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Gen XX | The Christian Reeve Podcast #195 · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Christian Reef
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  podcast. Today's guests are podcasters
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  and business professionals hailing, all the way from
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  Atlanta. Georgia, they go by the name,
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  Gen X X, welcome to the show. How you guys doing?
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  Thank you, I'm doing well. I'm good.
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  This is so this is the second time we've done this work, I've
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  had multiple guests. It's a little bit new for me.
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  The first time was about a year and a half ago or something and
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  I really had to like update my zoom to facilitate it but I've
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  got some questions together that are like specific the both of
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  you and then just in general and then we'll see where we go.
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  There might have to be like taking turns or something like
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  that. We're seeing See how it goes.
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  But yeah. So you're planning to start
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  this. This new podcast?
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  I don't know. I mean, when I got this
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  information, it was you were starting at.
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  So I don't know where on that kind of scale you are at now if
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  you've started it, or if you haven't, but what I do know
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  about it is that it's all about Generation X.
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  Is that right? That tell us more about that.
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  And we were talking about life and stuff.
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  And we also have these kids or we have like jimsy kids, okay?
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  We were like, why don't we just You know, in part are our wisdom
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  because basically jeans Gen X is basically just a mix between
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  Baby Boomers and we're sandwiched between gen Z.
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  And I mean, I'm sorry Millennials and nobody talks
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  about our generation nobody. And I mean, we're like they call
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  they even lump us into like Baby Boomers.
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  It's like so annoying. I'm like, I'm not that old.
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  My mother is a baby boomer. I'm 44 not, there's like a huge
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  difference. So yeah, I've noticed this like
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  I'm like I'm a big fan of professional wrestling, for
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  example, and I've noticed that like the probably like the boom
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  period for that particular industry was the 90s which would
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  have been primed Gen-X kind of and that was a little bit before
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  my time. Like, I grew up as a 90s, kid, /
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  2000. So I was, I'm more in that
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  Millennials. Kind of a group if you want to
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  put like that. But like I still remember a lot
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  of the stuff from the 90s and obviously I've gone back and
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  checked. So all the stuff and I can see
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  that it is very kind of distinct, you know, there was a
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  lot of like counterculture stuff going there.
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  It was a lot of arguably reaction to Baby Boomers and
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  what to site he was putting out, especially if you look at the
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  media around time and TV shows and stuff, like you still had
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  those TV shows where they were trying to do, like, kind of like
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  family Vibe, sort of sitcom type things.
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  But then, there was a lot of. Yeah, yeah.
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  Like programming. That was kind of get again.
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  It's that I mean, why do you think Gen X is not spoken about
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  as much as it should be? Because we were taught.
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  I remember when I was a kid, my mother always used to say, kids
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  are to be seen not heard. And that's what we were taught.
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  Am I Wrong Keanu? Right.
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  Yeah. And I think it still has just
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  stay that way, is that I don't know?
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  Like it's we're not that important and I feel like that's
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  the whole reason for us wanting to start.
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  This podcast is just to show that we are.
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  Or in the things that we're going through, you know, Stan,
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  from the way that we grew up in the things that we went through,
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  and it's important to speak about that.
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  And just let everybody know that.
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  Yes, we're here. We've gone through things and I
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  don't know, like to tell people what, what you can look forward
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  to you. Once you get to this stage in
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  life, I think it's interesting. You say, like, it's not
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  important that I would obviously.
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  SLI disagree with that and I'm sure you live with, as well, but
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  it's, I don't know, like, I suppose maybe it's to do with
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  the fixation on what's going on in society, at the moment
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  because obviously with previous generations at one time, that
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  was the dominant generation and it moves forward and then the
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  older Generations, you know, they either adapt or they still
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  live in that time, you know? Like now I've noticed that,
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  like, for me, I get very nostalgic about, you know, the
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  late 90s 2000s in particular but I recognized That's no longer
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  the world. That's that was then this is now
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  and sometimes you can almost kind of recapture that feeling
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  and a song or a TV show or whatever, but it's past it's
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  gone. The world is different now and
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  it seems crazy to me that every generation almost kind of
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  battles with one another. I mean it makes sense from the
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  perspective of you if you've got like different opposing views
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  and whatnot, like I get the difference between say a baby
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  boomer have in the comment on gen Z and Vice versa, because
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  there's going to be conflict of interest there because the
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  perspective is different. But then I know a lot of people
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  from that generation who were very messy Progressive and, you
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  know, they've just moved with the times and they get it and
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  they understand that the world keeps changing.
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  But again, I just want to press more on how Gen X is not spoken
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  about as much as I think it's, there's a lot of nostalgia as I
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  mentioned before, for sort of programming, of the time, I feel
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  like now into sight, you've got essentially Like a 90s Revival
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  because that's one thing that always does, come back is, you
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  know, the Revival sort of thing. So 80s is always a terminally.
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  Cool. So 70s, I think.
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  But like with 90s now, that's coming back and you're seeing it
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  in fashion, then you're sort of seeing it in programming.
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  One thing I want to ask you guys about, is what do you make of a
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  lot of the TV programs. Now, that are beginning to talk
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  about the 90s and, you know, Gen-X I find it funny.
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  I was going on IDs not too long ago.
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  I was watching a, I watched the first episode of that 90 show,
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  right? I was like they were talking
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  about Atlantis. More said, I was like, I have
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  the CD. Yeah, I'm that old.
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  I have to see. I was like playing that like the
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  whole, her first album, or there was talking about Grudge.
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  And I was like, yeah, I was in the wrong and stuff like that.
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  Then I was also in, then you see like other 90s like BMF, there's
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  something about the 80s. I'm like I remember is parts of
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  the 80s. I was a kid.
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  Both of us were kids in the 80s so your feral children.
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  Hey so yeah, I remember like all this stuff from the 90 like you
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  were talking about TGIF, I remember like full house and
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  they had that whole comedy line or my favorite on Thursdays.
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  He only remember, we were in the house and then it was like The
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  Cosby Show first 8:00, and then there was a different world and
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  8:30. And then Ochi Using all the
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  other stuff. I remember all that I was there
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  for all that, you know. So it's kind of funny that
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  they're bringing back especially fashion bodysuits.
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  I had a bodysuit. I'll never forget him like high
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  school at 96. I'm like they're bringing this
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  back seriously. All right.
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  Guess they were closed and that's why I think that's part
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  of the reason why I feel like maybe forgotten is not the word.
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  But when you think about it, like how everything thing is
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  coming back to like stuff that we used to do in the 90s, like
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  the way we used to dress the Plaid the platforms and just
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  like he said, the like the music, even even new music is
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  sampled office that that we did already.
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  So, I think, yeah, I and I go back and forth on that because
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  sometimes it'll be something clever that's used in a
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  different way and it changes The song up.
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  Oh sometimes it's legit just taking an old sample from an old
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  song and then just wrapping over it.
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  There's a song in the charts right now.
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  That's done exactly that and it's an 80s or 90s tune very
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  very well one-on-one and it's a good it's a good song like the
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  person that rapid open it does a good job but it's it's not
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  different. It's just dinner mean.
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  It'd be like if I took I don't know.
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  Let's say the violence was a teen spirit and then I just sang
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  like in a country style over it and sang Something totally
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  different. It's like it's worse.
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  That's not changing. The song.
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  Really is it? You could argue transformation
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  but it's not. No really I don't know.
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  Yeah for me good sampling is like for instance like with 90s
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  gangsta rap where they took stuff from like the 60s and the
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  70s and they maybe they took a sample.
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  Like it's sometimes even like a really short song from the 70s
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  song and then several other samples, put it together, slowed
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  it down and then changed it in something else.
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  Oh you know something like that. That's really clever.
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  I feel and that changes up and that you could argue, that's
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  truly a new, you know, new song. But yeah, I don't know.
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  We could do, we could debate. That's the thing that I think
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  about the music now is that they don't we used to do that.
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  But like you said it would be like small samples of like
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  different pieces instead of like just using the entire song and
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  And and basically not even changing it up and it's like
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  really do it. Well, Mac Demarco is a good
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  example that he likes to sample. A lot of like old Japanese Jazz
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  from like the 70s. He did it famously on chamber of
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  reflection. I believe that big hit and he
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  basically took like a really like chill jazz piece from the
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  70s and then switched up and play.
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  It's a different version of it kind of like with synthesizers
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  and stuff and he turned it into something else and that's like a
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  really good example of like a modern artist doing well.
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  So there are good artists out there, but yeah, there is a lot
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  of laziness to. So give us our props, we we gave
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  you a lot and we paved the way through
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  And I guess that's why I like it.
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  Because after that for me, it just seems the same.
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  I'm like Okay, who said a lot of the artists that I listen to and
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  I know it's cliche to say this, but it's true.
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  They're like lesser-known, or they're not as prevalent in the
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  charts. That's where I find the most
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  interesting stuff to be occasionally, you get something
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  in the charts. That will be interesting.
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  But even if you take someone like, Harry Styles, For example,
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  the tunes of Bops, there are right.
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  But like if you really break it down and compare it to what has
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  been, you'll find tons of songs that sound similar, you know,
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  it's so I guess it depends. Doesn't it like how far you want
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  to go with it? How Mainstream music is versus
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  how maybe, how lesser known is one.
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  Good thing about now is being able to discover music, it's
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  much easier. Now, back in the day, over C, we
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  would buying CDs, tape, cassettes, whatever doing like,
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  that's how I learned out learned about a lot of artists was just
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  going to say, we have a store in the UK called hmb.
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  Back in the day, it was a lot bigger and you go in there and
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  like, I'd go for instance, I grew up on rock metal music.
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  So I'd go and look at their collection and This looks
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  terrifying. Let's get this.
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  And that's how I discovered a lot of music, but then other
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  stuff was like like for me, I played a lot of skateboarding
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  games grown-up and I loved skateboarding and that's how I
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  discovered like a lot of hip hop from the 2000s and 90s and then
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  other video games, like Grand Theft Auto and stuff like that,
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  that had a big influence in through that.
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  You then discover several other artists, you know, And it's,
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  yeah, it's amazing stuff, really.
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  I mean, feel like, you got to discover like that part.
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  Imagine going back further, especially if you're in the
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  place law, Denver, Colorado. This is the 80s, something in
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  Denver Colorado. Now or it's all pretty and
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  moderate. Now, nothing in Denver.
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  Color out of 80 where we used to say, that everybody in the world
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  will get something before we did.
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  So basically, we probably get it like a year later in our music
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  stations, were not really Playing stuff.
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  So we had to rely on like MTV or Word of Mouth at school, so it's
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  like if somebody's playing like a cassette or something, sit
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  down. If someone playing in cassette
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  and school, we were listening to a were like, oh, that is that
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  was that fat? You know what I mean?
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  We're like that is so cool. So you it's different.
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  How also we also got our stuff from radio, so We would like
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  take the tape had a blank tape and then we like, you know,
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  record it from the radio. And in that was our makes you
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  hate, you know. So it was like before Napster
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  came out, we were already dubbing tape.
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  So I'm like when they start to getting mad like the artist
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  especially Metallica and dr. Dre and I'm like, you know, when
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  we're W tapes over radio, you know, what are you talking about
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  copyright? We're passing that around.
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  That's what DJ's were doing that thing, you know, so one way is
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  was Hard to discover music when we did in the culture it was
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  like basically word-of-mouth you didn't have you know much.
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  And like I said especially from Denver Colorado, you just relied
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  on the other kids with they were doing had no reference.
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  Absolutely, I'm I remember my mom telling me a story about how
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  she would record the top, 40 charts in the UK, and obviously,
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  like you'd have the DJ talking over it.
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  So, you'd have to learn when to stop.
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  Just before the DJ's talking, stop your recording.
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  Let It Go for a little while and start recording.
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  That's not how a lot of mixtapes got me.
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  See, my generation is bit different.
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  What we would do is we'd burn CDs, so we would download a
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  bunch of stuff online. Anything, we could get our hands
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  on, but we ruined all of our computers with programs like
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  LimeWire and frost were stuff like that.
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  Nap still that and just completely fry our computers so
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  that we could get like, I don't know Foo Fighters, back catalog
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  or whatever and just put it onto CDs.
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  And I have like some mixed CDs that are made from back in the
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  day. So it's basically the same
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  thing, just a different generation, but now that's just
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  it's just change like there was a bit of excitement around doing
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  that and now it's just, you just go on an online, find whatever
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  you want this. There's kind of taken the fun
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  out of it a little bit in some ways.
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  I have a friend who still, he still has his like bunch of CDs.
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  I lost my, I'm so mad. I lost my CD collection like in
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  the early 2000s and that was like a builds up.
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  When, you know, like member of those folded books used to have,
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  I left it on top of my car and I drove away and all my CDs are
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  gone. I was like, I was mad.
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  I was like, well, I used to love taking the booklets and If I
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  really liked what the artwork was saying, I'd stick it on that
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  my walls and my door and stuff like that and have it there and
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  like there's there's old photos of my teenage room where I've
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  how could have an entire door plastered with all this stuff.
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  This it's good times Vance, good times.
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  I think that's a big, a big. I was I going no, I missed the
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  artwork to I do. I really miss the artwork.
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  You don't see that. Like, if you download something,
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  you know, looking at the artwork anywhere, he's downloading the
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  song or streaming it now, Even download any more extreme now,
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  suppose. It's all about videos.
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  Now, really, isn't it, if you're particularly into an artist and
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  you want to explore that side of things, then I guess that
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  content will be available in things like Tic Toc or
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  Instagram, or wherever else. But, yeah.
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  I mean, you can, you can still get that up because you say, you
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  can download it. I don't know anyone that does,
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  but you can maybe if you're more artistically inclined, then you
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  just like that. You want to draw the stuff.
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  I get, I get that. But yeah, even just owning the
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  physical medium. I mean, CDs are still.
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  You still buy them. I mean, that there seems to be
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  this Resurgence. Now of, you know, making Even
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  though records and stuff like that of new content, you're
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  like, I've got like a Megadeth record and like, 2013 like an
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  actual record that they produce new at the time.
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  So it's there is that the vinyl Revival is strong and well, but
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  I think it's it's like this back and forth between people wanting
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  to have the physical media and something special about that.
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  But to me like having like an old wreck, Word from.
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  So the 60s that means something that's a bit of history in your
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  hands but having like a new record from today, that's made
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  ice doesn't feel the same. Like, I don't know.
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  Yeah, because I've got, I've got a record player somewhere, at
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  home back in back in London and I haven't touched it in years.
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  I've there's a bunch of stuff in my mom's lost from the day I
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  moved out and but I do remember buying some really old records
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  and one of them was like a Sex Pistols record is like a reissue
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  from like the early 90s. Put it in sounds like shit.
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  But it's great because you hear the crack was like, oh man,
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  that's beautiful. It's like my mother has Leo
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  gospel records. I'm like, is she was having the
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  gospel. Not think she has one from
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  Gladys Knight. I don't know.
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  But she says she's have a stack and hers got lost to.
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  She led my uncle heavy and will they got destroyed, but she
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  still has her old, don't you? I know, right?
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  None of us. Could do the new ones do that.
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  I know. Not like now it's a thing that
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  they're bringing out the record players.
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  They don't know because it's all new quality, isn't it?
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  The old records like they would sound good when you obviously
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  when you first bought them but then after a while they would
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  deteriorate and I suppose it would depend on the quality of
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  the initial recording. So you know if it would if you
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  went back in the day and bought like I don't know Bon Jovi
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  record that's going to sound pristine right?
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  If you bought a Sex Pistols record or something like that,
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  it's going to sound a bit ropey around the edges because that's
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  how it was produced. But you know, just like CDs,
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  just like tape cassettes, they kind of Irate over time and then
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  you get that crackly effect and whatnot.
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  But these days everything is really well made and top quality
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  so it's not going to happen. Unless at the day you scratch
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  the hell out of the CD or the, the record us works and it's
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  skipping thing like did it to me and sometimes I thought like I
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  was, I was losing it as I did, I did that, what did that happen?
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  And then, you know, no, it's just broken.
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  Yeah, right especially happen with video games as well, that
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  was devastating. When that used to happen, it
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  starts skipping. Once you get to a certain level
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  in like no it's gone forever. I mean like the last game I had
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  in this is sad because I was on punish me.
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  It was a Nintendo like with the original Super Mario's on it and
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  I was playing it too much and I had bad Grace.
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  My mother hid it and me being a stubborn person.
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  I am I just let it be hit. I didn't even go back and find
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  it until she found in like many years later.
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  And I'm like, I'm out of games now.
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  I don't care about them anymore. So it was like, that's my like,
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  but I have a friend. He's like a true gamer and I
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  think he still has his, like, you said, Nintendo 3DS 3,
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  something, I don't know. And he stole, he's like trying
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  to buy up all his video stuff now, I don't know, like a really
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  random memory for me, just then you saying that like I used to
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  have the same punishment when I used to.
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  These things wrong and I remember my mom would just
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  slowly take things away. Like, oh, I'll take away your
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  PlayStation. Oh, you're not allowed TV for a
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  week or whatever. And then I remember just being
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  like, OK, I just read them and I would just sit and read and then
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  she'd be like, are you have you learned your lesson or what are
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  you doing? And I'm My Own reading and I
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  think that kind of pissed her off a little basis like because
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  you can't really be angry but the same time it's like you're
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  supposed to be learning a lesson and I was our guy, just wait it
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  out, fine. Like, I mean, I still see kids
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  about playing and stuff. I saw my brother's doing that as
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  that when they were kids and stuff.
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  So there is still that element. But now that generation is
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  really fixated on games and technology and stuff, and I
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  mean, our generation that. Yeah, as you say, we would just
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  go out and just play outside. That was, it was like, go
• 22:18
  outside, like your parents would just say, like, you know, you've
• 22:20
  been on, you've been inside to on, get outside, come back at
• 22:23
  this time, for dinner, it's up to you to make your own fun, but
• 22:28
  we did Last time your kids were outside when they were little,
• 22:35
  they outside where my tooth, they never want to go out and
• 22:46
  I'm gonna play baseball. It's like do cycling or
• 22:49
  something or any of that. Yeah, I just don't get it
• 22:54
  because, I mean, even combining the two because obviously, when
• 22:58
  I was growing up we Have like PlayStation PlayStation 2, I had
• 23:02
  those things, but I wouldn't want to always play them or
• 23:05
  like, if I didn't pay them with sometimes, it'd be fun to play
• 23:07
  outside with my friends. And then when we got bit, tired,
• 23:10
  become in, get some food, whatever, sit down and play
• 23:14
  together on the PlayStation or whatever and then we'd get bored
• 23:18
  with, want to go back outside again.
• 23:20
  I just, you know, I mean there it was a combination of the two
• 23:22
  wasn't, just like games and only games and Steven to this day.
• 23:27
  I'm like they don't they don't feel like you know you don't
• 23:32
  have to really meet people. You don't have to you know
• 23:36
  everything is this technology. Well I mean because I all
• 23:41
  meeting people through that though on this just a different
• 23:44
  medium but I think the issue is more that, you know, it's never
• 23:48
  going to be the same as face-to-face.
• 23:50
  And obviously, you know, some of your friends are going to be
• 23:52
  online. I've got many online that I've
• 23:55
  met. Tiant people and we Forge like,
• 23:58
  real real friendships, but at the same time, free gaming and
• 24:03
  things like this, that that's like a particular medium is that
• 24:06
  your friends through that medium and then meeting each other?
• 24:11
  When you meet people in real life?
• 24:13
  Yeah, it's different, isn't it? But I think sometimes the issue
• 24:16
  is, there's this problem with differentiating between the two
• 24:21
  between online life and real life and sometimes you get to
• 24:25
  consumed it and After my myself to step away, sometimes because
• 24:29
  everything I do for the most part I use online as a, it's a
• 24:34
  tool for marketing purposes, for growing all that stuff.
• 24:39
  But a lot of what I do involve speaking to people like speaking
• 24:41
  to wonderful people such as yourselves and speaking to
• 24:44
  people in live streams and stuff that base still speaking to
• 24:48
  someone and getting something from someone back and forth.
• 24:52
  There's a lot of people they don't do that and it's I don't
• 24:55
  know. I feel like it in a away.
• 24:56
  It's it might be a problem for socialization, not necessarily
• 25:01
  but it might in years to come seeking me her room and that's
• 25:10
  it. Just if she has her phone that's
• 25:13
  all she needs. It still, have you two playing
• 25:15
  in the background but it's the other phone.
• 25:17
  That's all you need. I mean I'm like you sure you
• 25:20
  don't want to go meet people for what and I asked her she was
• 25:22
  like for what I'm like. Oh okay, yes.
• 25:26
  It's Am I Wrong Keanu? I mean, really, there's really
• 25:34
  what you think it is. If you had to have you ever seen
• 25:40
  them? Interact is so funny trying to
• 25:42
  get the new gen Z in a room together.
• 25:45
  It seems like they're scared. They can't speak to each other.
• 25:49
  They don't know how to speak on the phone.
• 25:50
  It's so weird. It's not like they can
• 25:54
  manipulate a phone real quick, but to speak to each other, I've
• 25:59
  seen all three of them because she has two dollars, and I have
• 26:01
  one, they're in the same room in all of them on their phone,
• 26:04
  they're not real. Yes, I don't get this.
• 26:09
  This is weird when you all liked it.
• 26:11
  But you know my Generations guilty for this as well and I
• 26:14
  don't get that. Like if I'm out with someone
• 26:16
  that phone is in my pocket, I'm not touching nothing but I see
• 26:20
  other people like their own like date night and it's a couple
• 26:22
  just sitting there with their phones.
• 26:23
  I thought, what's the point? Why?
• 26:27
  What's the point, right? My foot is this much for me,
• 26:31
  especially like when you're like when you're going out to eat or
• 26:35
  something like that? Like, phones away because why
• 26:39
  we're sitting right here. But your Broadway route?
• 26:44
  No, no one told me that growing up that you shouldn't be doing
• 26:47
  that. I just knew you shouldn't rude.
• 26:49
  Like, yeah. They don't know.
• 26:53
  It's like, why why is it a bad thing?
• 26:56
  It's rude. If I was, if I was a bit old
• 27:00
  because I when I got my first phone when I was maybe like 10
• 27:02
  or 11 but it was like a Nokia 3410.
• 27:06
  And you could do like nothing with it so it's never really an
• 27:10
  issue but if I'd have been better grow up later and I had a
• 27:14
  phone and love my mum would have my mom was very strict that
• 27:19
  would, that would have been an issue and I would not have done
• 27:22
  that. It's Olivia comes down to
• 27:24
  Parenting. I do that.
• 27:25
  But other days it's a weird one. I mean as you say like you
• 27:28
  interact with your door and you say like why don't you want to
• 27:31
  and they're just like I've got everything I need here and I
• 27:34
  makes you wonder, doesn't it? It's like hmm.
• 27:37
  And I don't know, I mean, there are examples of in society of
• 27:42
  where they're trying to get people to go out and do things
• 27:44
  more together and not use phones.
• 27:46
  I mean, you've even got things now like Retreats where you can
• 27:51
  go there and there's like, no internet, no phones.
• 27:55
  They take all that stuff from you.
• 27:56
  As I don't know how I would feel about that book up to reception.
• 27:59
  Like give us your phone and your passport.
• 28:01
  What is this? A robbery.
• 28:36
  Right. This damn phone.
• 28:42
  I never got that. I mean I just get what I need.
• 28:45
  I always do that. I don't care about flashing or
• 28:48
  anything, I do, I feel like if anything the more expensive
• 28:51
  stuff you got in their hand, the more that's kind of an
• 28:53
  advertisement for, hey, come grab me like this.
• 28:55
  Just like, wait, why would you want to do that?
• 28:59
  Yeah. Like when I was a teenager, what
• 29:01
  I would do is I'd have two phones and I'd keep the nice one
• 29:04
  at home, right? Well, Before you get right,
• 29:07
  because I grew up. I grew up poor so I'll explain
• 29:09
  this, right? So I'd have to have, I'd have a
• 29:12
  phone, the, I don't know. Maybe I got, let's say for
• 29:16
  Christmas. My parents would have saved up
• 29:17
  for a long time, and I got that, and that was the phone, right?
• 29:22
  But then I'd even have that photo.
• 29:24
  I used to break things a lot. I was terrible with stuff like
• 29:27
  that. And if I would, I'd end up
• 29:28
  getting a terrible phone and my mom will be like, well, don't
• 29:31
  you want to try and replace that about?
• 29:32
  No, no, it's better. That I have a terrible phone
• 29:35
  because then when People try and rob me, which happen quite a
• 29:38
  lot. They would just remember one
• 29:40
  time. Like, I took my phone, he looked
• 29:42
  at it and he was that. Now, you can have that back way.
• 29:44
  Wow. I don't think I had a nice
• 30:02
  phone, all the phones. I was given Well, I even had to
• 30:06
  save up for a better part of like, a year and a half.
• 30:10
  I do things like saved my lunch money naughty and do stuff like
• 30:13
  that or this was more common. I would have to wait until
• 30:17
  someone had a phone but they were giving away or something
• 30:21
  like that. Like second third handphone
• 30:23
  stuff like that and that's how I get a phone so it was always old
• 30:27
  hand-me-downs sort of stuff, but I was never really bothered.
• 30:30
  Like I even to this day, I don't really care about like having
• 30:32
  the latest tech and I feel like it if anything.
• 30:35
  Now it's, it's more. It's more problematic because
• 30:40
  like there's no differences between the phones.
• 30:42
  It's like oh I have the iPhone 13.
• 30:43
  Okay what's different? So it's got a slightly curvier
• 30:47
  Edge and it's an extra two hundred dollars, what?
• 30:53
  I don't get that. You carries me, that was one
• 31:28
  thing but now I'm a little attached to it because mostly
• 31:32
  business. That's mostly because it
• 31:35
  business. But otherwise I'm like, I used
• 31:37
  to always also I used to until recently until someone was like,
• 31:40
  you can just stop that before bed.
• 31:43
  I would turn off my phone. Yeah.
• 31:44
  Because I didn't want to hear like the little being being
• 31:47
  being me. Me me me because he's wake me up
• 31:49
  until recently. Somebody like, you need to stop
• 31:52
  that. Because what if I need to call
• 31:53
  you in the middle of the night, I want, You have my, I still
• 31:56
  have a house phone. So I'm like, if you really need
• 31:59
  me, call my house phone. Just below.
• 32:02
  Why you calling me in middle of the night?
• 32:03
  What's wrong with you? Fortunately, fortunately I'm
• 32:40
  learning, it's different with business.
• 32:42
  I hear that. I mean the only reason I have
• 32:44
  the phone that I have now and the social media apps that I
• 32:47
  have now is purely just because of all of this.
• 32:51
  Then the things that I do. If I wasn't doing any of this
• 32:53
  stuff I just wouldn't bother. I don't see the point.
• 32:57
  I'll quite honestly, I mean a lot of these apps are quite
• 33:00
  superficial. I mean Instagram is all just
• 33:03
  pay. Look at how great my life is and
• 33:05
  how wonderful everything Is even though I'm actually quietly
• 33:08
  dying inside, that's basically what Instagram is because I know
• 33:11
  no one ever Jimmy you ever see a photo of someone like on a bad
• 33:14
  day? Like oh you know the puddle in
• 33:18
  the road went all over my face and you know I got fired today
• 33:22
  from work like you don't see that that's like oh look at me
• 33:24
  on this wonderful holiday. Oh look, I got Scott mhairi.
• 33:27
  Do the all right. Great.
• 33:31
  You don't even have an Instagram again, I have no social media
• 33:34
  whatsoever. I'm like you, I Did back in the
• 33:37
  day, I had like the first Facebook.
• 33:39
  I remember when he first came out and then I got in an
• 33:42
  argument with Keanu, right there, and then somebody else.
• 33:45
  But it in the argument, I was like, all right, I could just
• 33:49
  got stupid. This is like we took the family
• 33:52
  issues. Now, we're learning and public
• 33:54
  Nails. I don't even know this person
• 33:56
  that commenting and I'm like, who are you?
• 33:59
  I see what the family reunions. Oh, get out.
• 34:07
  Yeah, I was like you can't find me if you do find me.
• 34:18
  It's kind of sad but if you know, I have no social media was
• 34:21
  living none, except I'm surprised you guys don't use it
• 34:28
  for for, for business know. Social me, do are you sure?
• 34:33
  And I had like my businesses I had to but I kept my face off of
• 34:37
  me. How about you Kelly?
• 34:41
  So now. So now we have it for the
• 34:44
  podcast, okay? We have Instagram, we have
• 34:50
  Twitter and I think we're going to probably start a tick tock,
• 34:55
  because that seems to be a big thing right now.
• 34:59
  But I'm like, her, I had Facebook Instagram.
• 35:03
  I actually still have Instagram but I haven't logged into it for
• 35:07
  like, 34 years. So so personally I don't want it
• 35:15
  because like you said and I looked at it I think the last
• 35:19
  time I logged in a couple years ago, I was looking at it and I'm
• 35:21
  like, only time I post something is my daughter's graduating my
• 35:27
  daughter's going to a dance like nothing and and I don't want to
• 35:32
  see other people like it's like when you know, somebody like for
• 35:37
  real. And you see like, say for
• 35:40
  instance, I know somebody has, I don't know a bad marriage but
• 35:44
  you see them post like oh me and my husband or me and my wife and
• 35:49
  it's like what a crock? I just feel bad for them.
• 35:54
  Like I I honestly I'm like, I hope things get better because
• 35:58
  this isn't the way to, I don't know, but I bet it's I guess
• 36:02
  it's just different preferences, isn't it?
• 36:04
  Like, I'm single, I have been for a long time, but I feel like
• 36:06
  if I did have a partner I just Wouldn't want to post about it
• 36:10
  like not because I wasn't proud but because it's like it's a
• 36:13
  private thing. Like it's yeah, but I get one
• 36:16
  into shit because I don't get me wrong, I get wanting to share
• 36:19
  your successes with the world achievements.
• 36:22
  Like, I've done it like I you know, it's cool.
• 36:24
  It's nice. But every like I think the whole
• 36:27
  continual updates thing is where I draw the line.
• 36:29
  Like I don't get like my breakfast.
• 36:32
  Yeah. Right because if you had a rice
• 36:37
  bowl, Nobody cares, early? Twitter was like that what
• 36:43
  before everyone kind of figured out how or what to use it for?
• 36:46
  It was all just like just had a bag of chips.
• 36:51
  Just had dinner. So do we?
• 36:55
  That's it. Yeah.
• 36:57
  What do you think about that? You know, our children's
• 37:03
  generation. They look at that all day long
• 37:07
  but, you know, they're in their phones and that's what they're
• 37:09
  looking at Instagram. Twitter, Tick-Tock and it's
• 37:13
  like, well, the Wake, they communicate is a lot different.
• 37:16
  I mean, because I would say the, I'm beginning to get to the
• 37:19
  point. Now, where I'm beginning to drop
• 37:21
  off as far as what I Stan's, I try to keep up to date with
• 37:25
  things just so I know you're because my community, on
• 37:28
  Tick-Tock, for example is ranges everywhere from like 13, 14
• 37:32
  year, olds were up to 60, 70 year olds.
• 37:34
  So it's a very broad range. You get a lot of different age
• 37:37
  ranges and sometimes, when some of the younger people come in, I
• 37:40
  don't know what the hell they're talking about.
• 37:42
  So I have to look up this stuff and kind of try to get an
• 37:45
  understanding of it. And from what I understand, a
• 37:47
  lot of the stuff that they posed is like visual its anime staff.
• 37:52
  It's memes like Fully familiar with memes, but like that some
• 37:55
  of their means it's like you need a ton of context in order
• 37:59
  to understand and that's what, like what huh?
• 38:02
  What like a lot of the time. It just comes down to Trends and
• 38:05
  such, but you, you have to like, sit down and do research into
• 38:09
  this. So you can understand.
• 38:19
  He's weird about it. Like, he, he gets Glee, the
• 38:23
  from, like, he'll post like throughout the year, right?
• 38:26
  Go like, you know, there's a birthday.
• 38:28
  He's someone, he's always happy birthday, right?
• 38:30
  But when his birthday comes around, he get so happy when
• 38:32
  people are like, yeah. Happy birthday signing and they
• 38:36
  just posting them. Like really, really like how
• 38:39
  many people do you actually know any?
• 38:41
  But yeah, he may not we don't post anything about us women.
• 38:44
  Like, no, there's no need. I see you every day when we post
• 38:48
  them for we posted, I've seen that with people.
• 38:52
  Yeah, people post. To each other.
• 38:53
  They're a couple and it's like but but like you just you know,
• 38:58
  just say to each other in the house.
• 39:00
  Like happy birthday baby. I love you so much.
• 39:04
  Okay, it's kind of sweet other than maybe I'm just being mr.
• 39:09
  Cynical, I've been single now so I just It is me over 18 years.
• 39:17
  I'm not posting about that. That's some between us.
• 39:21
  I'm like yeah, well we posted for who cares, there's many,
• 39:25
  many people in this world like a, it's all good.
• 39:29
  When people over share a little bit too much as well because you
• 39:33
  don't know what to make about that.
• 39:34
  It's like guys just packed us up, put it behind closed doors,
• 39:38
  it's no one needs to know about this Jesus for the love of God.
• 39:43
  Oh my God. I really like before my
• 39:47
  daughter, I never, I never posted.
• 39:50
  I never played my daughter's image out there.
• 39:52
  Yeah, now she's almost 18, she can do what she wants, if she
• 39:56
  has her own account, don't even check it, but between her and
• 39:58
  God. But, okay, I never put my
• 40:02
  daughter's image out there at all.
• 40:05
  Let's talk about this for a second.
• 40:06
  See, you place quite a lot of trust in her.
• 40:08
  As far as, like, navigating social media and being saved.
• 40:11
  Is there any particular things? You've told her like, hey, stay
• 40:14
  away from this be conscious this or you just trust her implicitly
• 40:17
  and slow get on with it. Like mean Keanu, we used to
• 40:22
  have, we call them PSAs. We used to gather the girls in
• 40:26
  the living room, and we used to just say, don't do this.
• 40:29
  Don't be stupid about this, any Council.
• 40:31
  Like when I do trust her, like, I was telling her, I was like
• 40:35
  you post naked pictures if you want to, but guess what?
• 40:38
  You will have to get a job. And if someone you cease, your
• 40:42
  tatas out there and you really, His jobs.
• 40:44
  You're not getting it so be careful and hey life I have a
• 40:49
  way of like, you know, life will get you life lessons.
• 40:52
  Yeah. I so I'm like I'm not gonna
• 40:54
  punish you for it but you'll learn it'll bite, you know.
• 40:59
  But I mean I basically raised her like I wanted to be, I
• 41:02
  treated her. Like I want to be treated, leave
• 41:04
  you alone, T mess up. And I think even with like, so
• 41:12
  you're posting this and some Like if some 30 year old come to
• 41:15
  you and you're 17, he doesn't want you for what you think.
• 41:19
  It's not luck. That is predatory.
• 41:22
  What your 30? He 70?
• 41:24
  What do you have incoming? You have nothing in common
• 41:27
  except us on the live stream the other day because we were
• 41:30
  talking about the idea of like the power Dynamic thing.
• 41:33
  There's like even if it is legal or whatever it's still just
• 41:37
  dodgy because it's like yeah you me as you say you got nothing in
• 41:41
  common and this person. I should be around people their
• 41:47
  age and they're not and it's like that's probably a big red
• 41:50
  flag right there. You know, you need to just avoid
• 41:52
  this person but if somebody's nice right, I think it is like a
• 41:57
  power trip. I think whether it's you know,
• 42:00
  whether it's a man or a woman you know, if they're I don't
• 42:04
  know to me anything over. I don't know.
• 42:09
  Seven, eight, nine years. Like, like what do you really
• 42:12
  have in common at a at a certain point like a like an 18 year
• 42:16
  old. Like she said, 18 year old with
• 42:18
  a 30-year old for what you have? Absolutely nothing in common.
• 42:23
  Nothing nothing to bring to the table.
• 42:26
  Other than, in my opinion, I can mold this person.
• 42:31
  I can mold them into what I want them to be.
• 42:35
  I can control them. That I don't know.
• 42:38
  That's how I think about it. Even, you know, even for a woman
• 42:40
  when they say, like, I don't know, especially at our age.
• 42:43
  Now, I could be considered a cougar.
• 42:47
  I think it's still about power. If I have money and he doesn't,
• 42:52
  I'm going to get you to do what I want you to do because I have
• 42:56
  something that you don't. So, don't you Dynamic really?
• 43:01
  I mean, I feel like an a grown adult to his let's say like if
• 43:05
  you like 24 25 something like that.
• 43:07
  I think you're old enough to kind of make your own decisions,
• 43:09
  but at the same time, as you say, when there's an influence,
• 43:13
  like money power, I don't know, jobs, sometimes people do things
• 43:18
  because of, you know, oh well I'm your boss or I'm, you know,
• 43:22
  in some way I can help you with your career, something like
• 43:24
  that. Like, you've got to be careful
• 43:25
  about stuff like that because it can really just be used against
• 43:29
  you. And you can find yourself caught
• 43:31
  in a situation where you don't know how to get out of.
• 43:34
  I think the trouble is, especially with a lot of younger
• 43:36
  women. They see, like all the guys and
• 43:38
  they think like, oh he's mature, no one, my age is mature and
• 43:41
  it's like, yeah, but if he's interested in you, that's a
• 43:46
  problem because he's fully grown man, like, you shouldn't be
• 43:49
  anywhere near you. And yeah, I might be frustrating
• 43:52
  the guys your age and not mature enough, but like in time when
• 43:55
  you go up, they will be mature. And that not, not every single
• 43:58
  person is immature, you know, but it's, I don't know, it's the
• 44:02
  Olivia learn I suppose sometimes.
• 44:07
  There's one time you're going to laugh.
• 44:12
  I remember this one time like I was really in love with and I
• 44:15
  was around Danny's age, probably around 1820 saw around there.
• 44:20
  I was really in love with this one, dude, Wildflower.
• 44:24
  We call them. He remember Leroy.
• 44:27
  And I was with, I was like, you know, I was my mother hated him
• 44:30
  me rightfully so and I was like, Ma, you know, God sent him.
• 44:35
  I believe God sent to them even more Like yeah.
• 44:38
  Well the devil sends people to and that's what I think about
• 44:44
  that whole pie. You know what you said about is
• 44:46
  like women, you know, who have that power Dynamic where you
• 44:50
  know they're young and you know they're impressionable and
• 44:53
  whatever. Yeah.
• 44:54
  The devil says people to just because he seems mature doesn't
• 44:59
  mean he probably is like from a if I'm like if he's your 1730
• 45:03
  you'll know anything or 18 and 30 or know anything so he does.
• 45:07
  SC mature, but if you put him in a 40 year, olds eyes, you'll be
• 45:10
  like that do still has nothing. He's not even with you hurt, but
• 45:14
  you don't know that and sometimes with your daughter's,
• 45:18
  you gotta live in let them live alone.
• 45:20
  Because I know, I can attest there being many times like we
• 45:23
  knew people being like, yeah, that dude does not seem safe.
• 45:27
  You love me, but you like me he's dreamy.
• 45:32
  Hey whoo. You had to learn the hard way
• 45:34
  that just is what it is. But I mean, Comes the like I was
• 45:38
  telling you seem like some stories were like in high
• 45:41
  school. Like there's a 15 year old an 18
• 45:44
  year old. I have no problem with that but
• 45:46
  not much 16:18, still don't have a problem with it like sophomore
• 45:51
  senior, but if you're like 18 and my daughter's in middle
• 45:56
  school now we got problems or if you're like I'm 18 and you're
• 46:00
  like 25 because always said 25 you kind of basically baked you
• 46:06
  already know who you are. You are and you're turning into
• 46:08
  18 year old. I got issues and especially with
• 46:11
  women and cougars, especially our age you have younger dudes.
• 46:14
  So always are like, oh I want a milk.
• 46:17
  No um no. I no I can't.
• 46:22
  No I I was 22. I know where you're going.
• 46:26
  I know who you are. It it can.
• 46:32
  Because I don't see Kiana with a 20 or I can't imagine.
• 46:44
  I mean You were 20 magic.
• 47:04
  That's just gross, definitely. It's it kid.
• 47:08
  That's raising babies. Let's quit.
• 47:15
  I agree. I agree.
• 47:17
  Let's move on. Let's bring it back to Gen X.
• 47:21
  What do you think? This is?
• 47:25
  What I mean about this show. I Like It To Go in different
• 47:27
  directions until because he's the relevant things about life
• 47:31
  on the You know, it's I think particularly with the
• 47:35
  generational divides, its even, even though I will say this
• 47:39
  about like, security online and stuff like that, is that you get
• 47:43
  taught about these things. But sometimes people have to
• 47:45
  make the mistakes for themselves and it's not ideal but you know,
• 47:49
  I remember my mom sitting me down and having the
• 47:51
  conversations about online stuff and she didn't know really about
• 47:54
  online stuff but she was just trying to be a good parent, you
• 47:57
  know. And I was always a pretty wise
• 47:59
  kid. I listened to my mom, I did what
• 48:00
  I was told and I was I was Lucky in that respect.
• 48:03
  But I had friends that did some Really scary stuff and they
• 48:08
  would lucky that nothing happened that you know it's just
• 48:13
  terrifying out there in online. Sometimes you have to be really
• 48:16
  really careful who you're dealing with.
• 48:20
  What do you think are the defining characteristics of Gen
• 48:24
  X? Everly.
• 48:27
  I think we don't trust nobody. I mean, we are always looking
• 48:31
  like we're skeptical in. Also, we are feral like when we
• 48:35
  say feral children we were feral children like our parents
• 48:40
  weren't tracking us. There was nothing to trafficking
• 48:44
  right ski. You mean, we had like member of
• 48:46
  the string around your neck. Like the I have like a shoelace
• 48:50
  around in that ground, he had the key on the bottom and you
• 48:53
  took that under your shirt. So, no way.
• 48:55
  You can see, yeah, we had that and we were based in also
• 48:59
  Independence, our parents were like, do this.
• 49:03
  You better learn. It wasn't like they sat there
• 49:05
  and taught this stuff. You was like, all right.
• 49:08
  We'll teach you once you go to get it.
• 49:11
  Otherwise there are consequences.
• 49:14
  What do you think? Future Generations can learn
• 49:17
  from Gen-X? I think the independence and I
• 49:21
  really feel like the generations that are coming up are so
• 49:26
  dependent upon Everybody else to do everything for them.
• 49:34
  I'm not sure about Millennials but like, like kids that are
• 49:40
  coming up now, like you said, we had to do everything for
• 49:47
  ourselves and I don't think that that's the case.
• 49:51
  Now, you know, it's a lot of hand-holding.
• 49:55
  I saw, I saw a little clip somebody I was talking about how
• 50:04
  What? It's like, like in a game.
• 50:07
  Okay? In a race.
• 50:10
  There was one winner, everybody didn't get a reward and now kids
• 50:17
  are like, I want it. I want it.
• 50:20
  And everybody gets something. Instead of like learning that
• 50:25
  you have to work hard to get it. It's just not handed out because
• 50:30
  you are who you are. That's a trick.
• 50:34
  On. I mean, I can understand, excuse
• 50:38
  me, the mindset behind wanting to celebrate people's
• 50:42
  individuality and our differences as beings, but at
• 50:45
  the same time, yeah. Like there's nothing wrong with
• 50:47
  teaching like competition and the idea of a winner and a
• 50:50
  loser. And I think a better thing to
• 50:52
  try and teach someone is that it's okay to lose Janome.
• 50:56
  There's this real fear in society in my car.
• 50:59
  If I lose, I'm a failure and it's like, that's not do more
• 51:03
  like losing. Is the most valuable thing you
• 51:05
  can ever do. Because that's when the lessons
• 51:08
  come, if you win all the time you don't learn shit.
• 51:11
  But losing is what teaches you the real lessons in life because
• 51:15
  then you can kind of go back and understand what?
• 51:18
  Okay, why didn't I win? What was that?
• 51:21
  Was that? Because I would just wasn't
• 51:23
  lucky this particular time is it because there's a fundamental
• 51:26
  thing that I need to change, you know?
• 51:29
  I mean, I think you learn so much about yourself through the
• 51:32
  hard times and the In life and you know, this is why I've
• 51:37
  always thought the things like sports and Jim and all of these,
• 51:41
  like, I always tell my followers to go to gym, not so much
• 51:44
  because it's good for them and their body in their and their
• 51:47
  Fitness. It's more about what it will
• 51:49
  teach you and life. Like, for me, it teaches me,
• 51:52
  motivation, discipline, the idea that sometimes, you know, you'll
• 51:59
  have your best days in the gym and you're absolutely kill it.
• 52:02
  And the next day maybe you won't do it.
• 52:04
  As much maybe won't be able to push yourself as hard, but as
• 52:07
  long as you push yourself to the best that you can on that day,
• 52:11
  that's enough. There's lessons like that.
• 52:14
  You don't always learn, you know, in a textbook or whatever.
• 52:20
  Like you just have to learn them through life experience that I
• 52:22
  think with the modern mentality now is they don't want to make
• 52:26
  people feel bad about themselves and I understand that but I
• 52:30
  think there's a way to kind of get around that kind of refrain
• 52:33
  it and show. people like, hey, It's okay.
• 52:37
  You just you just need to look at this a slightly different
• 52:39
  way. No, go ahead.
• 52:44
  I'm sorry. Mac, give out ribbons.
• 52:51
  You were like the red ribbon was like first.
• 52:54
  No, first place is blue. Second place was red.
• 52:58
  And then after that, you got ribbons.
• 52:59
  And if you suck you suck and now was there, we were taught as
• 53:02
  kids like at the closing end of the year, if you got a yellow
• 53:05
  ribbon, you be like least he tried.
• 53:08
  You know what I mean? Or if you got a white use like
• 53:11
  you suck, you know what I mean? Just what you got.
• 53:13
  And people used to display all their ribbons.
• 53:15
  You know was like, hey, I got one good.
• 53:18
  Glowing. I ain't get them all.
• 53:20
  But hey, you know, that's why we learn especially with
• 53:23
  competition and I wish my daughter had a field day.
• 53:26
  So when she was in elementary, I was like, yeah, well that's my
• 53:28
  daughter going to get. She was like, we all got ribbons
• 53:32
  for what and she was like cuz we all participate in.
• 53:35
  I was like, ah, you know School and college.
• 53:50
  Like, I remember a particular College, I got an award for
• 53:54
  attendance and I was like, what's this?
• 53:57
  And then we'll, I always in attendance award.
• 53:58
  I might see you give me an award for being here.
• 54:05
  This particular College, cause I was paying to go.
• 54:07
  So I would have been a fool not to show up, you're mean, and
• 54:10
  then like, bringing it back to school.
• 54:13
  I remember, we did School awards and there was one kid in our
• 54:17
  year. Who got hundred percent
• 54:19
  attendance. Like like he never missed a day
• 54:23
  of school ever, which? Okay, that's kind of an
• 54:27
  achievement. But at the same time, I sat
• 54:28
  there thinking, like, what you never had a sick day.
• 54:31
  You never what? Like, how and also just, I don't
• 54:35
  know, I felt like a bit of sadness hearing that, as much as
• 54:37
  I wanted to be happy for the guy, I just felt like, dude,
• 54:41
  that sucks like, well, we used to sometimes bunk off.
• 54:43
  I don't have the time of our lives, not saying you should do
• 54:45
  that, by the way, but just, I don't know what it was.
• 54:48
  What about school? Like it was the other stuff we
• 54:51
  need like and he was very studious and you could tell he
• 54:54
  was really happy with them proud of it, good for him but like,
• 54:57
  just I never understood that. Well done, but showing up.
• 55:30
  It's like, oh my gosh, instead of like, like as they're growing
• 55:35
  up, somebody saying it's okay that you lost.
• 55:39
  But like you said, what did you learn from that?
• 55:42
  And since they're not getting that they have this mentality of
• 55:47
  I deserve everything? Because I want it just because
• 55:52
  not because I work for it, not because I did anything to get it
• 55:58
  just because I want people say and I doing good.
• 56:03
  No, I was just gonna repeat that.
• 56:05
  This is what's going to take on tag onto that with my
• 56:10
  generation. So Millennials and gen.
• 56:13
  See a word that gets thrown around.
• 56:15
  A lot, is the idea of entitlement Where do you think
• 56:19
  that originates from? Because I remember, okay, I will
• 56:24
  say this like, as much as I wish, I grew up in the
• 56:26
  Millennials age range. I mean you know I grew up in a
• 56:32
  poor household like minimum didn't have much.
• 56:35
  I remember always just being massively grateful for anything.
• 56:39
  Like I was just proud that there was food on the table and you
• 56:44
  know, a roof over our heads and you know, we made the best of it
• 56:47
  like I don't ever Ever remember, being sad.
• 56:50
  And I remember my mom would be apologetic.
• 56:52
  Sometimes like I'm sorry, Chris, I'm sorry, we can't do this.
• 56:54
  We can't afford to do this. And I was like, happy.
• 56:57
  Like I was like, and I never got that and I think she was always
• 57:01
  grateful for that, but I feel like that was just purely
• 57:03
  because of her parenting that I had that attitude.
• 57:06
  But you know, as I've gotten older, I've realized there is
• 57:10
  this kind of sense of entitlement that people have
• 57:12
  like, instant gratification culture and, you know, decided,
• 57:20
  Okay. Listen up guys, for younger
• 57:21
  folks, everything in life that you want you have to work for
• 57:25
  it. Life isn't going to give you
• 57:27
  anything, you have to work for it, like everything I ever had.
• 57:29
  I had to work for, it wasn't given it on a plate, had to work
• 57:32
  for it. Where does where does it come
• 57:35
  from this entitlement? I'm going to tell you that, I
• 57:38
  think that it has a lot to do with the way we grew up.
• 57:45
  So, like, for me, I feel like a lot of the things I feel like I
• 57:51
  missed or I didn't have I give it to them because I didn't have
• 57:58
  it. And I think that's for a lot of
• 58:02
  people who have children that are our ages, you know,
• 58:05
  teenagers and stuff. Like there was a lot of, you
• 58:08
  know, different things that we didn't talk about different
• 58:11
  things that and now I'm like everything, I feel like I didn't
• 58:16
  have everything, I feel like I was supposed to have, I try to
• 58:22
  give that to them and I think that's where the entitlement
• 58:25
  comes from because they get things that they don't
• 58:28
  necessarily. You know, like when we were
• 58:30
  kids, if we got in trouble, they took something away in the
• 58:33
  story. More lenient in like the older.
• 58:39
  They get them. Like probably shouldn't do that.
• 58:42
  I probably shouldn't take it away.
• 58:50
  Why are you doing this? I'm on the other side of it.
• 58:54
  Where, like, I have an only child, I was Raising only child.
• 58:57
  I have an only child And the other side of it is like when my
• 59:03
  mother was around, right? Remember we were kids and we
• 59:06
  want to cheese are not Whoppers, or you want to achieve there
• 59:10
  were lying. What do you what do you need
• 59:12
  that for? We, can we have that at home.
• 59:16
  So once I have that at home, Will she deserves it?
• 59:53
  Do you remember me? Do you It is the interfere whole
• 1:00:01
  lot in which you don't give them, although they will give it
• 1:00:04
  and that's where some of the entitlement comes from.
• 1:00:07
  They deserve this and I'm like, but but you didn't show up to my
• 1:00:11
  play. Well, that's not the problem.
• 1:00:12
  But you should either minute. Wait, wait, yes.
• 1:00:17
  And that's mine. It will my daughter and goes
• 1:01:00
  again because my husband's kinging oh, she's treated like
• 1:01:04
  royalty. Like she walks on the ground.
• 1:01:07
  Anything she said, I want to go to see a kangaroo.
• 1:01:11
  They will go and probably fund the trip to Australia and do
• 1:01:15
  this this and they will go get it on like, well crap.
• 1:01:18
  What do you do with that as parents?
• 1:01:20
  What do you do? And I'm like, you forgot how you
• 1:01:23
  used to Parry need well, different times.
• 1:01:26
  I'm learning from my mistakes will crack.
• 1:01:30
  Yeah, these things. And so that's why they're
• 1:01:34
  entitled this stuff is because of that, it's weird.
• 1:01:38
  They're weird hurts to laugh right now.
• 1:01:59
  It's cheese on my burger every time, because if that correct, I
• 1:02:04
  remember my nan was like that, my pet, weirdly I had to
• 1:02:07
  reverse, my mom was always like, try and give me whatever she
• 1:02:11
  could give me, you know, because my name was really strict.
• 1:02:15
  My mom was also strict, but in a different way that she gave me a
• 1:02:18
  lot of freedom when I was a teenager.
• 1:02:19
  She was always very fat. She was like strict, but fair,
• 1:02:23
  you know, she's very like that. So I respect the way my mom did
• 1:02:26
  it, but I do remember going to my Nan's house and they were
• 1:02:29
  things that used to drive me nuts.
• 1:02:30
  I'll give you a few examples. So on the topic of food, when it
• 1:02:34
  came to ice cream and the ice cream, van came as a big thing
• 1:02:37
  in the UK, but no ice cream, ice cream cheese.
• 1:02:40
  Like we've got ice cream in the fridge and I, my obvious, it's
• 1:02:43
  not the same and she's like, you get what you're given.
• 1:02:48
  That's how we work. Yeah.
• 1:02:50
  Right. But the other one that used to
• 1:02:53
  drive be unbelievably nuts. Let's say she's preparing
• 1:02:58
  dinner. And I want a snack.
• 1:03:01
  May I please have ice cream from the fridge?
• 1:03:04
  No, you can't eat before your dinner, why?
• 1:03:08
  Because I said, so but why? Because I said so see.
• 1:03:13
  My mom would always painstakingly sit down and
• 1:03:15
  explain exactly. Why.
• 1:03:16
  And that used to, I used to accept.
• 1:03:18
  Those are okay, that makes sense, but my nan would never do
• 1:03:21
  that. She was always like, no, no.
• 1:03:23
  I've since found out with my younger cousins and brothers
• 1:03:26
  should Pony. She's lenient now, but she sure
• 1:03:28
  is, Wasn't with me. Yeah I think you're maybe your
• 1:03:35
  grandmother's like on the same generation with our parents
• 1:03:40
  because that's that's how it was with this.
• 1:03:43
  There's no question I'm not answering anything just because
• 1:03:46
  I said so my mom used to get a lot of criticism for the way she
• 1:03:52
  brought me up because she would get told all you can't talk to
• 1:03:55
  him like an adult. That's you can't do that.
• 1:03:57
  He's not an adult and it's like Like no, but by doing that, he
• 1:04:00
  will understand. And then I don't have to scream
• 1:04:04
  shout, get upset with him, he just gets it because I would
• 1:04:07
  listen to her and I do what she said, and I wouldn't act out or
• 1:04:11
  anything because she showed that level of respect.
• 1:04:13
  And she got criticized from everything from family friends
• 1:04:17
  school, like you name it. And in the end it worked out
• 1:04:20
  better. Because, you know, if she was
• 1:04:23
  like, don't do this about, okay? And then when she calm down a
• 1:04:26
  bit at why? Fun.
• 1:04:30
  Yeah, we ask. Why boom?
• 1:04:34
  What did I tell you? What did I tell you?
• 1:04:37
  Okay, you don't ask questions. Mm, tell me I'm wrong key on and
• 1:04:41
  tell me I'm wrong. You don't ask questions.
• 1:04:44
  It was just I told you so and if you talk back are you talking
• 1:04:48
  back to me? Are you talking back to me?
• 1:04:51
  Okay, you never. Never.
• 1:04:54
  It was some trauma that we have some therapy for now.
• 1:05:01
  I remember in the few occasions that I ever gave my mum rudeness
• 1:05:05
  or Trap Back. She'd just give me that look
• 1:05:08
  like, excuse me. What the fuck did you say?
• 1:05:13
  And I've been the worst thing because I love my motivates, but
• 1:05:16
  like she she really would like, just destroy me for ages.
• 1:05:20
  Like, I think the worst thing was the lecture So you guys sat
• 1:05:25
  down and she just talked for like an hour and go again and
• 1:05:29
  again and again to the point where I was so bored to tears
• 1:05:33
  that I just would never do it again because I didn't want to
• 1:05:35
  be lectured for an hour ago. This is like you said this five
• 1:05:40
  to do, you understand? Yes, I understood it.
• 1:05:42
  The first five times you said, oh, you are answering back and
• 1:05:44
  then that's another time to time.
• 1:05:54
  Two-second conversation in in and that was it.
• 1:05:56
  And they walk away. Walk away with pride.
• 1:05:59
  Do you like and, you know, here we are.
• 1:06:03
  You crying? Are you crying?
• 1:06:05
  Don't cry. Give me something.
• 1:06:08
  I'll give you something to cry for.
• 1:06:10
  Nah, I'll give you something to cry about, remember that?
• 1:06:49
  and I think that's the point of our podcast now is to say, hey,
• 1:06:53
  These things happen. But now here we are trying to
• 1:06:59
  make changes because of that. Is there any particular Avenues
• 1:07:05
  you want to explore this podcast?
• 1:07:06
  Other than just kind of talking about Gen X in general?
• 1:07:08
  Like any particular goals, you have with it.
• 1:07:12
  Well, my particular goal is like, I want to actually bring
• 1:07:16
  voice to our generation. We have something to say and
• 1:07:19
  it's our time to say you know we're older now and we can
• 1:07:23
  actually you know not only teach the younger generation but
• 1:07:26
  basically we're off or not only going most of us are parents to
• 1:07:30
  gen Z kids and they were also parents to our parents now,
• 1:07:34
  because they're older and having to be parents to both people
• 1:07:38
  that create some psychological, we need to get Get out.
• 1:07:43
  And for our generation most, we weren't brought up to half their
• 1:07:47
  EP. Especially in the black
• 1:07:49
  community therapy is like for crazy people.
• 1:07:52
  That's what we were taught. Like we you do we crazy oh you
• 1:07:55
  don't need therapy. Pray to God.
• 1:07:57
  You be all right. We need to get this out.
• 1:07:59
  Otherwise, we're gonna be crazy, you know what I mean?
• 1:08:02
  Because there's a whole lot of when your parents are two
• 1:08:05
  different Generations where you have to respect your mother but
• 1:08:09
  she's driving me. Bat shit, crazy.
• 1:08:11
  And then now, you have your Daughter, is she going to serve
• 1:08:14
  your she's driving me bat shit? Where you go and you want to be
• 1:08:17
  heard and you want to know. We also want to like you know,
• 1:08:21
  other people are going through this because you can't be the
• 1:08:24
  only one. Come, just be me that feels this
• 1:08:30
  way right here. Look at it, my God.
• 1:08:34
  I think, I think that's the point of it is that, you know,
• 1:08:37
  we're going through things and having a place where we can talk
• 1:08:41
  about that. That and talk about, you know,
• 1:08:43
  what do we do from here? How do we make changes?
• 1:08:48
  Is it okay to make changes based on the things that we're going
• 1:08:54
  through? I don't do the stuff that our
• 1:08:56
  parents kind of really did, you know, teach our kids better.
• 1:08:59
  Like I've never hit. I really never had my daughter
• 1:09:03
  when she was little, maybe one spanking and I was it was mostly
• 1:09:06
  lectures. That wasn't offered to me as a
• 1:09:09
  kid. We had to go get her own
• 1:09:10
  switches are off. Built.
• 1:09:13
  That's like that's not trouble. I don't know what it is.
• 1:09:17
  I can't tell you to do. You want to hit me with?
• 1:09:24
  So I've never hit my kid, really.
• 1:09:26
  I have you like ice water. I can't do that.
• 1:09:31
  Mostly she's the better for it, you know, that's what I mean.
• 1:09:36
  But they would call us pump earrings.
• 1:09:38
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:09:40
  I don't know, man. I think that if you can dish out
• 1:09:46
  some kind of, let's say they say punishments but without hitting
• 1:09:49
  your kids, I think that's an achievement, you know,
• 1:09:51
  especially if you can kind of create an air like where you do
• 1:09:54
  the classic like look like and then they're like, okay, you
• 1:10:00
  just little things like that, you know, creating more of an
• 1:10:02
  atmosphere rather than, you know, because I think as well
• 1:10:06
  sooner. Well, let's say you go too far
• 1:10:08
  the Other Extreme and, and you you set that as a precedent,
• 1:10:13
  then, you know, eventually that's not going to work.
• 1:10:17
  It's just not gonna be enough of a deterrent, so to speak.
• 1:10:20
  And it's, you know, I know everyone has different opinions
• 1:10:23
  on this. Yeah, my mom used to hit me a
• 1:10:27
  little Nothing too crazy before. Anyone gets any ideas, it was
• 1:10:31
  like, perfect, you know, within normal parenting levels, you
• 1:10:34
  know, and, you know, it kind of worked but it didn't.
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  I felt like it what works more was when we would sit down and
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  talk about things to be honest. That was the issue.
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  Sometimes she deserved to get angry annoyed of me.
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  You know, I was, I was never like a naughty kid, I was just
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  rude and a bit too, you know, knowledgeable for my own good,
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  and she knew that and I think, One of the, you know, one of the
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  biggest things, my mom taught me and I never forget this, she sat
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  me down. She said, do you really do?
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  You understand why I'm so hard on you and I was like why?
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  And she said, I don't want you to go out there and get a smack
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  in the face. You need to understand what
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  respect is about and that if you don't show other people respect
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  and you don't treat people with respect.
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  It's going to cause you some serious problems.
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  And it's not until this age right now that I'm starting to
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  begin. To see that in adult life.
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  I see other people that clearly were not raised properly
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  continually having problems because they don't understand.
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  The basic respect that because look not every human being is
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  raised the same way. Not, everyone is the same but
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  you can approach each person you meet with respect and learn to
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  kind of Then I had to put it exactly but adapt to them
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  somewhat, you know what I mean? Like, some people, you can be a
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  bit more chill with because they're more similar to
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  yourself. Some people a bit more reserved.
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  So you got respect that, like, it's all comes down to respect
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  and that was the thing. She tried to hammer home for me,
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  and that's why she was so strict and it worked.
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  And, you know, these days, I'll be sitting down going to thank
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  you. Thank you for how you did it.
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  You know, wasn't always. Right wasn't always 100%.
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  Tom. But for the most part, you got
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  it, right? And I think she would agree to
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  so yeah. Like you I sit down with my
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  daughter and I want her to come to me instead of like I did.
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  I try to hide it. I was like, you know, if you
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  can't go to your, she was little bit literal, but she still was
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  concerned and God knows, but there's certain stuff that I had
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  to learn on my own. And go to her with everything.
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  Otherwise it would be a you won't only be a lecture to be
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  disappointment, and then sometimes a backhand until I was
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  a teenager, you know, she stop hitting me.
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  She was like the one time she stopped hitting me was because I
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  looked at her, like, I'm older now.
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  I just had it look like, you can't hurt me.
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  She was like, it was time. I was like, that's when he
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  decided he was talking. Okay, but you know, but you know
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  it was the I couldn't. It's just something you just
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  Don't do like, you know but we have like we're open with our
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  kids and too much. We kind of overshare least you
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  know, you should hear the conversations we have.
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  I don't think it's over synonym when you're just trying to keep
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  them from. I don't know to me I'm always
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  like I don't want you to go down the same road with me.
• 1:13:38
  So if I have to tell you something, that you might not
• 1:13:41
  want to hear but you're you're going in that direction.
• 1:13:46
  I want to keep you from that. And I think that is part of the
• 1:13:50
  reason why our relationship is so good.
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  Because, like, like, Tasha said, I can trust, what, what they're
• 1:13:59
  going to do, I don't have to monitor their social media.
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  I don't have to monitor because, you know, right from wrong
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  because we've had those conversations Absolutely love
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  final quickfire. Questions for you, ladies.
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  I'm interested to see how you approach these, okay?
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  What's the best advice you've ever received?
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  You feel this one? I'm trying to remember.
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  I'm trying to channel my grandmother.
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  They gave me so much. My granny, our granny and my
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  mother gave me. Someone's wisdom over the years
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  just like trying to channel one. I forgot.
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  What do you got? Hmm.
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  Just give 100% give a hundred percent at everything you try.
• 1:14:57
  And be yourself pretty much. That was me actually I'm trying
• 1:15:02
  to remember, I you just got. I like there's like a flood
• 1:15:05
  coming. Our I was like wasn't listening.
• 1:15:27
  Life lesson, you've learned so far?
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  Time is not your friend. Time is not your friend, it one
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  point. I'll never forget in my 20s.
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  I was like, I have all the time in the world.
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  I'm 44. And I'm like, man.
• 1:15:47
  Time is becoming, its kind of slipping just a little bit, you
• 1:15:51
  know, that's what I'm learning now.
• 1:15:56
  That's deep. I hit me man.
• 1:15:59
  It's true. I'm starting to see that now.
• 1:16:02
  I turned 30 this year and I'm like shit man.
• 1:16:06
  I'm no longer I can no longer sort of say.
• 1:16:09
  I'm an ignorant young man anymore.
• 1:16:11
  It's like now I'm just a man. Now, that's it.
• 1:16:14
  Like, I've just gotta try and get it right more times that I
• 1:16:18
  get it wrong. So Kiana.
• 1:16:26
  Forgive myself for past, mistakes and move forward.
• 1:16:32
  Don't let what happened in the past.
• 1:16:37
  Kind of say who I am now, hmm, that's an important one because
• 1:16:45
  we're always changing as well. We're never the same person, ten
• 1:16:48
  years from now, five years from now.
• 1:16:49
  Whatever it's there's, sometimes we can torture ourselves with
• 1:16:53
  the past and we really shouldn't.
• 1:16:55
  Yeah. Because bit like think I can
• 1:16:57
  think of like, if something happens to me now, like
• 1:17:01
  something - I'll be like dang is that?
• 1:17:04
  Because that means that I slept with 20 years ago, like,
• 1:17:40
  And something really serious has happened and it's a serious
• 1:17:44
  moment but he said sometimes life is just shit
• 1:17:57
  things to a close ladies. Do you have any upcoming
• 1:18:00
  projects you Show or some final thoughts.
• 1:18:06
  As far as for my final thought, is that?
• 1:18:13
  We're coming out. We're this podcast is like we're
• 1:18:16
  the genetics were coming out. We're basically starting to tell
• 1:18:20
  the truth and we're coming out and we have a voice, we're not
• 1:18:23
  the silent generation anymore. We're this world, We're Not
• 1:18:27
  Gonna See back in, you know, be seen and not heard.
• 1:18:30
  Is that what we've been taught we're coming out and we got some
• 1:18:34
  advice for y'all. We really do hope you all
• 1:18:36
  hopefully you'll listen. If you don't know that's life.
• 1:18:41
  We're also going to have fun is we have a lot of serious topics,
• 1:18:46
  but like, we're going to have a lot of fun, discussing different
• 1:18:50
  things, and I think it'll be fun to watch and grow with us.
• 1:18:57
  Well, we look forward to hearing it and it's been an absolute
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  pleasure having you both on the show.
• 1:19:01
  Thank you so much. Thank thank you.
• 1:19:05
  And to the listeners of the Christian re podcast, as always
• 1:19:08
  be safe, be well, and to see in the next one.