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Examining Urban Meyer's Complicated Legacy · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow Morning for Tuesday, May twenty sixth.
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Speaker 1: you're getting an episode of the Buckeyeadle primetime Show with Juck.
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Speaker 1: He takes a look at urban Meyer's complicated legacy in
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Speaker 1: the wake of a big loss in the courtroom.
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Speaker 2: Hey it's Chuck. We are not bemoaning the noon kickoff.
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Speaker 2: We are now owning it. It's a badge of honor.
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Speaker 2: We're the lunatic fringe that defines our coaches legacy when
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Speaker 2: it comes to this game. They don't get to define
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Speaker 2: that outside the family who were cut from a different cloth.
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Speaker 2: Bro Hiowan's he's got it all, man. He's even got
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Speaker 2: the jaw. You know the jaw. You see that jaw
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Speaker 2: and you're just like, yeah, man, that's a that's a dude.
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Speaker 2: Do I want Michigan to beat Oklahoma. No way in hell.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what world I'm living in. This is
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Speaker 2: insane to me. And if you saw my outburst, I
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Speaker 2: apologize showtime now appreciate you guys for joining me. Sorry
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Speaker 2: for the UH, sorry for the for the bad intro there.
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Speaker 2: I hope you guys are having a fantastic Memorial Day.
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Speaker 2: I was gonna skip today because I didn't figure many
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Speaker 2: would be able to join us, as it is Memorial
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Speaker 2: Day and everybody's out having a good time. But I
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Speaker 2: skipped last Thursday because it was my youngest son's graduation,
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Speaker 2: which was really cool. That's the last one man, three
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Speaker 2: boys all up and growns up, and it's got me
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Speaker 2: feel in some type of way. This week. I gotta
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Speaker 2: tell you, man, I'm getting old. But I'm sitting here
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Speaker 2: reading the UH, reading the opening press conference highlights from
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Speaker 2: Greg Sank from SEC Spring Media Media Day's meeting there
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Speaker 2: and we just had the Big Tens last week, and
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Speaker 2: I'm reading SANKI and it is very clear that he
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Speaker 2: is pushing back on everything. I love it. I absolutely
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Speaker 2: love it. He's Doug his heels in petity and Sank
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Speaker 2: clearly were at one point like kind of on the
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Speaker 2: same page, and now no longer, these dudes like they
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Speaker 2: don't want anything to do with each other. Sankie was
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Speaker 2: even pushing back on something that I thought everybody was
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Speaker 2: in agree with, agreement with, which is making week zero
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Speaker 2: like week one, essentially pushing everybody back that date to
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Speaker 2: extend the season and add another bye week, and even
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Speaker 2: that one, he was like, no, I'm not for that.
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Speaker 2: I like it starting on labor days. So the dude
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Speaker 2: is totally dug his heels in, which is absolutely hilarious.
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Speaker 2: And I did a show last week over Juck on
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Speaker 2: Bucks talking about Ryan Day and in Ross, Gyork supporting
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Speaker 2: this twenty fourteen playoff, and it irritates me when Ohio
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Speaker 2: State administrators aren't really putting Ohio State first, because I
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Speaker 2: don't think that puts Ohio State first. I think that
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Speaker 2: puts the Big Ten first. And I went into all
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Speaker 2: the reasons why I think that is and all the
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Speaker 2: reasons why I think the twenty fourteen playoff is detrimental.
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Speaker 2: And on this one, the majority of college football fans,
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Speaker 2: certainly Buckeye fans, agree with me. And the funny thing
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Speaker 2: is the arguments that I got back from that show
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Speaker 2: and I read them all, and the one that consistently
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Speaker 2: comes up is why would you be against more football?
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Speaker 2: Why would you be against more football? That's the most
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Speaker 2: base level. Like if you look at this argument expanding
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Speaker 2: the playoff forever from twelve to twenty four and then
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Speaker 2: more in the future, if you look at this as
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Speaker 2: just more football and can't see any of the negative
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Speaker 2: things that come with that more football, just sit this
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Speaker 2: one out, man, Just sit it out. Don't even comment,
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Speaker 2: because it makes you look really, really bad, Like I
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Speaker 2: don't want you. Thank God, you're not managing my money.
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Speaker 2: If that's how far you could see it in the future,
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Speaker 2: it's just more football, that's it. That's all. Nothing changes,
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Speaker 2: just more football. Unbelievable. But a guy who always backs
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Speaker 2: up Ohio State is Ohio State first and forever will
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Speaker 2: be is Urban Meyer. And when we look at Urban Meyer, man,
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Speaker 2: it's a complicated legacy. Five Ohio State Coaches National Champion
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Speaker 2: is Paul Brown, a godfather of football. Woody is the
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Speaker 2: godfather of Ohio State football in so many ways, and man,
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Speaker 2: that legacy you just will live forever. I remember when
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Speaker 2: I was in high school and Ohio State had been
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Speaker 2: on a downturn for a long time as far as
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Speaker 2: like national championships, the game hat that just said Woody.
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Speaker 2: You guys remember that one. Like everybody my age group
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Speaker 2: had that hat that just said Woody on it. It
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Speaker 2: was a white game hat, and I had a bunch
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Speaker 2: of my buddies had, like everybody had that hat. Jim Tressel,
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Speaker 2: whose legacy is I mean, if it weren't for Tatgate,
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Speaker 2: that guy probably has a legacy that is just impeccable
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Speaker 2: and everybody loved as my guy. Trent here says more
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Speaker 2: games ruined basketball, baseball, hockey's regular season, even NFL regular
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Speaker 2: season is too long, and he's exactly right. But Ryan
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Speaker 2: day squeaky clean image, right, tough love, mental health buzzword
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Speaker 2: this season is pouring into players winning. With people like Woody,
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Speaker 2: there will never be any controversy around Ryan Day. Of course,
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Speaker 2: we would have said that about Tressel at some point too,
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Speaker 2: But even still, I think for Ohioans and Ohio State fans,
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Speaker 2: like nobody really looks at Tatgate from our side of
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Speaker 2: things and thinks any less of Jim Tressel, what he's
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Speaker 2: done with his life going on to be president of
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Speaker 2: Youngstown State, Akron Lieutenant governor. He's just to me like
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Speaker 2: he's the ultimate, not football aside, like he's just a
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Speaker 2: guy that I respect so much. Urban Meyer, on the
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Speaker 2: other hand, one of just two coaches who's won a
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Speaker 2: national championship at different stops, three total national championships, the
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Speaker 2: second best coach of his generation. The Urban Meyer legacy
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Speaker 2: is very, very complicated, and Urban Meyer again in the
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Speaker 2: news here recently for the finality of a lawsuit coming
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Speaker 2: from the worst year of his coaching career, and that
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Speaker 2: is his year as the Jaguars head coach in the NFL,
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Speaker 2: loses a big judgment. Five years after he was fired.
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Speaker 2: This thing was still hung up in court and he
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Speaker 2: claimed they still owed him thirty million, thirty million dollar
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Speaker 2: buyout pay out his contract, like we see so often
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Speaker 2: they say they terminate him him, terminated him for cause,
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Speaker 2: and he has not owed that buyout, and an independent
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Speaker 2: arbitrature our arbitrator ultimately ruled that the franchise was legally
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Speaker 2: justified in avoiding the remainder of his contract and he
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Speaker 2: was not going to get his thirty million dollars. And
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Speaker 2: this was posted on the Buckeye huddle Board and the
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Speaker 2: Buckeye huddle Board. I don't know how many boards you're
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Speaker 2: in on, but there are some boards where you say
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Speaker 2: anything negative about Ohio State and people will just pounce
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Speaker 2: on you. And that's kind of the culture of the board.
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Speaker 2: The Bucky huddle board is not like that. You can
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Speaker 2: say something critical and people will have a nice, educated conversation,
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Speaker 2: which is what I like about it, because, as you
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Speaker 2: guys know, I'm not someone I have the not just
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Speaker 2: the ability, but the desire to pull out and look
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Speaker 2: at Ohio State as though I'm not a fan and
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Speaker 2: judge it like I would judge anything else. And I
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Speaker 2: can do that with Ohio State coaches like Urban Meyer
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Speaker 2: as well. And when we look at Urban Man, there
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Speaker 2: is so much to him. He's a lightning rod, a
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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame coach, three national championships, and natives sout
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Speaker 2: of Ohio who loves Ohio State football as much as
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Speaker 2: anyone on earth. I think a lot of people have
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Speaker 2: a hard time with nuance, and I'm certain a lot
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Speaker 2: of people have a hard time with nuance when it
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Speaker 2: comes to college football, where you're either a national champion
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Speaker 2: or you suck. You know, we hear that all the
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Speaker 2: time a coach who's been to the playoffs multiple times already,
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Speaker 2: what has he ever won? You know, like you hear
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Speaker 2: things like that. By those people's definitions, there's only but
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Speaker 2: a few successful college football coaches right now, and one
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Speaker 2: of them they're counting Dabbo. But Urban from his exit
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Speaker 2: at Florida, which was incredibly odd and created a ton
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Speaker 2: of hostility from Florida fans that they still carry even
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Speaker 2: after winning them two national championships, they hated him and
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Speaker 2: they still do. And he's trying to ingratiate himself back
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Speaker 2: with Florida. He's talked to John Somemraw when they hired him,
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Speaker 2: said some rawl reminds him of a young version of him,
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Speaker 2: and they really hated him when he took the Ohio
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Speaker 2: State job after retiring at Florida. And I'm just sitting
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Speaker 2: here thinking, like, come on, man, Like what fan base
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Speaker 2: wouldn't make that trade for that brief time that Urban
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Speaker 2: Meyer was at Florida, even though he did leave it
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Speaker 2: in a bit of you know, shambles, a lot of arrest,
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Speaker 2: but for two national championships. Who wouldn't trade that? Every
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Speaker 2: fan base would trade that, every single one and he
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Speaker 2: won them two national championships. They only had one in
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Speaker 2: the history of that program. Before that, Florida was a
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Speaker 2: bum program for almost ever until Steve Spurrier took over.
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Speaker 2: But you did get the embarrassing arrests of course, Aaron
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Speaker 2: Hernandez deal, but two national championships absolutely worth it. And
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Speaker 2: the Florida football program, I think they thought that anybody
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Speaker 2: could come in and do that. After spur Spurrier. You
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Speaker 2: had a bad one in Ron Zuck, and then you know,
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Speaker 2: this is the way it was going to be when
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Speaker 2: urban Meyer came in and he leaves, and now we've
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Speaker 2: seen that program is not built for sustained excellence after
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Speaker 2: five coaches since urban Meyer, for sure. And when we
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Speaker 2: look at urban Meyer, who takes a year off, the
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Speaker 2: Ohio State job opens, he comes to Ohio State, and
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Speaker 2: the legacy got even more complicated at Ohios eight. The
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Speaker 2: way things ended at Ohio State. The Zack Smith situation,
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Speaker 2: for whoever anybody feels about that, whether you feel it's
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Speaker 2: total nonsense or whether you feel it's you know, he
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Speaker 2: should have done more, whatever it is, the public by
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Speaker 2: and large really really doesn't like him. A lot of
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Speaker 2: them because of that or they just use that as
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Speaker 2: amo to not like him because they don't like his personality.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people find him smug. And the part
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Speaker 2: that made it really difficult for Urban is he had
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Speaker 2: a lot of reporters that hated him. Right, reporters and
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Speaker 2: people that write articles are influential to people who don't
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Speaker 2: pay close attention. So if they hate him already and
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Speaker 2: then he gets himself in a situation where they can pounce,
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Speaker 2: then they pounce really hard. And we saw that with
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Speaker 2: so many college football journalists when they pounced on Urban
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Speaker 2: after that man, they pounced hard. They pounced very very hard,
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Speaker 2: and even if they were using facts, they slanted their
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Speaker 2: stories to make it more negative against him, and all
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Speaker 2: the animosity that they had about him really came out.
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Speaker 2: And then you got the season at Jacksonville. The season
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Speaker 2: at Jacksonville which didn't even finish in a full season, right,
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Speaker 2: he wasn't even there for an entire year, made him
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Speaker 2: the butt of a lot of jokes. I just saw
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Speaker 2: not too long ago a worst coaching hires in the
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Speaker 2: NFL since two thousand and he was like right at
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Speaker 2: the top of the list. And when you have a
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Speaker 2: very public failure like that, and you are someone who
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Speaker 2: is a kind of a control freak like Urban is,
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Speaker 2: that's just kind of a disaster. When you are that
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Speaker 2: much out of control, you're getting cooked. And like, why
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Speaker 2: did he do that? Anyway? Why did he want to
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Speaker 2: go take that on? What did he want to do
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Speaker 2: that for? Would you be surprised if one of the
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Speaker 2: big motivations for Urban doing that was to go try
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Speaker 2: to one up Saban failed in the NFL, I can
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Speaker 2: go beat him here. I don't know. I don't know
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Speaker 2: why he did it. I don't think we've ever heard
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Speaker 2: him talk extend about why he wanted to go do that,
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Speaker 2: because I think a lot of us knew that urban
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Speaker 2: Meyer being urban Meyer that we knew wasn't going to
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Speaker 2: work in the NFL. Certainly not right. But he takes
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Speaker 2: the Jacksonville job, and he goes into Jacksonville, and I
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Speaker 2: don't know what you thought about it, but for me,
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Speaker 2: uncharted waters obviously, how was he going to go about it? Now,
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Speaker 2: every longtime head coach builds a network of people that
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Speaker 2: they love and they trust and they respect, guys that
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Speaker 2: they've groomed and understand how they tick as a head coach,
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Speaker 2: And how do you get the job done for this
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Speaker 2: particular coach. And when he had the opportunity taking that
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Speaker 2: job at Jacksonville, there was no way in hell he
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Speaker 2: wasn't going to call on his network of people, right
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Speaker 2: every coach would. He didn't. And I'm talking about Mick
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Speaker 2: and I'm talking about Mark Pantoni, and those two guys
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Speaker 2: have been just as important to Ryan Day's success. His
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Speaker 2: coaching career at Ohio State is Ryan Day himself has
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Speaker 2: Ohio State is navigated through this nil era, I would
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Speaker 2: argue as good or better than anybody in the country.
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Speaker 2: Every single year it changed, it changes. And in the
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Speaker 2: part of that like the adapt to adaptation when it
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Speaker 2: comes to player acquisition and roster management, that's seventy five
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Speaker 2: percent Mark Pantoni. And if Urban wanted to take him
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Speaker 2: and Mick with him to Jacksonville, who knows what would
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Speaker 2: have happened. Who knows what would have happened. But Urban
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Speaker 2: looked and saw the position that Ryan Day was in,
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Speaker 2: brand new head coach at Ohio State, knew how important
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Speaker 2: that was for him to have those guys, his guys
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Speaker 2: that he put there, and he wouldn't touch them. And
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Speaker 2: to me, that says a Ton. That says a ton
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Speaker 2: and how much he cared about Ohio State football will
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Speaker 2: always have me looking at him in a very positive light,
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Speaker 2: very positive. You know, you look at Mick what a
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Speaker 2: big deal he is at Ohio State that we still
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Speaker 2: got like Earl little junior going from Alabama to Florida
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Speaker 2: State to Ohio State. He's got nothing but great things
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Speaker 2: to say about the strength and conditioning. Even that little
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Speaker 2: twit Bryson Shaw, that little twit Bryson Shaw, when he
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Speaker 2: had his little spat with Steel Chambers and was talking
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Speaker 2: about all the ways USC is better than Ohio State,
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Speaker 2: he said, strength and conditioning is the only area that
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Speaker 2: Ohio State still has. He even gave that to Ahist.
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Speaker 2: If that was it. And what happens if Mick was
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Speaker 2: in there or Pantoni wasn't there, Well, you would have
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Speaker 2: guys who were replacements. It's not like you have nobody.
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Speaker 2: Somebody else would have come in. But Ryan Day was
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Speaker 2: a brand new head coach, and who does he hire
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Speaker 2: in those situations? He doesn't have a network. Took him
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Speaker 2: a long time. He still doesn't have a very big network.
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Speaker 2: But Urban sacrificed that. He sacrificed his own NFL staff,
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Speaker 2: and we don't see that from other head coaches for
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Speaker 2: the good of Ohio State football before himself, and I
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Speaker 2: always thought that was something that I really really respected
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Speaker 2: and didn't think anybody else would do. Can you imagine
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Speaker 2: another coach doing that for the place he used to work.
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Speaker 2: I can't, especially when he left kind of angry. He
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Speaker 2: wasn't happy the way things went down. He wasn't happy
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Speaker 2: the way he left. But Urban's just a different type
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Speaker 2: of dude. The love he has for Ohio State cannot
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Speaker 2: be questioned. And I don't think he ever wanted to
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Speaker 2: let Ohio State fans down. I think that's honestly the truth.
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Speaker 2: And I invoked him the other day when I was
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Speaker 2: talking about the twenty fourteen playoff. Steve Sarkesian came out
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Speaker 2: at Texas. He's been running his mouth a lot lately,
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Speaker 2: but he was talking about the twenty fourteen playoff, and
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Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't help Texas. He doesn't want it,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't help Ohio State. Urban Meyer would not want it.
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Speaker 2: Urban Meyer would not give a damn what Tony Petiti
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Speaker 2: thought of what the Big ten stance was, wasn't for
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Speaker 2: Ohio State or didn't benefit number one. First, he would
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Speaker 2: not run the company line Ryan Day does, and that's
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Speaker 2: really one of the only criticism I have Ryan Day, really,
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Speaker 2: But this topic was big on the big board, Man,
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Speaker 2: and people were weighing in about Urban, and I started
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Speaker 2: getting surprised, and I was getting surprised at how many
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Speaker 2: Ohio State fans who are and these are people who
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Speaker 2: are in it like us, but how many Ohio State
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Speaker 2: fans were having more of a negative view on Urban.
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Speaker 2: And I think it's more now than it was in
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Speaker 2: the first few years after he left. And maybe some
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Speaker 2: of that has to do with the success that Ryan
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Speaker 2: Days had. I don't know, but it feels like the
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Speaker 2: further it gets away, usually you see things mend and
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Speaker 2: you see that go the other way. But I'm seeing
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Speaker 2: a lot who just aren't too happy about it. Man
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Speaker 2: not too happy about Urban and the things that happened
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Speaker 2: under his watch, underachieving the losses to Purdue and Io,
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Speaker 2: which I've always been brought up at the Clemson loss,
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Speaker 2: and more so than that, the program being on a
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Speaker 2: downturn in a lot of people's minds when he turned
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Speaker 2: it over to Ryan Day and missing the playoffs, and
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Speaker 2: in fifteen with that roster pretty unconscionable, just a lot
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Speaker 2: of baffling stuff that went down, but you got the
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Speaker 2: Michigan wins, and then a lot of people say, well,
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Speaker 2: Michigan was really weak then, and the conference sucked and
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Speaker 2: just kind of trying to tear him down. And I
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Speaker 2: don't know if if that has to do with maybe
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Speaker 2: a little bit the way he went and embarrassed himself
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Speaker 2: in Jacksonville. I don't know, but there's a lot of
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Speaker 2: Ohio State fans I feel like, have kind of gone
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Speaker 2: away from him. As you know, I always said that
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Speaker 2: I don't like coaches staying in one spot too long,
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Speaker 2: because I think we've learned how that can kind of
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Speaker 2: make somebody become like a deity on their campus, like
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Speaker 2: Paterno or Bowden. And at one point, it felt to
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Speaker 2: me like the love people felt for Urban and the
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Speaker 2: confidence people had in Urban was more outsized than he
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Speaker 2: could ever deliver. But it felt like people thought he
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Speaker 2: was just the you know, the everything, the hands, and
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Speaker 2: I didn't agree with that. I never agreed with that
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Speaker 2: while he was here. But there's a couple comments on
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Speaker 2: that board that I wanted to share with you guys.
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Speaker 2: One I'll never understand why we love to tear Urban down.
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Speaker 2: The man went seven to zero against tea time and
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Speaker 2: continues to bleed scarlet and gray. And I don't understand
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Speaker 2: why anybody would want to bring him down. I wish
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Speaker 2: they would bring him to talk to the talk to
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Speaker 2: the team every year the week of the game. And
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Speaker 2: that comment I found interesting because Urban is an extremely
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Speaker 2: flawed person and we should be honest about him in
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Speaker 2: his tenure. Somebody else adds, But after that guy made
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Speaker 2: that comment, there were a lot of comments that came
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Speaker 2: back and basically said that people are closing their eyes
18:49
Speaker 2: to what he really was, to what he really was,
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Speaker 2: which was a very flawed individual, and we should point
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Speaker 2: out those flaws and we should point out the bad thing.
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Speaker 2: And I'm just looking at this, like man, just observing, right,
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Speaker 2: it's not the way people usually talk about legendary coaches
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Speaker 2: in their program. As far as calling him a very
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Speaker 2: flawed individual, like I think that's a bit much. I
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Speaker 2: call people who are habitual cheaters or habitual people who
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Speaker 2: stomp on people around them, like if that's your em
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Speaker 2: if you hurt people that you love consistently, Like all right, now,
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Speaker 2: you're just kind of a piece of trash, right, I
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Speaker 2: don't know Urban enough to be able to say that.
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Speaker 2: I've seen one video of him doing something like that.
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Speaker 2: As far as the situation with Zach could have been
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Speaker 2: handled differently on his end, absolutely, At the same time,
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Speaker 2: can I also see that part of that might have
19:46
Speaker 2: come from like love, Yes, I can. So how mad
19:50
Speaker 2: can I be about that? Because I don't know. I
19:53
Speaker 2: don't know how I would handle the situation, and I
19:55
Speaker 2: don't know all the details. But saying that somebody is
19:58
Speaker 2: a very flawed individual think is successive when you don't
20:01
Speaker 2: really know all the details. I do know that his
20:05
Speaker 2: family really loves him a ton, and you know his
20:08
Speaker 2: wife didn't leave him, right, I don't know. I think
20:12
Speaker 2: people go a little bonkers on stuff like that when
20:14
Speaker 2: they see it in public, But there's never been a
20:17
Speaker 2: repeat of that, and that was the only instance I
20:19
Speaker 2: ever saw it. Did he underachieve? Did he underachieve as
20:23
Speaker 2: the head coach at Ohio State? I think you could
20:28
Speaker 2: definitely fairly say that urban Meyer underachieved, But he underachieved
20:32
Speaker 2: based on the success in the way that he built
20:36
Speaker 2: the program up. If he had never built it up
20:39
Speaker 2: that high, then he wouldn't have been able to underachieve.
20:42
Speaker 2: But he built it high, and he built it high fast.
20:46
Speaker 2: And then there was you know, there was missus. There
20:50
Speaker 2: was missus and hires, there was missus and things. The
20:54
Speaker 2: air was heavy when he was in the Woody and
20:57
Speaker 2: always wanted to talk to people who cover the team
21:00
Speaker 2: back then and cover the team now and discuss with
21:05
Speaker 2: them what it felt like to them, just as media
21:09
Speaker 2: being in the building back then under Urban versus versus
21:12
Speaker 2: Ryan Day. And maybe I should bring on Tony if
21:15
Speaker 2: he's man. I should have talked to Tony before this
21:18
Speaker 2: and just brought him in because Tony could answer this question.
21:22
Speaker 2: But every player who played under Urban, I mean, it
21:26
Speaker 2: was just a totally different experience than Dane. I wasn't
21:28
Speaker 2: even that long ago. But when we talk about the
21:35
Speaker 2: Jacksonville deal, how did you think he was gonna do?
21:38
Speaker 2: So he goes into Jacksonville, they got the number one pick.
21:42
Speaker 2: They're coming off a one in fifteen season. They got
21:46
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, the guy we watched beat Ohio State. I
21:49
Speaker 2: actually got to watch him play his first game. I
21:52
Speaker 2: was my son, my oldest son, had just graduated from
21:54
Speaker 2: boot camp in South Carolina, and it timed up perfect
21:59
Speaker 2: with a Clemson Syracuse home game and he graduates. I
22:06
Speaker 2: take the rest of the family to the game, and
22:09
Speaker 2: we go to the game, and it was the hottest
22:13
Speaker 2: day I've ever felt in my life. The way those
22:16
Speaker 2: stands are at Clemson, they're just like, I don't know, man,
22:19
Speaker 2: I don't the way it's positioned like, it's NonStop son
22:22
Speaker 2: the whole time. And my wife and my youngest boy
22:25
Speaker 2: had to watch the game. They they didn't watch the game.
22:27
Speaker 2: They went to the concourse for like three quarters of
22:29
Speaker 2: the game. That's how hot it was. But I had
22:32
Speaker 2: to stay on it. I had to stay. And it
22:34
Speaker 2: ended up coming down to an overtime game. And Clemson
22:38
Speaker 2: was like number three in the country early in the season,
22:42
Speaker 2: and Trevor Lawrence ends up getting knocked out of the
22:44
Speaker 2: game with a concussion. It was amazing. So it was
22:48
Speaker 2: a great game. I was rooting against Clemson, of course,
22:52
Speaker 2: but they ended up winning. Clemson fans were very, very happy.
22:55
Speaker 2: But an interesting game there. But how did you think
23:00
Speaker 2: urban was gonna do? Obviously we know urban style is
23:04
Speaker 2: not going to work in the NFL. The urban style
23:07
Speaker 2: that we knew. He can't go talking and ruling with
23:11
Speaker 2: an iron fist when he goes to the NFL. But
23:14
Speaker 2: I assumed that Urban also knew that, because you knew
23:18
Speaker 2: it and I knew it. These are grown pros. They're
23:21
Speaker 2: in the real world. They've got families, they're making money,
23:23
Speaker 2: they've got power, they've got a union. These aren't high
23:27
Speaker 2: school kids, these aren't college kids. We are long past
23:30
Speaker 2: the time where you can speak to grown men like
23:33
Speaker 2: Urban Meyers spoke to college football players or the stuff
23:36
Speaker 2: he pulled with college football players, and many people said
23:40
Speaker 2: to me, it's never gonna work. Urban style's not going
23:43
Speaker 2: to work. And I just said, there's no way he's
23:44
Speaker 2: going to be that same style when he goes to
23:46
Speaker 2: the NFL. He gets that, he gets it. He didn't
23:50
Speaker 2: get it, guys, he didn't get it at all. As
23:53
Speaker 2: it turns out. Uh, it was disastrous. It was an
23:57
Speaker 2: absolute disaster. So that he is still fighting a lawsuit
24:02
Speaker 2: which we'll go to court here from December of twenty
24:06
Speaker 2: twenty one. That lawsuit the kicker Josh Lambeau, that's going
24:11
Speaker 2: to court in August, guys, August five years later. But
24:17
Speaker 2: his tenure started off an absolute nightmare. Hiring Chris Doyle
24:22
Speaker 2: he hires Chris Doyle, who had just been fired at Iowa,
24:28
Speaker 2: and he was fired at Iowa for a controversy where
24:32
Speaker 2: black players were saying, this dude has been just a
24:35
Speaker 2: racist nightmare for years now, Is it true? I don't know.
24:40
Speaker 2: Would you hire somebody under that circumstance as a first
24:43
Speaker 2: year coach? Really really bad idea, really bad idea. It
24:49
Speaker 2: was enough for Iowa to get rid of him. You
24:51
Speaker 2: don't want to bring that guy in. I don't care
24:54
Speaker 2: how good he is, you don't want to bring him in.
24:56
Speaker 2: But he brings him in. So that was kind of
24:59
Speaker 2: like Strik number one. And the dude ends up resigning
25:03
Speaker 2: like the day after he's hired, but Urban defended him first,
25:07
Speaker 2: and then he resigns, and then he gets fined by
25:10
Speaker 2: the NFL pulling one of his Urban things. The Jaguars
25:15
Speaker 2: were fined by the NFL for violating rules and the
25:17
Speaker 2: collective Bargaining Agreement for OTAs he was working the guys
25:21
Speaker 2: out more than they were supposed to be working out.
25:24
Speaker 2: The Jags get fined. Erbin gets fined out of his
25:27
Speaker 2: own pocket one hundred grand. And this is where you're
25:29
Speaker 2: seeing Urban is treating these guys like a college football team,
25:33
Speaker 2: not like an NFL team. They've got a union. You're
25:37
Speaker 2: not gonna overwork NFL players. They've collectively bargained for those rights,
25:42
Speaker 2: and you're not going to do that to a grown man.
25:45
Speaker 2: That's what they got a union for. You're going to
25:47
Speaker 2: follow those rules or it's not going to go good
25:49
Speaker 2: for you. The NFLPA launched an investigation into Urban's vaccination comments.
25:56
Speaker 2: Then here we go again with the NFLPA. The union
26:00
Speaker 2: began investigation into Urban Meyer when he mentioned that the
26:03
Speaker 2: COVID nineteen vaccination status was being factored in to roster
26:07
Speaker 2: cut down decisions. Quote, everyone was considered myer set at
26:11
Speaker 2: the time. That was part of the production. Let's start
26:15
Speaker 2: talking about this and that, and also are they vaccinated
26:18
Speaker 2: or not? So they're sitting there making decisions on who
26:20
Speaker 2: they're gonna cut off the roster, and you got some
26:24
Speaker 2: guys on the bubble, all right, is he vaccinated? That
26:28
Speaker 2: was one of the determining factors in their roster cuts
26:31
Speaker 2: in that one man. That one pissed a lot of
26:33
Speaker 2: people off. You know a lot of stories back then
26:39
Speaker 2: of people losing their livelihoods over a vaccine, and my
26:45
Speaker 2: experience was a little different than most people's with COVID.
26:48
Speaker 2: I lost my dad very early on, so I was
26:53
Speaker 2: screwed up in the head, man, I was screwed up
26:55
Speaker 2: in the head over that it was so it was
26:58
Speaker 2: so fat. I mean, it was just so unbelievable to me.
27:01
Speaker 2: He was so healthy, so young, and no comorbidities, and
27:05
Speaker 2: it just really weighing in my own opinion on those things.
27:09
Speaker 2: It's just my experience was totally different. But I do
27:14
Speaker 2: remember being so ticked off when I saw people losing
27:17
Speaker 2: their livelihoods over being scared to take that thing like
27:21
Speaker 2: I took it. Obviously, have my family take it, because
27:25
Speaker 2: I was just a basket case at the time. But
27:30
Speaker 2: I used to get so mad when I would see
27:32
Speaker 2: people losing their jobs over it, like they're scared, man,
27:35
Speaker 2: you know. And and the fact that he was in
27:37
Speaker 2: on that cutting guys over that was like what. I
27:40
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. And then of course you get the
27:44
Speaker 2: viral video in October of twenty one, the viral video
27:47
Speaker 2: where they go play Cincinnati and Cincinnati on a Thursday
27:51
Speaker 2: night game and he decides he's not going to fly
27:53
Speaker 2: home with the team. He's going to stay in Ohio,
27:56
Speaker 2: which he does, and he says he's going to I
28:00
Speaker 2: forget what he said he was gonna do, spend some
28:03
Speaker 2: time with the family and attend like some kind of event,
28:06
Speaker 2: and then the video comes out. I think it was
28:09
Speaker 2: either Thursday night or Friday night of him with the woman,
28:13
Speaker 2: you know, the young girl kind of trying to dance
28:16
Speaker 2: on him. It was just a really awkward video and
28:19
Speaker 2: that didn't go well, and it really didn't go well
28:22
Speaker 2: with people like my wife, right because everybody knew Shelley Meyer,
28:26
Speaker 2: very lovable lady who put herself out on front street.
28:30
Speaker 2: You know, she wanted to be a part of it.
28:32
Speaker 2: And it's not like Ryan Day's wife Nina, who prefers
28:35
Speaker 2: to you know, she doesn't want to be in the spotlight.
28:37
Speaker 2: Shelley was out there and women love Shelley like women
28:41
Speaker 2: loved her. And urban Meyer holds a press conference after that,
28:46
Speaker 2: saying that his family was very mad and apologize for
28:49
Speaker 2: that being a distraction. And for a guy that's a
28:53
Speaker 2: control freakman, it's a tough one. So you got all
28:57
Speaker 2: this stuff in less than a year. And then reports
29:02
Speaker 2: over tension between the staff and the players, frustration things
29:08
Speaker 2: are breaking down, there were reports that the Jaguars players
29:13
Speaker 2: were talking to other players on other teams, and Urban
29:17
Speaker 2: was really cooking them for losing back in the preseason.
29:20
Speaker 2: Like in the preseason, he was going nuts that they
29:23
Speaker 2: were losing games in the preseason. And that is when
29:26
Speaker 2: the incident happened with Josh Lambeau, the kicker, where he
29:29
Speaker 2: accused Meyer of physical abuse. And he said on a
29:33
Speaker 2: radio show what happened, told everybody from his point of view,
29:37
Speaker 2: I was in a lunch position, so he's got one
29:39
Speaker 2: leg out front, one in the back, and Urban Meyer
29:42
Speaker 2: came and kicked him in the leg and said, hey,
29:46
Speaker 2: dip stuff, make your bleeping kicks, and he kicked him
29:50
Speaker 2: in the leg and Lambeau said to Meyer, don't you
29:55
Speaker 2: ever kick me again? And Urban doubled down and said,
29:58
Speaker 2: I'm the head coach. I'll kick you whatever I want
30:01
Speaker 2: to kick you. Shortly after that, Lambeau got cut and
30:08
Speaker 2: that was the final preseason game. He had missed two
30:11
Speaker 2: kicks in the previous games. So obviously he gets cut.
30:15
Speaker 2: He doesn't get paid, and he sues Jacksonville and he
30:19
Speaker 2: sues Urban Meyer, wonting three and a half million dollars,
30:22
Speaker 2: which is his salary that he would have gotten that
30:24
Speaker 2: year had he made the team and stayed there all year.
30:27
Speaker 2: And then his agent reported it to Jacksonville and they
30:31
Speaker 2: also put Urban under the under the case for mental
30:36
Speaker 2: whatever mental issues that he got because of Urban kicking
30:40
Speaker 2: him and treating him the way he did. In the suit,
30:44
Speaker 2: the guy, this is really funny, the lawyer puts in
30:46
Speaker 2: the suit, mister Lambeau uncharacteristically missed kicks of fifty five,
30:51
Speaker 2: fifty two, and fifty eight yards. What those are really
30:55
Speaker 2: really long kicks? Man, That's not really uncharacteristic of a
30:58
Speaker 2: kicker to miss those kind of kicks. Now, Urban Meyer
31:01
Speaker 2: did refute what he said. He said it did not
31:03
Speaker 2: happen that way, and he said there are eyewitnesses that
31:06
Speaker 2: will refute his account. And we're about to find out
31:09
Speaker 2: that five year old case is about to go to
31:11
Speaker 2: court in August. And I hope that there's no kind
31:15
Speaker 2: of deal because now that this has all come out
31:18
Speaker 2: with him just getting you know, losing out on this
31:21
Speaker 2: thirty million dollars that he just lost out on, Jacksonville
31:25
Speaker 2: does not have to pay him the thirty million. Now
31:28
Speaker 2: you're in a situation where not only does he lose
31:31
Speaker 2: out on that potential thirty but he may have to
31:33
Speaker 2: pay this dude, and I hope he fights it because
31:36
Speaker 2: I want to see what really happened there. I think
31:39
Speaker 2: a lot of people found this really funny but really
31:42
Speaker 2: on brand for Urban, right, really on brand that he
31:45
Speaker 2: would do that because he's an old school football coach.
31:49
Speaker 2: And any of us who played football like prior to
31:52
Speaker 2: twenty ten at any level, you know, getting smacked upside
31:58
Speaker 2: the head by your coach, or your face mask grabbed
32:01
Speaker 2: and your neck yanked around, or kicked in the butt
32:05
Speaker 2: when you're in a three point stance, knocking you down
32:07
Speaker 2: like that stuff was so commonplace from the beginning of
32:11
Speaker 2: the sport to like twenty ten that you didn't even
32:15
Speaker 2: talk about it with your buddies, like it was just
32:17
Speaker 2: that was practice, That's what it was. And this was
32:22
Speaker 2: just yet another example of Urban not getting it in
32:24
Speaker 2: the NFL. This is in Ohio state. This certainly isn't
32:27
Speaker 2: bowling green. That doesn't fly in the NFL with grown men.
32:32
Speaker 2: Notice it was the kicker not doing that to the linebacker.
32:37
Speaker 2: So after that happens, Jacksonville uses it as an opportunity
32:41
Speaker 2: to fire Urban, and that was it for them. He
32:46
Speaker 2: ends his ten you're two and eleven in the NFL,
32:49
Speaker 2: And I think that when we look at his legacy
32:56
Speaker 2: as a college football coach, threw throw this in there.
33:00
Speaker 1: Man.
33:01
Speaker 2: It was something that hurt his legacy a bit because
33:02
Speaker 2: it was embarrassing. It was embarrassing the way he conducted
33:06
Speaker 2: himself that whole period of time. It was a disaster.
33:11
Speaker 2: It showed a guy who really just doesn't get it.
33:15
Speaker 2: How could you not get it? How could you think
33:18
Speaker 2: that you could treat adults like that? And I just
33:22
Speaker 2: don't understand, man. But it's a legacy that also has
33:25
Speaker 2: great things. What he did at Bowling Green to get
33:28
Speaker 2: the job at Utah and then taking Alex Smith in
33:30
Speaker 2: Utah to an undefeated season before they were in a
33:34
Speaker 2: power conference, couldn't win a national championship. They were awesome.
33:38
Speaker 2: That team was awesome. And then he's in the market
33:41
Speaker 2: and everybody thinks he's going to go to Notre Dame.
33:44
Speaker 2: But he's shrewd. He would have loved to go to
33:47
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. He's a Catholic. He's named I don't know
33:49
Speaker 2: how many of you are Catholic, but he's named after
33:51
Speaker 2: Pope Urban right, this is a Catholic family that is very,
33:56
Speaker 2: very Notre Dame centric, but from Ohio. And I know
33:59
Speaker 2: how that works because I'm from one of those families
34:02
Speaker 2: split down the middle, but there's love for both. And
34:06
Speaker 2: what he designed it that way. It's why he didn't
34:08
Speaker 2: play him. He didn't want to have Catholic families have
34:11
Speaker 2: to make that split on you know, on his paperwork,
34:18
Speaker 2: Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan. Those are the three jobs
34:20
Speaker 2: that he would have left anywhere for. And he chooses
34:26
Speaker 2: to go to Florida because he is so shrewd. He
34:29
Speaker 2: goes to Florida because he knows ron Zook has amassed
34:33
Speaker 2: a ton of talent and he sees that he can
34:35
Speaker 2: get more talent and at the time, it was really
34:38
Speaker 2: tough to do that at Notre Dame. And he goes
34:40
Speaker 2: to Florida and he does what he does there. Then
34:42
Speaker 2: Jim Tressel after he retires, he's out one year, Jim's gone,
34:47
Speaker 2: and now he gets the opportunity of his lifetime to
34:49
Speaker 2: take over at Ohio State, wins his third national championship. Unbelievable.
34:57
Speaker 2: Unbelievable that record has a head coach winning a national
35:01
Speaker 2: championship with two separate places, three total national championship. It's amazing.
35:07
Speaker 2: And now it's all said and done, and he's out
35:10
Speaker 2: in the public. He's doing podcasts, working for Fox. It's
35:14
Speaker 2: a complicated legacy. And I understand why people look at
35:17
Speaker 2: him and dislike him. I understand why they would say
35:22
Speaker 2: something like he has poor character. I understand why anybody
35:28
Speaker 2: would say anything like that. But for me, you know,
35:32
Speaker 2: he also did a ton of great modernized the old
35:35
Speaker 2: as they put football program, handed over the program to
35:39
Speaker 2: Ryan Day ready to take it and run, kept him
35:43
Speaker 2: set up with guys like Pantoni, Mick, Ryan Day himself
35:48
Speaker 2: hired him, Larry Johnson, all this stuff he had ready
35:52
Speaker 2: to roll. Ryan Day took it and ran. But people
35:58
Speaker 2: want to focus on the negative. I get it. To me,
36:01
Speaker 2: the fact that he was so loyal that he wouldn't
36:04
Speaker 2: even consider taking Pantoni or Mick with him like that
36:07
Speaker 2: one to me just stands out as this dude loves
36:11
Speaker 2: Ohio State so much. But anyway, that's what was on
36:16
Speaker 2: my mind today. Did he make blunders, Absolutely, he made
36:20
Speaker 2: blunders right, maybe more more than others. And he's, you know,
36:26
Speaker 2: he's a flawed guy. Like me, like you, But I
36:30
Speaker 2: don't like character attacks unless you say, like, this guy's
36:33
Speaker 2: not a criminal. What do you if you call that
36:36
Speaker 2: guy a flawed guy, a deeply flawed guy? What do
36:39
Speaker 2: you call criminals? Right? Like people who are consistent criminals
36:43
Speaker 2: that rob from their family? You know what I mean? Like,
36:45
Speaker 2: I don't get it. We got a comment in here.
36:47
Speaker 2: I gotta read because I saw tagro and I'm like,
36:49
Speaker 2: what's going on over here? Uh So doves and drums
36:54
Speaker 2: says sadly, I believe the kicker. I believe the kicker too.
36:59
Speaker 2: I totally believed the kicker. That one fits in with
37:04
Speaker 2: a coach his age, an Ohio football coach his age,
37:08
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. Absolutely, I believe the kicker. Matt Trenell says,
37:16
Speaker 2: would like to see Teger come back to Ohio State.
37:19
Speaker 2: See a report where he's thinking of leaving Kentucky and
37:21
Speaker 2: coming back. I say, everyone knew he was hurt and
37:27
Speaker 2: let him heal and be a great backup offensive tackle here,
37:32
Speaker 2: offensive tackle Trent says, we are full sorry Tiger. Searon
37:41
Speaker 2: Moore is deeply flawed. Hide the butter knife. Absolutely, The
37:50
Speaker 2: legendary Romero says, for me, it's the fact that he
37:53
Speaker 2: won championships at Florida, so he's claimed by another school,
37:58
Speaker 2: not just OSU. To you, does that that makes you
38:02
Speaker 2: feel less less of him, less of his legacy As
38:06
Speaker 2: you're an Ohio State fan, you're saying that someone else
38:09
Speaker 2: can also claim him, so he doesn't feel like total yours.
38:12
Speaker 2: I can understand where you're coming from, Richie does what's up? Brother?
38:21
Speaker 2: Urban was never the turncoat herb Street was, That's for sure.
38:32
Speaker 2: Maybe if Urban kicked Jaden Fielding in the locker room
38:35
Speaker 2: like how he did the Jacksonville guy, he would have
38:36
Speaker 2: made a twenty five yarder against Indiana. Not think less
38:55
Speaker 2: of him, but not that he's fully a buck guy
38:57
Speaker 2: might be unpopular, but that's how I've always felt. I
39:02
Speaker 2: somewhat understand where you're coming from. I mean, I can
39:04
Speaker 2: see how you can feel that way. I can so anyway, guys,
39:15
Speaker 2: that's all I got tonight. Uh sorry, I didn't have
39:18
Speaker 2: a lot of time to prep. We were at mom's.
39:20
Speaker 2: We were at Mom's house and she was adorable. Always
39:25
Speaker 2: love spending spending some time with mom. Buckeye Freak says,
39:29
Speaker 2: we're inside on a hundred days of college football. What
39:31
Speaker 2: games are you planning on attending this is uh, sounds
39:35
Speaker 2: like a good thing for tomorrow morning's chuck on books.
39:38
Speaker 2: I will hit on that. I will hit on that
39:40
Speaker 2: as I'm still still kind of making the game plan
39:42
Speaker 2: here and then again, some things might change from now
39:47
Speaker 2: to then as well, so not quite sure, Not quite sure.
39:53
Speaker 2: Ryan Day, the Boston College legend, good one. All right, guys,
40:01
Speaker 2: appreciate you. I hope you had a Fantasticmorrow Day and
40:04
Speaker 2: I will talk to you soon. Look a huddle out