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The Call of Music: Understanding Our Artistic Pursuits · Music Explored Podcast

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  Just
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  how
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  much
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  it's
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  meant
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  to
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  so
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  many
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  other
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  people,
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  for
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  sure,
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  you
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  know,
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  which
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  is,
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  like,
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  such
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  a
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  dream
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  come
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  true,
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  right?
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  And,
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  you
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  know,
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  as
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  creatives,
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  like,
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  listen,
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  I've
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  quit
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  music
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  a
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  hundred
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  times.
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  You
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  know
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  what
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  I
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  mean?
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  It's
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  nothing
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  new.
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  We're
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  like,
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  oh,
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  you're
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  gonna
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  quit
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  music?
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  I'm
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  like,
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  music
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  a
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  hundred
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  times.
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  My
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  lawyers,
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  like,
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  talked
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  me
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  off
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  the
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  ledge
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  so
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  many
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  times,
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  you
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  know,
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  and
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  he's
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  my
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  best
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  friend,
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  but,
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  you
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  know,
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  so
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  it's
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  nothing.
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  But
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  this
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  was
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  a
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  different
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  thing.
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  And
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  I
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  think
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  you're
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  so
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  right
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  when
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  you
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  talk
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  about,
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  like,
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  what
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  it
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  is.
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  I
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  think
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  that
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  what
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  is
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  trying
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  to.
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  You
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  know,
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  I
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  understand
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  the
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  music
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  chasing
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  you.
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  I
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  just
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  relate
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  to
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  that
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  so
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  much.
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  I
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  mean,
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  deeply,
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  too.
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  You
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  know,
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  I've
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  tried
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  to
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  move
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  away
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  from
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  Nashville
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  to
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  do
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  anything
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  other,
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  you
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  know,
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  like,
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  anything.
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  Like.
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  Like,
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  I'd
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  rather
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  pack
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  boxes,
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  you
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  know,
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  in
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  a
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  packing
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  plant,
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  you
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  know,
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  trying.
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  And.
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  And
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  you
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  know
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  what
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  it
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  was.
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  It
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  was
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  me
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  hiding.
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  Absolutely.
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  It
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  was
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  me.
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  It
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  was
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  me
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  trying
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  to.
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  To.
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  To
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  hide
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  and
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  call.
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  Yeah.
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  Escape
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  the
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  call.
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  Yeah.
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  And.
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  Yeah,
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  man.
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  So
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  I.
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  And
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  it's.
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  You
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  know,
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  it's
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  been.
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  There's,
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  like,
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  people
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  who
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  started
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  businesses,
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  you
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  know,
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  and
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  the
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  businesses
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  were
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  doing
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  really
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  good
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  before
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  the
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  pandemic.
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  And
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  all
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  of
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  a
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  sudden,
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  you
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  know,
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  this
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  happened,
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  and
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  I.
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  You
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  know,
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  I
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  got
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  this
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  one
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  story
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  from
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  this
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  husband
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  and
• 1:37
  wife.
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  They
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  were
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  about
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  to
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  close
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  down
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  their
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  business,
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  and
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  then
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  they
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  heard
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  this
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  story
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  that
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  Jimmy
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  told
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  five
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  times
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  on
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  national
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  TV
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  within
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  the
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  stretch
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  of
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  a
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  week,
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  and.
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  And
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  then
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  they
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  listened
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  to
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  the
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  song,
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  and
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  they
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  simultaneously
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  looked
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  at
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  each
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  other
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  and
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  were
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  like,
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  we're
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  not
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  closing.
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  And
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  I'm
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  like,
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  that's
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  it?
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  Yeah,
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  man.
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  That's
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  really.
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  That's
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  a
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  huge
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  inspiration
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  to
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  so
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  many
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  people
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  right
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  across
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  the
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  board.
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  ask
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  you
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  something
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  a
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  little
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  different.
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  If
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  you
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  could
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  just
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  take
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  us
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  back
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  a
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  bit.
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  You've
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  released
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  six
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  albums,
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  correct?
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  So,
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  I
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  mean,
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  I
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  don't
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  know
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  if
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  you
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  want
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  to
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  go
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  through
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  all
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  of
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  them,
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  but
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  can
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  you
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  talk
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  us
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  through
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  the
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  mindset
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  after
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  completing
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  a
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  couple
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  of
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  these
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  projects
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  at
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  different
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  points?
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  Because
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  I
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  know
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  right
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  now
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  we've
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  talked
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  about
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  your
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  recent
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  story,
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  but
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  I
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  also
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  understand
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  just
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  being
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  in
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  the
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  space
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  myself.
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  You
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  put
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  yourself
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  out
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  there
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  as
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  an
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  artist.
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  Right.
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  You
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  talked
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  about
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  the
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  conversation
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  that
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  you're
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  having
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  through
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  your
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  music
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  and
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  you're
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  sharing.
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  What
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  does
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  that
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  feel
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  like
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  on
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  the
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  other
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  side
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  of
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  completion
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  of
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  an
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  album
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  and
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  then
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  having
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  to
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  do
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  it
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  again,
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  like,
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  is
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  just
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  talk
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  us
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  through
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  kind
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  of
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  how
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  you
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  see
• 2:43
  it
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  and
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  how
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  you've
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  experienced
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  the
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  process.
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  Well,
• 2:46
  you
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  know,
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  I
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  Grew
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  up
• 2:48
  loving
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  everything.
• 2:49
  I
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  mean,
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  like,
• 2:50
  obsessed
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  with
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  music.
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  I
• 2:51
  was
• 2:51
  the
• 2:51
  kid
• 2:52
  that
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  listened
• 2:52
  to
• 2:52
  music
• 2:52
  underneath
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  the
• 2:53
  pillow
• 2:53
  all
• 2:53
  night.
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  My
• 2:54
  dad
• 2:54
  was
• 2:54
  a
• 2:54
  pastor.
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  There
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  was
• 2:55
  no
• 2:55
  secular
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  music
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  in
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  the
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  house.
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  Oh,
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  man,
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  we
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  can
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  relate.
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  Yeah,
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  it
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  was
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  that
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  whole
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  thing.
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  And
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  I
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  think
• 3:01
  there's
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  a
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  lot
• 3:02
  of
• 3:02
  people
• 3:02
  that
• 3:02
  can
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  relate.
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  Right?
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  And
• 3:04
  when
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  I
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  first
• 3:05
  started
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  playing
• 3:05
  music,
• 3:06
  you
• 3:07
  know,
• 3:07
  I
• 3:07
  grew
• 3:07
  up
• 3:07
  loving,
• 3:08
  like.
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  Like
• 3:10
  old
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  school
• 3:11
  country
• 3:11
  music.
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  Right.
• 3:12
  But
• 3:13
  here's
• 3:13
  what's
• 3:13
  interesting
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  about
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  old
• 3:14
  school
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  country
• 3:15
  music.
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  It
• 3:16
  is
• 3:16
  just
• 3:17
  one
• 3:17
  instrument
• 3:17
  away
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  from
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  old
• 3:18
  school
• 3:18
  soul.
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  Right?
• 3:20
  Yeah,
• 3:21
  you're
• 3:21
  right.
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  He's
• 3:22
  absolutely
• 3:22
  right.
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  I
• 3:23
  mean,
• 3:23
  like,
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  one
• 3:24
  instrument
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  away,
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  like
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  one
• 3:26
  band
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  member,
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  you
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  know,
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  included.
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  And
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  all
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  of
• 3:31
  a
• 3:31
  sudden
• 3:32
  it's
• 3:32
  Percy
• 3:32
  Sledge.
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  It's,
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  you
• 3:35
  know,
• 3:35
  it's.
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  I
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  mean,
• 3:37
  even.
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  Oh,
• 3:38
  my
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  God,
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  like,
• 3:39
  even,
• 3:39
  like
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  a
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  lot
• 3:40
  of,
• 3:41
  like,
• 3:42
  Sam
• 3:42
  Cooke
• 3:43
  that,
• 3:44
  you
• 3:44
  know,
• 3:44
  change
• 3:45
  is
• 3:45
  gonna
• 3:45
  come.
• 3:46
  I
• 3:46
  mean,
• 3:46
  that's.
• 3:47
  It's
• 3:47
  not
• 3:47
  far
• 3:48
  from
• 3:48
  like,
• 3:48
  what
• 3:48
  was
• 3:49
  going
• 3:49
  on
• 3:50
  in
• 3:50
  country
• 3:50
  music.
• 3:51
  Right.
• 3:51
  So
• 3:51
  even
• 3:52
  as
• 3:52
  a
• 3:52
  young
• 3:52
  kid,
• 3:53
  I
• 3:53
  was
• 3:53
  like,
• 3:53
  I
• 3:53
  don't
• 3:53
  see
• 3:53
  much
• 3:54
  difference
• 3:55
  here.
• 3:56
  And
• 3:57
  what
• 3:57
  happened
• 3:57
  is,
• 3:58
  you
• 3:58
  know,
• 3:59
  I
• 3:59
  was
• 3:59
  making
• 3:59
  music
• 4:00
  and
• 4:00
  all
• 4:01
  of
• 4:01
  these
• 4:01
  albums,
• 4:02
  I
• 4:02
  kept
• 4:02
  just
• 4:02
  like,
• 4:03
  bringing
• 4:03
  in
• 4:03
  more
• 4:03
  and
• 4:04
  more
• 4:04
  of
• 4:04
  what.
• 4:05
  Of
• 4:05
  all
• 4:05
  the
• 4:05
  music
• 4:05
  that
• 4:06
  I
• 4:06
  loved.
• 4:06
  Right,
• 4:06
  right.
• 4:07
  And
• 4:07
  so,
• 4:08
  you
• 4:08
  know,
• 4:08
  I.
• 4:10
  I
• 4:10
  started
• 4:10
  incorporating
• 4:11
  more
• 4:11
  like
• 4:11
  pop
• 4:12
  melodies.
• 4:12
  And
• 4:12
  then,
• 4:13
  you
• 4:13
  know,
• 4:13
  I
• 4:13
  started
• 4:14
  incorporating,
• 4:15
  like,
• 4:16
  other,
• 4:16
  you
• 4:17
  know,
• 4:18
  ideas.
• 4:19
  I.
• 4:19
  You
• 4:19
  know,
• 4:20
  To
• 4:21
  Be
• 4:21
  Loved
• 4:21
  was
• 4:21
  me
• 4:22
  making
• 4:22
  more
• 4:22
  of,
• 4:22
  like,
• 4:23
  a
• 4:23
  gospel
• 4:24
  album
• 4:24
  from
• 4:25
  my
• 4:25
  atheist
• 4:26
  friends.
• 4:26
  But
• 4:26
  it's
• 4:27
  not
• 4:27
  a
• 4:27
  gospel
• 4:27
  album.
• 4:28
  I
• 4:28
  mean,
• 4:28
  it's
• 4:28
  not.
• 4:29
  It's
• 4:29
  not
• 4:29
  a
• 4:29
  Christian
• 4:30
  record.
• 4:30
  Right.
• 4:32
  It's
• 4:32
  not
• 4:33
  that.
• 4:35
  What
• 4:35
  I
• 4:35
  mean
• 4:35
  is,
• 4:36
  like,
• 4:36
  sometimes
• 4:37
  a
• 4:37
  lot
• 4:37
  of
• 4:37
  the
• 4:37
  songs
• 4:38
  are
• 4:38
  like,
• 4:38
  they're
• 4:38
  God
• 4:39
  songs,
• 4:39
  but
• 4:39
  only
• 4:39
  using
• 4:40
  human
• 4:40
  language.
• 4:42
  Okay.
• 4:42
  Meaning
• 4:43
  that
• 4:43
  a
• 4:43
  lot
• 4:43
  of
• 4:43
  times
• 4:43
  when
• 4:43
  people,
• 4:44
  like,
• 4:45
  make,
• 4:45
  like,
• 4:48
  Christian
• 4:49
  music,
• 4:49
  it's
• 4:50
  an
• 4:50
  insider
• 4:50
  language.
• 4:51
  You
• 4:52
  have
• 4:52
  to.
• 4:52
  You
• 4:52
  have
• 4:52
  to
• 4:52
  decode
• 4:53
  it.
• 4:53
  Like,
• 4:53
  if
• 4:54
  you
• 4:54
  didn't
• 4:54
  know.
• 4:54
  If
• 4:55
  you
• 4:55
  didn't
• 4:55
  know
• 4:55
  the
• 4:55
  language,
• 4:56
  you'd
• 4:56
  be
• 4:56
  like,
• 4:56
  what
• 4:57
  the
• 4:57
  hell
• 4:57
  are
• 4:57
  they
• 4:57
  talking
• 4:57
  about?
• 4:58
  Lamb
• 4:58
  of
• 4:58
  God.
• 4:59
  Yeah,
• 4:59
  Lamb
• 4:59
  of
• 4:59
  God
• 5:00
  on
• 5:00
  the
• 5:00
  outside.
• 5:01
  Here,
• 5:01
  clearly,
• 5:01
  I
• 5:02
  don't
• 5:02
  know.
• 5:02
  And
• 5:03
  to
• 5:03
  me,
• 5:04
  I'm
• 5:04
  not
• 5:04
  down
• 5:04
  with
• 5:04
  that.
• 5:05
  Right.
• 5:06
  I
• 5:07
  think
• 5:07
  when
• 5:07
  we
• 5:07
  start
• 5:07
  using
• 5:08
  language
• 5:08
  like
• 5:09
  that,
• 5:09
  we're
• 5:10
  using
• 5:11
  it
• 5:11
  as
• 5:11
  a
• 5:11
  way
• 5:12
  to
• 5:12
  keep
• 5:12
  people
• 5:12
  out.
• 5:13
  Fair
• 5:13
  enough.
• 5:14
  Yeah.
• 5:14
  Interesting
• 5:15
  perspective
• 5:15
  there.
• 5:16
  And
• 5:17
  so
• 5:17
  what
• 5:17
  I
• 5:17
  started
• 5:18
  doing
• 5:18
  with
• 5:19
  Leagues
• 5:20
  is
• 5:21
  I
• 5:21
  wanted
• 5:21
  to
• 5:22
  make,
• 5:22
  to
• 5:22
  me
• 5:23
  great
• 5:23
  music
• 5:24
  and
• 5:24
  great
• 5:24
  art,
• 5:24
  get
• 5:25
  people
• 5:25
  in
• 5:25
  the
• 5:25
  same
• 5:26
  room
• 5:26
  that
• 5:26
  you
• 5:26
  wouldn't
• 5:26
  think,
• 5:27
  would,
• 5:27
  should,
• 5:27
  or
• 5:27
  could.
• 5:28
  And
• 5:28
  so
• 5:30
  I
• 5:30
  wanted
• 5:31
  to
• 5:31
  start
• 5:31
  making
• 5:32
  music.
• 5:32
  When
• 5:32
  I
• 5:33
  looked
• 5:33
  out
• 5:33
  playing
• 5:34
  that,
• 5:35
  it
• 5:35
  was
• 5:35
  a
• 5:35
  lot
• 5:36
  more
• 5:36
  diverse
• 5:36
  looking
• 5:37
  than
• 5:38
  the
• 5:38
  music
• 5:38
  that
• 5:39
  I
• 5:39
  was
• 5:39
  writing.
• 5:41
  Because
• 5:41
  I
• 5:41
  believe.
• 5:41
  You
• 5:42
  know,
• 5:42
  like,
• 5:42
  once
• 5:42
  again,
• 5:43
  like,
• 5:43
  if
• 5:43
  you
• 5:43
  think
• 5:43
  about,
• 5:43
  like,
• 5:44
  music
• 5:44
  is
• 5:44
  the
• 5:44
  thing
• 5:44
  that
• 5:45
  connects
• 5:45
  all
• 5:45
  of
• 5:45
  us,
• 5:46
  then
• 5:46
  am
• 5:46
  I
• 5:47
  making
• 5:47
  music?
• 5:48
  Am
• 5:48
  I
• 5:48
  dreaming
• 5:49
  big
• 5:49
  enough?
• 5:49
  Am
• 5:50
  I
• 5:50
  thinking
• 5:50
  big
• 5:50
  enough?
• 5:51
  Am
• 5:52
  I
• 5:52
  getting
• 5:52
  outside
• 5:52
  of
• 5:53
  me
• 5:54
  in
• 5:54
  order
• 5:54
  for
• 5:54
  something
• 5:54
  really
• 5:55
  special
• 5:55
  to
• 5:55
  happen
• 5:56
  so
• 5:56
  that
• 5:56
  when
• 5:57
  it
• 5:57
  does,
• 5:58
  I
• 5:58
  can
• 5:58
  look
• 5:58
  out
• 5:59
  there
• 5:59
  and
• 5:59
  be
• 5:59
  like,
• 5:59
  oh,
• 5:59
  yeah,
• 6:00
  this
• 6:00
  isn't
• 6:00
  a
• 6:01
  reflection
• 6:01
  of
• 6:01
  me.
• 6:01
  This
• 6:02
  is
• 6:02
  reflection
• 6:03
  of
• 6:03
  us.
• 6:04
  God,
• 6:04
  you
• 6:04
  know,
• 6:04
  there's
• 6:05
  a.
• 6:05
  Like,
• 6:05
  there's
• 6:05
  a
• 6:06
  bunch
• 6:06
  of
• 6:06
  bigger
• 6:06
  things
• 6:07
  going
• 6:07
  on.
• 6:07
  And
• 6:08
  so
• 6:08
  when
• 6:08
  I
• 6:08
  made
• 6:09
  this
• 6:09
  album,
• 6:11
  if.
• 6:11
  In
• 6:11
  case
• 6:11
  you
• 6:11
  feel
• 6:11
  the
• 6:12
  same,
• 6:12
  I
• 6:12
  wanted
• 6:13
  to
• 6:13
  make
• 6:13
  a
• 6:13
  record
• 6:13
  with
• 6:13
  people
• 6:14
  that
• 6:14
  didn't
• 6:14
  look,
• 6:14
  think,
• 6:15
  and
• 6:15
  believe,
• 6:15
  like,
• 6:15
  me.
• 6:16
  And,
• 6:16
  you
• 6:16
  know,
• 6:17
  like,
• 6:17
  Dave
• 6:18
  is.
• 6:18
  Is
• 6:18
  the
• 6:18
  main
• 6:19
  drummer
• 6:19
  on
• 6:19
  this
• 6:19
  stuff.
• 6:20
  And
• 6:21
  Chris.
• 6:21
  Dave
• 6:21
  is
• 6:22
  the
• 6:22
  only
• 6:22
  person
• 6:22
  that
• 6:24
  Funny
• 6:24
  Enough
• 6:25
  Quest
• 6:25
  Love's
• 6:26
  ever
• 6:26
  hired
• 6:26
  to
• 6:26
  play
• 6:26
  on
• 6:27
  the
• 6:27
  d'
• 6:27
  Angelo
• 6:28
  Records,
• 6:28
  right?
• 6:29
  But
• 6:29
  Chris
• 6:30
  is
• 6:30
  a
• 6:30
  black
• 6:31
  dude
• 6:31
  from
• 6:31
  the.
• 6:31
  From
• 6:32
  the
• 6:32
  south
• 6:32
  side
• 6:32
  of
• 6:33
  Houston.
• 6:35
  And,
• 6:35
  you
• 6:36
  know,
• 6:36
  like,
• 6:37
  Brittany
• 6:37
  Howard
• 6:38
  from
• 6:38
  the
• 6:38
  Alabama
• 6:39
  Shakes
• 6:39
  is
• 6:39
  singing
• 6:39
  on
• 6:40
  one
• 6:40
  of
• 6:40
  the
• 6:40
  songs,
• 6:40
  Higher.
• 6:41
  Nice.
• 6:42
  And.
• 6:43
  And
• 6:44
  when
• 6:44
  you
• 6:44
  hear
• 6:46
  Chris
• 6:46
  played
• 6:48
  the
• 6:48
  drums
• 6:49
  on
• 6:49
  this
• 6:49
  track
• 6:50
  before
• 6:50
  the
• 6:51
  chorus
• 6:51
  starts,
• 6:52
  he
• 6:52
  does
• 6:52
  this
• 6:52
  crazy,
• 6:54
  crazy
• 6:54
  drum
• 6:55
  fill.
• 6:56
  And
• 6:57
  whether
• 6:57
  he
• 6:57
  knows
• 6:57
  it
• 6:58
  or
• 6:58
  not,
• 6:59
  that's
• 6:59
  him.
• 6:59
  That's
• 7:00
  a
• 7:00
  poor
• 7:00
  kid
• 7:00
  on
• 7:01
  the
• 7:01
  south
• 7:01
  side
• 7:02
  of
• 7:03
  Houston
• 7:04
  saying,
• 7:04
  listen
• 7:05
  to
• 7:05
  me.
• 7:06
  That's
• 7:07
  big.
• 7:07
  Yeah,
• 7:08
  listen
• 7:08
  to
• 7:09
  me.
• 7:09
  I've
• 7:09
  got
• 7:10
  something
• 7:10
  I've
• 7:11
  got
• 7:11
  to
• 7:11
  tell
• 7:11
  you.
• 7:13
  And
• 7:13
  that
• 7:13
  shows
• 7:14
  up
• 7:14
  in
• 7:14
  my.
• 7:14
  In
• 7:14
  the
• 7:15
  song
• 7:15
  that
• 7:15
  I
• 7:15
  wrote,
• 7:16
  you
• 7:16
  know?
• 7:16
  And
• 7:18
  so
• 7:18
  it's
• 7:18
  like,
• 7:18
  you
• 7:19
  know,
• 7:19
  there's
• 7:19
  like,
• 7:20
  gospel
• 7:20
  music,
• 7:21
  like,
• 7:22
  on
• 7:22
  this
• 7:22
  stuff.
• 7:23
  There's,
• 7:23
  like,
• 7:23
  a
• 7:24
  song
• 7:24
  on
• 7:24
  the
• 7:24
  album.
• 7:25
  Next
• 7:25
  thing
• 7:26
  you
• 7:26
  know,
• 7:26
  it's
• 7:26
  a
• 7:26
  song
• 7:27
  that
• 7:27
  I
• 7:27
  had,
• 7:28
  like,
• 7:28
  an
• 7:28
  idea
• 7:29
  that
• 7:29
  I
• 7:29
  had
• 7:29
  in
• 7:29
  my
• 7:30
  mind
• 7:31
  if,
• 7:31
  like,
• 7:32
  I
• 7:32
  ever
• 7:32
  got
• 7:32
  in
• 7:32
  the
• 7:33
  same
• 7:33
  room
• 7:33
  with,
• 7:34
  like,
• 7:35
  Beyonce,
• 7:36
  you
• 7:36
  know,
• 7:36
  to
• 7:36
  write,
• 7:37
  right.
• 7:39
  If
• 7:39
  we're
• 7:39
  going
• 7:39
  to
• 7:39
  dream,
• 7:40
  let's
• 7:40
  go
• 7:40
  ahead
• 7:40
  and
• 7:41
  dream,
• 7:41
  you
• 7:41
  know?
• 7:42
  And
• 7:43
  I
• 7:43
  remember
• 7:43
  thinking,
• 7:44
  you
• 7:44
  know,
• 7:45
  this
• 7:45
  idea
• 7:46
  came
• 7:46
  to
• 7:46
  me.
• 7:47
  You
• 7:47
  didn't
• 7:47
  break
• 7:48
  my
• 7:48
  heart,
• 7:48
  you
• 7:48
  broke
• 7:49
  yours.
• 7:49
  And
• 7:49
  I
• 7:49
  was
• 7:49
  like,
• 7:49
  oh,
• 7:50
  that
• 7:50
  sounds
• 7:50
  like
• 7:50
  such,
• 7:50
  like,
• 7:51
  Diana
• 7:51
  Ross
• 7:51
  in
• 7:52
  the
• 7:52
  Supremes
• 7:53
  kind
• 7:53
  of,
• 7:53
  like,
• 7:55
  thing,
• 7:55
  you
• 7:56
  know?
• 7:57
  And
• 7:57
  I
• 7:57
  was
• 7:57
  like,
• 7:57
  if
• 7:57
  I
• 7:58
  ever.
• 7:58
  And
• 7:58
  I
• 7:59
  had
• 7:59
  saved
• 7:59
  it
• 7:59
  for,
• 8:00
  like,
• 8:00
  three
• 8:00
  years.
• 8:01
  Wow.
• 8:01
  Or
• 8:02
  Beyonce.
• 8:02
  Yeah,
• 8:03
  yeah,
• 8:03
  yeah,
• 8:03
  yeah,
• 8:04
  yeah.
• 8:04
  You
• 8:04
  know,
• 8:06
  it
• 8:06
  didn't.
• 8:07
  You
• 8:07
  know,
• 8:07
  obviously
• 8:08
  it
• 8:08
  didn't
• 8:08
  happen.
• 8:08
  So
• 8:09
  I
• 8:09
  was
• 8:09
  like,
• 8:09
  well,
• 8:10
  you
• 8:10
  know,
• 8:10
  I'll
• 8:10
  just
• 8:11
  finish
• 8:12
  writing
• 8:12
  it.
• 8:12
  But
• 8:13
  it's.
• 8:13
  If
• 8:13
  you
• 8:14
  listen
• 8:14
  to
• 8:14
  it,
• 8:15
  it's
• 8:15
  like
• 8:15
  an
• 8:16
  R
• 8:16
  and
• 8:16
  B
• 8:16
  song.
• 8:17
  There's
• 8:17
  like,
• 8:19
  you
• 8:19
  know,
• 8:21
  the
• 8:21
  song
• 8:22
  next
• 8:22
  or
• 8:23
  Love
• 8:23
  Moves
• 8:24
  in.
• 8:24
  You
• 8:24
  know,
• 8:25
  I
• 8:25
  don't
• 8:25
  write
• 8:25
  that
• 8:26
  without
• 8:26
  obsessing
• 8:27
  over
• 8:28
  Marvin
• 8:28
  Gaye's
• 8:28
  what's
• 8:29
  going
• 8:29
  on
• 8:29
  in
• 8:29
  Sade.
• 8:31
  You
• 8:31
  know,
• 8:31
  like,
• 8:32
  I
• 8:32
  do.
• 8:32
  I
• 8:32
  can
• 8:33
  see
• 8:33
  a
• 8:33
  complete
• 8:34
  line
• 8:34
  to
• 8:34
  that
• 8:34
  stuff.
• 8:35
  But
• 8:35
  there's
• 8:36
  also
• 8:36
  songs
• 8:36
  where
• 8:37
  I'm
• 8:37
  like
• 8:38
  that.
• 8:38
  That
• 8:39
  doesn't
• 8:39
  get
• 8:39
  written
• 8:40
  without
• 8:40
  my
• 8:41
  love
• 8:41
  and
• 8:41
  obsession
• 8:42
  of
• 8:43
  Bruce
• 8:43
  Springsteen.
• 8:45
  Right.
• 8:45
  Yeah.
• 8:46
  The
• 8:46
  influence,
• 8:46
  you
• 8:46
  know,
• 8:47
  like,
• 8:47
  Slow
• 8:47
  and
• 8:48
  Steady
• 8:48
  is.
• 8:48
  Is
• 8:49
  that.
• 8:49
  Is
• 8:50
  that
• 8:50
  is
• 8:51
  me
• 8:51
  loving
• 8:51
  Bruce
• 8:52
  Springsteen
• 8:52
  and
• 8:53
  Bob
• 8:53
  Seger
• 8:54
  and
• 8:54
  Journey.
• 8:55
  Yeah,
• 8:56
  right.
• 8:58
  Yeah.
• 8:59
  You
• 8:59
  have
• 9:00
  such
• 9:00
  a.
• 9:01
  I
• 9:01
  mean,
• 9:02
  broad
• 9:02
  collection
• 9:03
  of
• 9:04
  inspiration,
• 9:05
  different
• 9:06
  types
• 9:06
  of
• 9:06
  music
• 9:06
  that
• 9:07
  you
• 9:07
  draw
• 9:07
  from,
• 9:07
  all
• 9:07
  the
• 9:07
  genres.
• 9:09
  I
• 9:09
  bet
• 9:09
  you
• 9:09
  do,
• 9:09
  too,
• 9:10
  though.
• 9:10
  Oh,
• 9:11
  definitely.
• 9:11
  Yeah.
• 9:12
  We
• 9:12
  all
• 9:12
  do.
• 9:12
  Right.
• 9:13
  It's
• 9:13
  powerful
• 9:13
  when
• 9:14
  it
• 9:14
  comes
• 9:14
  out
• 9:14
  as
• 9:15
  your
• 9:15
  own
• 9:15
  music.
• 9:16
  It's
• 9:16
  not
• 9:17
  their
• 9:17
  voice.
• 9:17
  It's
• 9:18
  your
• 9:18
  own
• 9:18
  voice,
• 9:18
  your
• 9:18
  own
• 9:19
  words,
• 9:19
  but
• 9:19
  the
• 9:19
  influences
• 9:20
  that
• 9:20
  kind
• 9:21
  of
• 9:21
  take
• 9:21
  you
• 9:22
  on
• 9:22
  your
• 9:22
  journey
• 9:22
  and.
• 9:23
  Yeah,
• 9:24
  I
• 9:24
  love
• 9:24
  that.
• 9:24
  I
• 9:25
  love
• 9:25
  that.
• 9:26
  You
• 9:27
  mentioned.
• 9:27
  I
• 9:27
  actually
• 9:27
  had
• 9:27
  a.
• 9:28
  Oh,
• 9:28
  sorry.
• 9:28
  I
• 9:28
  had
• 9:28
  a
• 9:29
  question
• 9:29
  just
• 9:30
  before
• 9:30
  I
• 9:30
  forget.
• 9:31
  Sorry.
• 9:32
  But
• 9:32
  when
• 9:32
  you
• 9:32
  were
• 9:32
  talking
• 9:33
  earlier
• 9:33
  about
• 9:34
  just,
• 9:34
  you
• 9:34
  know,
• 9:35
  ultimately
• 9:35
  deciding
• 9:37
  that
• 9:37
  you
• 9:37
  were
• 9:37
  gonna
• 9:38
  leave
• 9:38
  music
• 9:38
  and
• 9:39
  you
• 9:39
  had
• 9:39
  quit
• 9:39
  a
• 9:39
  hundred
• 9:40
  times,
• 9:40
  just
• 9:41
  like
• 9:41
  I
• 9:41
  know
• 9:41
  everyone
• 9:42
  else
• 9:42
  has,
• 9:43
  what
• 9:43
  kept
• 9:43
  you
• 9:44
  going?
• 9:44
  Because
• 9:45
  I
• 9:45
  don't
• 9:45
  know
• 9:45
  what
• 9:46
  it
• 9:46
  is.
• 9:46
  I
• 9:46
  don't
• 9:46
  have
• 9:46
  an
• 9:46
  answer
• 9:47
  to
• 9:47
  why
• 9:47
  I
• 9:47
  even
• 9:48
  bothered
• 9:49
  continuing
• 9:49
  with
• 9:49
  music.
• 9:50
  But
• 9:50
  what.
• 9:50
  What
• 9:51
  was
• 9:51
  it
• 9:51
  that
• 9:51
  helped
• 9:51
  you
• 9:52
  or
• 9:52
  made
• 9:52
  you
• 9:53
  want
• 9:53
  to
• 9:53
  just
• 9:53
  not
• 9:54
  actually
• 9:54
  quit
• 9:54
  and
• 9:55
  stick
• 9:55
  around
• 9:55
  with
• 9:56
  music
• 9:56
  for
• 9:56
  a
• 9:56
  little
• 9:56
  bit
• 9:56
  longer
• 9:57
  to
• 9:57
  the
• 9:57
  point
• 9:58
  where,
• 9:58
  you
• 9:58
  know,
• 9:58
  you
• 9:59
  had
• 9:59
  this
• 9:59
  incredible
• 10:00
  opportunity
• 10:01
  with
• 10:01
  Jimmy
• 10:01
  Fallon.
• 10:02
  I
• 10:03
  know.
• 10:03
  I
• 10:03
  mean,
• 10:03
  I
• 10:04
  know
• 10:04
  exactly
• 10:04
  how
• 10:05
  it's.
• 10:05
  I'm
• 10:05
  surrounded
• 10:06
  by
• 10:07
  the
• 10:08
  most
• 10:08
  incredible
• 10:08
  friends.
• 10:09
  I
• 10:09
  mean,
• 10:10
  I.
• 10:11
  I
• 10:11
  have
• 10:11
  people
• 10:12
  that,
• 10:12
  you
• 10:13
  know.
• 10:13
  And
• 10:13
  here's.
• 10:13
  Here's
• 10:13
  what's
• 10:14
  really
• 10:14
  difficult
• 10:15
  is
• 10:15
  this
• 10:15
  is
• 10:15
  what,
• 10:15
  like,
• 10:16
  people
• 10:16
  don't
• 10:16
  want
• 10:16
  to
• 10:16
  talk
• 10:17
  about.
• 10:17
  It's
• 10:17
  like,
• 10:17
  it
• 10:17
  takes
• 10:18
  money
• 10:18
  to
• 10:18
  be
• 10:18
  able
• 10:19
  to
• 10:19
  do
• 10:19
  this.
• 10:19
  Right?
• 10:20
  Yeah,
• 10:20
  please
• 10:20
  talk
• 10:21
  about
• 10:21
  that.
• 10:21
  Yeah,
• 10:22
  yeah,
• 10:22
  let's
• 10:22
  talk
• 10:23
  about
• 10:23
  that.
• 10:23
  Right?
• 10:23
  This
• 10:23
  is
• 10:23
  a
• 10:24
  conversation
• 10:24
  that
• 10:24
  nobody's
• 10:25
  had.
• 10:25
  Right.
• 10:26
  And.
• 10:26
  And
• 10:27
  so
• 10:27
  people
• 10:27
  are
• 10:27
  like,
• 10:28
  hey,
• 10:28
  man,
• 10:28
  I
• 10:28
  love
• 10:28
  the
• 10:29
  music
• 10:29
  that
• 10:29
  you
• 10:29
  make.
• 10:30
  And,
• 10:30
  you
• 10:31
  know,
• 10:31
  thankfully,
• 10:32
  well,
• 10:32
  not
• 10:32
  really.
• 10:33
  I.
• 10:33
  What
• 10:33
  I
• 10:33
  had
• 10:34
  to
• 10:34
  do
• 10:35
  is
• 10:35
  I
• 10:35
  had
• 10:35
  to
• 10:35
  humble
• 10:36
  myself
• 10:37
  and
• 10:37
  tell
• 10:37
  my
• 10:37
  friends
• 10:38
  that
• 10:38
  had
• 10:39
  means.
• 10:40
  I
• 10:40
  said,
• 10:40
  hey,
• 10:41
  I
• 10:41
  need
• 10:42
  help.
• 10:42
  Right.
• 10:44
  And
• 10:45
  you're
• 10:45
  not
• 10:45
  the
• 10:45
  only
• 10:45
  musician
• 10:46
  that's
• 10:46
  probably
• 10:46
  had
• 10:46
  to
• 10:47
  do
• 10:47
  that
• 10:47
  over
• 10:47
  the
• 10:48
  course
• 10:48
  of
• 10:48
  their
• 10:48
  career.
• 10:49
  Yeah,
• 10:49
  yeah.
• 10:49
  Right.
• 10:50
  You
• 10:50
  know,
• 10:51
  and
• 10:51
  for
• 10:51
  me,
• 10:52
  I'm
• 10:52
  like,
• 10:52
  no,
• 10:53
  I
• 10:54
  don't.
• 10:54
  I
• 10:54
  don't
• 10:54
  ask
• 10:55
  for
• 10:55
  help.
• 10:55
  I
• 10:55
  give
• 10:55
  help.
• 10:57
  But
• 10:57
  that's
• 10:57
  ego,
• 10:58
  right?
• 10:58
  100%
• 10:59
  depends
• 11:00
  on.