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The Bolt Report | 30 September · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: Jesus the bold reform it.
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Speaker 2: Tonight a split grows between the Prime Minister and his
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Speaker 2: treasurer as they tried to boast about their surplus. But
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Speaker 2: it's actually the last they planted a liver for another decade.
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Speaker 2: They didn't tell you that, did they, And it's the
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Speaker 2: white politician's fault. Say yes campaign leaders, so they play
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Speaker 2: the race card a year after Australian said no to
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Speaker 2: their voice. Also tonight, Brendan O'Neil and his new book
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Speaker 2: on the shocking you barbarism, the vicious support in our
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Speaker 2: streets for Islamus terrorists and the vicious hatred of Israel
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Speaker 2: and Kevin Rudd or Kevin seventy four seven? Should I
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Speaker 2: say the huge travel bill is mounted? But when's he
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Speaker 2: actually going? But first the panic and the spin. Today
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Speaker 2: you're supposed to believe this labor government in Canberra is
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Speaker 2: finally going to get tough on the Isthmus radicals our
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Speaker 2: politicians have imported onto our streets. Anthony the Albinizi is
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Speaker 2: going to take action. Well, you are being a lied to.
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Speaker 2: This Prime Minister still doesn't admit to or get what's
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Speaker 2: been unleashed by our immigration policies. Our mungsticultural policies and
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Speaker 2: Labour's savage attacks on Israel. Now i'll show you some
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Speaker 2: deeply disturbing scenes that night, including ones you've not yet seen.
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Speaker 2: Albanizi today was coming to be shocked by anti Israel
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Speaker 2: protesters in Sydney and Melbourne yesterday, some flying the yellow
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Speaker 2: flag of Hesbola listened here as a terrorist group, and
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Speaker 2: they were holding pictures of Hassanzrala. There's bel a leader
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Speaker 2: killed by Israel in Lebanon last Friday. Now in Sydney,
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Speaker 2: Green's Deputy leader Mary in Feruki, she addressed the mob
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Speaker 2: and protesses there the praise of Nazarella. In fact, some
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Speaker 2: of the protesters in the Melbourne rally reportedly called for
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Speaker 2: Jews to be killed. Certainly, some chanted a war cry
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Speaker 2: in Arabic first made popular by another Islamist terrorist group,
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Speaker 2: Hamas Kaiba Kaiber yah Yahood is actually a warning to
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Speaker 2: every Jew or Yahood that the armies of Muhammad are
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Speaker 2: coming for them.
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Speaker 3: Tiger is where an.
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Speaker 2: Islamic army slaughtered Jews. But to all this, the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister today just tuttuttered the protesters should just mind their manners.
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Speaker 4: We do not want people to bring radical ideologies and
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Speaker 4: conflict here.
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Speaker 3: Can you believe this guy?
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Speaker 2: Don't bring your old hates here, says this prime minister,
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Speaker 2: whose government just issued three thousand tourism visas to Palestinians
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Speaker 2: from terrorists run Gaza without even an interview. Some of
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Speaker 2: the protests yesterday, many chanting in Arabic, They were likely
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Speaker 2: brought into or their families were brought here by politicians
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Speaker 2: who didn't care either how that might change our culture.
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Speaker 2: And now the results you see them people openly supporting
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Speaker 2: a terrorist group in front of police yesterday who didn't
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Speaker 2: arrest a single one. Police in Sydney actually gave the
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Speaker 2: protests a permit to protest, shutting down the light rail
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Speaker 2: to make way for them. But as I said today,
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Speaker 2: the government, no, we're going to get tough. The federal
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Speaker 2: police might even charge people immigration. Mister Tony Burke, though
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Speaker 2: didn't even call the press conference denouncing these protests, didn't
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Speaker 2: dare you see thirty percent of people in his electorate
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Speaker 2: and the elections just they're Muslim too.
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Speaker 3: So the most Burke did dare do was issue.
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Speaker 2: This week warning I will consider refusing and canceling visas
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Speaker 2: for anyone who seeks to discord in Australia, he would
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Speaker 2: just consider canceling visas well. The opposition leader today winning
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Speaker 2: a lot harder.
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Speaker 5: I find it completely unacceptable that the government wouldn't be
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Speaker 5: arresting people already or canceling visas of people who are
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Speaker 5: glorifying Hesbalah and Hamas and others. They have no place
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Speaker 5: in our country. We're the greatest country in the world
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Speaker 5: and we shouldn't be afraid to defend and protect it.
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Speaker 5: And if Tony Burke continues to talk about game, that's
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Speaker 5: one thing, but he needs to follow through with it now.
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Speaker 2: I believe Tony Burke will cancel visas when I see it,
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Speaker 2: But even if he does throw out one or two scapegoats,
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Speaker 2: don't be fooled. What about all the many Hesbela supporters
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Speaker 2: if for any claim citizenship and cannot be deported. What
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Speaker 2: about people at Sydney's Musjid arahmen A Mosque in Kingsgrove
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Speaker 2: who have been mourning the deaths of Hesbela fighters like
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Speaker 2: these for many months already without any protests from this government,
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Speaker 2: and yesterday held a packed service for the Hesbela leader himself,
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Speaker 2: whose terrorists have killed Americans, Jews, Christians, a terrorist boss
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Speaker 2: that mosque officials actually praised as a righteous martyr, a
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Speaker 2: master of the resistance, praying yesterday at his death. In fact,
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Speaker 2: that these three Sydney mosques are holding vigils to mourn
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Speaker 2: the Hebela leader. Three Stony Burke going to throw some
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Speaker 2: of those guys out of the country as well? Is
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Speaker 2: he going to slam the door on immigration from the
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Speaker 2: Middle East until we assimilate better the people already here?
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Speaker 2: Or will labor keep pandering to the Muslim vote. You
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Speaker 2: know you can bank on labor doing next to absolutely
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Speaker 2: nothing like they have for forty years now. The liberals
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Speaker 2: haven't been that much better, but labor from for forty
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Speaker 2: years from the time that the Hawk labor government refused
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Speaker 2: to throw out Shake taj Aldin al Hilali, the Egyptian
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Speaker 2: radical who became Australia's Mufti who also backed Hasbela.
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Speaker 3: He did, and he.
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Speaker 2: Backed and Nazarella the Amas, the has Bala leader backed
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Speaker 2: jihad and call the September eleven alk you to attacks
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Speaker 2: on the US God's work against oppressors. The SBS sense
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Speaker 2: of that video. I got that story out. The Hawk
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Speaker 2: government let that man stay in Australia to win over
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Speaker 2: Muslim votes. Paul Kidding was part of that which let
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Speaker 2: this guy preach his crazy contempt for this country for decades.
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Speaker 6: While Australia is no longer Anglo Saxon, we mean in
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Speaker 6: Australia longer than them. Islam is deep rooted in the
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Speaker 6: Australian soil that Islam was here before the English fleet.
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Speaker 2: Labour can't now pretend to be shocked shocked to see
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Speaker 2: what decades of this kind of immigration, this kind of
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Speaker 2: multiculturalist pandering has now brought us, Especially not when Labor
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Speaker 2: is now busily demonizing Israel to win over Muslim and
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Speaker 2: Green voters, feeding the fury that we saw yesterday. So
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Speaker 2: Labor under Anthony ALBANEZIIYETIP will be big talk, little action,
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Speaker 2: because Muslim radicals here have gone from being too few
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Speaker 2: to worry about to too many for politicians of the
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Speaker 2: left to confront. In fact, the radicals now have media
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Speaker 2: cover as well, politicians in our federal Parliament giving political
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Speaker 2: cover the Greens and Senator Fatima Payman. And there's the
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Speaker 2: ABC as well. And let me finish with the ABC,
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Speaker 2: because this is a sign of the culture that we're
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Speaker 2: now up against the ABC advertises diversity in the modern
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Speaker 2: way by hiring a journalist from an Egyptian family from Qatar,
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Speaker 2: who yesterday produced a report nearly two minutes long on
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Speaker 2: the protests without once mentioning the Hesbula flags, without once
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Speaker 2: mentioning Hesbela was in fact a terrorist group, without once
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Speaker 2: explaining hes Blood fired more than eight thousand missiles of
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Speaker 2: rockets into Israel in the past year, which might explain
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Speaker 2: why Israel's now fighting back mention none of that. Instead,
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Speaker 2: let people at that protest yesterday pay tribute to the
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Speaker 2: terrorist leader after nearly a year of.
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Speaker 7: Rally's supporting Gaza and now Lebanon. Many of these protesters
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Speaker 7: say they are sick and tired of Israel's attacks on
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Speaker 7: Arab lands and there are again calling on the Australian
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Speaker 7: government to apply more diplomatic pressure and sanction Israel.
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Speaker 2: That is an ABC report, the reporter suggesting Israel is
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Speaker 2: just willingly attacking Arab lands without once mentioning it's in
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Speaker 2: fact attacking the terrorists who've been attacking it. So will
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Speaker 2: The Avenueza government also cracked on the ABC for any
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Speaker 2: what seems to me stuff, ignoring Hesbeala being a terrorist organization,
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Speaker 2: as if there is something desperately sick about this government
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Speaker 2: and no jew now is safe here. I'm not so
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Speaker 2: sure about the rest of us either, joining me is
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Speaker 2: the country's top foreign affairs right to Greg Sheridan of
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Speaker 2: the Australian, Greg, great to see you. Who is this
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Speaker 2: Hassan Nasherala that these protesters and mourners in Australia supporting,
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Speaker 2: And why did israelph only kill him?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 8: Nasrauela was the leader of Hezbollah for the last thirty
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Speaker 8: odd years. He was a protege of the Iranian government.
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Speaker 8: He was partly educated in Iran, he was trained for them,
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Speaker 8: and he was picked by the Iranian leadership to head Hasbala.
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Speaker 8: Now Hasbolar is one of the most murderous and savage
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Speaker 8: terrorist groups in the world, certainly one of the best funded.
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Speaker 8: It's been funded to many hundreds of millions of dollars
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Speaker 8: by Iran. It's one of the most heavily armed non
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Speaker 8: state actors in the world. It dominates southern Lebanon. It
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Speaker 8: takes no notice of the Lebanese government. It's utterly undemocratic.
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Speaker 8: It's killed hundreds of Americans and Israelis and French and
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Speaker 8: other people, Argentinians. It's conducted terrorism around the world. It
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Speaker 8: is pro scribe lived under Australian law and under American
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Speaker 8: law as an illegal terrorist organization. And Nosrala was an
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Speaker 8: embodiment of all the Islamist extremism at the head of that.
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Speaker 8: And he was also the perfect servant of Iran, and
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Speaker 8: his use to Iran was that he did whatever they
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Speaker 8: told them, whenever he told whenever they told him to
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Speaker 8: do it.
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Speaker 2: But now we have imported over the years a very
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Speaker 2: vocal minority that's going to back that is backing you
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Speaker 2: see it, even elicit terrorist group has Bulah. We've had
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Speaker 2: a couple of muftis that I know of backing Hezbullah.
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Speaker 2: How does this now get resolved?
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Speaker 8: Well, Andrew, I think this is a very serious situation,
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Speaker 8: a grave situation, So.
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Speaker 9: A couple of caveats.
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Speaker 8: What's happening in Lebanon is a tragedy and a lot
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Speaker 8: of innocent people will be harmed. It's entirely the moral
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Speaker 8: responsibility of Hezbollah. What nation in the world could you
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Speaker 8: fire nine thousand rockets at and not expect that ultimately
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Speaker 8: there would be a response. I think the Albanesi government
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Speaker 8: has given no moral or political leadership on this situation.
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Speaker 3: At any point.
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Speaker 8: They've been completely out of their depth in this. No
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Speaker 8: Albanesi cabinet minister has visited the sites of the Hamas
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Speaker 8: atrocities in Israel, as though they'd be embarrassed to express
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Speaker 8: that amount of solidarity with Israeli victims of Islamist terror.
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Speaker 8: And one of the reasons the situation on the streets
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Speaker 8: is very ugly is, in my view, although you can't
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Speaker 8: prove this, an absolute lack of moral leadership from Australian institutions,
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Speaker 8: first of all the government, but also our education system
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Speaker 8: which inculcates this kind of hatred of the West and
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Speaker 8: hatred of Israel as part of the West. And then
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Speaker 8: thirdly the ABC which has a great big anti Israel
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Speaker 8: ship on its shoulder, and the failure to give any
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Speaker 8: leadership at all on this from the Albanesi government. It's
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Speaker 8: shameful for Australia. Australia's position on this, which is much
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Speaker 8: more cowardly than that of our friendly governments the US,
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Speaker 8: Britain or even politically correct Canada, is a shameful thing
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Speaker 8: and it won't have any effect on the Middle East,
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Speaker 8: but it does have an effect on the Australian population.
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Speaker 2: Greg, I'm going to challenge you a bit here. It
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Speaker 2: has offered leadership. Unfortunately, is the leadership in the wrong direction,
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Speaker 2: because you've got Foreign Minister Penny Wong. She's been encouraging
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Speaker 2: the anti Israel haters, whether by design or accident, by
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Speaker 2: piling on to Israel herself. I mean, she failed to
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Speaker 2: support Israel killing Hispeloteria's with booby trapped pages, even though
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Speaker 2: it was a perfectly targeted operation. She seemed all distraughted
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Speaker 2: the killing of Nazareela certainly didn't support it, not publicly,
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Speaker 2: and she last week demanded Palestinian state be created right now,
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Speaker 2: even though Israel rightly believes it will almost certainly be led
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Speaker 2: by terrorists issues.
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Speaker 10: The world cannot wait. We cannot allow any party to
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Speaker 10: obstruct the prospect of peace. As I've said for many months,
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Speaker 10: Australia no longer seas Palestinian recognition as the destination of
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Speaker 10: a peace process, but a contribution towards momentum, momentum towards peace.
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Speaker 3: Greg.
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Speaker 2: It's true that Wang today condemned the Hesbe pro Hesbela
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Speaker 2: protests yesterday, but really she's been stoking the fire.
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Speaker 3: What is her game?
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Speaker 8: Well, Andrew, I want to be fair to Penny Wong.
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Speaker 8: I think that speech the un was the worst speech
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Speaker 8: of her life. It was a shameful speech. It was
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Speaker 8: unworthy of her and unworthy of Australia. But let me
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Speaker 8: add the caveats. She did denounce Hezbollah and Hummas as
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Speaker 8: terrorist organizations, and she did sort of say that her
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Speaker 8: objective was for Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace
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Speaker 8: and security, and she wanted Israel to live in peace
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Speaker 8: and security as well. However, in calling for a Palestinian
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Speaker 8: state immediately, she's just engaging in meaningless performative rhetoric. The
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Speaker 8: Palestinians have a whole series of positions such as the
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Speaker 8: right of return of millions and millions of Palestinian relatives
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Speaker 8: and descendants of anyone who ever lived in Israel to
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Speaker 8: go and live back in Israel, not in the new
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Speaker 8: Palestinian state. Well, obviously that means no Palestinian state can
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Speaker 8: come into existence right now, And they have a thousand
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Speaker 8: other positions which mean no Palestinian state can come into
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Speaker 8: existence right now, and dealing.
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Speaker 9: With all of that is hard work.
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Speaker 8: So if she is all of a sudden, you know,
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Speaker 8: the great champion of peace in the Middle East. I
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Speaker 8: have a series of questions for her.
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Speaker 3: Where have been her.
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Speaker 8: Speeches denouncing Iran for its sponsorship of murderous terrorism and
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Speaker 8: he Semitic terrorism in Hamas and hez Balah and the hooties.
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Speaker 8: You know, the hooties have a slogan, God is Great,
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Speaker 8: death to the United States, death to Israel, and a
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Speaker 8: curse upon the Jews, victory to Islam. Well as Petty
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Speaker 8: Wong had anything to say about that, And all of
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Speaker 8: a sudden she's concerned about the Middle East. What a coincidence,
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Speaker 8: just at a time when Labor is in danger of
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Speaker 8: losing a number of inner city seats to the Greens,
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Speaker 8: whose hostility to Israel is so exaggerated. Where is her
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Speaker 8: effort to put pressure on has Balah over the last
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Speaker 8: twelve months to stop firing.
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Speaker 3: All these rockets.
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Speaker 8: It's as if the only thing we can do, criticizes.
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Speaker 2: Your first question is the one Iran could bring peace
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Speaker 2: to the Middle East instantly but turning off the tap
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Speaker 2: to its surrogate terrorist groups an Iraq in Lebanon, in Gaza,
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Speaker 2: in the West Bank, in Yemen. Just say stop firing.
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Speaker 2: Peace in the Middle East, ISRAELID stop fighting. Bang, there
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Speaker 2: you have it, and she as you say what she said,
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Speaker 2: I can't hear it. Greg Sheridan, thank you so much,
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Speaker 2: indeed for your time. It seems a split is grown
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Speaker 2: between Anthony Albanezi and its Treasurer Jim Chalmers. Now the
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Speaker 2: premise today did of good news. The government's going to
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Speaker 2: post a better surplus than expected nearly sixteen billion dollars,
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Speaker 2: and that makes two surpluses in a.
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Speaker 4: Row, the largest back to back surpluses on record. So
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Speaker 4: I've managed to turn liberal deficits into labor surpluses and
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Speaker 4: that has assisted in putting that downward pressure on inflation.
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Speaker 2: Except if surpluses are so great, and they're pretty good,
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Speaker 2: why is this one going to be followed by ten
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Speaker 2: years of labor deficits? According to the labor the government's
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Speaker 2: own budget papers, And that's because in part the price
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Speaker 2: for io or has now dropped. The government actually got
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Speaker 2: lucky for a while, super high prices. Now the luck's
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Speaker 2: running out, and that may be why a treasure of
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Speaker 2: charmers us as Treasury Department to work out the costings.
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Speaker 2: If he now cappt negative gearing on rental homes, although
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Speaker 2: Charmers still refuses to exactly admit that is indeed what
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Speaker 2: he did.
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Speaker 11: Sometimes the advice comes unprompted. Sometimes it's sought by me
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Speaker 11: on this occasion, you know, when there's a contentious issue
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Speaker 11: in the public domain and then we've got a severe
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Speaker 11: shortage of housing. Of course, treasurers get advice from their
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Speaker 11: department on these sorts of issues.
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Speaker 1: And that's what's happened here five.
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Speaker 2: Times who refused to give a straight answer. But as
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Speaker 2: I said last week, it seems Albanis it was blindsided
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Speaker 2: when the news was seleak. The Charmers was indeed looking
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Speaker 2: to cap negative gearing, and albanies you try to rubbish
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Speaker 2: the idea Charmers that I even hinted that the work
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Speaker 2: on costly mischange had now been scrapped.
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Speaker 11: You're assuming that there's a piece of work that's been finished.
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Speaker 2: Joining mister Panel, Michael Kroeger, former Victorian Liberal President Michael Danby,
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Speaker 2: former Federal.
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Speaker 3: Labor MP Michael Danby, Cameron Milner.
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Speaker 2: Bill Shortan's former chief of staff, a Charmer supporter, a
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Speaker 2: regular commentator on the show, claims in his latest column
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Speaker 2: that all this leaking of the negative gearing being costed
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Speaker 2: and all that coming ahead of cha Charmer's trip to
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Speaker 2: China last week made Chalmers look like a leader on
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Speaker 2: the world stage, while back in Australia Alvinzy just looked
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Speaker 2: like a liar who didn't know what was going on.
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Speaker 2: Is Chalmers really trying to undermine alban Easy?
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Speaker 12: Well, they both have a corporate interest in not supporting
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Speaker 12: a crazy tax like this. That similar kind of thing
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Speaker 12: lost bill shortened the unlosable election. He's not called keating
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Speaker 12: when he went over to China. I could have told
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Speaker 12: him what he would discover in China. Hu Jinping is
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Speaker 12: a communist and that's the problem with the building industry
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Speaker 12: and with business in China. The communists have killed natural
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Speaker 12: Chinese entrepreneurship. So Jim's got big problems. I don't think
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Speaker 12: he's distinguished himself as a point of difference to the
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Speaker 12: Australian public from elbow, So I don't know how his
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Speaker 12: chances are after the next election, which, if you follow
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Speaker 12: the opinion poll, seems to be that Labor is in
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Speaker 12: a desperate position that it might have to go into
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Speaker 12: an alliance with the Teals.
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Speaker 2: Michael Craiger what is going on between those two guys.
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Speaker 13: Well, to be honest that I know, I'd like to
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Speaker 13: believe Capen and Milner because that would bring about a
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Speaker 13: lot of political instability at the head of the government.
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Speaker 13: But I think it's more of a stuff up than
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Speaker 13: a conspiracy.
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Speaker 3: But look, you've got charmers.
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Speaker 13: They're waffling on elbow, waffling on about whether this work
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Speaker 13: was commissioned or not. I mean, why is this such
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Speaker 13: a secret. And to hear that these treasure officials just
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Speaker 13: when they've got nothing to do, decide to go and
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Speaker 13: do all this modeling on their own, of their own volition.
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Speaker 13: And is anyone running the treasury or do these guys
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Speaker 13: just sit around Philly in the day with fantasies like this.
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Speaker 13: I think the problem is this, there's thirty four billion
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Speaker 13: dollars of servilces, which is great over the last two
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Speaker 13: years sixteen and eighteen, But the next four years Andrew
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Speaker 13: there are budget deficits of a hunt cumulative of one
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Speaker 13: hundred and twenty one billion. So he's got to call
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Speaker 13: an election before the next budget because they're trying to
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Speaker 13: give the impression that they know what they're doing about
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Speaker 13: this great economic management no, we've had two sevilances. But
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Speaker 13: if he has to deliver a budget deficit next year
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Speaker 13: of twenty eight billion, announce it before the election, and
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Speaker 13: then people focus in fact that that's twenty eight of
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Speaker 13: one hundred and twenty one people, I think maybe this
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Speaker 13: Charmers did get hit in the backside by a rainbow,
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Speaker 13: and that he's not very.
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Speaker 9: Good after all.
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Speaker 13: So I think they've got to call the election before
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Speaker 13: before there's a budget, preferably after an interstraight cut. But
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Speaker 13: you know, the short answer to your question is who
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Speaker 13: would know. I don't think they even know.
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Speaker 2: I suspect you are absolutely correct that they need the
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Speaker 2: election call before the budget where they have to admit
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Speaker 2: and that's cumulative deficits of one hundred and twenty four billion,
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Speaker 2: that's only over four years. Their budget paper says there
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Speaker 2: will be no surplus again for ten years.
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Speaker 3: The Dating Telegraph Michael.
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Speaker 2: At the moment as reporting that former Labor leader Kevin Rudd,
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Speaker 2: who's now our ambassador at Washington, has spent one hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars flying to other countries. There's a
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Speaker 2: kind of ambassador to the world, Michael Danby traveling to,
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Speaker 2: among other places, the Economic World Economic Forum in Switzerland,
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Speaker 2: a defense conference in London, flying with Wiki Leak's founder
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Speaker 2: Julia Sange as he was free from British jail to
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Speaker 2: Singapore to.
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Speaker 3: Mark the birth one hundred years ago.
22:52
Speaker 2: A former premise, Lee kwon Yem. Is he just doing
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Speaker 2: his job, Kevin Rudd or doing the Scott Morrison's a
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Speaker 2: whole lot of other jobs.
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Speaker 12: I think they're paying the price of keeping him him
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Speaker 12: quiet in Washington and not speaking on issues that would
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Speaker 12: undermine the Foreign minister. Further, I thought the trip from
23:13
Speaker 12: Washington escorting a sounge was completely unnecessary from London, what
23:19
Speaker 12: a complete waste of time. Maybe he was finding out
23:24
Speaker 12: from mister Osunge about the first interview that Julian Osunge
23:28
Speaker 12: did when he was hosting Russia Today program, which was
23:32
Speaker 12: with Andrew Sheik Hassan Nostrala.
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Speaker 3: Sorry to have but Kevin, did you ask him about
23:40
Speaker 3: shik Hassan?
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Speaker 2: Well, well, well, well look I thought there was ridiculous indulgence.
23:47
Speaker 2: Makes the money ambassador to London. In fact, they're called
23:51
Speaker 2: the High Commission, the Highmmission in London. Stephen Smith was
23:54
Speaker 2: on that flood already. Way they needed Kevin run as well.
23:57
Speaker 2: Heaven knows, what do you make of this? Look, I
24:00
Speaker 2: guess Michael Kroger that you know, Kevin Rudd is an asset,
24:06
Speaker 2: but gee, there must be short of assets that have
24:09
Speaker 2: him do all these other work on top of his
24:12
Speaker 2: being the ambassador to Washington.
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Speaker 13: Look, there were a lot better people to take on
24:17
Speaker 13: that position than him. He was a friend of Albanezy's.
24:22
Speaker 13: This was a captain's call because they were mates. He
24:24
Speaker 13: was deputy to.
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Speaker 1: Rudd.
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Speaker 13: This was, you know, a favor he did to him.
24:30
Speaker 13: Rudd is completely unsuited to this job. The only thing
24:34
Speaker 13: is it's lucky he hasn't blown up completely whilst his ambassador.
24:38
Speaker 13: But of course there's no reason he has to go
24:39
Speaker 13: to these other countries none whatsoever.
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Speaker 9: That's not his job.
24:43
Speaker 13: He is, as you say, not a world you know,
24:45
Speaker 13: he's not the world statesman, you know, you know, traveling
24:50
Speaker 13: the world at our expense. I agree with Michael Julianus Sarne,
24:53
Speaker 13: what was that all about? But look, as you know,
24:55
Speaker 13: in re my view about Kevin Rudd is the less
24:57
Speaker 13: time on this network we spent talking about him.
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Speaker 9: The better will all be.
25:01
Speaker 13: But I think I think he needs to I think
25:03
Speaker 13: he needs to come home and work on that Murdock
25:05
Speaker 13: World Commission that's gone south since since he since he left,
25:08
Speaker 13: it's all collapse, all collapsed.
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Speaker 9: There's no one left.
25:13
Speaker 2: There than you give him my ideas. We've got some
25:18
Speaker 2: peace to don't give him ideas. Michael Craig and Michaeldrey,
25:21
Speaker 2: thank you so much for you both. After the break,
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Speaker 2: two Aboriginal leaders of the campaign for the Voice now
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Speaker 2: blame white politicians, claim they these white politicians sideline black
25:34
Speaker 2: voices like them and that's racist.
25:36
Speaker 3: Well calling them out is Warren Mundine after this.
25:45
Speaker 2: In two weeks, it's going to be exactly a year
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Speaker 2: since Australian said no to the Voice, No to the
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Speaker 2: Albanezi government's plan to divide us by race in the
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Speaker 2: constitution by creating a kind of advisory parliament just for Aborigines. Now,
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Speaker 2: I think it's actually critical to learn the real lessons
25:59
Speaker 2: from that expensive face that divided the country and costs
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Speaker 2: US about four hundred and fifty.
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Speaker 3: Million dollars your money. But here we go again.
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Speaker 2: Some of the average leaders of that disastrous campaign are
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Speaker 2: now placing the blame on white politicians, specifically Anthony Albani
26:19
Speaker 2: is Impeter Dutton for somehow freezing them out and therefore
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Speaker 2: losing them.
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Speaker 3: This Voice Yes twenty three.
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Speaker 2: Campaign director Dean Parkin and Uhuru dialogue Cokevena Meghan Davis,
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Speaker 2: who had so much to do with writing the whole
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Speaker 2: proposal the Voice legislation, now blame the politicians for making
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Speaker 2: them somehow invisible in the debate, with Parkin playing the
26:43
Speaker 2: race card writing it became the opposition's arguably with the
26:45
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, we meaning averaging leaders weren't even respected enough
26:50
Speaker 2: as opponents to have a go at us. There is
26:52
Speaker 2: something very telling and dispissive of Indigenous peoples.
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Speaker 3: It was very demeaning.
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Speaker 2: I find that such a cop out because I remember,
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Speaker 2: for instance, being part of a debate with Parkin and
27:05
Speaker 2: I found he had no answers and not surprising, he
27:07
Speaker 2: made no splash in the campaign. More importantly, the No
27:10
Speaker 2: campaign was actually led by two people, both with Aboriginal heritage,
27:15
Speaker 2: who more than anyone else in this country, destroyed the
27:20
Speaker 2: S campaign. They were sentered since a Nampagma Price and
27:23
Speaker 2: Warren Mundine, who joins me now, weren't great to see you.
27:27
Speaker 2: So are these the Yes campaigners right that they and
27:31
Speaker 2: other Yes campaigners such as Marshall Langton and Old Pearson,
27:34
Speaker 2: all Aboriginal heritage were somehow rendered invisible that the white
27:39
Speaker 2: politicians took over and all this was dismissive of Aboriginal people.
27:44
Speaker 2: What lessons do you think we have from this?
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Speaker 14: They were as invisible as a streaker at the AFL
27:53
Speaker 14: Grand Final. I said from the very beginning of this
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Speaker 14: campaign back in September twenty twenty two that no matter
28:03
Speaker 14: what the result was, whether it was a yes or
28:06
Speaker 14: whether it was a no, on the Sunday, I was
28:09
Speaker 14: going to get out of bed and work with my
28:11
Speaker 14: opponents and the team and my team to actually fix
28:16
Speaker 14: things that are problems within within our community, the jobs, education,
28:21
Speaker 14: the health services, everything, and work on that and move forward.
28:25
Speaker 14: I think these people have got to stop.
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Speaker 1: Winging and complaining and blaming other people and actually look
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Speaker 1: in the mirror. It was their idea.
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Speaker 14: They're the ones who prosecuted their case, you know, And
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Speaker 14: they're the ones they had millions and millions.
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Speaker 1: Of dollars to spend.
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Speaker 14: They've still got millions of dollars left over from in
28:47
Speaker 14: their budget, and they're winging and complaining and about everyone.
28:53
Speaker 14: I just wrote a paper just in the last month
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Speaker 14: about the way forward. We have to go look at education, jobs,
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Speaker 14: the crime rates and the governance and that they get
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Speaker 14: it all fixed.
29:03
Speaker 1: What have they done.
29:04
Speaker 14: They've just winned and blamed everyone else for what's happening.
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Speaker 3: But this whole idea that somehow the campaign.
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Speaker 2: Was racist and dismissive, insulting by ignoring Aboriginal voices. Like
29:18
Speaker 2: I said, I can't you know, I can't recall count
29:23
Speaker 2: how many times that you and Justiner Pricer in the media,
29:27
Speaker 2: how many times you were on this show, how many
29:29
Speaker 2: times you're on so many other shows. Jacinta was everywhere.
29:32
Speaker 2: Basically you were listened to, all right. And on the
29:36
Speaker 2: other side of the S campaign, how many votes did
29:40
Speaker 2: Marshall Langton costs the S campaign. I would have been
29:43
Speaker 2: very happy for the S campaign to focus on her,
29:46
Speaker 2: But she was a disaster.
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Speaker 14: I see it, a dreadful disaster. Look, and she wasn't
29:52
Speaker 14: the only one. There's a whole group of that. If
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Speaker 14: they were Bernie, if they weren't out there attacking people,
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Speaker 14: abusing people, then they were attacking and abusing themselves.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 14: Look, I just wish they'd actually, you know, grow up
30:09
Speaker 14: a bit and start focusing on Australians. You know, it
30:14
Speaker 14: was obviously in this campaign they didn't understand Australians. They
30:18
Speaker 14: didn't know anything about Australians. In fact, they hardly ever
30:22
Speaker 14: met Australians. We were out there every day doing at
30:25
Speaker 14: least five interviews a day, two rallies a day, in
30:29
Speaker 14: some cases two states a day, out there talking to
30:33
Speaker 14: people on the ground because we wanted to talk to
30:35
Speaker 14: the Australian people. Because the corporates weren't with us, the
30:37
Speaker 14: law society wasn't with us, the Bar Association with US,
30:41
Speaker 14: football clubs weren't with us.
30:43
Speaker 1: You know, all the.
30:44
Speaker 14: Rich end of town and inner city people weren't with us.
30:47
Speaker 14: But we went out there and talked to people. In fact,
30:49
Speaker 14: we were we were on twenty percent when we kicked
30:52
Speaker 14: a campaign off, and they were on eighty percent. But
30:55
Speaker 14: we went out there and spoke to the Australian people,
30:58
Speaker 14: listened to them, saw going on, and we come up
31:02
Speaker 14: with solutions and everything. And the first thing was people
31:07
Speaker 14: did not want to put race in the constitution. They
31:11
Speaker 14: wanted everyone to be treated equal, they wanted everyone.
31:14
Speaker 1: To be peded equal.
31:15
Speaker 14: And the other big thing, which I can't understand that
31:19
Speaker 14: Yes campaigns are still carrying on about is all Australians,
31:23
Speaker 14: whether they Yes voters or no voters, told us quite
31:26
Speaker 14: clearly that way wanted things fixed and that's what they
31:30
Speaker 14: should be doing now.
31:31
Speaker 1: They should be working with us.
31:32
Speaker 14: I'm happy to work with them to actually get clear outcome.
31:36
Speaker 14: So we fix all these issues and we move forward.
31:39
Speaker 14: You know, look, it's twelve months nearly twelve months.
31:42
Speaker 1: Stop winging about it.
31:44
Speaker 14: Let's start moving forward and actually fixing things.
31:49
Speaker 2: Well and fixing it as people together instead of varting
31:52
Speaker 2: us by race. And I'll tell you what this gues
31:54
Speaker 2: insult the fact that the Minister for Indigenous Australians in
31:58
Speaker 2: this debate was Linda Bernie was a self of Aboriginal
32:02
Speaker 2: heritage and we sure listened to her, and that was
32:04
Speaker 2: one of the problems of the S campaign. She too
32:07
Speaker 2: had no answers. Warrmandin just quickly used to be the
32:10
Speaker 2: national president of the Labor Party. Can you explain how
32:14
Speaker 2: it's become so anti Israel and so weak in challenging
32:19
Speaker 2: the due hatred we now see on our streets. We've
32:26
Speaker 2: lost Warren. I'm sorry about that. We'll have another talk
32:30
Speaker 2: to Warren about that later it maybe in the week
32:32
Speaker 2: or next week after the break.
32:35
Speaker 3: The ABC crossed.
32:36
Speaker 2: The line yesterday and have I got some amazing footage
32:41
Speaker 2: to show you about that, And.
32:43
Speaker 3: Every liberal MP should watch.
32:46
Speaker 2: And realize this bias the national broadcast that cannot stand
32:56
Speaker 2: in Australia. We're strong enough. We won't be destroyed by
32:59
Speaker 2: our enemy. These what we will be destroyed by our
33:03
Speaker 2: institutions if they don't resist. That's the real weakness. Now
33:07
Speaker 2: let me go back to that ABC report and the
33:10
Speaker 2: disgusting pro Hesbela protests yesterday.
33:14
Speaker 3: A terrorist group. Listen, here's a terrorist scrup It.
33:16
Speaker 2: Was a report that didn't mention the chants for Hesbelah
33:20
Speaker 2: were being made, the flags were being flown, didn't mention
33:23
Speaker 2: the threats of Jews, didn't mention the Hesbelas in fact
33:26
Speaker 2: the terrorist group. That's far more than eight thousand rockets
33:28
Speaker 2: and missiles in Israel since October seven, which is why
33:31
Speaker 2: his Israel has now hit.
33:33
Speaker 3: Back and said you got this.
33:35
Speaker 7: Many of these protesters say they are sick and tired
33:38
Speaker 7: of Israel's attacks on Arab glands.
33:42
Speaker 2: But if you thought that's bad, here's the ABC's Afternoon
33:45
Speaker 2: briefing report today after this all blew up about the
33:48
Speaker 2: Hebela flags and no and despite what you might think,
33:51
Speaker 2: it is not a parody.
33:55
Speaker 15: Also at home, police investigations are underway into whether criminal
33:59
Speaker 15: laws were broken by protesters who bore Hesbella flags and
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Speaker 15: images in the big Australian cities yesterday as a listed
34:07
Speaker 15: terrorist organization. That's not supposed to have happened, and it
34:11
Speaker 15: might not have happened had it not been for the
34:14
Speaker 15: latest onslaught of bombing by Israel in Lebanon as it
34:18
Speaker 15: took out Hesbella's leadership.
34:20
Speaker 9: We will get some analysis.
34:23
Speaker 2: Is there nothing those wicked Israelis can't do? Now? They're
34:28
Speaker 2: even forcing people to support terrorists in Australia. Joining me
34:34
Speaker 2: are Damien Courry, a corporate communications consultant, hosts of his
34:37
Speaker 2: own video podcasts. The other side, Stephen Treva, an author
34:40
Speaker 2: and senior lecturer in history a CAMPI in college teaching
34:43
Speaker 2: Western civilization fast disappearing before our eyes. Stephen, thank you
34:48
Speaker 2: for drawing my attention to that later last one there.
34:53
Speaker 3: How do reports like.
34:54
Speaker 2: These to get onto the ABC and what should be
34:57
Speaker 2: done about it?
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Speaker 16: Well, I mean the ABC has been going anti Israel
35:03
Speaker 16: since the nineteen eighties, as has the BBC over in England.
35:08
Speaker 16: And so the fact of the matter is there's just
35:10
Speaker 16: a lot of people at the ABC who think this
35:12
Speaker 16: is perfectly unbiased reporting, and that's how these things get on.
35:16
Speaker 16: I mean, you would have thought that a journalist with
35:18
Speaker 16: any sense of curiosity would have asked people in the
35:21
Speaker 16: crowd who are eulogizing Hassan nasra La, who said that
35:26
Speaker 16: the attack Hamas on Israel was a heroic act. You
35:33
Speaker 16: would think a journalist would ask them about that. Do
35:35
Speaker 16: you think that that was a right? Do you agree
35:36
Speaker 16: with what he says? But nothing like that? What can
35:39
Speaker 16: be done about it? A short answer is very little.
35:41
Speaker 16: I'd like to see an independent commission looking into systemic
35:45
Speaker 16: bias in the ABC on maybe four or five key issues,
35:49
Speaker 16: for example, the voice, the Arab Israeli issue, climate, even
35:54
Speaker 16: go as far back as the same sex marriage issue,
35:56
Speaker 16: and maybe even the American election. Analyze those and look
36:00
Speaker 16: for bias.
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Speaker 2: But Damien put you on the spot. You did work
36:05
Speaker 2: for the ABC. I don't blame you. I forgive you're here.
36:09
Speaker 2: I worked on the ABC as a gift, So there
36:11
Speaker 2: you go. But I think to me, look, I'm a
36:15
Speaker 2: bit hardcore now because I see so much of this.
36:17
Speaker 2: I think the Liberals have got to give up in
36:19
Speaker 2: the idea of the ABC can be reformed. It can't
36:21
Speaker 2: be reformed. It cannot be reformed. In that case, what
36:24
Speaker 2: are you going to do? What would you do?
36:28
Speaker 17: I don't think we can have another inquiry. I mean,
36:30
Speaker 17: I support what Stephen's saying, you know a lot. I
36:33
Speaker 17: mean I think that that systemic cultural, systemic problem, it's
36:36
Speaker 17: very deep, it's under the surface.
36:39
Speaker 9: But I think we're way past that point.
36:41
Speaker 17: I was really pleased to see the very strong position
36:44
Speaker 17: that James Patterson, the Home Affairs Shadow Minister.
36:47
Speaker 9: And the Peter Dutton took on this matter today.
36:50
Speaker 17: There are clear laws that have been broken here and
36:52
Speaker 17: the fact that our ABC didn't even know that and
36:54
Speaker 17: didn't report on that is just beyond comprehension and beyond justification.
37:00
Speaker 17: This is deliberate bias by omission. There is no question
37:05
Speaker 17: that the ABC is a way off charter here and
37:07
Speaker 17: way out of bounds. What we need to see from
37:10
Speaker 17: Peter Dutton is very strong leadership on the ABC. He
37:14
Speaker 17: needs to do what Pierre Potev, the leader of the
37:16
Speaker 17: Conservative Party in Canada has done and come out and
37:19
Speaker 17: say we're going to cut the ABC budget by a
37:22
Speaker 17: billion dollars. That's what Pierre polyv said about the CBC budget.
37:26
Speaker 17: Interesting that that fellow that was reporting on this, Soroun.
37:29
Speaker 17: I don't know where he's from or who he's from,
37:30
Speaker 17: but I put money on it that he's probably once
37:32
Speaker 17: worked for the CBC and a lot you would never know,
37:35
Speaker 17: but there you go. Yeah, okay, so Katar, But I
37:39
Speaker 17: think Andrew, you know, we've got to get across. You know,
37:43
Speaker 17: there's two things that the Yellen people say. The Liberal
37:45
Speaker 17: Party will say if we if we criticize the ABC,
37:48
Speaker 17: we'll say we're going.
37:48
Speaker 9: To cut their budget. They'll hammer us. Well, they're hammering
37:50
Speaker 9: you anyway.
37:51
Speaker 3: They hammer the Liberal Party all the time.
37:54
Speaker 17: And the political bias exists. It's never going to go away,
37:58
Speaker 17: So take it on deal with exactly.
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Speaker 2: Understruck Stephen, the federal government has passed the law around
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Speaker 2: the country you cannot show the Nazi flag, even though
38:11
Speaker 2: we're talking about a political party that was destroyed nearly
38:14
Speaker 2: eighty years ago, eighty years ago in Victoria, New South Wales,
38:19
Speaker 2: and go to jail for a year for showing the
38:21
Speaker 2: Nazi flag here and this morning and this apparent backlip
38:25
Speaker 2: the Federal Police this morning said well, you know we're
38:29
Speaker 2: going to host that. They try to host down the
38:31
Speaker 2: reports that the AFP can now charge protests are showing
38:33
Speaker 2: the Hesbala flag, which is Sera's army right now, saying well,
38:37
Speaker 2: the mere public display of prohibited symbol on its own
38:40
Speaker 2: does not meet the threshold of the Commonwealth offense had
38:43
Speaker 2: to involve things like, you know, spreading ideas of racist
38:45
Speaker 2: superiority of threats and all that kind of stuff. This
38:48
Speaker 2: afternoon though, after the media and the liberals got involved,
38:51
Speaker 2: backflip it said it's going to get at least six
38:54
Speaker 2: reports of crime referred to it, but from Victoria police
38:57
Speaker 2: relating to these protests and even thank the Victorians.
39:02
Speaker 3: What is going on?
39:03
Speaker 2: How come we do not treat our police, do not
39:06
Speaker 2: treat or our laws do not treat a terrorist flag
39:10
Speaker 2: from eighty years ago. That's more serious than a terrorist
39:14
Speaker 2: flag of a group operating right today.
39:18
Speaker 16: Well, I'm afraid that a lot of police in Australia,
39:20
Speaker 16: or the police forces in Australia are going to wind
39:23
Speaker 16: up like police forces in Britain and England in particular
39:26
Speaker 16: basically just afraid of, let's be frank, Islamic communities. You've
39:31
Speaker 16: got two tier policing over in England and that's what
39:34
Speaker 16: we don't want to have here. But it could be
39:36
Speaker 16: emerging because of sheer fear of upsetting this community and
39:40
Speaker 16: just not knowing how to deal with it once it
39:43
Speaker 16: becomes out of control. It's a terrible thing to say,
39:46
Speaker 16: but I think that's got a lot to do with it.
39:48
Speaker 16: So we need to avoid that kind of two tier
39:50
Speaker 16: policing here. And again this always comes back.
39:53
Speaker 9: To an immigration issue.
39:54
Speaker 16: What we need to avoid in Australia, and we can
39:57
Speaker 16: actually do it. It's not too late for us avoid
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Speaker 16: building Islamic communities that are so big that they become
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Speaker 16: uncontrollable by the police in the event that events over
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Speaker 16: in the Middle East become really out of control.
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Speaker 2: Where that is indeed, that is indeed the fact that
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Speaker 2: Damien it is true.
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Speaker 3: I mean.
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Speaker 2: The Nazi Party is not a current threat to Australia.
40:22
Speaker 2: I mean a few guys in type black shorts, you know,
40:25
Speaker 2: fat guys maybe, but HESBLA is a current outfit, terrorists outfit,
40:31
Speaker 2: and you can show the flag and not necessarily break
40:33
Speaker 2: the law, whereas with the Nazi flag you can't.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's extraordinary.
40:39
Speaker 17: I mean, we do have these hates this hate symbols legislation.
40:43
Speaker 17: So the public display of the terrorist organization. You can
40:45
Speaker 17: show the Palestinian flag, that's okay, any sort of state
40:50
Speaker 17: flag is fine.
40:52
Speaker 9: But I would have thought this is, you know, a
40:54
Speaker 9: terrorist symbol.
40:55
Speaker 17: And also, as James Patterson pointed out earlier today, there
40:59
Speaker 17: was also Hamass logos on display. There was the Al
41:03
Speaker 17: Cassan Brigade logo on display. I mean, this is a
41:06
Speaker 17: clearly terrorists symbols. So it's a breach of the existing laws.
41:10
Speaker 17: But isn't it funny we're not policing the existing laws.
41:13
Speaker 17: They want to bring in more misinformation laws and police
41:17
Speaker 17: us for criticizing this or speaking out against this. It's
41:20
Speaker 17: two tier elbow. It's two tier elbow. We're there, we're
41:24
Speaker 17: all very well put. But Damien, this is the thing,
41:26
Speaker 17: this is the principle.
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Speaker 2: It's easier to police the peaceful than it is to
41:32
Speaker 2: police a group of very angry guys in the street.
41:36
Speaker 2: That's what you're seeing, Damien Currie, Stephen TREVERA thank you
41:39
Speaker 2: both for your time. After the break just when we've
41:42
Speaker 2: got supporters is and as terrorists taking over our streets.
41:44
Speaker 2: The Albertizi government announces it's actually hard an expert to
41:48
Speaker 2: fight your fear of Islam.
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Speaker 3: This is amazing. I talked to the author of a
41:54
Speaker 3: new book on this madness.
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Speaker 2: Now Vorn for more than twenty years now my columns
42:03
Speaker 2: and speeches, that a new Jew hatred is growing in
42:05
Speaker 2: the West, in Australia, in the left. But even though
42:09
Speaker 2: I've been stunned by how bad it's got and so fast,
42:13
Speaker 2: and it's not just among Muslims, like this preacher of
42:16
Speaker 2: course last October, after hearing how asteris has just killed
42:19
Speaker 2: twelve hundred Jews, which is what actually started this.
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Speaker 18: War, smiling and I'm happy. I'm in Hayden. It's a
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Speaker 18: day of courage.
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Speaker 8: No.
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Speaker 2: Hating Israel's become very popular also with the left, broadly
42:45
Speaker 2: with the young, with school children, and hating Israel with
42:49
Speaker 2: such venom and such ignorance that often I can't tell
42:53
Speaker 2: the difference between their hatred of Israel and a hatred
42:57
Speaker 2: of Jews. And all this is and more is a
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Speaker 2: brilliant new book by a friend and long term guests,
43:03
Speaker 2: and the show O'Neil from a Spike Online who is
43:06
Speaker 2: now published after the poet program, which is isn't so
43:10
Speaker 2: much about the massacre last October, but the West reaction
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Speaker 2: to it. Brendan O'Neill joins me, now, Brindan, great to
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Speaker 2: catch up with you again.
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Speaker 3: What a great read.
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Speaker 2: But I have to say there's a note of despair
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Speaker 2: in the this from you and like almost a real anger.
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Speaker 2: You talk about the rise of a new barbarism.
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Speaker 3: What's causing it? Do you think?
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Speaker 19: Yeah, I really think there is a new barbarism, a
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Speaker 19: culture of barbarism. And the point I make in the
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Speaker 19: book is that on seventh of October twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 19: there were two explosions of barbarism. There was her Massa's
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Speaker 19: attack on Israel, which was the worst act of anti
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Speaker 19: Jewish slaughter since the Holocaust. And then there was the
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Speaker 19: celebration of a Mass's attack in many areas of the West.
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Speaker 19: You know, we had leftists in Britain referring to it
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Speaker 19: as a day of celebration. We had people dancing in
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Speaker 19: the streets of London, and of course in Sydney and
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Speaker 19: in Paris and in Berlin. We had newspaper columnists making
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Speaker 19: excuses for her Mass and what they had just done
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Speaker 19: in southern Israel. So the point I make in my
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Speaker 19: book is that this event, the pogrom of seventh of October,
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Speaker 19: confirms something we already knew, which is that her Mass
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Speaker 19: is a due hating machine that poses as a national
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Speaker 19: liberation movement. But it also exposed the rot in our
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Speaker 19: own societies, the rot, the moral confusion and the moral disarray.
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Speaker 19: And I think our chickens are coming home to roost.
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Speaker 19: I think if you encourage the young, in particular to
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Speaker 19: turn their backs on the gains of Western civilization, to
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Speaker 19: be anti Western, to be fashionably against their own societies,
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Speaker 19: then you can't really be surprised when they are at
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Speaker 19: tempted by the law of barbarism, when they look at
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Speaker 19: her Mass and see something almost worth celebrating. So seventh
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Speaker 19: of October is exposed just how profound the crisis of
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Speaker 19: civilization is in our own society.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I agree, absolutely, there's a wider context of the
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Speaker 2: demonization of the wisk not with the values and all
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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 3: It's hard for academics.
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Speaker 2: Oh, we were just kidding about that about you know,
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Speaker 2: being a racist, colonial terrible appressive regime. Please please don't
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Speaker 2: sell us out too late. Now we're told by protesters
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Speaker 2: that oh, no, no, no, Brendan, we're not anti Jewish,
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Speaker 2: We're just anti Israel, or that we're anti Zionists. Do
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Speaker 2: you see a difference?
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Speaker 19: Increasingly, No, I really don't. And in fact, one of
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Speaker 19: the chapters in my book makes the case that anti
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Speaker 19: Zionism is anti Semitism. Anti Zionism is the mask that
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Speaker 19: antisemitism wears in the twenty first century, because if you
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Speaker 19: look at the criticisms that are made of Israel, they
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Speaker 19: are very similar to the kinds of comments that were
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Speaker 19: once made about the Jewish people. You know, we are
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Speaker 19: told that Israel is a uniquely blood lusting nation, equally
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Speaker 19: murderous that echoes the old blood libels that were once
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Speaker 19: issued against the Jewish people. We're told that Israel loves
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Speaker 19: killing children, just as we were told that Jews used
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Speaker 19: to kill Christian children. We are told that Israel puppeteers
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Speaker 19: world affairs. It has America and Britain eaten out of
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Speaker 19: the palm of its hand, which echoes the old Nazi
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Speaker 19: idea that the Jews were secretly controlling the world. You
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Speaker 19: know when people say that the Zionists run the media,
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Speaker 19: and the Zionists run world politics, and the Zionists are
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Speaker 19: behind everything, just because they're using the Z word, shouldn't
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Speaker 19: let them get away with the fact that they are
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Speaker 19: repeating old conspiracy theories and old racist tropes that were
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Speaker 19: traditionally said about the Jews. So I increasingly see the
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Speaker 19: animus towards Israel at which some people will refer to
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Speaker 19: as Israeli phobia, as a new form of anti Semitism.
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Speaker 19: It's the form anti Semitism now takes. And for left
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Speaker 19: wingers and supposed anti racists to be on the street
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Speaker 19: shoulder to shoulder with radical Islamists who are calling for
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Speaker 19: the destruction of the Jewish state, it is so shameful.
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Speaker 19: It has heaped shame on our society. Since seventh of October.
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Speaker 2: I'm afraid I'll be earning a PostScript to your book
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Speaker 2: with a court case, suspect.
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Speaker 3: We'll talk about that later.
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Speaker 2: Where are institutions in this Brendan? Here we have our
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Speaker 2: labor government attacking Israel, not defending it, slow to call
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Speaker 2: out the hate preachers, and in fact implying that Muslims
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Speaker 2: are the real victims here our governed today. Can you
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Speaker 2: believe this appointed in islamophobia envoy as if fear of
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Speaker 2: Islam is probably just racist brendan and a huge problem,
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Speaker 2: what do you think is happening there?
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Speaker 19: I think that I don't accept the idea of Islamophobia.
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Speaker 19: I simply don't. There is anti Muslim bigotry, of course
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Speaker 19: there is, just as there is anti Catholic bigotry, anti
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Speaker 19: sekh bigotry. One should never be bigoted or hateful towards
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Speaker 19: a group on the basis of their religious beliefs, or
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Speaker 19: their national heritage or anything else. Of course, I hope
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Speaker 19: that goes without saying. But Islamophobia is something different. This
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Speaker 19: is an invented term which is largely designed to prevent
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Speaker 19: criticism of a religion to punish blasphemy. Essentially, it's a
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Speaker 19: blasphemy law by the back door. And I really don't
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Speaker 19: like the way in which Islamophobia is compared to anti Semitism.
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Speaker 19: Anti Semitism has got long routes, it's one of the
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Speaker 19: world's oldest patriots. It has called a death of millions
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Speaker 19: of people, and Islamophobia is much more about censoring those
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Speaker 19: who hold.
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Speaker 2: Views all of the scale is incomparable Brennan O'Neil, great book.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on the show. I'd
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Speaker 3: love to catch up with you. Thank you. That's it
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Speaker 3: from me now, Sherry Maxon