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What If You Weren't Meant to Do It All? | Kelly Kapic · Coffee and Bible Time Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: You can't do everything, can't know everything.
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SPEAKER_01: To be finite is to be limited, but there's a Christian word for that.
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SPEAKER_01: And the Christian word is creature.
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SPEAKER_01: Even in the church, we feel guilty for being creatures.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's really what I'm concerned about.
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SPEAKER_01: One of the things that drives me is when you and I say to someone, I'm just so exhausted.
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SPEAKER_01: I feel crushed.
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SPEAKER_01: I feel overwhelmed.
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SPEAKER_01: The Christian response has very often been exactly like the world's.
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SPEAKER_01: We sit down, we try and show compassion, but basically we give you time management advice.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm just convinced we don't have a time management problem.
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SPEAKER_01: We have a theological and pastoral problem.
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SPEAKER_02: The Coffee and Bible Time podcast, our goal is to help you delight in God's Word and thrive in Christian living.
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SPEAKER_02: Each week, we talk to subject matter experts who broaden your biblical understanding, encourage you in hard times, and provide life-building tips to enhance your Christian walk.
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SPEAKER_02: We are so glad you have joined us.
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SPEAKER_02: Hi friends, just jumping in to share this comment that we received about last week's episode with Evan Marbury.
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SPEAKER_02: Joanna says, it's very important to talk about mental health.
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SPEAKER_02: So many of us have some form of trauma, but there is always hope.
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SPEAKER_02: We just need to trust God and continue looking for ways to get the help needed.
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SPEAKER_02: I couldn't agree with you more, Joanna.
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SPEAKER_02: And if you or someone that you love is struggling with mental health and wants to take that first step to share the conversation, it's a great place to start.
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SPEAKER_02: Also, one last thing here, I'm doing a book giveaway of Callie Kapick's book.
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SPEAKER_02: Back to the conversation.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to the Coffee and Bible Time podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm Ellen, your host.
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SPEAKER_02: Have you ever gone to bed feeling like I just didn't do enough today?
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SPEAKER_02: No matter how much you accomplish, there's always one more thing to do, one more person to care for, or one more expectation to meet.
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SPEAKER_02: And for many of us, that constant pressure leaves us feeling exhausted and wondering if we're somehow falling short.
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SPEAKER_02: But what if our limits aren't something to overcome?
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SPEAKER_02: What if they're actually part of God's good design?
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SPEAKER_02: Today we are joined by Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Kelly Capik, professor of theological studies at Covenant College and an award-winning author.
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SPEAKER_02: In his newest devotional, You Are Never Meant to Do It All, he explores the biblical truth that God never intended us to live without limits.
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SPEAKER_02: And the embracing them can actually lead to greater joy, freedom, and dependence on him.
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SPEAKER_02: So if you've ever struggled with busyness, guilt, overresting, or feeling that you just can't keep up, I think this conversation will be a real encouragement to you.
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SPEAKER_02: Kelly, thank you so much for joining us today.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a delight to be with you.
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SPEAKER_01: Thanks for having me.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, it feels like there's so much pressure in our world to keep up.
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SPEAKER_02: And especially for women who are trying to faithfully juggle so many obligations.
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SPEAKER_02: Why do you think we're so uncomfortable with our own limits?
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, there's no short answer, but I'll just give you a couple of things.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, one of the things, and you kind of mentioned this or alluded to it in your introduction, part of what's happened is our imaginations have been shaped in certain ways, especially over the last 50 to 100 years and intensified in the last 30, where the values of productivity and efficiency continue to rise.
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SPEAKER_01: And what's happened is we've taken good values.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, being productive can be a good gift, uh, a beautiful thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Being efficient can be helpful, can be loving.
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SPEAKER_01: And yet both of those things can also undermine love and relationships and goodness and our humanity.
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SPEAKER_01: And so what part of what's happened is we've taken good gifts and made them ultimate.
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SPEAKER_01: And uh we've devalued all kinds of other things.
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SPEAKER_02: Well said.
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SPEAKER_02: So what do you think is driving our inability to slow down then?
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SPEAKER_01: It it's interesting, even putting it that way, just thinking as we were just talking, alcohol, you know, yeah, I don't know where your listeners are, but by and large, you know, Jesus has wine, you have these kind of things.
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SPEAKER_01: Alcohol is not a problem, but if you move it to where you remove the limits, it becomes really problematic, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And so there are all kinds of obvious things, whether it's drugs or whatever, we think, oh, look at how bad that is.
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SPEAKER_01: But what's interesting is especially in the Western world, we have, and the church has done this, we have baptized certain Western values in our current age and made them Christian when they're not necessarily, and then they mess us up.
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SPEAKER_01: So the big idea for me is that finitude is not sin.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, most listeners are like, I don't even know what that word means, or certainly don't use it a lot.
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SPEAKER_01: But finitude or finite is just a fancy way of saying limits, limits in space, time, knowledge, power, right?
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SPEAKER_01: You can't be everywhere at the same time.
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SPEAKER_01: You can't do everything, you have diminishing energy levels, you can't know everything, doesn't matter how hard you study.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, so to be finite is to be limited, but there's a Christian word for that.
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SPEAKER_01: And the Christian word is creature.
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SPEAKER_01: And when I say finitude is not sin, I'm deeply concerned because even in the church, we feel guilty for being creatures.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's really what I'm concerned about.
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SPEAKER_01: One of the things that drives me is when you and I say to someone, I'm just so exhausted, I feel crushed, I feel overwhelmed.
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SPEAKER_01: The Christian response has very often been exactly like the world's.
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SPEAKER_01: We sit down, we try and show compassion, but basically we give you time management advice.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm just convinced we don't have a time management problem, we have a theological and pastoral problem.
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SPEAKER_02: That's so that's so fascinating, especially, excuse me, when you consider that scripture tells us that God never grows weary.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, but we certainly do.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: And like you said, when when most of us hear the word limitations, we immediately think that we're weak or failing.
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SPEAKER_02: I know for me personally, um, I really struggle in this area.
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SPEAKER_02: Or I think the other part of it too is I I'm excited about so many things, want to do so many things.
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SPEAKER_02: And maybe God didn't call me to do all of those by tonight, you know?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it it's funny because in some ways the truths that we're talking about, we all know, certainly Christians, but boy, do we have a hard time embracing.
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SPEAKER_01: So the basic idea is God is actually very comfortable being God.
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SPEAKER_01: And he's very comfortable with Kelly and Ellen not being God.
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SPEAKER_01: And and that sounds funny.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, and if you ask someone, do you think you're God?
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SPEAKER_01: We all say no.
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SPEAKER_01: But in practice, right, we think, well, I didn't get my daughter to those six things today, or, you know, if my kid is not in four sports, what are they gonna do?
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SPEAKER_01: Or if they don't, you know, if they're not strong enough, they're not keeping up, if they're not, and so our imaginations have been really formed in such a way that we think to be a creature is a problem.
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SPEAKER_01: And God does not need us to repent for being a creature.
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SPEAKER_01: You do not have to repent for being a creature, you have to repent of your sins, but that is not the same thing as not having all the energy, power, etc.
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SPEAKER_01: And when it starts to look into and you start to put this into practice, it really can make a difference.
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SPEAKER_01: But until we can disentangle those things, we're doomed to days of grief and mourning and just shame every day.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, then how does scripture invite us to think about our limitations differently?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, well, a a great example is I remember when I was working on this, one of the things that helped me to think through was sleep and to realize there really is a theology of sleep, right?
9:41
SPEAKER_01: I, you know, I'm in my 50s now, but when our kids were younger and, you know, different seasons of life, I I would probably like many listeners, I'd wake up at two, three in the morning and my mind is racing with all the things I need to do, all the anxieties I have, concerns for my kids, my wife, et cetera.
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SPEAKER_01: And so often I would go to bed and you think, Kelly, you know, why didn't you get more done today?
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SPEAKER_01: And to realize actually, part of the beauty of how God made us is every day when we go to sleep, it is an act of faith.
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SPEAKER_01: It is us saying to God, this far and no further.
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SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like if you think about a soldier in war.
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SPEAKER_01: You, if you're on the front lines, you cannot sleep unless you have someone who has your back.
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SPEAKER_01: And there is a sense in which if you don't believe that there is a God who's sovereign and good and trustworthy, how can you ever sleep?
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SPEAKER_01: But every day we are in the practice of being reminded we're creatures dependent on God and we trust Him.
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SPEAKER_01: And so every night that is a practice.
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SPEAKER_01: And yet, even in Christian circles, people glorify, I only need four or five hours to sleep.
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SPEAKER_01: That's we should stop glorifying that.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, we have different bodies or different seasons of life, but let's not romanticize dehumanizing practices.
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SPEAKER_01: And then the other thing, just as a really practical thing, the Bible has a one in seven pattern, a day of rest.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, and if you grew up in a legalistic context and talk about Sabbath, that's gonna freak people out.
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SPEAKER_01: But if you are just a Christian living in the West and you're like, I feel crushed, I feel overwhelmed, and you hear someone say, you know, what if God actually made a day where you're supposed to sleep and then you go and join his people and worship, and you feast with others, and you maybe take a nap and enjoy his good creation and invest in relationships, and you do not work.
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SPEAKER_01: It sounds too good to be true, which shows even as Christians how off we are.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, but we need that.
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SPEAKER_01: We are made to work, we are made to work hard, but we're not made to work endlessly.
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SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: And I know for me personally, that day of rest or specifically taking that time for things that fill my soul like doing some type of creative artwork or something.
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SPEAKER_02: When I allow myself to do that, I feel so regenerated.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: That I'm probably more productive than I would have been trying to work all the seven days.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's one of those, I actually there there is some evidence that some of these things do end up increasing productivity, which I both appreciate and makes me nervous.
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SPEAKER_01: Because even if you're not more productive as a result of it, it's still just good.
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SPEAKER_01: Because when you talk about it being regenerating, I think actually, in a sense, what you're saying is I felt more human, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Part of slowing down, doing creative art, taking a walk in the woods, you get reconnected with your body.
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SPEAKER_01: You get reconnected with God, you get reconnected with people.
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SPEAKER_01: And that can sound weird.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, what do you mean, reconnected with your bodies?
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SPEAKER_01: But the way the world is right now, we can live in our heads and you can sit in front of a screen all day.
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SPEAKER_01: And the idea of, you know, there is a reason why the book by a psychologist that was never meant to be a big popular book called The Body Keeps a Score is still a New York Times bestseller book because we're pretending our bodies can be ignored and they cannot.
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SPEAKER_02: You're absolutely correct.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, Kelly, many of us feel so guilty whenever we take time to slow down and rest.
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SPEAKER_02: How do we overcome that guilt?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is where I'm saying I actually think it's a theological and pastoral problem.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, I'd encourage your listeners to take some time this week.
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SPEAKER_01: And this is gonna sound like a weird thing to do, but sit down with a piece of paper and try and answer these questions and make yourself write them out.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, because sometimes when we write, it's almost like we're looking at our hand going, oh, I didn't even know I thought that.
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SPEAKER_01: But try and answer these questions.
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SPEAKER_01: What does God expect of you in a day?
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SPEAKER_01: What does he expect of you in a week?
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SPEAKER_01: What does he expect of you in a month or a year and in a lifetime?
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SPEAKER_01: And if you if you ask someone like, hey, do you think God has unrealistic expectations of you?
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SPEAKER_01: We'd almost always say, that's a weird question, but I guess not.
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SPEAKER_01: But actually, what surfaces is what we really believe?
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SPEAKER_01: And often we do treat God like He's a cruel taskmaster.
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SPEAKER_01: And it can come from maybe it's from problems in our childhood or from problematic preaching or culturally in our own inner voices.
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SPEAKER_01: But to actually start to believe that God made us as creatures, and all of that is good, right?
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SPEAKER_01: The shortest way I know how to talk about is is humility, right?
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SPEAKER_01: I I hope all listeners know as Christians we should be humble.
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SPEAKER_01: One of the things I found though is if we ask people, Christians, why should we be humble, our gut response is often, well, we should be humble because we're sinners.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm a theologian.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, I think we're sinners.
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SPEAKER_01: And the fact that we are sinners should contribute to our humility.
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SPEAKER_01: But Adam and Eve, before there was any sin or fall, should Adam and Eve have been humble?
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SPEAKER_01: And the answer is actually yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Even if they, even before they sinned, even before there's any fall, they should have been humble because they were created to be dependent on God, to be dependent on each other, the neighbor, and to be dependent on the rest of creation, dependent on God, neighbor, and the rest of creation.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, here's the thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Think about it.
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SPEAKER_01: If after this interview someone someone talks to me and says, Hey, you spent some time with Ellen, what'd you think?
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SPEAKER_01: And I said, Oh, she's great.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it seemed like she was really dependent on a lot of people.
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SPEAKER_01: In our culture, that's never a compliment.
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SPEAKER_01: Right?
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SPEAKER_01: It sounds like it's a bad thing that you would be dependent.
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SPEAKER_01: And the question I have for Christians is, how in the world can you grow in Christian discipleship when fundamental to growing as a Christian discipleship is increasing a healthy dependence on God, a healthy dependence on neighbor, and a right acknowledgement of how dependent we are on the rest of creation.
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SPEAKER_01: And so it really is a theological problem.
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SPEAKER_01: If you're ever going to get free from this, it's not going to become because you get a better email program that's more efficient.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not going to come because you wake up a little bit earlier.
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SPEAKER_01: Those things might help, but fundamentally, you also need to reconsider who your God really is and how he made us.
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SPEAKER_01: And what you find in Genesis is God's like, oh, you're good.
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SPEAKER_01: Part of the goodness is our limits, our affinitude.
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SPEAKER_01: That's that's not a bug, that is a feature.
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SPEAKER_01: Because it it's what fosters relationships, right?
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SPEAKER_02: So to the person who's listening to this and saying, gee, he's he's got a great point.
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SPEAKER_02: I need to slow down.
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SPEAKER_02: I need to accept who and how God made me.
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SPEAKER_02: But how do I teeter-totter?
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SPEAKER_02: What's the right balance?
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SPEAKER_02: Like, how do I know too much is too much?
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SPEAKER_02: Or, you know, the sort of the contrast between the sluggard and the yeah, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I've you know where I've kind of landed on this is I just don't think we're actually very good judges ourselves.
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SPEAKER_01: My wife, we always joke because if I'm working at night and I shouldn't be, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: And I do think I often say, listen, historic farmers are a good example where when it's harvest time, they might have to work a 12 or 14 hour day because it's harvest and you've got to get this done.
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SPEAKER_01: And there's nothing immoral or problematic about that.
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SPEAKER_01: That's not a problem.
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SPEAKER_01: The problem is we've taken harvest time and made everyday harvest time.
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SPEAKER_01: And because of technology, and by technology I mean simple things like light bulbs, now you can work at 11:30 at night or whenever, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And so there's no end the kind of natural rhythms when it gets dark or when you, you know, et cetera, are taken off of us.
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SPEAKER_01: So we think every day is harvest, and that's a massive problem.
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SPEAKER_01: So my wife might see me working at night.
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SPEAKER_01: And, you know, to be honest, if it's not a harvest season, it's not legitimately a time where I need to be doing that, she'll be like, stop it, you know, go for a walk.
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SPEAKER_01: You're be free, go watch ESPN.
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SPEAKER_01: Like that, but if I would go into the bathroom five minutes before she said that to me, and I looked at myself and said, Kelly, you've put in a full day of work, you know, be free, go for a walk, rest, whatever.
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SPEAKER_01: I'd think, you lazy.
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SPEAKER_01: Because I, you know, and so some of your listeners will struggle with that.
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SPEAKER_01: We will we are cruel.
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SPEAKER_01: So, what I would say though is you need one to three people, sometimes it can be a small group, who really know and trust you, and you can be honest.
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SPEAKER_01: And I I think this is really helpful for everyone.
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SPEAKER_01: But it is interesting, is I've talked about this in different groups.
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SPEAKER_01: Women, particularly, have often said, especially women with children, have talked about how helpful this is.
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SPEAKER_01: Because when you tell someone, let me tell you about my day and my week, and you say, Well, I'm taking the kids and I drop them off at this time and I have to do this, a sane person often hearing that will go, Oh, okay, that's amazing.
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SPEAKER_01: It's too much.
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SPEAKER_01: So we've got to figure out what to cut, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And that same woman, if she heard her friends say everything that was just being done, she would say, Whoa, too much.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not good for you.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not good for your kids, your relationships, et cetera, your body.
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SPEAKER_01: We've got to, and it's not just cut out bad things.
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SPEAKER_01: Sometimes we've got to cut out good things.
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SPEAKER_01: And yet she might give the grace to someone else, but we find it so difficult to give to ourselves.
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SPEAKER_01: Or it might be that someone tells their friends, here's what my day, my week looks like.
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SPEAKER_01: And the group might say, actually, it seems like our community or your or your children or whatever are impoverished because you're not contributing enough.
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SPEAKER_01: It could be that the the the entrusted people say, actually, you are struggling with sloth.
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SPEAKER_01: You're disengaged.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's not always do less.
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SPEAKER_01: But I just think the wisdom of others that know us and trust us is really helpful.
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SPEAKER_01: And then they also give us the courage to be able to say no or to be able to say yes.
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SPEAKER_01: And I do think it's not hard to start cutting the bad things out.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it can be hard, but where maturity comes in is cutting legitimately good things out.
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SPEAKER_01: That's where it's really hard.
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SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_02: Because we can have opportunities for so many good things, but we just can't do them all.
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SPEAKER_01: That is and also, yeah, I was just gonna say, just to add to that, and sometimes it doesn't mean you can never do it, but there are seasons of life.
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SPEAKER_01: And when you have little kids at home, that is a different season that should have different expectations than when you're an empty nester.
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SPEAKER_01: My wife and I are empty nesters now, our level of freedom is radically different than it was, and so that's good.
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SPEAKER_01: That your season is not all seasons.
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SPEAKER_02: It kind of reminds me of my daughter who's who's married and doesn't live here anymore, but she came back to visit and she's like, Mom, you need to declutter.
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SPEAKER_02: And I was like, I do like I like everything the way it is, you know?
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SPEAKER_02: And then she's like, Trust me.
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SPEAKER_02: So she went through this process and decluttered my kitchen.
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SPEAKER_02: And when she was done, I was like, does feel like just more peaceful and calm.
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SPEAKER_02: And I feel like that's the same way with our lives and our schedules.
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SPEAKER_02: That's it.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's a beautiful example.
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SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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SPEAKER_02: Just let that let some of that go.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure everything that she removed, you're like, no, no, no, I need that.
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SPEAKER_01: I use that sometimes.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And I and I think that's a that is a that is a fantastic example.
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SPEAKER_02: That's really well, you know what?
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SPEAKER_02: And to your point about the accountability partner, is she was the best person that could do that.
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SPEAKER_02: Because my husband would have been like, Oh, you like that, you should keep it.
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SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_02: Like, whereas she's like, no, you haven't used this in, you know, next month, you're it's it doesn't need to be on the counter.
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SPEAKER_02: Like so it's that tough love can be yeah, I love that exactly what we need and to drive us to this point of freedom that God wants.
21:55
SPEAKER_02: Well, if every woman who's listening to this conversation truly believed that God never intended her to do it all, what do you think would change about the way she lives?
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SPEAKER_01: I actually think there is radical freedom that liberates you to start celebrating and enjoying other people.
22:16
SPEAKER_01: I think when these kind of expectations are on us, even if it's not at the conscious level, we kind of instinctively view everyone as competition, which is partly why, even though we never want to admit it, even when a friend we love has something really good happen or things are coming together, we kind of don't love it.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's this unhealthy because we've been told you should win.
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SPEAKER_01: You should always be the strongest, you should be the best.
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SPEAKER_01: It's really good for your kids not to be great at everything.
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SPEAKER_01: They're never meant to be.
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SPEAKER_01: And you don't, you're not a bad parent and they're not a bad kid.
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SPEAKER_01: And we always think, well, yeah, but they need to be the best at something.
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SPEAKER_01: Actually, most of us are not the best at anything.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm better at some things than others.
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SPEAKER_01: But anyway, so I think it allows you when you really feel God's warm welcome and his hospitality, you can extend it to others.
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SPEAKER_01: And then you can also celebrate others, whether it's a spouse, it's children or friends, even enemies, actually.
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SPEAKER_01: You it don't you don't lie about what they are, but you look for genuine gifts that God has given and you celebrate them.
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SPEAKER_01: I I just think it it allows you to be less self-absorbed in ways that are just so fun and freeing.
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SPEAKER_02: That should be uh definitely a good motivation for all of us who are listening, certainly would want that.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, what's one simple practice that you hope listeners will try this week as they begin to embrace the limits that God has given them?
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SPEAKER_01: Oh goodness.
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SPEAKER_01: That's that's a great question.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe because we talked about it.
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SPEAKER_01: I think when you go to sleep, when you're laying your head on your pillow, you know, thank God for the day.
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SPEAKER_01: You can repent of things if you said something cruel or you know, whatever.
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SPEAKER_01: But but then also like God help me to get more realistic expectations of what faithfulness looks like and free me from the guilt of just being a creature.
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SPEAKER_01: Help me to start to learn the goodness of being a human.
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SPEAKER_01: A basic prayer of that kind when we're going to sleep, I think can start to be a way to weave into our lives this very fundamental reality that somehow we're getting, we're we're we're get becoming unmoored from, and we need to get back to this grounding.
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SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: And prayer is definitely the best avenue to our direct access to our creator who we know hears our prayers and wants to answer that for sure.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, one thing that I really loved, Kelly, about your devotional, you were never meant to do at all, are those questions that you asked people to ask, you know, themselves.
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SPEAKER_02: If you feel like maybe you're stuck in this area, this 40-day devotional, I think would be so incredibly helpful to kind of help, you know, it's like having someone walk with you hand in hand through sort of this process of analyzing yourself.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thanks.
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SPEAKER_01: I and it's maybe related to some of the things we've talked about.
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SPEAKER_01: Some of the ways I've I've heard about people finding it really helpful.
25:31
SPEAKER_01: You know, obviously people read it on their own, but a lot of have read it in small groups, women's groups, uh, mixed groups, couple groups.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: Uh, some have gone through it in Sunday school.
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SPEAKER_01: So the idea is basically everyone's reading it together, but once a week they'll get together to talk about those things.
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SPEAKER_01: And it really, there is something about that slow.
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SPEAKER_01: I I I so it comes from a larger book called You're Only Human.
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SPEAKER_01: And then the devotional is trying to make this more accessible.
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SPEAKER_01: And part of what we've discovered is something about the devotional where you're thinking about it over a long time, over 40 days, and especially if you can do it with others, it really thickens it and it increases the chances that it can really start to affect our lives in really practical but meaningful ways.
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SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: And then you have that built-in accountability that you were talking about.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I absolutely loved it.
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SPEAKER_02: Where can our listeners go to learn more about you, Kelly, and your devotional?
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SPEAKER_02: You were never meant to do it all.
26:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, thanks.
26:35
SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm a dinosaur, I'm not on social media or anything, but the the one compromise of publishers uh so I have a website, kellykapic.com, and you can see articles and books on there.
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SPEAKER_01: So Kellykapick.com.
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SPEAKER_02: Excellent.
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SPEAKER_02: We will make sure we include that link in our show notes.
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SPEAKER_02: And and Kelly, before I let you go, I have to do our rapid fire here, coffee and bible time questions.
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SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
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SPEAKER_02: All right.
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SPEAKER_02: What is your go-to Bible and what translation is it?
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SPEAKER_01: I tend to use the ESV, and uh in recent years it is a bigger print ESV.
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SPEAKER_01: So mine has less size margin than I would like.
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SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I love it.
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SPEAKER_01: Excellent choice.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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SPEAKER_02: Do you have any favorite Bible journaling supplies?
27:20
SPEAKER_02: Do you like to Bible journal or journal?
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SPEAKER_01: I do.
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SPEAKER_01: I have one of those back in the 80s or 70s, you know, those like four-colored clicking pens.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: Now they've gotten fancier.
27:31
SPEAKER_01: Now I have like five colors.
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SPEAKER_01: And I often have one of those, and then I will actually have different color highlighters.
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SPEAKER_01: So uh I my Bible's kind of marked up.
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SPEAKER_02: Ah, cool.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, lastly, what is your favorite app or website for Bible study tools?
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SPEAKER_01: I probably use U version almost every day for the listening parts.
27:50
SPEAKER_01: I will often take some time and listen to scriptures.
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SPEAKER_01: Something listeners, if you can do like three or five psalms a day and as a listening thing, that's uh really great.
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SPEAKER_01: But I also use sometimes for when I'm looking up stuff as a scholar, I use a thing called accordance and one called Logos.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, we're big fans of Logos here.
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SPEAKER_02: We absolutely love it.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh we'll we'll include a link to that as well because it's pretty phenomenal.
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SPEAKER_02: But I'm gonna have to check out the other one you've suggested there as well.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, Kelly, thank you so much for taking the time to join us and just provide wisdom on this topic and encouragement for everyone.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
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SPEAKER_01: Been great being with you.
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SPEAKER_02: And to everyone listening, we hope today's conversation reminds you that your worth isn't found in how much you accomplished, but in whose you are.
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SPEAKER_02: Jesus' invitation is still the same today.
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SPEAKER_02: Come to me, all who labor and are heavy burden, and I will give you rest.
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SPEAKER_02: May you find freedom this week to embrace the good limits God has given you, trusting that his grace is sufficient and his strength is made perfect in our weakness.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you for listening, and we will see you next time on the Coffee and Bible Time podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: Have a blessed day.
29:08
SPEAKER_02: One last thing, guys.
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SPEAKER_02: Hope you have a blessed day.