You have to check Reality at the
• 19:02
  Door. It's kind of a movie.
• 19:04
  Yeah, that's what we're and I'm fine with that.
• 19:06
  You're usually very receptive to that.
• 19:07
  We've been watching Friday the 13th and you've been more or
• 19:09
  less accepting of the circumstances.
• 19:11
  This is it. So.
• 19:12
  If you're basing it on a comic book, then you have to play by
• 19:15
  those rules. And although I will say the
• 19:18
  portrayal of the Penguin in this movie is considerably different
• 19:24
  than in The Batman from 2022. There's a TV series and what
• 19:30
  have you played by the great Colin Farrell.
• 19:31
  Yeah. Shout out to our one of our
• 19:33
  number one listeners. Also, Burgess Meredith played
• 19:36
  him in the 66 TV series. There you go of.
• 19:39
  Rocky fame, you played Mickey. So I will ask you this at the
• 19:42
  end of the episode or roughly in the last quarter.
• 19:44
  So be ready. I'm going to ask you what you
• 19:47
  prefer more, more grounded in reality or more like this.
• 19:52
  And I'm excited. So state of the end, stay to the
• 19:56
  end, I will. We go from the Penguin to the
• 20:05
  cat. We jump up to Shreks.
• 20:07
  Oh, we do. Don't we meet Christopher
• 20:09
  Walken's character Max? Shrek, Max Shrek and his
• 20:12
  secretary Selena, Kyle and assistant.
• 20:15
  That's right. Come on, have some respect.
• 20:17
  And I think he's fantastic in this movie.
• 20:20
  Christopher Walken. I think the character is fine,
• 20:22
  but I don't think that there's a particular reason when you've
• 20:25
  got Catwoman and the Penguin as villains that you've also got
• 20:30
  this other villain to top it off.
• 20:33
  I think it's a little top heavy for that kind of reality.
• 20:37
  I'm gonna push back on that, please, because I think it's
• 20:41
  just not gonna quite work. If you have a triangle, you
• 20:45
  wanna make a square. OK.
• 20:48
  He's the 4th point of that square.
• 20:50
  It might be a rectangle, actually, but my point is, it's
• 20:54
  four. Uh huh.
• 20:55
  OK, yeah, if you just have the Penguin and Catwoman and what's
• 21:00
  his name? Batman.
• 21:01
  That's right, yes, he returned in.
• 21:02
  This you might run into some trouble, so I think it's a
• 21:05
  safety net to help tell the story possibly.
• 21:08
  OK, one of the things I felt when I was younger, when I first
• 21:12
  saw it was that there wasn't enough Batman.
• 21:14
  Oh, OK, right. And in looking at it now, as
• 21:18
  much as I appreciate Christopher Walkins performance, I think,
• 21:20
  like I said, this might be one of my favorite Christopher
• 21:23
  Walken performances. That's like, I think he's I
• 21:27
  think he's so good in this movie.
• 21:28
  Yes, yeah. And I think the character is so
• 21:30
  fun, but I'm thinking it still takes away a lot of Batman time.
• 21:37
  He's almost not on the screen. And I don't know that I would
• 21:39
  change it, but I would like this movie to be 2 1/2 hours so that
• 21:43
  there's more time. OK, you want more time?
• 21:46
  I just want more Batman to be a part of the Batman movie.
• 21:50
  I think it's better told as an ensemble they're all in it
• 21:54
  together equally and it puts less pressure on Batman Michael
• 21:58
  Keaton to perform. I'm sure he appreciated his like
• 22:01
  the paycheck stays the same. So, Christopher.
• 22:03
  Walken and takes a little bit of the weight off shoulders sure of
• 22:06
  the rest of the crew and I don't think you appreciate him for
• 22:08
  that. I appreciate him fine, I just
• 22:10
  don't know that it's the right call thematically if not
• 22:14
  performance wise. I love him in this and this
• 22:16
  introduction is great when he's bouncing his weight around
• 22:20
  trying to sell a power plant to the mayor.
• 22:23
  They clearly don't need. It exactly.
• 22:24
  That's the impression I got. Absolutely.
• 22:27
  So they bring him down and we get the first wave of Christmas
• 22:31
  joy. Which is hard to find in Gotham.
• 22:33
  Absolutely, but they're coming down to light the tree.
• 22:36
  They have these big pillars. Very gorgeous.
• 22:38
  I love the set design in Tim Burton movies in particular.
• 22:41
  I love his Gotham so much. He is possibly one of the best
• 22:45
  in set design, if not the best. He's definitely got a vision and
• 22:48
  he hires the right people to do that, to translate that it's.
• 22:52
  Incredible. I imagine he uses a lot of the
• 22:54
  same. People I believe he shot it also
• 22:56
  in London. Not positive but he shot the
• 23:00
  first one in London. So is he British?
• 23:01
  No, OK, no, he just need big stage in Pinewood is a big.
• 23:05
  Stage Pinewood is huge. Michelle Pfeiffer.
• 23:07
  This is her first real introduction as just a regular.
• 23:11
  Absolutely woman. A gorgeous secretary.
• 23:15
  I guess yeah, she's not a bad. Looker.
• 23:17
  I mean, they kind of obviously dressed her down a little bit in
• 23:19
  this movie, trying to make Michelle Pfeiffer frumpy as a
• 23:21
  challenge, but yeah. Bit of a bit of a stutter tour.
• 23:23
  She just. Little lack of confidence.
• 23:25
  Yeah, lack of confidence, Absolutely.
• 23:27
  But she does make great coffee. That's right, she hasn't been
• 23:30
  house broken yet. No, it's what he says too.
• 23:32
  That's true, but she makes a good cup of coffee.
• 23:34
  Which is pretty impressive considering she is a corn dog
• 23:38
  she calls herself. That.
• 23:41
  Have you ever been called a corn?
• 23:42
  Dog. No.
• 23:43
  Have you ever eaten a corn dog? I love corn dog jam.
• 23:46
  Yeah. It's been awhile.
• 23:47
  Sure, you could call it a Pogo, but that's the brand.
• 23:51
  Yeah, it's like the whole Kleenex of the corn dog world.
• 23:53
  Course. Yeah, but yeah, very bad for.
• 23:55
  You. Yeah, Not great.
• 23:56
  I don't really like the Selena Kyle character.
• 24:00
  I'm happy when it evolves. It does change even outside of
• 24:05
  the Catwoman Selina does, obviously, but.
• 24:09
  Selena, as she's introduced here, yeah, I mean, it's the
• 24:12
  point she's supposed to be. As much as possible neurotic.
• 24:16
  Bland. Yeah, a corn dog.
• 24:19
  Silly, goofy, whatever. But a little.
• 24:22
  Goes a long way, and the nice thing is that this particular
• 24:24
  version of her is little. Like there's not a lot of time
• 24:27
  spent on her. Which I think is good because I
• 24:29
  agree. I was like.
• 24:31
  She's left to clean up because they all have to get down to
• 24:33
  light the Christmas tree. As I said earlier, this is a
• 24:36
  Christmas movie. With Michael Keaton say that
• 24:39
  that Batman 2, Batman two, I can do.
• 24:41
  That sure, absolutely establish the rules.
• 24:44
  Would he say that this is a Christmas movie?
• 24:46
  I don't know that he would say it.
• 24:47
  He doesn't really seem to like, I mean, now he's a little bit
• 24:50
  more open, but he was in the Kevin Bacon camp.
• 24:52
  Ohv. He was like, I don't want to
• 24:54
  talk about that man now for years, like decades.
• 24:57
  Huh, Interesting. When they released the box set
• 24:59
  back in the day, Keaton didn't participate.
• 25:02
  They interviewed Nicholson. They interviewed DeVito,
• 25:04
  Pfeiffer, Burton, Elfman. All the usual grew, but Keaton
• 25:10
  refused to to participate. Yeah, Nicholson, but can't get
• 25:13
  Keaton. I find that.
• 25:13
  Strange just didn't want to talk about Batman.
• 25:15
  Now since then he's donned the Cape again and was in the Flash
• 25:21
  a few years ago, which was garbage movie, but he was back
• 25:24
  in the Batman suit so there is a little I think softening.
• 25:28
  You think it's because he just got tired of being Batman?
• 25:31
  Like, yeah, like, I've done so many other great things and he
• 25:35
  has. Yes, we can both.
• 25:36
  Attest to that. I love him.
• 25:37
  I I think it's partly that it's also, you know, he's like, I
• 25:40
  didn't do much, particularly in this movie.
• 25:43
  Right. I was barely in the movie.
• 25:45
  I'm not gonna. Do this didn't do much here.
• 25:46
  So so maybe that's part of it too.
• 25:48
  OK, well, so we had our first like kind of Christmas thing,
• 25:51
  which I love and Christopher Walkins intonations is the stuff
• 25:56
  of legend, right? People like doing their
• 25:58
  invitations. Yeah, absolutely.
• 25:59
  And he's gotta wing this speech. That's right, forgot the damn
• 26:02
  speech. Whose fault is that?
• 26:04
  What's her face? Yeah, Yeah, Selena.
• 26:06
  So he gets up there and he says the word bubbles.
• 26:10
  That's a great accent. Absolutely.
• 26:12
  But it basically gets ravaged the the city.
• 26:15
  This is the first action type of situation they attack tree and
• 26:20
  unprovoked. Absolutely the big.
• 26:23
  The big gifts. Kind of rolls into the since the
• 26:25
  town hall. Here not my.
• 26:26
  Work. No, they're confused to.
• 26:29
  What it is, Yeah, my favorite part was the guy just flying
• 26:32
  into the Christmas. Tree.
• 26:33
  Oh yeah, yeah. What I did notice at this point
• 26:35
  in the movie though, the difference between Burtons
• 26:38
  Batmans and Christopher Nolans Vons, like all the other stuff,
• 26:43
  was the world is very neat. It's a neat, very creative
• 26:50
  world. However, for me it feels really
• 26:52
  contained and this is the first time I felt like I could almost
• 26:56
  see the four walls. Of this set exactly.
• 27:01
  Think that's Pinewood? Yeah, exactly.
• 27:04
  And it's not really a knock, it's an observation.
• 27:08
  I mean, Schumacher kind of carries over that same vibe in
• 27:11
  his Forever and Batman and Robin.
• 27:14
  But yeah, it definitely deviated into a more and we did the bad
• 27:17
  man. Yeah, we did.
• 27:18
  Yeah, in that one. It's an open world, right?
• 27:20
  Yeah, like it's all grounded, right?
• 27:22
  Nolan brought it in, that sort of thing.
• 27:24
  They make Gotham, but they shoot it in Pittsburgh, they shoot in
• 27:26
  Chicago, they shoot it in a real cities.
• 27:29
  As opposed to this, which is I think more in line with the
• 27:32
  comic book, artificial heightened reality kind of
• 27:37
  thing. Sure, but Batman as a character,
• 27:40
  you can do either. I think that's been proven
• 27:42
  right. I think that's like the trade
• 27:44
  off. Totally.
• 27:45
  And I'm OK with both if the other elements of the movie are
• 27:48
  there. Totally.
• 27:49
  Story performances usual. Really, I mean other than
• 27:54
  obviously we did big fish. It's actually I think we've done
• 27:57
  fine. We did big fish and there's a
• 28:00
  lot of big sets in that. Even though some of it is set in
• 28:02
  the real world, it's obviously a heightened real world and that I
• 28:06
  just think it's his sensibilities, whereas Nolan is
• 28:08
  about making things grounded in. Reality.
• 28:11
  I don't like him. It can't stand Nola.
• 28:15
  So it is just a testament to each filmmaker's distinct style,
• 28:20
  right Batman? Movies can do it all, buddy.
• 28:21
  Yeah, you really get a good sense of it.
• 28:23
  That's the take away. And you get great directors
• 28:25
  doing it. I mean, I don't like the
• 28:26
  Schumacher movies. But nobody does.
• 28:27
  Apparently he did, I think, although one of the great
• 28:31
  special features on the commentary track for Famine
• 28:33
  Robin is mostly him apologizing. I haven't seen it, but I heard
• 28:37
  Clooney's the least. Terrible everything about them.
• 28:40
  It's terrible, everything. About it.
• 28:43
  We'll get there. We'll get there, get it done.
• 28:46
  It's got to be done sooner or later.
• 28:47
  That's right. We also get an introduction
• 28:49
  around this time to a few familiar faces, Phillip and I'm
• 28:53
  just going to spew it all out now, please.
• 28:55
  I'm going to get over with Band-Aid.
• 28:57
  RIP it off. I know as much as you appreciate
• 28:59
  it, as the listeners do as well. Number one, we have twisters,
• 29:02
  Sean Whalen. Oh yes, of course the.
• 29:05
  Newspaper guy? Yes, I'm sure you recognized
• 29:07
  him, probably from something else.
• 29:09
  Great face. We have Chip, He's from Hudson
• 29:14
  Hawk, which is the connective tissue to Daniel Waters being
• 29:18
  the screenplay writer such. Yeah.
• 29:20
  And he's a face I've seen in a couple of things as well.
• 29:23
  The one that you probably recognize the most was Vincent
• 29:27
  Schiavelli. Of course, we chatted about him
• 29:28
  a few weeks. Ago we did and I completely
• 29:31
  forgot about that because like, Oh well, he was in Star Trek
• 29:33
  Next Generation, he was in MacGyver goes.
• 29:35
  It hits your sweet spot. You've already pallets.
• 29:38
  Yeah, you're already spent and this need to go any deeper.
• 29:42
  Then there's two more, OK, one I knew and one I didn't until I
• 29:45
  looked it up. This one I did not know.
• 29:48
  We have Gregory Scott Cummins who played Acrobat Thug One.
• 29:54
  OHS prestigious. And what I'm going through the
• 29:56
  credits, I I recognized his photo is generic photo whatever
• 30:01
  when they choose, it could be 21, they could be 58 Bosch.
• 30:06
  There it is. And he's in all of them.
• 30:08
  Like, he just plays that funny side.
• 30:10
  No, no, as a funny side character, he's always doing odd
• 30:14
  jobs for them. And all the series, even the
• 30:15
  spinoffs, he's fantastic. And the one I'm very proud of,
• 30:20
  very proud of, when I saw his face actually in the credits was
• 30:23
  Anthony De Longis. I'm sure you know who I'm
• 30:27
  talking. About I know his cousin Anthony
• 30:29
  to shortest. Funny guy.
• 30:33
  See what I mean, folks? The shitty says he played
• 30:37
  terrifying clown #2 he's a stunt guy, Sure.
• 30:42
  When I saw his face, I'm like, you were this guy in MacGyver.
• 30:46
  And I looked it up just to confirm because I'm thinking
• 30:48
  it's not him. This is this is about to play
• 30:50
  this guy #2 or was it just, no, he was an assassin.
• 30:53
  OK, I played actually two different characters in
• 30:55
  MacGyver. That sometimes happens, happens,
• 30:57
  of course, back in those 80s, shows you gotta love.
• 31:01
  So I was really happy to have short list of recognizable as in
• 31:05
  the movie as this is a 92. So it's right in our.
• 31:08
  Sweet spot. Absolutely.
• 31:10
  Absolutely. Another guy that is fun to call
• 31:12
  out. I don't know if you recognized
• 31:14
  him in this. I know him from Batman.
• 31:20
  The last. The last one.
• 31:21
  Yeah. Pat Hingle.
• 31:23
  Dingle, He's done a few things. Yeah, absolutely.
• 31:25
  But I yeah, yeah, yeah, he's Commissioner Gordon.
• 31:27
  Yeah. And he says, what are you
• 31:29
  waiting for? The signal.
• 31:30
  The signal. And here we get the introduction
• 31:33
  of Bruce Wayne. Yeah.
• 31:35
  Now I love this scene and I love the moment.
• 31:39
  I love the shot, I love the darkness, I love everything
• 31:41
  about it, but it's a little bit weird.
• 31:44
  It is weird, I have written down here Bruce just sitting there
• 31:48
  like David Putty, if you remember from Seinfeld, he's
• 31:52
  just staring off into nothing. He's looking more pensive than
• 31:55
  Putty is, of course. He's got his hand on his chin.
• 31:58
  He's doing more. He's.
• 31:59
  Thinking, but he's not a thinker.
• 32:01
  No. He's just stares into
• 32:02
  nothingness. Yeah, yeah.
• 32:04
  But yeah, it's oddly stood out. Yeah, it's just a weird
• 32:06
  introduction. It's like his guys whole life at
• 32:08
  this point it's just sitting in a just wait for the addict I
• 32:11
  guess. Waiting for the call.
• 32:12
  The call. No Internet back then.
• 32:14
  Really, I guess you know what I mean.
• 32:15
  But anyway, I like the way light reflects off and comes through
• 32:18
  the window. He stands up low angle shot like
• 32:22
  this really hero look. So he's a hero.
• 32:25
  As silly as it may be for him to just be in this room, it's worth
• 32:30
  it for that sequence of shots to.
• 32:32
  Me, I think it would been even sillier if he was doing a
• 32:35
  puzzle, you know, I mean trying to find those corner.
• 32:38
  Pieces and like, just give me a yeah, I'm in the middle of
• 32:41
  something. Here Western.
• 32:43
  Blue Lake, that's true. So as a result, because he's now
• 32:46
  been alerted to it, of course we get the Batmobile, my favorite
• 32:51
  movie vehicle of all time. Not much competition really.
• 32:55
  Superman didn't drive license, that's true.
• 32:58
  It's incredible. And he's coming into town.
• 33:01
  Shrek is hiding and. Yeah, the Sun stood up for him.
• 33:05
  Like, get away, dad. Good for Chip?
• 33:07
  Yeah, yeah. Just go.
• 33:08
  Just go. Yeah, You gotta respect that.
• 33:11
  I don't know if you do it for your father.
• 33:12
  I don't know if I do it for mine.
• 33:14
  It's hard to. Tell but the Batmobiles in
• 33:16
  action, and with it comes some casualties.
• 33:20
  I found this interesting. I thought you might I want to
• 33:22
  talk a little bit about. It, I don't recall, and maybe it
• 33:25
  did happen. Batman killing anybody in the
• 33:29
  original or in any of the series.
• 33:31
  I'm sure it happened, yeah. I think in the first one there's
• 33:34
  a couple of moments where it could have happened, but I don't
• 33:36
  think specifically it's a thing. Whereas in Nolan's Batman it's
• 33:40
  expressly a thing. We do not, I will not kill
• 33:44
  anybody. There you.
• 33:45
  Go. But this one, he kills a few
• 33:47
  people, does a few people, he burns.
• 33:49
  The guy alive. Yeah, and for pleasure, it
• 33:52
  seems. Well, he's a pretty elaborate
• 33:54
  way to do it. You're blowing fire at me.
• 33:55
  Two can play that game. Exactly.
• 33:57
  Cheeky. It was absolutely.
• 33:58
  Yeah, it's a malicious that I wouldn't have expected.
• 34:02
  You think you know somebody. Throws those clowns that are on
• 34:04
  him shooting, they throw them into a burning toy store.
• 34:07
  Oh, that's true. Too.
• 34:08
  So I mean, ultimately there's a couple of casualties right off.
• 34:10
  The bat right off the bat, which?
• 34:12
  Didn't sit well with me. I felt it fine.
• 34:16
  I felt better than they. Did they're the bad guys?
• 34:18
  Yeah, exactly. And as the weather drops, you're
• 34:20
  going to want a little heat. That's true.
• 34:22
  You doing them a favor, right? And in all this chaos, Selena is
• 34:27
  there. She's out on the streets, as you
• 34:29
  know. Yeah, she went down to get him
• 34:31
  his speech. Yeah.
• 34:32
  So she's in harm's way, Phillip. Yeah.
• 34:34
  Luckily our boy Batman is there because a gentleman, not a
• 34:37
  gentlemen's. Probably being a little bit too
• 34:39
  nice. Woman, not a small man.
• 34:42
  Exactly has her board less hostage.
• 34:44
  Yeah, grabs her for safety. Yeah, like it's Batman.
• 34:48
  And it almost works because you have this moment where Batman
• 34:51
  reaches into his utility belt. Which is what you.
• 34:53
  Do grabs A grappling hook of some.
• 34:56
  Sort misses. Misses like a stormtrooper.
• 34:59
  That's right. And the guy calls him and he
• 35:00
  says, you missed. And then, of course, pulls it.
• 35:05
  Concrete comes off the wall, hits him in the back of the
• 35:07
  head, knocks him out. Now that is a kind of a
• 35:09
  throwaway moment in this movie. Yeah, I didn't think much of it.
• 35:13
  However. I mean plausibility I.
• 35:14
  Thought about it is my most favorite memory of the Batman
• 35:18
  return Super Nintendo game OK, which was a brawler that Capcom
• 35:23
  put out great sprites looks great beautiful.
• 35:26
  If you're ever have a chance to watch it on YouTube, it just
• 35:28
  looks incredible. OK and you're basically just
• 35:30
  punching your way through Gotham City set to the movie.
• 35:32
  And at that moment, if you don't do anything, you just fight them
• 35:36
  fisticuffs got you. But as that scene begins, huh.
• 35:39
  You could fire your grappling hook and hit the wall, press a
• 35:44
  button and get him hit in the back of the head and it depletes
• 35:47
  a bunch of his health bar and then you can go fisticuffs.
• 35:50
  So it was a little like Easter egg.
• 35:52
  Yeah, that if you've never seen the movie, you wouldn't have
• 35:54
  caught, of course. So it was always like, this is
• 35:56
  one of my favorite little Easter eggy things in any video game
• 36:00
  ever. Certainly a movie tie in.
• 36:01
  I was just like, that's so much. Fun.
• 36:02
  You got memory burned with Batman.
• 36:05
  You can't compete. With that, it was like formative
• 36:08
  back in the day. Tasers were really big in 90 to
• 36:18
  93. Yeah, everybody knows that,
• 36:20
  yeah. Prime time.
• 36:21
  Taser time. Taser time.
• 36:22
  Yeah. The woman on the plane and Die
• 36:24
  Hard 2. That's right.
• 36:26
  I did it on her dog. Yes.
• 36:28
  So that was the thing. Yeah, it was.
• 36:31
  Everybody had a Taser is a great gift.
• 36:33
  It's all the rage. What else was big in 92 was the
• 36:37
  Penguin OHS. Gripping.
• 36:43
  Bring intro. There.
• 36:45
  Yeah, we finally, it's about 20 minutes into the movie.
• 36:48
  That's correct. And Shrek drops down and we
• 36:51
  finally kind of meet the Penguin, the third party.
• 36:54
  We've met Selena, but we haven't obviously met Catwoman yet.
• 36:56
  But this is our introduction to the Penguin character.
• 36:59
  Arguably the main. Villain, I would say he
• 37:02
  definitely has the most screen time, the most character,
• 37:06
  definitely the most story. The most makeup.
• 37:08
  And certainly the most makeup. Let's start there.
• 37:10
  What are your thoughts on not knowing the Penguin character
• 37:13
  necessarily? Probably you know this and your
• 37:15
  lack of knowledge of the character and the history of it.
• 37:19
  Didn't like that tone. What are your thoughts on Danny
• 37:23
  DeVito as the Penguin? He was generally makeup wise.
• 37:27
  Let's just get into the character.
• 37:28
  Look more than character at this.
• 37:30
  Point Well, I think he was born for the role.
• 37:32
  OK, I think you have somebody who happens to be the right
• 37:35
  height. I mean, that's the elephant in
• 37:39
  the room here. OK, this is this calls for a
• 37:41
  shorter person. Yes, if you've ever been around
• 37:44
  Penguins. Him or Warwick Davis.
• 37:46
  There you go. From Willow.
• 37:48
  Is that right? We're Tom Cruise.
• 37:52
  Tom Cruise. Chino any of.
• 37:53
  Those you know. Yeah.
• 37:55
  What are your thoughts on the makeup?
• 37:56
  What are your thoughts on the look of the character?
• 37:58
  Yeah, he is certainly grotesque. Yeah.
• 38:01
  And I think it still holds up in 2025 as looking at a character
• 38:05
  and not seeing OHP. The makeup.
• 38:08
  Yeah, not seeing the costume. I mean, the body look
• 38:12
  questionable. Questionable.
• 38:13
  Looks like a bunch of pillows, but I think it still plays.
• 38:17
  But the face make up, the nose, the hands, the hair, teeth, the
• 38:21
  teeth, the excess of what I want to call Mercury coming out of
• 38:24
  his mouth because he eats a lot of fish.
• 38:25
  That's what I'm going with. That's.
• 38:27
  Yeah, yeah, Darkness under his eyes.
• 38:29
  I imagine he has not had a good night's rest when I'm introduced
• 38:34
  to him. I think I'm in store for a fun
• 38:37
  ride with this character. Both performance.
• 38:39
  And the look? I adore this particular.
• 38:43
  Oh, I figured as. Much so good to me.
• 38:45
  And like you're saying, I watched it 4K like it holds up.
• 38:47
  I don't. It's crisp, the lines, let's
• 38:50
  say, and the character design and the makeup is so flawless
• 38:54
  and so distinctly Tim Burton, yet also so Penguin.
• 38:59
  Yeah, credit where credits due to not feeling nitpicky this
• 39:02
  week. I appreciate feeling.
• 39:03
  I'm actually feeling generous this week.
• 39:05
  Yeah, doing real 180. Really changing up.
• 39:08
  Yeah, I like. I just want you to know there's
• 39:10
  nothing to do who's movie it is. Just feeling good today.
• 39:13
  Feeling, feeling. Good feeling great, feeling much
• 39:16
  better than the Penguin. Yeah, certainly much better than
• 39:19
  Max Shrek. The headache.
• 39:22
  Well, wouldn't you? If you're looking at an umbrella
• 39:24
  that has the. Spiral or spiral, there you.
• 39:27
  Know what's funny about that? I thought that was a part of the
• 39:30
  plot. OK that one of his superpowers
• 39:33
  was he can hypnotize people. Was it not in a Batman movie?
• 39:37
  Or am I just getting confused with the Riddler?
• 39:40
  Maybe. You're probably getting
• 39:41
  confused, but there is a plot, I believe.
• 39:43
  I'd like the tone of that. Batman Forever, Yeah.
• 39:46
  Where if they watch television, there's something that's going
• 39:49
  to suck their brains out. OK, so it's a brainwash.
• 39:51
  There's a brain like, yeah, OK. What he does do in this moment,
• 39:55
  though, let's relationship starts to develop between Shrek
• 39:58
  and Penguins. Penguins got a mission.
• 40:00
  He's got a a plan. Yeah, and it needs Shrek to pull
• 40:04
  it off. And what are your thoughts on
• 40:06
  the convincing methodology here? Do you remember Max's partner
• 40:11
  Fred? Atkins, there you Fred Atkins.
• 40:14
  Give him a hand. Yeah, just give him a hand.
• 40:16
  This guy. Well, you gotta remember what
• 40:19
  you're trash is what gets sent down the drain is something that
• 40:24
  could be flaunted by somebody. Else's treasure.
• 40:27
  Yeah, and he has shredded papers.
• 40:30
  She has a lot of patience. Lot of time, a lot of time.
• 40:33
  Patience. Clearly, I love it.
• 40:34
  When's the you know? Dark, that's right, doesn't.
• 40:37
  Sleep a lot. Yeah, it doesn't sleep a lot,
• 40:38
  but the hand part, that's kind of fun.
• 40:40
  Yeah, I like that. I appreciate.
• 40:41
  It adds A gruesome element to this character that is
• 40:44
  traditionally been pretty funny. So as a personification of this
• 40:48
  character, to be so sinister like that, I was like, oh, we're
• 40:50
  in for something. Here, Yeah.
• 40:51
  And what I like about the Penguins character in this, and
• 40:55
  I don't know if you've noticed it, you probably did because
• 40:57
  you've watched it a few times, is the fact that he's not all
• 41:00
  out bad all the time. There's a side to him.
• 41:04
  He's confused or he's not terrible.
• 41:07
  I think he's playing all of that for the sympathy to get what he
• 41:10
  needs. But I think that the
• 41:12
  undercurrent, we've talked a number of times about fathers
• 41:15
  and sons and children, parents and like that relationship and.
• 41:18
  Penguins and clowns. Penguins and clowns, any
• 41:20
  variation within. But there is, I think, an
• 41:22
  undercurrent of I, I, that loneliness is something I could
• 41:27
  tap into. Yeah, that sadness is something
• 41:28
  I could. Tap into.
• 41:29
  I think there's depth to the character that DeVito brings to
• 41:32
  it totally. So I think.
• 41:33
  Yeah, his performance I think is excellent.
• 41:35
  Yeah, 100%. Generally speaking, I assume he
• 41:37
  won Best Supporting Actor. He did not, but I wouldn't have
• 41:40
  been surprised. Not even nominated.
• 41:42
  Well, that's bullshit, people. Shit that you call Max a
• 41:46
  monster. He is not.
• 41:47
  He might be shrewd. Shrewd, yes.
• 41:49
  He's not a monster, though. I want that to be made clear.
• 41:52
  Alright, It's a shrewd businessman.
• 41:54
  That's right, got lucky. Some poor schmo.
• 41:57
  I love walking in this movie. But I think we need to take a
• 42:00
  break from the Arctic world for now.
• 42:03
  We'll get back there. Phillip.
• 42:04
  I know, I know. You love it.
• 42:05
  I do, and this is the challenge of the movie, because now we
• 42:08
  need to set up how Catwoman becomes Catwoman.
• 42:10
  This did not take place 33 years ago.
• 42:13
  No. This is all happening now.
• 42:14
  She's going through her present day.
• 42:16
  Yeah, transformation of sorts. She got called back to the
• 42:22
  office, yes, because she forgot something, right?
• 42:25
  Yeah, she needed to prep for the Bruce Wayne.
• 42:27
  Meeting because she's an assistant.
• 42:28
  She she called herself to reminders for moving to the
• 42:33
  smart move, and she already had a pretty rough evening here.
• 42:36
  So yeah. I mean, she didn't want to go
• 42:38
  back out. She's pretty neurotic, pretty
• 42:40
  single. We find out we can't find the
• 42:42
  right guy. She's pretty self deprecating.
• 42:47
  Is she? She's that too.
• 42:48
  Yeah, I don't know. But I do know for sure though is
• 42:52
  she likes pulling files that are protected and you run a risk.
• 42:58
  You run a risk. Absolutely.
• 43:00
  She gets the password. Have you ever had a password be
• 43:02
  your dog's name or your cat's name?
• 43:04
  You're not supposed to, no. That's one of the first rules.
• 43:06
  That's the first rules of Fight Club 2.
• 43:10
  No, I'd like to think I have a more complex than that.
• 43:14
  I know pets involved, but Max, he's got a problem with that.
• 43:18
  It's not happy, No. How did you get into the
• 43:21
  protective fund? Well, yeah.
• 43:23
  How industrious this is, his legacy, this whole power plant
• 43:26
  thing. So he doesn't really want
• 43:29
  anybody else that he doesn't trust to.
• 43:31
  Know she gives the great line and the banter back and forth
• 43:35
  here is great when she says something like it's a novel
• 43:37
  approach, the way that you're actually going to be storing and
• 43:41
  taking the power away. Interesting, interesting.
• 43:44
  And she says interesting, I would say.
• 43:46
  And then he says who would you say that?
• 43:48
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, right.
• 43:50
  Next scene was one when I was 10 or 13.
• 43:53
  I was like, this is great. The the way he gets intimidating
• 43:58
  to her and the way she reacts to it.
• 44:01
  I think she's such a good actor. She isn't in this moment.
• 44:03
  This is where. I'm starting to like her.
• 44:05
  She's able to just pull into that world I love.
• 44:08
  But yeah, the sort of misdirection.
• 44:09
  And as a guy that's been watching horror movies at this
• 44:11
  time, that's what you do. You build up the tension.
• 44:14
  We've seen a number of these things, right?
• 44:15
  And you break the tension and then you.
• 44:17
  Attack. I didn't see that coming.
• 44:19
  Of course not. But it's like Alice in Part 2 of
• 44:22
  Friday 13th where the cat comes, everyone goes, oh, that was
• 44:26
  that, and then gets the spike. This was more surprising than
• 44:29
  most of the kills I saw in the Friday series, I'm sorry to say.
• 44:33
  But it also has a great line as well, right?
• 44:35
  It's not like you can just kill me.
• 44:38
  Actually, it's a lot like that. Yeah.
• 44:39
  Great line. Yeah.
• 44:40
  And the way the joke, everything about this scene I just love.
• 44:43
  And what are you? Let's go to.
• 44:46
  No way. Out we we established that was a
• 44:49
  railing. Yes, it was a railing, right?
• 44:51
  Not a lead floor. It was not a ledge.
• 44:53
  OK, allegedly it's a. Railing, and this is a window on
• 44:58
  a floor, pretty high. We're talking double digits.
• 45:01
  I would say yeah, safely, comfortably, comfortably.
• 45:05
  But she follows through something couple tarps.
• 45:08
  I don't know how much each tarp would would soften the blow.
• 45:13
  Decrease the rate of decline, of course, yes.
• 45:16
  I think it's enough. In this world, yeah, there it
• 45:20
  is. For me to say, you know what,
• 45:22
  maybe she'd make it. Yeah, Yeah.
• 45:24
  And luckily for her, even if she didn't fully make it, yeah,
• 45:28
  there's about 18 cats. What are they going to do that
• 45:31
  are you? Going to what are?
• 45:31
  They going to do Phil resuscitation.
• 45:33
  Yeah, cats can do that. I just took a first aid class.
• 45:35
  There were three cats there's. 3 cats in that one so.
• 45:39
  I mean, they're out there. On a Monday, Monday is Garfield
• 45:43
  there because he hates Mondays. He was so pissed.
• 45:47
  Off I imagine. But you know, he kind of ruined
• 45:49
  it for everybody. Yeah, he threw him out.
• 45:51
  Good. Gave him some lasagna, told him
• 45:53
  to get the fuck out. That's a win for him.
• 45:55
  So ultimately it's fine. I thought it was a little bit
• 45:59
  odd because one of the cats was almost like eating her finger.
• 46:03
  And it's not odd in the fact that's probably what a cat would
• 46:06
  do when they see a dead body. They have to eat like everybody
• 46:09
  else. And you know, especially in
• 46:10
  Gotham City, there's not a lot of food for animals of the wild.
• 46:14
  Could be, or maybe there is. I think that there's a pulse in
• 46:17
  your thumb. So I think she, the the cat was
• 46:21
  stitching. Maybe.
• 46:22
  Stitching. Yeah. close the Jerry.
• 46:24
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 46:24
  So what you learned there? Yeah.
• 46:25
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 46:27
  Either way, I'm on board. I get it.
• 46:28
  I've checked most of it at the door.
• 46:30
  You see, what's interesting to me about this is if this one is
• 46:33
  the leap because Penguin, you're sort of like birth defect,
• 46:37
  right? Like, you can.
• 46:38
  Sure. As strange as it is, it's
• 46:40
  presented as birth defect. Yeah, but I questioned putting
• 46:43
  him in a cage. Sure, don't get me wrong.
• 46:45
  Yeah, it's physical deformity or whatever else.
• 46:49
  You're like, oh, birth defect looks like a Penguin just kind
• 46:51
  of leaned into it. This is a a woman being
• 46:55
  resuscitated by a cat. That's a buy in but I love.
• 47:00
  It of course you do. You have Michelle Pfeiffer.
• 47:03
  You like cats? I like cats more than I like.
• 47:07
  Dogs. Well, you happen to.
• 47:09
  See the Dog Man movie No No Dog Woman.
• 47:12
  Hey, you like Superman, didn't you?
• 47:14
  There's a dog in it. I.
• 47:15
  Hated everything about the dog in that fucking movie.
• 47:17
  The movie didn't mind so much but the dogs.
• 47:19
  Suck damn dog. But yeah, Phillip, I think you
• 47:23
  move past it. Absolutely.
• 47:24
  You move past it because of the following reason.
• 47:28
  Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman, off the charts.
• 47:32
  Well, she's still on the charts, OK, But she's up there, OK.
• 47:35
  She's up there. And you know, if Casey Kasem was
• 47:38
  sure run the show, Top of the Pops.
• 47:40
  Yeah. Should be top five.
• 47:41
  OK. Yeah, I love her performance as
• 47:43
  Catwoman and I love this introduction of Selena in
• 47:46
  Catwoman phase, let's say when she goes back to her apartment.
• 47:50
  Yes, I like the new Selena. As well.
• 47:52
  Yeah, yeah. Who did I say?
• 47:54
  OK, I think she looks kind of sexy.
• 47:57
  All kind of. Disheveled.
• 47:58
  Well, you're not the only one. Bruce likes it too.
• 48:01
  Absolutely. Yeah, and she gets the call from
• 48:03
  her mom. She just starts smashing things
• 48:05
  around. She does smashing.
• 48:07
  But iconography of this scene in particular, I love.
• 48:09
  I love hell here. I thought that was just great.
• 48:11
  My only concern was is she still needs to live there.
• 48:14
  That's not up for sale. She's like, she's moving.
• 48:17
  So true. I don't know.
• 48:18
  I wonder, have you ever been this brought to mind this sort
• 48:21
  of sensation of a smash room? I believe they're called and
• 48:25
  they exist where you you pay money and you have basically an
• 48:29
  empty room and you're just break shit.
• 48:32
  Have you heard of? This, well, if it's empty,
• 48:34
  there's nothing to break. Just saying.
• 48:36
  So there's obviously stuff in there.
• 48:37
  What's in there? Plates, plates, glasses, dishes,
• 48:41
  bowls, cups. Take your pick.
• 48:44
  You have a lot of rage in. You no, but maybe it would help.
• 48:48
  I think it's there. I think it's meant to be
• 48:50
  therapeutic. I don't think it's like a fun
• 48:51
  time bring your kids to like, roll around a bit.
• 48:53
  I think it's like, Oh yeah, I have frustrations that I need to
• 48:57
  let out in a healthy, responsible way rather than
• 48:59
  something maybe more. Destructive, but it's so kind of
• 49:02
  out in left field like well. Probably cheaper I.
• 49:04
  Would say, well, scientifically maybe that would work.
• 49:07
  So it's interesting. I also have heard of the one
• 49:09
  where you go out to the forest and just yell.
• 49:13
  Sure, Yeah, yeah. Nice to kind of let out your let
• 49:15
  it out. She does that a little later
• 49:17
  too. Yeah, I.
• 49:18
  Don't know if I have anything to let out or maybe it's just
• 49:21
  bottled up so deep inside it's in my butt.
• 49:23
  I think that's how deep. It is.
• 49:25
  I think we've spent a lot of time on this podcast talking
• 49:28
  about the things that are bottled up pretty tight in your
• 49:30
  life here, so. Maybe I'm just setting it up in
• 49:32
  small doses. Be Yeah, yeah, whatever works
• 49:35
  like a carbon. Monoxide.
• 49:37
  Yeah, it's not good. Well, moving away from the Smash
• 49:41
  Room, as you so elegantly called it.
• 49:44
  We're going to go back to the tree because it's the really
• 49:47
  only set in this movie. Centerpiece for sure, really is
• 49:51
  the centerpiece of it. And the mayor will make a speech
• 49:53
  because things are happening and he needs to get things under
• 49:56
  control. That's what mayors do.
• 49:57
  That's what they're supposed to. Do in theory.
• 50:00
  Yeah, and he calls it. He says no more violence.
• 50:02
  There's no more violence for 6 seconds and the circus crowd
• 50:09
  comes back and there's more violence.
• 50:11
  In this case, they take the baby.
• 50:13
  They take the baby. That's the theme.
• 50:14
  Yes, so he sets up Penguin as the hero at this.
• 50:17
  Point Yes, that's the play. Yeah, that's and it plays
• 50:19
  because he's mentioned earlier, Penguin has that his goal is to
• 50:23
  ascend, find his parents, do these things.
• 50:25
  Get up there. Yeah, Get in the game.
• 50:27
  And he gets to humanize himself. This is really actually pretty
• 50:30
  smart. It's a good move.
• 50:31
  Yeah, it's a good move. It's yeah.
• 50:33
  You get everybody on your team on your side and you soften your
• 50:37
  image. Even though you look like a
• 50:38
  piteous Penguin boy, you've got some flexibility.
• 50:41
  And you can even use that. Play that.
• 50:43
  Card and that's what he does ultimately, ultimately want to
• 50:45
  find my parents. I want to know who I am and who
• 50:49
  they were and. He's more than a guy with a duck
• 50:52
  with good hydraulics, am I right?
• 50:55
  That's right, it's deeper than. That, but those are really good
• 50:57
  hydraulics, absolutely. Some of the best.
• 50:58
  But Batman is suspicious correct of Penguin?
• 51:02
  I think that needs to be said. Yeah, he says it.
• 51:05
  He said yes. So him and the Butler.
• 51:09
  That's right. Well, first he says, I hope he
• 51:11
  finds his parents. He's not convinced just yet.
• 51:13
  But then eventually it becomes a little bit more obvious.
• 51:15
  The Penguin wants to go to the records hall.
• 51:17
  Yes. And Shrek wants him to be alone.
• 51:21
  Shrek kind of plays his middleman.
• 51:23
  Yes. He's a personal friend.
• 51:25
  Great line. He's a friend of the city.
• 51:27
  That's right. And give the Constitution a
• 51:30
  rest, he says. No media, no press.
• 51:32
  And I thought. It's nice.
• 51:34
  It's nice to know that 33 years later, they've done just that.
• 51:37
  Yeah, they've just stopped the Constitution all around.
• 51:40
  Yeah, alright. Worry about media doesn't count.
• 51:43
  They haven't paused it, they've just.
• 51:44
  Stopped it. Just stop it all around.
• 51:45
  Click. Yeah.
• 51:46
  And I think it's really healthy. Yeah.
• 51:49
  That people in power can do what they want.
• 51:50
  I think it's working out well. I it seems to have the long game
• 51:53
  played out. Absolutely.
• 51:54
  I think it's gonna end up real great, 100%.
• 51:57
  But what we get in this moment at the very least is this really
• 52:00
  cool shot the Penguin. And throughout this movie, I
• 52:02
  love this character so much. I know you do, but watching him
• 52:05
  and listening to him kind of grunt and yeah, right.
• 52:08
  Just always, always doing it. And then there's that great shot
• 52:11
  where he looks up, if you recall, when he's jotting down
• 52:15
  all what we don't know yet, but he's jotting nothing, probably
• 52:18
  exactly, but he looks up. There's that great overhead shot
• 52:21
  of the. Monocle, his nose, the makeup
• 52:23
  looks incredible and just like he's an iconic moment.
• 52:26
  Iconic shot from this movie that has lived with me for 30 years.
• 52:29
  I think it's so good. I love the monocle shot.
• 52:32
  It's rarely used because not let people wear monocles.
• 52:34
  Very true. Bring it back.
• 52:35
  Bring it back. Which also leads to the Penguin
• 52:38
  going to the graveyard. The Penguin, like you mentioned
• 52:41
  earlier, wants to find out who his parents are.
• 52:44
  And that's his. That's his.
• 52:45
  Game. That's his Yeah, that's just
• 52:46
  stick. Yeah.
• 52:47
  And he does. He's a Cobblepot.
• 52:49
  Turns out. Yeah, Mom and Dad are dead.
• 52:52
  Got what they deserved ultimately, yes.
• 52:54
  They weren't very nice people. They were not the devoted
• 52:56
  husband, loving wife. Yeah.
• 52:58
  So I mean, they did something right.
• 52:59
  That's pretty generic. And everybody's following him
• 53:02
  around like the media. Yeah, they're there for Cole.
• 53:05
  They're there for that. But again, a nice moment.
• 53:08
  I think it's great and if it's a performance for us as an
• 53:11
  audience or it's a performance for the media as Oswald, it
• 53:15
  works either way. It comes across as sincere.
• 53:17
  Yeah, he forgives. Them he takes a big man that's
• 53:20
  right to do that. They say right after you don't
• 53:22
  need hands if you've got heart. Yes.
• 53:25
  And the Penguin in this moment has heart.
• 53:27
  He does have heart, doesn't have hands.
• 53:30
  Stereotypical flippers, says it. He calls it.
• 53:32
  It's got flippers and Catwoman. She just has flips.
• 53:36
  She does have flips. This is her.
• 53:38
  Mode. Yeah, this is Yeah, Please go.
• 53:40
  A convenience. Here I just think to myself,
• 53:43
  like Selena Kyle prior to getting rescued and resuscitated
• 53:48
  by cats, probably wasn't doing back.
• 53:51
  Flips and no, not so. It's amazing what can happen
• 53:54
  after a cat nibbles at your thumb or finger.
• 53:57
  Surprised this technology hasn't taken off in the 33 years since.
• 54:01
  It's like being bit by spider. Who knows what could?
• 54:03
  Happen. That's it.
• 54:04
  I'm really excited about the possibilities regardless.
• 54:07
  Stops a bad guy from doing bad things to a woman.
• 54:11
  Yeah, So you think she's a hero now?
• 54:12
  Well. Similar to the Penguin, there's
• 54:15
  a duality to her character. Not only is she two people, but
• 54:19
  as Catwoman. She's wrestling within that.
• 54:22
  Yeah, she's definitely a lot of wrestling.
• 54:24
  Yeah, it's a good scene. It's a good point to make, and I
• 54:26
  think the Penguin does as well. One of the readings of that
• 54:29
  character is this duality. I think it's one of the themes
• 54:31
  throughout the movie and definitely comes up later.
• 54:33
  Definitely. But I like that she is both
• 54:36
  receptive to saving the woman, but then immediately calls her
• 54:40
  out on making it be better. Yeah, like you're asking for it.
• 54:44
  But I will say, watching Michelle Pfeiffer as the
• 54:47
  Catwoman in this moment. You like it?
• 54:51
  They. Might be one of the sexiest
• 54:52
  people in the world. You got that poster on the wall.
• 54:54
  I would have bed. Yeah.
• 54:55
  I mean, the one was a full body in the mirror, like in the
• 54:58
  window. That was a thing.
• 54:59
  But her face with that red lipstick and the costume and the
• 55:03
  camera shot, I'm just like, this is clearly one of the most
• 55:05
  beautiful women in the. World.
• 55:06
  Is she more beautiful than Sean Young?
• 55:09
  Yeah, let's have it out 100. Percent.
• 55:11
  Did you picture Sean in this role because of our conversation
• 55:14
  in No Way Out as Catwoman? No.
• 55:17
  Really, we just. Talk.
• 55:19
  I mean, I didn't so much as I've thought about that in the years
• 55:21
  since. Yes, it definitely crossed my
• 55:23
  mind. And to be honest, Michelle
• 55:25
  Pfeiffer wasn't even the first pick.
• 55:28
  Who was? Annette Benning.
• 55:30
  Oh, I did hear that. OK, hold on.
• 55:33
  In 1992, she just done the Grifters.
• 55:35
  I'm computing. It was pre Bugsy.
• 55:38
  OK yeah. Or maybe it was after.
• 55:40
  No, don't think it was before Bugsy.
• 55:41
  But anyways, she was pregnant and so they couldn't cast her
• 55:44
  so. They go because she can do the
• 55:46
  back flip. She couldn't do all the stuff,
• 55:47
  can do the physicality. Yeah, well.
• 55:49
  I've got a stunt. Double so they bring the
• 55:51
  Michelle Pfeiffer. I honestly don't think anybody
• 55:53
  else could do that role. Which is funny.
• 55:54
  Because like this is perfect. I don't have a lot of exposure
• 55:57
  to Michelle Pfeiffer. Of course I'm going to lay it
• 56:00
  out. For you never done it, Michelle.
• 56:01
  We haven't. We haven't Phillip, and that
• 56:03
  bothers me and I'm surprised that she can play this type of
• 56:08
  character. I just don't see her doing it.
• 56:10
  I see more of a serious role and an romantic movie, you know,
• 56:14
  other genres. So I think I got to give credit
• 56:18
  for because I think Sean Young and Annette Benning probably
• 56:21
  could have done. Maybe version of this character?
• 56:23
  Yeah, it could have been just as good, maybe a little better, a
• 56:26
  little worse. We'll never know.
• 56:27
  No, we'll never know. What we do know is what we see
• 56:30
  on the screen, and we see a great performance by Michelle
• 56:33
  Pfeiffer as Catwoman. Borderline legendary.
• 56:36
  Yeah, it's really fantastic and strangely did not lead to
• 56:41
  anything further. She never played the character
• 56:43
  again. That was not a a Catwoman movie
• 56:46
  property TV show. The Penguin has gotten all this
• 56:49
  stuff as you're mentioning. Which was a surprise to me.
• 56:51
  But as she makes her exit, we have Bruce Wayne making just a
• 56:56
  grand entrance, apparently because he has a meeting.
• 57:00
  With he's going to meet Shrek. You're good buddy there.
• 57:04
  Maximilian. Yep.
• 57:06
  Absolutely. So they're gonna talk about this
• 57:07
  power plant? Yeah.
• 57:08
  They got to talk about it. Gonna hash it out.
• 57:10
  Yeah. And Bruce is come prepared.
• 57:12
  He's got his studies. That's what Bruce does.
• 57:14
  It's a hell of a throw. I don't know why, but I really
• 57:16
  was impressed by. That was and I've been watching
• 57:18
  a lot of baseball lately. It's true.
• 57:19
  And I'm thinking we got Vladi Guerrero right here and Bruce
• 57:23
  Wayne. I don't know if you saw that,
• 57:24
  that throw to third base course. Did you have watched some of the
• 57:28
  stuff? I don't know who you never know
• 57:30
  with you, your sports. You're you're I was at a sports
• 57:33
  bar last night. Where are you?
• 57:35
  Stayed right up until the 7th inning of course.
• 57:37
  Why would you say for the care about what was happening?
• 57:41
  Yeah, I agree. That was a great toss.
• 57:44
  Noteworthy. Yeah, it's such a silly thing,
• 57:46
  but I was like, oh, that's that's really well shot and I
• 57:48
  wonder how many takes it took to do that.
• 57:50
  I'm assuming one. Yeah, hopefully.
• 57:52
  Well, if it was Clint Eastwood had only be that's been shot.
• 57:56
  You get you better get it right. And we have Selena come right
• 58:00
  back to join them in the office. Yes, strangely, he says.
• 58:04
  She's out extended vacation. Yeah, because he thinks she's
• 58:09
  thinks he's dead. He was shocked.
• 58:11
  What an idiot. You know there was 18 cats below
• 58:14
  no taking care of. Her.
• 58:15
  Did you pick up that Bruce misspoke?
• 58:17
  Yes. I didn't.
• 58:18
  I I rewound it the second time I watched it, and it's a
• 58:20
  throwaway, but it's funny. It's really good.
• 58:22
  It's cute. Yeah.
• 58:23
  You wanna feel some chemistry? Yeah.
• 58:25
  Between the two. This is not Selena from the 1st
• 58:27
  10 minutes. Nope.
• 58:28
  This is not Catwoman. Someone else entirely.
• 58:30
  It's a new character. Yeah, Yeah.
• 58:32
  I love that they kind of play with that.
• 58:33
  And ultimately it is fundamentally what the movie is
• 58:36
  about, even under control way line.
• 58:38
  But it is ultimately I mistook me for someone else.
• 58:41
  I don't know who I am. You did we meet before, did we?
• 58:45
  Right, can't admit or they can't yet know.
• 58:48
  Like all of that duality is happening in the back burner.
• 58:51
  And I don't know if you picked up on this though, please.
• 58:53
  Ricky Friedberg is dead. Yeah, poor guy.
• 58:55
  The poor guy, he had a good run. He made fun of her in high
• 58:58
  school. I think that's what the story
• 58:59
  was. Bad call.
• 59:00
  Yes. He noticed that she wasn't
• 59:01
  wearing underpants. Yeah, you don't want to do.
• 59:03
  That I'm telling you, if I knew and saw and witnessed Michelle
• 59:07
  Pfeiffer without underpants, I'd be OK.
• 59:10
  That I died right after that would be, well, I've.
• 59:13
  Peaked we don't know if it was right after maybe it was because
• 59:15
  of that wasn't. Made clear, maybe a cat.
• 59:17
  Maybe. Maybe.
• 59:19
  Revenge. Yeah, or a cougar.
• 59:21
  Have you seen that new thing that's going around now with the
• 59:24
  cougar coming in the front door? It's all AI.
• 59:26
  You know when you see it the first time, think, Oh my God,
• 59:28
  that's real. And then everybody does the same
• 59:30
  thing where they have this cougar and your 4 year olds out
• 59:33
  on the OK wherever. Sure.
• 59:35
  The front porch, perhaps, if it's Florida and it looks real,
• 59:41
  sure. But now everybody's doing it, so
• 59:42
  you know, it's. Fake.
• 59:43
  I've said really know for years. I do not trust anything I see on
• 59:46
  the Internet. It's particularly on Facebook.
• 59:48
  Like anything that's shared, I'm like, I just don't.
• 59:49
  Be stupid, just stupid. I mean, I watch.
• 59:51
  It but I don't trust the news like the articles sound so is
• 59:54
  saying it doesn't I don't buy. As long as you trust me, buddy.
• 59:57
  That's right, you and me, because you know, I do trust
• 1:00:02
  though. Well, I've written down the next
• 1:00:04
  scene, Max in the Penguin. Or yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:06
  Which one do you trust? I trust Oswald from mayor.
• 1:00:10
  OK, good for you. You're backing.
• 1:00:11
  Him. No, I just got the button.
• 1:00:14
  I do have the button. I love that button In the video
• 1:00:16
  game. There's a lot of that imagery as
• 1:00:18
  well. I think it's great that Shrek
• 1:00:20
  has got a plan and Oswald doesn't want to do it because
• 1:00:23
  he's single minded. He wants the kids.
• 1:00:25
  That's it. He's still working in his little
• 1:00:26
  corner with the notes. That's true.
• 1:00:28
  Which if you're not paying attention, you don't.
• 1:00:29
  I didn't even. Really, what's going on?
• 1:00:31
  Like what was his? Actual other motive that's
• 1:00:33
  happening. And Shrek knows Penguins well
• 1:00:36
  enough, drops of raw fish his way.
• 1:00:39
  Man, that looked. Real.
• 1:00:41
  It totally looked real. Was.
• 1:00:42
  Really. Like did Danny say I'll do it, I
• 1:00:44
  will eat a raw? Fish, I think he probably.
• 1:00:46
  I'm almost positive like that is a trout or salmon, like I don't
• 1:00:51
  know which fish. Sea bass.
• 1:00:52
  Could have been. Yeah, I think it was a real
• 1:00:55
  fish. It's not caught, that much I
• 1:00:57
  know. No, it's clear.
• 1:00:59
  I don't think I know cars. It did work, dangled it and.
• 1:01:03
  Absolutely. Did reveal is that he's got a
• 1:01:05
  surprise and the surprise he's gonna run Oswald for mayor.
• 1:01:08
  Despite the fact it's. December.
• 1:01:10
  Goldie Wilson it is. Yeah.
• 1:01:12
  It's December, and he's like, I'll handle that part.
• 1:01:14
  Yeah, don't worry about it. Anything can happen when you
• 1:01:16
  don't care about the Constitution.
• 1:01:17
  You can have election anytime, especially if you got Jen Hooks.
• 1:01:19
  Jen, Jen. Sorry.
• 1:01:21
  Jan Hooks back in you. Absolutely.
• 1:01:23
  An image consultant. She's got a lot of work to.
• 1:01:26
  Do Yes, she does, because. He's not the pretty picture.
• 1:01:29
  No, and he's into her. Of course.
• 1:01:31
  Did you pick up on that little bit of appeal, corn dog?
• 1:01:34
  He is, he says later. You're the hottest student a
• 1:01:39
  hero could have, Yeah. He doesn't like Steve witting so
• 1:01:43
  much because he bites his nose. Yeah, I think he was in the
• 1:01:46
  Hogan family. He might have been.
• 1:01:48
  That's my television reference from 1987.
• 1:01:51
  You're on your own on that one. I got nothing.
• 1:01:53
  To bring surprise, one of the friends could be, and this is
• 1:01:56
  another example of like it's not a kids movie, but it's marketed
• 1:02:01
  like with the toys and all this stuff.
• 1:02:03
  And here he bites his nose. Bloods use everywhere like it
• 1:02:06
  is. It's kind of gross, pretty
• 1:02:07
  grotesque. I didn't get the sense that this
• 1:02:10
  was for kids at all. Yeah.
• 1:02:11
  Or the released It's for adults as well.
• 1:02:14
  Kids went on Oprah. She had a special episode.
• 1:02:17
  Oh, wonderful. And basically had kids on that
• 1:02:20
  show talking about how traumatizing it was to see this
• 1:02:23
  movie. Yeah.
• 1:02:24
  So they should have slapped the old 13 on it in.
• 1:02:26
  Hindsight, but then the studio is like, well, no, we want
• 1:02:28
  families to go, we want the money to go.
• 1:02:30
  But because of the success of Batman, they basically went to
• 1:02:33
  Burton and went like, do you want like Carp Blanche?
• 1:02:36
  Wow. So it's his creative vision, but
• 1:02:39
  to a fault, I think. At the slapped on with the G.
• 1:02:41
  Yeah, gross. Maybe for you I loved it too.
• 1:02:46
  I just I mean you love the more. This is pretty tame.
• 1:02:49
  I had no problems with it, I just think it was an issue for
• 1:02:51
  sure of the movie all those years ago.
• 1:02:54
  And I think obviously the idea is to become mayor, you got to
• 1:02:57
  create chaos to make the existing mayor look bad.
• 1:03:01
  That's never been done before in real politics.
• 1:03:03
  No, it's certainly not right now in Portland and Chicago and
• 1:03:06
  California, you know, create a war zone and therefore you get
• 1:03:09
  to look like a guy that yeah, it's solving the war, probably.
• 1:03:12
  There you go. Call the guys in Langley.
• 1:03:18
  But we do get some cool. Explosions.
• 1:03:20
  Yeah, it's kind of another action sequence time, right?
• 1:03:22
  Again, visually within that playground looks absolutely
• 1:03:27
  fantastic. Batman is on the job like he's
• 1:03:30
  on call. He's there, not like he's
• 1:03:32
  napping. Now he's sitting in his room,
• 1:03:33
  waiting. For the He's waiting for the
• 1:03:35
  call. He's finished the puzzle.
• 1:03:37
  Yeah. And we get a few sequences here
• 1:03:38
  that are pretty interesting. What was the one that stood out
• 1:03:41
  for you? Well, like we alluded to
• 1:03:42
  earlier, the fact that he just cold bloodly blows up a circus
• 1:03:48
  clown feels a little, Oh yeah, extreme side.
• 1:03:51
  He did do. That Hey, you've got dynamite.
• 1:03:53
  Yeah, which is funny. Punches him in the stomach,
• 1:03:55
  slaps it into his pants basically and throws him.
• 1:03:58
  And I thought, oh, he's gonna throw him into the alley.
• 1:04:00
  I didn't remember. Throw him into the sewer or
• 1:04:02
  whatever. And the water will.
• 1:04:04
  No, it just blows up, right? Afterward, we would.
• 1:04:06
  Assume that he blew up a man. Yeah, yeah, that happened.
• 1:04:10
  And then we tried to be funny with the bat frisbee.
• 1:04:13
  Oh, the bat, The batarang. Yeah, the Batarang, sure.
• 1:04:15
  If that's true, I don't know the official terminology for these.
• 1:04:18
  I didn't have any of the. Toys in the previous it was just
• 1:04:21
  like a single boomerang type of thing, but this time technology
• 1:04:24
  is such that you can program it in five particular characters.
• 1:04:28
  This is CGI really OK, early use of that early using, you know,
• 1:04:33
  it's like the CGI used in Prince of Thieves.
• 1:04:35
  If you remember when they do the CGI arrow, OK that we follow the
• 1:04:40
  arrow being shot and it goes into the tree.
• 1:04:42
  Remember that be good for 3D. Yeah.
• 1:04:44
  Well, it's going the other direction, but, well, whatever.
• 1:04:46
  This is an opportunity to use the same technology.
• 1:04:49
  Well, we know dogs love frisbees, so they try to be
• 1:04:51
  funny and the last one goes to the woman that owns the dog.
• 1:04:54
  That's right. Pretty bland.
• 1:04:56
  Yeah, she's not. She's disinterested in
• 1:04:58
  everything. She is.
• 1:04:59
  She's above it. That's her character and I love
• 1:05:01
  it. And the last thing I want to
• 1:05:02
  point out anyways is we get that sound.
• 1:05:06
  Oh yes, I just say sound and you know what I'm talking about.
• 1:05:09
  Well, I know what you're talking about because I have it written
• 1:05:12
  down here as well. OK, I just know from the
• 1:05:14
  stormtrooper. Sure.
• 1:05:16
  I thought it was a Star Wars thing.
• 1:05:18
  Well, I mean, it's not unique to Star Wars.
• 1:05:20
  It is in that, but it's also in every Indiana Jones movie and
• 1:05:24
  it's then every Jurassic Park movie.
• 1:05:27
  No, yeah, I don't remember hearing it, Jurassic Park, any
• 1:05:30
  of them. Yeah, it's there.
• 1:05:32
  It's called the Wilhelm Scream. OK, well we just watched them
• 1:05:35
  watch them again. Oh, wait time.
• 1:05:36
  OK, it's sorry the Wilhelm. Wilhelm Wilhelm Wilhelm Wilhelm
• 1:05:43
  Scream. It's a sound effect been used
• 1:05:45
  for 100 years. I thought it was a Lucas thing
• 1:05:48
  so. Check it out on YouTube.
• 1:05:49
  There's a supercut, maybe I'll put it on the.
• 1:05:50
  Facebook page, well, it happened at 5721 of this one.
• 1:05:53
  That's what I wrote down. Write it down and it plays and
• 1:05:56
  it plays. But it holds up the test of
• 1:05:58
  time. Well, we have happened around 60
• 1:06:01
  minutes. So we're about just about
• 1:06:02
  halfway of the movie. We finally have Batman and
• 1:06:06
  Penguin side by side, side by side.
• 1:06:09
  They finally meet their on screen for the same shot for the
• 1:06:12
  first time. And Batman calls him out on his
• 1:06:14
  plans. Yeah.
• 1:06:16
  And wise to it. It's a great little exchange.
• 1:06:20
  You're not the mayor in Penguins.
• 1:06:22
  As things change. Yeah.
• 1:06:23
  Boom. Says you don't think you're
• 1:06:25
  going to win, do you? Things change.
• 1:06:27
  Change. I like his better.
• 1:06:29
  Penguins is better, Grant. And we have Catwoman, who is
• 1:06:33
  kind of crashes the party. She's a party crasher.
• 1:06:36
  And I like that. You do.
• 1:06:37
  Well, of course. Well, I like that we have all
• 1:06:39
  three on the screen because it's been an hour into the movie.
• 1:06:41
  Yeah. And we've done 2 origin stories.
• 1:06:44
  And a lot of Christopher Walken that you just don't like.
• 1:06:46
  I love Chris, an actor, as a. Performer.
• 1:06:49
  But yeah, we finally have what we paid to see.
• 1:06:51
  And it and it paid off because her line she just walks out of
• 1:06:54
  the department store says meow. And the explosion behind her.
• 1:06:58
  I'm like, that's good, That's good.
• 1:07:00
  That's that's. Good direction.
• 1:07:01
  Yeah. And I like the fight sequence
• 1:07:03
  that happens afterwards. Yeah, someone provoked somebody
• 1:07:06
  who started that, but yeah, it's tough to say.
• 1:07:08
  The Penguin leaves. He's got his umbrella.
• 1:07:10
  He. Takes off.
• 1:07:11
  He's got an umbrella for every occasion.
• 1:07:12
  He's very. It's pretty impressive.
• 1:07:14
  Yeah, yeah. Could use 1 today, right?
• 1:07:17
  Totally. But anyway, and so Catwoman and
• 1:07:19
  he have this fight and. Rooftop.
• 1:07:21
  Sort of. Yeah, I like it because it's all
• 1:07:23
  defence, Batman. All defence, All defence.
• 1:07:26
  Defence wins championships. And then finally, he kind of
• 1:07:28
  strikes her. So how could you don't do that?
• 1:07:31
  I'm a woman. Sorry, I it's classic Yeah,
• 1:07:35
  manipulation I love. It when a manipulating.
• 1:07:38
  Yeah, but I think it's really good dynamic that sets it up
• 1:07:40
  because he doesn't want to do it, but he sort of pushed and
• 1:07:43
  pushed and pushed. But ultimately she ends up
• 1:07:46
  losing the fight, if you will. Yeah.
• 1:07:47
  Loses the tussle, which results in the most unrealistic thing in
• 1:07:50
  this movie. Tell me I've put up with a lot.
• 1:07:52
  You've welcomed so much. I have because, you know, I'm
• 1:07:54
  feeling generous today. Absolutely no nitpicks on this
• 1:07:57
  end. But she lands in a dump truck
• 1:07:59
  full of Kitty. Litter.
• 1:08:00
  I don't think it's officially Kitty litter.
• 1:08:02
  I think she calls it Kitty litter.
• 1:08:04
  I know Kitty litter. That's what it looks like, or
• 1:08:07
  what I would assume it is. It's movie Kitty litter the very
• 1:08:09
  least. It's winter and Christmas all
• 1:08:13
  come on, you think it's sad they'll know what sand from the
• 1:08:16
  streets. OK.
• 1:08:18
  You know what? Sand for the street?
• 1:08:20
  What? Because I'm in a generous mood,
• 1:08:23
  it'd be silly for me to fight this one.
• 1:08:24
  Anyways, I'll give it to you because you would not have
• 1:08:28
  actual cat litter. In that exactly, it'll be sand,
• 1:08:30
  passion. It'll be sand, yeah.
• 1:08:32
  Which could be doubled as a sand as as a candle owner in a pinch
• 1:08:35
  in a in a pinch. My cats just used the rug.
• 1:08:39
  And the couch. And the bed.
• 1:08:49
  The enemy of my enemy is my. Friend, I've heard that before.
• 1:08:53
  In this instance she goes to Penguins layer.
• 1:08:55
  I think he has a temp area within Shreks.
• 1:08:59
  And he's got the upstairs of whatever that building is.
• 1:09:01
  Trick owns it. You could deal it red
• 1:09:04
  controlled. It doesn't pay for AC.
• 1:09:07
  Yeah, that's good. And he needs it.
• 1:09:09
  He needs he loves the AC. So basically Catwoman is kind of
• 1:09:12
  looking for an ally and that shot of her lying on the bed
• 1:09:17
  when he walks in? Gorgeous.
• 1:09:20
  But they hatch a plan to destroy the Batman, create an issue in a
• 1:09:24
  situation where he is now the villain.
• 1:09:26
  Yeah. What is her motivation?
• 1:09:28
  I know why she wants Max out of the picture.
• 1:09:30
  Yes, I think that's obvious. Yes.
• 1:09:32
  You know, die for a die, as is spoken later.
• 1:09:36
  Is it just because she lost the fight?
• 1:09:38
  I think it's partly that. I think it's that, right?
• 1:09:40
  Thing. I think it's that he is the good
• 1:09:42
  guy that will likely stop her from trying to kill Max.
• 1:09:46
  OK, I think that's it. I don't know, there's much more
• 1:09:48
  because I agree with you. Her motivation is unclear.
• 1:09:51
  Penguin is a bad guy set up to be a bad guy and is thwarted by
• 1:09:55
  the good guy. That all kind of all tax.
• 1:09:57
  Checks. One of the motivations does make
• 1:10:00
  sense is she wants to eat a bird because she's a cat and it's
• 1:10:05
  interesting how they play the Katniss into a character as you
• 1:10:08
  should. She licks herself.
• 1:10:09
  Yes, she has a bad. Leader that scene, she goes.
• 1:10:11
  Yeah, which is probably a bit of a let down for the Penguin.
• 1:10:14
  Sure. What's a woman Says you're gonna
• 1:10:16
  have a bath right here myself. Like, OK, yeah, that's what cats
• 1:10:19
  do. I've seen it.
• 1:10:20
  Totally. I've seen it.
• 1:10:21
  He says first, of course, that this is just the pussy that he
• 1:10:23
  was hoping to see. Yeah.
• 1:10:25
  And again, this is a PG movie. It's just push that line a
• 1:10:28
  little bit. I mean, which I like.
• 1:10:30
  So of course I have no issue. Absolutely.
• 1:10:31
  And at 13, I didn't have an issue with it.
• 1:10:33
  But the kid on Oprah had an issue.
• 1:10:34
  With it, well, there's a difference between the, say,
• 1:10:37
  violence and the sexual overtones.
• 1:10:40
  If you don't get it, it doesn't matter if it's over your head.
• 1:10:43
  Yeah, yeah, it's So that's OK. I mean, they do that with a lot
• 1:10:45
  of animated movies too. Right, a lot of pussy talk in
• 1:10:48
  Toy Story 2I. Think I haven't seen it run it
• 1:10:52
  for me. I didn't pick up on all that.
• 1:10:54
  But yeah, just they're adults and times.
• 1:10:57
  But I'm an adult and I was watching it for all checked out
• 1:11:00
  for. Me, what kids like you though is
• 1:11:01
  the shadow puppet. And this is a scene that I
• 1:11:03
  really like. And I remember back from the day
• 1:11:04
  that the image of that where he takes 2 slippers, makes the bat
• 1:11:07
  and he makes the bat in the ceiling and the shadows, like I
• 1:11:10
  dig that. It's good stuff.
• 1:11:11
  And that's a real bird. She actually ate that bird.
• 1:11:13
  Are you serious? She put it in her mouth.
• 1:11:16
  It's good for her. Yeah, I watched the special
• 1:11:18
  feature. But since she didn't eat the
• 1:11:20
  bird, she's probably hungry. She's still hungry.
• 1:11:24
  He's still hungry, and she happens to run into Bruce Wayne.
• 1:11:27
  Yeah, They have this moment when they're both talking about their
• 1:11:31
  alter egos. Yeah.
• 1:11:33
  And they're making sense, but not really making sense to each
• 1:11:36
  other. When Bruce looks behind him and
• 1:11:37
  sees the newspaper article. Batman blows it.
• 1:11:40
  He didn't blow. It was like, it didn't blow it.
• 1:11:43
  Accurate. He's like offended by the media
• 1:11:44
  coverage of it, which I thought was funny, as he should have.
• 1:11:47
  And but the two end up for dinner at the Bruce Manor.
• 1:11:50
  An early dinner because she has somewhere.
• 1:11:51
  To She's got some place, he's got something.
• 1:11:53
  Well, he's not anything yet. That's right.
• 1:11:55
  I guess he's coming. Something pops up.
• 1:11:57
  It's a pretty awkward moment on the couch.
• 1:11:59
  Oh yeah. That's an interesting first
• 1:12:01
  date, but she is definitely a little, what's the word I want
• 1:12:05
  to say, aggressive, aggressive, unhinged.
• 1:12:10
  Oh yeah, yeah, some people like a.
• 1:12:12
  Little I think you do crazy, a little unhinged.
• 1:12:14
  I think we all do in our as we get older, we might be sort of
• 1:12:17
  less attracted to it or. Just less able to.
• 1:12:19
  Just label this. Yeah, able to, able to or too
• 1:12:23
  lazy to go through the whole rigorous of it all.
• 1:12:25
  Yeah, it's just too much. But he's going to give it a go.
• 1:12:29
  She's willing. I mean, there's a pretty steamy
• 1:12:32
  quick make out sesh and get to know each other's lips, which is
• 1:12:35
  going to play. It's going to play, I'm going to
• 1:12:36
  play. But they're not for too long on
• 1:12:39
  this. Couch No, because.
• 1:12:40
  Something comes up. Yeah, the ice Princess comes up.
• 1:12:42
  Yeah, sure. When you're talking about the
• 1:12:44
  Ice Princess, something comes up, Dave.
• 1:12:47
  She's gorgeous. Yes, that did happen and he's
• 1:12:51
  gotta go save her, even though I think he gets the sense that
• 1:12:54
  it's probably a trap. Yeah, I think you got to do it.
• 1:12:56
  The signal, you're going to do it.
• 1:12:57
  You got to do it. Yeah, Catwoman has to get there,
• 1:12:59
  I guess the survey what's happening and Batman has to go
• 1:13:02
  there to save the day. If you can, yeah, exactly.
• 1:13:04
  We got a cool scene which I enjoy and was in some of the
• 1:13:07
  marketing where basically Bruce goes to the Batman closet.
• 1:13:11
  Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, I did write.
• 1:13:13
  Something down for that. He's got a hanger full of bat
• 1:13:15
  suits. Get bat boots.
• 1:13:18
  I don't know if it's intended to be.
• 1:13:19
  One. I think so, but it's a little
• 1:13:21
  silly. Yeah, but he races to save the
• 1:13:23
  ice Princess who doesn't take. But it does give hang on one of
• 1:13:27
  the best lines, I think tell me she ends up on the rooftop.
• 1:13:31
  Yes, Catwoman has just disappeared.
• 1:13:34
  They set up Batman to take the fall guy she falls clearly looks
• 1:13:39
  from below that he pushed her, something Batman would do
• 1:13:43
  totally come on people. But Catwoman and Penguin are
• 1:13:47
  talking right afterward, and she says, I thought you were just
• 1:13:50
  going to scare her, he says. Well, she looked pretty scared
• 1:13:53
  to me. I just think that's just a funny
• 1:13:55
  line because it's pretty. You look pretty.
• 1:13:58
  Scared. Yeah, I love that.
• 1:13:59
  And we get Penguin flirting with Catwoman again.
• 1:14:02
  You. Sent it all that signals.
• 1:14:05
  Yeah. Do a lot of good impressions, by
• 1:14:08
  the way. You do a lot of his one I just
• 1:14:11
  love. I wouldn't touch it to scratch
• 1:14:12
  you. It's funny, just that
• 1:14:15
  relationship because it isn't really altogether right.
• 1:14:17
  They have the common goal, but they're not really in the same
• 1:14:20
  sphere, which I kind of enjoy their dynamic.
• 1:14:23
  Yeah, they they click. The Batman has to get out of
• 1:14:25
  town because like you said, they think he somehow, despite saving
• 1:14:30
  the city countless times, he's now a villain.
• 1:14:34
  So he gets this cool glider that's nice glider flies over
• 1:14:38
  the city and gets back in the Batmobile, which unfortunately
• 1:14:41
  has been hacked and we've got Penguin taken over the controls.
• 1:14:44
  Yeah, and his own little like. Toy if mall.
• 1:14:47
  Mall. That's it.
• 1:14:48
  Yeah, it's all thing. Yeah, yeah, it cuts you 1/4.
• 1:14:53
  Which made me chuckle because I was like, I think I've seen that
• 1:14:55
  kid in the malls in in 1990. It's just fun to watch.
• 1:14:58
  Totally. And he's really into it.
• 1:14:59
  He's rocking back. And forth you see the Oswald
• 1:15:01
  van. Don't come a knocking.
• 1:15:04
  Yeah, it's crazy. I really dig it.
• 1:15:06
  But yeah, Batman is basically now wrestling and trying to get
• 1:15:08
  out of it, trying to break the thing.
• 1:15:10
  He figures. It out, he figures it out.
• 1:15:13
  Pretty basic, yeah. Turns out, yeah, it's not that
• 1:15:15
  complex. Giant like candy?
• 1:15:17
  Cane coloured device. Yeah, yeah, rips it out just in
• 1:15:19
  time to put the brakes on. That's.
• 1:15:21
  Right. But he's done the benefit of
• 1:15:23
  seeing a CD. And I have to tell you, I was
• 1:15:25
  very excited to see C of Course 92.
• 1:15:28
  Yeah, I had a CD player in my car.
• 1:15:29
  Oh yeah, nice. I mean I have some there, but
• 1:15:32
  there was something about the. Something thickness of it.
• 1:15:36
  Shine. So yeah, he's recording the
• 1:15:38
  Penguin. I didn't realize that's what he
• 1:15:40
  was doing, but yeah, little foreshadowing.
• 1:15:43
  Yeah, come in handy next scene. I'm thinking how is he gonna get
• 1:15:46
  out of it? It did cross my mind.
• 1:15:48
  You have to get him on tape and I had thought of that and I see
• 1:15:52
  him with the CD and I didn't put the two together.
• 1:15:54
  Because you'll get it eventually.
• 1:15:56
  I don't think I watch it again. And it kind of pisses off
• 1:16:01
  Penguin. Yeah, he's frustrated by the
• 1:16:03
  whole thing. He's very.
• 1:16:04
  Frustrated. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:05
  Disappointed that he couldn't quite deliver.
• 1:16:07
  And that's how these movies and how this TV show goes.
• 1:16:10
  Something gets thwarted every time.
• 1:16:12
  Yeah. It's a word for a reason, but he
• 1:16:14
  has to deliver. That's right, his mayoral
• 1:16:17
  speech. That's right, he's still running
• 1:16:19
  for mayor. Running and that.
• 1:16:20
  Is a pretty good chance at this point.
• 1:16:21
  I would say, you know, tear in the streets.
• 1:16:24
  Yeah. What are you going to do?
• 1:16:25
  You going to specify? She gets up on the stage and he
• 1:16:27
  starts his speech. But Bruce is ready.
• 1:16:29
  Bruce and Alfred. Even Alfred has been enlisted to
• 1:16:32
  give him a hand here. I don't know what he's doing
• 1:16:34
  necessarily. But he looks like a podcaster.
• 1:16:36
  He does. He's got the headphones on.
• 1:16:39
  He's got. It, yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:40
  And then new movie. I'm sure it will be.
• 1:16:41
  Yeah, that's his new thing. What's funny about this moment
• 1:16:44
  is Bruce takes his little elevator to go down to the Bat
• 1:16:49
  Cave. Alfred says I'll take the stairs
• 1:16:52
  and he gets there roughly 4 seconds after Bruce does.
• 1:16:59
  And I'm doing some calculations like, well, he's 35 years old,
• 1:17:02
  this guy's 80. It's about the same distance.
• 1:17:05
  Yeah. So it's kind of silly.
• 1:17:07
  Other than I like that that's the secret thing in the
• 1:17:09
  aquarium. It's just for show like this.
• 1:17:11
  Whole thing and the time it takes for him to put his hand
• 1:17:13
  in, you'd be already down there. Yeah, I'll just go.
• 1:17:18
  At least it wasn't Leslie Nielsen putting his hand.
• 1:17:20
  That's true. Aquarium.
• 1:17:21
  Some fighting fish, you know. Bet you do.
• 1:17:26
  And of course, you love a good hack.
• 1:17:28
  I've been known to hack. Know you haven't, you know?
• 1:17:31
  Hacking as you know and. You hate to hack.
• 1:17:33
  You hate to be hacked. You hate it on film.
• 1:17:36
  But ultimately Bruce Wayne jams the signal and hacks the audio
• 1:17:40
  and plays the CD in which she recorded and played the city
• 1:17:44
  like a hop from hell. Yeah, you got to watch what you
• 1:17:46
  say these days. You.
• 1:17:47
  Know. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:17:48
  It kind of puts the crowd against.
• 1:17:50
  Them, it turns out, at least back then, politicians saying
• 1:17:54
  bad things about people, yeah. Was a negative.
• 1:17:57
  It was a negative. Now it's perfect.
• 1:17:58
  I think we should go back to having tomatoes.
• 1:18:01
  And eggs. And what I thought was lettuce.
• 1:18:04
  Well, yeah, have a little salad. Yeah.
• 1:18:06
  Yeah, yeah. And sweep.
• 1:18:07
  Up and I thought it was silly that all of a sudden they had
• 1:18:10
  these items because you don't see it in the crowd when you get
• 1:18:12
  those shots. All of a sudden, he's.
• 1:18:14
  Getting pelted but I love how they call it out.
• 1:18:16
  Why? How is everybody bringing?
• 1:18:18
  Tomatoes to these guys. So it makes fun of itself for
• 1:18:21
  that moment and so makes it funny, which I appreciate a
• 1:18:23
  little humor in these movies where I don't think there's a
• 1:18:26
  place for humor in maybe the Nolan films so much.
• 1:18:29
  I think there's a little bit more.
• 1:18:30
  Yeah, no, for sure. Nolan is not known for condo.
• 1:18:33
  Funny, right now he doesn't have his movies.
• 1:18:36
  But Penguin is fed up. He doesn't know what to do.
• 1:18:38
  He runs away and he goes back to where he's comfortable, back to
• 1:18:41
  the sewer. Yeah, where people are ready to
• 1:18:43
  greet him. Hey, Oswald.
• 1:18:44
  And he's cutting his oh, yeah, suit off.
• 1:18:47
  And he says, I am not Oswald. I am Penguin 1 auto man.
• 1:18:51
  I'm an animal. It's a reference to the Elephant
• 1:18:54
  Man movie. Animal human being from the
• 1:18:58
  Elephant Man. I thought some Seinfeld.
• 1:19:00
  David Lynch But if you really look at that section of the
• 1:19:03
  movie, that's like 9 minutes, like, you know, spread out over
• 1:19:07
  an hour. But there's like so little of
• 1:19:09
  that campaign and that arc and that character development and
• 1:19:13
  whatever else. If you cut out some of the
• 1:19:15
  origin, you might have had a little bit more room for that.
• 1:19:17
  Now you need it. It's this is the stuff that
• 1:19:19
  starts to feel rushed. So that happens, and then we cut
• 1:19:21
  to the ballroom. Oh yeah, the ballroom, right?
• 1:19:24
  I think it's like it's Christmas party.
• 1:19:26
  It's his Max Charade Ball. Oh, that's clever.
• 1:19:29
  Yeah, I really like that. Yeah.
• 1:19:30
  Which I think is funny or interesting that the only two
• 1:19:33
  people without a mask and without a costume are Selena,
• 1:19:37
  Kyle and. Bruce Well, that's funny because
• 1:19:39
  they wear masks. All the time and the psychology
• 1:19:42
  of it would say this is their mask.
• 1:19:44
  Ohv, that's. If you think about this
• 1:19:47
  character, when we meet him, he's in an attic, all alone in
• 1:19:50
  the dark. It's like that person isn't even
• 1:19:53
  really a person. That one doesn't exist.
• 1:19:55
  It's like the Batman is when he's alive.
• 1:19:56
  So the reading if you wanted to get that is like.
• 1:19:59
  It's an option. His Bruce Wayne is the mask and
• 1:20:02
  he's more Batman. Batman and sort of later years.
• 1:20:04
  Yeah, absolutely. But either way, it's a great
• 1:20:07
  scene. I love the look of it, the
• 1:20:08
  opulence of it, and I really enjoy the Susie and the Banshees
• 1:20:11
  song on your Spotify. Imagine it is I I love the song
• 1:20:15
  face to Face it's called and those performances I think are
• 1:20:17
  better than what you would expect out of a comic book
• 1:20:20
  movie. I really am impressed by these
• 1:20:22
  two in this scene. There's a mistletoe, yes, which
• 1:20:26
  are deadly if you eat, but a kiss can also be deadly.
• 1:20:30
  Can be deadly if you eat it as. Well, and they said this to each
• 1:20:33
  other before I. Think yeah, during the fight,
• 1:20:35
  during their. First, these words have been
• 1:20:37
  spoken. I recognized it.
• 1:20:39
  Yeah, they're they're reusing part of the.
• 1:20:41
  Script Yeah 2 for one sale. And then they have, like, this
• 1:20:45
  realization, skate. Well, you're Catwoman, You're
• 1:20:46
  Batman. Yeah.
• 1:20:47
  And she's like, well, do we have to fight?
• 1:20:49
  Best line in the movie I love. Oh, really?
• 1:20:51
  Maybe not best, yeah, but it's like high up there.
• 1:20:53
  I love it because it's like they don't know what to do and I
• 1:20:56
  really like their chemistry, particularly in this scene in
• 1:20:57
  general, the whole. Movie.
• 1:20:58
  I call it the top ten moments. Sure.
• 1:21:00
  Ten. Wow.
• 1:21:01
  OK, there you have it. But Penguins gonna cut the party
• 1:21:04
  short with his ultimate plan. Yeah, he wants to come to
• 1:21:08
  fruition at this point. He's killed the clown.
• 1:21:10
  Yes. For questioning his plan to
• 1:21:14
  kidnap and kill and kill, yes, that's.
• 1:21:17
  Important. All the first born children of
• 1:21:19
  Gotham. Yeah.
• 1:21:20
  And the guy, he's like, this is a little dark.
• 1:21:22
  He called it. He called.
• 1:21:23
  It he's not. Wrong.
• 1:21:24
  He's not wrong, but he's dead. Now, yes, yes, yeah.
• 1:21:27
  But yeah. And so the plan is ultimately
• 1:21:29
  pretty sinister. Again, for a kids movie, You're
• 1:21:32
  like, Jesus, I'm going to gather all the children, put them on a
• 1:21:35
  train through the city, and then I'm going to drown them in toxic
• 1:21:38
  waste. I can see why they're on Oprah.
• 1:21:40
  Yes, what I found very unbelievable, but I really don't
• 1:21:44
  care, is the fact that he's able to come up from his layer or
• 1:21:49
  from below. You can travel the sewer,
• 1:21:51
  sewers, go everywhere. I don't need a plumber to know
• 1:21:53
  that. But in the centre of the ball he
• 1:21:56
  comes up with that duck with a good hydraulic.
• 1:21:59
  Yeah, yeah, the best hydraulic. Yeah.
• 1:22:01
  So that's just very convenient, but it's a great entrance.
• 1:22:03
  It is a big entrance. A huge.
• 1:22:05
  Entrance. He wasn't invited, so we.
• 1:22:06
  Had to crash. He had to crash.
• 1:22:08
  Yeah, he's got some good lines. Totally.
• 1:22:10
  I love the Penguins costumes. You don't see a lot of it now,
• 1:22:15
  but there are two sitting with them and they have like, Roman
• 1:22:18
  hats almost wearing it. I thought, these are real
• 1:22:21
  Penguins. Oh yeah.
• 1:22:22
  And they've dressed them up and I'm like, this is awesome.
• 1:22:25
  Like these innocent animals are ready to battle if need.
• 1:22:29
  So I thought it was really cute actually.
• 1:22:30
  And there's some that are animatronics, there's some,
• 1:22:33
  there might be some real, I'm not sure, but definitely
• 1:22:35
  animatronics. They all looked.
• 1:22:36
  Real. They look good.
• 1:22:38
  In 4K too, so it's impressive. Everything in this movie I think
• 1:22:41
  looks great. And of course, Penguin wants.
• 1:22:42
  Yep, Yep. And luckily Max says no, no no,
• 1:22:46
  take me. Yeah, he gives him a good
• 1:22:48
  reasons. He's like me, I ripped you off.
• 1:22:50
  I screwed you over. Like, you know, like actually
• 1:22:53
  it's a good point. You are an asshole.
• 1:22:54
  Yeah, I'll take you. Why not?
• 1:22:56
  You're the problem here. And back to the Arctic world we
• 1:23:00
  go. And this is where I could see
• 1:23:01
  you thinking the movies a little bit rushed.
• 1:23:04
  Right. Everything starts to end and get
• 1:23:06
  thwarted like right away. So the Penguins big elaborate
• 1:23:09
  plan that he's been spending the whole movie planning and
• 1:23:11
  organizing and setting up 20 seconds, 20 seconds, the trains
• 1:23:15
  going down Gotham Batman's like no, no, not happening.
• 1:23:18
  OK, so that's. Over.
• 1:23:19
  Yeah, give it. Give him a letter.
• 1:23:21
  That's right. What's Plan B?
• 1:23:22
  Oh yeah. OK, yeah, send the Penguins.
• 1:23:25
  Out. And fully loaded, we're going to
• 1:23:27
  blow up the whole city. That's great from filmmaking
• 1:23:29
  perspective. Like Grand.
• 1:23:31
  Absolutely. Big one.
• 1:23:33
  And then Batman with a couple of throw it again, thwarts it
• 1:23:38
  again. And then the fight with Penguin
• 1:23:42
  is 30 seconds. Yeah, it's not even like really
• 1:23:45
  all that interesting. And I love the radars in this
• 1:23:48
  movie, by the way. Yeah, they're actually pictures.
• 1:23:50
  Of the Penguins. The Penguins, yeah.
• 1:23:51
  And then Penguin falls through the roof.
• 1:23:53
  And to be honest with you, I had similar issues with the original
• 1:23:57
  Batman as well. The Joker falls off the church
• 1:24:00
  and that's it. The cathedral.
• 1:24:02
  And that's kind of it. Like there's nothing really
• 1:24:03
  super, really special. There's not big battle sequence
• 1:24:07
  or anything to kind of end. Not that you need it, but it
• 1:24:09
  kind of ends with a bit of a thud.
• 1:24:11
  Yeah, in this case. So I just thought like your,
• 1:24:15
  your, this is your main villain and the payoff, I just thought
• 1:24:18
  it was weak. OHT but those explosions.
• 1:24:20
  Great experience for sure. And that button, big red button.
• 1:24:24
  Absolutely, but it does open the door for Selena.
• 1:24:26
  Now for Catwoman. It seems that maybe the duel
• 1:24:29
  between Catwoman and Max. Is really the showcase kind of
• 1:24:33
  tells you that right which has been set up longer I suppose,
• 1:24:37
  but has spent less screen time. So there is there at the
• 1:24:40
  beginning of the movie sort of the first relationship we see.
• 1:24:43
  But I just it's a weird set up at this end.
• 1:24:47
  But she is on some sort of barge.
• 1:24:49
  It seems large to attack Max. Yeah, and Batman is trying to
• 1:24:54
  talk her out of. It.
• 1:24:55
  Yeah, not going to. Take no.
• 1:24:57
  And it's so interesting to me that he reveals himself, OK?
• 1:25:02
  Not, you know, not you sicko. But like, take it takes his
• 1:25:08
  mask. Off but you get that sense OK
• 1:25:10
  well no one in this room is going to be alive that's.
• 1:25:13
  Something's going on, yeah. Because he cannot be revealed
• 1:25:15
  like. That, that's right.
• 1:25:16
  I like what Bruce is saying to her.
• 1:25:18
  He's a man of reason. We don't have to be this.
• 1:25:19
  You're the same as me. We get it.
• 1:25:21
  We can make this work, you know. Whatever, come home with me.
• 1:25:24
  And so comment by the way, it's worth it.
• 1:25:27
  She's off her rocker. I mean, she's maybe a little
• 1:25:29
  little freaky. She needs one of those rooms.
• 1:25:34
  Or Summer Fair again, great performance.
• 1:25:38
  Nor give me Yeah. She wrestles against herself and
• 1:25:40
  then ultimately decides that Max has to go.
• 1:25:42
  Yeah. In a weird way.
• 1:25:44
  Yeah, so tell me about what your thoughts are on this Nine Lives
• 1:25:48
  thing. It's like a cliche with cats,
• 1:25:50
  but this takes it to another level.
• 1:25:52
  It does. Phillip.
• 1:25:53
  I didn't love it, but at this point.
• 1:25:56
  OK. And for the penny?
• 1:25:58
  Exactly, Phillip. So couple rounds off 1-2, you
• 1:26:02
  know, buck your shoe, whatever. Well, she's already died twice.
• 1:26:05
  Three times, actually. 4 Going to heaven, you know.
• 1:26:07
  Yeah, it's 45 still alive, 677 going to heaven.
• 1:26:12
  All good girls go to heaven. Yeah, she.
• 1:26:14
  Still has two left. Yeah, and she's gonna save one
• 1:26:17
  for next year. Yeah, for Christmas, I think,
• 1:26:19
  she said. So this has to go.
• 1:26:21
  So she loses her eighth life electrocuting him.
• 1:26:24
  Yeah, basically grabbing some sort of electrical current again
• 1:26:27
  on some sort of barge. Could get the Taser and just
• 1:26:29
  stuck the Taser in his mouth. She did that.
• 1:26:31
  It was with the. Taser.
• 1:26:32
  Oh, was it? Yeah.
• 1:26:34
  That was the current. Oh, gotcha.
• 1:26:36
  Yeah, it's Jaws 2. Which showed 2 on CBC Radio.
• 1:26:38
  The current yeah yeah, sure. Matt Galloway shout out there.
• 1:26:44
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did appreciate the makeup
• 1:26:46
  results of Max. Hmm, after being electrocuted?
• 1:26:50
  Absolutely. Looks great.
• 1:26:51
  Yeah. The only thing I had a problem
• 1:26:52
  with it is it took Batman way too long to find him.
• 1:26:55
  Like he's sort of like sifting through all this rubble and
• 1:26:58
  debris. A long.
• 1:26:59
  Day. It's a little thing, but it's
• 1:27:00
  sort of like this movie is bizarrely wrapping up in weird
• 1:27:03
  ways, so it's a little bit bumping.
• 1:27:04
  It's an odd nitpick. Yeah, but what I will honestly,
• 1:27:08
  is probably my favorite sequence in the movie is what happens
• 1:27:12
  next. So Penguin shows up.
• 1:27:13
  He's risen if you will, and I don't know why but I remember
• 1:27:18
  being quite emotional at 13 watching this.
• 1:27:21
  OK, there you go through. Some changes or not, in a
• 1:27:23
  situation where I'm like crying, it's not obviously that level.
• 1:27:26
  No judgment, buddy, but I'm watching it this time.
• 1:27:28
  The sadness of that character rising from the dead effectively
• 1:27:34
  and bleeding and all the sort of.
• 1:27:37
  He's got 2. Secretions and so forth.
• 1:27:39
  The mercury coming. Out coming out of his mouth and
• 1:27:43
  obviously trying to be vengeful and reaching for the umbrella
• 1:27:46
  and accidentally grabbing the cute 1 is like grab the cute
• 1:27:49
  one. Yeah, there's 12 in there.
• 1:27:50
  They were. They're labeled no.
• 1:27:52
  You don't. First problem you gotta label.
• 1:27:53
  Get a label. Maker.
• 1:27:54
  And then he's staggering and he sort of gets distracted and a
• 1:27:57
  cool drink of water. Yeah.
• 1:27:59
  And then collapsing and watching the Penguins kind of gather and
• 1:28:03
  take them in this procession. Yeah.
• 1:28:05
  It's a gorgeous score. Gut wrenching.
• 1:28:07
  It's A beautiful moment. And it's so grotesquely
• 1:28:11
  appealing. I can't explain why, but I find
• 1:28:13
  that 3 minutes to be really engaging and bizarrely emotional
• 1:28:19
  from a performance perspective. I don't know if you felt
• 1:28:21
  anything like. That Yeah, no, I don't disagree.
• 1:28:23
  I think I think it's a fitting end for that character.
• 1:28:27
  Yeah. It all felt like yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:29
  It's a sad though. It's almost entirely beautiful.
• 1:28:31
  Weird way it's batting above its average.
• 1:28:33
  Yeah, baseball thing. Yeah.
• 1:28:35
  Well, you know. Sure, tis the season a little
• 1:28:37
  bit more than the other death that we got with Max, ironically
• 1:28:40
  because we didn't like the first death of Penguins, but this
• 1:28:43
  becomes a big thing and I think it's a good capper.
• 1:28:47
  And I think to what you've said earlier, at the end of the day,
• 1:28:50
  he was a bad guy, obviously wants to kill all the children.
• 1:28:53
  But I think that what you alluded to earlier with the
• 1:28:56
  parents and like trying to find himself, I think that this is
• 1:28:59
  where that undercurrent, even if it doesn't in his character, it
• 1:29:03
  isn't his performance. And so the fact that he has
• 1:29:06
  lived that life of isolation and torment and relegated to the
• 1:29:10
  sewers and all of that pathos and sadness of that character
• 1:29:14
  and then dying the way he does with only his Penguins to sort
• 1:29:17
  of take care of him in a weird way.
• 1:29:20
  I don't know, there's just something about that I fucking
• 1:29:22
  just really connected with And I, I've always connected like
• 1:29:25
  for 30 years, like still do since I saw it was like, God,
• 1:29:28
  that's still really delivers in ways that even if I don't watch
• 1:29:31
  the whole rest of the movie, I could watch that 3 or 4 minutes
• 1:29:35
  and still feel something pretty powerful.
• 1:29:37
  Imagine you feel it more too now than you would a 13.
• 1:29:39
  Year old, sure, absolutely. The residence of that is
• 1:29:42
  definitely gone deeper for sure experiences and such.
• 1:29:44
  So some things. You did do the things.
• 1:29:48
  That's right. Yeah.
• 1:29:49
  So. Finishes strong for you.
• 1:29:50
  Good. I think so.
• 1:29:51
  And then obviously the wraps up and Fast forward another year.
• 1:29:55
  Then we see Catwoman, or we think we do what we do.
• 1:29:58
  That's right, Bruce thinks he sees a cat or shadow sorry of
• 1:30:02
  her and then finds out it's a cat.
• 1:30:05
  I like that a lot. And and we get a little, you
• 1:30:08
  know, if he could have one wish peace on earth, goodwill towards
• 1:30:13
  men and women. Is that word for word?
• 1:30:16
  What Whistler? Says exactly what Whistler says.
• 1:30:18
  Absolutely. Same here.
• 1:30:20
  Same year I think. Pretty sure.
• 1:30:22
  It is actually, yeah. I was looking up 92 movies.
• 1:30:24
  Yeah, what's there? What a RIP off.
• 1:30:28
  Daniel Waters or Phil Alden Robinson who said it.
• 1:30:32
  First good question. But I like it.
• 1:30:34
  It's a good ending. Score rises, pans up, we see a
• 1:30:37
  CGI Catwoman. Yeah, you would imagine there is
• 1:30:41
  going to be a. Catwoman totally a setup for
• 1:30:42
  this sequel. But not in any two necessarily.
• 1:30:45
  I guess not. Move on, not till 2000
• 1:30:47
  something. So here we are David.
• 1:30:48
  Now we've done another Batman movie in the books.
• 1:30:51
  What are your final thoughts on the film here?
• 1:30:53
  What's your experience? I know you said wait till the
• 1:30:55
  end. Here it is.
• 1:30:56
  Well, here we are. Yeah, this is our 7th Burton
• 1:30:59
  movie. Just kidding, I counted 4 while
• 1:31:01
  I was thinking earlier. We did Pee Wee's Big Adventure 5
• 1:31:04
  then and we did the two Batmans and we did Big Fish Beer Juice
• 1:31:08
  and we did Beetlejuice. Yeah, you might be right.
• 1:31:11
  Yeah, you might be right. What I'm right about though is I
• 1:31:15
  think this is a. Better movie than the original.
• 1:31:19
  OK, I think you're right. Whoa, I no, no, no.
• 1:31:23
  I figured you would be with the masses like you usually are.
• 1:31:27
  You and IMDb just line up. Sure, somehow you guys are in
• 1:31:30
  cahoots, I think. Not that it doesn't have any
• 1:31:33
  faults, I think it is gorgeous in terms of cinematography and
• 1:31:39
  set design. It just holds up so good.
• 1:31:43
  I'm really impressed by that. I love all the characters and
• 1:31:47
  they went that extra mile to give these characters some,
• 1:31:51
  well, character, you know, Which I don't really think they did in
• 1:31:55
  the first one. The original, I don't know if I
• 1:31:58
  said it during the episode, but I think the editing was a bit of
• 1:32:00
  a mess. You didn't mention.
• 1:32:01
  That did I believe this one, Although there are some pacing
• 1:32:05
  issues, it is a little bit longer movie and like you said,
• 1:32:08
  there's maybe places you can kind of fix that.
• 1:32:11
  That would be my only sort of gripe about it.
• 1:32:14
  But I love the story. So ultimately I think it is a
• 1:32:17
  solid movie that holds up and it's an odd case of the sequel
• 1:32:23
  being, in my opinion, better than the first one.
• 1:32:26
  If you can even be close to the first one, it's a win.
• 1:32:29
  So I think a lot of people would say it's competes with the
• 1:32:34
  original. It's certainly not a huge drop
• 1:32:36
  off. I think you're bang on.
• 1:32:38
  We've done a lot of sequels this year.
• 1:32:39
  If you look back on the season, we have done a sequel heavy.
• 1:32:41
  We've talked about certainly like Jurassic Park, right, that
• 1:32:44
  drop. Off that's true, yes.
• 1:32:45
  Going from the original to Lost World is like a disaster to.
• 1:32:49
  Me, it is for me if you watch them back-to-back.
• 1:32:52
  Sure. Yeah, because I.
• 1:32:53
  Remember clearly. Oh my God.
• 1:32:55
  Yeah. And so in this case, I think
• 1:32:57
  you're exactly right. I think this movie does
• 1:32:59
  everything that the first movie does, but does it better,
• 1:33:02
  Correct. It does it bigger, it does it
• 1:33:04
  broader. As much as I love Jack Nicholson
• 1:33:07
  as the Joker, I think DeVito is phenomenal as the Penguin and I
• 1:33:10
  think FIFA really excellent as Catwoman.
• 1:33:12
  I think Batman has nothing to do in this that will say if there
• 1:33:15
  is a fault is that the Batman character and the Bruce
• 1:33:18
  character aren't really integral to the thing.
• 1:33:21
  What was that like in the first one for his on screen?
• 1:33:24
  I think because remember he was on more often.
• 1:33:27
  Just him in the Joker. Right.
• 1:33:28
  It's just him and the Joker and his origin story, and I think
• 1:33:32
  here there's just too many things to cut away to, and
• 1:33:34
  frankly too many more interesting things.
• 1:33:36
  Batman is not interesting. So I don't necessarily expect to
• 1:33:39
  have a ton of Batman. Stuff as long as the other
• 1:33:41
  stuff. Interesting.
• 1:33:42
  But I do think he's given a little short shrift just because
• 1:33:46
  Max is so entertaining and interesting and Penguin and
• 1:33:49
  Catwoman are all really cool. Yeah, it's too much movie for
• 1:33:53
  the two hours and 4 minutes, so I think I would like it to just
• 1:33:55
  be longer movie so that these things can breathe a little
• 1:33:58
  more, but recognizing that's not the movie they're going to make.
• 1:34:01
  So it's a gripe, but it's not like it screwed something.
• 1:34:04
  Up. It's his script.
• 1:34:05
  He's so mad he didn't show up for the That's right.
• 1:34:07
  But I love walking in it, I love the performances and I love the
• 1:34:11
  style, like I said. So I agree with you 100%.
• 1:34:14
  The first one will always have a place in my heart because of its
• 1:34:17
  impact on me and the cultural phenomenon behind it.
• 1:34:20
  Sure, yeah, this doesn't have any of that.
• 1:34:22
  But it's a better movie, I think, for sure.
• 1:34:24
  So. I'm I'm surprised to hear that
• 1:34:26
  from you because, well, you're usually wrong.
• 1:34:30
  Yeah, so it's not it's not untrue.
• 1:34:33
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• 1:34:36
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• 1:34:38
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• 1:34:40
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• 1:34:42
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