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Credlin | 4 July · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Petero Krandland live on Skyins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show. Look an eventful day
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Speaker 2: in our national capital. I'll get you across everything that's happening. Importantly,
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Speaker 2: the political fallout that's going to play for us right
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Speaker 2: up until election day is what's coming up on Kredlin.
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Speaker 2: But a payment or she made it official today quitting
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Speaker 2: Labor to sit on the cross bench as an independent,
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Speaker 2: she says, for now, capping off a horror week for
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister. But questions remain as to when exactly
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Speaker 2: set it a payment, first considered making the move and.
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Speaker 3: Did she jump or was she pushed?
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Speaker 2: More on that later, a serious security breach by anti
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Speaker 2: Israel activist at Parliament House, and yet again Labor looks
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Speaker 2: slow to respond, the Prime Minister silent on the matter,
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Speaker 2: indeed until question time. This is supposed to be one
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Speaker 2: of the most secure buildings in the country.
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Speaker 3: So what's happened?
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Speaker 2: Plus people across the UK heading to the polls, which,
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Speaker 2: if posters are correct, will be a bloodbath for the Tories.
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Speaker 2: I'm joined a bit later by free speech fighter Toby Young,
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Speaker 2: who's here all the way from London. He's taken what
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Speaker 2: we can expect when the results roll in, and shortly
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Speaker 2: joining me Opposition Leader Peter Dutton for his take on
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Speaker 2: the parliament House security breach. He certainly didn't mince his
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Speaker 2: words in question time today.
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Speaker 4: We need to send a very clear message that it
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Speaker 4: is completely and utterly unacceptable in our society, in our democracy,
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Speaker 4: that we would see those messages hanging from the front
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Speaker 4: of this Parliament. They are anti Semitic. River to the
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Speaker 4: Sea is a statement about wiping out, eliminating a race
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Speaker 4: of people. Let's be very clear about.
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Speaker 3: It, as I said Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 2: Coming up, But first, an eventful day in Canberra as
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Speaker 2: the Parliament wrapped up for the winter break, and a
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Speaker 2: bad day again for labor as they closed out what
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Speaker 2: was supposed to be a big week of handouts designed
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Speaker 2: to shift their poor polls. We'll start with those protests
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Speaker 2: headed up by individuals dressed like terrorists with their faces covered,
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Speaker 2: standing on the roof of our nation's parliament. It's been
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Speaker 2: a long time since there's been a parliamentary security breach
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Speaker 2: like today that had pro Palestinian protesters draping their hateful
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Speaker 2: River to the Sea banners from the facade of a
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Speaker 2: building that's supposed to represent our country and no one else's.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what's worse the fact that these protesters
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Speaker 2: and there were dozens too on the.
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Speaker 3: Forecourt as well as the four on.
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Speaker 2: The roof, are on the same side as an apocalyptic
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Speaker 2: death cult rather than the only liberal democracy in the
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Speaker 2: Middle East, or they're simply woeful ignorance of history.
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Speaker 3: And then the highly.
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Speaker 2: Antipate anticipated resignation of Senator Fatima Paymen just after two
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Speaker 2: o'clock when the Prime Minister was safely out of reach
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Speaker 2: and in questioned time.
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Speaker 5: Unlike my colleagues, I know how it feels to be
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Speaker 5: on the receiving end of injustice. My family did not
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Speaker 5: flee from a war torn country to come here as
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Speaker 5: refugees for me to remain silent when I see atrocities
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Speaker 5: inflicted on innocent people.
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Speaker 2: In resigning from the Labour Party today, payment cited her
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Speaker 2: foundily's escape from Islamist oppression in Afghanistan. Yet somehow she's
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Speaker 2: found herself on the same side as the Islamist oppressors
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Speaker 2: of Gaza, who routinely murder the Ghazans.
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Speaker 3: Who disagree with them.
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Speaker 2: You'll note the conflation in today's protests of the alleged
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Speaker 2: dispossession of the Palestinians with the supposed theft of Australia
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Speaker 2: from its rightful owners. Now, don't these idiots realize there
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Speaker 2: have been Jews living and what they call Palestine for
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Speaker 2: thousands of years. When we celebrate Christmas the birth of
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Speaker 2: Jesus Boord, a Jew two thousand years ago in Bethlehem,
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Speaker 2: don't they look at a map and see the best
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Speaker 2: is in the West Bank. Naturally enough, there's great concern
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Speaker 2: over how such a protest could breach parliamentary security and
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Speaker 2: the predictable reassurances from the government that all's okay, all's fine.
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Speaker 2: But it can't be fine if the security perimeter perimeter
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Speaker 2: was breached, given it was only a few years ago
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Speaker 2: during my time, that hundreds of millions of dollars were
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Speaker 2: spent to make the building more secure. The AFP's Police
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Speaker 2: Association today blamed the breach on lack of police resourcing.
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Speaker 2: Now is that the problem has labor cut the AFP's budget.
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Speaker 3: What about CCTV.
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Speaker 2: What's the point of having CCTV coverage of the building
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Speaker 2: if intruders could reportedly scale fences without being noticed. Still,
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Speaker 2: my big concern is less governmental incompetence on parliamentary security,
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Speaker 2: as important as all of that is, and more about
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Speaker 2: governmental weakness on the issue of Gaza. Now, there was
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Speaker 2: a ceasefire on October seven which Harmas broke. The war
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Speaker 2: would end immediately if Hamas released its hostages, renounced terrorism
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Speaker 2: and accepted Israel's right to exist behind secure borders. So
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Speaker 2: why is our government always hectoring Israel and never Harmas.
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Speaker 2: We all know the reason, now, don't we Labour figures
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Speaker 2: from the Prime Minister down all frightened of offending Muslim
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Speaker 2: voters in Western Sydney who are being encouraged to judge
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Speaker 2: issues on the basis of their religion and not their nationality.
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Speaker 2: Regardless of their religion, all Australian voters should make judgments
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Speaker 2: on the basis of what they think is best for
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Speaker 2: our country. Yet Muslim voters in Western Sydney are being
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Speaker 2: urged to vote on the basis of religious and ethnic
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Speaker 2: solidarity with Gaza, and far from denouncing Islamic sectarianism, the
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Speaker 2: Amenezi government is pandering to it by as revealed in
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Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph today, this is just yet another example
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Speaker 2: dragging an Israeli ambassador to warn Israel from taking any
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Speaker 2: steps and self defense against the other terrrist state on
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Speaker 2: its borders Hesibla controlled parts of Lebanon. The Aolmenza government's
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Speaker 2: been consistently weak in refusing to take any action against
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Speaker 2: rampant anti Semitism now rife throughout our country. It's tolerated
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Speaker 2: the pro Palestinian encampments on our university campuses. The police
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Speaker 2: responds to today's protests on the Parliament's roof, will that
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Speaker 2: was embarrassingly limp Why aren't these law breakers simply dragged away?
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Speaker 2: It took almost two hours to get them down. And
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Speaker 2: why are racist anti Semitic protests even being tolerated? Perhaps
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Speaker 2: encouraged by official criticisms of Israel, as though Israel was
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Speaker 2: the aggressor here rather than the victim. Well, weaknesses and
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Speaker 2: working it's actually inflaming the situation and encouraging activists to
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Speaker 2: go even harder with rebels. Senator Fatima Payman now on
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Speaker 2: the crossbench. She says as an independent, when asked about
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Speaker 2: any involvement with the Muslim Vote campaign movement, here's what
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Speaker 2: Payment had to say.
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Speaker 5: Look, I'm not affiliated with this group. I've only had
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Speaker 5: one meeting with them, like I have many meetings across
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Speaker 5: the board with many community leaders and members, but I
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Speaker 5: don't have any intentions of, you know, collaborating with them
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Speaker 5: per se. And I haven't thought about it.
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Speaker 3: Okay, she used to be believed.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like her involvement in the Muslim vote vote
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Speaker 2: movement isn't as certain as media reports today might suggest,
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Speaker 2: but some say she's been working on quitting labor for months. Today,
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Speaker 2: in a press conference, she said crossing the floor only
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Speaker 2: happened on the spur of the moment.
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Speaker 5: Felt like an accusation where I've been planning this for
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Speaker 5: a month, because it's not true.
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Speaker 3: I have not.
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Speaker 5: That was the result that came out of my meeting
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Speaker 5: with the Prime Minister at the Lodge on Sunday, and.
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Speaker 3: I've got I'm a long way from commence.
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Speaker 2: So I spoke to people yesterday in Canberra who in
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Speaker 2: the chamber at the time, as she was heard getting
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Speaker 2: a message from another cross bench senator along the lines
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Speaker 2: of hang on, it won't be long now before the
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Speaker 2: vote and for.
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Speaker 3: A novice senator.
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Speaker 2: Her media appearance today was very well rehearsed, it was
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Speaker 2: practiced and the given way to me this week was
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Speaker 2: involvement of the preference whisperer, Glenn Drury, who specializes in
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Speaker 2: getting single issued candidates elected with a minuscule percentage of
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Speaker 2: the statewide vote. And today Payman well she confirmed her
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Speaker 2: meeting with Drury. Now, as I reminded you last night,
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Speaker 2: Payment got less than seventeen hundred primary votes at the
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Speaker 2: last election, but was elected third on the lay A ticket.
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Speaker 3: And here is what is interesting.
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Speaker 2: Here's what you need to know if as a sitting
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Speaker 2: senator she defects to a new Muslim party. Under the
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Speaker 2: rules as they stand, that new party would then not
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Speaker 2: have to get the normal fifteen hundred signatures required to
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Speaker 2: register as a political party in order to qualify for
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Speaker 2: public funding.
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Speaker 3: These are the.
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Speaker 2: AEC rules, the Electoral Commission rules. If a new party
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Speaker 2: already has an MP in the Parliament, all they have
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Speaker 2: to do is lodge a form and pay a fee.
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Speaker 2: No signatures required. And here's the giveaway on that point
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Speaker 2: today from payment.
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Speaker 5: At this stage, I do not plan to form a party.
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Speaker 5: And you know we'll stay tuned.
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Speaker 2: It's a giveaway, isn't it At this stage Watch this
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Speaker 2: space on top of the ramp and anti Semitis are
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Speaker 2: now obvious on the streets and campuses of this country.
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Speaker 2: The eruption of sectarian politics into our parliament would be
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Speaker 2: a grave threat to the social cohesion Australians once took
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Speaker 2: for granted. Or because the current government, the current Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister's too weak to call out religious extremism, of which
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Speaker 2: local support for Hamas is a shocking example.
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Speaker 3: A right.
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Speaker 2: As I said last day before the winter break, let's
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Speaker 2: get the headlines now with that cam Reddin in Canberra.
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Speaker 6: After days of speculation, Senator Fatima Payment has confirmed she
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Speaker 6: is leaving the Labor Party.
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Speaker 5: It's been quite a challenging time for me to console
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Speaker 5: the family but at the same time ensure my staff
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Speaker 5: and team were okay.
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Speaker 6: Her defection complicates matters for the government in the Senate
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Speaker 6: to pass bills, it would need support from the Greens
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Speaker 6: and now three independents, meaning Senator Payman's vote could make
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Speaker 6: or break some legislation.
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Speaker 3: We'll have to see.
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Speaker 5: It's really hard to tell without seeing the piece of
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Speaker 5: legislation that the party was yes okay.
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Speaker 6: Speaking to Sky News, Senator Payman says her meeting with
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Speaker 6: Preference Whisper at Glen Drury before she crossed the floor
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Speaker 6: was about seeking guidance and not because she'd already made
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Speaker 6: up her mind.
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Speaker 5: I've had so many conversations.
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Speaker 3: This was just one of Greennie.
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Speaker 6: Outside and above the Parliament, a group of four protesters
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Speaker 6: managed to jump a fence and walk onto the glass
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Speaker 6: roof of the Parliament House fore court. They remained there
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Speaker 6: for more than two hours, chanting and dropping paraphernalia in
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Speaker 6: the form of paper planes.
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Speaker 4: They should have been taken down immediately.
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Speaker 6: Eventually, running out of steam, they packed up their banners
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Speaker 6: and walked into the waiting arms of police.
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Speaker 7: They should face the full force of the law.
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Speaker 6: It's believed this was the entry point where the three
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Speaker 6: men and one woman gained access to the roof of
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Speaker 6: Parliament House. There are now calls for an urgent investigation
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Speaker 6: to prevent any future security breaches.
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Speaker 3: These pigeon spikes here.
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Speaker 1: They might stop a pigeon, but they're not going to
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Speaker 1: deter a fit, able bodied radical activist.
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Speaker 6: So what we saw up there was support for Hummus.
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Speaker 8: I personally spoken to the AFP Commissioner and requested a
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Speaker 8: thorough investigation into today's events.
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Speaker 6: All four have been charged with trespass and banned from Parliament.
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Speaker 6: For two years. Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right for their take now on the News, my
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Speaker 2: thairs Day, Regulars Media right off the Australian. Sophie Ellsworth,
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Speaker 2: Deputy Executive Director of the Institute of Public Affairs and
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Speaker 2: your wild Well, we'll start with that security breach of
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Speaker 2: Parliament House today Labor Slaughter respond Richard Mirles didn't even
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Speaker 2: appear on camera until lunchtime the Prime and no statement
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Speaker 2: until question time. The Greens already this week Daniel have
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Speaker 2: said that the desecration of a war memorial is a
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Speaker 2: matter for free speech. They wouldn't support a motion in
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Speaker 2: the Parliament. We saw in that footage there. The police
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Speaker 2: didn't go out there and get the protesters and bring
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Speaker 2: those banners in. They just waited until they decided that
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Speaker 2: they'd had enough that perhaps too cold in canber they
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Speaker 2: put brought the panners in and that's when they grabbed them.
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Speaker 3: What the hell's going on.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand why the police weren't there getting them down.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought us that hard that the protesters
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Speaker 1: can get up there. Surely the police can. But as
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Speaker 1: you know better than anyone, this is a serious breach
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Speaker 1: This is not a bunch of university students running around
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Speaker 1: the quadrangle. This is our National Parliament. As you mentioned,
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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of money has been spent on
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Speaker 1: improving the security.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what's happened here.
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Speaker 1: Presumably though somebody has on the inside has enabled them
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Speaker 1: to do this. Either they've scaled the building somehow with
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Speaker 1: some kind of assistance, or they've gone into Parliament and
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Speaker 1: gotten to the roof from there. But either someone on
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Speaker 1: the inside has given them intel to help them do this.
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Speaker 1: So there needs to be a proper investigation. And you know,
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Speaker 1: the timing of this is very suspicious to me. It's
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Speaker 1: at the same time roughly that set in a pain
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Speaker 1: and announced to resignation from the Labor Party. And I'd
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Speaker 1: hate to think that there was any coordination between a
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Speaker 1: sitting member and her or his office. But you know,
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Speaker 1: clearly an investigation needs to look at all of those
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Speaker 1: potential avenues.
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Speaker 2: And also I make the point those banners are huge,
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Speaker 2: right and you've got to go through security machines to
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Speaker 2: get into Parliament House.
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Speaker 3: So did they come.
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Speaker 2: Through in an MP Someone had to see you. You know,
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Speaker 2: they don't just come in your handbag. They've been deliberately
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Speaker 2: brought into the building. So I hope they go through
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Speaker 2: the cameras and see that there's not a connection with
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Speaker 2: any office in that building. Those images are going to
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Speaker 2: go around the world, aren't they like the Opera House
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Speaker 2: ones did.
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Speaker 9: It's embarrassing, Peter, I mean, that is a serious security breach.
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Speaker 9: The footage there makes us look like a laughing stock.
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Speaker 3: Australia looks like a joke.
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Speaker 9: Here is a very important building in our country, with
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Speaker 9: our most important politic and we've got people scaling it
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Speaker 9: and seemingly just going about their business up there with
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Speaker 9: no one doing anything. I mean, this will go viral
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Speaker 9: and really a shame on our parliament. I mean perhaps
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Speaker 9: they were hungover from the Midwinter Ball last night and
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Speaker 9: didn't have security.
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Speaker 3: You know, on their game. But how does that happen?
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Speaker 2: Well, I made the point there was a case in
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Speaker 2: Canada where there was a lone government and that's while
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Speaker 2: we beefed up our security here. If someone can do
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Speaker 2: that for such a length of time, you know, I'd
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Speaker 2: hate to think what else could happen?
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Speaker 3: You know, that's the breach. That's what worries me.
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Speaker 2: Fatom of payment, do you buy her lines today that
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Speaker 2: she will be on the cross bend. She said today
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Speaker 2: in an interview with our colleague Tom Connell that she
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Speaker 2: won't be joining the Greens. I think there's an open
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Speaker 2: question about a pro Muslim party, though. Do you think
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Speaker 2: this was a spare of the moment decision.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't appear that way. As you mentioned India editorial. It
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Speaker 1: seems like it was something that was rehearsed and thought
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Speaker 1: about for a long period of time. You mentioned the
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Speaker 1: prospect of a sectarian based vote or the growing so
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Speaker 1: called Muslim vote. This is very serious. It is completely
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Speaker 1: incompatible with representative democracy because your job as an elected
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Speaker 1: member is to represent everybody in your constituency, whether they
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Speaker 1: voted for you or not, whether they're Muslim, jew, Christian,
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Speaker 1: non believer, you need to represent all of them. Senator
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Speaker 1: Payment is a Senator for Western Australia. Her job is
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Speaker 1: to represent Western Australians. Do Western Australians feel like they're
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Speaker 1: getting proper representation? She said she wanted to be a
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Speaker 1: voice for Palestinians. How does that work in a representative democracy?
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Speaker 1: What about those who don't share her views in Western Australia.
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Speaker 1: So what we're seeing and I think this growing sectarian
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Speaker 1: vote is a bigger threat than the Communist Party of Australia,
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Speaker 1: which Sir Robert Mensis sought to ban and narrowly lost
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Speaker 1: in a referendum in nineteen fifty one. But this is
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Speaker 1: because they're trying to operate outside side of the boundaries
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Speaker 1: of our normal parliamentary processes, just like the Communist Party
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Speaker 1: sought to And.
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Speaker 2: We've seen this play out very much to the UK.
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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens overnight with the Labor vote, but
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Speaker 2: we know the UK Muslim Party equivalents. They want to
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Speaker 2: ban Islamophobia. Now that's not just highly negative or hate
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Speaker 2: speech criticism of Islam, it's any criticism of Islam. That's
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Speaker 2: where we're headed if we're not alive to this. Daniel,
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Speaker 2: you make the point. I think she was well rehearsed today.
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Speaker 2: I think it was a very practiced press conference and
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Speaker 2: I think she is being used in a way here
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Speaker 2: as the useful idiot by a collective of Muslim male
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Speaker 2: activists who are in the throes of putting together a party,
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Speaker 2: and because she's in the Parliament, they'll have a rails
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Speaker 2: run now much easier path with the Electoral Commission rules.
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Speaker 3: And she's a young senator.
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Speaker 9: I think she's twenty nine, Peter, she's relatively new to politics.
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Speaker 9: But really embarrassing too for them Labor Party that they
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Speaker 9: didn't come out with a strong stance on this earlier
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Speaker 9: and they let it drag on for days, I mean,
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Speaker 9: not forgetting where at the start of a new financial
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Speaker 9: year they really wanted to plug these tax cuts that
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Speaker 9: were all getting They wanted to have all this positive
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Speaker 9: spin on news and everything has been derailed by Senator
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Speaker 9: Payment's actions.
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Speaker 2: I know you hate new taxes when you hate any
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Speaker 2: sort of taxes, and you're an absolutely hardcore conservative in
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Speaker 2: that case, Daniel. But there's talk today of a sugar
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Speaker 2: tax on soft drink confectionery, the whole box and dice.
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Speaker 2: I don't think Australian is going to afford much more
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Speaker 2: at the moment anyway. But this is going to hit
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Speaker 2: lower income people more than ever.
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Speaker 3: Isn't it.
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Speaker 1: Well, you're right, I mean, the last thing we need
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Speaker 1: is another tax. We're already over taxed, over governed, over regulated.
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Speaker 1: It will probably hit the lower income the hardest, and
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Speaker 1: it's not even going to do what the health lobby
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Speaker 1: says it's going to do because if you increase the
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Speaker 1: cost of sugar based meals or items, people will substitute
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Speaker 1: to other things that are potentially even worse for their health.
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Speaker 1: And it also gets to this point, Look, adults need
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Speaker 1: to make their own decisions. You don't have to agree
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Speaker 1: with someone else's choice to say that they're allowed to
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Speaker 1: eat things and drink things that you yourself may not
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Speaker 1: agree with. That's the whole basis of a free society.
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Speaker 1: So look, I don't think and you know, with.
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Speaker 2: Kids, if you're talking about childhood obesity issues, the seven
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Speaker 2: or eight year old kid who's eating junk food, it's
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Speaker 2: getting the mother from the money from their parents. It's
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Speaker 2: not like they've got a part time job at seven.
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Speaker 2: So is parental responsibility there as well?
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Speaker 3: Isn't there? Well?
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Speaker 1: Look, absolutely, we're having an interesting debate about the online
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Speaker 1: world and social media and content, and I think there's
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Speaker 1: potentially a role for government there. But clearly, what is
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Speaker 1: going into your child's mouth, what they're eating, what they're drinking,
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Speaker 1: is first and foremost parental responsibility.
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Speaker 2: As you rightly say, I did look with interest at
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Speaker 2: the L ANDP parents coming up. They are the hot
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Speaker 2: ticket to win the state election come October. There's one
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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy three resolutions on the table. There's absolutely
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Speaker 2: everything under the sun that will be debated, but strangely enough,
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Speaker 2: there's nothing there on nuclear power.
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Speaker 3: Isn't that interesting? Peter?
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Speaker 9: The N word appears to be banned and they're so nervous.
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Speaker 9: I think Chrusp Fooley is so nervous coming into the election.
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Speaker 9: I mean from what the polls are saying. He has
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Speaker 9: this in the bag. He doesn't want to derail anything.
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Speaker 9: But it will be interesting with David Little Proud and
20:15
Speaker 9: Peter Dutton both attending the conference and speaking, and it's
20:20
Speaker 9: likely surely that they will be talking about nuclears, so
20:23
Speaker 9: they cannot avoid the elephant in the room.
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Speaker 2: In my view, and it was this time last year
20:28
Speaker 2: because I went to the conference they were at odds
20:32
Speaker 2: with the National Party, with the National Coalition on the
20:35
Speaker 2: issue of the voice too. The LMP in Queensland got
20:39
Speaker 2: that one wrong.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, you would know better than anyone the tactics,
20:45
Speaker 1: which is they just want to keep the focus on
20:46
Speaker 1: the government because they think the government's going down, so
20:48
Speaker 1: let's just focus on them, Okay, But what Queenslanders and
20:51
Speaker 1: Australias want is leadership on these issues. I think a
20:54
Speaker 1: lot of Queenslanders were disappointed when the LMP just waved
20:57
Speaker 1: through the massive net zero bill. They gave the tick
21:00
Speaker 1: to the budget without looking at it. So you go, well, okay,
21:03
Speaker 1: the political tactic, fair enough, But at the end of
21:06
Speaker 1: the day, Queenslanders need to know what kind of government
21:08
Speaker 1: will an L and P government be and that's an
21:11
Speaker 1: open question at this point.
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Speaker 3: Thank you both, have good weekend. Thank you all.
21:15
Speaker 2: Right after the break, Peter Dunnell join me for what
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Speaker 2: key things needs to change after that anti semitic banner
21:21
Speaker 2: was unfurled on our parliament today?
21:23
Speaker 3: Plus how likely are we going to head to an
21:25
Speaker 3: early election? And what's the coalition doing to prepare?
21:31
Speaker 2: Welcome back still to come the free speech fighter all
21:35
Speaker 2: the way from London. His take on the UK election,
21:37
Speaker 2: Will it be as bad as they say for the Tories?
21:39
Speaker 2: And how will the pro Palestinian vote impact labor?
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Speaker 3: But first I.
21:44
Speaker 2: Want to return to the issue of the massive security
21:46
Speaker 2: breach today at Parliament House. Now I've worked in that
21:49
Speaker 2: building for years, I can't overstate just how serious this is.
21:53
Speaker 2: It wasn't that long ago that millions of dollars were
21:56
Speaker 2: spent on security upgrades across the building on the back
21:59
Speaker 2: of an attack in the Canadian Parliament involving a lone gunman.
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Speaker 3: Even last night, as.
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Speaker 2: I left the Midwinter Ball, I was stopped and asked
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Speaker 2: for my pass as I moved from the public area
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Speaker 2: into the secure area where the MPs have their offices
22:12
Speaker 2: and of course where the press gallery is located.
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Speaker 3: So how did this happen?
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Speaker 2: And the time in two of today's protests, just to
22:19
Speaker 2: Senator Payment walked out on the pro Palestinian Labor Party
22:23
Speaker 2: for not being pro Palestinian enough, I'm pleased to say
22:28
Speaker 2: Peter Dalton joins.
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Speaker 3: Me now to discuss this and more. Peter, thank you
22:32
Speaker 3: for your time.
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Speaker 2: The flags, the slogan rivets the sea, I mean, it
22:37
Speaker 2: was up there for well over an hour. I just
22:42
Speaker 2: think it's extraordinary that it was there for such a
22:46
Speaker 2: long time, that there was such a significant breach, and
22:49
Speaker 2: of course we didn't hear from the Prime Minister at
22:51
Speaker 2: all until question time.
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Speaker 4: Peter. It was a terrible, shocking breach of security and
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Speaker 4: there are very dire consequences here because as we know,
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Speaker 4: with the chants and the slogans and the protest activities
23:09
Speaker 4: on the iconic steps of the Sydney Opera House. All
23:13
Speaker 4: of that has been around the world, and that's exactly
23:15
Speaker 4: what will happen right now as we speak with the
23:18
Speaker 4: footage from the front of Federal Parliament today. I wrote
23:21
Speaker 4: to the Prime Minister this morning and said that we
23:24
Speaker 4: needed to get those flags down, to get those banners
23:27
Speaker 4: down as quickly as possible. It took them well over
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Speaker 4: an hour and a half, which I think is completely unacceptable,
23:33
Speaker 4: and I think the PMS dropped the ball here. I
23:35
Speaker 4: think it was a very serious breach of security and
23:39
Speaker 4: to have your parliament used with that sort of propaganda
23:44
Speaker 4: is a surrender of our parliament, of our democracy, and
23:48
Speaker 4: I really think the Prime Minister has made a serious
23:51
Speaker 4: error of judgment here.
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Speaker 3: It could have been a hell of a lot more serious.
23:56
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I agree with you this has
23:58
Speaker 2: gone around the world anti Semitic slogans, but these are
24:03
Speaker 2: could be anyone on the roof, their faces are covered.
24:06
Speaker 2: It could have been a lot more serious in terms
24:08
Speaker 2: of the personal security of parliamentarians. You know, I know
24:12
Speaker 2: that building well, I know that there was hundreds of
24:15
Speaker 2: millions of dollars, just millions of dollars, hundreds of millions
24:18
Speaker 2: of dollars spent on fences and additional security. What's gone
24:22
Speaker 2: wrong here? Has there been budget cuts? Is there not
24:24
Speaker 2: enough police resourcing?
24:25
Speaker 3: What happened?
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Speaker 4: I think a couple of points. I mean, what is
24:31
Speaker 4: that the government's created this culture where the you know,
24:35
Speaker 4: the direction obviously coming from the ministry is that police
24:38
Speaker 4: stand back and just keep the peace and allow people
24:41
Speaker 4: to protest. It's this passive acceptance. It's what we've seen
24:45
Speaker 4: on university campuses and outside members of Parliament to officers.
24:50
Speaker 4: It's just it's a passive approach to a very serious
24:55
Speaker 4: situation with dire consequences, and it's creating social disharmony in
24:59
Speaker 4: our country. The Jewish community is living in a real
25:03
Speaker 4: state of fear, and understandably so, and the Prime Minister
25:09
Speaker 4: just leisurely sort of takes his time. I just can't
25:13
Speaker 4: imagine that John Howard or Bob Hawk or Tony Abbott
25:16
Speaker 4: would have reacted in such a weak way. And there's
25:21
Speaker 4: a message that people here and that the police here
25:23
Speaker 4: when they don't hear a sense of urgency or a
25:26
Speaker 4: sense of determination from the Prime Minister and I think
25:29
Speaker 4: out of this Prime minister, they just don't know what
25:34
Speaker 4: he stands for. He walks both sides of the street
25:37
Speaker 4: on a lot of these issues, calling in the Israeli
25:39
Speaker 4: ambassador to give him addressing down when Israel's being attacked
25:43
Speaker 4: by terrorist groups and they're defending their sovereignty and defending
25:48
Speaker 4: their citizens. I think the government's lost its way.
25:53
Speaker 2: Is this in part because they're concerned about them wasn't
25:57
Speaker 2: vote in places like Western City. We've seen reports this
26:00
Speaker 2: week about the organization of pro Muslim parties in the
26:03
Speaker 2: campaign organizations at this stage that the government hasn't got
26:08
Speaker 2: Prime Minster in particular a strong line on this.
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Speaker 3: Are they coming.
26:13
Speaker 2: Into this vacuum and using the vacuum left by the
26:15
Speaker 2: prime minister.
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Speaker 4: I think that's absolutely right. I think you nail it.
26:21
Speaker 4: And if you look at the decisions this Prime minister
26:23
Speaker 4: has made, everything is through the lens of his own
26:26
Speaker 4: electric The inner city electorate where he's got a local
26:29
Speaker 4: councilor is a Green, The state members are Green, and
26:33
Speaker 4: his seat is under threat always from the Greens. It's
26:37
Speaker 4: an inner city seat, and every decision that he makes
26:40
Speaker 4: is through the lens of how he can please those people,
26:43
Speaker 4: But in doing that, he forgets about average mums and
26:45
Speaker 4: dads and families across the country. That's the problem the
26:49
Speaker 4: Prime Minister has got. He looks at it through a lens,
26:53
Speaker 4: which is, how do I stop people leaving the Labor
26:55
Speaker 4: Party to vote for the Greens? What to vote for
26:58
Speaker 4: these independent pro Palestinian can dates in Western City. That's
27:02
Speaker 4: what he's doing and ultimately it means that he's trying
27:06
Speaker 4: to please everyone or he's making decisions for completely motivated
27:10
Speaker 4: by the the wrong motivations, and I think our country
27:14
Speaker 4: suffers as a result of that.
27:17
Speaker 3: What about Fatama Payment?
27:19
Speaker 2: Look, I can't be critical of a party leader who
27:21
Speaker 2: wants to enforce party discipline.
27:23
Speaker 3: That's the job of a leader. You know that better
27:25
Speaker 3: than anyone.
27:26
Speaker 2: But my criticisms of him as the Prime Minister on
27:29
Speaker 2: this is this whole issue of how to deal with
27:32
Speaker 2: anti Semitism has got away from him and it feels
27:36
Speaker 2: like there's now this runaway train with real electoral implications
27:41
Speaker 2: sectarian politics and potential sectarian political party even that's the
27:47
Speaker 2: concerns I have. Where do you see Fatima payments move today?
27:54
Speaker 4: I think she sees political advantage in moving away from
27:57
Speaker 4: the Labor Party because she doesn't believe that they've been
28:00
Speaker 4: strong enough in relation to the Palestinian issue. Now there's
28:05
Speaker 4: obviously personal opportunity that she can smell and she's acting
28:11
Speaker 4: on that basis. She sees a weak prime minister. She
28:15
Speaker 4: sees somebody who's trying to walk both sides of the street.
28:17
Speaker 4: As we say, the Prime Minister goes into synagogue and
28:21
Speaker 4: says one thing, and goes to see a group across
28:25
Speaker 4: the road, tells them what they want to hear. And
28:29
Speaker 4: I just don't think you can run the country like that.
28:31
Speaker 4: The Prime Minister has been in the Parliament almost thirty years.
28:34
Speaker 4: He's a very tricky parliamentarian. There's no doubt about that.
28:37
Speaker 4: He's very crafty. But I think a lot of people
28:41
Speaker 4: are starting to reconcile it. You just can't tell two
28:44
Speaker 4: different audiences two different things and you expect they're not
28:47
Speaker 4: to be a consequence. So I think the Prime Minister's
28:51
Speaker 4: out there trying to police people in Western Sydney, and
28:55
Speaker 4: you know, ultimately there's a price to pay for that.
28:57
Speaker 4: You need to govern for the whole country and you
28:59
Speaker 4: need to make tough to see visions and tell people
29:00
Speaker 4: sometimes things that they don't want to hear, but ultimately
29:03
Speaker 4: they're in our country's best interests and the Prime Minister
29:06
Speaker 4: is not doing that. I was at Central Synagogue visiting
29:09
Speaker 4: there in Sydney a couple of weeks ago, and as
29:12
Speaker 4: we left the synagogue, no different to leaving a church
29:16
Speaker 4: or a temple or a mosque, you gather on the
29:19
Speaker 4: steps in the front entry into the building, You talk
29:25
Speaker 4: to people, you talk to friends, and have a catch
29:28
Speaker 4: up with family if you've got family members there. There
29:31
Speaker 4: were armed guards there ushering us away from the front
29:34
Speaker 4: of the building and to get into the cars quickly
29:37
Speaker 4: and to move on. That was because they're worried about
29:41
Speaker 4: a drive by shooting or an attack on that place
29:45
Speaker 4: of worship. And unfortunately, when you allow a level of
29:49
Speaker 4: anti Semitism to creep into our society, which is exactly
29:52
Speaker 4: what the Prime Minister has done, you end up with
29:55
Speaker 4: that sort of an environment. And I don't believe any Australian,
29:59
Speaker 4: regardless of their relig just beliefable, none at all, should
30:01
Speaker 4: have to live with that sort of segregation, that sort
30:03
Speaker 4: of hatred, that level of antisemitism that we're seeing towards
30:07
Speaker 4: the Jewish community. Now we wouldn't tolerate it for any
30:10
Speaker 4: other part of our society, and yet the Prime Minister's
30:12
Speaker 4: allowed this antisemitism to thrive. I think it's a national
30:18
Speaker 4: shame and I think we should make sure that we
30:20
Speaker 4: stand up for every Australian, including those of a Jewish
30:24
Speaker 4: heritage or faith.
30:28
Speaker 2: Parliament obviously up for today, you're on the midwinter break.
30:32
Speaker 2: I'm not saying the Prime Minister is going to go
30:34
Speaker 2: to an early election, but looking at his behavior in
30:38
Speaker 2: recent days, looking at the way they're doing some things
30:41
Speaker 2: in terms of budget preparations, policy work. I mean even
30:45
Speaker 2: this recent overseas trip that he's now sending someone else
30:48
Speaker 2: to attend NATO. Do you think there's a chance that
30:51
Speaker 2: there will be an early election, that they will go
30:53
Speaker 2: before Christmas?
30:56
Speaker 3: Yes, I do.
30:57
Speaker 4: It is a short answer, and I should say well
30:59
Speaker 4: done on some viving the Midwinter Ball last night. That's
31:02
Speaker 4: like the Ultimate Insiders sort of bubble within a bubble.
31:06
Speaker 4: All of those journalists are the press gallery in there
31:10
Speaker 4: and know the CEOs and the rest. But anyway, they
31:13
Speaker 4: raise some money for charity, so that's a good side
31:15
Speaker 4: of the event, but otherwise it's not the greatest night out,
31:19
Speaker 4: So congrats on that. Look, in relation to an election,
31:24
Speaker 4: I think there is every chance that it goes this year.
31:27
Speaker 4: There's a chance that interest rates go up by another
31:29
Speaker 4: twenty five or fifty points, another half a percent. I
31:33
Speaker 4: can hear the Treasury Secretary saying to the Prime Minister, Look,
31:37
Speaker 4: we could be in a recession by Christmas. Certainly you
31:41
Speaker 4: speak to anybody from business, they all say that the
31:44
Speaker 4: second half of this year, that the half of this
31:47
Speaker 4: second half of this calendar year, it's really going to sour,
31:52
Speaker 4: and unemployment will go up. There'll be soft retail sales
31:56
Speaker 4: over Christmas. People get their credit cards in January. People
31:59
Speaker 4: are getting tax cuts in July, which goes nowhere near
32:03
Speaker 4: paying for the amount your mortgage is increased by, your
32:07
Speaker 4: electricity bills increase by. But nonetheless, what good story does
32:12
Speaker 4: the government have to tell in March or May of
32:15
Speaker 4: next year that they've wrecked the economy, that people are
32:19
Speaker 4: feeling real pressure, mortgage stress, household budgets can't manage to
32:24
Speaker 4: pay the ever increasing bills under an urban easy government.
32:28
Speaker 4: If he goes now or soon, then I suppose they
32:33
Speaker 4: go before the interest rates go up, and they would
32:36
Speaker 4: be running scared, and they would use the MANTRAI presume, well,
32:40
Speaker 4: we need a mandate to roll out all of these
32:44
Speaker 4: extra renewables and the uncertainty that's been created by the
32:47
Speaker 4: announcement of our nuclear policy. He'll try and construct some
32:52
Speaker 4: sort of a narrative out of that, because they can't
32:54
Speaker 4: go and say to people, look, life is great. You've
32:57
Speaker 4: never been better off financially than under the Albania and
33:02
Speaker 4: so you know you can hear plenty of that thinking
33:05
Speaker 4: going on in their minds. But ultimately the Prime Minister
33:08
Speaker 4: or call the election when he thinks he can win,
33:11
Speaker 4: or if he thinks that the situation is going to
33:13
Speaker 4: get worse and he should go now.
33:17
Speaker 2: Well, I won't say enjoy you win to break Peta Dutton,
33:19
Speaker 2: because I know this time the election cycle you'll be
33:22
Speaker 2: hard at at getting your policies ready should they go early,
33:25
Speaker 2: But enjoy at least your time out of cold camera.
33:28
Speaker 4: Thank you for your time, Thanks so much better, Take care.
33:35
Speaker 2: There you go After the break, UK voters heading to
33:37
Speaker 2: the polls Eyboddy as we speak, Richie Sunak is looking
33:41
Speaker 2: for at a train wreck, a wipeout. So what will
33:45
Speaker 2: new labor mean for the UK? Plus the Spectator Star
33:49
Speaker 2: columnist Toby Young joins me up next, free speech campaigner.
33:53
Speaker 3: All the way from London. Welcome back. Well.
33:59
Speaker 2: At this very moment, all across the United Kingdom, people
34:01
Speaker 2: are heading to the polls in what's expected to be
34:04
Speaker 2: a blood bath for the Tory Party.
34:06
Speaker 3: But what will also be interesting to see is what
34:08
Speaker 3: happens to the vote on the Rock.
34:11
Speaker 2: On the latest polls, Nigel Faraja's Reform UK could pick
34:14
Speaker 2: up three seats now. At the same time, if recent
34:17
Speaker 2: councilor elections are anything to go by, there could be
34:20
Speaker 2: a pro Palestinian vote that threatened labor. There's a lot
34:24
Speaker 2: to get to, so please to welcome my next guest
34:28
Speaker 2: who's visiting Australia.
34:29
Speaker 3: He's a British.
34:30
Speaker 2: Writer, school founder, associate editor of The Spectator magazine and
34:34
Speaker 2: free speech campaigner, Toby Young. Well, Toby, we'll get to
34:38
Speaker 2: the election of course in a moment.
34:40
Speaker 3: But you're in.
34:40
Speaker 2: Australia to campaign for free speech and I have to
34:44
Speaker 2: say it shames me that we in Australia need someone
34:47
Speaker 2: like you to come and remind us how critical it is.
34:50
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Well, the threats to free speech across the English speaking
34:53
Speaker 7: world are remarkably similar. You had your Online Safety Act.
34:57
Speaker 7: We've had our Online Safety Act. We had a hate
35:00
Speaker 7: Crime Act in Scotland. You haven't yet had a federal
35:03
Speaker 7: hate Crime Act. But I think that's a looming threat.
35:06
Speaker 7: You have an anti misinformation bill that the current government
35:10
Speaker 7: has published. It said it was going to publish another
35:12
Speaker 7: draft this year. It still hasn't. But I think that's
35:15
Speaker 7: a looming threat to free speech because, as we know,
35:17
Speaker 7: misinformation just means a point of view that the radical
35:21
Speaker 7: progressive left disagrees with. You've also got your E Safety Commission.
35:26
Speaker 7: We're about to have something similar, not quite identical, but
35:29
Speaker 7: looking at the way in which the head of your
35:32
Speaker 7: E Safety Commission has overreached, I think that's something that
35:35
Speaker 7: we need to be very wary of when offcom our
35:37
Speaker 7: equivalent becomes empowered with policing social media as the E
35:41
Speaker 7: Safety Commission has here.
35:43
Speaker 2: If the polls are to be believed, it'll be a
35:45
Speaker 2: landslide win for Labor. How will free speech change under labor?
35:50
Speaker 7: I think it'll be seriously threatened by the next Labor government.
35:53
Speaker 7: I mean, first of all, Kissed Armor is on course
35:56
Speaker 7: to win a huge majority, the largest since eighteen thirty two,
35:59
Speaker 7: to the latest opinion polls, so he's going to not
36:02
Speaker 7: be in any way constrained by an active conservative opposition.
36:07
Speaker 7: I think he'll kill ban therapy. We'll see a similar
36:10
Speaker 7: bill to the conversion therapy ban in Victoria. I think
36:14
Speaker 7: he'll probably enact levison the Press Inquiries Recommendations in full,
36:19
Speaker 7: which will mean state regulation of newspapers and magazines, which
36:23
Speaker 7: will be an assault on the freedom of the press.
36:25
Speaker 7: I think something like the Hate Crime Act that's been
36:27
Speaker 7: passed in Scotland which criminalized vast swathes of speech which
36:31
Speaker 7: are currently legal in the rest of the UK. We'll
36:33
Speaker 7: see something like that being passed in England and Wales. Finally,
36:37
Speaker 7: it looks like he may criminalize islamophobia, and the All
36:41
Speaker 7: Party parliamentary group in the House of Commons is definition
36:44
Speaker 7: of Islamophobia is any criticism of the religion of Islam.
36:48
Speaker 7: So to plicate we might talk about later the Muslim vote.
36:51
Speaker 7: This energetic group, well organized group of Muslim activists. One
36:55
Speaker 7: of their demands is we want to see that definition
36:58
Speaker 7: of islamophobia in they did in British law and made illegal.
37:02
Speaker 7: I think Kirstein will do that.
37:05
Speaker 3: We seem to take a lot of our learnings from
37:07
Speaker 3: the UK.
37:07
Speaker 2: I mean, people are quite obsessed in this country with
37:11
Speaker 2: US politics, but it doesn't naturally translate to our parliamentary system.
37:16
Speaker 2: I see a lot more learnings come out of your
37:19
Speaker 2: part of the world, and on that the organization of
37:22
Speaker 2: Muslim voters into a cogent, powerful political force that is
37:27
Speaker 2: starting here embryonically in Australia, particularly over the last two weeks,
37:30
Speaker 2: there canvassing for candidates, fundraising, all on the back of
37:34
Speaker 2: statements made by Fatima Payment crossing the floor not happy
37:38
Speaker 2: with Labour's tough position in support of Palestine, she wants
37:42
Speaker 2: it to be unilateral. Well she's quit the Labor Party
37:44
Speaker 2: this afternoon, and there's a lot of concern inside Labor
37:49
Speaker 2: that this growth of the Muslim bloc will threaten some
37:53
Speaker 2: of their seats. Now we saw it your recent UK
37:56
Speaker 2: local council elections. It's not just a Gaza issue. They
38:00
Speaker 2: want you know that they want Sharia compliant law. You're right,
38:03
Speaker 2: they want the criminalization of islamba blandmophobia.
38:06
Speaker 3: What's it for Australia.
38:08
Speaker 7: Well, if it's anything like what's beginning to happen in
38:11
Speaker 7: the UK, and I think it poses a serious threat
38:15
Speaker 7: to the integrity of your democracy. We're seeing effectively an
38:20
Speaker 7: ethno nationalist block organizing, mobilizing within the United Kingdom and
38:25
Speaker 7: applying serious pressure to the Labor Party. Hitherto, the Labor
38:28
Speaker 7: Party has more or less taken Muslim voters for granted,
38:32
Speaker 7: and in Muslim majority constituencies there are sitting Labor MPs,
38:36
Speaker 7: but the Muslim vote is very unhappy with Labour's failure
38:41
Speaker 7: to outright condemn the supposed genocide in Gaza, and that's
38:45
Speaker 7: enabled them to mobilize a lot of grassroots support and
38:50
Speaker 7: they're in some cases fielding candidates against sitting Labor MPs.
38:53
Speaker 7: They probably won't unseat any, but they're an embryonic but
38:56
Speaker 7: serious threat, and I think Kirsteimer will go some lengths
39:01
Speaker 7: to plicate them. And that's what makes it really dangerous effectively,
39:04
Speaker 7: if he criminalizes Islamophobia but not anti Semitism. We only
39:08
Speaker 7: repealed our anti Christian blasphemy laws, you know, something like
39:12
Speaker 7: seven or eight years ago, So to reintroduce new blasphemy
39:15
Speaker 7: laws but just to protect Muslims, that's really divisive, that's
39:18
Speaker 7: really sectarian. It's not a sign of a healthy liberal democracy.
39:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised that we're going in the path of
39:25
Speaker 2: sectarianism politics in this country and in yours.
39:29
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a disturbing development. And one of the things
39:33
Speaker 7: which has given the Muslim vote momentum is this unholy
39:39
Speaker 7: alliance between the radical progressive left and Islamists. We saw it.
39:45
Speaker 2: Jays Foragaza if that lasts long, and Queers for Palestine.
39:48
Speaker 7: I mean, it's bizarre, but they now see, you know,
39:51
Speaker 7: Palestinians as oppressed victims of settler colonialists, and they think
39:56
Speaker 7: there's a common pattern here. The way in which First
39:59
Speaker 7: Nations people have been oppressed in New Zealand and Australia,
40:03
Speaker 7: the way in which supposedly people of color are disadvantaged
40:07
Speaker 7: in America in the UK by so called institutional racism.
40:11
Speaker 7: They all see this as part of a common pattern,
40:13
Speaker 7: and that's led the radical progressive left to really embrace
40:17
Speaker 7: the propelest Indian cause. The only good thing I think
40:19
Speaker 7: to come out of that is that some members of
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Speaker 7: the radical progressive left, particularly on university campuses, have found
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Speaker 7: themselves getting into trouble for chanting things like from the
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Speaker 7: River to the Sea, and that I think has brought
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Speaker 7: home to them that free speech protections maybe maybe as
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Speaker 7: important for them as they are for people on the
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Speaker 7: other side of the aisle. So we're beginning to see
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Speaker 7: it's sort of dawning on the radical progressive left that
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Speaker 7: free speech protections may just be something that could be
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Speaker 7: quite useful for them in due course, not just for
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Speaker 7: their political enemies.
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Speaker 2: All right, well, let's assume the worst, So Kirstam as
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Speaker 2: a prime minister by the wake in where too? Then
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Speaker 2: for the Tory Party and predictions of great success from Reform,
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Speaker 2: I think they're doing well across the nation.
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Speaker 3: Will it fall in the.
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Speaker 2: Right places to carry seats? I'd be interested in your assessment.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's unlikely that Reform will win more
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Speaker 7: than two or three seats. I think Nigel Faraj may
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Speaker 7: win his seat in Clacton, a couple of others may
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Speaker 7: win seats, but it's not going to be the political
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Speaker 7: earthquake that people have been hoping for. But certainly the
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Speaker 7: divide on the right between the Tories and Reform means
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Speaker 7: that kir Starmer's on course to win a landslide majority
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Speaker 7: in spite of winning no greater share of the popular
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Speaker 7: vote than he did in twenty seventeen, which ended up
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Speaker 7: in a home Parliament, so we've got a divided right
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Speaker 7: and that's really helped kir Starmer. I mean it's unfortunate
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Speaker 7: because it means we're going to be saddled with an
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Speaker 7: extraordinarily powerful, overbearing, quite hard left prime minister who doesn't
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Speaker 7: have a popular mandate to govern, but he'll have this
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Speaker 7: huge majority.
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Speaker 2: I have to say the Tori is other than getting
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Speaker 2: brick sit done, don't have much of a record for
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Speaker 2: fourteen years, fourteen years in office, and of course when
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Speaker 2: the right moves to the left, as the Tories have done,
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Speaker 2: they created a vacuum and hence the resurgence.
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Speaker 7: Yes for us, yes, I mean the big debate after
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Speaker 7: the defeat, the coming defeat is going to be well,
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Speaker 7: what was the cause is it? Because in governmentalent we
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Speaker 7: talked right but governed left. We said we were going
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Speaker 7: to reduce immigration, we increased it. We said we were
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Speaker 7: going to reduce taxes, we increased them. Is that the
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Speaker 7: main issue? They just tacked too far to the center
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Speaker 7: and left themselves vulnerable to a resurgent an insurgent party
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Speaker 7: to their right flank or and this will be the
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Speaker 7: argument that the Centrists make. No, the Conservatives went too
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Speaker 7: far to the right in their efforts to compete with
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Speaker 7: people like Farage. They talked in a xenophobic way about migration,
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Speaker 7: and that's why they've alienated the center. And you can
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Speaker 7: only win elections from the center. You can't win elections
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Speaker 7: by tacking to the right. So that will be the
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Speaker 7: big debate. I'm on the side of those who think
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Speaker 7: they went far too centrist in government and became indistinguishable
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Speaker 7: really from the labor opposition. We saw that in particular
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Speaker 7: during a lot down here in Australia as well policies
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Speaker 7: like net zero, they've been taken out of the democratic arena,
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Speaker 7: both mainstream parties, whether Labor or Conservative, adopting the net
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Speaker 7: zero by twenty fifty policy, and that creates an opportunity
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Speaker 7: for a party like Reform to say, wait a minute,
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Speaker 7: let's actually have a proper public debate about a policy
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Speaker 7: that's going to affect us.
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Speaker 3: All. Good luck with have your efforts to night.
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Speaker 2: I know you're going into the student area of Melbourne,
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Speaker 2: into the lines den, so I know you'll.
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Speaker 3: Hold your own Toby Young, thank you, thank you.
43:45
Speaker 2: All right After the Bragg Bill Shorten's former chief of staff,
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Speaker 2: on all that talk about an early election and Labour's
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Speaker 2: handling of the fatom of payment saga and what happens next.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now for more on the senator payment departure
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Speaker 2: from the Labor Party. Labor Party is director at g
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Speaker 2: XO Strategies and a former chief of staff to Bill Shorten.
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Speaker 3: Cameron Milner Cameron.
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Speaker 2: Great to have you on the show, given you are
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Speaker 2: a true insider and give us some analysis here on Labor.
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Speaker 3: She's ruled out joining the Greens. This is Fatima payment today.
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Speaker 2: She says she will move to the cross bench and
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Speaker 2: sit as an independent for now. The last line she
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Speaker 2: gave us before she finished the press conference was watch
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Speaker 2: this space. Give you a sense of how you think
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Speaker 2: that the Labor Party, the Prime Minister in particular, has
44:36
Speaker 2: handled the Fatima payment issue well.
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Speaker 8: Not well, because this week was supposed to be the
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Speaker 8: cost of living week. This is the one where the
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Speaker 8: tax cuts, the power cuts were all going to be
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Speaker 8: center of the political spectrum. But not now. Not now,
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Speaker 8: fatim and payment has completely sucked the oxygen now to that,
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Speaker 8: and what Fatima payment has done in essence is become
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Speaker 8: a political terrorist to this week, she's blown up Albo's
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Speaker 8: big week of cost of living cuts and instead taken
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Speaker 8: all the attention to herself and what they will do
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Speaker 8: now I think going forward is continue to hijack the
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Speaker 8: political cycle for Alboat. So Albert will really struggle and
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Speaker 8: Labor will struggle to get out their message on cost
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Speaker 8: of living because of the way they haven't handled Faedom
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Speaker 8: of payment particularly well. They've told us she was doing
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Speaker 8: this for months and didn't handle it. She crossed the
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Speaker 8: floor last week and didn't They didn't expel it, they
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Speaker 8: kept her going. So this is actually reaping what they've
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Speaker 8: sown themselves, and they've not handled this particularly well at all.
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Speaker 3: Because at the end of the.
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Speaker 8: Day, payment is a labor rat, a labor rat, pure
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Speaker 8: and simple.
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Speaker 2: I was going to make the point I'm not one
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Speaker 2: of those people that are critical of how the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister should discipline his troops.
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Speaker 3: On your side of politics, that is the labor way.
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Speaker 3: They are your rules. It's been there for one hundred
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Speaker 3: and thirty years. You know what they are when you
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Speaker 3: sign up.
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Speaker 2: Why did he give us so much right because because
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Speaker 2: Bob Hawk even Pouqutti when their abstensions suspended people previously.
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Speaker 2: You cross the floor, you're out, there's no second chance.
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Speaker 8: Well, Alba's just so weak, He's so weak on everything,
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Speaker 8: and he's week now on one hundred and thirty years
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Speaker 8: of labor history. I mean, see the payment is a
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Speaker 8: millennial answer to mal Colston cross with Sumer bin Laden.
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Speaker 8: I mean, this is this so crazy situation we're in,
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Speaker 8: and yet she was still allowed to stay in the
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Speaker 8: Labor Caucus, and early on Albert briefed out that note
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Speaker 8: there was no lock, could be any penalty for her
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Speaker 8: up so incredibly weak, and that's what's now led to
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Speaker 8: this situation where he's lost control of the politics around this.
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Speaker 2: I want to play a grab of an interview she
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Speaker 2: did with our colleague Tom Connell.
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Speaker 3: Let's have a listen.
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Speaker 5: I've spoken to other political strategies, like they may not
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Speaker 5: be as well known or you know, the media may
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Speaker 5: not have so much.
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Speaker 3: Focus on them.
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Speaker 7: But I've had so many conversations.
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Speaker 9: This was just one of I guess later and piece
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Speaker 9: going we'll hang on.
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Speaker 3: She was planning this. She met with Glen Dreary.
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Speaker 5: Switch don't no, I don't think that they can make
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Speaker 5: that conclusion just from one meeting.
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Speaker 8: What I call BS, What do you make of the
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Speaker 8: fact that she met with Brewy total bs and and
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Speaker 8: Drury is a political strategist who's been around politics, around
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Speaker 8: this minor party stuff for a long time, and knows
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Speaker 8: exactly what he's doing with her. He's using her to
47:06
Speaker 8: build up yet another sort of voting bloc that he
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Speaker 8: can manipulate and he can play with. And she's either
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Speaker 8: been a pawn in that game, or more likely she's
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Speaker 8: been plotting this for weeks and months and to have
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Speaker 8: maximum impact on the week that Alba needed clear air.
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Speaker 2: There's not a big Muslim vote in Wa, however, by
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Speaker 2: having one of their own in the parliament, if there is,
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Speaker 2: indeed the formation of a Muslim party, having one of
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Speaker 2: them in the parliament right now means they get through
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Speaker 2: very quickly all the AEC electroloration pro register a political party.
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Speaker 2: Then they make their big onslaught on the East coast
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Speaker 2: of Australia. How real do you think the threat is
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Speaker 2: in those Labor seats?
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Speaker 8: Well, Labour's terrified in the six New South Wales seats
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Speaker 8: which have a large Muslim population. I mean, Tony Burke
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Speaker 8: has hate preachers in Electric but he goes quiet on them.
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Speaker 8: He's got a mom to call for Jihart goes quiet
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Speaker 8: on them because he's so scared of losing the Muslim vote.
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Speaker 8: Jason clear offended the terrorists. So the students on campuses
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Speaker 8: talking out terrorism. Another seat that's got that vulnerabilities to
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Speaker 8: the Muslim votes and no Labor is terrified of the
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Speaker 8: Muslim vote walking in Western Sydney.
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Speaker 3: And where do you think it'll walk to? Does it
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Speaker 3: walk to the Greens?
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Speaker 8: Well, I think I think it breaks the Labor primary
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Speaker 8: and so Labor's relied on some big polling bars like
48:21
Speaker 8: La Kember sixty seventy percent Labor, so that shattered, that's halved.
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Speaker 8: Then suddenly Labour's got a problem in terms of where
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Speaker 8: they get the votes from and where they get the
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Speaker 8: preferences from. The thing I think we're to make sure
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Speaker 8: is that if an extremist Muslim party gets formed in Australia,
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Speaker 8: but to make very sure that payment doesn't go to
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Speaker 8: Iran or Qatar or Yemen to try to get money,
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Speaker 8: because we know those organizations fund the sorts of interference.
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Speaker 2: Mind, that's a very good point. Reshuffle this talk that's
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Speaker 2: going to happen over the break.
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Speaker 8: Well, Albo does need to refresh Unfortunately, you can't reshuffle
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Speaker 8: from the top because that would be the Labour's best
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Speaker 8: solution coming up to the next election. But look, reshuffles,
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Speaker 8: it's that time of the year, you know, early election speculation,
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Speaker 8: speculations obviously within a year that we've got the election
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Speaker 8: in May. Since that time and.
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Speaker 3: That season, can he move for polls?
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Speaker 8: He's Labour's got to do something. Labor's got to get a.
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Speaker 3: Death spiral from minority governor, aren't they.
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Speaker 8: They are they are and minority government will be toxic
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Speaker 8: because you'll have Adam Bant and people like Fatom a
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Speaker 8: payment telling Labor what they should do every day to
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Speaker 8: be disastrous and.
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Speaker 3: We thought it was bad in twenty ten. Goodness me, absolutely, Peter,
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Speaker 3: thanks very much, Cameron, thank you.
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Speaker 2: Nothing like a chief of staff talking to a former
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Speaker 2: chief of staff or former chief of staff talking to
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Speaker 2: a former chief of staff to get the inside drum there.
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Speaker 2: That was terrific. Thank you, Cameron Milner. All right, that's
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Speaker 2: it for me to see you next week Monday at six.
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Speaker 2: Here's Andrew Bolt