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Boom or Bust Players for 2026 + Injury Expert Will Carroll talks Strider, Yesavage & Stowers IL stints · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Dan Zimborski is the senior writer for Fangrafts. Excited to
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  Speaker 1: have him on the show talking about the just released
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six Booms and Bus. Let's talk about that. Dan,
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  Speaker 1: good to be with you on the Pitchers dropped tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: So let's start with the boom.
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  Speaker 2: So do you have Well, this is always a fun
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  Speaker 2: piece for me because I'm a math guy, so there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of hedge betting at any given time, and
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  Speaker 2: I always like to write an article or two where
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  Speaker 2: I have a very real risk of looking incredibly stupid.
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  Speaker 2: Some of my picks last year were, let's just say,
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  Speaker 2: did not work out at the top. I have Andrew
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  Speaker 2: Vaughna the Milwaukee Breweries, which, as I said, is also
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  Speaker 2: kind of a cheat, but he's one of those players.
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  Speaker 2: I think that the projection system do you see on
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  Speaker 2: Fangrafts or Baseball's perspectives, I don't think they've really taken
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  Speaker 2: into consideration how much his approach changed when he went
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  Speaker 2: to Milwaukee last year from when he was in Chicago.
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  Speaker 2: It was a world of difference in his approach at
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  Speaker 2: the play. I have Carter Jensen, I have Bryce Terrang,
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  Speaker 2: I have Justin Crawford, Matt McClain. I always kind of
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  Speaker 2: go out there on a limb with a guy or two.
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  Speaker 2: I picked Kemp Alderman of the Miami Marlins, who probably
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  Speaker 2: has no chance of getting meaningful time in the majors,
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  Speaker 2: but he's interesting and I like interesting you.
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  Speaker 3: The one name on the list was Jordan Lawler. Jordan
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  Speaker 3: Lawler being a boom? What does that mean when you're
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  Speaker 3: when you're a guy that could have had a position
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  Speaker 3: if they didn't bring kateel mar teback. Now you're possibly
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  Speaker 3: changing positions. Are you saying Jordan Lawler just is a
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  Speaker 3: good player and if he gets a chance, he could boom.
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  Speaker 2: I think he could be a really good player. He
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  Speaker 2: could be a starting outfielder. He's been pretty solid out there.
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  Speaker 2: It's gotta be tough for him because at different points
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  Speaker 2: he could have been the second baseman, the shortstop, or
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  Speaker 2: the third baseman for the Diamondbacks. None of that came
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  Speaker 2: to pass for obvious reasons, and I think given Perdomo's
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  Speaker 2: emergence last year, he's almost forgotten in some regards that
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  Speaker 2: people forget how good a prospect he was. He did
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  Speaker 2: have injury issues, his shoulder, his hamstring, his thumb. I
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  Speaker 2: think that there's a real good chance that he has
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  Speaker 2: a big season, and he's one of those guys who's
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  Speaker 2: pretty advanced that he could be in the you know,
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  Speaker 2: the rookie of the Year mix depending on how things
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  Speaker 2: work out.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Bryce Terrang on this list, he's pretty good already,
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  Speaker 4: isn't he is? He's supposed to get even better. I
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  Speaker 4: mean you said Andrew Vaughn was a layup. I mean
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  Speaker 4: Bryce Terrang. He showed what he could do in the WBC.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like that was more of the layoup for
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  Speaker 4: me than Andrew Vaughn.
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  Speaker 2: Well. I think with Terrang one of the things we
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  Speaker 2: saw with him is that his exit velocities increased a
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  Speaker 2: lot over the course of the season. I think he
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  Speaker 2: could be an even better player because I think there's
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  Speaker 2: still some untapped full season home run power that we
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  Speaker 2: could see because he hit a lot of home runs
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  Speaker 2: in the second half compared to the first half, which
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  Speaker 2: was consistent with the exit velocity data and the swing
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  Speaker 2: rate stuff we get from stack cast. I think he
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  Speaker 2: could be, you know, a twenty five to thirty home
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  Speaker 2: run guy while still maintain any of the things he
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  Speaker 2: already does well and so for me, that does constitute
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  Speaker 2: a breakout. But again, I'm a writer. I like to
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  Speaker 2: cheat a little bit when I get a chance.
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  Speaker 4: And obviously Kaglione, if Kaglione could just make contact, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he's gonna hit forty homers if he just makes enough
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  Speaker 4: contact and can get in the zone enough. But we
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  Speaker 4: saw it in the WBC kind of like with brys
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  Speaker 4: ter Ring right when he makes contact, the ball goes
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  Speaker 4: really far and really hard. But then teams just don't
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  Speaker 4: throw him strikes and he chase up and then he
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  Speaker 4: chases down. He's just ultra aggressive if they can reel
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  Speaker 4: him in. I mean that that seems like one that
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  Speaker 4: could go off the charts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he showed a lot of growth last spring
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  Speaker 2: training the Royals, advancing through the minor leagues very quickly
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  Speaker 2: out of college. He's one of those guys I think
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  Speaker 2: that once he consolidates his games, he will show improvement.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he's ever gonna be the most scientific hitter,
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  Speaker 2: but hit ball go far is not the worst strategy
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  Speaker 2: in the world.
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  Speaker 3: If he can pull it off, you don't need to
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  Speaker 3: be scientific. If you're six' five incredibly good looking in
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  Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty. Pounds so what about what about the?
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  Speaker 3: Busts Because i'm not even gonna go down your list
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  Speaker 3: of bus there's one on. Here i'm gonna Save alana
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  Speaker 3: the time and energy from saying. It you Have Freddy
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  Speaker 3: freeman on the bust, list and you are gonna need
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  Speaker 3: to explain.
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  Speaker 2: Yourself, well the saying is whatever can't go on forever.
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  Speaker 2: Won't and the fact is he is going to turn
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  Speaker 2: thirty seven before the season. Ends and you did see
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of deterioration in some of his plate discipline.
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  Speaker 2: Stats his contact rate took a big. Dip and that's
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  Speaker 2: one thing you see historically that older, players when you
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  Speaker 2: start seeing their contact rate, change even if they start
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  Speaker 2: from a high place or a low, place that that
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  Speaker 2: tends to trumpet some trouble. AHEAD i don't think he's
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  Speaker 2: going to be terrible or, anything BUT i think that
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  Speaker 2: we've been spoiled by his almost lack of aging in
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  Speaker 2: the last five or six. Years BUT i think there's
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  Speaker 2: a real answer that this is the year that we
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  Speaker 2: really start to See freeman. Slide towards His cooperstown, speech
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  Speaker 2: how dare? You how dare?
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  Speaker 1: You he was dealing with an ankle. Injury he had
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  Speaker 1: a left rib injury as. Well he also said at
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  Speaker 1: spring training when Foul territory was, there when we talked to,
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  Speaker 1: him that he was absolutely irked that he did not
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  Speaker 1: finish the season with at least a three hundred. Average
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  Speaker 1: he wants to finish his career as A. DODGER i
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  Speaker 1: think that you just lit a fire under, him my,
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  Speaker 1: friend you better take him off the.
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  Speaker 2: List, hey IF i led a fire to someone and
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  Speaker 2: they have a good season because they're mad at, me
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of a victory in the.
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  Speaker 1: End what About Spencer steer, though what do you think about?
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  Speaker 1: Him that's going to be a bust coming off. Injury
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  Speaker 1: what do you think more about that he's one.
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  Speaker 2: Of those guys who's kind of a tweener and that
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  Speaker 2: his offense isn't really that great for the positions he
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  Speaker 2: plays well and he's not really a third base but
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  Speaker 2: he's not really an. Outfielder he's The Red sea to
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  Speaker 2: like him more than is, justified AND i think they
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  Speaker 2: really should be looking to move. On he strikes me
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  Speaker 2: as more of a fourth outfielder role player type long
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  Speaker 2: term than someone who really should be Starting The reds
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of offensive. PROBLEMS i think when you
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  Speaker 2: get Past Lady La, cruz And i'm not Sure steer
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  Speaker 2: really helps things though the way they are. Now i'm
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  Speaker 2: positive About Sal. Stewart he's someone who was really close
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  Speaker 2: to making My booms, list BUT i did have to
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  Speaker 2: edit it down to manageable.
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  Speaker 3: Size one of the other bus Was Jacob, wilson who
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  Speaker 3: would have been The rookie of The year had they
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  Speaker 3: not called up the giant at his kerts and he
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  Speaker 3: ran away with The rookie of The. Year but what
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  Speaker 3: About Jacob wilson's? Game do you FEEL i could take a?
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  Speaker 3: Regression is it just the second half that he had last?
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  Speaker 2: Year that's a. Concern but one of the things with
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  Speaker 2: the really good contact, hitters the ones who were you,
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  Speaker 2: know naturally, gifted is there SOMETHING i always call the
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  Speaker 2: contact rate death, spiral because once you can show that
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  Speaker 2: you can hit almost, anything then that temptation to hit
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  Speaker 2: almost anything kind of becomes a problematic if unless you
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  Speaker 2: work around. IT i think long term he will be
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  Speaker 2: fine and he will work with. That BUT i think
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  Speaker 2: back On David. Fletcher now he's a better player Than David,
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  Speaker 2: fletcher but As David fletcher's contact rate went, up the
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  Speaker 2: pitches he went after got worse and, worse and his
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  Speaker 2: contact became weaker and weaker and less, effectual and that
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  Speaker 2: kind of spelled the end Of David. Fletcher he went from,
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  Speaker 2: being you, know having a really niche role as an
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  Speaker 2: underrated second baseman to basically being out of the majors
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  Speaker 2: in two. Years Luis arraiz has kind of the same,
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  Speaker 2: thing where he's making great, contact but he's hitting worse
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  Speaker 2: and worse, pitches and he's his pitches the balls and
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  Speaker 2: player becoming less and less, effectual it actually becoming. Hits
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  Speaker 2: that's a risk For. WILSON i do think he'll overcome,
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  Speaker 2: it BUT i think that there will be some growing
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  Speaker 2: pains and we might have what we would call the
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  Speaker 2: sophomore slump. Year SO i think it just won't look
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  Speaker 2: as good as twenty twenty five. Did.
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  Speaker 1: Dan if you had to put all of your eggs
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  Speaker 1: in one boom basket and one bust, basket where are
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  Speaker 1: your eggs?
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  Speaker 2: GOING i think For, Boom i'm going to go With.
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  Speaker 2: CAGNIONE i don't. KNOW i was all in On kagnon last.
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  Speaker 2: Year this might just be me being annoyed THAT i
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  Speaker 2: was wrong BECAUSE i was pushing for The royals to
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  Speaker 2: call him up. QUICKLY i was On Casey radio several
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  Speaker 2: times talking about, that and that did not work out last.
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  Speaker 2: Year so there's there's a little bit, of you, know
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  Speaker 2: vengeance factor on the stats to think about for The
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  Speaker 2: for The, busts it's not quite as, sexy BUT i
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  Speaker 2: Think anderhar is the. Riskiest there's a lot of air
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  Speaker 2: in their. Stats last, year he had what an eight
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  Speaker 2: thirty something ops and it's really hard to look at
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  Speaker 2: the stackcast, data the hit, data the peripheral, data his
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  Speaker 2: batting average and balls and play and seeing him able
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  Speaker 2: to maintain that. NOW i don't think The padres had
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  Speaker 2: much of a choice given their payroll, situation BUT i
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  Speaker 2: Think anderhar it's gonna be a big disappointment offensively this.
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  Speaker 1: Year you have Two royals on your boom. List are
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  Speaker 1: they winning The? Central it's wide.
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  Speaker 2: OPEN i think The tigers are still the, favorite BUT
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  Speaker 2: i would not be surprised at all by The royals
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  Speaker 2: winning the. DIVISION i KNOW i get accused of being
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  Speaker 2: too mean to The, royals but this is a good.
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  Speaker 2: Team they have a really stable pitching. Staff even If
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  Speaker 2: he's in the most exciting, rotation, especially but they have
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  Speaker 2: a deep they have that deep, rotation and if they
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  Speaker 2: can get some offensive, upside because they already Have, wit
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  Speaker 2: they already Have. Garcia If cagliowan breaks, out If Carter
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  Speaker 2: jensen has a big rookie, year all of a, sudden
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  Speaker 2: that's a pretty decent offensive. Team and they were not
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  Speaker 2: a decent offensive team last. Year SO i think a
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  Speaker 2: team is. UPSIDE i would pick The tigers right, now
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  Speaker 2: but it wouldn't take that many nasty surprises for The
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  Speaker 2: tigers to put The royals right.
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  Speaker 4: There by the, way you Have oseel twove on. You
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  Speaker 4: that dude hits three hundred every. Year let's get off
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  Speaker 4: the old. Guys, okay he hitched To hall Of famers
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  Speaker 4: on this list for, BUS i mean if he doesn't
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  Speaker 4: hit three thirty with, THIRTY i mean he hits two
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  Speaker 4: ninety with, twenty does that have a bust.
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  Speaker 5: YEAR i don't know.
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  Speaker 2: If that would be a bus BUT i think you
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  Speaker 2: look at at second basement, historically and they do those
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  Speaker 2: middle infielder types when they start to, fade they Gou
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  Speaker 2: you look at the peripheral X lug, data the ONE
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  Speaker 2: i calculated had similar that there was just a lot
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  Speaker 2: to not be a fan of in twenty twenty. FIVE
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  Speaker 2: i don't have a problem with the old. GUYS i
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  Speaker 2: MEAN i became an old. Guy i'm gonna be fifty
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  Speaker 2: in a couple of, Years so no no agism, here all, Right.
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  Speaker 5: Dan last one for.
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  Speaker 3: Me next year when you write your, article can you
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  Speaker 3: please put what the bust line is and what the
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  Speaker 3: Boom wait a, minute don't say bus, line, sorry and
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  Speaker 3: the boom line is like you could come back at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the year ago Whoa Jack Kigleon he
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  Speaker 3: had thirty homers but he hit two? Thirty, like can
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  Speaker 3: you give us like a like a boom line and.
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  Speaker 5: The other one line, also SO i don't repeat the
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  Speaker 5: same THING i just.
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  Speaker 2: Said, YEAH i could probably put that in stone so
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  Speaker 2: THAT i can't, escape which is always the risk of.
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  Speaker 2: Anyone he does projections, perfect all, Right, Dan thank you so.
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  Speaker 1: Much Jen zienborski of, course senior writer For. Fangrass we appreciate.
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  Speaker 1: Off we're joining now By Will, carrol the host Of Injury.
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  Speaker 1: Out hate that we have to have you on for. This,
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  Speaker 1: well it's good to be with. You but, Man Spencer,
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  Speaker 1: stridd seems like you can't catch a break on THE
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  Speaker 1: il at least to start the season with an oblique,
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  Speaker 1: strain and we certainly know that those things are. Tricky
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  Speaker 1: what more can you tell?
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  Speaker 5: Us, yeah this is a simple oblique. String we're not
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  Speaker 5: sure exactly how or when it, happened but For strider
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  Speaker 5: and The braves it really doesn't. Matter this is going
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  Speaker 5: to be about a. Month he's going to have to
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  Speaker 5: not only let that. Heal those are very tricky in
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  Speaker 5: those first couple. Weeks we've learned very quickly over the
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  Speaker 5: years that you don't want to have a quick. Setback
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  Speaker 5: too many times guys are trying to come, back trying
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  Speaker 5: to throw too, early trying to hit too. Early it's
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  Speaker 5: any rotational, activity and that's pretty much the entire game of.
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  Speaker 5: Baseball so For, strider this is another one where some
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  Speaker 5: of the things that make him great might act against.
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  Speaker 5: Him he is just so muscle bound you worry a
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  Speaker 5: little bit about, flexibility and he's had. Problems obviously that
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  Speaker 5: isn't why he had ucl, surgery but he has had
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  Speaker 5: a number of muscular, injuries and for guys of that physical,
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  Speaker 5: type we see that pretty. Regularly BUT i think The
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  Speaker 5: braves they've certainly got some. OPTIONS i heard them talking
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  Speaker 5: About didi Or. Fuenttes not sure he's going to get
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  Speaker 5: the call up right at the, start but we'll see
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  Speaker 5: exactly where this. Goes strider will be BACK i would
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  Speaker 5: say probably Mid.
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  Speaker 3: April, hitters obviously you hear with obliques pictures anytime there's an,
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  Speaker 3: injury it's really how long you're. Out, yes it has to,
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  Speaker 3: heal but how long do you think he's unable to actually?
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  Speaker 3: Throw because that's WHEN i look At even if a
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  Speaker 3: pitcher's down for seven, days his ramp up before he
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  Speaker 3: even gets on the mound is fourteen days after. That
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  Speaker 3: so if he's down for a month of not, throwing
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  Speaker 3: it's a long long. Time more than so with a,
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  Speaker 3: hitter Where it's, like once he gets, going they can
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  Speaker 3: ramp it, up but they have to be one hundred.
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  Speaker 3: Percent so is their ability to throw during this time
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  Speaker 3: or is it just like a hitter where you can't
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  Speaker 3: have that.
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  Speaker 5: Rotation you can't have the. Rotation he'll do some things
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  Speaker 5: to try to keep the arm, going to keep the
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  Speaker 5: chronic workload in, there but you're exactly, right he's gonna
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  Speaker 5: have to have a Ramp that isn't as big a
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  Speaker 5: deal as it used to. Be teams aren't saying these
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  Speaker 5: guys have to be ready to go sou and they
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  Speaker 5: have to be ready to go. Eight they're perfectly happy
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  Speaker 5: if they're going out there for four, five because pretty
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  Speaker 5: much that's a normal start these. Days but there is
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  Speaker 5: going to have to be some ramp. Up and we're
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  Speaker 5: seeing more and more organizations that really understand these kind
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  Speaker 5: of chronic, workloads how to manage, those how to keep
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  Speaker 5: everything in balance and hopefully see less arm injuries we have.
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  Speaker 5: Seen this is one THING i haven't seen talked about
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  Speaker 5: is the spring numbers On Tommy john surgeries are significantly,
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  Speaker 5: down like cut in, half and nobody seemed to have an.
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  Speaker 5: Answer why.
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  Speaker 4: When did we start worrying about The braves and what
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  Speaker 4: they're doing as an organization because striders have been. Hurt you,
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  Speaker 4: know obviously they've already Lost schwellenbach, Again Smith schwarva is already.
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  Speaker 4: Down it's just one after. Another Ronaldo lopez went. Down
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  Speaker 4: sale wasn't the same last? Year when did we start
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  Speaker 4: worrying about The braves and all their injuries that they've
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: had as an, organization because it's not only, pitchers also position.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: Players they've had guys go down and. Coulding obviously the
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: freaking meat.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: Things riley miss, time all missed, time, RIGHT i, mean
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: it's just like one after another with this.
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: Organization. Yeah, absolutely and they've got a good medical, staff
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: but at some point results? Count is? It the players
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: aren't set up? Right with A, Kunya you've got to
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: think maybe that's a genetic thing that he just had
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: weak knees and when he got into those, positions both
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: of them. Went you kind of think back To Manny,
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: machado who had knee problems early in his career on both,
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: sides just As akuna. Did but it's had a really,
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: great Possibly hall Of fame career after, that you don't
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: see any sort of Pattern it's not like we're seeing
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: a whole bunch of hamstring. Injuries there's one year where The,
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: yankees like eight of their fifteen top guys had hamstring
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: injuries because they were doing completely new sprint series for
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: their new strength. Coach there's no known thing, here but
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: you do have to look at the full. System are
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: these guys not in the kind of? Shape are they
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: in the wrong shape to be playing? Baseball AND i
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: know that sounds, weird but sports science is, very very.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: SPECIFIC i know people inside the. Organization i'm asking that
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: question right.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Now you said about being muscle, bound and obviously you
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: know everyone talks About strider and his tight pants and
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: then they show first shot is his. Quadzillas is there
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: a is there fact to WHAT aj AND i have
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: said for a long, time like you can't pull? Fat
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: is there a like is there a percentage of body
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: fat that players you feel like should have or is
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: it all just about flexibility and strength and how that combines.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: A little of. Both you, know you don't have to,
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: be you, know a body. Builder you don't have to
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: be buff and jacked to be a. Picture but it.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: Does you, know it's not Bad, Spencer strider is certainly.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: Good we're seeing more and more athletic pictures. Now you
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: don't see the guys who look Like i'm gonna date myself,
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: Here Rick. Russell you just don't get The David. Wells
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: you don't get those guys out there that much. Anymore
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: but that said, it it's not about a body. Type
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: it's not about a fat. Number it's not about how
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: big or strong you. ARE i can remember looking at
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: pictures years ago there was one at The All Star
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: game OF i think it Was Pedro, Martinez Greg, Maddox Roger,
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: clemens And Randy. Johnson and these guys don't look like
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: the same, species let alone the same. Occupation so there's
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: not one. Type what it comes down to, you and
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: this is an absolute is. Function can you do the
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: things you have to, do and not only, that can
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: you do them over and over and over and over
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: without BREAKING i always hear pitching is not a natural.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: Emotion overhead throwing is not a. Natural it's exceptionally national.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: Natural people have been doing it for centuries, hunting throwing
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: rocks at a. Rabbit but what's not natural is doing
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: it from a mound at one hundred miles an hour
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: over and. Over that's the problems that we have is
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: this all comes down to very very specific.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Function, well we have a question here in our chat
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: From sicilian eighty. Seven he wants us to specifically ask
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: you about Trey Ya savage's shoulder. Impingement so Obviously slope,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: playing Trey Ya savage coming up last, year meteorically on the,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: scene obviously a good future ahead of, him but also
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: just The jay's slew of pitching. Injuries let's start with
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: You savage.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: First, yeah He savage is an interesting one because shoulder
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: impingement tends to be something of a garbage. Diagnosis you
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: say it when there's nothing else to. Say something's, inflammed
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: something got. Pinged we don't know the exact. Specifics but
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: with You, savage it has been that long ago since
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: it was in the, draft AND i can remember teams
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: talking about that strange. Motion it was strange then when
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: they didn't realize how effective it. Was but he did
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: have shoulder problems both HIS i forget whether he came
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: out as a. Jender his last two years of, college
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: he had some shoulder problems that held him. Back that's
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: why he dropped to The j's in the, draft so
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: he does have a history of. This he is going
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: to be throwing later this, week so it's certainly not
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: looking like a long term. Problem but these, impingements it's
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: really more of a symptom rather than a. Diagnosis they've
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: got to figure out what's, swelling what's causing the, problem
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: and get that out of it at the, root rather
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: than just having to treat the symptoms over and. Over
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: you can treat inflammation very, easily you, know pop an ad,
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: bill get a dose, pack but it's not sustainable over
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: the long.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Term you talked about his awkward, motion questioning. It do
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: we look at an awkward motion that was extremely successful and,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: say oh, man you, know maybe that's going to be an,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: injury or do we look at the t spine location
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: and based on how far his head?
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: Is you, know.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Should should the public know more about what teams are
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: looking at so that you can, say, okay well you
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: know what he throws exactly like somebody who throws with
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: their head. Upright the difference is he's just coming more
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: at this.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: Animal, yeah you can go to The Chad bradford extreme
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: where you Know Chad. Bradford if everybody remembers. Him he
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: wasn't a side arm, pitcher he wasn't a submarine. Pitcher
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: he just bent at the waist so far that his
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: knuckles were scraping the. Ground and, YEAH i think we
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: should know more about. Biomechanics And i'm SURE aj has
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: watched his good Friend Chuck wolf on my Last Injury territory.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: Show for, You, savage it's an unusual. Motion it's not,
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: bad and do you change it at this? Point he's
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: done it for all these. Years it's more difficult to
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: change a picture at this stage than just figure out
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: what's going wrong with. It so the fact that somebody like, You,
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: savage is unusual to the point that he's such an outlier,
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: BIOMECHANICALLY i don't think it's bad until he starts to.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: Break and at that, point what's the least you can
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: do to get him back to a healthy. Point, alana
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: you brought up the rest of the injuries over. THERE
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: i think they're slow Playing bieber to get him. Back
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: watch his workload after him going Into october last. Year
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: i'm all worried about bury us because that stress reaction
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: in his elbow is an unusual one and it's not
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: like he's gonna stop Throwing.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Hey if you hit the age where everything feels a
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: little bit more difficult The jim, yes but everything like
• 22:14
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  Speaker 4: You hey on The Blue, Jays Max scherzer has talked
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: To Ken rosenthal about his how he learned he started
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: playing the piano and made his thumb.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Better.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Right he told me, this AND i actually asked him
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: about it on the, air AND i forgot what he
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: had told, Me and then he told me he had
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: to Tell ken. First so Kudos max for telling talking
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: To ken about. It BUT i had forgotten he had told,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: me AND i had forgotten what he had told. Me
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: so is this a? Thing is this a good way
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: for him to? WORK i, MEAN i know he said
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: that now that the story came. OUT i remember him
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: saying he did it kind of as a thing with his,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: kids and then he's, like, wait this made my hand
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: feel better and then he was able to pitch.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: Again is this the thing going?
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: Forward teams can look at as odd ways to rehab, stuff.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: You, Know?
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: YEAH i think.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: SO i don't.
• 23:50
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• 24:02
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• 24:07
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• 24:10
  Speaker 5: if teams want to get a piano rather than flex.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: Progrips i'm. Sure i'm not sure how the cost works,
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: out but, yeah anything that, strengthens anything that gets him
• 24:21
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• 24:25
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• 24:28
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• 24:29
  Speaker 3: PITCHERS i have one general injury question because it's the
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: beginning of the, year because we're talking about. Injuries no
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: matter what the largest contract is in, baseball no contract
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: will ever supersede the injury. Contracts do you feel like
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: there's not enough because if a manager doesn't win A World,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: series he gets. Fired trainers don't keep their team. Healthy
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: they just come back the next year because it's freak.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Injuries should there be or win will there be in
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: the next like ten. Years an organization that, says, okay
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: we're putting more on certain people so that we can
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: devalue or so we can take away all the extreme
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: value lost in.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: Injuries, yes there are teams that do. That we've seen
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: more turnover in the sports, science sports, performance the medical.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: Departments we've seen more directors of sports, performance directors of athletic,
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: training people that oversee. IT i had an interview With Nick,
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: kenney who's NOW i forget the title they gave. Him
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: he used to be the head athletic. Trainer now he
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: kind of oversees all the operations on that side of. Things,
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: YEAH i do think they're holding people more. Accountable it
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: used to be kind of a job for. Life it's
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: certainly not. That and more we're seeing more and more
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: young people get into. It we're seeing people coming from other.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: Sports there are teams that are bringing over people out of,
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: soccer out Of olympic. Sports so there are teams that
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: are taking this more. Seriously there are teams that are
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: seeing better. Results they are teams that are just saying
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: part of the. GAME i can remember a general manager
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: telling me that every dollar he spent on something that
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: wasn't payroll was a dollar. Wasted SO i don't think
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: teams yet see the sunk cost as a problem because they're,
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: saying you, know there are all the contracts are, guaranteed
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: few of them are. Insured they're willing to tolerate next man,
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: up not realizing the next man up wasn't as. Good so,
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: YEAH i think more teams need to take this. Seriously
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: it's one of the things That i've been pounding the
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: table for for twenty, years, Right.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: WELL i haven't been on with you, yet So i'm.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Interested is that a bourbon collection behind? You are those
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the things that are cheering your injury? Ailments what do
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: we got going on behind?
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: You, yeah that's my home. Bar and it's not just,
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: bourbon but there are. Some but, yeah when you talk
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: to people about doom and gloom all, Day i'm a
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: happy little grim. Reaper so we have to have a
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: little sip of something to get me through the day
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: As i'm dealing with more tray savage, injuries more picture.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: Injuries but, yeah everybody's got to have a. Hobby, LISTEN
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: i get.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: It your collection kind of rivals that of my husband's
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: as well when it comes to. Bourbon BEFORE i let you,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: go The marlins Outfielder Kyle, stowers he's going to start
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the season on the il with the hamstring. Injury and
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: will you know better than most hamstrings to, me are like.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Obliques they're.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Tricky what more can you tell us about this particular
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: injury and perhaps the timetable for.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: Him, yeah it's gonna be a couple weeks on. This
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: he's been dealing with this off and, on and that's
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: one of the reasons they're dealing with. It it's grade,
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: one so it's the lowest. Grade it's writing a belly
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: of the. Muscle what they don't want this to become
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: is a problem that. Recurs that's the word you have with,
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: hamstrings you, Know, Eric back to your, point teams are
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: not very serious about hamstrings and. Acls there are hamstring
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: AND acl prevention programs that in studies over and over
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: soccer team spend time on hamstrings AND acl prevention programs
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: and have seen fifty percent. Reduction, now acls aren't a
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: huge problem in baseball the way they are for THE
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: nfl or football in, general but ham strings. Are and
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: there's not a lot of preventive work for stours this.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Month they're hoping we'll keep them going through the next
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: five six months of the season because The marlins have
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: certainly a long term timeline with the players that they
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: think will be there next. Time they're.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Good, well BEFORE i let you go, out you mentioned
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: that teams aren't spending money and need to look into.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: This do you think and it's, changed AND i get
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: it's for the. Better you, know you have preventive, programs
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: and you have, messuses and you have, acupuncturists and you
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: have chiropractors, now, Right but WHEN i and again this
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: is not to be the old, man get off my.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: LAWN i was told don't go in the training. Room
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: you don't go in the training. Room you figure out
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: how just to play no matter. What and now guys
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: are going in before they even get hurt to, say oh,
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: afraid my hamstrings is gonna get.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Hurt and again there's no right way or wrong. Way
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: this is the way it. Is and teams think it's.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: Better but do you think there should be more of
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: an emphasis, on, hey, guys let's try not to get
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: hurt and not you, know because it's AGAIN i don't
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: want to judge anybody because everyone has a different.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: Pain, tolerance, right BUT i know.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: This one of the biggest sayings that we ever had
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: was you can't make the club and the tub, right
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: which meant if you're going to the training. Room and
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: we Had hermschneider who didn't want you in the training,
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: room one of the nicest guys in the, world but
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: he would make it just awful to go in there
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: because he'd be, like if the pain in the rehab
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: is worse than you trying not to get. Hurt so
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: do you think that this is why so many guys
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: maybe hamstrings or obliques or whatever it. Is And i'm
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: a guy that did an oblique later in my career
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: AND i was out two weeks and came back and played.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Right but is? That is there anything to?
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: That and Maybe i'm way, off And i'm fine being way.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: Off it's just the mindset has. Changed the mindset has.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: Changed we don't Have hermschneider, anymore one of the all time.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: GREATS i actually did an artic, well this was back
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: WHEN i was With Sports, illustrated showing that he was
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: kind of like one of those subway punch. Cards he
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: had saved so much over a decade that he had
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: paid for an entire season's. Payroll so that, guy all
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: time great should be in The hall Of. Fame one
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: of the, things and you know this from being around,
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: him is he was very focused on the. Preventative he
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: was very focused on making sure people were, symmetrical that
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: they were in, balance that they were doing the kind of.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: THINGS i think we need to have more of a
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: focus on the preventative rather than the rehab because prehabs,
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: hard you're already. Hurt the most predictive thing about injuries
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: is having been. Injured so if we could keep people
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: from being. Injured we talked about the thirty three percent
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: of pictures that have Had Tommy john. Surgery we haven't
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: figured out what the other sixty six percent are, doing,
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: Right SO i think there's a lot more we could.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: DO i think we could put a lot more. MANPOWER
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: i think teams could. Share that's one of the things
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: that they don't. Do if somebody finds, something it's a state.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: Secret SO i think there needs to be a lot
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: more of a research focus and figuring out what those
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: best practices. Are well good.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Stuff always appreciate the insight of.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Course oh go, ahead.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Will talk to my, Guy Chuck. Wilf he'll tell you
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: his thoughts On Tommy. JOHN i mean said had him
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: on the last. SHOW i know he'll tell you what
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: he thinks about. IT i, mean that was the guy
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: THAT i worked out with all off, season and he was.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Great he was he was movement, based he was, strength movement.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: BASED i mean he was he was one of the. Best, so,
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: yeah enourage everybody.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: To watch that. Show it came out Last. Friday, okay all,
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: right we'll check it.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Out, Will, Carol we appreciate it very. Much, guys don't
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