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Distinctions - Towers of Midnight prologue pt2 - EP545 · WoT Spoilers

• 0:12
  Speaker 1: This is the Wheel of Time spoilers bloodcast speaking of
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  Speaker 1: dying in this house. So we talk about the Borderlands.
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: Well, first we have to talk about Gallid and Faine. Yeah,
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: first we have to talk about Faine. I mean, before
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: we can talk about Fane, we have to talk about Galad.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that such a funny name to say I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Know something about all the deeds? Yeah, I guess because
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  Speaker 2: he's such a dick. He's actually not being a dick
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: in this He's being pretty cool in this session.
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  Speaker 1: Because this is really where he changes, right, I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, I would argue he started to change at the
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  Speaker 2: beginning of last book when he killed Valda. But yes,
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  Speaker 2: this which is the new Galade, continuing to stay the
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: course of the New Goalade.
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  Speaker 1: Although this is one of those moments where I really
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  Speaker 1: he gets arrested and then the next time we see him,
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  Speaker 1: he's being broken out by the people who support him,
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  Speaker 1: and I would have that's one of those things where ah,
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  Speaker 1: that was all off screen. I would have liked to
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  Speaker 1: see some of that, because like austinaw is this big
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  Speaker 1: threat right in this chapter and then the next chapter, oh,
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  Speaker 1: Austina was dead. He was killed off screen? And you're like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of disappointing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it would have been cool to see some
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  Speaker 2: like parallels with a Gwayin and Galad and how they
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: handle captivity and torture and all that. It would have
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  Speaker 2: been fun to be like, oh, like, there's there's a
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  Speaker 2: man and he's a white cloak and he's having these
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  Speaker 2: like amazing parallels to how the omerline handled her unjust
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  Speaker 2: punishments like that would have been good, a good use
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  Speaker 2: of page time. But alas, we have to imagine it.
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  Speaker 1: But alas so, yeah, this is prologue Part two. I
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  Speaker 1: think we're gonna get through the rest of the prologue.
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  Speaker 1: Today is the plan, and we're gonna start off with
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  Speaker 1: Gala Damandro Gallard Domandra, Lord Captain, Commander of the Children
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  Speaker 1: of the Yet Light yanked his booted foot free of
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  Speaker 1: the ankle deep mud with a slurping sound bite. Mees
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  Speaker 1: buzzed in the muggy air. The stench of mud and
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  Speaker 1: stagnant water threatened to gag him with each breath as
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  Speaker 1: he led his horse to drier ground. On the path
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  Speaker 1: behind him trudged a long, twisting column, four men wide,
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  Speaker 1: each one as muddled sweaty and weary as he was.
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  Speaker 1: They were on the border of Giladan and Altara, in
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  Speaker 1: a swampy wetland where the oaks and spice woods had
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  Speaker 1: given way to laurels and spidery cypress. Their nile roots
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  Speaker 1: spread like spindly fingers. The stinking air was hot despite
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  Speaker 1: the shade and cloud cover, and thick it was like
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  Speaker 1: breathing in a foul soup. Gallad steamed beneath his breastplate
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  Speaker 1: and his mail, his conical helmet hanging from his saddle,
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  Speaker 1: his skin itching from the rhyme and salty sweat. Miserable
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  Speaker 1: though it was, this route was the best way, Asanawa
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  Speaker 1: would not attempt it. Gollud wiped his brow with the
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  Speaker 1: back of his hand and tried to walk with his
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  Speaker 1: head held high for the benefit of those who followed him,
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  Speaker 1: seven thousand men, children who had chosen him rather than
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  Speaker 1: the song chan in Vedas.
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  Speaker 2: It was so posh as we do are a very
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  Speaker 2: righteous retreat to the rear.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying stuff, man, I'm trying stuff.
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  Speaker 2: No, I like it. I like it. It fits Galad,
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  Speaker 2: especially here with his leg Well. I have to look
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  Speaker 2: honorable and strong and give my speech to the men
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  Speaker 2: so that they can be inspired and children of the
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  Speaker 2: light last battle. I get that that was a really
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  Speaker 2: appropriate attitude for how he's thinking of himself here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the Kate Riding has started giving
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  Speaker 1: the Endorans the British accent in these last books pretty heavily,
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  Speaker 1: which you know, it feels like a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a change, but not that much. Like it's very subtle.
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  Speaker 2: It's like she's leaning into what was there already. She
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  Speaker 2: just like turned it up seven hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: But and for me, I can justify it to be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: when a lane's out on the road, of course she
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  Speaker 1: kind of like reduces some of the aristotic acts. But
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  Speaker 1: you know Galad of course, and in the Palace you're
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  Speaker 1: going to see much more of that and much more,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as they're actually queens and stuff, they're going
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  Speaker 1: to play that up a little bit. So that's that's
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  Speaker 1: my reasoning behind it.
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  Speaker 2: I like it. I like it. Gold's leading seven thousand
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  Speaker 2: rebellious children through the swamp and he thinks that they're
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  Speaker 2: going in circles or that the maps are wrong, but
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  Speaker 2: actually they're being led in circles by traders and the
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  Speaker 2: whole Ascidama won't anticipate it is like, well, actually his
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  Speaker 2: plants initiated it, right, right, you know.
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  Speaker 1: That's the other reason. It's like, dude, Galad, you got
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  Speaker 1: fooled easy, right, Like he's so trusting, he's so trusting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, we were getting a correction in
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  Speaker 2: chat that watfact said that, yes, and Dorn's were specifically
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  Speaker 2: supposed to have English accents. In our ja's imagining, that
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  Speaker 2: is very much how that always was, which makes sense
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  Speaker 2: because you know, he's got Elizabeth the first ruling, the
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  Speaker 2: capital scence.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's very obvious that that and
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  Speaker 1: Dorian is you know, old school Elizabethan England, right for sure.
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  Speaker 1: And then you've got like the two Rivers that's a
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  Speaker 1: little more farmy, a little.
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  Speaker 2: More apparently it's supposed to be Welsh according to that
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  Speaker 2: same source. Sure, so that uh yeah, that feels correct.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck you England, you don't own us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that feels accurate.
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  Speaker 2: We have a dragon on our flag. I guess technically
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  Speaker 2: that you Rivers has a wolf, but you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you've got like, you know, a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of the southern states that represent Italy and Greece and
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: like you can really go We've we've done this before
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  Speaker 1: where we've looked at all of the various countries and
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  Speaker 1: like it's basically Europe flipped backwards.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, right, yep, yep, very much so. So yeah, Goalt
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  Speaker 2: is kind of as he's hiking through, he's thinking about
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: the last battle and how they're going to need to
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: quit dicking around with human politics and go face ultimate
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  Speaker 2: evil and make alliance with us to die, and not
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  Speaker 2: worry about the other children that are allied with the
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  Speaker 2: shan Shin, and like we really just need to go
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  Speaker 2: north and find wherever it is that the dragon at
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  Speaker 2: all is doing the battle. And you know he's got
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  Speaker 2: children being like fighting with the dragon. What He's like, Hello,
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  Speaker 2: have none of you actually read the classical education books
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  Speaker 2: that we all had to read.
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  Speaker 1: Well, And Galad is really, i think for the first time,
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  Speaker 1: questioning himself. Right, there is this moment where he's like,
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  Speaker 1: this is this crazy world where the sky was cloud
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  Speaker 1: of black, where good men died, the strange twistings of
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  Speaker 1: the pattern where Vald the Lord Captain commander before Galad
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  Speaker 1: had turned out to be a murder and a rapist
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  Speaker 1: and He's like, this is a crazy world. I feel it,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not sure that my compass is necessarily the right.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I thought following the white cloaks and going
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  Speaker 1: for the light and going for you know, good, was
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  Speaker 1: following the white cloak way. But it turns out, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Lord Captain Commander was a murderer and a rapist, so
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  Speaker 1: maybe not like it turns out our dear leader as
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  Speaker 1: a rapist, Like that's maybe something you should reconsider following him.
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  Speaker 1: If he turns out to be a rapist in the
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  Speaker 1: highest seat in the land, maybe you shouldn't be voting
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  Speaker 1: for him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we all believed in this meritocracy where you
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: just have to follow the rules and then everyone is
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  Speaker 2: rewarded according to their contributions and lawful good right exactly
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: exactly is that lawful good naivete mm hmm. And then yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's really going through like now he's in charge of
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  Speaker 2: people and he's being forced to you know. It's it's
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  Speaker 2: the thing that Brand was trying to talk to Gowin
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  Speaker 2: about whom to serve, whom to give your loyalty and
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  Speaker 2: allegiance to. It's it's that conversation but iterated through glad
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  Speaker 2: and it's like, huh, yeah, I have to pick a
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  Speaker 2: different organization to put my unquestioning trusted, which is like, no,
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  Speaker 2: don't put your own questioning trust in anything. But you
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  Speaker 2: know baby steps well.
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  Speaker 1: And also this he's like, there's there's practically the last
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  Speaker 1: battle is going on, like that has to change things,
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  Speaker 1: Like we can no longer stick with the status quo
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  Speaker 1: because of the last battle, which is something that of
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  Speaker 1: course the old leaders don't want to hear. They want
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  Speaker 1: to just status quo it the whole time. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they want to be very conservative about their opinions.
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  Speaker 2: Right, well, clearly it's been working for them. Why would
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  Speaker 2: they want to give up their ill gotten gains just
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  Speaker 2: to make life better for the rest of people.
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  Speaker 1: I Mean, the problem is when the status quo is
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  Speaker 1: leading to world ending climate change, I mean last battles
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  Speaker 1: and you need to change what you're doing or else
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  Speaker 1: you're just going to end up at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the world. And sure you'll make some money in the meantime,
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  Speaker 1: and oh, you may die before the last battle's over,
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  Speaker 1: so who cares. But like there's the rest of the
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  Speaker 1: world to think about. And if you give up on
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the world to make money, like you're
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  Speaker 1: a bad person, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like the peasants might have something to say
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  Speaker 2: about that en mass before you get into your gold
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  Speaker 2: plated coffin. But whatever, it's none of bad business. It's
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  Speaker 2: not like I live in this world. It's all fantasy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a fantasy world, one hundred percent, no
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  Speaker 1: relevance to every day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Boujie seriously studying biology, be like this is fine,
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  Speaker 2: dog in fire.
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  Speaker 1: The world's on fire, everything's getting hotter.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's definitely where Goalata is at. Is like
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  Speaker 2: he thought everything was fine and he is finally waking
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  Speaker 2: up to the fact that the house is on fire,
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  Speaker 2: and he's like, oh, I am not sure what to
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  Speaker 2: do about that, but there's seven thousand soldiers looking at
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  Speaker 2: me to figure it out without looking uncertain, so stiff
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  Speaker 2: upper lip engage.
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  Speaker 1: And I know. The solution is not to be fighting
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  Speaker 1: with the shawn Chan right, like they are not our enemies.
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  Speaker 1: We need to be fighting the dark One despite the
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  Speaker 1: fact that they, you know, and we're we need to
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  Speaker 1: come to terms of the fact that we're gonna have
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: to work with channelers, right just because their channelers doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make them inherently evil, which is something that like, yes, Galade,
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  Speaker 1: your mother was raised in the White Tower, you grew
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  Speaker 1: up around Alida, which I mean, okay, fair enough evil, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like I get that, but like, you know, at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, he really grew up. It's like someone who
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: grew up in a diverse neighborhood joining the KKK and
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  Speaker 1: going like, yeah, but I knew these people and they
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  Speaker 1: were my friends, so I don't really believe your ideology.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Golode's adopted mom was raised in the thing. I
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  Speaker 2: actually I guess both of them because they're both channelers.
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  Speaker 1: Technically was Goalode's was Randon Goalod's mother was ty granded channeler.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she was. I think she was from
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: a line of channelers, but I don't think she ever.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, she would have gone to the White Tower,
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  Speaker 2: because daughter heirs go to the White Tower, right right, right,
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  Speaker 2: But God, I had a different point than I got
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  Speaker 2: distracted by that. But yeah, it's like he's he's coming
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  Speaker 2: to the realization that you cannot have purity politics in
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: your coalition. Thanks coming to the realization that we're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to work with people on whom we disagree about.
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  Speaker 2: Some pretty profound attitudes towards life, the universe and everything
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  Speaker 2: and how society should be run. We're going to have
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  Speaker 2: to allow those diversity of opinions to exist while we
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: all unify behind dealing with the existential planet destroying evil
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  Speaker 2: that threatens our ability to have different attitudes about channeling
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: and other things that people can be very divisive about.
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  Speaker 1: It's why I forgive the working with the Shawn Chan
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: is the like, no, we're not a fan of the slavery,
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: we're not a fan of the caste system. Like there
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: are problems with the shawn Chan that we have to
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: ignore while we fight off the dark one, right, Like
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: it's just and nobody's happy about it, and it does
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: lead to conflict afterwards, right, Anyone can look at the
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: Russia US relationship after World War Two or it was like, yeah,
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: we have to deal with the Germans and then we'll
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: deal with the Russia relationship afterwards, and that hasn't really
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: worked out for.
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  Speaker 2: Us, right, like right, right, but like that other issue
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  Speaker 2: needed dealt with exactly exactly, yeah, exactly. Galta is going
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  Speaker 2: through the come to Jesus moment that the entire establishment
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: left needs to go through. Yeah, it's and it's it's
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's a little slow about it. It takes
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  Speaker 2: him maybe more plot cycles than I could wish for
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  Speaker 2: him to come through all of this, but he is
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  Speaker 2: ultimately going through a very important and necessary transition into
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  Speaker 2: being a much more effective leader. This is the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of a transition that does I think stick the landing
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  Speaker 2: in a way that a lot of these other plots
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  Speaker 2: we've been complaining about recently kind of don't stick the landing.
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  Speaker 2: I do think Galad's transformation.
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  Speaker 1: Does, if only because he doesn't go through any of
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  Speaker 1: it before these books. Really it's very little love it right, Like,
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: he's a very static character for a long time, and
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: then Brandon comes in and is able to like do
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  Speaker 1: his evolution, where some of the other characters, if he
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: resets them back to where they were in book five,
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  Speaker 1: I feel.
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  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, with Glad, you don't notice the difference. That's valid.
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  Speaker 1: So the troops are getting all sweaty and hot and
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: gross because they're stuck in this swamp that appears to
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: be going for far longer than it shows on the
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  Speaker 1: maps because Dark One's influence and swamps are expanding.
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  Speaker 2: And lying scouts I think lying scouts is worth the issue.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I always you know, I thought it was another
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  Speaker 1: example of the dark One changing I did.
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  Speaker 2: Too, but like they went into the swamp because of
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  Speaker 2: the lying scouts, and you really rely on scouts to
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  Speaker 2: interpret maps, so I think that they were able to
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: hide their lies behind Oh, the dark ones just twisting
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  Speaker 2: the d I don't know. I'm pretty sure that's what's happening,
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  Speaker 2: or it's both.
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  Speaker 1: It's could be both, but you're right, it's the swamp
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  Speaker 1: is probably small, and they're going in circles, and so
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  Speaker 1: it's like they think they're going straight, but they're actually
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: going in circles, which makes the swamp seem much much
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: bigger than it actually is.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's my interpretation because Goalad says that the scouts
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  Speaker 2: the bad the traders guess we're the ones who suggested entering.
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  Speaker 1: The swamp, and there's no suns, there's no way to
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  Speaker 1: tell what direction you're going.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the great whiteness is like, well, we know that
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  Speaker 2: that's Southish and that's Northish, but that doesn't give you
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  Speaker 2: a lot of east west fidelity at all. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 2: Galad does some gentle propaganda to keep the men's spirits up,
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  Speaker 2: which you know, in dire circumstances whatever, lean on your
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: your group mottos and ethos to be like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: can do this. Like normally, I think it's kind of weird.
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  Speaker 2: Propaganda's mind games, but you know, when you're hiking through
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  Speaker 2: a swamp, you do what you gotta do. It's okay.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: We get some like propaganda from Bayar who's like, we
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: will have hundreds of thousands of troops because we are
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: the children of the light and the light. It's that
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  Speaker 1: like magical thinking that like, because we're in the right,
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  Speaker 1: we will just have all these troops. It's like, where
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: are they going to come from?
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna shoot up a church and then the race
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  Speaker 2: war will start and then we're gonna win. Okay, sure,
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  Speaker 2: step four profit.
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  Speaker 1: That's buyer, definitely Step four profit. And he's like, where's
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: step three, man, where's step three? Yeah? And that's where
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: you know, Gallad pulls them back in and it's like,
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  Speaker 1: we're probably gonna have to work with some other people.
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  Speaker 1: We're not just going to be able to do it
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  Speaker 1: by ourselves because there's not enough of us and we
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: keep splitting and killing each other.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he has the same Uh, this is
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: one of those moments where you're like, oh, he should
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: team up with Parent because he says every human that
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: we kill is a blow for the dark One, and
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, oh, him and Parent need to team
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: up because they both have the same attitude that human
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  Speaker 2: on human violence is the dumbest thing you could be
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  Speaker 2: doing on the eve of the Last Battle.
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  Speaker 1: Which I mean, it's clearly intended as foreshadowing to them
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  Speaker 1: getting together, right, because that's this whole plot arc, is
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  Speaker 1: the two of them meshing, getting together and realizing like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we have the same goal, which is preserve human life
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  Speaker 1: for the last battle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this is I think when you're like, oh,
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: that's where this is going. That's how we're going to
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: resolve a lot of these plot threads. Is Gollad and
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Parent are going to have a romance.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: So as they're hiking, they come across a bunch of
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: bodies in a river. Those are from here we go
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: dead mules. Did I talk about this in the episode
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  Speaker 1: or was that just.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: An very briefly for the last episode, But here are
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: the dead mules, So you should probably reiterate that point, right.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: So the issue basically someone asked Robert Jordan about writing
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Southern material, and he basically said, because he wrote the
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: under a different pen name, he wrote some early American
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: era Southern literature, right, He's like, in the Southern novel,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: you always got to have a dead mule. I don't
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: know if that's a reference to one of his other
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: books or what he's like. And I've got to include
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: them somewhere in the wheel of time. And so in
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: an interview he said that he'd managed to include dead
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: mules in the prologue for a Memory of Light, and
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: so here is the place where the dead mules appear.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: So this again seems to be evidence that the Gallied
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: POV at least was written probably more by Jordan than
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: by Sanderson, because he if he wrote the dead mules
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: in the rolog he probably wrote this.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Scene much nodding, much nodding.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, So that's the whole point of that. As I
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: wanted to say, is this feels like a you know,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: it feels Jordanesque to me.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, it does, and that gives us a strong sense
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: of we're not completely blowing smoke up our own asses,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: like no, it is.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: It is more Jordanian, unlike the next two povs which
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: feel very Sanderson to me. And there's a lot of evidence,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: especially in the second, the last POV, because there's so
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: much reuse of Stormline archive stuff. I'll point that out
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: as we get to it, specifically, like TN is a
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: reuse character name and they talk about cooks and stuff
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, Then the next thing I have is
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: that you can tell that Galad and Elaine are related
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: because he wants a good bath. He's walking through the
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: thing and he's like, I just want a bath, and
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, So he's half sibling to Elayne, right,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: They're shared parent is their dad, which means that Teringale
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: was also a bath person.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, it might just be having been raised in
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: a palace where you can get a bath at any
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: time with no work whatsoever.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: No, it's definitely epigenetic. Okay, this has to be genic.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: There's no way. It's cultural. Absolutely not.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: It's it's not like the only other person we know
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: who loves bath is related to them or anything. Moraine
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: see domondread right, d exactly the domondreads.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody else in this entire world likes baths. Only
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: this one family has invented baths and it's an important
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: part of their particular family experience. That's the simplest explanation
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I can think of.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Everyone else just does bucket scrubs and is fine with it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Or saunas, Yeah, well sweat tense not me, No, thank you.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I've done enough saunas. I know I don't like them.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: It's a very particular way. Well, I've never done the
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: like sauna where you're getting scraped, right, I feel like
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: that's the difference, is there, Like screw the grime off
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: as they sweat.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I just can't deal with being overheated. So I don't
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: care what you do or don't do to my skin.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: It's the being overheated inside my skin that is the problem.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I think they work really well because it's like cold
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: at night and so you can, like if you get overheated,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you step outside and just like get frozen by the
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: cold night.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: And I know the amazing tingling, rushing adrenaline sensation of
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: going from a sweating hot room into like a water bag,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: like a cold water bag. Like I've done it. I
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: know how it feels. But I have such sensory issues
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: with being overheated. The na Nah, but I know that
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: they are in so many ways a superior way of
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: dealing with like your health and your cleanliness, and like,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: there's a good reason why there's so popular around the world.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: I do like a good jump into a hot tub
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and then a cold pool. I've done that a bunch
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: when I was bad access to hot tubs more than
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: sawmus so that that can be fun. Same same sort
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: of idea where you get yourself sweating and then you
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: jump and you get sort of the shock to your
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: system to cool yourself down.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I don't like transitions.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like transition therapy.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like again, I know what it feels like. I've
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: done it enough times to know what I'm missing out on.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I just.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Can't we just be moderate.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: They're talking about stopping at midday, but they're way past
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: midday because they've totally lost track of time and they
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: expected to be out of the swamp before midday.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then and Galata explains that he's planning on
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: taking them to some estates he owns an and Or,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: even though and Or is not broadly friendly to the
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: children of the Light. He's like, but I have a
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: couple of estates we can go to and hang out.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: It's like, I know somebody who might have to go
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: to my country.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: We'll go to my house on the lake. It's just like, okay,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: fucking one percenter.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: He does this whole like, is Rand Althor the dragon reborn?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: He's a puppet of the tower. Well, he's better be
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the dragon reborn because it's clear that the last battle
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: is coming, so you know, essentially, you know, in my mind,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: he's like, we gotta put our money on dragon on
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Rand Alphor is the dragon reborn because this is clearly
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the land is breaking.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I appreciate having someone think through the questions
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: around Rand in like a kind of unique way. Like
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: most people are like they just don't want to believe
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: because they don't want it to be the end of
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the world. But Galt is very critically being like, someone,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: is the dragon reborn at this point? Is it Althor?
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Let's critically and analyze it, because most people are just like, well,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: if the dragon's reborn, it's clearly Althor, and Gold's like, well,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: let's let's separate these assumptions and actually examine them on
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: their own merits then reach a conclusion.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: And I appreciate that, of course, then I love is like,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean he couldn't still be controlled by
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the isid eye.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Well, given how much Rand spends stressing about worrying about
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: being controlled by the iside, I mean that's not a
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: bad take. Like the isid ie are all up in there.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Moraine Codswain right, Like he's had a
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: lot of land here.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, it's just like I love how Golaude is.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: For all that he's normally a very binary black and
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: white thinker, he's also like, maybe there's some nuance to
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: these assumptions that we could tease out.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Which is that's what making Gallaude such a good character
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: is that he is adding nuance into his worldview, and
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that's something you don't get from someone who's normally a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: black and white That's his journey, right, that's his character arc,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: is to go from a black and white thinker to
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: someone who has nuance and can compromise and can work
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: with parent and be involved in the last battle and
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: be a hero even when maybe he's not doing it
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: under his ideal circumstances.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and uh yeah, they get on out of
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the bug and into the frying pan.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Side and relief relishing the thought of being out in
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: the open again. He stepped from the trees. Only then
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: did an enormous force of troops begin to appear, climbing
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: over a rise directly to his right.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Just like very cinematic levels of timing there.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: And these are the questioners, right, the yeah, less troopy troops.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I'm always like, couldn't you just don't them? Don't that
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: they the worst troops like the questioners suck? You could
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: just take them down?
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Is I think it's it's the questioners and all of
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: the other children who didn't know how they needed to
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: split when Galad did them. I'm pretty sure this is
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: more than just the questioners, because again it's it's very
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: the parallels between Galad and Aguayin with the way that
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: their orders are splitting down the middle. There's so many
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: parallels there. So I'm pretty sure that the bulk of
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: all the children went with the questioner contingent well.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: And also the larger number were foot soldiers, not wearing
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the white of children but instead the simple brown leathers
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: a meditians, likely provided by the shan Chan. So there's
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: a huge force of shan Chan Amediitians there.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Right, not even children of any variety.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, just archers ready to shoot them down
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: if they fight back. So, of course the questioners don't
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: have their own troops. They borrow them from the shan.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Chan naturally, because they are the worst troops they really are. Yeah, no,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: that makes sense.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Ten thousand fresh troops, right, and he's got his like
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: six to seven thousand.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: You are all tired and exhausted and yeah.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: And most of those are he's what three to four
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: thousand children and six to eight thousand foot half of
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: those with bows. So you've got three thousand, four thousand
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: people with bows to go up against your I mean
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: they just mow them down.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I mean they are cavalry, so they would take a
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: lot of those archers down with them.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: But there's but there's troops and another cavalry.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the sean Chan and the questioners are happy to
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: throw those Amidusians into the meat grinder. It's like, it's fine,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: they don't care.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I love this this interaction. You are a trader child
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: born hauled. Yes, I suppose it could be perceived that
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: way where he's like, but that's empathy, right, He's like,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I understand how you could see it that way, you're wrong,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: but I can't understand how you can see it that way.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, which is like, yeah, yeah, I love I
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: love Glad. Glad really does not take it personally even
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: when other people do. And then Austin Awa rolls up
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: being the worst, basically being like guilty before proof, right,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: because it's because Glad. He's been like, well, I'm not
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: a dark friend, and you need to treat me a
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: certain kind of way because I'm not a dark friend,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: and Austin I was like, dark friends deserve no mercy.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: It's like, but you haven't even tried him yet. No,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: even by your own stupid laws, you haven't even done
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: the thing yet. You're already behaving as though the judgment
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: has been done, Like why does anyone take you seriously?
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: You are such a hypocrite it hurts.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: And I think it's caught in the trap of being like,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: you're all dark friends. And he's like, all seven thousand troops,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: half the force of the Children of the Light are
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: dark friends. And he's like, well, they're led by dark friends.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: And it's like this very squirrely like.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: And like they like they haven't been killing entire villages
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: for having harbored one dark friend. We're gonna murder the
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: six year old child because they had a dark friend
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: in their village, Like, you know, it's just that the hypocrisy,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the lust for violence that these people have is just
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: so inhuman, so unnerving. And then also and I was like, yeah,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: when you killed Valda in front of all of us
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: as witnesses under the light, clearly you drew on the
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: powers of shadow to overcome the light. And it's just
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: like that was the most sacred and correct duel you
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: could possibly have asked for it.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I saw the dragons fang sprout on your forehead.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: You know, you did the devil inquisition trial, Like, what
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: come on? They consorted with the devil. I saw them
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: at their devil's rights, fucking the devil with their cast
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: What were you doing at the devil's rights, sir?
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Anyway, which one Claude goes. So this was a duel
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: fought under the light. And if the shadow is stronger,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: there's no way if the shadow could be stronger than
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: light in that circumstance. So even if I did sprout
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: the devil's horn on my you know, forehead or whatever,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I should though still a law because it was a
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: fight under the light. If I was wrong, therefore shut
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the fuck.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Up, Like yeah, like, you're either denying the light or
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: you're lying, right, So.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Which one is it? Oh, you're lying well both maybe?
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I mean I think Ostuinawa has definitely drunk
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: his own koolid, you know, not quite as bad as
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: the prophet, but you know, in that vein in that
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: way totally.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: And then I love this reiteration my mother is dead, right,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: So the whole basis for this fight, which is so funny,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: is that his mother's dead, which she's not.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, legally she's kinda dead.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: And he did raper so I admitted to that, which
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: is enough. But yeah, I wish he'd stuck to that
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: more as like, oh, he killed my mother, because there's
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: that moment when he she's revealed later, and I wish
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: there'd been a little self reflection to be like, should
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I have killed Balda? Maybe there is I think there
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: is a moment.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Where yeah, no, there is, there is, But yeah, it
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: would have been fun if he'd lingered more on the
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: violence was done to my mother. Then my mother is
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: currently no longer alive. Yeah, and yeah, then he proposes
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: to much much like a GWayne. He proposes, like, here's
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: how we can you know, come back together, as you know,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: brothers separated for a time rather than killing each other.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like a Gway. And you married the
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: wrong brother.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so true, so true.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: You had to marry anyone. You seriously married the wrong brother.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: It is so funny though, that she did kind of
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: marry someone who could be considered a brother of Rand,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: right because they both have the same brother. Right, So
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: if you share a brother, are they not brothers in
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: a way? Right? Their family for sure of some kind.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: If you have multiple in laws, don't they just cancel
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: out multiple in laws in that equation. You could just
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: cancel that entirely and just say brother.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like she basically a Gwayne's whole relationship was to
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: crush on three brothers. That she went from Rand to
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Gallade to Gawain.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Y'all need a bigger gene pool. Yeah. So Paren, sorry,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Galad acts like Paren and says, I will submit with caveats,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: you know, basically treating himself for his people very much.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: What Paren was kind of negotiating in book four with
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: the White Cloaks.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: And what he and what he negotiates later with Golot. Right,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of parallels between what's happening here and
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the relationship that Paren puts himself basically in the situation
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: that Gold is in, which you know, maybe is one
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: of the reasons why Golott has a bunch of empathy
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: towards him later, right.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Right, right, Like, well that's what I would have done, yeah,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: And then and then he says, the dragon be born
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: walks the land, to which Alsinawa says heresy, to which
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Gold says, yeah and true, what are you gonna do
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: about it? It might be heresy, but it's also true.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: So and I think that's the difference between Gold and
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the other white cloaks is like they stop with, oh,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: it's heresy, therefore that we're just going to ignore it,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: whereas he's like, yeah, but if even if you don't
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: like it, the truth is still the truth, right, Like.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: You can deny gravity or a house on fire all
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: you want, but it's still going to like affect your
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: meat suit.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: It's gonna happen, right right, You're still gonna fall, like.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: You can you cannot believe in fire all you want,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: but it will burn you.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: And so glade in order to stop bloodshed, submits right.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: And orders his seven thousand to let him be taken, beaten,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: dragged out of sight, presumably under threat of being murdered
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: at any moment. He orders them to let that happen.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Which they don't.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: They do for a day a day.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but when next we see them, Austin all
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: is dead.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he gets pulled off of his horse and
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: stripped of his armor, beaten, He promises he will never
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: lie about being a dark friend, because you know, it's
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: who he is, and he gets beaten into unconsciousness and
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: then yeah, when we join him next, his soldiers decided
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: that they were unwilling to tolerate that and fixed it
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: while he was out called. I think there's also some
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: like in and out, he does get tortured, but it's
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: all off screen, right, He doesn't mention that there was
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: some torture sessions in there, but like more or less,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: he just passes out and then comes to with troum
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: being like, hey, we decided we didn't like custome knowledge, so.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: So goodbye everybody, which for such a shithead, I would
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: have related to see him get killed.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's like COOLi di in like, how dare
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: you not die? Like graphically on page please?
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: I want my revenge.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: And with that we moved to creepy, creepy, icky, icky,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: have fun Fain.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I love Patent Vaine. I really wish there was more
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: of them in the series, right, Like, I think he
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: made such a good active, chaotic anti hero but anti
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: bad guy fights. Everybody has all this power, and I
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: just I think he could have. There's so much potential
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: with Fain in terms of the structure of the world
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and everything.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: It's amazing. He's such a fascinating character, and Sanderson clearly
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: really liked writing Faine. Like Sanderson, I think has the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: same sort of hands rubbing together glee that you have
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: about getting to be in the Faine space.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: And as much as I don't like the way he
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: killed Faine, I thought I think he thought it was
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: going to be really clever.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, yeah, he might have flubbed on that, but
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I think he enjoyed writing him nonetheless.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Totally totally should you do a creepy voice?
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, fine, okay, boy, like you needed.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: To your army. The creature that had once been bad
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: in Faine walks down the side of a hill. The
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: brown weeds grew in broken patches, like the scrub on
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: the chin of a beggar. The sky was black a tempest.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: He liked that, though he hated the one who caused it, hatred,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: it was the proof that he still lived, the one
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: emotion left, the only emotion. It was all there could be, consuming, thrilling, beautiful, warming, violent, hatred, wonderful.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: It was the storm that gave him strength, the purpose
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: that drove him. Althor would die by his hand, and
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: perhaps after that the dark one one ful.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Give that man an award from the appropriate category. I
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: don't even know which, the Oscar an Emmy, Tony, I
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: don't know what the right one is. But it's good.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: It's good. It's so creepy because you really capture the
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: like there's seven different people a competing for the man's
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: inner voice.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Not that I can't be consistent in my accent, it's
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: that I'm representing seven different people.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, very good, entirely on purpose, entirely on.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Purpose, Yeah yeah, yeah, I just love him right like
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: and then because he's merging with Mashadar and like, there's
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: that just insand in like and machine shin right there's
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: all three of those elements in there, so I get
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: to add a little bit of the Machine Shin voice
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: that I like to do, the screaming, like the yeah screams,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: wonderful streams are screens. Yeah, all that right, And then
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: in that consuming, thrilling, beautiful warming, there's like that same
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: cadence of Machine Shin in his voice. It's so uh Yeah,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: he's fun, real scary.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: It's real scary, and yeah he is in his most
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: feral state. I would say he's really like Max Ferrell
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: at this point, wandering through deeper and deeper into the blaight,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: kind of gathering up his thrall army. He's reached the
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: bare knife phase of his relationship with the Dagger. He
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: doesn't use the sheath anymore.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: He's really his body. He is a seed of Mashidar, right,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the hate that is Mashidar.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: It was tied to shat Our Logoth. And when Rand
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: destroyed shat Our Logoth, he destroyed Mashidar right, because it
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: couldn't exist outside the place.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Except for the little bit in the Dagger.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Except for the bit in the Dagger and the soul
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: of more Death who got into padent Fane, right, and
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: you need both because one is the mind and one
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: is the.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Power, right, Yeah, because you've got more Death and Machin Shin,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: both of those creatures from air at Hall are both
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: inhabiting fame. They're not the same thing, Maschidar.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Machi and Shin is also in there, and
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: that's what like, there's also like then this whole problem
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: that the reason that he wasn't one hundred percent taken
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: over by more Death and didn't become more Death and
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: became something else is because he already had this like
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: taint of the dark in him.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which I think. And he also he got to
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: match In Shin before he got to masha Dar. Yeah,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: he got trapped in the ways.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Early and after no, because he follows.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: He gets he gets he gets the dagger.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: He gets the dagger first and then they go through
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: the waygate afterwards and he follows them through. So Mashadar
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: protects them from Machine Shin. But there's definitely an influence there.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: If anything, he influences Machine Shin, right, Like.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Truly match Engin was trapped in there with.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: Him, yes, exactly, but yeah, he's become the seed essentially
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: of Mashadar, right, he's become and so he is, and
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: we see it later.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: He's looking for a place to essentially put down roots
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and become another city and start to grow again.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's planktonic evil right now. He's drifting around
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: looking for a place to land and actually settled in roots.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: And he's heading north because there's a lot of vibes
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: up there that might make for fertile ground. You know,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: I think is why he's headed there.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean I think the main reason is he says,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not following randall Thora anymore. I know he's going
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: to be here at this time too, Yeah, and so
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to wait for him until, you know,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: like I know where the last battle is going to happen.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I know he's got to show up at shale Gohoul.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: So I'm just going to park my ass near shale
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Gool and be ready for it when he shows up
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: so I can grab him.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is actually why he's going there. And he's
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: also just killed a worm casual, yes, right right, because
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: the way just for funzie. It's just a little recreational
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: worm slaughter.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Which I think is just to show how dangerous. He is, right,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: like exactly the only other I mean, if we talk
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: about River of Souls, which is not necessarily in this book,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: but we'll have to talk about when we're actually going
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: to read that. We may have to do that between
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: books because that's when Demandred goes and slays a worm
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: and gets the chalice.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, contrasting Demondred going in there and having
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: like a big epic power battle versus Fege with his
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: dagger going in there and shredding the thing. I was like, oh,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: oh no, You're so much more powerful than Forsaken, oh
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: dear well.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: And I think his his touch is just poison to
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: anything that's related to the Dark One, right, he just
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: has this ability to corrupt anything, you know. We see
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: him with his corrupt trolls, which we saw the trollucs
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: get their pocks and boils when they went into Mashidar,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: into shadow logos and get touched by Mashidar.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Right, No, we saw that on the islands in the ways,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: right when they were all stone basically from the old traps.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, Yes, yeah, so that's oh man, It's
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: always I always wonder how much of famee is Mashidar.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: How much of him is maching Shin? How much is
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: the dark one? Like he's all He's a bubbling cauldron
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: of evils.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: He's all evils and none. Yeah, the omorline of evil.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why I just wish he was more effective.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I wish it was there was more moments where he
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: popped up, like he creates a little bit of chaos.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he should have been a bigger factor. And like,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: oh no, there's actually a third axis on this battle,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: exactly a binary axis. And no, there's actually a full
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: blown third party that is neither good nor evil, like
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the Finn kind of almost fulfilled that function, like mentally, right,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: the concept is that they are aside from the medieval thing,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: but they also don't have nearly as much like load
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: bearing plot hanging on them as Feine does.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Right, And he's just there's so much of He's involved
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: with Matt, he's involved with Rand. He's like he's such
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: a you know, he's there in the beginning. It's really
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: set up for him to be important at the last battle,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the fin you know, they come in a little bit later.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: They're they're not quite.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: As they do a lot, but yeah, yeah, less of
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: a Chekov's gun. They're like a Chekhov's like little pistol,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: whereas Fain is like a Chekhos bazouka.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: And the Finn kind of show up in the last battle.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Parent sees them fighting in his like when he's flicker
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: flicker flicking.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: That they're not fighting anyone in the real world. They're
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: just fighting like other creatures on other planes. Like it's confusing.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: It's fine. I like it. I like the weirdness of it,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: but like, yeah, they just don't have the same direct
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: threat aspect as Faine does.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: So yeah, what we There's a big long sequence where
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: he corrupts murderal and trollocks who approach them thinking they
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: found a sucker because it's a lone dude in the
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: middle of the you know.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Right, and then he eats them all for breakfast.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: He leaves the fade behind. He only takes the trolls
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the fade. He just leaves dead.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: But he is He's essentially sucking the souls out of them, right.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: The Mashadar, at least as far as I know, the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Maschidar in Shadow Logos was made up of the souls
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: of the citizens of the city and then anyone who
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: wanders in, right, and like it grows with souls, and
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: so Fain is essentially stealing trollic souls, right, which in
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: of themselves are kind of stolen souls. Right, Like there's
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: a huge you know, the theory that every trollec created
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: steals the that would have been reincarnated. Right. And the
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: whole reason you have murdrawl is because those are the
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: souls of the channelers who get stolen, right, And that's
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: why the percentage of murdraw matches the percentage of channelers.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe we can head canon that when Fain like
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: gets them away from the Dark One, that means that
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: once this life surface is over, they actually are freed again.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: That's like part of how he's anti evil is because
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: like the souls are no longer.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: And not that he ate the souls.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Well just I mean whatever he does with them, but
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: just that the dark One no longer has that hold,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Like he actually can like fully break them away from
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the Dark One into whatever he's doing. But like you know,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: he actually can negate the part where the Dark One
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: stole them. He's stealing them to his side.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like out of the pot into the fire
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: for sure, Like, I don't know if I want to
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: be a part of Machidar. Like that sucks.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, probably not a whole lot better.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: The screaming souls of Maschidar.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: M yeah, yeah, he probably won't let them go after
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: a period of service. That wouldn't be on brand.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Which which Semile was the one who ended up in
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: shadow logos who ran, didn't killed, but got sucked up
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: by Mashadar. Right, so I'm going to head canon that
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: he actually got killed when Rand cleansed the source because
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: his soul was like part of oh yeah yeah, or
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: at least he was eliminated totally at that point whatever
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: remnant of soul was part of Mashadar.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think the Dark One was able to
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: retrieve Sawmel at any point because yeah, goes into Mashadar
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: and then gets bail fire or not bail fired, but
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: you know, cleansing eliminated.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Because there's I want to say, it's a it's a
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Jordan answered a question where he basically said someone's like, hey,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: could Samoil come back, and he was like, no, his
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: soul was corrupted, and any soul that was brought back
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: would be likewise corrupted, and therefore there's no way for
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: the dark One to bring him back because he is
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: touched by Mashidar and that actually affected his soul before
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: it killed him. Yeah.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Whatever Fine is doing is definitely that, though in the
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: case of Troloc, they were already tainted twisted souls, so
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: you know, again frying pan fire, whatever.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, they become his slaves, right, and that's how
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: he forms his army. Is anyone who attacks him, you know,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: it's a zombie army. You attack it, you become part
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: of it, and it gets bigger and stronger.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and then Faine can get through whatever
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: army he needs to get through in order to get
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: to Rand and you know what is it? Stab through
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: the eye, open at the gut and consumed by handfuls
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: while drinking his blood as his friends. Yeah, okay, all right, buddy.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Oh and he leaves the Murdrawl because he actually his
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: touch instantly kills Murdrawl.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Oh right, it's not a choice, it's just a fact.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: It's dead totally already he touched it, so it's completely fried.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Because he's like, oh it's too bad, I
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: would have liked to have a few nails I would
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: have liked to put to use on this right, like
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: you're lucky.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Reference back to the murderrawl hanging in the door.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Right like, yes, yes, the door draw, the door drawl.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: But I love the fact that like mrdraw, which are
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: notoriously hard to kill, and even when you do kill them,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: they thrash around until sunrise or sunset, and it's like, oh,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: but one touch from Fane and they're gone totally, No,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: the connection is severed. They are no longer part of
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: this world.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, from being the scariest creature of all to
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: being instact killed at a touch, like how the mighty
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: have fallen as Faine has become an antagonist and.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: That reminds me verifying that my friends are not like Fane.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Before I let them hang out in private, I thought
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: you were supposed to bring food to eat, not eat
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: your friends.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Then we head to the last POV of the prologue,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: which is a one off Borderlander character who manages to
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: be a lovely little vignette story on his own. It
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: feels so Sanderson, and I'm not even mad about it.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: No, and this is extremely Sanderson for me. I feel
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: like there's a bunch of little nods to his other
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: writing in here that makes me go, oh, this is
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: a very Sanderson pov. Everything from the names to like
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: the way the oh, it's really important to have a
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: good cook, right, That's a huge theme in Stormlight Archive.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: It's like, how does Taladin rescue his teammates from their
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: depression and nihilism. He finds someone who's a good cook
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: and gets them tasty food and that's enough to like
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: shake them out of like nihilism about the world is
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: going to end and there's no point, right, It's like
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: food makes a difference.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I remember there's a great book and then
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: movie adaptation of Shackleton's trip to South Pole or to Antarctica,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: and I remember, I don't remember if it's in the book.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I remember in the movie when he's putting together his crew,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: he specifically makes sure to get a good cook. Like
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I remember, there's like the little you know, the little
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: vignette as he gets each of the crew members, like
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: the getting the cook is important and the cook has
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: a great moment like later on in the story. He's
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: a very like important character for like the comic relief
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: of the whole thing. But yeah, it's I remember reading
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: this being like, hey, hey, that was Shackleton's idea that
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: happened in the real world, the concept of like you
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: need a good cook because otherwise this Antarctic mission is
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: not gonna work. Yeah, it's it's very important.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like just on ships in general, it's
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: like there's the captain, the first mate, and then the
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: cook and then everybody else.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure, I'm.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Not really gonna read us into this one. I don't
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: think there's really anything particularly.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think there's any There's not a good
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: voice to do here.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we're with with this. Melaran Rye you want
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: to call.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: It Melan Narin is how the audiobook says it.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: So he's been the commander of this tower for ten years.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: You know, this is the the Fires of Gondor are
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: lit essentially, right, This is.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: That moment the fires of Gondor are lit. Right, Yeah,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: that's more what this is. This is a real question
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: mark going on.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: It really feels to me that the Dark One watched
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: The Lord of the Rings and went okay.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, the Dark One sat down, did a full
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: movie benj and was like taking notes.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thinking this was like, we okay, we need to
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: interrupt the chain of fires, the signal fires that are
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: going to tell them we're coming, right, Like, that's really
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: important that they don't have that information.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we cannot have Ara Gorn busting through the doors. Like, no,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: we cannot have that. That will rally the troops too hard.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: There's a reference here. He's talking about Bariga, a merchant
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: who was bringing his caravan to the tower to trade.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: That guy actually appears in the epilogue of this book.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: He's the one. He shows up and he runs into
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Aeel with strange red veils and points teeth and then
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: it cuts so he shows up to the tower trying
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: to trade and is killed by evil.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I yeel oh wow cool, that's fun, little tiny it'sy
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: bitsy callbacks to things that barely existed. I love it.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He mentions he's on his way in this in
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: this chapter, and then he shows up in the epilogue.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Nice. Nice, which makes sense because this tower clearly falls right,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: So it makes sense that the merchant who was planning
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: on coming also meets a grizzly end. I'll yeah, a
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: slightly different one.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So he's thinking about getting him drunk and you know,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: maybe recruiting him for a year. Like it's just it's
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: a it's a little bit of a slice of life
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: for the Borderlanders, where like death is a constant threat,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: but you still like have to get life done and
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: still live life and still have these like need to
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: trade with merchants and you know, keep your mail on
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: rotation and all that kind of stuff, and have manhood ceremonies.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: This is one of my favorite parts about Sanderson coming
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: into the series, was that he starts to giving us
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: these slice of life things in places that like we
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: know that this was happening the whole time, Like the
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Borderlands have been fleshed out in so many respects, but
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: never this respect. He's not inventing anything. He's just writing
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: in all the details that we've been you know, vaguely
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: head cannoning, and I just it's one of my favorite
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: parts about what he brought to concluding this massive series.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: And it can feel a little fan fiction he sometimes
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: if done poorly, but I think he does it well
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: enough that it mostly just falls into my head canon.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Really well, yeah, exactly.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot about his son in this chapter.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: As well, right like, yeah, yeah, preparing for his son's
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: manhood ceremony. And then the chapter ends with I guess
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: you're a man three days early because you are not
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: going to live until your actual birthday.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Well and also because you made that you willingly made
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: that choice, yes, to sacrifice your own life so that
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: someone who you felt whose life had more value than
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: yours could live.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, which is yeah, I mean that's the most
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: manly thing a Borderlander can do. So give the give
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: the man his sword, even if it is three days early.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Very a tale of two cities. Right, it's a better
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: thing I have ever done. Right, We're going to his
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: own death to save the life of another.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Person, right, which, again to your point about like death
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: is constantly present in the Borderlands, right like a child
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: who's only about to turn fourteen is like, well, I
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: mean I've done the math, and clearly my classmate should
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: get out ahead of me, right, Like, It's it's just
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: it's they've been thinking like that their whole lives.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: There is that interesting. I've seen this a lot in
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: old war movies too, where I mean it's the whole,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: the whole premise of saving private Ryan. Right, Why are
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: they saving Private Ryan. All of his brothers are dead.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: He's the last surviving family member, so it's worth it
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: to go in and save him because his mother. And
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: they say here, his mother has had three other of
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: her sons die, like it's worth it to save the
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: last one. And I'm like, is it? But like what
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: if someone only had one kid? We don't do that.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: For the Look, the math of sacrifice is not something
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: that you can really like make the equation balance logically,
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: because then you're into this weird hierarchy of whose life
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: is worth more? Right, right, just weird it's weird beings thing.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean people that go into those sorts
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: of life and death careers like they have the right
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: to figure out those equations on their own and not
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: justify it to the rest of us.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: I guess, yeah. Yeah. There's a pretty good description of
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: the tower and the fact that like the fourth floor
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: is a trap because there is no way from the
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: fourth to the fifth floor. You have to go back
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: down to the second, or there's away from the third
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: to the fourth, so you have to go down to
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: the second to skip over the third, so and go
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: like outside on a like yeah, do it on the
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: outside of the building so you can be shot at.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, this is this whole description of
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: like how the defense is kind of it kind of
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: helps you picture how the defense is going to go
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: as they're getting swarmed, right, and how they're going to
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: murder lots and lots and lots of these trollics. But
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: it isn't really gonna matter because there are so many
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: of them that they're going to get overrun. Right.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like being on a on a tower in
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: a flood, Like, yeah, you can keep the you can
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: keep backing up, but eventually you're gonna get overrun. But yeah, again,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Sanderson's so good at making me see things, like he's
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: helping me visualize the engineering of this and kind of
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: reminds me of a little bit of early descriptions at
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: the Stone of Tier. Right, there's all these like levels
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: of fallback position. There's not just one line of defense,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Like every hallway is the next step backwards on that
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: line of defense. Like you don't get this without the
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: hallways of flowing in blood.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they might take it, but they're gonna pay for
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: every inch that they take.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: And also, I mean there's more getting into the like
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: every day of the Borderlanders, right, Like they live in
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: architecture that is that intense all the time. That's what
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: it means to be a Borderlander soldier. It's not just
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: horseback riding and honor codes. It's also like having to
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: hike up the outer stairs because that's how the building
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: is structured.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: And killing Trollock's right, you got this guy Jargon, He's
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: got the fifty knots, the trollek.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Hills, a lifetime of killing Trollacs and he's up to fifty.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: And you're like, I'm pretty sure Land has killed fifty
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: like in the course of these books.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, easily, easily.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: You know, this is a regular mirror mortal kind of
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: kill count.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: But like, but also then take that out of the
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: context of the like ridiculousness of these books where they're
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: just slaughtering tralocs left and right, where it's like, oh, yeah,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: you go out and if you fight in a battle
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: and you kill a trolloc or two, that's a big deal, right, Like,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: and to do that fifty different times, Like you are
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: at the front of a lot of battles, killing a
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: lot of trollics, and a lot of different moments in history,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: and you've survived a ton of attacks since he was fourteen, right, Like,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: that's that is a veteran of many, many, many, many battles.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is that is an unstoppable force. He has
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: a proven track record of being literally unstoppable in a
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: world where land is not what everyone else is measuring against.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Right, And then you think back to like how many
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: soldiers do people act kill on the battlefield, Like if
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: you hear numbers in the teens, that person was a
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: monster in actual battle, right, Like it's you just you're
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: lucky to kill one or two, right, if that's kind
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: of how battle.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Works, where like right, the hand to hand combat with
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: sharp objects, situation arrows at relatively close range. Yeah righteah, right,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: maybe a horse if you're lucky these guys, you know,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: they take a horse into battle. But yeah, it's hard
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: to live through fighting a creature that is one hundred
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: and fifty percent your size and has more weapons than
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: you and.
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: To do that.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, however, many dozens of times he's done. It's like, okay,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: so this man will not be falling until the very
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: end of the battle, clearly, And yeah, so they get
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: a flash from a different tower, right, the beacons have
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: gone door lit, and they go for confirmation and there
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: is no confirmation, and that is a problem.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Which one would assume it's because they were overrun and
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: they got one single flash out before they were fully overrun.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's what I'm assuming as well, someone desperately
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: managed to get the signal out and they hoped that
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: that would be enough, and unfortunately it was not because
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: they weren't able to confirm.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Well, not so much that, as the tower to the
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: south was also overrun that too.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm just imagining like someone did get the
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: signal out thinking they were doing something good, and then
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, oh, all of that desperation that could
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: have been the whole last forty minutes of an action
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: movie for nothing, because yeah, the Southern tower was overrun first.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: And we never see the runners show up anywhere.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: No, we assume that they all get eaten on the road.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Because they're going to the Southern tower, right, and so
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of talks waiting for them. Right.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: So Keemlin does this self sacrifice thing for his friend,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: but his friend gets absolutely chewed up.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: One would assume doesn't mean, yeah, his friend is murdered
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably both die within an hour of each other,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: just separated by several dozen miles.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, they get the flash from Northwest tower.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: They try and flash the South tower, the next one
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: along the chain. It of course doesn't work because they're
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: both probably overrun. And so basically he's like he pretty
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: much knows what's going on. I think he's like, oh, well,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: the only reason.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: His spidy senses are all.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, okay, we're fucked right, Like, we have.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: A lot of safeguards to make sure that this confusion
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: doesn't escalate. And the confusion is escalating.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: So he sends three runners, I think is my understanding. Yeah,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: because he says three of three messengers and one of light,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: three on foot in one of light.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: He's desperately trying to do his part to get the
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: message out, but yeah, it probably doesn't work.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: He also is prepared for Drakhar. He's like, you know,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: gets marchers up on the roof in case there's flying
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: things coming. So he's smart, right, He's doing all the
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: right things, but he's just totally outmanned. He's got like
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty soldiers fighting against thousands and thousands
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: and thousands of troulics.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's not even really a last There is
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: no stand to be made. There's so few of them
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: compared to the on rushing force.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: And he even thinks like, if he'd been the one
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: won't making an assault, he'd have done anything he could
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: to sneak around and take out one of the southern
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: towers first. That was the best way to make sure
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: no messages got back to the Capitol. And it's like, yeah,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: that's that's what happened. You're spot on.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: He knows exactly what's happening. All of his instincts are
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: pointed to the right direction, and yeah, he's he's simply
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: in a losing position. That's all he's got. And he
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: thinks about like the Queen and the larger situation in
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: the world, and also all of his instincts are correct.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: The dragon has been reborn, the queen believes the storm
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: is coming right Like every single conclusion he makes on
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: minimal information, he is spot on about. And that's how
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: you know he's gonna die, because you can't be that
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: correct and live out the POV.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: And this is really good foreshadowing with like the darknesses
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: advancing and beneath the darkness is the force of Trolics
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: that you can't see, and like you again, Sanderson is
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: so visual. You can see this darkness and the representation
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: of the forces of evil flooding into the border Landers
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: and starting the last battle, and like you really are
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: like this is in a lot of ways the first
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: assault of the Last Battle, right, this is the first
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: time the dark ones forces are surging forward.
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: Like.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: It's not the gap, which makes sense, right, the beginning
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: of this prologue, everything else was like Rand being ranned
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: and figuring a shit out and like the Forsaken. But
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: at this moment, the last Battle has started, and because
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: we're going back in time, a lot of this is
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: occurring while Rand is figuring a shit out.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Right, right, Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, shit is hitting
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: the fan. This is the moment of the very first
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: particle of Fico material making actual contact with the rotating blade.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: We've been watching it come for a while, but this
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: is the actual point of contact.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: We've been spelling the farts, right, but like, this is
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: where the shit's hitting the fan. Yeah yeah, So he
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: thinks about how the messengers are going to go to
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: the next town and if that didn't stand, the boys
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: will continue on all the way the capitol if needed.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I don't think they made it
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: past the first tower.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think so either. It would be a major
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: missed opportunity for Sanderson to have written in the notes
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: that he had them get through and then to not
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: have a joyful reunion scene or a tearful reunions or something.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Now they have to have died otherwise it isn't a payoff.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: And then yeah, his son comes up into the room
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: and he's like, excuse me. I was having a moment
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: of feeling good about sending you away, and yeah, you're
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: making me feel weird about that.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, t in the name of this character
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: t I a N is remarkably close to t in
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Ti e N, the brother of Kaladin in the Stormlight Archive,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: who is a small Slight boy who gets recruited into
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: the army and is killed pretty early on I see,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: and that's the driving force behind a lot of Kaladin's
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: guilt because he was supposed to protect him and everything
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: like that. So like Tian in both, like it's almost
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: the same character in both. In Stormlight Archive, and here
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: is this naming a small slight boy who eyes in
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: battle at too young of an age. Yeah, that's again
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: just one of those evident things that make me go
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: oh yeah. Sanderson definitely wrote this, like there's no doubt that,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: like this character is something that like he had because
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: he was writing Stormline Archive in his head long before
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: he actually wrote anything down. Oh, and there's no doubt that,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: like some of the ideas that later got into stormlit
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Archive got used here in his Last Battle sequences.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be impossible to completely scrub all that out
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: even if he had wanted to, which I doubt he
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: did because why would you.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: So it's hard for me to be like, oh, this
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: is he and the boy from Stormline Archive. That's cute.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Sure yeah, so yeah, Molinaran is like, what a manly
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: decision of you. Let's have your manhood ceremony now, and
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: then yeah we get a Borderlander manhood ceremony.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Athlon. Is letting me know that he had already written
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: the Way of King's Prime by the time he started
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: writing this stuff. So Wave King's Prime was when he
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: wrote down like essentially what we all did is like
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: in our twenties is we wrote a really bad novel
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: with all the like ideas in it, you know, and
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: then he wrote a universe based off that really bad
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: novel and said, no one can ever read this really
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: bad novel because all the characters changed, a lot of
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: stuff is in canon like this. You know, it's he
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: totally pulled it apart and brutalized it to create the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: books that he created.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: I think he actually did publish Real King's Prime though, right.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: That's the thing is like he did publish it and
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: let people read it, but I started to and so
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: much is different to the books. It's just very confusing
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: because like the characters have different names and you know,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: it's like he mixed some stuff up and it's just
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: it's not worth reading. Though Michael and Kate read it,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: that's cut. I didn't know that it's on YouTube. Interesting. Yeah,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: I never really got that into it because I was like,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: you know what, I just want the original, the actual story.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: I don't need. His same thing with one of his
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: books he wrote basically, he wrote drafts of it online
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: and so he had people basically the every draft was
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: published and people were reading along, and he had he
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: was crowd publishing the editing of his book, and so
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: there's actually a lot of versions of it out there.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: There used to be a lot more because he was
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: doing it all in public and the book was free
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: to download. It only later got picked up by a
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: publisher and put out there, So he was like trying
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: a different way of publishing books.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Interesting. I like that he's not afraid to experiment with
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: really unconventional publishing.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: No, he's really not. And eventually he got good enough
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: that he was basically able to bully them into doing Warbreaker. Sorry.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Warbreaker is the one that he did in drafts in public,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: and then later he's able to bully them and be like, uh,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: he's like bullying Audible.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Right, which I love that, Like I have my issues
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: with Sanderson, but like, please somebody bully Audible totally. So yeah,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: all the men on the Tower really get a lot
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: of oomph and warmth and solidarity from being part of
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: this manhood ritual. It's kind of like Gallaude giving his
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: little speech to his white cloaks, right, like, we're in
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: a really shitty situation, but a good speech, a good moment,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: a good like leaning on our order and our cannon
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: and our way of being. It's it's going to strengthen
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: our hearts. We're gonna deal with this shitty situation with
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: a little more cheer well.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: And I like the ceremony because it very much mirrors
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: the spit into the Site Blinder's Eye ceremony of the AEEL. Right,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: how long do you fight until my last breath joins
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: the northern winds? When do you stop watching? Never?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it is very I like cousins to the
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: IEEL in terms of their hardcore anti evil. Yeah, spit
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: in sight blinders eye until my breath joins the northern winds.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: It's good.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: This would actually be a pretty good like you know,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: how we've done like the first sister ceremony and stuff
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: like that. This would be like and marriage ceremonies get
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: adopted a fair amount out of real time. This one
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: could be adopted pretty well. It's short.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe the Black Tower guys would incorporate that.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: They always do like a pinning ceremony at walt Con,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: which I've I've managed to watch, like most of the
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: pitting ceremonies at wat Con. Somehow, I always in the
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: atrium when they do that, And it's so.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Cool because they do it around the sing along.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: I think, well, maybe that's it. Yeah, they do it
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: in like, yeah, the half hour before the singalong, and
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: I'm always you know, like first one there because I
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: will not be missing that sing along if both my
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: legs and my larynx are broken.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: So basically right after the ceremony, the draw cart comes
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: out of the sky and the attack starts.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like they clip the belt and boom the attack. Yeah,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: right then. Yeah, we will be revisiting that battle sequence
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: later with Ealda. Toalda really gives us the chapters on
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: chapters of access to how this battle goes. But you
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: can imagine how this battle goes. And when we do
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: chicken with Iteraldi, I do kind of remember back to
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: this and I go, oh, this is what malannar and
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Kemlin were dealing with, except that they didn't have main
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: character status to like help them survive. You know.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: They also didn't have a city to retreat into. They
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: didn't have the number of troops. This is an isolated
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: you know, rock and a sea of the sea of
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: trolocks seemed against this foe. The tower would eventually fall,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: The trolks would keep coming wave after wave, but every
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: man atop the tower knew his duty. They'd kill shadow
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: spawn as long as they could, hoping to buy enough
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: time for the messages to do some good. Melonarn was
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: a man of the Borderlanders, same as his father, same
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: as his son beside him. They knew their task. You
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: held until you were relieved. That's all there was to it,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: or you die.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: It's such a bummer knowing that they are never relieved.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: Heath Tower is not reclaimed before the end of the
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: last I assume at some point people go to the
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: tumbled ruins of what was heath Tower, you know in
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: the fourth Age, and they put up a memorial. But like,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: these men are never relieved.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Well, and the tower system no longer is needed after
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: the last.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: Battle, right, Yeah, again, it's going to be like a
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: nice park with a beautiful memorial to the fallen dead.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: But it's not going to be. No one's going to
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: come back and relieve them. They're all just going to die.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: And it's so dismal.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: What great writing it really?
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I when I think about the prologue of this book,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: that's the scene I always forget that there's more to it.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, it's heath Tower. That's Yeah, that's
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: the part that sticks, which again I just love how
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: characters who we never have seen before and will never
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: seen again are able to be the most memorable part
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: of such a rich reading section. It's the characters that
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: have no other history or context that like really stick
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: in your brain. It's amazing, and.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: I think Jordan did a much better job of that
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: in his early books. I feel like in these later
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: books we got to the point where some of the
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: characters were just He's like, sure, you've got backstory for him,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: you're not telling us what it is, you.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Know, right right where. Sanderson really admired that, I think,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: and really like brought that back in a way that Yeah,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: Jordan kind of ran out of steam for that, and
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Sanderson was like, no, no, no, no, no, that's like a
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: huge part of why I got into writing in the
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: first place.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Let's do this the same thing. Though. But when I
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: read Sanderson's books, his early books have a lot more
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: of those little min nyuets in there and like characters
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I care about, and later on, I feel like, especially
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: in Stormled Archive, like there's fewer and fewer those I
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: can't think of those side characters nearly as much.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well this is a lot earlier in his writing career.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: So yeah, interesting, So here that inspiring authors don't stop
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: doing that they're sad.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's just you get there's a lot of
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: weight of your existing plot and characters, and it's just
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: it's difficult to come up with those moments when you
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: are way down by all of this other series that
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: you're written and all this other promises, all the other
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: checkof guns, all the other you know, foreshadowing. All that
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: stuff needs to you know, be sort of come around,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: and so it's harder to introduce new characters and stuff
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: like that. And one of the things I really do
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: like and appreciate about Sanderson taking over is that we
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: got more of that than I think we would have,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: right Like, there's no doubt we would not have had
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: the Androl and Pavara that we have without Sanderson and
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: a few other characters as well. But I think with that,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: I don't have anything else to say about the prologue.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: We're ready to jump into the book. And that was
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: a pretty good succinct prologue, right.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, I wouldn't call it succinct, but it was good.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: It was dense, There was a lot that happened. I
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: definitely it gets you spun up and ready for a book,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: right it does?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: Refreshes your memory of all the good stuff.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah for succinct, I guess, just guess that each POV
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: sort of had a purpose and had a few things
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: to say and said them very well.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Right, Like, it's a solid start to a new book.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't get the end of this and go, why
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: did I Why did you tell me about those characters?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: I don't understand? Like now again, am I like a
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: little frustrated with the parent and Gallid pov? And like
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: are we going to spend a lot of time trying
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: to get them together and reconciled? And is that not
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: my favorite plot line? It's really not.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: We're going to need to do some chapter compression to
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: get through that.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: But then I love what Paren does when he gets
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: all super right, So you know, there's just a lot
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: of good parent in here to get to.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. It's a good book
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: and yeah, solid start to it. So yeah, come back
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: next week for I think you said we need to
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: talk about our chapter compression, but apparently next week we're
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: already starting in on compressing chapters into multiheaders.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Chapter one is just a real lightweight chapter. It's pretty
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: short and it's let me see if I can bring
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: that up.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: We got to go through the whole book and work
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: that out.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Encyclopedia Watt is down. That makes me sad. Fortunately the
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Internet archive keeps a snapshot of it.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: But yeah, with that, we should probably wrap this up
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: and get on out of here. Thank you everyone so
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: much for listening. As per usual, You're all great. Thank
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: you Patreons, Thank you Live listeners.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: We'll see y'all next week.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, all right, recordings on. Is there anything we
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: need to tell? I guess I should tell people. My
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: cat has been missing for two weeks. I'm really not
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: happy about that. He is an indoor outdoor cat. We
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: let him out in the mornings and he always comes
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: back at night. For he never misses a meal.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: There's been a handful of times where he's been gone
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: for one night, you know, but he always comes back
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: next morning complaining. And so, yeah, it's been about two weeks.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: He went out and were actually at a wedding and
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: people were staying at our house, which usually isn't a
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: problem for him, but I think it's just a coincidence.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: But he didn't come back that night and he hasn't
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: come back since, so.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: That sucks.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: And yeah, we put up signs, we've done all the contact,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: all the places he's chipped, you know. And I think
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: one of the things that's really rough about a cat
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: going missing like this is they do come back so often. Right.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: You hear stories from people who were like, yep, my
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: cat was gone for three weeks, he was gone for
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: two months. Like however long he was gone, he was
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: in somebody's house being taken care of. That's kind of
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: what I have to assume happened at this point, right,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: because nobody's found a body. He knows, you know, he's
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: not the kind of cat that wanders very far. We
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: put we gps'd him for a while and he was like,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: would stay within a block or two of a house.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: He does not like this cat that's like wandering for
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: miles and miles and miles. So yeah, we just I
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: have to assume somebody picked him up and said, oh, look,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: friendly cat, and that he's going to get out or
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: he's going to go to the vet some point and
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: get scanned and uh brought back to us.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: But that sucks in the meantime, though, really sucks.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: It sucks in the meantime because it's just a lot
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: of uncertainty and a lot of Yeah, just at what
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: point do you stop looking? At what point do I
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: not step outside and go? Is is he waiting at
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: the door waiting to be let in? It feels like
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: every time, you know, and so you know, everyone's I've
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: heard the number three weeks. A lot of people are like,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: after about three weeks the cats come back because people
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: get sick of taking care of them. But we're at
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: two weeks now.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 6: So that's I'm sorry, that really sucks. Yeah, I don't
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 6: really have anything. It's it's August. I've had a great
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 6: party people in the woods.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: My mom is over here at my place for the
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: most of the month. She has her cat with her.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: She's a cat person again. She's very happy about that.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: It's a very tiny cat. He's dreamy, tiny Toto a cat.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: But we're going to get a lot of sewing done
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: over the next three weeks, which is very exciting. So
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: I guess you guys can all expect to hear for
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: the next few recordings updates about my sewing machine. Assembly
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: and learning curve process.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Ooh exciting.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we're probably gonna start working on it tomorrow
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: because they just got here yesterday, so takes a minute
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: to you know, sett yea. But yeah, and then we're
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: going to go up to the Selett's pow wow this
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: weekend and we've got plans. We just it's we're going
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: to get a lot of stuff done hopefully. But yeah,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: the Davis Vertical feed machine, definitely. I will be giving
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: y'all updates on assembling that and learning how to use
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: it and hopefully making curtains or maybe some like denim projects.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna see. But uh yeah, that's kind
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: of what I'm setting up.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: For all right.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: Well, trying to think other than that. Yeah, I don't
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: really have any other life updates or anything like that. Yeah.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: I finally got my uh save what postcard postcards that
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: were given to me at Walt Com. I finally got
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: the in the mail today. Oh nice, which you know,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: I kept telling myself it was okay. I was procrastinating
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: because they said that it's better if it all comes
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: in a trickle, like a steady trickle, rather than like
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: in like really sharp peaks and valleys, so like, well,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people probably isn't theres stuff right after
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: walk on. So I'm helping.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, actually.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: By by waiting till later, you know, I'm being I'm
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: being a real team player. But yeah, I got given
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: two of those at the con, so I finally got
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: those into the mail today, so I felt accomplished about that. Yeah,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: blueberries are about done, but it's BlackBerry time. You were
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: telling me before we got on recording that you've been
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: picking out on some BlackBerry. Oh yeah, place I'm seeing
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: the bushes go off near my face. It's definitely the
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: month of blackberries.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I discovered a new trail that's right by my house.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: That's actually you know, I knew about a trail that
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: if I took a left, but then there's one where
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: it's like if you just pushed through a very thin
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: group of bushes, there's a whole nother trail on the
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: right that goes to a whole nother you know, patch
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: of BlackBerry bushes and abandoned train tracks and little field
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: out there that's right by my house. So I got
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: very excited about that. That was really really fun to
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: explore and check out especially with Harvey. As I was
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: looking for the cat. It's kind of how I found
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: it is I was out looking, you know, looking everywhere,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: and found found a few new spaces. But that's you know,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: I was exploring the neighborhood, which is which is I
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: haven't necessarily done as much as i'd like to because it's, uh,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: it's funny when you move into new house. I spent
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: spending all the time on the house, and I haven't
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: really explored the neighborhood as much as i'd like to.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: People like, oh, what restaurants? Where are you going? And
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I've really been home. I've been home a lot,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: been very much a homebody when you buy a home.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: But I've been really lucky with this house that it's
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: it was totally moving ready. I haven't had any of
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: those gotcha moments where you're like, uh, oh, didn't realize
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: that there was moisture in the basement or a bad thing,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: or you know, my appliances work, the electricity works, the
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: plumbing works. You know, I've had to deal with a
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: clogged dry event is about the worst I've had to
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: deal with, and that's just normal maintenance. So I've been
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: really really lucky with the house. And there's one panel
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: of wood on the outside that has a fixture mounted
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: to it that's kind of rotting, so I need to
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: replace that. But you know, really minor things, especially for
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: the age of the house. So really really loving, loving
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: owning my own place. People always like, oh, the first
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: year is the worst, and like, it's been really nice.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: It's been really nice. I don't know. I mean, maybe
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the other ball to drop, but no, hoa,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: no landlords, my own space. It's been really nice.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, our first first year. I mean yeah, it's
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: like all the stuff that we threw money into on
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: the house for the first several years of being here
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: has all been improvements to things that we want rather
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: than like, oh, no, we didn't realize this was a problem.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Like we moved in knowing there was no woodstove. We
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: were very clear on it, right right, right right, We
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: needed to fix it. That was a problem. But like
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: we knew going in, and it was like overall a
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: very fun process to have that put in and doing
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: the roof was like, well, obviously we want to do
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: the roof. We didn't need to wait for it to leak.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: We just got in there ahead of it.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, I replaced the chandelier with a ceiling fan,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: which I think is much prettier. I've hung some curtains.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Nice. Nice.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: You know, still want to paint, but I haven't really
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: settled on colors yet. I don't think I've lived here
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: long enough.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Same, we need to paint because the paint job
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: in here is terrible. But like, yeah, we do need
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: to decide on colors, which so far has been a.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Problem them talk the chandeliers all yours. If you want it,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: it's sitting in our garage ready to be taken. You'll
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: have to re bend some of the chains. I had
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: to unbend to get it down, but uh yeah you can. Definitely.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: It's a stand. It's a brushed silver for light chandelier.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: I pretty well it sounds like the one I've got
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: in my dining room.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, Can we discuss chandeliers over dining room tables and
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: how much I hate them? Like, because all right, first
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: of all, I what makes you think, electrician that you
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: know where I'm going to be putting my dining room table.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: First of all right, you're stuck because and especially with
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: a chandelier. If you don't have a table there, you're
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: gonna bash your head on that thing. And I'm short,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: I know tall people are gonna bash their head on
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: that and I oh, my god, they're the worst idea.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: The light then, okay, let's talk about the light that
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: they provide. The lights at eye level, it's shining into
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: your eyes. Why would they do that. You want light
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: that's overhead shining down, or a lamp that's shining light
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: up on a wall so you have indirect light, right,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: or so you have shaded light. But these chandeliers are
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: usually you know, big bright led bulbs, and we have
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: led bulbs. Of course you get this point light, which
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: makes it all that much worse in your eyes at
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: eye level that you're gonna bang your head on. It
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: forces you to decorate your house in a specific way.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: And my god, a ceiling fan makes all the difference
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: for controlling your cooling and heating and regulating the evenness
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: in your house from top to bottom. Right, If you
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: don't know how to reverse your fan or why you
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: should do it, that's definitely something to think about, because
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: in the summer, you want to be blowing down and
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  Speaker 1: basically in the winter, you want to be circulating the
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  Speaker 1: other way, So I think of it count clockwise versus clockwise. Right,
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  Speaker 1: you're changing the direction in which they are is circulating.
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  Speaker 1: But it really makes a big difference for your heating
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  Speaker 1: and cooling.
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  Speaker 2: If you have the no a fan makes such a
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  Speaker 2: big difference, like because like we have a woodstove, right,
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  Speaker 2: so like you have quite the column of heat that
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  Speaker 2: rises to the top, and we have really tall not
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  Speaker 2: really tall, but decently tall ceilings. And yeah, it evens
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  Speaker 2: the house is heat out so much to have that
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  Speaker 2: fan running. And yes, you do want to reverse it
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  Speaker 2: in the summer, because it will still work technically if
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  Speaker 2: you don't reverse it throughout the year. Like any movement
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  Speaker 2: is better than no movement. But it does make a
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  Speaker 2: really big difference when you're hot and ridiculous in the
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  Speaker 2: summer just because you thought too hard, and then you
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  Speaker 2: can have a breeze that blows across you. And like, also,
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  Speaker 2: if you're talking about managing your heating and cooling, like
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  Speaker 2: covering your windows makes such a difference, either to block
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  Speaker 2: the sun out or to keep the heat in. Like,
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  Speaker 2: it makes such a difference on managing your house's temperature.
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  Speaker 2: If you can like adjust your window openness and closedness
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  Speaker 2: across the course of a twenty four hour cycle to
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  Speaker 2: take advantage of whichever heat regime is more appropriate.
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  Speaker 1: And double pain windows make a big difference if you
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  Speaker 1: have good double pain windows.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it makes a big difference. But like I've
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  Speaker 2: discovered my bedroom, the windows face north right, so there
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  Speaker 2: is no direct sunlight into them except for like the
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  Speaker 2: last hour of the afternoon. But all day there's no
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  Speaker 2: direct light coming in those windows. But we have blackout curtains.
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  Speaker 2: It keeps the house so much cooler if I pull
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  Speaker 2: the blackout curtains over the north facing windows during the day,
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  Speaker 2: like it turns out, radiation is radiation is radiation turns out.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, curtains, even on windows that don't have direct sunlight,
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  Speaker 2: make a big difference.
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  Speaker 1: Well, And for us, the ceiling fan is so important
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  Speaker 1: the living room because we have one of those one.
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  Speaker 1: There's no walls on my first floor right it's kitchen,
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  Speaker 1: living room, and then stairs basically, so that one fan
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  Speaker 1: is able to control the basically the whole floor and
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  Speaker 1: keep the whole floor a good condition. So that's made
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  Speaker 1: actually a huge difference for our comfort on that level.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm sure there's a thousand things like that that
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to want to do over time as I
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  Speaker 1: move in, But I am I am struggling to make
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  Speaker 1: make it feel like I'm not renting, right. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's one of the things I've rented for such a
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  Speaker 1: long time. This is the first house I've owned, and
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  Speaker 1: part of me is like, oh, I got to make
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  Speaker 1: sure the landlord doesn't get angry when I paint do this,
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  Speaker 1: or do that, And so there's there's I have to
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  Speaker 1: change my mentality around that, and I haven't quite. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: if I'm here for more than a year, I'll start.
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  Speaker 2: To just start drawing on the wall, right, break the seal.
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  Speaker 2: Just take a nice fat sharpie and just start doodling,
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  Speaker 2: doodlingall and then and then it will break through your
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  Speaker 2: brain from thinking of that.
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  Speaker 1: So, actually, what I wanted never to do, because she's
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  Speaker 1: she's actually a pretty good artist, is I wanted her
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  Speaker 1: to paint the mantle because the mantle's just like painted white,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, just just do like flowers or
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  Speaker 1: doodles or something on the mantle so that we can
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  Speaker 1: break the seal. And that was something we wanted to do,
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  Speaker 1: but you know time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, exactly, you just got to start with something
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  Speaker 2: that's like not a huge, massive, like weakened, consuming project,
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  Speaker 2: just so that way, like your brain can start to
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  Speaker 2: adjust to the fact that like I can do that,
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  Speaker 2: I can put holes in the wall, I can whatever
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  Speaker 2: the thing is.
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  Speaker 1: I think the only thing that they break and break
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  Speaker 1: the seal, it break and break it. What has broken
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  Speaker 1: the seal though, is Harvey's nails have definitely like scored.
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  Speaker 1: The wood is definitely a soft pine, and Harvey's nails
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: have left marks all over it. So I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 1: the floors are going to have to be refinished before
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: we sell the place. Like we's just we're at that
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: point where it's like, yeah, that's just a given at
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  Speaker 1: this point, even though I have carpets down over most
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  Speaker 1: of it, like there's enough spots that are fucked up
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  Speaker 1: that it's like, no, the floors are gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: be refinished. So just not worrying about them really that much.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, for sure, for sure, because yeah, it's like
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna live in the house and do whatever improvements
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: or changes or whatever, and then if when you decide
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: to sell it, then you can cross all the bridges
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: about resale value, et cetera, et cetera, Like it's not
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  Speaker 2: a thing to burden yourself with.
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  Speaker 1: Now, no, no, and the way the housing market is going,
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  Speaker 1: I will die in this house. So you know there's
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  Speaker 1: that I'm not going to worry about.
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  Speaker 2: Research value does not need to dominate your thinking.
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  Speaker 1: All right, speaking of dying in this house, So we
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  Speaker 1: talk about the borderlands, Well, first.
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