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The Late Debate | 13 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcol the Late Turby. Thanks for joining us on the
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  Speaker 1: Late Debate. I'm James McPherson with the Niketa Giorgio and
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  Speaker 1: Joe Hildebrand filling in for Caleb Bond. And we just
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  Speaker 1: learned before coming on here that Joe, who has the
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  Speaker 1: worst taste in movies, went and saw Supergirl.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone at home would go, yeah, that figure is
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  Speaker 2: worst taste in politics, worst take, But yeah I saw.
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  Speaker 2: I really wanted it to be amazing because I love
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  Speaker 2: Superman and particularly my favorite superhero. And it was an
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  Speaker 2: absolute turkey. It was an absolute dog.
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  Speaker 3: It's a bomb. It's done shocking.
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  Speaker 1: Rotten Tomatoes has had a right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm desperate. I'm desperately trying to find something good to say.
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  Speaker 3: The Odyssey.
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  Speaker 4: You can save yourself for the Odyssey and other classic.
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  Speaker 2: Fantastic Everyone's saying that Odyssey is amazing. So what could
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  Speaker 2: possibly go wrong?
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  Speaker 1: Just quick? What was the last movie you saw at
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  Speaker 1: the cinema?
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  Speaker 4: Oh gosh, there you put me on the spot. That
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  Speaker 4: one that's based on that novel, The Housemaid.
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  Speaker 2: The Housemaids, not the Handmaids, don't know.
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  Speaker 4: The Housemaid with the girl that was in Mean Girls.
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  Speaker 1: Very memorable.
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  Speaker 3: I read the novel.
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  Speaker 4: By Freedom McFadden and I really enjoyed that Scott Sydney
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  Speaker 4: Sweeney in it.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I saw a movie called The Housemaid recently, but slightly
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  Speaker 2: different kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of Your version of a housemaid requires a VPM.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get into the show. Here's what's coming
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  Speaker 1: up on the Late Debate tonight. The statue of AFL
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  Speaker 1: legend NICKI Winmar is removed from optus oval following his
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  Speaker 1: domestic violence conviction. But was it the right decision to
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  Speaker 1: take the statue down. New data shows that school yard
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  Speaker 1: injuries are responsible for fourteen percent of hospital emergency department visits,
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  Speaker 1: but is that necessarily a bad thing? And the ABC
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  Speaker 1: says climate change is a key driver of child marriage,
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  Speaker 1: the claim that raises all kinds of questions that must
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  Speaker 1: be said. We'll get into that shortly, but first. Pauline
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  Speaker 1: Hanson divided opinion even amongst her own supporters last week
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  Speaker 1: when she used her UK trip to hang out with
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  Speaker 1: controversial activist Tommy Robinson. Robinson is outspoken in his opposition
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  Speaker 1: to mass immigration, particularly from Muslim nations. He's also someone
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  Speaker 1: with a long list of criminal convictions from assault to frauds,
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  Speaker 1: so a little wonder people questioned Hanson's judgment when she
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  Speaker 1: met with him. But the controversy, well, it's set to
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  Speaker 1: go to a new level when the seven network Spotlight
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  Speaker 1: program is footage of a confrontation between Tommy Robinson and
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  Speaker 1: reporter Liam Bartlett, who spent the past month following the
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  Speaker 1: One Nation leader. According to reports, Bartlett aggressively challenged Robinson
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  Speaker 1: over his criminal record and in exchange that became so
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  Speaker 1: heated police officers stopped to watch, and witnesses said the
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  Speaker 1: police actually applauded the Channel seven reporter when the whole
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  Speaker 1: thing was over. So, I guess, Joe and Deniki, here's
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  Speaker 1: the question. Was it smart for Pauline Hanson to meet
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  Speaker 1: with Tommy Robinson or do you think this is a
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  Speaker 1: decision she'll come to regret. What do you say?
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  Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with her doing having a
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  Speaker 4: chat with Tommy Robinson or going out to Luton. They
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  Speaker 4: went to Luton, which I believe is Tommy Robinson's hometown,
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  Speaker 4: and he.
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  Speaker 3: Showed her how well.
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  Speaker 4: He described it as the Islamification of Luton. Now, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not saying that Tommy Robinson is a great person, by
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  Speaker 4: no means you mean you've explained his criminal history. He's
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  Speaker 4: got a criminal history. What he did to that fifteen
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  Speaker 4: year old Syrian boy and actually Tommy Robinson ended up
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  Speaker 4: in jail over.
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  Speaker 3: It was absolutely apporrent.
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  Speaker 4: However, you don't have to agree with Tommy Robinson, like him,
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  Speaker 4: all over him. He is a polarizing figure right now
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  Speaker 4: in the UK when it comes to mass migration, when
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  Speaker 4: it comes to Islam open borders. He has a massive
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  Speaker 4: following and there would be a percentage of the One
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  Speaker 4: Nation base that would agree with Tommy Robinson's commentary on
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  Speaker 4: such issues. Pauline Hanson is playing to her bas Pauline
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  Speaker 4: Hansen knows who's going to get her the clicks and
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  Speaker 4: the views that she needs to build up a social
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  Speaker 4: media presence.
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  Speaker 3: And I said this last week on this show.
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  Speaker 4: The way that Pauline Hanson has use social media for
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  Speaker 4: her UK trip I think has actually been very smart.
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  Speaker 4: She's got here the behind the scenes footage of her
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  Speaker 4: and Tommy Robinson.
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  Speaker 3: She does a lot of talking in the.
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  Speaker 4: Car like this clip that we're seeing now. She did
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  Speaker 4: it with Tommy Robinson. She knows exactly what she's doing.
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  Speaker 4: Do I think that it will harm her in the
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  Speaker 4: future given his history. No, I don't, because we live
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  Speaker 4: in a democracy, we have freedom of speech. She can
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  Speaker 4: talk to whoever the heck she wants to. And as
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  Speaker 4: for Leam Bartlett, that's his job. He's a journalist, he
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  Speaker 4: can push back.
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  Speaker 3: Good on him.
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  Speaker 2: I think this was a really, really stupid decision. Pauline
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  Speaker 2: Hansen doesn't need her base to vote for her. They're
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  Speaker 2: already voting for her. What she needs to do if
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  Speaker 2: one nation actually genuinely wants to form government, and I've
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  Speaker 2: got a feeling it might be like the dog chasing
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  Speaker 2: the car. They wouldn't know what to do if they
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  Speaker 2: actually got it. But of course she has the right
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  Speaker 2: to talk to whatever, you know, whoever she wants. But
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  Speaker 2: does that mean it's smart to talk to someone like
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  Speaker 2: Tommy Robinson? He has an appalling background. The reason that
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  Speaker 2: police officers applauded Leam Bartlett after he confronting him is
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  Speaker 2: because one of his criminal convictions was for kicking a
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  Speaker 2: police officer in the head. Now you're telling me that
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  Speaker 2: one nation stands shoulder to shoulder with a guy convicted
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  Speaker 2: of kicking police officers in the head.
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  Speaker 1: Can I make a counter to that? So that conviction
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  Speaker 1: I think was from twenty and eleven, So you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about something fifteen years ago. Does that mean that someone
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  Speaker 1: can never speak ever again on any topic? What if
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  Speaker 1: he's right on certain topics.
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  Speaker 2: I think the fact that he's got so many convictions.
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  Speaker 2: And again, there are plenty of people who are raising
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  Speaker 2: concerns about the Islamification of the UK or the levels
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  Speaker 2: of immigration. Why not talk to them, stand shoulder to
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  Speaker 2: shoulder with them instead of picking someone who is I
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  Speaker 2: think a thug an opportunist is someone who is trying
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  Speaker 2: to cover up his many, many past crimes and misdemeanors
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  Speaker 2: by taking up this cause that I think it's almost
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  Speaker 2: like a kind of semi religious sort of purification. I
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  Speaker 2: think that he's trying to do. Tommy Robinson isn't even
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  Speaker 2: his real name. He doesn't even use his real name,
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  Speaker 2: so he's I think a fake and a fraud and
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  Speaker 2: a coward in that regard.
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  Speaker 1: He's not tried to he's not tried to hide him.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's had a lot of death threats as well,
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  Speaker 4: and I think there's like a hit on him because.
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  Speaker 2: He's been responsible for very real harm that young.
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  Speaker 1: Let me give you my thoughts, Denika, and so if
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  Speaker 1: you push back against these, I agree with Joe. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it was wrong for her to meet with him.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure it was wise, though, for a couple
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  Speaker 1: of reasons. Firstly, she's given an unnecessary gift to her opponents,
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  Speaker 1: because everyone's talking about Tommy Robinson rather than the issue,
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  Speaker 1: which is mass migration and particularly from Muslim nations. Secondly,
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  Speaker 1: if she wants to be serious rather than fringe, she's
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  Speaker 1: got to hang out with serious people, not fringe people.
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  Speaker 1: And for what it's worth, Tommy Robinson is a fringe character.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone doubts Pauling Hanson's courage. What she's
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  Speaker 1: got to prove is judgment. I think the question is
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  Speaker 1: still out on that, and I'm not sure this show's
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  Speaker 1: great judgment. I agree with Joe that she's already won
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  Speaker 1: her base, but by meeting with Tommy Robinson, she risks
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  Speaker 1: alienating the people she needs to win.
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Bolt wrote a fantastic column about this very thing,
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  Speaker 2: yeah this morning. I encourage everyone to go and read
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  Speaker 2: it in the Herald Sign or the Daily Telegraph. And
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  Speaker 2: if Andrew Bolt is telling you pull your head in,
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  Speaker 2: you are making a goose of yourself. She would do
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  Speaker 2: very well to listen.
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  Speaker 1: There's one more thought that I had that I've not
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  Speaker 1: heard anyone mention, and that is by aligning herself with
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  Speaker 1: Tommy Robinson, who does have a checkered past, who is
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  Speaker 1: known to spyle publicity, does she risk tying herself to
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  Speaker 1: someone who she's not sure what he'll do next week,
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  Speaker 1: next month, next year, and then you can be sure
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  Speaker 1: the moment he does something stupid, the media will explait
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  Speaker 1: to Pauline Hanson saying this is your friend, this is
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  Speaker 1: your guy, and they'll fairly or unfairly link the two.
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  Speaker 1: It's not wrong, but I just don't think it's smart.
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  Speaker 3: I don't I disagree with that point. I actually think
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  Speaker 3: that is a very very good point you make. But
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  Speaker 3: the reality is is.
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  Speaker 4: Tommy Robinson right now is a hot button figure in
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  Speaker 4: the UK, and I think for somebody that's looking to
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  Speaker 4: grow their social media base invite a certain type of
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  Speaker 4: audience on board, Tommy Robinson is that person. Whether or
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  Speaker 4: not that is the right thing. Again, you can like
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  Speaker 4: him or loathe him. A couple of months ago, he
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  Speaker 4: helped organize the Unite the Kingdom Raley and the amount
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  Speaker 4: of people. There were tens of thousands, if not hundreds
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  Speaker 4: of thousands of Brits who took to the streets. Why
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  Speaker 4: because they are absolutely sick to death of their country
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  Speaker 4: being run by some people who hate the country, some
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  Speaker 4: who hate the values of Britain, some who don't want
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  Speaker 4: to assimilate, and overall who some whose values are incompatible
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  Speaker 4: with a Western liberal democracy.
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  Speaker 3: So these people took to the streets.
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  Speaker 4: Tommy Robinson was out there, and again I'm not saying
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  Speaker 4: that you have to agree with everything Tommy Robinson says,
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  Speaker 4: but what I am saying he's hot button figure right now.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that a lot of people who do
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  Speaker 4: support Pauline Hanson would agree that mass migration is a problem,
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  Speaker 4: or that radical Islam is an issue.
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  Speaker 3: And Tommy Robinson, certainly that's.
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  Speaker 2: A waste of time trying to convert people.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think why not.
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  Speaker 4: Again, he's big on social media. Off, she's trying to
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  Speaker 4: pop off on social media. And look, maybe she might
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  Speaker 4: she might alienate more moderate people, but she's certainly, according
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  Speaker 4: to the polling albeit yesterday, she's already brought a huge
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  Speaker 4: contingent of people with her. Now we'll let's see what
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  Speaker 4: happens with going back. Well, you're not in Victoria. You
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  Speaker 4: started looking Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: You're not convincing me with your argument that she's going
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  Speaker 1: to pop off on social media. I think she will.
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  Speaker 1: It's off, But if she's hanging out with Tommy Robinson,
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  Speaker 1: it's for social media followers. That to me, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying she is. I'm just that's what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: If she would be really just poor judgment, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit Snickele, poor judgment. I don't think he's a poor judgment.
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  Speaker 3: It's all about social media, right.
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  Speaker 4: If you've got a good social media following, you can
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  Speaker 4: connect with a number of different voters. She could put
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  Speaker 4: one clip online with her and Tommy Robinson, he gets
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  Speaker 4: millions of views and suddenly all the focus goes on
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  Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson. Tommy Robinson's out there introducing her as the
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  Speaker 4: woman who could be the next Prime Minister of Australia,
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  Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, the UK audience goes, Wow,
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  Speaker 4: who's this woman, Pauline.
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  Speaker 1: Hanson who cares about the UK?
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  Speaker 3: Well, now I'm not.
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  Speaker 4: Saying that, but the point is she wants to grow
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  Speaker 4: a social media base it's a very important part, I
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  Speaker 4: think right now, and she knows exactly what she's doing. Look,
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  Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with her talking to Tommy Robinson.
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  Speaker 4: It's a free country. You can talk to whoever the
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  Speaker 4: heck you want. I couldn't care less if Pauline Hanson
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  Speaker 4: was to go and do an interview with the Guardian newspaper.
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  Speaker 4: It's so fantastic, well done, congratulations, good on her. If
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  Speaker 4: that's what she wants to do, I don't care.
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  Speaker 3: I really don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: That's just too cruel. About is very cruel.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to do that to Pauline Hanson.
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  Speaker 2: But do you know what I actually do have a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a problem with And I didn't think I would,
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  Speaker 2: but it's sort of just something that stuck in my
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  Speaker 2: craw But the cops, if the reports are true, the
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  Speaker 2: cops applauding Liam Bartlett, who's a great journal and good
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  Speaker 2: on him for asking the tough questions and holding both
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  Speaker 2: Pauline and Tommy Robinson to account. But the cops applauding
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  Speaker 2: him after the confrontation. That's sat And again I can't
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  Speaker 2: understand why if you've got someone who is convicted of
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  Speaker 2: kicking an off duty police officer in the head, I
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  Speaker 2: would be I'd be doing a lot more than applauding
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  Speaker 2: if I was a big, tough policeman. But even so,
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  Speaker 2: I kind of feel like it's not the cops job
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  Speaker 2: to pick sides in a political argument. If that was
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  Speaker 2: to get heated and physical and someone needed to be restrained,
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  Speaker 2: I would have thought that the cops would. That's when
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  Speaker 2: the cops step in and they restrain whoever is being
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  Speaker 2: violent or aggressive. Picking sides in a political debate. To me,
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  Speaker 2: I have to admit struck me as something that kind
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  Speaker 2: of what's wrong with the UK police forces.
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  Speaker 1: Correct do that in your own time, not when you're
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  Speaker 1: wearing the uniform. Just to remind you, while we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about Pauline Hanson, you won't want to miss a special
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  Speaker 1: edition of paul Murray Live. You'll be presenting Pauline Hanson
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  Speaker 1: on Please Explain. It's Tuesday, July twenty eight at nine
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  Speaker 1: pm here on Sky Pauline Hanson answering all the questions
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  Speaker 1: that we're dying to hear answer. That'll be a great
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  Speaker 1: a great night on sCOD.
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  Speaker 4: If she gets any questions about Tobby Robinson, sure she
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  Speaker 4: might I reckon that that she certainly might.
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  Speaker 3: Look let's change pace a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: You remember the AFL player Nicki Winmar who took a
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  Speaker 4: stand during a match back in It was in nineteen
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  Speaker 4: ninety three. I think we've got the picture of it
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  Speaker 4: here or he lifted up his guernsey, pointed to his
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  Speaker 4: skin to try and make a statement here it is
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  Speaker 4: about racism. This has become quite an iconic picture and
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  Speaker 4: it led to a statue of him being erected in
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  Speaker 4: Western Australia well in the.
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  Speaker 3: Cover of darkness.
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  Speaker 4: At six forty five am this week, that statue was
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  Speaker 4: removed after a Victorian court found him guilty of assaulting
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  Speaker 4: a woman. Now the bronze statue was removed at the
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  Speaker 4: behest of the WA Premier. Roger Cook, a spokesman for
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  Speaker 4: Venues West, which owns and managers sports venues, said the
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  Speaker 4: statue will be securely stored while its future is considered.
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  Speaker 4: As per the Premier's direction and in consultation with the AFL,
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  Speaker 4: Venues West can confirm that the Nikki win Mars statue
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  Speaker 4: has been removed.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Along with that statue is removal, they're also considering win
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  Speaker 4: Mars status in as a member in the Hall of Fame,
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  Speaker 4: and I said has said this relates to Windmar being
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  Speaker 4: found guilty of assaulting a woman in northern Victoria back
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  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five. Now, firstly, I'm just a bit
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  Speaker 4: confused as to why they did this at six forty
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  Speaker 4: five am.
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  Speaker 3: That was my first thought.
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  Speaker 4: Did they deliberately remove this statue not wanting people, Yes,
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  Speaker 4: so that people don't see it happening, that they wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: be protests, that that's what they were concerned about.
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  Speaker 3: Now here's my thing.
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  Speaker 4: I obviously what he's been found guilty of is abhorrent,
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  Speaker 4: and sure, maybe the statue should be removed, But I
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  Speaker 4: do not think that he should be removed from the
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  Speaker 4: Hall of Fame because I don't think that your past
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  Speaker 4: performance should be a reflection of what you have done
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  Speaker 4: post football and your future performance. Because he did change
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  Speaker 4: the game that day, he made that stand, and he
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  Speaker 4: was a terrific player. I look at other players like
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  Speaker 4: Ben Cousins, for example, who himself has been charged with
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  Speaker 4: domestic issues. He was found guilty of it was stalking
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  Speaker 4: his ex partner. Look at Ben Cousins now, he's now
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  Speaker 4: at Channel seven in Perth as a commentator, and I
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  Speaker 4: can tell you that guy is a hero in the
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  Speaker 4: eyes of many West Australians, despite his criminal history and
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  Speaker 4: his past drug abuse. Now, there was once a time
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  Speaker 4: where ben Cousins was being put forward for the Hall
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  Speaker 4: of Fame. I just wonder now if this is just
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  Speaker 4: that's just simply not going to happen. So I do agree, Okay, fine,
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  Speaker 4: take down the statue. Maybe he doesn't. That statue doesn't
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  Speaker 4: represent you know, the good things given this assault charge.
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  Speaker 3: But keep him in the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 2: The opposite, I think, leave the statue there and remove
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  Speaker 2: him from the Hall of Fame, because I think one
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  Speaker 2: is a marker of an historical event that was erected
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  Speaker 2: at a point in time for reasons that apply to
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  Speaker 2: that historical event, whereas one is more about the person
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  Speaker 2: that Nicki Wima apparently is now. And again this is
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  Speaker 2: I mean, firstly, this is not just you know, I
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  Speaker 2: mean stalking your ex partners disgraceful behavior obviously as well.
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  Speaker 2: But this is a woman who was fearful for her life.
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  Speaker 2: He dragged her by the head. This is all stuff
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  Speaker 2: that the court has heard, dragged her by the hand
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  Speaker 2: and smashed her head against a wooden door, not once,
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  Speaker 2: not twice, not three times, but four times. And to me,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and I just felt as a kid who
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  Speaker 2: grew up in Melbourne who remembers that iconic moment. So
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  Speaker 2: NICKI WMA was being abused by crowd, it was being
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  Speaker 2: called all sorts of things you can imagine, and did
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  Speaker 2: you and this footy player would be called and he
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  Speaker 2: just kicked a goal and instead of exploding or screaming
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, he just lifted up his shirt and said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, basically, this black ass just kicked a goal
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  Speaker 2: and just beat your stupid team. And it was just
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  Speaker 2: such incredibly powerful image. I mean, just look at it.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing. And to think that he has disgraced that
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: image by his actions last year is just incredibly horrible
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: and sad. But it happened. And if you're going to
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: take down a statue that was erected for a particular person,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe there's a limit somewhere. I mean, maybe
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: there's a few statues of Rolf Harris that have to
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: come down. But generally speaking, you know this idea that
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: you sort of retrospectively, you say, all right, no, no,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: we've decided you've done the wrong thing. And again it's
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: not applying modern values to something that was okay a
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: while ago, and the tearing down of the statues by
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: the left these days, but it's kind of got a
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: bit of that to it. But like, what if he repents,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: says sorry, you know, becomes a born again Christian, the
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: woman says, she begins in what do they do? Do they
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: put the statue back up? And everybody, if he relives
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: is they go, no, we're going to get in it.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: See. Funnily enough, they haven't decided what to do with
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: the statue, so they've removed it, They've put it into storage,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: or they figure out do we keep it on ice,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: do we smash it? What do we do? I disagree
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: with both of you. I think the statue should remain
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: and I think you should remain in the Hall of
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Fame for this reason, as you said, the statue is
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: to commemorate a historic moment in time, not to commemorate
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: a perfect person. And that moment in time back in
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three changed AFL football, and in fact, it
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: was so significant it did more than change football. It
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: changed the culture in terms of its awareness of racism
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: and its attitude towards indigenous people. So to remove the
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: statue is to do a disservice to a historic moment
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: and to the fight against racism. In terms of the
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, he's in the Hall of Fame because
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: he's an outstanding citizen, but because he was a brilliant
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: AFL footballer. And if you keep people, then remove them,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: keep them, remove them. You're going to be forever rewriting
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: history every time somebody fails. History is not about saints.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: It's about flawed fall and human beings who are magnificent ruins.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: They do brilliant things, and they do stupid things. And
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: surely we can be smart enough that we can honor
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: the brilliants of people while at the same time being
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: honest about their flaws and failings, and hold those two
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: things at the same time. And everyone sees a statue
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: outside Optics Stadium, of course people are going to say
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: that was a great moment. And by the way, did
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you hear what heats?
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: That's right, And I actually think that's even more powerful
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: because it's not covering it up and whitewashing it, because
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: it does, as I tried to say before, perhaps not
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: very well, but it does make you feel kind of
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: a bit sick and a bit sad, and it reminds
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: you to be more vigilant about that kind of stuff.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: And it reminds you that sometimes people who do the
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: worst thing can be the best footed players. And so
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: that's another reason I think you should say the same
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: thing I think about historic figures who did terrible things.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: You know, we should leave the statue of Winston Churchill
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: there and remind ourselves that you know, yes he was Yeah,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: he defeated Hitler and saved the world from Nazism.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: But also a lot of indigenous activists are saying the
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: statue should stay and you're only removing it because you's Aboriginal.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: And yet some of those same activists want Captain Cook
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: statues removed. Well, this is with Coloni.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Problem, and this is the problem.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: And this is why I think that the WA government
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: has jumped very quickly on this because they're worried about
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: the backlash.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Should they keep the statue up?
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: And this is the problem, right, because if they keep
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: the statue up, then they risk oh you know, how
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: dare you? I mean, the med Too movement would go
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: after them and say how dare you? How do you
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: do this, and that's why I think that they've quickly
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: jumped to try and get rid of it. But then
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: you also risk possibly at being vandalized, and I think,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I think it also ra are really and again, this
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: is the sort of thing that I've been talking about
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: for years that basically the activist left is too either
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: gutless or stupid to which is the horrible link between
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: indigenous remote indigenous communities and domestic violence, where incidents of
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: DV are way way way higher in particularly these remote
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: disadvantaged communities. And it's and it's not a you know,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: it's not exactly a head scratch as to why there's unemployment,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: there's poverty, family breakdown, grog, all these things. I mean,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I see it very much as a poverty and a
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: disadvantage problem. But again, the fact that you've got this
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: absolute hero of football who changed the game for indigenous
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: people but has also had now that conviction recorded against
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: him just last year, it tells us an uncomfortable truth
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: that we shouldn't cover up and take down because it
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: actually makes us think. And I think you'd find that
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: me too. Movement might find itself a little bit conflicted
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: about how worked up. It gets about this because it
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: too would be seen as too scared to actually confront
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: the issue of domestic violence where it is not convenient
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: to their safe little worldview, where it actually, you know,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: where they actually would have to tackle it where it
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: is happening the most. But they might be scared to
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: be a little bit racist.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: And so well, we took racism and sport and colonialism
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: and Indigenous affairs. Cricket Australia have announced that on Australia
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Day twenty twenty seven, they will play a cricket match.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: We haven't had a cricket match on January twenty six
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: for a couple of years because Cricket Australia felt conflicted
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: as to whether we should play cricket on Australia Day.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: People have different ideas about the day and so there's
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: been no game to watch. But they've now said the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Big Bash Final will be played on January twenty six.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Although they're a little reluctant to promote the Australia Day
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: side of the Australia Day cricket match too much for
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: fear of upsetting people. They are saying that the national
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: anthem may not be played. They'll leave that up to
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: whichever team is hosting the event, and we remain to
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: see whether or not they'll even call it the Australia
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Day Big Bash Final, because when they were playing on
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Australia Day, they didn't mention it. As a way of
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: trying to avoid controversy. Novi Peris has made an interesting
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: suggestion about the game. She said, there's no reason why
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the Australian flag the Aboriginal flag in the Torres Strait
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Islander flag could not fly together, or why they could
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: not have a minute silence to acknowledge the fallen I
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: presume that's Indigenous people who died as a result of
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: English settlement, and then go on and sing the national anthem.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: The anthem's words, she says, beautiful. With the Olympics coming
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: to Brisbane in twenty thirty two, we don't want to
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: set a precedent that the anthem is a bad thing.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Our nation is facing an identity crisis. We have to
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: co exist.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Amen.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I have mixed feelings about this, like I'm thrilled, I'm
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: thrilled they're playing the game. I just have mixed feelings
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: about cricket Australia. They're saying we're going to play on
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Australia Day, but we may not play the national anthem,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: which seems to me like they are using Australia Day
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: for nothing more than revenue. If you're going to play
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: an Australia Day game, make it an Australia Day game.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: If you don't want it to be an Australia Day game,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: then don't play the game. But this half in, half
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: out attitude because well it will make a lot of
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: money TV rights gate receipts seems to me a very
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: cynical exercise.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Half pregnant. You can't be half patriotic. Either you're in
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: or you're out. And I think no oviparis So, one
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: of our greatest ever Olympic Indigenous sportswomen. Just listen to
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: her Cricket Australia. Just listen to what you just said
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: and just do that. It's pretty simple. You can celebrate everyone,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: you can acknowledge the pre colonial history, you can sing
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the national anthem, you can fly the Australian flag, you
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: can fly the Aboriginal flag as well if you're worried
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: about that, or the Torris Stralia and the straight on
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: the floor. But just do it. Celebrate it instead of
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: just whimpering like just cowards. I find it just staggering
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: that people just don't you know, they don't have the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: balls to not do something, but they don't have the
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: balls to do something. It's like, for the love of God,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: how did you get to where you are?
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: I actually disagree with part of what Noverparis said. Why
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: do we need to have a moment of silence? It's
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Australia Day, for goodness sake. Why do we need to
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: have a moment of silence? And what if is cricket
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Australia saying to us, oh, well, you know we might
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: not sing the national anthem? Are you going to give
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: us a welcome to country? You're going to put that
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: into the schedule as well? That's my big concern. So
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: I don't agree with everything Noverparis said, but I think
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: that her last line summed it all up. She said,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: our nation is facing an identity crisis. Well, yeah, hello,
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: if our nation is facing an identity crisis, then wouldn't
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: we put the national anthem in? I mean, the cricket
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: is one of our nationals.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Why do we know that?
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: But why do we need to have a moment of
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: silence because for some people it is it doesn't matter.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: We still buy the Australian flag.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: If we are having an identity crisis, then why wouldn't
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: we just say, you know what, this is how we
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: celebrate Australia Day. We sing the national anthem, we fly
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: the Aussie flag. If you don't like it, I'm sorry.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: That's how that is our identity. And I think that
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: she's spot on when she says we're having an identity crisis,
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: and we're debating our identity crisis right now, and that
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: is the problem.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Sixty percent of.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Us voted no to being divided by the color of
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: our skin. And I think that a majority of Australians
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: are absolutely sick to death by these corporations like Cricket
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Australia telling us how to think and.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: What to think.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Well. Roy Morgan Pole at the start of this year
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: found seventy two percent of Australians want Australia Day to
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: be celebrated on January twenty sixth. There you go, So
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Cricket Australia are pandering two activists. I'm with Aneker on this.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not I get the idea of the moment's silence
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: for you know that the harms that were done through colonization.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: But then are you really celebrating Australia or saying, you
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: know what, it was a bit of a buger. But
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: since we're here sing the national anthem.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: To say this obviously has different meanings for different people,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: and yes we acknowledge it for something, do.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: We need to say different meanings for different.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Christmas has different.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: But this is Australia has different.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Meanings for different people.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: We're under one.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: We're going to have like those seasons greetings, Yeah.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Every single celebration. Are we going to panda to those
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: people who might not be excited about it?
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: No? I think if you do that, what I'm saying is,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: if you do that, if you do acknowledge that, then
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: you are making Australia Day more of a source of
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: celebration for more people and more utian.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: About behind it. We have a moment's silence because colonization
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: did bring difficulty and harm for Indigenous people. And then
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: then and then we have a moment saying and at
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: the same time, thank God for the Brits what they
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: bought common law plumbing, absolutely the Romans for us. Right,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: do you know why we do both those things. I've
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: been favoring that.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I think the siting of the national anthem? What is that?
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: What Gallant Cook from England?
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Just how we simplify it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: We say we're Australian, we're all under the one flag,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: the Australian flag, and we all celebrate the national anthem.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: That's it's It's really just a no brainer. I don't
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: know why suddenly it's all we're going to do a
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: moment of science. If we're going to do the national anthem,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: were better pop in a welcome to country too, because
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: we don't want to offend it. Were better fly for
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: the three flags, the three the.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Threeing something about the Greeks as well, and.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Then well the great we're bringing the Italians as well.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: While we're at it, Joe.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Get the Indian Prime Minister, the crowd going.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: We'll get Nonda Noreendra Modi out at Marvel Stadium and
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: have packed out Marvel Stadium to do it too.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Now I want to ask you both, when you were young,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: did you have a plan in the monkey bars?
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I was terrible at the monkey bar.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: It's a bit of fun on the monkey bars. Unconscious
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: A couple of times really, Well, there you a.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Couple of times, just once.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Just one suddenly assumed twice gives me accident prone vibes. Well, look, James,
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: actual isn't alone because the monkey bars are the number
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: one causes of injuries right now in kids, and now
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: there are.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Calls to ban the monkey bars all together. Can you
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: believe it?
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Now, school injuries have resulted in more than thirty five
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: thousand visits to hospital emergency departments by Victorian primary primary
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: age children during a three year figure period.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Rather now playground equipment, here we go. This is the table.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: So about a quarter of children were injured during school
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: recreational activities, followed by playing soccer, AFL basketball. Monkey bar
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: mishaps accounted for almost sixty percent, with kids suffering fractures, dislocations, sprains, strains,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: open wounds, behind an average of two hundred and ninety
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: two children seeking emergency school treatment every single week. Now, look,
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: you can't ban the monkey bars for goodness sake. I
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: think that the monkey bars, or like any playground equipment,
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: right there's a risk involved.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: There's always a risk involved, but.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: It teaches kids resilience. It teaches kids to pick themselves
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: up and get back out there and try again. And
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: I think being injured or being sick is all part
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: of normal childhood. It is, It's just the part of it.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: You fall over, you fall off a trampoline. But you
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: can't just ban everything and wrap kids up in cotton wool.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: They've got to make the assessment and risk assessment for
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: themselves and learn.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: When I read that thirty five thousand primary school kids
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: have been taken a hospital in the past three years
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: from playground instance, I thought this is fantastic news. They
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: weren't sitting inside on their screens. They were out taking risks,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: learning that sometimes you fall, you dust yourself off again.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: The emergency department.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I spent my sign basically spent his entire formative years
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: at the emergency department. There was all sorts of things.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: There was one thing, God, docs are going to come
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: and arrest me after the show. But there was one
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: thing where him and a mate stuck this sort of
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: piece of wood between our fence and in the backyard
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: and this sort of growth and something to the next door,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: and he fell down and split his head open. There
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: were kids who'd come over and they'd fall through the
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: sort of trapdoor that for some reason I put in
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: the cubby house that I'd built for them. There's also
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: a flying fox that was an absolute death trap. It
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: was like a cable. I don't know how I managed
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: to do it, but I've got this steel cable from
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Bunnings and a little sort of pulley system attached to
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: tire that I'd taken from my mechanics tire pile. But
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: for reasons I didn't think through, the flying fox went
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: down straight into the side into the wooden like wall
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: of the cubby house.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: It would be a design floor.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: It was a design floor which was above a kind
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: of pile of rocks. So we had this thing here
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: and so kids would constantly come and say, oh, can
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I go on the phoning Max?
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: And I know this.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Anyway, nobody died exactly. Most of the kids came back.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: You know. An interesting theory with why all of these
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: injuries have taken place. Someone's postulating that there's a decline
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: in motor skills with kids because they have spent so
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: much time on screens, not riding bikes, climbing things that
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: kids just aren't as what's the word extraordin coordinated as
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: they used to be, and are therefore suffering more injuries
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: now that they're off their phones and out in the playground.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: But who's to blame for that?
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Mum and day?
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Is this a pair? I think it's a parental thing.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: It's excepting my kid's case, excepting.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Your kids case. That's it. But I wonder that if
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: it's a parental thing.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: They're keeping them inside and letting them watch television or movie.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Did you know the author and educated John Marsden very
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: famously you might notice, started up his own score because
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: he was so worried about this that kids were being
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: mully coddled, like you say, wrapping cotton wool, weren't learning
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: how to and this is one of the other problems
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: with social media, weren't learning how to think for themselves,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: make their own decisions, negotiate sort of risk and reward.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: And and so he basically started a school with no
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: rules where kids could just run around, climb trees, do
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: whatever they want to build, you know, bondfire. I don't
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: know what they do. And he said it's been an
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: absolute success. No kids suffered a serious injury. The kids
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: kind of talk about what they're going to do and say,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: maybe we shouldn't do that. That's a bit march. I
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: don't know. I've got a few scrapes and stuff. But
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: apparently it's worked fine, and sure tomorrow they'll be rebored.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Had their first fatality.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a school with no rules. I'm not so sure.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I'm convinced, but I'm interested.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: You're like the cricket Australia. You're either in all the way.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Oh you get off at the first time.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: All right, Before we go to a break, we've got
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: to talk about an ABC article published on Friday where
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: they talked about climate change being a major driver of
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: child marriage across Asia and the Pacific. Now, the article
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: talked about the fact that there are in increasing numbers
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: of storms around the Asian and Pacific region. The storms
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: are not more prevalent because of climate change, but the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: article does say the intensity of these storms is because
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: of climate change. That's not really the point. The point
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: is that because of these storms, agricultural lands are destroyed.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Parents can't afford to feed their kids, so they sell
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: their daughters to older men who are looking for a
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: girl to marry. Thus, climate change is driving child marriage.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: A couple of problems with this story.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to admire.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Wow, well, it's a long bow that they have drawn.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: But I mean, child marriage has been practiced for well
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: over a thousand years, long before the Industrial Revolution caused
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: climate change, So I'm not really sure this thesis holds water.
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  Speaker 4: What an incredible piece of journalism from the public broadcast,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: so that this is actually probably their top top couple.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: Never mind, you know the perverse of Islam, for example,
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: that permits child marriages. Did they want to maybe talk
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: about that that's.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Going on in the world?
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: No, very hot in the Middle East.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: It's apparently it's very hot in the Middle East, but.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: No climate change.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: But look, you know, I think anyone like Chris Bowen
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: would be happy with an article of this caliber.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Really climate change? Is this responsible for everything?
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Everything? That's all right?
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: So I can tell so, yeah, maybe it's responsible for
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: the good stuff as well.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe if they bring the temperature down even more than
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: one point five degrees from pre industrial levels, that we
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: can end cousin marriage as well.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Or maybe the average age maybe you know,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: the kids will be staying at home till they're thirty
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: five years old. The parents go, oh my god, it's
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: too cold. How will I marry off my daughters, right.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Indeed, A right, We're going to go to a break.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: including tributes for Sam Neil. And remember that Sea World
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: helicopter crash a few years ago, shocking testimony from the
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: inquest reported in tomorrow's papers. We'll talk about it after this.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the program. Let's take a
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: look at what's making headlines tomorrow. You get them all
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: here first on the Late Debate, and of course Joe.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Most of the papers paying tribute tomorrow to the actor
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Sam Neil, who traded.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, as you would have heard throughout the day
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: and scene, and the lovely tribute that Paul Murray made
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: at the end of his show Sam Neil, who is
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: one of the most beloved actors of all time, most
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: beloved Australian actor. Of course, we're not letting the Kiwis
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: have him. He's ours now. All the major papers are
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: putting on the front page. But I thought this front
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: page by the Daily Telegraph was really just the most
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: beautiful tribute. It's got him looking absolutely dashing like the
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: silver fox that he was, and it just says well
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: played Sam and I looked at that, and that is
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: when the Telly is at its absolute best. That is
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: just a classy, beautiful you'll see other front pages, none
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: of them, i'd think, con just the simple gratitude that
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: so many of us feel for his incredible work. He
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: was someone I think everyone found, Everyone felt that they
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: knew his breakthrough film Death in Brunswick was made and
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: came out when a bunch of us in Melbourne actually
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: sort of living around there. You could see the houses
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: where it was filmed, and and he made dead him Jack.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: It's cool again.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned him looking like a silver fox,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: because well, tragically he's passed away. He does have a
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: movie coming out in October called The Fox. Yes, and
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I think he does the voice of Fox or the Magpie.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I can't remember. He went a bit strange after he
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: started drinking red bottle of red every night. But but
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: but yeah, it's going to be a very I think
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: moving and you know, I think people few tears in
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: their eyes as people.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: Because he had been he had been unwell, but a
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: couple of months ago he actually announced that he was cancer.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: For that's right, and then of course we know it's
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: something horrible as cancer.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: If it comes back again, sometimes it can be all over.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Also fun fact, well played Sam, great work by the Telly.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: But do you know the words play it again, Sam
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: were never actually uttered in the movie Casablanca. Nowhere in
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: the script there you go, Yeah, they said. The lady says,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: you know, play it Sam, Come on, Sam, you know
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: that song, Sam, You played it for her, Now play
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: for me. Never actually says play it against Sam. A
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: completely random bit of movie trivia in tribute to have
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: the greatest rock star of Australian cinema and also on
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the front of the Daily Telegraph. Sidney property prices are
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: in free fall. House prices across Metropolitan Sydney plummeting, despite
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Anthony albaneze Is promising his government's highly controversial
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: tax reforms would lead to property prices continuing to rise.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Values across Sydney, from the Eastern Beaches to the foot
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: of Blue Mountains have dropped in the past three months.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Data Biicotality house price mapping shows mccannabury Bankstown community of Earlwood,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Oh that's right on my door step recorded a nine
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: point five percent drop. Oh dear, oh, dear might be
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: changing my voting patterns now wow, followed by eight point
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: six percent in Marubra out, seven point nine percent in
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Randwick and seven point seven percent in campsy And for
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: those who aren't from Sydney, that is the north, south,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: east and west of the city.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Well, the other part of this daneika is that homes
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: in the Prominis's own electorate fell by five point five percent. Yeah,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: you know what.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: This is such a shame because there's so many first
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: home buyers out there who say took advantage of the
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Labor government's five percent home deposit scheme and now they're
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: in negative equity. But what happened to intergenerational equity? Wasn't
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: that the big shtick of the budget papers?
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: So incredibory unkind. He's doing great, haven't you noticed?
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: Yeh, it's doing absolutely terrific because you'll see on the
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: front page of the Australian First home buyers fall foul
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: of fit Australia's.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Oh no, sorry, actually we're not doing that.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Sorry, we are not doing that one, but that is
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: on the front page.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: We're still talking about house prizes. Sorry.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Noisy nats wage war on defector National's Federal President Andrew
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Fraser has declared war on Barnaby Joyce, laboring the Member
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: for New England's defection disgusting as he vows that the
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: party will make more noise to win against one nation.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: In an exclusive interview with the OS on the National
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: strategy to combat Pauline Hansen's resurgent party, mister Fraser, who
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: took over as president in October and plans to steer
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: the Nats through to the twenty twenty eight federal election,
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: acknowledge the party needs to do better to sell its
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: message and record.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: I just wonder how many more times.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: These attacks on one nation will actually work, because we
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: hear it all the time, but it's not working well.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: The funny thing about this article that begins with the
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: National's federal president calling Barnaby Joyce disgusting and saying we're
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: going to go to war with Barnaby Joyce. Then a
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: couple of paragraphs later he says the strategy is we've
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: got to sell ourselves better. I don't think beating up
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: one nation is the answer. The target is a poor government.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Then later on in the article he goes basically goes
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: on to say Barnaby Joyce was ungrateful for what the
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Nationals did for him, that they need to be much
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: more aggressive against One Nation. So I think they're still
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: undecided as to well what they want to.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: I don't think.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: I don't think anybody knows what they're doing at this point.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: But it does also say down the bottom very small
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: little exclusive.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: On the front page Alan Trail's One Nation.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: Victorian Labor MPs are privately questioning how Premier just Into
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Alan can revive the government's fortunes ahead of November state
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: election as they brace for fresh polling showing Labor remains
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: on course for defeat. A poll of six thousand, five
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: hundred victorians found One Nation leading both major parties with
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: twenty seven percent, ahead of Labor and the Coalition on
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: twenty six percent. That's quite a sizeable amount of Victorians.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Six yeah. I don't know who did this polling. Obviously
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: it doesn't say on the front and it's not online yet.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: But I have a few questions about it. Firstly, sample
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: size of six five hundred way more than you need
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: for a marginal era of about three percent, which is
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: all you need really for a pole. So I suspect
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: it might be a qualitative and quantitative pole may be
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: conducted over like those are the sort of numbers you
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: would see when people do, for example, the state by
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: state or demographic breakdown of a whole bunch of news
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: polls over a three month period, for example. So you
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: build up those because even just the sheer physicality of
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: making contact with that many people in a polling period.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: So I would my guess, I don't know, this is
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: pure guest, but my guess is that this would probably
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: be polling conducted over a longer period of time and
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: would include more numbers from when one nation was polling
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: higher generally than it is this week today. According to
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: other poles.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: The one thing I did see from this store is
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: it said that three quarters of those surveyed said they
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: had pretty much locked in their decisions, so they would
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: not be changing their vote though five months out from
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: the election. Is that common or is that?
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure, I think so. I don't know if
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: it is that unusual, because obviously labor would be eyeing. Okay,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: can we bring in Ben Carroll and will that make
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: any difference? And if you've still got a quarter I mean,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I'm a quarter half full kind of guy, but if
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: you've got a quarter of votes that are still there.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Still significant, still significant.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: But I think even when people like this was with
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: the voice, you know, this is what people were saying
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: with the voice. Oh, there's still a lot of undersided,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: still a lot of undecideds. There might have been people
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: who were saying they're undecided, but they pretty much knew,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: you know, Like what is undecided is that if it
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: turns out that, you know, Pauline Hanson is Charles Manson
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: reincarnated and she rips off her mask like a Scooby
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Doo episode, then maybe i'd vote for the What does
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: that mean?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I think most people not. I think people would still
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: vote for her anyway. Let's go to the front page
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: of the Canberra Times. Optics over Substance reads the headline,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: this is testimony from the Royal Commission into Anti Semitism.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: The article says. A former student says the Australian National
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: University's handling of anti Semitism on campus cast a shadow
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: over her years studying in Canberra. Leat I think is
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the way you pronounce her name told the Royal Commission
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: into Anti Semitism that the a and U had pursued
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: optics over substance and failed to protect Jewish students being
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: subjected to hate. She told the commission, I should be
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: able to look back on those years, which are some
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: of the most formative of one's young adult life. There's
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: beautiful periods of growth and intellectual discovery and fun, and
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: for the most part, I cannot do that. She says
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: that the university cared more about protecting its reputation than
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: protecting Jewish students. A and you had a pro Palestinian
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: on site sort of what do they call it, encampment
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: for one hundred and ten days. It was the longest
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I believe encampment of any of the universities.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were like a cess pity.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: And that's just not just saying you there were multiple
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: universities across the country.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: She talked about how she would hide her Jewish identity,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: even ordering a coffee on the university campus. She would
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: use a different name so people didn't know she was That.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Isn't that disgraceful? Descendant of Holocaust survivors and she's been
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: called a baby killer and a genocide supporter. Yeah, totally,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: someone who's from a Holocaust impacted family, A support of genocide. Incredible.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the Courier mail. Now, this is another
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: absolute crazy and horrible story. SeaWorld crash pilot distracted, he
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: didn't even look, says the front page. A pilot who
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: died alongside three passengers in a mid air collision between
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: two tourist helicopters at SeaWorld, as we all remember, of course,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: was quote totally distracted, drug effected unquote and failed to
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: check the airspace, his boss told him in quest. Yesterday,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: the Brisbane Coroners Court heard Ashley Jenkinson had been chatting
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: with two of his passengers who were his friends before
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: the crash. Surfers Paradise Helicopters, which was formerly Sea World Helicopters,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: obviously changed its name. Chief executive Brett Newman, was critical
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: of mister Jenkinson's role in the January twenty twenty three disaster.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely just wow, unbelievable to think that you would be
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: that reckless, yeap dude.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: All right, we go to a break, when we come
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: back and you've got to stick around after the break.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: We've got crazy buffalos, we've got cheeky goats, and we've
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: got a Russian machine gun that really does have a
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: mind all of its own. That's next. Okay, you've heard
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: the expression never smile on a crocodile, will Joe, you
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: probably should never take photos of a buffalo.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, or a bias that if you want
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: to use the technical nomenclatcher James, because we are talking
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: the great American buffalo. And I have to admit I
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: thought I found this video. I thought this has got
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: to be the winner tonight, and believe it or not,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: it's not. So just imagine how good things are going
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: to get. But this is a guy who approached a
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: bison in a national park in Wyoming, Yellowstone National Park.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: You might have heard of it, and just check out
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: the animal's response. Whoops. Yeah, so that's one way of
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: doing a cartwheel.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: He'd taken a photo of it, and he was quite
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: a distance away when he took the photograph, and the
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: thing charged him, chased him around the trees, and then
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: eventually flicked him nine feet into the air.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Obviously bisons don't like having their photo taken. They like celebrities.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: They like celebrities. Yeah, that certainly are like celebrities, a
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: bit like Prince Harry.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Now I think that Prince Harry is a bit of
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: a ghost, and I certainly don't mean the greatest of
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: all time. But he was out at a farm in
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: Warwick Sheer, about eighty miles northwest of London, as he
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: wraps up his again, off again UK tour and he
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: was actually stopped on by a goat, and maybe not
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: in an area where he wants to be stopped on
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: by a goat. Look, I don't really know why he
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: was there, to be honest, I don't know why he
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: just doesn't just bug her off back to montest One.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Of the crown jewels are protected much better than that.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: In the Power of London.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: That is a good one. Yet I feel sorry for
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: the goats. If anything, Why is he lying?
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: He's probably just getting He's probably getting information for his
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: new book. Maybe there was a royal around or something
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: and he thought I'd just wear a wire and pat
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: goats and information.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I hope that the goats were the only ones that
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: were horning in that situation.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Red spare all right, Well, I can top both of
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: those videos. Because the Russian military decided to train their
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: soldiers in using a helicopter rotary machine gun now rather
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: than train them on helicopters. They decided to use the
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: weapon on the ground, which apparently is not really a
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: smart idea. That is so good. I think we need
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: to see it again. You got to see it again.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Have a look again. That's good. What I mean awe
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: of is the guy not the guy who got flung off,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: but the guy who ducked so to get out of
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: the wall.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Really did duck? I mean, what does it say about
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: the Russian soldiers?
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: If you're Ukrainian and watching that, you're just go Yeah,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I was. We've got this.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: That's probably the best clip of the night. Yeah, Bison
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: was great, but that's an absolute.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: And we could not let Harry win. That's all we've
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: got time for tonight. We'll be back tomorrow night at
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: ten pm, but stick around. Coming up in just a
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: moment is the Reader Penny Show. Good Night,