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#64: Malignant (2021) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Hello. What's your least favorite scary
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  movie? Welcome to.
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  What's your least favorite scary movie, the podcast, where we
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  talked about the good, the bad, the ugly, in the Absurd.
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  And everybody is most and least, favorite scary movie because we
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  believe every horror movie rightfully, has its fanbase,
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  even if we don't always understand why.
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  My name is Jesse. My name is Travis.
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  And today, we are talking about a James Wan classic.
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  You might be thinking. We're talking about many of his
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  classic horror movies, you know, beloved horror movies that most
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  people like yeah, the country. I saw Annabelle Aquaman.
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  Wait what he did Aquaman really didn't know that?
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  No, he Fast and Furious. Which one the one that made a
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  lot of money? A lot of them.
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  No, I made a go over a billion dollars.
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  I think it's like 6 or 9, I don't fucking know.
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  I don't know anything about that.
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  Sears. We're talking about malignant
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  today, everybody because Malignant.
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  Yeah, I was just, I don't know, it's not a classic, but it's a
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  fun movie that, you know, generally when people talk about
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  James, one and classic save, you know, they think about those but
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  I wanted to talk about a James one movie, that doesn't
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  necessarily get the love that. I think that it deserves.
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  So I chose malignant this week, it's a very bizarre movie.
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  We've seen a lot of people have their own very strong, opinions
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  about it online. What are you smiling at me?
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  For just your choice and the use of the word classic?
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  It's not a classic. I'm just kidding, like, I'm
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  just, I'm, I'm throwing people off of my, we're talking about a
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  classic James one movie and, you know, I mean, they're clicking
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  on this scene, this magnet, but, you know, maybe I'm tricking
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  them, they're like, oh, he's talking about saw your being
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  malignant right now. I just came up with that.
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  I'm not proud of, you should be proud of yourself.
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  Okay, yes, we get started. I've got a couple of
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  announcements and that's that we like to get everybody's movie
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  reviews each week and we are very, very excited about them.
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  We really firmly believe in having discussion about it.
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  That's the whole point of our podcast and especially when
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  Travis, I generally agree about how we feel about a movie.
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  It's good to get other people's perspectives on it.
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  But as we're getting more and more reviews coming, In the
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  unfortunate reality is that occasionally we will miss some
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  reviews or we just won't have the time capabilities to read
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  them. So if you've sent us a review
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  and we haven't read it our apologies, it's nothing personal
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  we promise but there is another type of review that we're going
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  to continue to make an effort to read right now until you guys,
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  you know, finally start just pouring in the love for us and
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  reviewing our podcast. Would you can do super easily on
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  Apple podcast, podcast Acer, you can give us a number star rating
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  on Spotify. You can do all of that.
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  We've gotten a couple really, really lovely reviews written
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  reviews on Apple podcast, that Travis is going to read for us
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  right now. Yes, so, the first one comes
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  from 92 SuperSonics. They say, fun, and original.
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  That's the title. And it's not the review.
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  Oh, I'm just wondering if there are 92 Supersonics, It's like
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  1992, I'm thinking 1992, you know, let us know.
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  There are almost 100 SuperSonics running around somewhere.
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  Well, they say, give it a listen, the hosts are great.
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  It's a fun show and the selections are varied, which
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  that's I like to hear that. The people think the selections
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  are very that try and keep it very.
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  I'm sure you do too. We did have a couple of months
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  where we were just stuck in the 80s.
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  Yeah, that's a fun era for talking about movies.
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  It is man. There's a lot of gyms in there.
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  There's a lot of fun things and a lot of just really crazy shit
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  so but yes, thank you so much. They were rated five stars.
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  So yeah, really fun. And then we have Michael Lee,
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  Howard know it says must listen for horror fans.
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  Yay. The review says, okay, it's a
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  pretty decent length one, but I'll run through real quick.
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  I'm not sure how I stumbled upon this podcast but it is one of
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  the best decisions I ever made. Someone who has spent a lot of
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  time analyzing trying to, or trying to convince others to
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  enjoy horror movies like I do the show hits the spot.
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  I enjoy the banter between the host.
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  There are some fun and serious discussions.
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  That will keep you thinking whopping and responding in
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  agreement or disagreement. I have free watch so many movies
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  in preparation for future episodes.
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  And seeing all these movies in a while on a whole new life, if
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  you are a critic or just want to have fun, analyzing your
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  favorite horror movies. This one's for you.
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  Thank you so much. That was so sweet.
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  That's the goal of what we want. Our podcast is for people to
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  either agree or disagree. Yeah, it's it's it's valid to
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  have different opinions. Yes, they're all welcome.
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  I think the only opinion that we would say around here that it's
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  not valid to disagree with is that fuck Nazis, right.
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  Yeah if you if you disagree with that statement that's not a
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  valid opinion. Well I'm sure that's not the
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  only thing that we you know that's not the only acceptable
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  but that's a class or senior year.
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  What we all agreed that a moral truth was that, it's never okay
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  to kick a baby. I guess that's where we landed.
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  I can't remember. That sounds about right?
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  Yeah. That was a weird Quest.
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  It was a joint psychology and philosophy class.
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  It was an elective, I believe Travis into taking with me so it
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  was fun. It was anyways.
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  Anyway, so thank you so much for those reviews.
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  It really makes our day when we read those, we really, we just
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  appreciate hearing from you guys, we appreciate interacting
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  on social media. Dia.
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  Yeah, okay, yeah. Travis, you got it.
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  You got it. You got it.
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  Okay. I'm gonna cut all of that and
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  then you're just going to sound like a bully laughing at me.
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  No reason. That's I need everybody to know.
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  I am getting over being really sick and he's bullying me
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  because my brain is still rattle.
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  No no, yeah, so sorry being so mean he knows it been really
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  sick actually. No he didn't know, I was in the
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  bathroom there. I got for over two hours, and he
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  was asleep the entire time. I know now and spend days.
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  Anyways, let's get on to the polls.
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  So, we did a poll for Halloween and I highly debated topic for
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  that episode and pretty much most of them going forward is,
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  do you guys think will Loomis is a good?
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  Psychiatrists so took it to Twitter and Instagram.
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  So on Twitter, it is a 75 to 25 percent rating.
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  Okay 75%. Say that he's not.
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  Yeah. Travis thought.
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  Nobody would agree with me. He thought I was crazy.
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  Thank you all for validating me. Vindicate, you know you're only
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  this is just Twitter. Dude, I've got like the other
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  ones. So Instagram, this one had way
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  more, this one had a lot of people vote.
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  Okay, so we have like, really good sample size for this one.
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  I'm also really proud of the little, like answers that I gave
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  here. So, if you vote, Yes, it says he
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  was doing very well last night, and no is you must think me a
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  very Sinister, doctor all quotes from Ole Miss in the movie,
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  whenever you do that, he was doing very well last night, you
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  kind of go halfway into a Kermit impression.
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  Hmm. Maybe.
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  Anyways, so on there. It's split 50-50.
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  Ha ha, which is crazy with the amount of people that we had
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  vote. So it's there's good.
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  There's people that think that is a good one.
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  To there's people that side with me you win like by default
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  counting the Twitter one, but I'm just saying there's a lot of
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  people that agree with me. I'm just saying that I am.
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  Glad there are people out there that agree with me, because for
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  a long time, you didn't think that anybody else would either
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  like know everybody loves Loomis, you're crazy.
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  Nobody is going to agree with you there.
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  And then, what do you know? I think everybody does love
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  lumens, but they recognize that he's not a good psychiatrist.
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  I think that's what the thing is.
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  Kind of today, we're talking about malignant.
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  Came out in 2021 currently you can stream it on HBO Max or Hulu
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  premium which Travis tells me is redundant to say because you get
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  Hulu premiums through an HBO. Know it's Hulu premium is add-on
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  so you can subscribe to HBO through there or you can
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  subscribe to Showtime or whatever you're basically just
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  getting it through HBO if you do it through that.
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  Okay. Yeah.
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  You could also rent or buy it through YouTube Vudu, Google
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  play or prime and boy oh boy. You are listening in and you
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  have not seen this movie, you just like to listen to our show,
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  totally valid respect that, I do that sometimes with other
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  podcasts. If you have any inkling that you
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  might want to watch this movie, stop this podcast right now and
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  go watch it because it's going to be impossible for us to even
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  give like our pre discussion thoughts without like massive
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  fucking spoilers. Okay?
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  I didn't know how we were going to handle that, so that's,
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  that's cool. So that's what.
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  That's where we're at with that. It's, it's, it was a very
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  divisive movie when it came out and I can understand why.
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  Yeah, and we'll get to that. But I just wanna let everybody
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  know. If you think that, you might
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  have any possible interest in watching this and you haven't
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  watched it yet. Your souls a favor.
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  Watch it before like getting it spoiled.
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  Yeah, because it's, you know, obviously there's like twists
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  and turns in this. But, you know, to have this one
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  ruined, it, it kind of takes a lot out of it, I think.
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  Yeah. Like, you need to watch this.
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  Not knowing what happens going into it.
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  So, do that come back with some to our thoughts whatever, or,
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  you know, you can listen to us talk about it and then watch it
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  after the fact. I mean I enjoyed it just as much
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  this time around as I did the first time.
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  Yeah, but we didn't have it ruined for us, too.
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  First time, that's true. So that's true.
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  But yeah. So we're talking about malignant
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  came out in 2021. The clot that classic 2021
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  movie. Yeah, modern classic, whatever.
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  I was it was a joke from the beginning and now you're just
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  running within making it sound. Like I was being serious,
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  calling it a classic. So you're being serious.
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  I said you were being malignant. Okay.
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  Whatever. Anyways, this movie came out in
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  2021, as we said and it was one of the movies that was
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  simultaneously released in theaters and at home on HBO.
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  Yeah. Because it's a wonder Brothers
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  movie. Yep.
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  So do, do do, do, do do, do you remember those commercials know
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  like little singing frog? I remember a frog.
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  I don't remember. Don't remember it at the scene,
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  but as I said before, this movie was directed by James won.
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  This is a lot of people think that this movie was like, Wonder
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  Brothers, gave him the green light to go do whatever the fuck
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  he wanted to because of the massive successes had
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  previously. That's not the fact here, they
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  didn't do maze. Just distributed the movie and
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  they didn't fund it or anything like that.
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  They went independently with Starlight media for this one.
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  Okay. So They actually gave him the
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  ability to make this off the wall movie, because they have
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  full confidence in him. I mean, they're just a
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  independent movie studio. So they're going to like, if
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  somebody like James one, is wanting to make a movie like
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  this. I mean, yeah, it's gonna say it
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  like I think even without Warner, Brothers, Distributing
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  it. I think there are a lot of
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  horror fans that would see James one's name and be like, Oh
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  least, check it out, which was kind of like, we went into it.
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  I like James wine has a lot of hits for me.
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  I don't think I've seen anything from him that I've not liked.
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  All right, never know, fully what to expect is kind of what I
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  was getting at with it. So but you know when I heard
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  anyone was coming out I heard it was really divisive.
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  One was coming out, that's pretty good.
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  That's better than most ignorant.
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  No, it's not. Sorry, I didn't mean to.
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  I didn't mean the thunder strike you.
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  Not with the thunder strike again.
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  I've been saying that to so many people.
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  I say at the people at work too. You can sing it to d'Italia all
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  weekend. Well we've been saying she's
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  been Thunder striking people. I'm not meaning the
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  thunderstrike anybody, I'm just not and I can tell that I
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  obviously am anyway. So there's a new It was about,
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  but I know he's devised of and I'm like, well, alright, cool
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  gonna go watch it. So that's what we did.
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  We saw in theaters the first time.
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  Yeah. I mean, we streamed it at home
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  this weekend. Yeah.
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  So anyways this give us some background.
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  Yeah. So a lot of people would
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  probably think that this is all from him but this was actually
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  pitched to him. And kind of is like the
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  brainchild of his wife. Oh correct, the movie with them
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  and Ingrid bisou. They both kind of came up with
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  the idea together and it started off with the idea of conjoined
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  twins and it kind of snowballed from there.
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  Okay, not from a nightmare, like most people seem to think she's
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  made that very clear. It just kind of became something
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  that came out of her fascination with medical.
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  I don't know, just like medical research.
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  She just did a lot of, a lot of digging into things like that
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  and was inspired. So she came up with this idea
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  and pitched it to him. He was all for it.
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  It was clearly 100% medically accurate.
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  Yeah, like human centipede. Yeah.
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  Yeah. But the screenplay was written
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  by Kelly Cooper. So yeah.
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  They did their part of. I don't know that they've
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  collaborated with James 1 and several other movies.
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  But what do you think this is? You think it's budget or bugs
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  headlight because our, it's not Not funded by Warner Bros.
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  It's an independent Studio that did this, but it is a pretty
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  fucking crazy movie. Yeah, I mean, the effects are
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  just so intense. I'm going to say it's is budget
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  like lower budget but it's give me a guess greater than
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  bug-head? No, really.
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  Guess you don't. That's not what our that's not
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  what our format is. Well, we can just do things off
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  the fire. I don't want to guess.
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  All right. Well, it's major budget, man.
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  It's big budget. It's movie had a 40 million
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  dollar budget. All right, that's budget.
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  Yeah. But you'd be surprised this
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  movie is actually a lot of practical effects.
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  There's not a lot of like yeah, I I'm not saying that I thought
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  it was all like computer effects.
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  I'm just saying there's a lot of effects to it.
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  Yeah, I know. I'm just saying specifically,
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  like the Inception like scene Fades.
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  Yeah. No.
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  I mean, I'm just saying like a lot of people look at this movie
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  and they're like oh this is obviously all animated.
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  But really it's a lot of action sequences which is a lot of
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  training and stunt doubling and wiring and stuff to.
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  Yeah. But I mean a lot of this stuff
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  is practical despite a lot of the things in this movie.
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  Be looking like it's CGI like Gabriel is all like legitimately
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  portrayed by people, the his face especially that seen kind
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  of towards the end when we go, we'll get him, that's
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  animatronics purely. So it's a really nice maybe I
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  wish I could list. Everybody that worked on the
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  makeup, team on this and the special effects because they did
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  an amazing job but that was so fucking long.
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  I would be reading it for most of this.
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  So I'm sorry, but shout out to those people, they did a great
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  job, good job. But this movie did not make a
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  lot of money made 34 million. But you got to remember, came
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  out during peak of a time. Well, not maybe peak of its
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  time, but big covid. It's so casually it.
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  But I mean also, it had that HBO thing going.
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  So what people watched it at home, honestly, it was going on
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  during a lower point in code. It was near the end of Delta.
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  Before Omicron came out. Yeah, we life was gonna get
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  better again. We're like yeah, we're gonna go
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  to the movies. Ha ha yes, game on September
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  last year so I remember September much more hopeful
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  time. Yeah, but so yeah it was it's
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  kind of considered a flop in that sense.
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  But really I think it probably did find on the streaming
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  service worldwide grosses. Now that like it's fully
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  released now available for purchase and whatnot but let's
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  get into the cast. Here we have.
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  George Young plays Detective kokoa good question.
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  Uh could kosha Cocoa's his first name.
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  He's detective Shaw, I'm just going by The names, we know, did
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  they call him kokoa and the movie the entire time?
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  And he's detective. So let me do my thing, man.
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  Let me do it. Michelle Brianna white plays
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  Detective Moss Regina Moss. Yeah I'm going with whatever
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  Rings better. They don't really say their name
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  much. I just got her name.
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  Mostly from her placard on it. Yeah they don't ever say her
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  name. So Marina.
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  M' oppa. She plays Gabriel.
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  Okay. So the interesting thing about
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  her, do you know about how they were able to capture the
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  movements in this? Let's finish reading off the
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  cast and then we'll talk about this okay?
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  I just I don't want to get sidetracked.
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  Let's get through the cast. It's not sidetracked if it's
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  relevant. Yeah.
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  But we have These are fun facts. Just read off the cast.
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  All right, Troy James also plays Gabriel.
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  Okay Maddie, hasson plays Sydney, okay and Annabelle,
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  Wallis plays Madison. What if they had Maddie play
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  Madison? I know I was just thinking that
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  that would have been awesome. You think it got confusing on
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  sale? That's probably why she didn't
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  get the role in there. I will just cast you as a
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  sister. I'm so sorry, it's just too
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  confusing. That's the cast.
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  Do you think James Wan got confused with an antebellum set?
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  He's like, this is the wrong movie, leave?
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  No, he probably cast her because of that.
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  Good luck. He's like I don't want to be
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  haunted. Got a Caster.
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  Yeah, so yeah, that's the gas. Okay.
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  And crew, okay. All right, what I was going to
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  say about the whole thing? Do you know how Gabriel like how
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  they were able to capture the whole movement of that
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  character? Wow, They hired contortionists.
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  Okay. So throughout this whole movie,
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  like the way that everything looks so awkward.
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  Again, we're talking about spoilers because you know, I
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  can't talk about this movie without talking about feel like
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  we've already spoiled it. We've already mentioned
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  conjoined twins. Well, yeah, I guess kind of, but
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  not kind of, that's the twist. Well, whatever.
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  I mean, kind of a kind of my like I mean, you can talk about
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  that. But That doesn't really twist.
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  I give you like the big thing. What?
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  No, no, no, please don't do that.
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  I'm sick of that. I'm so sick of having to hear
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  that shit. I'm sorry.
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  But yeah I would you say that the like a pressure that just
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  should choke choke and it's ready to pop.
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  You think I'm getting but I'm not legitimately done with
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  Encanto, it's over with, I'm done with it.
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  Anyways, so yeah, they got contortionists to play the
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  character. They're actually moving
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  backwards to any performance that you see, Gabriel in this
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  movie. Yeah.
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  You act like that's so fucking obvious there.
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  Looks like it's fake. Like whenever I'm watching that
• 20:59
  stuff in the movie, is it looks like it's not right?
• 21:02
  Like, it looks like somebody's animating that.
• 21:05
  That's why I'm thinking. People think that this movie is
• 21:07
  like a hugely CGI base because really, it's a lot of the stuff
• 21:10
  is like legitimate practical effects.
• 21:13
  Well, I think partly partly partially.
• 21:15
  That's the way that James Wan director, because a lot of
• 21:18
  people said the same thing about the Crooked Man in The Conjuring
• 21:20
  2. When that was not animated at
• 21:22
  all either. Yeah.
• 21:24
  Well, I mean, kind of because that one really the really
• 21:27
  weird, but I don't know how I did that honestly, because that
• 21:31
  just looks like it's stop motion.
• 21:33
  But, um, yeah. So they had two people play it
• 21:36
  because they wanted. So primarily it's Marina that
• 21:40
  plays Gabriel but for scenes that were, they had that a cab
• 21:44
  Gabriel, have more of like a masculine type of appearance.
• 21:47
  That's where they got Troy James the poem.
• 21:49
  So, yeah, they actually got contortionists.
• 21:52
  They're able to manipulate their body and crazy.
• 21:54
  Ways and are actually walking backwards and Performing all
• 21:56
  these stunts naturally, what they were going to do originally
• 21:58
  was there were gonna just rewind like reverse the recordings that
• 22:02
  way, you know, that would have been fine too, but they found
• 22:06
  out that they didn't have to once they found this person.
• 22:08
  So it's really cool. You're not as impressed with
• 22:10
  that as I thought you were going to be you're just like oh
• 22:12
  fucking yeah. I mean it looks like there are
• 22:15
  walking backwards. Okay.
• 22:17
  I guess I'm just stupid then and you know I thought people
• 22:20
  thought that it was you know, animated I thought Wasn't real.
• 22:25
  Whenever I watched it, I mean, I knew going into it this time
• 22:29
  that Gabriel was in the back of Maddie's head.
• 22:33
  So I was paying a lot more attention to it.
• 22:35
  Whereas the first time we're watching, I was just like, weird
• 22:37
  jerky movements. Like, so this time watching it,
• 22:40
  I was like, okay, that makes sense backwards.
• 22:43
  The movements made sense to me. It never looked sorry.
• 22:47
  It never looked like animated to me, just looked Creepy and
• 22:51
  jerky. Oh, good eye!
• 22:53
  You didn't, you figured it out. So sir sir.
• 22:58
  Yeah, well I'm giving you I'm giving you attitude.
• 23:00
  Yeah, sir. All right, I'm done, I'm done
• 23:04
  with my pre facts and fun facts and things like that you pre
• 23:11
  facts in your fun facts. Yeah, I had my pre facts when I
• 23:15
  was going through the cast and then I had my fun facts
• 23:17
  afterwards because I'm just having fun at that point.
• 23:20
  You do not Like you're having fun.
• 23:22
  I'm not Moving on. Let's go.
• 23:27
  Okay. So, what do you think of this
• 23:30
  one? Oh, I really like it.
• 23:32
  Yeah, this movie is bananas and it's such a good time.
• 23:35
  I'm not gonna pretend that. I was like the best more heart
• 23:40
  mess. More horror, and former, I'm not
• 23:43
  going to pretend that it's like the best horror movie of all
• 23:45
  time. And I'm not even gonna pretend
• 23:48
  that it's the most original horror movie of all time because
• 23:51
  really, what it is. It's a stylized retelling of
• 23:55
  Basket Case in a way. Yeah.
• 23:59
  It's not, I mean, it's not the same story because obviously in
• 24:04
  basket case, you know, the brothers were fully ins and
• 24:09
  sweet but like it's a similar story of like conjoined twins
• 24:15
  Belial / Gabriel's really angry at being separated and is taking
• 24:19
  Vengeance out on the people involved in the surgery.
• 24:23
  Yeah it really. I mean are the points are the
• 24:27
  same nobody ever. Actually.
• 24:29
  We asked him about that they always just asking about like
• 24:34
  the jaw will influence with this one, which that's definitely
• 24:38
  there. Yeah, which is weird to me
• 24:40
  because I feel like people that are going to clock the giallo
• 24:44
  influence would also be the same type of fucking nerds that would
• 24:49
  have seen basket case because I'm not gonna open basket case,
• 24:52
  it's not accessible to the Casual horror fan Basket Case is
• 24:57
  a weird fucking movie. That's another one of the ones.
• 24:59
  We were talking about where 80s movies has some really strange
• 25:02
  movies, Frank Hannon ladder. I'm gonna firmly recommend that
• 25:06
  to everybody listening to this episode as well.
• 25:09
  Whether you loved or hated malignant, I feel like you also
• 25:11
  need to watch Basket Case. Totally very different.
• 25:19
  While I hope that came through on the mic.
• 25:22
  It sure did. I guarantee it Travis did a did
• 25:25
  a basket case cosplay for scare fest.
• 25:27
  And we went the extra mile by me recording by Belial impression,
• 25:31
  which I'm not going to do into the mic because it will
• 25:33
  definitely blow out the audio. Well but that one actually made
• 25:37
  me realize so many people actually do no basket case.
• 25:39
  So, maybe a lot of people, you know, we're able to work
• 25:42
  invention. Yeah.
• 25:43
  And this is a horror movie. I know I'm just saying malignant
• 25:46
  was like, More. Well, is that people will see
• 25:51
  the name James one and they go in expecting a certain type of
• 25:54
  movie, more accessible. Yeah.
• 25:57
  But I like it's absolutely bananas.
• 26:00
  It's not. It seems like it's meant to be
• 26:03
  played straight, but it's definitely not because some of
• 26:06
  the lines are so cheesy and delivered.
• 26:09
  So, over dramatically and it definitely feels like a love
• 26:13
  letter to like, like you said, to Joe lows, it you feel that
• 26:18
  the Soundtrack. I wish it went a little bit
• 26:21
  harder. I wish it was a little bit more
• 26:24
  Goblin asked at times. Yeah, I do love the use of
• 26:29
  pixies. That was one of the things I
• 26:32
  didn't really care for. I've spent the last 24 hours
• 26:35
  going, I just remember being in theaters watching this.
• 26:40
  I'm like, are they ripping off the Pixies?
• 26:42
  I was actually getting pissed off as like, they're fucking
• 26:44
  ripping it off and then you told me that they sampled it.
• 26:46
  But, you know, still, I'm just like, that's fucking Pixies.
• 26:49
  It's just so weird. I don't know.
• 26:51
  No. Yeah, it subverts some
• 26:54
  expectations. Liens, hard into some others.
• 26:57
  And I'm not the biggest action person, but holy shit.
• 27:01
  If it does not have one of the best most fun action sequences.
• 27:05
  So, all in all I A really, really good time with this
• 27:09
  movie. It's enjoyable to watch.
• 27:11
  I don't feel like it's ever boring.
• 27:14
  I won't give it a nine and a half.
• 27:15
  Wow, no big score by now. Yeah.
• 27:20
  I'll, I'll Echo a lot of what you said because I love this
• 27:23
  movie, too. I also went into it.
• 27:26
  So, I went into this movie, like, most people, do they see
• 27:29
  the name? James one, I've heard about his
• 27:33
  whole Zhao influence because before this movie even go,
• 27:37
  Release. He mentioned how he's kind of
• 27:40
  Taken influenced by that genre. I don't think you like jello.
• 27:43
  So Travis I don't hate the brand new information, I know.
• 27:46
  No. You know what?
• 27:46
  I was all it was, I know I talk about the Malaya.
• 27:49
  Okay. It's a, it's a recent
• 27:51
  Fascination that I've had. So I'm going to talk about it
• 27:55
  and it's relevant to this movie too.
• 27:57
  So I'm going to talk about it during this movie.
• 28:01
  I forgot to mention. This is a, he also works on he
• 28:05
  like rights for a graphic novel. That he created.
• 28:09
  And the graphic novel is called malignant man.
• 28:13
  Has no relation to this. It's like a superhero type thing
• 28:16
  I think so. I wanted people kind of theorize
• 28:19
  a would have been based off of that too.
• 28:21
  But no, this is a completely separate thing.
• 28:24
  But yeah. So, I went into this expecting
• 28:27
  that and I got something completely different.
• 28:32
  And a lot of people went into this with those same
• 28:35
  expectations, you know, going in.
• 28:37
  What Watching and James one movie.
• 28:39
  I knew I was going to be not a haunting movie based off of the
• 28:42
  trailers but the trailers did a really good job of not telling
• 28:44
  you anything. They just kind of gave you
• 28:47
  enough to give you like a little bit of interest in it so it's
• 28:54
  not a hunting movie and at the very beginning it kind of gives
• 28:57
  you a little. It makes you think that it's
• 29:00
  going to be one because it's got very James one asks sequences in
• 29:05
  it. I would say it's Leg kind of a
• 29:09
  supernatural element to it but it's almost like sci-fi.
• 29:13
  It's like a Paranormal science fiction, I don't know.
• 29:20
  Okay. Kind of, yeah, I didn't come out
• 29:22
  the way I wanted, you know, I get what I get what you're
• 29:26
  saying, so but I was just so happy with what I got because
• 29:33
  what we ended up getting was really like, you're getting a b
• 29:38
  horror movie from the 80s like we've been talking about, but
• 29:42
  you're giving it to somebody who actually knows how to.
• 29:45
  Yeah, they have the budget and A competent filmmaker, which a lot
• 29:49
  of those movies, like they're enduring because you can tell
• 29:52
  that the heart was there. But the skill, isn't this one
• 29:55
  right here, has the skill behind it and it has the heart there,
• 29:58
  too. Like it's a love letter to so
• 30:01
  many genres that he loves. Yeah.
• 30:03
  And it's so obvious, it's just, it's like a horror fan stream
• 30:08
  movie, I think, and it, it doesn't feel over indulgent, no,
• 30:13
  no way that something like this could be, which is remarkable to
• 30:16
  say, It's almost two hours but it it's tells a very tight story
• 30:22
  in that time. Like now, yeah, minute is
• 30:24
  wasted. No, no, it's really good.
• 30:27
  Yeah, the characters their over-the-top, my God, I loved
• 30:31
  every minute of it. You can tell they're meant to be
• 30:34
  over the top and it's not over-the-top and away.
• 30:36
  Like ha ha ha. We are going over the top.
• 30:38
  But yeah, because, you know, big cheesy dialogue.
• 30:41
  A lot of people, that's one of the complaints that a lot of
• 30:43
  people have with this one is they say that it's It's just
• 30:47
  terrible, writing, terrible characters.
• 30:49
  But I mean, you got to look at the man's track record and
• 30:54
  realize that, I mean, if this was a type of movie such
• 30:58
  brilliant lines, as my name is very fucking confused.
• 31:03
  Was that from this movie? Well, it's from Saw, oh,
• 31:06
  brilliant. Roll a brilliant line.
• 31:08
  Yeah, I'm just saying, how did you not get that line?
• 31:12
  I can't. That's that might have been Lee
• 31:14
  would know that says, yeah, actually his care.
• 31:16
  That's Adam. Yeah, I wrote it, but whatever.
• 31:19
  Oh yeah, but just looking at his past movies like a, I know that
• 31:23
  the guy knows how to make like a, like a good movie.
• 31:27
  So I don't think I think that everything that you see on here
• 31:30
  is completely intentional, and it's great.
• 31:32
  So Gabriel is one of my favorite recent Killers.
• 31:36
  Honestly, it's, it's such a cool concept.
• 31:39
  They know it, the look everything about it.
• 31:42
  I love how he's able to telepathically communicate
• 31:44
  through radios and TVs and stuff like that.
• 31:46
  Phones. Yeah, it's just brilliant man.
• 31:49
  I fucking love it and I'm not copying you but I was also
• 31:53
  thinking of mine 9.5 rating for this one.
• 31:55
  It's so fucking good. It's such a good movie.
• 31:58
  So yeah, and that's why I chose this movie.
• 32:02
  A lot of people don't like this movie.
• 32:04
  We got a lot of reviews from listeners that don't like this
• 32:07
  movie, but we wanted to. Yeah, like it and we're not
• 32:11
  shitting on the people that don't know, like ever.
• 32:13
  I mean you can all of these things can be true and you can
• 32:16
  still not I like the product that's totally fine.
• 32:18
  I understand that. I just want to be able to shine
• 32:20
  some love on a movie. That like, we say, in the, the
• 32:24
  intro, this every movie has its own fan base, where the fan base
• 32:27
  for this movie and wouldn't be able to shower with the wolves
• 32:30
  that we think that it deserves and we will share some of those,
• 32:32
  not so favorable. Yes, there's give them the
• 32:35
  space. We will give them.
• 32:36
  Yes you be valid. Everything is going to be it's
• 32:39
  going to be even. So we're going to get some hate
• 32:41
  for this movie at the end to. So it's going to be balanced but
• 32:43
  that's it. What's the word 9.50?
• 32:46
  Say, I don't know why I even thought about asking.
• 32:49
  So yeah, all right, cool. Let's get down to it.
• 32:52
  Let's do it. Cut out the Cancer.
• 32:54
  All right, so we started off. Simeon, Research Hospital 1993,
• 32:58
  there's a doctor, doing a video recording about a subject named
• 33:02
  Gabriel, strong malicious, perhaps malignant even maybe
• 33:09
  maybe he. He Oh, she's just like, okay,
• 33:17
  sorry, we are two lines into this and I'm already struggling
• 33:22
  with my notes. This is a good sign of things to
• 33:25
  come. So another like darker or Tech
• 33:31
  or whatever pops in says he got out.
• 33:34
  He wants to go home. ECT is having no effect.
• 33:37
  It's like he's drinking the electricity, controlling, our
• 33:40
  Electronics. It's all so fucking over the
• 33:43
  top, like, in the most insane. Bananas way.
• 33:48
  Yeah it's it's a really good way to set the scene I think.
• 33:52
  Yeah because I mean again like well it's not I mean you you get
• 33:57
  the they're telling you how I use.
• 34:00
  Well no you and makes you think that's paranormal kind of
• 34:04
  because I mean yeah they're saying he's controlling things
• 34:06
  with his mind. It feels very X-Men.
• 34:09
  Yeah. And then all of a sudden like
• 34:10
  they're walking down the hallway and the security guard or doctor
• 34:12
  like flies from the room up against the wall.
• 34:15
  Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, this is crazy.
• 34:18
  Shit out right away, like they start shooting at this patient
• 34:22
  in the hospital. They tranq him to get a
• 34:24
  tranquilizer. That was not a tranquilizer gun
• 34:27
  that was being shot. Yeah, was a couple.
• 34:30
  That's not how a tranquilizer. I'm thinking of the one that the
• 34:33
  main doctor. Yeah.
• 34:34
  Yeah. But they're like some actually
• 34:35
  gun fires tranquilizer gun, like, you load one dart at a
• 34:39
  time, because it's got, she does.
• 34:40
  Yeah. So yeah.
• 34:43
  And then we see, like, kind of behind this.
• 34:46
  Film. A curtain like this little
• 34:49
  monster baby thing. Kind of like a large version of
• 34:52
  the baby in the stink from PT. Yeah and he kind of sounds like
• 34:56
  him too. Yeah.
• 34:58
  Dad was such a drag PT. The only horror video game
• 35:04
  reference, we know how to make. Yeah.
• 35:06
  Because which is stupid because we played several that's
• 35:11
  relevant. Yeah, we got this like shot of
• 35:15
  the day. On your face, it's time to cut
• 35:17
  out the cancer, dramatic music, sting, and then we like during
• 35:21
  the opening credits. So you can see, like all of
• 35:23
  these records flashing through the screen, which as you paying
• 35:26
  more attention to your second time around, you can kind of get
• 35:29
  hints of what is actually happening.
• 35:31
  But the first time, you're just like, oh, general, research
• 35:34
  hospital, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 35:36
  Yeah, it's also got quips of surgery being performed to where
• 35:39
  they're actually like cutting off.
• 35:41
  Yeah, I think is so gross. Gross, gross.
• 35:45
  Bye. Way if you're ever curious you
• 35:47
  can totally look up surgery videos on YouTube.
• 35:50
  Yeah, thank you can look it up. I met Travis look up.
• 35:52
  How an ACL surgery goes because I looked it up.
• 35:55
  My doctor tried to get me to watch it before my surgery
• 35:57
  because I was very nervous and I was like, I don't know if you
• 36:00
  know how psychology works but that's not gonna make me less
• 36:02
  nervous and boy. Howdy am I glad that I waited
• 36:06
  until after I was like, done with physical therapy and
• 36:09
  everything to watch it. Because that shit is fucking
• 36:11
  brutal. It's fucked up.
• 36:12
  It took a hammer to you. It's insane.
• 36:16
  But yeah. So if you have a morbid
• 36:17
  fascination with it, they're on there.
• 36:19
  Look up. Yeah.
• 36:20
  Look it up. Um So we kept the present day.
• 36:25
  We see this like really nice-looking home.
• 36:30
  It's like trying to think of what the right terminology is
• 36:34
  HGTV would be so disappointed in us.
• 36:39
  I don't know. It's, I don't know, it's a nice
• 36:42
  two-story home. Yeah, got character.
• 36:45
  It's got character. So she pulls up and they're a
• 36:49
  little beat-up, Toyota Corolla. She looks like a nurse because
• 36:52
  she's wearing scrubs. Herbs.
• 36:53
  She looks pregnant because she's pregnant because she's pregnant
• 36:58
  and she goes inside and the house looks like it's still nice
• 37:03
  inside but like looks like maybe it needs a little bit extra TLC
• 37:07
  here and they're really looks like a perfectly fine house to
• 37:10
  me, it doesn't look like there's anything wrong with it.
• 37:11
  It's all tidy. She just goes.
• 37:14
  And I mean, the only thing that looks a little tired inside its
• 37:17
  really. Yeah.
• 37:18
  Like, you know, they're just, I don't know.
• 37:21
  I didn't get any response. Okay, sure she goes into her
• 37:27
  bedroom because she's clearly tired and her husband's there
• 37:31
  watching rasslin on the TV really fucking loud.
• 37:34
  And he was like, he doesn't get off the bed.
• 37:36
  He's like, hey babe, thought you were working the night shift and
• 37:39
  she's like, well, I was supposed to but I'm just like, really
• 37:41
  tired little dumplings. Got me, so war and exhausted,
• 37:45
  which I hear is a common side effect of pregnancy.
• 37:48
  So, you know, there you go. And she like, He turns off the
• 37:54
  TV, like, he's like telling her that she needs to take it easy.
• 37:58
  And she turns off the TV, she's tired.
• 37:59
  She's like, hey, I just don't want to go to bed and he's with
• 38:02
  book turned TV off on me, bitch. And she's like, I need to lay
• 38:06
  down. Also, there's a TV downstairs.
• 38:08
  So he's I mean, this guy's an asshole.
• 38:11
  I fuck. Fuck Derek fuck.
• 38:13
  Fuck fucking Derek. And it's a shitty one for like,
• 38:17
  it's mean, but I love it because he/she, he says her Maybe you
• 38:23
  need to stop being pregnant, which that's like another one of
• 38:27
  those things where it sounds. So fucking stupid.
• 38:29
  But they play it straight. And really, I thought it was
• 38:32
  kind of funny. Like, that's to me, that's like
• 38:34
  a dead giveaway. Oh, this movies.
• 38:36
  It's one of those movies. It's being weird.
• 38:39
  Yeah. Well, I mean, they don't even
• 38:41
  try and like hide the fact that he's an abusive piece of shit.
• 38:44
  Like they're just like, no, you know what?
• 38:46
  We're going to kill him in five minutes.
• 38:48
  Anyway, let's just go ahead and Hammer the point home.
• 38:50
  No settled you needed and you know what we got.
• 38:53
  Got zero subtlety because he goes from I'm not gonna say he
• 38:57
  goes from 0 to 10 because he already started off.
• 38:59
  Pretty pretty high. He's he goes from 8 to 10 pretty
• 39:01
  quickly. Yeah, yeah.
• 39:04
  And like Throws her up against a.
• 39:07
  He got punches her and throw her up against the wall up and she
• 39:11
  does, I didn't see, I just thought really?
• 39:13
  Yeah. Oh, wow, I guess I just saw him
• 39:16
  grab her head and just slamming up against the wall.
• 39:18
  No, like he's grabbing with one hand and he's like, really?
• 39:21
  Yeah. He said she needs to stop being
• 39:23
  pregnant. I don't think he was actually
• 39:25
  trying. They like commit like
• 39:27
  miscarriage. Maybe, he was, I don't know.
• 39:29
  I didn't see the gut punch. I just saw him not that I can,
• 39:32
  you know, banging somebody's head.
• 39:34
  Like, that's not going to have that.
• 39:35
  A similar effect. Either considering her head
• 39:37
  doesn't stop bleeding for the rest of the movie which takes
• 39:40
  place over like a month. There's a reasons why.
• 39:43
  I know there's reasons why but like it just there's an alarming
• 39:46
  amount of blood that her being a nurse seems unconcerned by, and
• 39:50
  I know head wounds bleed a lot but still so yeah, he's like, oh
• 39:55
  shit. I'm going to go get you some ice
• 39:56
  because like her heads bleeding. She leaves a trail of blood,
• 39:59
  down the wall and she sinks to the floor.
• 40:02
  There wall is now concave it's Add in as soon as he goes
• 40:07
  downstairs, she locks him out of the bedroom as you do and when
• 40:12
  he comes back up there music music!
• 40:14
  Oh Mia! And I'm sorry that happened,
• 40:17
  fuck you, fuck you. Derek you.
• 40:20
  He used language that removed his own responsibility from what
• 40:25
  he just did to her. He's trying to manipulate it so
• 40:30
  that way she thinks it's an accident.
• 40:32
  Oh, I'm just a really stressed trying To not be an alcoholic,
• 40:36
  which granted? Yeah.
• 40:38
  Like sober and up. That's hard.
• 40:40
  That is fucking hard but, you know, plenty of people do it
• 40:42
  without becoming abusive asshole.
• 40:44
  Yeah. So just fucking Derek.
• 40:47
  Yeah, he sucks. And they, I mean, they make it
• 40:49
  so obviously, so you're supposed to hate Derek.
• 40:52
  Yes, and we do, which is why the next scene is, you know, no, no,
• 40:56
  love lost here. We get this really cool
• 41:00
  exterior, shot of the house. Yeah, it's great where it's
• 41:04
  foggy. Is creepy.
• 41:06
  And you're like, yeah, and he's asleep on the couch in front of
• 41:11
  the TV that he could have watched his loud rattling on.
• 41:13
  While his pregnant wife, took a nap, just throwing that out
• 41:18
  there. Yeah.
• 41:19
  But you know that's what a non-abusive non piece of shit
• 41:22
  would do. So too much, too much to expect
• 41:24
  from Derek. Yeah, he's sleeping on the
• 41:26
  couch, she's still walked out of the room so she is asleep
• 41:30
  upstairs Matias and he wakes up kissing, who's some I'm bumping
• 41:35
  around and it's hard to tell where it's coming from at first.
• 41:38
  It sounds like it's coming from upstairs but then it sounds like
• 41:41
  it's coming from the kitchen and all of a sudden the blenders on
• 41:44
  and all of a sudden the refrigerator doors open and I'll
• 41:47
  send the TV's on and Derek is like what the fuck?
• 41:50
  And then all of a sudden his neck is broken.
• 41:53
  Yeah, but I mean, some of the coolest shots this is one of the
• 41:57
  scenes I'm talking about that. It plays it like a haunting
• 42:00
  movie, because, yeah, you kind of get that vibe from the
• 42:02
  exterior shot of the house. Like it's kind of sets it up.
• 42:05
  Hunting movie, feels like equal parts, haunting movie, and home
• 42:09
  invasion. Yeah, and also because Jenna is
• 42:12
  therefore both. Well, the reason I say haunting
• 42:14
  is because like he goes into the living room and he sees a person
• 42:18
  like a silhouette of a person watching TV and then suddenly
• 42:21
  they disappear. But then you get that shot of
• 42:23
  the couch is cushion. It looks like somebody sitting
• 42:25
  there and then standing up like a ghost.
• 42:27
  Like it's trying to make. You think it's a ghost kind of
• 42:30
  which I like it because it's kind of like James one fucking
• 42:34
  with the audience, right? Yeah.
• 42:35
  Yeah, you fucking came here for this.
• 42:36
  Guess what? Bitch, you're not getting that
• 42:38
  anymore because that's the end of the ghost, like Shenanigans
• 42:43
  in this movie. Yeah.
• 42:44
  So mad. He wakes up upstairs here.
• 42:47
  In arrakis there's blood on her pillow.
• 42:50
  She's like, well, I'm just gonna ignore that compartmentalize.
• 42:54
  That shit for right now and go figure out what's happening
• 42:56
  downstairs. And she goes downstairs to find,
• 42:59
  Derek with bones, poking out of the wrong part of his neck.
• 43:03
  Not that there's a right part of Neck for bones.
• 43:06
  I was going to say, like, it's never the wrong, it's just, it
• 43:10
  doesn't know. And then she tries to run out
• 43:16
  but the front door gets blown shut right in front of her.
• 43:20
  And so, she runs upstairs and she ends up locking herself and
• 43:23
  the nursery except she doesn't quite get it locked.
• 43:26
  And then all of a sudden, the last thing we see is the door
• 43:28
  swings open and she gets thrown to the nursery floor.
• 43:31
  It's like that. It's the cool shot from the
• 43:32
  trailer, where she's pinned up against the door, trying to hold
• 43:34
  it. And it's just Yeah, it's so cool
• 43:37
  I love that shot. Yeah.
• 43:39
  So next scene we got all kinds of cars with all kinds of, we
• 43:44
  lose in Sirens outside, the detectives run up.
• 43:48
  We get like this whole typical like procedural type scene where
• 43:52
  the detectives are getting like details on the crimes.
• 43:54
  It like the whole thing, this whole opening could be like the
• 43:58
  beginning of a law-and-order episode.
• 44:00
  Yeah, pretty much thing is though.
• 44:03
  Yeah, because it's, I mean, you get that, Same type of thing,
• 44:05
  with that type of show. You get the over-the-top
• 44:08
  characters, they make it clear. I know you're supposed to hate
• 44:10
  this person. You're supposed to know,
• 44:12
  whatever, you know, it's a mystery.
• 44:13
  Yeah. So obviously, there's somebody
• 44:15
  breaking in is what they're saying.
• 44:16
  And then she was upstairs, found unconscious.
• 44:20
  The CSI person. I never caught her name and
• 44:23
  she's in a lot of scenes. I feel very bad that I never
• 44:26
  she's a minor. He was a very minor characters
• 44:28
  cute, though she's fun. Yeah, she's pretty much I like
• 44:32
  her character is like, oh, I am attracted to kokoa Yeah it's
• 44:35
  pretty much a yeah so she she said that Derek's wounds are
• 44:40
  typically only seen in motor vehicle accidents so you know
• 44:45
  bizarre but we do know that Maddie is alive and has been
• 44:50
  taken to the hospital at the hospital mad.
• 44:53
  He wakes up her sister Sydney is there and Sydney explains the
• 44:55
  Derek is dead and Maddie's just like well all I could think of
• 45:01
  was how scared I was for my baby and then she touches her now.
• 45:05
  Flat belly, and Sydney is like, they couldn't save her.
• 45:12
  I'm so, so sorry. And it's sad.
• 45:16
  Yeah, it's sad scene. And then she goes to sleep.
• 45:19
  And then detective kokoa comes in and starts interrogating
• 45:22
  Sydney. Well, he wants to interrogate
• 45:24
  Maddie because she's awake. She's just catatonic.
• 45:27
  Yeah, and Sydney comes in, in a princess dress and he kind of
• 45:32
  looks at her and she's like, I'm a princess at Family Planning It
• 45:36
  could've just left a princess. She had yes, like, she gets her
• 45:41
  and the CSI girl got the funniest lines in this movie,
• 45:44
  so, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So she comes in and she just,
• 45:48
  you know, she kind of answer some of his questions because,
• 45:52
  you know, he's trying to get some background on Maddie and
• 45:54
  Derek's relationship and she was like, honestly Derek has kept us
• 45:57
  apart for the past three years because he's an obvious FPS.
• 46:00
  I've shat that's normal. McDonald would say he's a Jerk.
• 46:07
  Have you ever seen this B about that?
• 46:08
  Like hell he hives up was I need to play that for you.
• 46:12
  After I said he hopes up a like a person you ever heard of
• 46:15
  Albert Fish. I'm sorry, this is yeah.
• 46:17
  He's yeah, no. He was real bad guy backs of
• 46:22
  children then did bad things to them and well, he he's got a
• 46:26
  show or I could podcast or whatever where he was talking to
• 46:29
  some guy describing somebody Albert Fish and then he is a,
• 46:32
  you know, a real jerk. Like that's the punchline.
• 46:35
  It's really good. Yeah I got a show to.
• 46:37
  Anyways he's a real jerk but detective kokoa reveals to
• 46:42
  Sydney that she is actually had three miscarriages in two years.
• 46:46
  Yeah. I and the wording I couldn't
• 46:48
  tell if this was the fourth miscarriage or the third because
• 46:51
  the way it's kind of like, she's like, This is the fourth.
• 46:55
  Yeah, because the way it kind of is worded, it could be either
• 46:59
  way. We're.
• 47:00
  Yeah. Because our think he is, I think
• 47:02
  he's talking about the motive of Derek being, the three
• 47:05
  miscarriages. So yeah, so it's just a whole
• 47:09
  whole bad thing. We find out during the autopsy
• 47:12
  that there are no fingerprints, but there are handprints which,
• 47:16
  okay. But they're upside down, all the
• 47:20
  neighbors say that Derek has been beaten up on, man.
• 47:23
  Maddie, which I'm just kind of like I know like nobody's ever
• 47:29
  sure when they should speak up on stuff like that, but God,
• 47:33
  that sucks for her. That people knew she was going
• 47:36
  through this and nobody helped her.
• 47:38
  Yeah, it's terrible. It's a real serious thing in
• 47:41
  this movie but it's kind of over with after this point.
• 47:45
  Yeah, I mean, it comes up a couple more times but it just
• 47:48
  it's just my heart breaks for Maddie.
• 47:50
  Yeah, she's a really tragic character at this part.
• 47:53
  Yeah. I mean she's really a tragic
• 47:55
  character throughout the whole thing.
• 47:56
  Well, that's Yeah, so they say there's no sign of forced entry
• 48:01
  and they're just kind of assuming that it's Maddie.
• 48:03
  And in the background I'm shouting but Angela said that
• 48:06
  the injury is consistent with things.
• 48:09
  Typically seen in a motor vehicle accident, she weighs 90
• 48:12
  pounds. How did she break the neck of a
• 48:15
  man who has been consistently beating the shit out of her in
• 48:19
  reality though? She had he's capable of that, I
• 48:22
  know but you know I'm battered woman syndrome is a very real
• 48:26
  thing. But, you know, typically would
• 48:28
  be like, well, he's asleep, stab him.
• 48:31
  Yeah, but whatever. But two weeks later, two weeks.
• 48:36
  Later said he's taking Maddie home, she wants to stay at
• 48:40
  Maddie's like, you know, she's just ready to move on with her
• 48:43
  life. She doesn't want to leave the
• 48:44
  house because she's like, I don't want my house taken from
• 48:46
  me to like once one little piece of normalcy retained and she's
• 48:51
  worked hard for her house. It's a big house to be alone in
• 48:54
  especially after having a home invasion.
• 48:57
  Especially considering the fact that she goes upstairs to take a
• 49:00
  bath and doesn't lock any of her fucking door.
• 49:02
  Yeah, just got home. Invaded girl, why are you
• 49:06
  waiting until you look out your window?
• 49:07
  Oh there's a flickering Street Lamp.
• 49:09
  Oh man, a mysterious figure underneath it.
• 49:11
  Oh shit. I should probably go lock my
• 49:13
  front door and I would say that this is small Township because I
• 49:16
  mean I come from a small town and we don't always walk our
• 49:19
  doors all the time. But this is Seattle and it's
• 49:23
  very much, a lock your door and type of place.
• 49:27
  Especially after having somebody supposedly break into your
• 49:30
  house. But that shot about like with
• 49:32
  the flickering, light out in the distance that she captures and
• 49:35
  sees like the silhouette other person.
• 49:37
  Yeah. It's a really nice.
• 49:38
  I liked it. I liked the shotover like,
• 49:40
  running through the house and she's like locking the door.
• 49:42
  And this is so cool. Yeah, like it's kind of like
• 49:43
  this overhead shot. Like see ya?
• 49:46
  See the whole floor plan. I think that they should do more
• 49:49
  like, online virtual House, tours those, when they talked
• 49:52
  about, I watch the making of this movie.
• 49:55
  They talked about this chef, They were able to pull this off
• 49:58
  because this is all on a soundstage.
• 50:00
  So as no roof and I have like an overhead camera and it's just
• 50:03
  kind of tracking the movements of her.
• 50:04
  It's a really nice nicely done. I'm just saying that Zillow
• 50:08
  should contract James wan to do to remove the roof and do some
• 50:13
  some virtual walkthroughs. I mean, it's like the house on
• 50:16
  her episodes where I guess weirdly cinematic for some
• 50:18
  reason. You know people are like was I
• 50:20
  need this for my demo reel actors and editors that are
• 50:22
  really just trying to try something with them, you know?
• 50:24
  Yeah. Sometimes you get the fun size.
• 50:26
  And editors to, but throughout this whenever she walks the
• 50:32
  door, I gotta like how this is kind of like a little plan for
• 50:34
  somebody who's seen it before, but she's just telling yourself.
• 50:37
  It's all in my head. It's all in my head.
• 50:39
  It literally is. Yeah.
• 50:42
  So the next day, we see her boarding up all the windows and
• 50:45
  putting extra dead bolts on the doors.
• 50:51
  Sydney tries to come in. She can't her he's aren't like
• 50:54
  they're turning in the knob, but she can't open the door.
• 50:56
  So she climbs up the window and first of all, why would you not
• 50:59
  Knock first though? I know it would be so annoying
• 51:02
  to have somebody just unlock your door and walk into your
• 51:04
  house whenever they don't live there.
• 51:05
  Unannounced, you know, that's a shitty.
• 51:08
  I don't even knock on my sister's daughter because she's
• 51:11
  scared. She expects you though.
• 51:12
  She expects me. I'll just like texture.
• 51:14
  I'm like, I don't want to ring the bell and wake up one or two
• 51:18
  small children. Yeah.
• 51:19
  She's always like, thank you. I appreciate that.
• 51:22
  More people need to not ring my doorbell.
• 51:27
  But yeah, so she climbs up to the bedroom window and she's,
• 51:32
  like, mom made a casserole. I couldn't climb with it.
• 51:34
  So it's downstairs. Another great line.
• 51:38
  How is Maddie going to be getting out of here?
• 51:41
  It's just going to be staying inside her house forever.
• 51:44
  Who's she gonna climb down from the roof million?
• 51:46
  Okay but yeah she is like sitting there staring at the
• 51:50
  dent in her wall and her sister is like holy shit he did this to
• 51:54
  you and then she says the most poignant I think she's like
• 51:57
  listen what happened to him is really fucked up, hard to care.
• 52:02
  And Maddie says that she she almost left him three years ago
• 52:06
  and then she got pregnant for the first time.
• 52:08
  And she was like and I just really wanted to have a
• 52:11
  flesh-and-blood connection and Sydney's like, hello.
• 52:14
  I'm your sister. And she goes, you're actually my
• 52:16
  adopted sister, it's like that the pixie son Cuts in there.
• 52:24
  She's she like has a revelation Since in our face like her
• 52:28
  brain, just plays the whole ending of Fight Club is like so
• 52:34
  stupid, but I love it. Yeah.
• 52:37
  And we find out that that Maddie was adopted when she was 8 years
• 52:42
  old, her mom died during childbirth and she doesn't
• 52:46
  remember anything from her life before.
• 52:49
  Her mom took her in. So I would I'm just going to
• 52:52
  refer to her job to mom as her mom because for all intents and
• 52:55
  purposes, that's her mom. Now their mom I mean and we'll
• 53:00
  get to these themes later on but family so much more than DNA.
• 53:03
  So and I'm very friendly one of those people that thinks your
• 53:08
  blood has so much less to do with it than everything else.
• 53:11
  Yeah. Are you looking your blood right
• 53:14
  now? I got, um, That pomegranate in
• 53:17
  between my fingers sticky, you just talking about the
• 53:21
  importance of blood. Oh, really start looking your
• 53:23
  fingers. So we go to an old Seattle
• 53:30
  Underground Tour. You know, and she's just talking
• 53:35
  about like maybe there was clothes downstairs.
• 53:37
  And then the lights flicker and everybody goes haha.
• 53:40
  Like it's all planned. We see this woman and closing up
• 53:43
  at the end of the night and the lights flicker again.
• 53:46
  And she's Quiet. But she unplugs them.
• 53:49
  And then she hears sounds and she pulls him back in and then
• 53:52
  she's attacked don't until she gets pants.
• 53:55
  Yeah, she gets pouts and then we cut to seeing her like tied up
• 53:59
  on some like on an attic. Sing like the fucking setting.
• 54:04
  It's so cold, the fan, The Whiting and everything here and
• 54:08
  then you get to see. Gabriel like, whoa, I mean, we
• 54:12
  know it's Gabriel now about like somebody's just over there
• 54:14
  putting on like a jacket and all that stuff.
• 54:16
  Tough and they're just kind of suiting up.
• 54:18
  It's a really nice setting. I liked it.
• 54:21
  Yeah. In the figure puts on the trench
• 54:23
  coat and this is how we find out.
• 54:25
  It's Gabriel, kind of because he starts talking through the
• 54:27
  radio. So if you were paying attention
• 54:29
  at the beginning and you know that Gabriel can talk through
• 54:31
  Electronics, then you figure out that this is Gabriel.
• 54:35
  Also, you're in a movie and Gabriel was the first thing you
• 54:37
  saw. So you figured that he was
• 54:39
  probably going to come back at some point.
• 54:41
  Yeah. And then he tells her it's like
• 54:43
  all right. First dr.
• 54:44
  Weaver. So then we got to cut to dr.
• 54:46
  Weaver Getting think it's like a phone call, right?
• 54:49
  Yeah. Phone call from Gabriel and I
• 54:51
  says is time to cut out the cancer.
• 54:53
  And she's like, who is this? Who is this?
• 54:56
  And then she hangs up and knows who it is.
• 54:59
  And she immediately goes to her records that she keeps in her
• 55:02
  house, for some reason, which Like, I don't know if that's
• 55:06
  legal, is it go? Yeah.
• 55:08
  If you have records at home, they're supposed to be kept in a
• 55:10
  place that can be locked and secured.
• 55:12
  She has a Allen. The open on a bookcase.
• 55:14
  Yes. And it doesn't look like it's in
• 55:16
  a locked. Study.
• 55:18
  Is my issue with it. I like how willing you are to
• 55:21
  agree with me with this but you defended dr.
• 55:23
  Loomis. Oh, last week I mean whatever
• 55:26
  man it's a defunct hospital. They probably don't give a fuck.
• 55:30
  I mean, patients rates still exist.
• 55:33
  Okay. So Maddie is in House doing
• 55:35
  laundry. She has so much laundry.
• 55:37
  There's just clothes everywhere. How are you living your life,
• 55:40
  baby? Like, I hope you're not still
• 55:41
  washing Derek's. Close burn.
• 55:43
  That shit. I assume he didn't have a
• 55:48
  funeral. Like we see.
• 55:49
  No, no man. It's been two weeks of what?
• 55:52
  Oh, I can happen in two weeks regarding that doesn't want to
• 55:54
  come. It's fine.
• 55:55
  Shoot. Yeah, she was probably in the
• 55:57
  hospital. During the whole thing.
• 55:58
  His family could have done their whole thing and that's fine.
• 56:01
  We don't get, he's such a shitty character, we don't ya?
• 56:02
  Think about him anymore. Well, she's doing the laundry.
• 56:06
  The lights flicker. We get some radio.
• 56:08
  Static. Her head starts hurting.
• 56:10
  She sees something running out. She's going down the stairs and
• 56:14
  her head starts bleeding again. And while she's putting the
• 56:17
  clothes in the washer, like all of a sudden, there's dr.
• 56:21
  Weaver behind the door and she's like, wait, who are you?
• 56:24
  And the doctor was like, get out of my house and that he's like,
• 56:26
  you're in my house. Get out of here.
• 56:28
  You and then all of a sudden, she falls back and then she's
• 56:31
  like Frozen in place. And then we got this like
• 56:33
  Inception style like scene All I could think of the whole time as
• 56:36
  well. Yeah, but before that even like
• 56:38
  you she's sees Gabriel in her house grabbed her and then swam
• 56:43
  her down on the ground as soon as like that makes impact on the
• 56:45
  ground and it flashes right into dr.
• 56:47
  Weaver's home. That was so I like that
• 56:49
  transition better than like the Inception type of transition.
• 56:53
  We're just boom. Cut you like, you were like
• 56:55
  jolted right into it. Yeah, so like Gabriel just
• 56:59
  fucking brutalizes. This woman like is just beating
• 57:02
  the shit out of her tossing her around. and grabs her surgery
• 57:06
  trophy, which I didn't think such a thing existed.
• 57:12
  And if it did, I would assume it would be one of those like,
• 57:15
  Crystal type things. It's just like random geometric
• 57:18
  shape, not like an actual fucking knife.
• 57:21
  I think it's an actual thing. They talked about the conception
• 57:24
  of this weapon. Okay.
• 57:26
  Interviews that I was reading and I can't remember exactly
• 57:29
  like everything about it, but it's supposed to be ironic
• 57:32
  because it's killing her with the thing that, you know, It's
• 57:38
  kind of he's taking a weapon of the thing that like kind of
• 57:40
  created this whole situation in the first place.
• 57:43
  Are they implying that? She performs surgery with a
• 57:45
  knife? No, I don't think so.
• 57:48
  It's not a knife. Is a it's like a dagger.
• 57:52
  He turns it into a dagger. But it isn't really though I
• 57:55
  guess just kind of like it's he sharpens it.
• 57:58
  I know he shot. He bludgeons her for this one.
• 58:00
  He's not stabbing her. Just seeing like the knife part
• 58:04
  at the top of the trophy. Has a hilt?
• 58:06
  Yeah. It's I don't know what that is
• 58:08
  honestly. I mean, I guess it.
• 58:10
  They probably had a creative liberties with it to turn into a
• 58:13
  knife. It's so cool.
• 58:15
  Visual effect later on. I completely agree with I'm just
• 58:17
  saying it's a, can you imagine? Like, you're in surgery.
• 58:21
  You're completely out under anaesthesia and your doctor
• 58:24
  goes. I'm not and just like slices off
• 58:28
  your tumor, whatever you wouldn't be paying attention to
• 58:31
  that. You wouldn't be awake for that.
• 58:34
  I'm just saying, what can you imagine finding out after the
• 58:36
  fact that that's what happened? You realize that after the fact
• 58:40
  that people were taking a fucking Hammer to your leg.
• 58:43
  All right. Well, it felt like it when I
• 58:44
  woke up and that's what I'm saying, man, did you take a
• 58:46
  hammer to my Leg. And he's like, yeah actually you
• 58:49
  didn't watch the video. I told you to so there you go.
• 58:51
  Surgery is way more barbaric than you actually think.
• 58:57
  Yeah. Somebody watches this whole
• 58:59
  thing. She's freaking out.
• 59:02
  I got to also say, like, as Gabriel is bludgeoning dr.
• 59:06
  Weaver, it's like these vicious blows like on almost like
• 59:10
  rubbery arms. Like it is.
• 59:13
  So over the top violent. Yeah, it's insane.
• 59:16
  I just love How unnatural his movies are is.
• 59:20
  Yeah, that's the creep factor to it.
• 59:22
  Yeah, so Maddie wakes up in her own kitchen, the next morning
• 59:25
  her head is still beating the same detectives Shaw and Moss
• 59:32
  are at dr. Weaver's house.
• 59:33
  A housekeeper found her that morning called her and I said
• 59:37
  the brutality of the attack points to the same as hacker
• 59:42
  from Maddie and Derek's house. Which you would think, would
• 59:48
  kind of exonerate Maddie in a way in their eyes, but Moss
• 59:54
  roommate suspicious over the entire time.
• 59:59
  So we see all of the records on their shelf, they decide that
• 1:00:05
  they're going to take them. She specialized in child
• 1:00:09
  reconstructive surgery and they find this picture on the floor
• 1:00:13
  which they think means that this is like The case specifically
• 1:00:17
  tied to the attack. And it's like a young girl.
• 1:00:21
  Who looks very obviously, like a young Maddie like, very
• 1:00:25
  obviously super obvious. Yeah, I'm insanely on.
• 1:00:30
  They did a good job casting the child actor, pretty similar.
• 1:00:33
  But yeah he takes the picture to Bosco and asks him that age her
• 1:00:38
  up 30 years. Yes.
• 1:00:41
  So we see Gabriel making the trophy knife next.
• 1:00:44
  Oh my God. This is So I know you're talking
• 1:00:46
  about it. It's ridiculous.
• 1:00:48
  First of all, this movies fucking ridiculous, but this
• 1:00:51
  weapon is so cool. I love this weapon.
• 1:00:54
  One of the things like Killers need to have to be like to stand
• 1:00:57
  out. To me is have a memorable weapon
• 1:01:00
  or a memorable. Look, and this character knows
• 1:01:02
  both of them. He also has the Zhao, get up.
• 1:01:06
  He's got the black gloves, the black leather gloves, he's got
• 1:01:09
  the trench coat, you know, it's the character like the killer.
• 1:01:13
  All in black. That's yeah the thing and This
• 1:01:18
  I'm going to say it and you're going to give me shit probably.
• 1:01:20
  But this is like reminds me so much of black Christmas because
• 1:01:25
  one is in the Attic. Okay.
• 1:01:27
  And he kills that one girl with the Unicorn trophy It's very
• 1:01:34
  similar to me. I see the parallels there,
• 1:01:37
  honestly. Like, we're gonna make a new
• 1:01:39
  game from every movie. How can Travis tie this Back to
• 1:01:44
  Black Christmas? I'm gonna write a book, Black
• 1:01:46
  Christmas, the secret influential slasher.
• 1:01:51
  It's the one that has its hidden in every single movie.
• 1:01:55
  I can probably reference black Christmas in any movie ever, but
• 1:01:59
  this one's so clear to me, okay? Do you not see what I'm talking
• 1:02:03
  about that? The whole attic seen like the
• 1:02:07
  whole get up there and then you know the trophy like that was
• 1:02:10
  very reminiscent to me, at least, it's not like, I'm
• 1:02:15
  grasping at like, you know, straws you seems pretty obvious.
• 1:02:21
  I didn't make that connection. Oh yeah.
• 1:02:24
  Also, I don't think that unicorn was a trophy.
• 1:02:26
  I think I was just like a fear, whatever, man, same thing.
• 1:02:30
  It's very similar whatever. Just move on, fuck you.
• 1:02:37
  Okay. So Sydney's with Maddie and
• 1:02:39
  Maddie is like throwing up. She's freaking out, she tell
• 1:02:42
  Sydney what she saw. We well, we haven't seen that
• 1:02:47
  yet. Those were we haven't talked
• 1:02:48
  about it, not the vision of her seeing.
• 1:02:51
  She's seen the other doctor now. Yeah but we had the first scene
• 1:02:55
  of them talking about it first. After she sees dr.
• 1:03:01
  Weaver stuff. Sydney comes over.
• 1:03:03
  No, she's throwing up after she sees the other guys.
• 1:03:09
  She tells her about this first vision and then she sees the
• 1:03:13
  other guys. She wakes up screaming and
• 1:03:14
  Sydney comes in for that. No, I guess you're right.
• 1:03:17
  Yeah, I think I am. Right.
• 1:03:18
  I'm looking at my notes. I am to my notes are in order.
• 1:03:21
  I take more notes than you. Okay, so we see this fussy guy
• 1:03:28
  shuffling around his apartment. Dr. Fields.
• 1:03:31
  Okay, I've missed his name comes I take good notes, he's on the
• 1:03:36
  phone. He's like, yeah, see, yeah, see
• 1:03:39
  Terrible to shreds you say and he's like well I haven't worked
• 1:03:44
  with her in a really long time so I mean whatever and he goes
• 1:03:47
  into his closet and he's just like grabbing stuff for the next
• 1:03:51
  day getting ready blah blah blah turns around his windows open.
• 1:03:55
  He's like hmm that's weird. It's raining and I'm far too
• 1:03:58
  fussy and up tie it to leave my window open while it's raining.
• 1:04:01
  Hmm. There's wet Footprints leading
• 1:04:03
  into my dark closet. I should probably go investigate
• 1:04:07
  and he goes into his closet. Things there.
• 1:04:09
  So we grabbed a towel because he's got a basket of Hell's in
• 1:04:12
  his closet because he's a fussy kind of guy, he cleans up the
• 1:04:17
  footprints before closing this window, which bothered me
• 1:04:20
  because it was really, really heavy rain and like he would
• 1:04:23
  still have Ranger like rain coming in and getting his nice
• 1:04:26
  hardwood floors wet while he's trying to dry it up before he
• 1:04:30
  closes the window. But anyway, we needed that
• 1:04:32
  moment so that way when he reaches up to close this window,
• 1:04:35
  we get the shot of Gabriel behind him.
• 1:04:37
  We got a bunch of fake out shots here because we had in the
• 1:04:40
  closet scene we had that scene then we have them going and
• 1:04:43
  sitting down on his bed and we get the shot of like his feet
• 1:04:45
  from underneath the bed and you're like oh we're gonna get
• 1:04:48
  an Achilles tendon thing, but nope, instead we cut to Sydney
• 1:04:52
  art. Not Sydney.
• 1:04:53
  God damn it. We cut to Maddie in her bed and
• 1:04:57
  she rolls over and all of a sudden, she wakes up and she
• 1:05:00
  sees dr. Filled silts filled filled
• 1:05:05
  Fields feel Gold Fields, he's having a field day, dr.
• 1:05:09
  Fields has okay. So you remember English
• 1:05:15
  textbook. Dr. Fields was that the field
• 1:05:21
  day? She gets she gets the white
• 1:05:23
  shining under the red white. Yeah.
• 1:05:25
  So it's of the sign across the street.
• 1:05:27
  The silver cup. Yes, over cup.
• 1:05:28
  Yeah. And then she sees dr.
• 1:05:30
  Fields there. Yeah.
• 1:05:31
  And then she like she has the whole Inception thing.
• 1:05:33
  She's trapped to the bed just watched like we see gay.
• 1:05:37
  Go crawl over top of her which just like, oh my God, I love
• 1:05:41
  this shot so much. This is the poster shot.
• 1:05:43
  Yeah. And then we just watched Gabriel
• 1:05:47
  stabbed, dr. Fields at the same enthusiasm
• 1:05:49
  that he bludgeoned dies. It's so fucking intense, man.
• 1:05:52
  He's like shaking him in the face and once again looking
• 1:05:56
  super unnatural. You can see his feet are like
• 1:05:59
  backwards, its backwards. It just looks almost like a
• 1:06:03
  praying man. It's just like yeah.
• 1:06:04
  Over top of some, a just going to town on their face.
• 1:06:07
  Yeah, and so mad. He wakes up screaming and this
• 1:06:10
  is her Sydney comes in and Maddie tells her what happened
• 1:06:13
  and they decide they're going to go to the cops because maybe
• 1:06:16
  they can, you know what she saw his face sister, she saw his
• 1:06:19
  face this time it was a very gross looking face.
• 1:06:21
  It's all lumpy and red and deformed and upsetting.
• 1:06:28
  So yeah, they go to the police Sydney.
• 1:06:35
  Sydney suggest that You know, it's kind of like, you know,
• 1:06:38
  like using a psychic just, you know, you guys use psychic
• 1:06:41
  sometimes and Moss is just like no we don't.
• 1:06:44
  And she goes, I played a psychic on a cop procedural TV episode
• 1:06:50
  one time and they told me that it's based on reality and moths
• 1:06:53
  just like looks at Shaw. Like can you believe this guy
• 1:07:00
  and she convinces them to go check out the apartment?
• 1:07:03
  See that it's real. They go, there's like some nice
• 1:07:09
  things, yellow type music in the ceiling Cynthiana.
• 1:07:13
  Yeah, ghost goes. Yeah.
• 1:07:16
  And they find the body in the apartment so they get a sketch
• 1:07:21
  from Maddie and Moss is like cool.
• 1:07:25
  So we're looking for a Sloth from The Goonies and Maddie's
• 1:07:29
  like cool. I'm going to go to the bathroom
• 1:07:31
  and wet my face because you're a bitch.
• 1:07:34
  Well, she's in there, she gets a phone call.
• 1:07:37
  And it's Gabriel any calls or Emily and she was like that's I
• 1:07:40
  mean I think that's the name of your fake mom gave you.
• 1:07:45
  I'm gonna make them pay for making me go way.
• 1:07:47
  They told you. I was fake, but I'm not fake my
• 1:07:50
  room and she's like, who are you?
• 1:07:52
  He goes, you know who I am. She should have Gabriel.
• 1:07:57
  And they leave Sydney and Maddie leave and then Shaw asked Bosco
• 1:08:03
  he's finished. Aging up that picture yet and he
• 1:08:05
  goes well yeah, I left it on your desk.
• 1:08:07
  I assume that's why you called her in.
• 1:08:08
  That's the girl from the picture dun dun dun and it's so weird to
• 1:08:13
  see him accurately eicher up to look exactly like the actor you
• 1:08:17
  know like that doesn't happen. It's usually like very similar
• 1:08:21
  but it's like they took a picture like her face like a mug
• 1:08:24
  shot and I do that every time we listen to You case File is.
• 1:08:29
  I want to see what the people look like from the case.
• 1:08:32
  And yeah, look up the pictures and sometimes you get the police
• 1:08:35
  sketches and like, as not how that man looks, how did they
• 1:08:38
  ever find him? Police sketches, are fucking
• 1:08:41
  scary. Sometimes e, please sketches.
• 1:08:43
  Are they like the emphasize certain fig?
• 1:08:49
  Parts of the face? Like that way, whenever you're
• 1:08:52
  looking for somebody? I, oh, I like somebody has like
• 1:08:53
  a nose like that, you know, they make it like very Generated to
• 1:08:57
  make it like oh you're like those are very because of the
• 1:09:00
  high points like what makes them distinct?
• 1:09:02
  And I am sure. I am positive that they must
• 1:09:07
  teach the sketch artist the right way to ask people
• 1:09:10
  questions. But in my head what's happening
• 1:09:13
  is a bunch of dumb fucks like me.
• 1:09:15
  If I was called in to do a sketch, I be like know, his eyes
• 1:09:20
  were more like squinty and kind of overly, but a little bit
• 1:09:23
  round and then like, goes up at the side and there's like some
• 1:09:26
  wrinkly Things. Are you describing?
• 1:09:28
  Gabriel are right now. No, I'm just describing like a
• 1:09:31
  random person. Okay no but like there?
• 1:09:34
  No. See.
• 1:09:35
  They've got to be a little bit more shaded in here and then his
• 1:09:39
  nose has like it's not round but it's not it's not pointy.
• 1:09:44
  Like I imagined that I would be a terrible witness is what I'm
• 1:09:49
  saying and I feel like the sketch artist must know the
• 1:09:53
  right types of questions to ask to get the features somewhat
• 1:09:55
  accurate, do they? I don't know if they have you
• 1:09:58
  over their shoulder the entire time, they just asked what they
• 1:10:00
  look like and then they show you after the fact, I know.
• 1:10:03
  But what, what if it was wrong and then you'd have feel like no
• 1:10:07
  start over. Be like no, fuck you.
• 1:10:09
  This is a this is our guy and then they move on with in wrist
• 1:10:13
  the wrong man because you suck as a witness.
• 1:10:18
  So they Emily and Madison Decide to go and Sydney and Madison.
• 1:10:25
  I don't know why I said anyways, because it's her name, her real
• 1:10:29
  name, Cindy and Madison, they've decided to go to their mom
• 1:10:32
  sells. So try and get info on a
• 1:10:34
  potential brother for Madison. Yeah.
• 1:10:37
  And moms like, no, you don't have a brother but then Maddie
• 1:10:43
  is like, well, what about Gabriel then the Bongos and I
• 1:10:48
  got home videos and they watch Sydney.
• 1:10:52
  God damn it. You have me doing it now.
• 1:10:53
  Now watch Maddie talking to like an imaginary friend.
• 1:10:59
  Was that our ninth birthday party birthday that nobody came
• 1:11:02
  to except for Gabriel and it's real.
• 1:11:04
  He has to be there. Yeah Gabriel.
• 1:11:10
  You will go to your sister's birthday party and you will act
• 1:11:13
  like you are having a good time. The move has been really hard on
• 1:11:16
  her. So yeah.
• 1:11:20
  And it's just it's kind of Kind of creepy and their moms like
• 1:11:26
  you know you were getting like getting kind of weird about this
• 1:11:30
  whole Gabriel thing and you were randomly talk to him on your
• 1:11:35
  little toy phone and you would say that he's telling you to
• 1:11:37
  hurt the baby, which is Sydney and she was like, I like the
• 1:11:42
  mom. She was like, I do not know what
• 1:11:44
  you went through before we adopted you.
• 1:11:46
  I cannot imagine the kind of trauma because you were pressed
• 1:11:49
  every single ounce of it and we assumed Gabriel with some sort
• 1:11:51
  of Coping mechanism and we just hoped that we could love you
• 1:11:55
  enough to suppress it. Yeah, I mean because I'm in the
• 1:11:58
  Situation's, you don't really know what's going on so that's a
• 1:12:00
  reasonable take ya Shah Charles finds are just some of the tapes
• 1:12:06
  from the records and then he hears the name.
• 1:12:09
  Dr. Gregory and I was like, cool.
• 1:12:11
  I'm gonna check out this dr. Gregory fellow.
• 1:12:14
  But when he gets to his apartment, he finds his body in
• 1:12:17
  the bathroom and Maddie, is there sort of like she's the
• 1:12:22
  Frozen in place again. And she's like trying to tell
• 1:12:24
  Charles that Gabriel still there, but we see Gabriel like
• 1:12:27
  jump from the ceiling and attack shawl but not like as
• 1:12:31
  effectively as he seems to attack most people.
• 1:12:34
  Yeah, so he ends up being checked like Shah ends up
• 1:12:37
  chasing it was really intense chasing down a fire escape and
• 1:12:41
  to like an egress and then into a hole from inside of a basement
• 1:12:45
  into even deeper underground. And what looks like the
• 1:12:47
  underground's, the old Seattle tour type thing because we see a
• 1:12:52
  courage and Gabriel attacks him again, but still doesn't kill
• 1:12:56
  him. So must want Shaw to be around
• 1:13:00
  for something like, it feels like Gabriel could have killed
• 1:13:03
  other. He tried.
• 1:13:04
  I think, I think Sean's probably just the only competent person
• 1:13:08
  that he's attacked so far. Yeah, and I mean, okay, it's
• 1:13:11
  also worth noting because we saw Gabriel get shot out of the
• 1:13:14
  beginning of the movie. He Dodges every single bullet
• 1:13:17
  shot shoots at him here, too. So Shaw, ask Maddie to get
• 1:13:24
  hypnotized to try and unlock some of her childhood memories
• 1:13:27
  to, which Sydney said, I know it to which mosses not the same
• 1:13:31
  thing as a psychic. So, they're in Maddie's living
• 1:13:35
  room and the hypnotist is like, getting her to relax and unlock
• 1:13:41
  some memories. And I'm just going to say this
• 1:13:43
  here now. Hypnotism is, like, not in any
• 1:13:47
  way shape, or form scientifically validated people
• 1:13:51
  are remarkably. Susceptible and our memories are
• 1:13:56
  incredibly fallible. Every time you have a memory,
• 1:13:59
  you are actually having a memory of a memory.
• 1:14:01
  Yeah, every time you remember, like, remember something, it is
• 1:14:04
  adding some remember something something.
• 1:14:06
  Fuck. I'm fucking it up even more.
• 1:14:07
  Now I know or maybe you're making it even better.
• 1:14:10
  Yeah, yeah. I guess so.
• 1:14:13
  Yeah. Get rewriting it.
• 1:14:14
  They like be better but they've done some of that stuff was like
• 1:14:17
  witness testimony. Like it the way you ask
• 1:14:20
  questions can really influence. So what type of an answer you
• 1:14:23
  get? Because you can totally totally
• 1:14:25
  like convince somebody to give. We like you can suggest.
• 1:14:29
  Yeah, you can give us. Yeah, answer and they'll give
• 1:14:31
  it, they'll be like oh yeah. No, I definitely remember that.
• 1:14:33
  So just you know just something interesting to put out there,
• 1:14:38
  gotta put my degree to you somehow so Maddie kind of like
• 1:14:44
  has like a flashback moment, you know, where she's at her house
• 1:14:50
  shortly after being adopted her and I was pregnant with Sydney,
• 1:14:53
  Gabriel still there at the new home.
• 1:14:57
  Gabriel will do bad things and her parents will think it's
• 1:15:00
  Maddie and they don't believe her.
• 1:15:01
  When she says it's Gabriel which is like reasonable.
• 1:15:05
  Like yeah. So she gets a call on the phone
• 1:15:11
  and she's like, no I don't want to do it.
• 1:15:13
  I don't want to do it and she's like, oh, it's like a good
• 1:15:15
  surprise and then we see her going out to this cake place
• 1:15:23
  like a baby shower cake. And she's like, getting ready to
• 1:15:25
  cut a slice except like it inceptions away from like the
• 1:15:29
  kitchen table. And she's actually standing over
• 1:15:30
  her mom with the naif like above her pregnant belly.
• 1:15:33
  I like that. He's calling her on the kid
• 1:15:35
  phone. I feel like, that's, I mean,
• 1:15:37
  that's so like, how I'm gonna call it stupid.
• 1:15:41
  I actually think it's really cool.
• 1:15:42
  Actually, I really like it. Like that only its kind of
• 1:15:45
  stupid but I mean it's fun. Like I I think it's, it's kind
• 1:15:50
  of it's got a creep element to me at least, you know, like
• 1:15:53
  something about that. Type of toy being manipulated by
• 1:15:56
  something like this, and having somebody like Gabriel
• 1:16:00
  communicate their that kind of gives a little bit of creepiness
• 1:16:02
  to me. Yeah, well in present-day Maddie
• 1:16:06
  starts screaming, they bring her out of the memory and she says
• 1:16:10
  that she remembers everything Gabriel wanted her to hurt the
• 1:16:12
  baby because then she wouldn't need him anymore and she's like
• 1:16:16
  this. All just came flooding back to
• 1:16:18
  me. It's like this memory He was in
• 1:16:19
  the back of my neck stood up and then we get a shot of doctor or
• 1:16:27
  not. Dr. The person that was
• 1:16:28
  kidnapped From The Underground Tour.
• 1:16:31
  Who escapes from being tied up upstairs.
• 1:16:34
  Wait wait wait wait. Oh yeah.
• 1:16:36
  After Maddie says her back of the headline Moss, asks, if the
• 1:16:42
  Killer is imaginary and then we get this dramatic music sting
• 1:16:48
  and I was one of the Best moments of comedy in this entire
• 1:16:50
  movie, I don't remember that. Yeah, I wrote it down.
• 1:16:55
  Okay, amazing. Then we cut to the tour.
• 1:16:58
  Guide upstairs, a she is cutting the ropes, she managed to get
• 1:17:01
  through because she's in an attic.
• 1:17:03
  And this attic is not like livable space.
• 1:17:06
  It is not counting towards the square footage of their home.
• 1:17:09
  She falls through and then we see that haddock was actually
• 1:17:12
  Maddie's attic because she falls down into their living room pom,
• 1:17:16
  pom pom. How does this not kill her?
• 1:17:19
  That's such a hard fall and she falls through the table to.
• 1:17:22
  Yeah. I mean the coffee table.
• 1:17:22
  Broke her fall. Sure that's how it works.
• 1:17:26
  Yeah, I mean to be fair she is in a coma.
• 1:17:30
  Oh yeah. Like that's that's a big fall
• 1:17:33
  man. We get more sirens and pixies.
• 1:17:37
  Sydney is trying to plead Maddie's case and mosses know.
• 1:17:41
  And if you keep bothering us, I mean, I have you arrested for
• 1:17:46
  interfering with the crime scene or whatever.
• 1:17:49
  And the CSI girl finds the trophy knife dagger thing in the
• 1:17:53
  Attic, we come to an interrogation in Maddie is just
• 1:17:57
  answering all of Shaw and mosses questions and I just wrote in
• 1:18:01
  all calves, lawyer up. Girl, she's yelling about
• 1:18:06
  Gabriel saying that is Gabriel. He's doing all this, he's being
• 1:18:10
  bad and it's like very much mirror.
• 1:18:11
  She's like flashbacks, she's taking like a Sinister turn
• 1:18:14
  almost she's very serious. She's not the same person
• 1:18:17
  anymore. She's I don't want to say
• 1:18:20
  uncooperative, she's just not sugarcoating anything anymore.
• 1:18:24
  And she has that moment like that intense outbursts that
• 1:18:26
  blows out all the whites and then all of a sudden, the phone
• 1:18:29
  starts ringing and then she's like, it's for you.
• 1:18:31
  And then they answering his Gabriel talking through the
• 1:18:33
  phone, which is so fucking cool. I love this scene.
• 1:18:36
  Yeah. And then he says he wants to
• 1:18:37
  things back. Meaning, his trench coat, and
• 1:18:40
  his gloves and his dagger, and then she was like, who are you?
• 1:18:43
  And Maddie said, all right, he said, go ahead and ask Maddie
• 1:18:46
  what he which she used to call me and she goes The devil
• 1:18:51
  dramatic music sting Sid goes to her mom's house because she's
• 1:18:56
  going to play detective to try. And exonerate her sister, her
• 1:18:59
  mom gets the certificate of adoption and says this is why we
• 1:19:03
  never throw anything out and you know there are a lot of things I
• 1:19:07
  even say this is why we didn't ever throw this out, but I think
• 1:19:10
  a certificate of adoption is one of those things that you don't
• 1:19:13
  just say, hey, yeah. You know, I thought about
• 1:19:15
  throwing it out but thought it might be good to keep it.
• 1:19:17
  No, it's one of those things you keep it.
• 1:19:19
  You keep it? Yeah.
• 1:19:21
  Maybe you hide it in a secret compartment in a drawer and your
• 1:19:26
  hunting cabin because only the like Royal Blood can Ascend to
• 1:19:32
  the reign of King in. I'll do it I'll do Vania Chris
• 1:19:40
  is Prince. Yeah but yeah so she goes to
• 1:19:48
  Simeon, Research Hospital. No, it's abandoned now and it's
• 1:19:51
  on a Cliffside and it's nighttime and it's creepy.
• 1:19:54
  And she breaks in and there's like graffiti and all of this
• 1:19:57
  stuff and she goes to the records storage and the basement
• 1:20:00
  and find these records and she gets creeped out and she just
• 1:20:03
  leaves. Nothing happens to her.
• 1:20:05
  It's a nice little moment. Subverts your expectations.
• 1:20:08
  You think something's gonna happen to her while she's
• 1:20:09
  getting the records or she doesn't?
• 1:20:11
  And not only does she get Emily maze records?
• 1:20:13
  She gets Serena maze records to because she did uses that must
• 1:20:17
  be Maddie's birth mom gotta be. Yeah so Maddie gets locked up
• 1:20:25
  with about a dozen or so other women who size her up and we're
• 1:20:30
  going to get I'm not gonna like say it every time we cut to her
• 1:20:33
  but we're gonna get lots of like interstitial shots between the
• 1:20:37
  next little bit of action of like these women harassing her.
• 1:20:41
  So it's just going to be kind of building up the tension as we go
• 1:20:43
  on. Yeah, Sid takes the Record.
• 1:20:48
  She Back to her mom's house and they watch these videos together
• 1:20:54
  and Serena met. She was raped and impregnated at
• 1:21:01
  15 years old. Her mom was religious, and not
• 1:21:05
  fucking helpful said that her child was like an Abomination
• 1:21:11
  Serena's. Like, I can't take care of them
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  by. I just want them to, you know,
• 1:21:15
  have some chance. I don't know what to fucking do
• 1:21:18
  and Maddie and City's mom is fucking pissed, because she was
• 1:21:23
  told that Maddie's mom died in childbirth but really, what does
• 1:21:26
  it matter? You know, like part of the
• 1:21:30
  reason that you asked about stuff like this in adoption is
• 1:21:32
  for, like, if there's any medical history issues or like
• 1:21:36
  whatever kind of information that you can get, even if it's a
• 1:21:39
  closed adoption like having some of that history can be helpful
• 1:21:42
  like for future issues but yeah so there's a video of Emily.
• 1:21:53
  As a small child Maddie as a small child, when she was still
• 1:21:56
  called Emily. And they said that Gabriel's
• 1:21:58
  been sedated. So she's probably going to be
• 1:22:00
  kind of sleepy, but we wanted to talk to you without him
• 1:22:02
  listening in and you're kind of like some here gone.
• 1:22:04
  Hmm, that's a little weird. I don't know what exactly that
• 1:22:08
  means and we hear dr. Weaver asking you know, why
• 1:22:11
  she's been picking on kids twice your size and she's like well
• 1:22:14
  Gabriel wants me to beat them up and I like yeah, but they could
• 1:22:17
  easily kick your scrawny ass kid and she's like well Gabriel
• 1:22:20
  makes me strong, you know? And they've got like all These
• 1:22:23
  weird little comments and then we cut to where they're going to
• 1:22:26
  go, talk to Gabriel, and they just take the camera and move
• 1:22:30
  around behind her and we see a little yeah, so cool out of her
• 1:22:35
  head. And that's so creepy.
• 1:22:37
  That's all I am atronics. That's all practical.
• 1:22:40
  It's a really nice. They like actually manipulate
• 1:22:42
  the face and arm movements and stuff like that.
• 1:22:44
  I saw how they were making in sculpting.
• 1:22:45
  It's really cool. I can't not think about the
• 1:22:48
  scene with Dwight though. He's like so I absorbed my
• 1:22:52
  brother and Now I have this strength of a grown man and a
• 1:22:55
  little baby, whenever she's like, it makes me.
• 1:22:58
  Yeah. Whenever she's a good make me
• 1:22:59
  makes me stronger. But yeah, and we find out that
• 1:23:05
  Gabriel can access like they share a brain and Gabriel can
• 1:23:09
  access specifically the part that like controls her visual
• 1:23:15
  stimuli and so it seems like he can make her see things that
• 1:23:22
  aren't actually real. So that's like how she was
• 1:23:25
  tricked into almost cutting baby, Sydney.
• 1:23:28
  Yeah. That's how she's seeing all of
• 1:23:30
  these murders happen while she's at home.
• 1:23:33
  Yeah. So she's actually at the murder
• 1:23:36
  scenes but she thinks she's at home.
• 1:23:38
  Yeah, it's like point it plays over.
• 1:23:40
  Like the events that have happened in the movie.
• 1:23:42
  So you're seeing her like brush her teeth while.
• 1:23:43
  She's like, she thinks she's brushing her teeth while in
• 1:23:46
  reality. She's like over at these peoples
• 1:23:48
  places, killing them. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:52
  So they said, the only way that they could save Maddie has to
• 1:23:56
  cut, Gabriel out, but they can't completely cut all of them out
• 1:24:00
  without killing her also. So they're going to share like
• 1:24:03
  the tiniest little bit of brain and they're just gonna, I did
• 1:24:08
  all these scenes are the scenes that you see in the beginning,
• 1:24:11
  by the way. So, yeah.
• 1:24:12
  But it's actually a really fucking like, they go into
• 1:24:16
  detail with this. It looks incredible.
• 1:24:18
  They cut it up and actually, shove it into her head, Jacob
• 1:24:22
  finger, and just yeah, but it looks really good, like I'm
• 1:24:28
  impressed with it. Yeah.
• 1:24:30
  And this is kind of where shit starts to hit the fan. and
• 1:24:33
  because these women start fucking beating up Maddie in her
• 1:24:38
  cell and then she stands up and then all of a sudden, And the
• 1:24:44
  lights are flickering and all the women are like oh shit.
• 1:24:45
  She's having a seizure, maybe we shouldn't have fucking kicked
• 1:24:49
  her because they were kicking the shit out of her.
• 1:24:52
  Yeah. And then like all of a sudden,
• 1:24:56
  Her like arms, like contort weird out of place.
• 1:25:01
  And then we see her hair in the back.
• 1:25:05
  You know, where she's been bleeding for the past month.
• 1:25:08
  Her skull just kind of Pops open.
• 1:25:11
  Cracks open like so many watermelons and we see Gabriel's
• 1:25:19
  face, yeah, Gallagher. I was going to make a Gallagher
• 1:25:25
  joke, but then I could not remember.
• 1:25:26
  Name Gallagher, if it were Gallagher her head would be
• 1:25:28
  exploding. Well, we're about to get some
• 1:25:31
  exploding. Okay?
• 1:25:32
  So we, this is where we are about to get the most intense.
• 1:25:35
  20 minutes I've seen on screen in the past year and we are not
• 1:25:39
  going to be able to detail every little bit, but I did make a
• 1:25:41
  couple of notes from this cell. So we get torn off ear, break an
• 1:25:50
  arm punch through stomach. Stop a skull break a neck.
• 1:25:56
  Gouging. I guard comes up and Gabriel
• 1:26:01
  manages to attack him and get the keys to get out.
• 1:26:06
  Sydney is trying to call Shaw to tell them the history and says
• 1:26:09
  they gave I got woken up after Derek smashed her head into the
• 1:26:12
  wall. So for the 10th time, this
• 1:26:15
  podcast, fuck fucking Derek. Yeah, so he caused a lot of
• 1:26:19
  deaths. Also, he's the reason I don't
• 1:26:22
  they say here but he's three. Okay.
• 1:26:26
  So Sean Moss, pull back into the station, they hear gunfire on
• 1:26:30
  their leg. Oh God.
• 1:26:32
  Gabriel's in the evidence Locker, where the CSI girl has
• 1:26:35
  just deposited a bunch of stuff. She hides, she manages to avoid
• 1:26:39
  his wrath. All he wants is his trench coat
• 1:26:41
  and gloves and lacquer. Yeah, moss and Shaw find so many
• 1:26:48
  dead fucking cops. And the locker room, they get to
• 1:26:51
  the bullpen. There's just like, this whole,
• 1:26:53
  like intense sequence. This is where, like, we're not
• 1:26:56
  going to be Able to I will I want to talk about what a bit
• 1:26:59
  like one thing about this and I say what it reminds me.
• 1:27:01
  I'm first sure. It reminds me of the scene in
• 1:27:05
  the church wall. Freebirds playing in Kingsman.
• 1:27:09
  Yeah that's an intense scene. They're very similar.
• 1:27:12
  So beautifully choreographed. Yeah is like unbroken action.
• 1:27:17
  Yeah. And I don't want to say this is
• 1:27:19
  all like one shot because it does get split up a little bit
• 1:27:21
  but like water is shot in one. Take the way that they did this,
• 1:27:26
  they have like a camera that they, it's a computer.
• 1:27:30
  So they pre-programmed the movements, so It's moving around
• 1:27:33
  the scene just like getting all these angles and shots all in
• 1:27:36
  like one seamless steak. And they had to take like the
• 1:27:39
  stunt workers and choreograph, the fight around the camera
• 1:27:43
  movements that way they can get everything just right.
• 1:27:46
  Oh, the fighter Gabriel here. This is actually somebody in the
• 1:27:49
  green suits. This isn't actually one of the
• 1:27:51
  contortionist actually acting like that's a person acting
• 1:27:54
  normal but it's an actual person like doing these Gabriel
• 1:27:58
  movements. It's just they put the skin over
• 1:28:01
  him later in post production. Yeah, it's a really cool scene.
• 1:28:05
  What a creepy sentence. What?
• 1:28:07
  They put the skin over him later.
• 1:28:09
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So Moss is like, call the
• 1:28:16
  fucking National Guard. Know you have because she has.
• 1:28:20
  She's like, I don't know, she's a picks up the phone and it's
• 1:28:22
  just like, why am I calling the cops later?
• 1:28:26
  Okay? Oh yeah, you're right.
• 1:28:27
  You're right, Maddie. We cut to her.
• 1:28:30
  She still thinks she's in her cell but then also, So she's
• 1:28:33
  like seeing did costs around her.
• 1:28:34
  She's like, wait, what? Moss?
• 1:28:38
  And Shaw almost get out like moss has been hit with a chair
• 1:28:42
  Shaw's. Been hit with a chair in Moss,
• 1:28:43
  has been sliced across her chair.
• 1:28:45
  Almost, it felt almost like a fuck you, because he was on his
• 1:28:49
  way out and then all of a sudden, yes, I picks up a chair
• 1:28:51
  tosses across the hall and hits them.
• 1:28:53
  Yeah, and then Gabriel jump through a window and this is
• 1:28:58
  where the Cs guy grow comes out, and she's like, oh God, you're
• 1:29:01
  bleeding and she pulls out herself.
• 1:29:02
  She calls 911. She was like, why am I calling
• 1:29:04
  the police? So I was like, call the
• 1:29:06
  paramedics. Shaw's gonna go check on Serena,
• 1:29:11
  because he is feared out. That's where Gabriel's going and
• 1:29:16
  Moss is going to wait for the paramedics, the CSI, girl.
• 1:29:19
  That's the end of them for this movie.
• 1:29:21
  So, but yeah, that's also, like, probably the second funniest
• 1:29:25
  line in the movie. That's why am I calling the cops
• 1:29:29
  Sydney tries to get into Serena's room because She's
• 1:29:32
  figured out all of this to if you know she wants to stop
• 1:29:37
  trying to act / be a princess. She she might be able to get one
• 1:29:41
  of those detective. Vacancies, it's about to open up
• 1:29:44
  the Seattle Police Station. She's talking to this Garden.
• 1:29:50
  He's like you cannot get through.
• 1:29:52
  Unless detective, Shaw is physically with you.
• 1:29:54
  I don't care what he says on the phone, and he starts grabbing
• 1:29:57
  his chest and she's like, oh God, are you having a heart
• 1:29:59
  attack? Let me go grab a doctor.
• 1:30:00
  He goes, it's my pacemaker and then his Just fucking explode.
• 1:30:04
  Yeah which is Nightmare fodder like the thought like a
• 1:30:08
  pacemaker supposed to keep you alive and like having Machinery
• 1:30:11
  inside of you is scary enough and then I'm sure anybody with a
• 1:30:14
  pacemaker. Anybody who knows anybody with a
• 1:30:16
  pacemaker would see the scene and be like, nope didn't need
• 1:30:18
  the thought of that happening in my head.
• 1:30:20
  Yeah but yeah. So Sydney gets in there
• 1:30:25
  Gabriel's there obviously so City tries to run in and help
• 1:30:28
  Maddie's in their shawls in there.
• 1:30:30
  Everybody's here. Serena tries to ask a real for
• 1:30:35
  forgiveness as I shouldn't have given you up like you were my
• 1:30:38
  son no matter what gave y'all throws, the knife at Shaw so he
• 1:30:43
  winds up back out in the hall shot, it's just He's just, he's
• 1:30:48
  the fucking curling of this movie, like, keeps showing up
• 1:30:52
  keeps getting his ass kicked - he doesn't die.
• 1:30:54
  Yeah. You hold his own in every
• 1:30:55
  encounter, find me, he's the Yamcha thats.
• 1:31:00
  No, no. Okay, Sydney is like, you know,
• 1:31:08
  trying to help or whatever. And then Gabriel throws a
• 1:31:11
  medical bed on her. She's been up against the wall
• 1:31:13
  and she's like, trying to plead for Maddie to come through.
• 1:31:17
  Ooh, and then she's as Baddie. Gabriel is the reason that you
• 1:31:20
  had all those miscarriages, he was feeding off the fetus, has
• 1:31:23
  to give himself strength and that's kind of what starts
• 1:31:26
  pulling Maddie out from. Like the like mind prison that
• 1:31:29
  she's in except then Gabriel shoot Sydney in the head.
• 1:31:35
  She's just comes out of nowhere. Yeah.
• 1:31:37
  Like it's it's gut-wrenching and you're like oh, fuck.
• 1:31:41
  And then Serena's like Gabriel. No, so sorry, I'm so sorry, I
• 1:31:44
  think Gabriel just likes mothers are But then things go dark.
• 1:31:50
  It's an all dark room Maddie comes up.
• 1:31:53
  Face is Gabriel. And she's like, guess what bitch
• 1:31:57
  I can play Mind Games to and she locks him up in a Cell inside
• 1:32:01
  the brain and then we find out that Sydney was never actually
• 1:32:03
  shot and Serena was never actually smothered.
• 1:32:06
  Yeah, it's holding the shy like Gabriel was holding the gun to
• 1:32:09
  her head, just still the entire time.
• 1:32:11
  So everybody just looking like what the fuck has happened?
• 1:32:13
  It would be a really scary situation.
• 1:32:16
  Guys that have this private conversation in front of other
• 1:32:18
  people. Yeah.
• 1:32:19
  And then she comes back to normal.
• 1:32:20
  And then she's like, she lives over off the bed.
• 1:32:24
  She's like, well, I've it's been me doing this stuff the entire
• 1:32:26
  time so I obviously have the string.
• 1:32:28
  So she's unlock superpowers now and then her skull just go.
• 1:32:33
  Yep. That's 100% medically accurate,
• 1:32:38
  that's how our brains work. If you ever have a traumatic
• 1:32:40
  brain injury, your skull will just itself back together.
• 1:32:43
  It's fine. Then they have a sister hug.
• 1:32:48
  Yeah. And that's the end of the movie.
• 1:32:50
  Yeah it is yeah it just there's no mid or post-credit scenes.
• 1:32:54
  It just ends with Maddie learning the power of
• 1:32:56
  Sisterhood. That's fine.
• 1:32:57
  It doesn't need any more than that.
• 1:32:59
  It's perfectly fine to cut it right there.
• 1:33:01
  Yes. That's the end of the ride,
• 1:33:03
  folks. All right.
• 1:33:04
  I'm keeping an eye and a half fucking good movie again.
• 1:33:07
  Yeah, I'm I love it. I understand how this can be
• 1:33:10
  divisive to people and I'm excited to talk about some of
• 1:33:13
  these reviews, but I have so much love for Or less movie?
• 1:33:17
  Yeah. I mean I'm the same.
• 1:33:19
  I'm keeping it nine and a half. It's it's so fucking Bonkers.
• 1:33:22
  I mean I it's an it's an 80s. I can't be be movie with a
• 1:33:29
  competent director and a budget. And I mean through and through
• 1:33:34
  that's what that is. I love this and it's it's just
• 1:33:37
  fun. It's just such a fun fucking
• 1:33:39
  movie. What is one thing that would
• 1:33:42
  have to change to bump it up to a perfect 10 for you?
• 1:33:45
  One thing Could change. I will change the soundtrack.
• 1:33:50
  I don't really care for the soundtrack in this thing.
• 1:33:53
  Soundtracks very important with horror movies and the Pixies.
• 1:33:57
  Remix was a strange decision for me.
• 1:34:01
  Okay. I like the Pixies sample, I
• 1:34:04
  enjoy it. I like I said, I just wish that
• 1:34:06
  the Cynthia parts. We got.
• 1:34:07
  I want a little a little more Goblin in the sound.
• 1:34:10
  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, like Funk it up man.
• 1:34:13
  Yeah, get some water in there. Okay.
• 1:34:17
  Talia during this movie, she had a good time.
• 1:34:21
  So she started off. She was playing with her toys.
• 1:34:23
  She got a giant stuffed dog, the size of her, we named it.
• 1:34:27
  Mugsy. Her name is Gabriel.
• 1:34:31
  We do not need, we don't need to bring that energy into our
• 1:34:35
  house, okay? Okay.
• 1:34:37
  But she was like playing with him and she gets sleepy.
• 1:34:40
  She goes to the bed for a minute, but at an hour and 21
• 1:34:42
  minutes, she decided she needed to go out.
• 1:34:44
  And then for the rest of the maybe she was Playing and she
• 1:34:46
  was watching that and she was into the I wonder as Italian.
• 1:34:50
  The scenes coming up and she's like all right.
• 1:34:52
  Watch and she actually stood at the TV and watched it.
• 1:34:54
  Yeah. So press I think talking.
• 1:34:56
  Is it a 9? I think Talia.
• 1:34:57
  I agree. She enjoyed it and Zoe did
• 1:35:00
  watch. So we watched it.
• 1:35:01
  Yeah. She was very into it come.
• 1:35:05
  All right. So next up we got the internet
• 1:35:08
  reviews, internet's reviews. Alright, so for this one, I
• 1:35:14
  wanted to find a Critic. Okay, again, that makes sense
• 1:35:18
  because we've got a lot of listener reviews that we're
• 1:35:20
  going to be. Yeah.
• 1:35:20
  Exactly. And those are mixed to but yeah,
• 1:35:23
  I wanted to get somebody that did not have a good time with
• 1:35:27
  this movie. Yeah.
• 1:35:28
  So let's person rated it's hold on one second.
• 1:35:36
  I got it here somewhere. I'm sorry.
• 1:35:44
  So while Travis is looking for that, I'm going to tell you all
• 1:35:47
  a story and that's a story of fucking covid and how I was
• 1:35:50
  supposed to go see Pixies back in September, October.
• 1:35:54
  I don't know, it doesn't matter because everything's horrible
• 1:35:56
  and the show got canceled. Yeah, that sucked.
• 1:36:00
  It does. I mean, you know, I don't know
• 1:36:04
  if I would, I would watch the pictures live but no, no, that's
• 1:36:07
  really weren't gonna know. I wasn't.
• 1:36:09
  So this was a, it was a review from the associated.
• 1:36:13
  Impress by 1 c bar, she gave it a 25 out of 100.
• 1:36:17
  Wow. So just basically to sum up her
• 1:36:22
  thoughts on this. She says, Molina at least has
• 1:36:24
  originality going for it. It's also a thanklessly,
• 1:36:27
  humorless and offensively sadistic film that fails to
• 1:36:30
  capture any sort of authentic emotion or make any meaningful
• 1:36:33
  statements about trauma. The film, is all gory spectacle
• 1:36:37
  for the sake of gory spectacle and it fills beneath both 1 and
• 1:36:40
  Warner Bros who have made some very good films together.
• 1:36:44
  I feel like this whole thing went.
• 1:36:47
  I I don't understand. I just had to have like gone
• 1:36:51
  over their head. First of all, there was humor.
• 1:36:53
  Yeah. So I'm saying like there's
• 1:36:54
  intentional humor in this, it's so obvious.
• 1:36:57
  Second of all, She sang Gore is beneath James 11 of the I know
• 1:37:08
  what the fuck is that look? I'm all for people having their
• 1:37:11
  own thoughts and opinions like this movie.
• 1:37:14
  That's fine. I just feel like these are kind
• 1:37:16
  of weird criticisms like it really is and I don't how it is
• 1:37:21
  sadistic. It is mean-spirited at times but
• 1:37:24
  like is it offensive though? I don't really feel like it's a
• 1:37:27
  defensive. Yeah.
• 1:37:28
  I feel like it, like it. I mean, maybe the people who
• 1:37:31
  like actually have history with teratomas, you know, like that
• 1:37:35
  could be something. But I don't really think that
• 1:37:38
  it's like, insensitive. Yeah, but I'm not really one to
• 1:37:41
  speak on that. I don't know what their history
• 1:37:45
  is. It just seems kind of weird you
• 1:37:48
  know like it's just I don't know.
• 1:37:50
  It's just kind of campy. Yeah it's definitely.
• 1:37:54
  And I think this is one of those examples that we were talking
• 1:37:56
  about recently where it's campy, but it's campy playing it
• 1:38:00
  straight with ya. I have lends itself better to
• 1:38:02
  the camp in this scenario. Exactly.
• 1:38:04
  Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:38:06
  Like, like I said, if you cannot like something, just like, give
• 1:38:11
  me a criticism I can fall back on.
• 1:38:13
  Yeah, like well don't just give false Information about because
• 1:38:18
  I mean, if you're telling me that one, like, why the fuck am
• 1:38:20
  I calling the police? How is that not humor?
• 1:38:24
  You know, that's intentional humor.
• 1:38:25
  You, they probably checked out at that point and I feel like,
• 1:38:28
  are you telling me the Killer is imaginary dramatic music?
• 1:38:31
  Sting like that camp played 100% straight and I'm sorry.
• 1:38:37
  That's I love that moment so much.
• 1:38:39
  It's hilarious Moss is like she is the straight man in this
• 1:38:43
  movie in a way that just absolutely fucking work.
• 1:38:46
  Exile of her character and I feel like she gets ignored for a
• 1:38:50
  lot of the characters that have them were obvious.
• 1:38:52
  Comedic lines. Yeah, I agree.
• 1:38:55
  It's no, no Sam. That's how we feel about that.
• 1:38:58
  So let's see how you guys feel about that.
• 1:39:01
  I try not to peek too much the reviews if it's Travis's pick of
• 1:39:07
  the week so I can be surprised by some of them but I like we
• 1:39:10
  share the account. So obviously I do see some of
• 1:39:12
  them and I do think that you all have some more Well, rounded
• 1:39:17
  criticism. Yeah, we have a total of ten
• 1:39:20
  reviews for this one from everybody.
• 1:39:21
  So thanks everybody for pitching in your thoughts.
• 1:39:24
  We always appreciate it. I'm going to rapid-fire some of
• 1:39:26
  these yeah. Rapid-fire rapid-fire, the good
• 1:39:29
  ones. We don't necessarily need to
• 1:39:30
  stare also short. It's okay.
• 1:39:32
  I can get through it. Okay.
• 1:39:34
  All right. Mona Clarke 123 says, I liked it
• 1:39:37
  was different. Yes, fun, good.
• 1:39:39
  I hope you suffer podcast as overly bad movie.
• 1:39:41
  That had one good scene / twist, okay.
• 1:39:44
  Probably referring to The police scene.
• 1:39:47
  Yeah, I have to imagine it's the policing and I mean it is overly
• 1:39:51
  dramatic. I think that's part of the
• 1:39:53
  thing. But if that's not what like
• 1:39:54
  that's part of its its thing is to be overly dramatic.
• 1:39:58
  But if that's not what you want, which I can see like with a
• 1:40:02
  James Bond film where dramatic is part of it.
• 1:40:06
  But overly dramatic isn't. Yeah.
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  Like I can see how that could be a turn-off.
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  Yeah, I can see that soon. Creepy girly, says awesome.
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  Yes definitely awesome. Michael.
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  Howard who gave us the review on Apple podcast earlier.
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  He says I was sold on it until the twist then I've felt it
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  would just got weird in a believable 6 out of 10.
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  Yeah it definitely is not set in reality but it's not necessarily
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  super super natural either. It's somewhere in between.
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  Yeah, gak videoing says, wasn't for me, turn too much into an
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  over-the-top action movie, which I feel like that happened more
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  at the end. It did.
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  It was very, very much, huh? We're for like the third for 3/4
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  of the movie. Yeah.
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  Really. That whole sequence?
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  I+ last night, it's like, only like maybe the last 20 minutes
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  of the movie, it gets like that. But I mean, that is a decent
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  amount of the runtime. So if that's not what you're
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  going in for, I could see how that could, ya know.
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  I mean it definitely takes a turn into that there.
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  Yeah, I mean, 20 minutes is a long time for an action
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  sequence, and I'm surprised that I love that scene as much as I
• 1:41:09
  do, because I am notorious for not loving action scenes.
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  I think it's just very well directed that it works.
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  I agree nightmare or Frightmare Collective.
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  Podcasts. Just says 5 Stars.
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  Cool. Out of how many Frightmare.
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  How does fives? I'm gonna assume 5iu of this
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  movie. I'm telling you, you will love
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  this movie. Stoney horse is such a fun hot
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  mess, you can't look too deeply into it though.
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  Yes. Yeah, that's what we're saying.
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  Yeah. You just it's a surface level
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  movie. Yeah, have fun with it in
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  Feldman, says, loved it. And movies like this.
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  A good example, is The Dark Half.
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  Never heard of them. My mother Chuckles.
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  Yeah. Mean theme horses.
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  While movie hell of a ride, really enjoyed how crazy was
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  cool and Robert its own. Hey, friend of the Pod.
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  Thumbs down emoji. So came in we go, that's fine.
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  Yeah, it's definitely not for everybody, so yeah, that's it,
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  everybody's reviews. Thanks everybody again, for
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  sending interviews, please do that.
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  We love having everybody's thought spread on the show.
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  Like we said, I mean clearly there's a good it's a very
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  divisive movie. I feel like 50% elected 50%,
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  didn't there? It's fair not to like it if you
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  can articulate what you like it without lion.
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  Yeah. Exactly.
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  Yeah. Associated Press.
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  Exactly. Yeah.
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  Everybody else there I actually able to determine thoughts about
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  that and I agree with everything that they say it's all very much
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  like I can agree with those. All right, so who did you relate
• 1:42:44
  to? I related to?
• 1:42:50
  Man. I don't know, I'm gonna relate
• 1:42:54
  to Maddie purely for the fucked up dreams.
• 1:42:59
  I I've had some nightmares that like that fucked me up.
• 1:43:05
  Not like recently, but that's some scary instances.
• 1:43:10
  I don't think I'm like, visualizing any kills happen or
• 1:43:13
  anything but like sometimes I wake up in the middle of the
• 1:43:16
  night, I'm scared man. Like and I like crawl up really
• 1:43:20
  close to you within sometimes. Tell you won't let me get.
• 1:43:23
  See, so I'm like, I don't know. Like this is creepy.
• 1:43:27
  I have to like just get all bundled up by myself.
• 1:43:29
  You know, that's kind of, I'm the poster on this movie where
• 1:43:32
  she's like, looking freaked out. Like, that's me.
• 1:43:35
  I'm freaked, dude, that's it. Okay.
• 1:43:37
  Who's you really to I related to Sydney?
• 1:43:41
  Because I want to be a princess family Planet, okay?
• 1:43:45
  I can see like a dream sequel, man.
• 1:43:53
  Okay, I'm gonna start off by saying like I this is one that I
• 1:43:57
  don't want a sequel to and I know that's really nice.
• 1:44:00
  A nice single story. I think it's okay to franchise
• 1:44:04
  things. I feel like this is something
• 1:44:05
  that can just exist on its own, but if we're going to go in that
• 1:44:09
  maybe like explore some other cases that Simeon, Research
• 1:44:12
  Hospital, maybe, go that way. I were like get a buddy, cop
• 1:44:16
  movie. No, with Shaw and Moss.
• 1:44:18
  No. Listen man, if you're doing a
• 1:44:22
  sequel to this, you're going the can't be atsb, horror movie
• 1:44:26
  sequel path. You're taking Gabriel and you're
• 1:44:28
  just fleeting way more into the bizarre shit of this, okay?
• 1:44:33
  Okay. I get this movie, like, tried to
• 1:44:34
  trick you, and I think it's something serious and it wasn't
• 1:44:37
  next one. You can still have those aspects
• 1:44:39
  to it, but like we need even more into the craziness.
• 1:44:43
  So instead of getting out so instead of like Gabriel trying
• 1:44:48
  like Gabriel being a The real world and trying to trick Maddie
• 1:44:51
  into thinking. She's you know in her version of
• 1:44:54
  the real world like he's still trapped but like he starts
• 1:44:57
  pulling people into his like World.
• 1:45:00
  Maybe I wanted Like A Nightmare on Elm Street times.
• 1:45:03
  I want him to like fully escaped from her head and you know kind
• 1:45:07
  of like in fact like a corpse and half his own full body by
• 1:45:13
  himself, you know? It's kind of like taming the
• 1:45:19
  T-Rex when they go to the morning and they're trying to
• 1:45:21
  find the perfect body for the T-Rex.
• 1:45:24
  Yes. Yeah, let's put Gabriel in a
• 1:45:27
  T-Rex, okay sure. Yeah.
• 1:45:29
  Okay. All right.
• 1:45:34
  Next week, we're in February, folks, if you haven't seen our
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  schedule, check out our social medias, I'm not going to plug
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  them again because I did it at the top of the episode, but you
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  can see our schedule. If it just let you all know
• 1:45:46
  we're covering. Being a who into the dark movie.
• 1:45:50
  So, the only place you can watch it is on Hulu.
• 1:45:52
  If you don't have Hulu, we will forgive you, if you just want to
• 1:45:55
  listen to that episode, without watching the movie.
• 1:45:58
  But it is the Valentine's Day special, My Valentine.
• 1:46:04
  I love it. Travis hates it.
• 1:46:06
  Yeah, I bought a blue wig. And some heart-shaped
• 1:46:09
  sunglasses, hates a strong word. I don't know if I hate it but I
• 1:46:12
  don't think it's a good movie per se but and I make him listen
• 1:46:17
  to the soundtrack constantly. Yeah.
• 1:46:21
  All right? Yeah, whatever.
• 1:46:24
  All right, but I think that's it for this week.
• 1:46:26
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• 1:46:35
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