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Nancy Grace Episode Entered as Evidence in Crystal Rogers Boyfriend Murder Trial · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Crystal Rogers, a beautiful young mom,
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Speaker 1: seemingly disappears into thin air, last seen at the home
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Speaker 1: of her boyfriend, where he says she was sitting in
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Speaker 1: bed beside him, playing on her cell phone and then
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Speaker 1: what just vanished? Like Bewitched or I Dream of Jeannie?
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Speaker 1: How did that work? Well? It didn't in the last days,
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Speaker 1: A bizarre twist in the case. I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. The
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Speaker 1: latest filing in the case of men now charged in
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Speaker 1: Crystal Rogers's death is all about an episode of Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace filmed the week after Crystal disappeared in Bardstown. The
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Speaker 1: episode of NG on hl N was entered by prosecutors.
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Speaker 1: They have not revealed the episode's significance in the case,
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Speaker 1: but I have reason to believe it is. When her boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: Brooks Hawk, agreed to be interviewed by NG Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: on h l N. As I recall it, I ask
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Speaker 1: him why he never reported Rogers missing when he realized
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Speaker 1: she was gone, and he answered he wasn't alarmed in
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Speaker 1: any quote, way, shape or form, that it was not
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Speaker 1: uncommon for her to go to her cousin's house when
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Speaker 1: there were issues in their relationship. But during the episode,
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Speaker 1: Crystal's father, Tommy Ballard tells me he knew of only
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Speaker 1: one time Crystal had gone to her cousins. I recall
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Speaker 1: also asking Brooks how about people who claimed he the
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Speaker 1: boyfriend was not involved in the search for Crystal Rogers,
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Speaker 1: and he responded, all my efforts and searching for her
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Speaker 1: have been done behind the scene with Nelson County Sheriff's right. Okay,
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Speaker 1: just remember family says he never helped look for Crystal,
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Speaker 1: and they were suspicious of his story from the beginning,
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Speaker 1: and it was Roger's own mother that reported her missing,
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Speaker 1: not him. Okay, why is this particular episode of n
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Speaker 1: G going to be a state's exhibit? But to understand that,
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Speaker 1: you've got to understand how Crystal went missing.
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Speaker 2: Nelson County Detective John Snow sits down with Crystal's boyfriend,
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Speaker 2: Brooks Hawke. The conversation lasts for about ninety minutes. Brooks
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Speaker 2: tells Detective Snow just what he told Cristel's mom, Sherry Ballard,
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Speaker 2: and Crystal brought his family's farm feeding the cows.
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Speaker 3: You will feed the cows and then you come back
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Speaker 3: out and you walk the road right.
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Speaker 4: The road he goes in.
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Speaker 5: After we'd come back, we'd come back out for walking
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Speaker 5: through here.
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Speaker 2: Brooks draws a makeshift map for the detective and shows
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Speaker 2: where he says he and Crystal were on Friday, July third,
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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 5: That's you the driveway, the other drum wathers the ball
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Speaker 5: line right, and then when we walk out the road
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Speaker 5: and we just walk back through there.
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Speaker 2: Wearing a blue polo shirt and jeans, Brooks sits casually,
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Speaker 2: arm up on the table. He maintains his composure and
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Speaker 2: appears unfazed by the detective's questions about the last time
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Speaker 2: he saw Crystal on his mom's farm.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing just a tiny portion of a fantastic podcast.
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Speaker 1: I'm totally hooked on it. Bard's Town be is in
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Speaker 1: brother ar Dstown, bard like Shakespeare, the Bard bard Town Podcast,
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Speaker 1: and this is what it is about. It's all about
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Speaker 1: the mysterious deaths that take place in a very small
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Speaker 1: Kentucky town considered the Bourbon capital of the world, Bardstown, Kentucky.
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Speaker 1: It's like so many small communities across our country, much
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Speaker 1: like the one I grew up in, except people are
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Speaker 1: dropping like flies in Bardstown. With me right now, investigative journalist,
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Speaker 1: podcast producer with A Vault Studios. Jessica Nol with me
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Speaker 1: her partner, investigative reporter with Whas n Louisville. They are
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Speaker 1: responsible for Bardstown Podcast. You can find it at www
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Speaker 1: dot bardstownpodcast dot com. To you, Jessica, tell me about
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Speaker 1: Crystal Rogers? Who is she? Who was she?
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Speaker 6: Well?
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Speaker 7: Crystal Rogers is a thirty five year old mother of five.
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Speaker 7: She had lived and grown up in Bartstown her whole life,
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Speaker 7: and she was dating a man by the name of Brooks.
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Speaker 7: How they had a child together, and she seemingly vanished
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Speaker 7: July third, twenty fifteen, and her car was found on
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Speaker 7: the popular roadway through Kentucky Bluegrass Parkway a couple of
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Speaker 7: days later, and her purse, her cell phone, everything that
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Speaker 7: a woman would keep with her was found in her car,
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Speaker 7: her unlocked car, and she's not been seen since.
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Speaker 1: You know, to Shane McCallister, investigative reporter Whas Louisville chan,
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Speaker 1: you guys are rolling her in to the Bardstown murders.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about the other murders.
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Speaker 2: Sure, so all of these cases date back to twenty thirteen,
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Speaker 2: that's when Bargstown police officer Jason Ellis was ambushed on
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Speaker 2: his way home from work. It was the middle of
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Speaker 2: the night and as he was pulling off the highway
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Speaker 2: onto his exit, there was branches laying in the middle
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Speaker 2: of the road and at least one person hiding, who
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Speaker 2: then shot and killed him when he got out to
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Speaker 2: move the branches. That was the first case. Just over
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Speaker 2: a year later, Samantha and Kathie Netherland, a mother and daughter,
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Speaker 2: were in their home when they were attacked and brutally murdered.
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Speaker 2: And this is a special education teacher at Bargstown Elementary
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Speaker 2: School and a high schooler, a teenage student. They were
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Speaker 2: very beloved in the community. And that one happened next.
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Speaker 1: And then.
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Speaker 2: Sixteen months later, Crystal Rogers goes missing.
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Speaker 1: And as of right now, we don't know what has
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Speaker 1: become of Crystal Rogers. If she's dead, we don't know
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Speaker 1: her mode of death or cause of deay. Jessica, weren't
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Speaker 1: you just at the bourbon festival, right? So we went back.
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Speaker 7: Spencer Brudig and I, one of our producers, went back
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Speaker 7: to Bartstown for the Kentucky Bourbon Festival, which is a
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Speaker 7: huge deal in Bardstown. Thousands of people come in from
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Speaker 7: all over to sample bourbon from several distilleries that are
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Speaker 7: actually based right there in Bartstown. It's probably the biggest
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Speaker 7: event of the year every year there. So we wanted
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Speaker 7: to go back because there has been some issues with
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Speaker 7: signs that were in yards for the prayers for Crystal
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Speaker 7: and standing with the Ballards. They were being taken down,
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Speaker 7: and so we wanted to go back and see what
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Speaker 7: was going on and what people were saying. And what
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Speaker 7: we saw was an incredible outcry of community support.
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Speaker 1: Now wait a minute, a minute, I want to talk.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to gloss over what you just said.
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Speaker 1: Signs across bard Town have been removed, and the signs
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Speaker 1: specifically were showing support for Crystal Rogers who goes missing.
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Speaker 1: Incredible pain for Crystal's mother, Sherry Ballard, her daughter Crystal
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Speaker 1: went missing, and then her own husband was mysteriously killed
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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. Now a brand new heartache, very very
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Speaker 1: disturbing because these signs all across the county were taken down.
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Speaker 1: Now Balard blames Bardstown, the city, which says it has
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Speaker 1: to follow city policy. All temporary signs in right of
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Speaker 1: ways have to be removed. Now, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: that had anything to do with it, but I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at a giant pink placard, a sign that says Prayers
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Speaker 1: for Crystal. Now, why would anybody want to take that down?
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Speaker 1: And it's not in a right of way, it's off
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Speaker 1: I would say, a good fifteen to thirty feet off
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Speaker 1: the highway. So what happened to the Prayers for Crystal signs, Jessica.
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Speaker 7: Well, the city and the county deny taking them down,
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Speaker 7: But the signs were actually found behind city Hall, near
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Speaker 7: a dumpster where they store signs that have been taken down.
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Speaker 7: So and Sherry and some friends and family are actually
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Speaker 7: the ones who found those signs back behind city Hall,
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Speaker 7: and they it didn't stop them. They replenished what was
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Speaker 7: out there. When we went to Bardstown, there were new
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Speaker 7: signs out, but there was also you know, bourbon festival signs,
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Speaker 7: no parking signs, no pets here signs that were exactly
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Speaker 7: in places where the Prayers for Crystal signs used to
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Speaker 7: be and were taken down. But they had created some
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Speaker 7: brand new signs also. And some of the signs, I
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Speaker 7: should mention aren't just prayers for Crystal. They're also pointing
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Speaker 7: the finger at the prime suspect in her case, Brooks
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Speaker 7: Hawke and his brother Nick.
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Speaker 1: How Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the Last Days.
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Speaker 1: An episode of Nancy Grace off h ol N has
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Speaker 1: been entered into evidence in the murder case of Crystal Rogers.
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Speaker 1: Her body has never been found. What happened to Crystal?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 4: You had a little fire.
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Speaker 8: When was that after you dipped your walker?
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Speaker 4: Before you dip your walk?
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Speaker 8: I know we fed the cows first because I want
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Speaker 8: to do that as quickly while we had still plenty
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Speaker 8: of day. I don't know if I lift the fire
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Speaker 8: before we walked back here right when I got back,
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Speaker 8: I could have done it either or I don't remember.
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Speaker 2: After the fire and with their toddler in tow, Brooks says,
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Speaker 2: he and Crystal take a walk to me, and I've.
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Speaker 9: Got a couple of kids, you know, but everybody parents
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Speaker 9: a little differently.
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Speaker 4: To me, it seems a little late.
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Speaker 10: To be out on the farm with a two and
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Speaker 10: a half year Where is he head at midnight?
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Speaker 9: Is he has he been asleep in the.
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Speaker 11: Car for a while?
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Speaker 8: Is he still he's wide opening for anybot he's used.
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Speaker 8: So he used to sleeping so later in the morning
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Speaker 8: his normal day, that's his seven eight o'clock in the evening,
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Speaker 8: May eleven, because she sleeps much later in the morning,
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Speaker 8: she stays up.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's always been that way at midnight and
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Speaker 4: he's wild over.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing the boyfriend brooks hout and he's speaking to
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Speaker 1: Detective Snow. Now, let me understand something. To Shay McCallister,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter with w h AS in Louisville. The boyfriend
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Speaker 1: says he goes for a walk with Crystal and the
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Speaker 1: little baby, the one year old, at midnight.
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Speaker 6: That's what he tells police.
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Speaker 2: He says they went down to feed the cows. But
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Speaker 2: Sherry Ballard, Crystal's mom, has had a big problem with
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Speaker 2: this since the beginning. She says that it was very
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Speaker 2: rainy that night, and there's just no way Crystal would
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Speaker 2: have wanted to be walking around the farm, much less
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Speaker 2: with her baby.
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Speaker 1: Whose farm was it.
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Speaker 2: It was Hauke's mom's farm, So Brooks Houke's mom, Rosemary Hauke,
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Speaker 2: has a huge farm on the outskirts of Bardstown, and
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Speaker 2: that's where they say they were.
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Speaker 1: So did Brooks Houke's mother see Crystal there with the
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Speaker 1: baby that night.
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Speaker 2: We don't have any kind of recordings of her police interviews,
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Speaker 2: and she has never given us an interview.
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Speaker 6: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Have you tried, have you tried to talk to her? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we have tried to talk to her.
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Speaker 2: We've seen her in court multiple times over the years.
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Speaker 2: She's always there when Brooks is in court or at
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Speaker 2: custody hearings for that little boy, and we have definitely
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Speaker 2: tried to talk to her.
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Speaker 1: Interesting, very interesting. So she's on a date I guess
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Speaker 1: you could call it with her boyfriend and he thinks
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Speaker 1: it's a good thing to take her to fade the
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Speaker 1: cows at midnight with the baby. Do I am I
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Speaker 1: understanding this correctly, Jessica knowl.
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Speaker 7: That is correct, And I do want to point out
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Speaker 7: we actually do go to the farm and try to
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Speaker 7: speak to Rosemary there. But what's interesting about the clip
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Speaker 7: that you just ran someone on Facebook because we've had
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Speaker 7: a lot of chatter from folks that want to chime
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Speaker 7: in with what they're hearing and their thoughts and theories,
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Speaker 7: and someone pointed out that he actually says in that clip,
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Speaker 7: I went home. He doesn't say we, which I thought
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Speaker 7: was kind of interesting for someone to hear when they
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Speaker 7: were listening to that, because I didn't pick that up.
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Speaker 7: He says, we didn't get anything to eat. But then
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Speaker 7: he says, I went home.
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Speaker 1: I noticed that. I noticed when he said I went home,
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Speaker 1: and I just assumed that Crystal Rogers peeled off. But
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Speaker 1: having a baby out at midnight, I just don't believe
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Speaker 1: that for a minute. Take a listen to Brooks Howp
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Speaker 1: and Detective Snow.
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Speaker 8: I probably I probably woke up around you know, in
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Speaker 8: between that time May six or seven o'clock and then
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Speaker 8: I left.
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Speaker 4: You know, I got did my normal thing, could you.
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Speaker 8: Know, change my clothes, put my clothes.
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Speaker 4: On, and and and headed out, you know shortly after that.
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Speaker 10: You know, So you get up between six and seven,
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Speaker 10: and where's Eli at When you wake up, he's next
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Speaker 10: to me.
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Speaker 4: He's in the bed with you.
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Speaker 9: Okay, so you get up, does he get up with you?
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Speaker 5: He's still he's still asleeps on ever I whenever I
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Speaker 5: get up, but I go to uh, you know, the
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Speaker 5: bathroom and all that kind of stuff, and he's still sleeping, uh,
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Speaker 5: sleeping there.
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Speaker 4: On the bed.
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Speaker 6: But Crystal isn't there when he gets out.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I noticed, I mean I noticed that she wasn't there.
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Speaker 4: I didn't know what was I didn't know exactly what
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Speaker 4: to think. I don't know what time I called her. Yes,
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Speaker 4: I called her that morning.
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Speaker 6: Gros takes his son to the farm, but his lack
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Speaker 6: of concern.
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Speaker 2: For crystals whereabouts gives the detective pause, and he probes,
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Speaker 2: if I woke.
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Speaker 3: Up on a Saturday morning and my wife wasn't with
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Speaker 3: me in the bed as is normal.
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Speaker 8: If she were not, probably the first thing I would
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Speaker 8: do would be to call her to find.
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Speaker 9: Out where she was.
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Speaker 1: You were hearing Brooks how the boyfriend of Crystal Rogers
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Speaker 1: the father of their child, and Detective snow, could you
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Speaker 1: play cut three one more time?
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Speaker 8: I probably I probably woke up around you know, in
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Speaker 8: between that time May six or seven o'clock, and then
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Speaker 8: I left. You know, I got did my normal thing,
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Speaker 8: because you know, change my clothes, put my clothes on,
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Speaker 8: and and and headed out, you know shortly after that.
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Speaker 10: You know, So you get up between six and seven,
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Speaker 10: and where's Eli at.
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Speaker 4: When you wake up, he's next to me.
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Speaker 1: He's in the bed with you.
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Speaker 9: Okay, so you get up? Does he get up? With you.
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Speaker 4: He's still He's still asleep on every eye whenever I
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Speaker 4: get up.
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Speaker 5: But I go to uh, you know, the bathroom and
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Speaker 5: all that stuff, and he's still sleeping.
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Speaker 4: Sleeping there on the bed.
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Speaker 6: But Crystal isn't there when he gets out.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean I know she wasn't there.
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Speaker 8: I didn't know what was I didn't know exactly what
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Speaker 8: to I don't know what time.
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Speaker 4: I called her. Yes, I called her that morning.
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Speaker 2: Brooks takes his son to the farm, but his lack
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Speaker 2: of concern for Crystal's whereabouts gives the detective pause.
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Speaker 3: If I woke up on a Saturday morning and my
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Speaker 3: wife wasn't with me in the bed as is normal,
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Speaker 3: if she were not, probably the first thing I would
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Speaker 3: do would be to.
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Speaker 9: Call her to find out where she was.
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Speaker 1: Seay, McAllister. I'm hearing them talking about the Hawk brothers.
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Speaker 1: There's more than one of them.
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Speaker 2: Yes, there is. There are two Help brothers. There's Nick Help,
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Speaker 2: the older of the two. He was a Bargetown police
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Speaker 2: officer when Crystal went missing, and then his younger brother,
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Speaker 2: Brooks Help was Crystal's boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: So is he is the brother still with the police force.
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Speaker 2: He is not. He was fired just a few months
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Speaker 2: after Crystal went missing. Nick and her feared with the investigation,
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Speaker 2: and he actually called his brother Brooks while he was
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Speaker 2: in an interrogation room with police.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, take a listen to this.
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Speaker 2: The interview is interrupted when Brooks gets a call from
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Speaker 2: his older brother, Nick Hawk, the Bartstown police officer.
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Speaker 1: I get this, you have.
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Speaker 4: I'm up here. I know that you didn't know I'm
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Speaker 4: up here in this interview with the detective.
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Speaker 8: Detective snow, I've been up here a good little while.
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Speaker 8: I'm feeling out this this statement here and everything?
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Speaker 1: Is it?
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Speaker 8: Do you know you telling me that's you tell me
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Speaker 8: that's what I need to do.
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Speaker 9: I know, I.
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Speaker 4: Know, don't I know, I'm not I know that. But
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Speaker 4: what if I look at it is I'm innocent. I
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Speaker 4: ain't done nothing wrong. Well you know, I know you
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Speaker 4: told me innocent. People have got jammed up. If you're
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Speaker 4: telling me to leave, I'll get up and leave if
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Speaker 4: you if you omitted, I don't know. I'm going to
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Speaker 4: do a lot, but I'm trying to get this guy
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Speaker 4: to help me. I don't think. I don't think she's
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Speaker 4: ran off with some other guy.
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Speaker 8: If I don't believe that.
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Speaker 4: You can't make me think that.
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Speaker 8: I'll do exactly what you're telling me to do.
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Speaker 4: You'll make it up and leave.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly what he did. That's brooks Hout, the boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: the lover of Crystal Rogers now missing with Detective Snow.
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Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, he did get up
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Speaker 1: and leave. Well, long story short, the Bardstown Police Chief
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Speaker 1: Rick McGavin hears that the officer officer how calls his
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Speaker 1: brother and tells him to leave. Listen.
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Speaker 2: But news of that phone call eventually gets back to
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Speaker 2: Bardstown Police Chief Rick mccobbn and goes against everything his
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Speaker 2: owes of ethics stands for in his department.
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Speaker 12: Nick wasn't being questioned, no, but what really got my
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Speaker 12: irish up was the fact that he called his brother
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Speaker 12: and I guess, you know, kind of encouraging him to,
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Speaker 12: you know, to leave, to get out of there. And
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Speaker 12: sure you and again let me get let me use
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Speaker 12: an example. You and your friend could call you and go, man, Jessica,
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Speaker 12: you need to shut up and leave. Nothing I can
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Speaker 12: do about it. Which friend's not a cop, your brother's
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Speaker 12: not a cop. And I told him, I said, that's
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Speaker 12: not how this profession rolls.
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Speaker 1: You don't get to do that.
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Speaker 6: I don't care if you're looking out for your brother
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Speaker 6: or not.
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Speaker 1: You don't get to do that, you know, So that was,
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Speaker 1: you know, part of it.
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Speaker 7: Well.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, After that, Nick Hawk's boss,
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Speaker 1: the police chief, orders him to talk to detectives, and
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Speaker 1: according to an FBI polygraph examiner who tells Nick Howck
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Speaker 1: in a police interrogation video, quote, it's pretty clear you
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Speaker 1: haven't told me the complete truth, and the questions you're
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Speaker 1: having problems with are questions about Crystal, in particular whether
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Speaker 1: or not you know where she is is right now,
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Speaker 1: Explain that to me, Jesskanal, what happened?
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Speaker 7: So the FBI polygraph examiner tells Nick how the police
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Speaker 7: officer at that time, that he is not being truthful
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Speaker 7: with him, and that whole interaction just really begins to escalate,
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Speaker 7: and he at one point asks him as Nick is
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Speaker 7: getting audibly frustrated with him because he's calling him a
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Speaker 7: liar essentially, at one point, the FBI polygraph examiner says,
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Speaker 7: is this how you acted towards Crystal? And and he
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Speaker 7: obviously begins yelling at that point. So there is something
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Speaker 7: and you know, better than us, that polygraph examinations aren't
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Speaker 7: always one hundred percent, But there was something there was
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Speaker 7: enough of not telling the truth that set off their radar,
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Speaker 7: and that he was not being truthful when he was
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Speaker 7: talking about Crystal, about her disappearance, about Brooks possibly telling
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Speaker 7: him something about him having any involvement, he was not
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Speaker 7: being truthful according to their examination.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 13: Well, Nick, I've had a chance to review in your
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Speaker 13: charts on that test, that first test you it did
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Speaker 13: not pass the test, and it's pretty clear to me
21:33
Speaker 13: that you have held me really truth is that.
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Speaker 1: The questions you're having a problem that there are.
21:37
Speaker 13: Questions about Christall and in particular one about whether or
21:40
Speaker 13: not you know where she's.
21:41
Speaker 9: Right now, And I don't know.
21:45
Speaker 13: I treat police officers in these circumstances so like I
21:47
Speaker 13: would myself, So I'm not going to go through all.
21:49
Speaker 9: The interview of terrogation nonsense. I think you and I
21:53
Speaker 9: are in the same page.
21:54
Speaker 13: But at again, I'm also going to tell you the
21:56
Speaker 13: completely true. As we're sitting here and it's no longer
21:59
Speaker 13: matter I'm blundering.
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Speaker 9: Do you know anything about what happened? We're past that now.
22:04
Speaker 9: I mean now you have crystal clear with you. I
22:06
Speaker 9: give everybody a good fair test. I'm no longer asking
22:10
Speaker 9: you if you know you do Now what do you
22:12
Speaker 9: want to do with that is entirely up to you.
22:14
Speaker 9: I got yelling scream match you and get the sick
22:17
Speaker 9: Woods phone book and all that. I'm talking to your manage.
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Speaker 13: Man as a follow mforcenops or that the time has
22:23
Speaker 13: come for you to think real hard about the rest
22:26
Speaker 13: of your life.
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Speaker 9: This is you. I'm I talk about broke everybody else,
22:31
Speaker 9: and I'm telling you facts life. I'm an old guy
22:32
Speaker 9: and I'm trying to.
22:33
Speaker 14: Be a father figure here.
22:34
Speaker 9: But I'll tell you doing this for twenty five years
22:37
Speaker 9: the way that this fans out.
22:39
Speaker 13: But the FBI that gets involved in this investigation, or
22:42
Speaker 13: you're listening one time, you don't have to say anything
22:44
Speaker 13: to me.
22:44
Speaker 9: You do whatever you want to do.
22:46
Speaker 13: As I said, he may never even be in an
22:49
Speaker 13: FBI agent, right, but once you get on the radar,
22:52
Speaker 13: we don't go away unless there's a reason too. I
22:55
Speaker 13: thought there would be the end past this, and there's
22:59
Speaker 13: some other information there as well, So I guarantee.
23:02
Speaker 14: What I've got on all right, The f guy.
23:04
Speaker 13: Has unlimited resources in terms of forensic information, electronic information.
23:12
Speaker 13: Many bodies want to pour attribute surveillance and look there
23:15
Speaker 13: everything that's ever nine on the flue fine crystals.
23:19
Speaker 9: You heard that about that as a matter of what's.
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Speaker 2: Get On July fifteenth, twenty fifteen, detectives also revealed to
23:25
Speaker 2: Nick they found bodily fluids inside his police cruiser the
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Speaker 2: day after he and Brooks leave the station together and
23:32
Speaker 2: drive to their mom's farm.
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Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of illuminol? You ever been any
23:36
Speaker 4: kind of veigations?
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Speaker 14: All right?
23:38
Speaker 4: You know what luminol's used for? Its fine blood?
23:41
Speaker 2: Okay, or other.
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Speaker 10: Fluid?
23:45
Speaker 4: Ok So, we always create.
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Speaker 13: Bodily fluid, sweat, you know, vomit, anything, you know, salava.
23:53
Speaker 4: All that is is what would fluoresce?
23:56
Speaker 13: Would Why would your trunk look like a smurf if
23:58
Speaker 13: they spray it while it flores the minit.
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Speaker 4: He looked like Nobyl. There's gull spots in the trump
24:05
Speaker 4: in that blanket, I mean, just live like Chernobyl. Why
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Speaker 4: would that? There's not one to be any blood in tronk?
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Speaker 9: Okay?
24:11
Speaker 4: Well, and I say blood, I'm talking about other bodily fluids.
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Speaker 5: I don't have you there shouldn't there shouldn't be anybody
24:17
Speaker 5: bodily floods in the trunt.
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Speaker 1: WHOA, it's not going to be any blood. Well that
24:21
Speaker 1: tells me right there that there's a strong possibility she
24:24
Speaker 1: was asphyxiated. She's not going to be any blood. That's
24:27
Speaker 1: the first thing he said. And again everyone has said
24:30
Speaker 1: they're not guilty, that they're innocent in this case, and
24:33
Speaker 1: they have a right to a trial. By Jerry, when
24:36
Speaker 1: did he report her missing?
24:38
Speaker 6: Brooks Hawk never reports her missing.
24:41
Speaker 2: Actually, her mom reports her missing a few days later,
24:46
Speaker 2: when she's had trouble reaching her over the phone, and
24:51
Speaker 2: when she actually runs into Brooks how in town, she
24:54
Speaker 2: asks Brooks, hey, have you seen Crystal? Where do you
24:58
Speaker 2: think she is? And Brooks said, no, I haven't seen her.
25:02
Speaker 2: And Sherry says, well, then I'm going to go report
25:05
Speaker 2: her missing. And Brooks says, yeah, I think you should
25:09
Speaker 2: do that.
25:10
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Brooks house speaking to Detective Snow
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Speaker 1: on this very issue.
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Speaker 6: Brooks runs into Crystal's mom.
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Speaker 9: I met her mother at the gas station somewhere one
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Speaker 9: of these days.
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Speaker 8: Her mother's Sherry, Crystal's mother, Sherry came up. Heurer my
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Speaker 8: window and asked me if I had seen Crystal, and when.
25:33
Speaker 10: You told her what, I haven't seen her, don't know
25:35
Speaker 10: where she is, and she just said okay and asked me.
25:39
Speaker 5: That she thought that she thought that the wisest thing
25:42
Speaker 5: for us to do was she said she's going to
25:44
Speaker 5: go to the police station, and.
25:47
Speaker 4: Then I went home.
25:48
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Crystal's mom files a missing person's report at the
25:52
Speaker 2: Nelson County Sheriff's office around three pm. Two hours later,
25:56
Speaker 2: her father, Tommy, gets a call Crystal's car has been
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Speaker 2: found along the Bluegrass Parkway. Tommy goes and uncovers her keys, phone,
26:05
Speaker 2: and purse inside. Brooks tells detectives know that he wasn't
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Speaker 2: concerned until Sunday because she'd quote done this before.
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Speaker 1: Friends and family tell me there's no way Crystal would
26:18
Speaker 1: ever have left her children, never ever ever. Crime Stories
26:29
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, Crystal Rogers's boyfriend, Brooks Hawk, came on
26:39
Speaker 1: to the NG Nancy Gray Show on HLM. I questioned
26:43
Speaker 1: him about his behavior immediately following Crystal's disappearance. I didn't
26:49
Speaker 1: like any of his answers, and apparently prosecutors agree that
26:55
Speaker 1: taped episode will be entered into evidence by the state
27:00
Speaker 1: joining me right now. In addition to her parents, saw
27:03
Speaker 1: Tom and Sherry Ballard, her boyfriend that she lived with.
27:08
Speaker 1: So Brooks, you go to bed and she's still playing
27:11
Speaker 1: games on her phone. The next morning, around eight o'clock,
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Speaker 1: you notice that she's missing. Did you report her missing?
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Speaker 4: No, ma'am.
27:19
Speaker 14: Why that is a great question and one that I
27:22
Speaker 14: definitely want to hear the other public in the media.
27:28
Speaker 14: I was not in the least little ditch along in
27:32
Speaker 14: any way, shape or form. We have had a stress
27:36
Speaker 14: relationship at times, and one of the ways that Crystal
27:41
Speaker 14: has always chose to the coper to deal with that
27:46
Speaker 14: is by going to a young woman's name Sabrina. That
27:51
Speaker 14: is her cousin, her dad brother's daughter, whom she's very
27:56
Speaker 14: close to.
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Speaker 4: That she spent the night.
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Speaker 1: There on several oc When you say several, do you
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Speaker 1: mean one three twenty in.
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Speaker 14: The neighborhood of four to six Okay.
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Speaker 1: Thomas Sherry Ballard, were you aware of that? Do you
28:10
Speaker 1: know who Sabrina is?
28:12
Speaker 11: Yes, ma'am, that's my niece.
28:14
Speaker 1: Okay. Did you know that she doesn't spend the night
28:16
Speaker 1: over there when she's having an issue at home?
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Speaker 4: I'm not on probably one time.
28:22
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, I want to go back to Brooks Houck.
28:26
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. I know that you agreed
28:28
Speaker 1: to take a polygraph? Did you pass?
28:31
Speaker 14: They because of the way that the lines or whatever
28:34
Speaker 14: wrong that they may determined it to be what's called inconclusive.
28:38
Speaker 14: I'm not exactly sure what that means, but they did
28:42
Speaker 14: tell me it does mean that I wasn't flying, or
28:45
Speaker 14: I didn't pass it, or I didn't fell it. They
28:47
Speaker 14: just ruled it inconclusive. And that's exactly the way that
28:51
Speaker 14: it stands. I've been one hundred percent completely honest with everyone.
28:56
Speaker 14: I've been one hundred percent a cooperative in everything that
29:01
Speaker 14: has been asked of me. I'm not asked for any
29:05
Speaker 14: kind of legal advice or assistance or an attorney of
29:09
Speaker 14: any nature. I'm one hundred percent completely innocent in this,
29:13
Speaker 14: and I have exhausted my efforts with the law enforcement
29:17
Speaker 14: agencies to gather all the facts necessary to allow me
29:23
Speaker 14: to have a clean name again. And that's very important
29:28
Speaker 14: to me.
29:29
Speaker 1: You are hearing, oh, who has been called the number
29:32
Speaker 1: one suspect, Crystal Rogers lover Brooks help with me questioning him.
29:38
Speaker 1: I find it very interesting that either he's not telling
29:43
Speaker 1: me the truth or the FBI agent that truth. Polygraph
29:46
Speaker 1: is not telling the truth because I was looking right
29:48
Speaker 1: at the video when the agent that the poligrapher says,
29:53
Speaker 1: you did not pass. Okay, that's not inconclusive. That's you
29:59
Speaker 1: did not pass. But when I was questioning him, how
30:02
Speaker 1: it says that it was inconclusive, basically blaming the test. Also,
30:06
Speaker 1: I heard something very significant. Apparently. The first story was
30:10
Speaker 1: they were up playing games like video games, I guess,
30:13
Speaker 1: and then went to sleep. That's a far cry from
30:16
Speaker 1: fading the cows.
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Speaker 7: Jessica nol Brooks's story is that once they got home
30:21
Speaker 7: from the farm, he went to bed and his son
30:25
Speaker 7: stayed up with Crystal and Crystal played games on her
30:28
Speaker 7: phone and that was the last time he saw her.
30:31
Speaker 1: It's an interest that has everyone's attention. Brooks.
30:34
Speaker 15: How Crystal Roger's boyfriend and the main suspect in her disappearance,
30:38
Speaker 15: charged with her murder and tempering with physical evidence. According
30:42
Speaker 15: to the indictment, the charge of stem from an incident
30:44
Speaker 15: July fourth weekend of twenty fifteen, just days before Crystal's
30:48
Speaker 15: car was found abandoned on the side of the Bluegrass
30:51
Speaker 15: Parkway with her keys, phone and purse inside. He was
30:55
Speaker 15: named the main suspect within three months, but never charged
31:00
Speaker 15: until today.
31:00
Speaker 11: Why so long?
31:03
Speaker 1: You were just hearing our friends in whas for those
31:06
Speaker 1: of you just joining us in the last hours, finally
31:09
Speaker 1: unarrest in the murder of Crystal Rogers. And you know
31:14
Speaker 1: what's so irritating, You know, Cheryl mccoum is joining me,
31:19
Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute and star of
31:22
Speaker 1: a hitnew series Zone seven. When I hear and I've
31:27
Speaker 1: heard it over and over, it's countless cases, Cheryl McCollum quote,
31:32
Speaker 1: everybody knew. I mean since day one, everyone said, Brooks,
31:40
Speaker 1: how is the killer? Why did it take so long?
31:44
Speaker 1: And to you, Cheryl McCollum, have you ever had those cases?
31:47
Speaker 1: And you have to tell every single witness it doesn't
31:50
Speaker 1: matter what everybody says, because very often what everybody says
31:55
Speaker 1: is not true. That's not the killer. It turns out
31:58
Speaker 1: to be someone completely different. But in this case, it's true.
32:02
Speaker 1: Since the whole thing went down, he has been suspect
32:07
Speaker 1: number one.
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Speaker 16: He's been suspect only one. There hasn't been anybody else.
32:12
Speaker 16: But it's one of those situations. What you know and
32:14
Speaker 16: what you could prove is not the same thing. So
32:17
Speaker 16: they had to be patient. They had to work this
32:19
Speaker 16: case from every angle, which is what they did. They
32:23
Speaker 16: got him once for theft, they got people that were
32:26
Speaker 16: close to him for perjury. They even pressed Grandma so
32:30
Speaker 16: hard she invoked her Fifth Amendment. So they have worked
32:34
Speaker 16: this thing beautifully. Yeah, as long as they possibly could.
32:39
Speaker 6: Take.
32:39
Speaker 1: Listen to whas eleven federal investigators accused Helk of intentionally
32:44
Speaker 1: causing the death of Crystal Runchers and destroying, concealing, mutilating,
32:49
Speaker 1: or removing physical evidence in connection to the crime, He
32:52
Speaker 1: was arrested without incident while on a job site outside
32:55
Speaker 1: of Bardstown.
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Speaker 6: This was the moment Brooks was put into handcuffs.
32:59
Speaker 11: My fires reaction was just Sherry and her family getting
33:05
Speaker 11: the justice that they.
33:06
Speaker 1: Have fought so much. For joining me right now, Anchor
33:11
Speaker 1: wd RB out of Louisville, Fallon Glick, thank you for
33:16
Speaker 1: being with us. Fallon, tell me about the arrest.
33:19
Speaker 17: Well Brooks, how Kerr former boyfriend. He was arrested at
33:22
Speaker 17: a work site and then he was then taken to
33:25
Speaker 17: the Nelson County jail. We have video of him and
33:28
Speaker 17: handcuffed walking into the jail. It wasn't there very long,
33:32
Speaker 17: but we did get a booking photo of him, and
33:34
Speaker 17: then he was taken to another county jail. It's called
33:37
Speaker 17: the Harding County Jail, and that is where he is
33:40
Speaker 17: staying currently. And he's not going to get out unless
33:43
Speaker 17: you posts that ten million dollars cash only bond.
33:46
Speaker 1: Okay, ten million dollars cash bond, James Shelknett. That's unlike
33:52
Speaker 1: a lot of bonds where you can put, for instance,
33:55
Speaker 1: your house down is collateral, you get one hundred thousand
33:58
Speaker 1: dollars bond. You got to come up with ten thousand
34:00
Speaker 1: dollars money or collateral like a home. But a ten
34:05
Speaker 1: million dollar bond that's not going to happen anytime soon.
34:10
Speaker 11: No, it's not going to happen anytime soon. And you
34:12
Speaker 11: know a lot of times with severe cases you do
34:15
Speaker 11: see a cash boar. But even with a cash bond,
34:18
Speaker 11: that's a pretty high cash bond. They must feel pretty
34:21
Speaker 11: confident in the case that they've got against them, and
34:23
Speaker 11: so much the judge to set the bond that high,
34:26
Speaker 11: I mean, get real shell nut.
34:27
Speaker 1: If the guy has managed to outsmart police for this
34:31
Speaker 1: many years and the disappearance and death of his girlfriend,
34:35
Speaker 1: Crystal Rogers. I wouldn't let him set one toe outside
34:39
Speaker 1: of that jail house because he could very likely slip away.
34:43
Speaker 11: I wouldn't let him set outside the jail either. You know,
34:46
Speaker 11: this guy has sat and committed potentially a crime against
34:52
Speaker 11: the mother of five children. He's covered it up, He's
34:56
Speaker 11: played games. And this guy's shown he's dangerous and he's
34:59
Speaker 11: a danger to the community.
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Speaker 1: And danger to any potential witnesses. Is why I would
35:03
Speaker 1: let him out on bond. And you said the case
35:05
Speaker 1: is so severe it calls for a high cash bond.
35:09
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? And what is a
35:10
Speaker 1: cash bond as supposed to a regular bond, Shell.
35:13
Speaker 11: Nut, Well, it's severe because he's accused of murdering a
35:17
Speaker 11: mother of five, of potentially covering this murder up taking steps.
35:22
Speaker 13: You know.
35:22
Speaker 11: Additionally, you know, we've got some implications as to involvement
35:26
Speaker 11: in some other situations as well. And the cash bond
35:30
Speaker 11: is set so that the judge can ensure that. Yeah,
35:33
Speaker 11: I'm not giving him a no bond, So I'm going
35:35
Speaker 11: to meet the basic constitutional requirements of providing bail. But
35:39
Speaker 11: I will tell you this, if you're going to get out,
35:41
Speaker 11: we're going to be pretty sure that you're coming back.
35:43
Speaker 1: Okay, let me Q and A with myself for just
35:46
Speaker 1: a moment. James shell Nutt was asked what's the difference
35:49
Speaker 1: in a cash bond and regular bond? Again, in regular
35:53
Speaker 1: bond you can put up collateral like the value of
35:56
Speaker 1: your home. You can put up for instance, real estatem.
36:00
Speaker 1: A cash bawn, you gotta have cold hard cash. Everything
36:05
Speaker 1: else shell Nutt said, was dead on joining me. James
36:07
Speaker 1: shell Nutt a high profile lawyer with the shell Nut Firm.
36:12
Speaker 1: He's based in Alabama, but travels all over twenty seven
36:16
Speaker 1: years on Metro major case at shell Nut Law Firm
36:20
Speaker 1: dot com. Guys, this has been one long drawn out investigation.
36:26
Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to Monica Harkins WDRB.
36:30
Speaker 18: We saw the car pull in through the fence. As
36:33
Speaker 18: he got out of the car, I asked, where is
36:35
Speaker 18: Crystal Rogers. He didn't say anything. As he entered the
36:39
Speaker 18: back of the jail, the Nelson County jailer was also
36:41
Speaker 18: on hand. You can see that clearly as this unmarked
36:44
Speaker 18: car goes through the gates. Around ten forty five Hawk
36:47
Speaker 18: showed up here, but it was around eight forty five
36:50
Speaker 18: this morning, the FBI of.
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Speaker 6: Louisville posted about Hawke's arrest.
36:53
Speaker 18: Rogers was last seen in July of twenty fifteen. The
36:56
Speaker 18: FBI post saying FBI and KSP have been laser folks
37:00
Speaker 18: on their commitment to hold accountable those that were responsible
37:03
Speaker 18: for the disappearance of Crystal Rogers, saying, quote, today we
37:07
Speaker 18: take a significant step in making good on that promise.
37:10
Speaker 1: You know, Falling Glick joining me anchor wd RB. We
37:14
Speaker 1: all heard FB I, why did the FBI have to
37:22
Speaker 1: be brought in to solve this case? What about local
37:25
Speaker 1: law enforcement?
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Speaker 17: What's the problem, Falling Glick, Well, local law enforcement, the
37:30
Speaker 17: sheriff's office, they have been on this since day one,
37:34
Speaker 17: and I think they just didn't have enough resources to
37:38
Speaker 17: pull this case together. And we know Sherry Ballor, the
37:41
Speaker 17: mother of Crystal Rogers, she has been the true champion
37:45
Speaker 17: for her daughter's case, keeping it in the spotlight. And
37:48
Speaker 17: you know, very soon after her daughter disappeared, she asked
37:52
Speaker 17: the FBI to come in, please take over this case.
37:56
Speaker 17: And that didn't happen until five years later. So the FBI,
38:00
Speaker 17: they've been on the case now for three years, and
38:03
Speaker 17: when they come in that late they have more work
38:06
Speaker 17: to do because they weren't there from day one, and
38:09
Speaker 17: so it has taken a lot of time to pull
38:11
Speaker 17: all this evidence together because we know they've executed so
38:15
Speaker 17: many surge warrants at the Hawk family properties, the Hawk
38:19
Speaker 17: Family farm, you know, that's the three hundred acre farm,
38:22
Speaker 17: so they have been there several times. And then not
38:25
Speaker 17: too long ago, they were at a home that Brooks
38:28
Speaker 17: House has built and they dug up the driveway collected
38:31
Speaker 17: a ton of evidence there. So the evidence that the
38:35
Speaker 17: FBI has had to sort through is unimaginable. I know
38:39
Speaker 17: the prosecutor is saying that they have to turn over
38:44
Speaker 17: to terabytes worth of information in this case. So just
38:48
Speaker 17: a lot to go through here.
38:50
Speaker 1: Crystal Rogers' boyfriend came on to the NG Nancy Gray
38:54
Speaker 1: Show on HLM. I didn't like any of his answers,
38:57
Speaker 1: and apparently Peters agree that taped episode will be entered
39:04
Speaker 1: into evidence by the state. Crystal Roger's body still not found.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off Goodbye Friend,