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High-Brow Olympian guns down star female Equestrienne...Do Bitter 911 calls reveal motive? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the backyard. A Washington
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  Speaker 1: Township police officer screams over the radio after responding to
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  Speaker 1: a call at Hawthorne Farm, an equestrian property and home
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  Speaker 1: in Long Valley, New Jersey. The wounded victim, thirty eight
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  Speaker 1: year old Lauren Canoract, bleeding and nearly unconscious. The alleged
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  Speaker 1: shooter property and Canaracts landlord. A criminal complaint states Canoract
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  Speaker 1: and Barrisone had an ongoing landlord tenant dispute leading up
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  Speaker 1: to the shooting. Quote Michael Barrisone shot me. He shot
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  Speaker 1: me twice, she told police. When they arrived at the scene,
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  Speaker 1: they discovered Canaract's fiance and Barrisone on the ground wrestling
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  Speaker 1: for the guns. According to the complaint, when police took
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  Speaker 1: Barrisone into custody at the scene, he reportedly stated multiple times,
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  Speaker 1: I had a good life. You know, it's very rare.
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  Speaker 1: You hear of fatal shootings amongst Olympians now every once
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  Speaker 1: in a while, you hear about doping or drugging, and
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  Speaker 1: it tanks the entire the entire arena. But when you
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  Speaker 1: hear of cold blooded shootouts between equestrians and well respected Olympians.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, see Grace, this is crime stories. You were
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  Speaker 1: just hearing our friend at CBS two. That was Valerie Castro,
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  Speaker 1: an equestrian at the top of the game, shot by
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  Speaker 1: an Olympian. Joining you right now at All Star panel.
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  Speaker 1: First with me Stephen Corby, expert in safe sport, Dianna Corby,
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  Speaker 1: dressage trainer, expert, doctor Bethany Marshall's Psycholis out of La
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  Speaker 1: John Cardio, former NYPD, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
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  Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, judge and
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  Speaker 1: trial lawyer Ashley Wilcott at Ashley Wilcott dot com. You know,
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  Speaker 1: first you doctor Bethany Marshall. You know when you think
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  Speaker 1: of Olympians, you think of the elite. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: will never forget. I guess his name was Mark Spitz,
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  Speaker 1: and he was an Olympian and he would pose in
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  Speaker 1: his swimsuit with about ten gold medals around his neck.
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  Speaker 1: Then there came Bruce Jenner, Tocathalon Olympian winner. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it goes on and on. My son talks about Usain
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  Speaker 1: Bolt all the time. Michael Phelps. We look up to
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  Speaker 1: them because they epitomize or did epitomize clean living, devoting
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  Speaker 1: themselves to something and hanging in there, finding adversity until
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  Speaker 1: they win the gold to represent our country. When I
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  Speaker 1: hear that one olympian shoots down another equestrian, that that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't that goes against everything we think we know, doctor
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  Speaker 1: Beth Fancy, when you look at these individuals, the more sophistication, money, wealth, training,
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  Speaker 1: gifts and capacities and privileges in society that a person has,
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  Speaker 1: the more they can use these privileges to hide a
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  Speaker 1: very messy pathological interior. So look at that one astronaut.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember she went all the way into space.
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  Speaker 1: Then she was part of a love triangle. She ended
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  Speaker 1: up putting on a pair of diapers driving right. I
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  Speaker 1: was just about to say, is that the woman in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of a love triangle that went after her
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  Speaker 1: love rival and actually drove to the night wearing a
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  Speaker 1: pair of adult diapers. Her name will forever be connected
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  Speaker 1: to adult diapers. I mean, but in this case, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you really hit on something. To Dave Matt Crime online
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  Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter money, this is a former equestrian
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  Speaker 1: olympian on the grounds of his ritzy fifty three acre sprawl.
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  Speaker 1: Now I don't get it. Barrisone, a member of the
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  Speaker 1: Beijing Summer Games, allegedly guns down a female equestrian, shooting
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  Speaker 1: her twice in the chest in playing daylight in the
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  Speaker 1: afternoon at Hawthorne Farm. That's in a rural Morris County
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  Speaker 1: where there's nothing but I mean stinking rich people with huge,
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  Speaker 1: huge estates. What happened, Dave mac How did one equestrian
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  Speaker 1: go after the other one? The way it came out
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  Speaker 1: in Nancy, in the way that this is being played
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  Speaker 1: out is it was a landlord tenant dispute. Barrisone, as
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned, he owns that horse farm, this fifty three
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  Speaker 1: acre very expensive, ritzy equestrian outlet, and Lauren Canteract and
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  Speaker 1: her fiance Rob Goodwin, we're living on the property while
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  Speaker 1: training and raising some horses there on the farm in
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  Speaker 1: association with Michael Barrisone. They had a conflict. They had
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  Speaker 1: a battle over whether or not Lauren and her fiance
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  Speaker 1: could remain at that property. Barrisone wanted them off of
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  Speaker 1: his property. Counteract said no, I have a right to
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  Speaker 1: be here. And that's where the conflict began, and that's
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  Speaker 1: how we ended up in this horrible mess. Take listen
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  Speaker 1: to our friend Tara Jquit CBS two. Washington Township Police
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  Speaker 1: responding to a call at this home Wednesday around two pm.
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  Speaker 1: That's where they found thirty eight year old Lauren Canteract
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  Speaker 1: bleeding and losing consciousness. We have one not shot. That
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  Speaker 1: shooter was identified by Canteract herself. The criminal complaints states
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  Speaker 1: she said, quote Michael Barrosone shot me. He shot me twice.
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  Speaker 1: Police confirm it's former US Olympian Michael Barrisone. The fifty
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  Speaker 1: four year old who traveled with Team USA to Beijing
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  Speaker 1: to compete in dressage, was also Canteract's landlord. Canteract, an
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  Speaker 1: award winning equestrian, herself, was reportedly living on Barzone's property
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  Speaker 1: here at Hawthorne Farm with her fiance, and there was
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  Speaker 1: an ongoing landlord tenant dispute. Gassage A lot of people
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  Speaker 1: may not be familiar with it. Gissage is an Olympic sport.
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  Speaker 1: It really got going in the Games in Stockholm all
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  Speaker 1: the way back in the early nineteen hundreds and it
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  Speaker 1: is when the rider, the equestrian, performs a very intricate
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  Speaker 1: series of very precise horseback maneuvers, and the riders are
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  Speaker 1: scored on a scale of z. He rode to ten
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  Speaker 1: by a panel of international judges. Now with me right now,
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  Speaker 1: a dressage trainer, an expert. Her name is Dianna Corby. Okay, Dianna,
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  Speaker 1: don't laugh. But all I can think about is when
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  Speaker 1: I was on Dancing with the Stars and my partner,
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  Speaker 1: an irishman, Tristan mcmaddus, wanted to do every time. Tristan
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  Speaker 1: loved to do intricate dance steps and you know, turning
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  Speaker 1: your toes this way in that way and whirling around,
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  Speaker 1: and he was really good at it. I, however, was
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  Speaker 1: not as good at it. But I can't imagine it
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  Speaker 1: was hard enough for me to do that much less
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  Speaker 1: get a horse to Just having a really bad flashback
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  Speaker 1: of what what was that dance? Oh? The quick step?
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  Speaker 1: Oh gosh? Oh man, Okay, now go ahead, explain to
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  Speaker 1: me dressage. How did it happen? And why do we
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  Speaker 1: call it dressage? It looks like dressage, but we call
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  Speaker 1: it dressage. Yeah. Dressage is a French word that means training,
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  Speaker 1: and it was started. It originated a long time ago
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  Speaker 1: when horses were used in battle and that's how the
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  Speaker 1: discipline of dressage came about. We obviously no longer use
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  Speaker 1: horses in battle, but the movements that were used in
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  Speaker 1: defense and warfare are still are used now today in
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  Speaker 1: the Olympic Games. So it is similar to the dance
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  Speaker 1: that you're referring to, except now we have a thousand
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  Speaker 1: pound animal that doesn't speak English that you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: communicate with through the most subtle aids, using your body language,
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  Speaker 1: your weight, and trying to do a pattern that is
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  Speaker 1: judged by different judges around the arena and can be
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  Speaker 1: seen of course in the Olympics today crime stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Because of this, I've been looking at videos
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  Speaker 1: a dressage and I grew up in a very very
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  Speaker 1: rural area in Middle Georgia and we were around cows
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  Speaker 1: and horses and all sorts of animals. And when you
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  Speaker 1: say a thousand pound animal trying to get it to
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  Speaker 1: do these intricate it's like the horse is doing intricate
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  Speaker 1: dance steps and it's amazing. You know what else hits
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  Speaker 1: me to Ashley Wilcott, judge trial lawyer. You can find
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  Speaker 1: her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. This guy, Michael barrisone
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  Speaker 1: was named the Sportsman International Horseman of the Year and
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  Speaker 1: has trained many many Olympians and he operates the Barrisundressage
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  Speaker 1: Trail Facility on a long valley farm, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just eleven miles from the US Equestrian team's headquarters
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  Speaker 1: in Gladstone. Now it's very rarefied equestrian much less this dressage.
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  Speaker 1: Have you noticed, Ashley, the more rarefied and the richer.
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  Speaker 1: And I hate to say it because I push education
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  Speaker 1: on my children constantly. The smarter people get the sneakier
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  Speaker 1: they are, and it seems like they don't really have
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  Speaker 1: enough to do, and they sit around and think about
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  Speaker 1: murdering each other. Now I'm gonna have to pull on
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  Speaker 1: a shrink on that. But help me out, Ashley. This
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  Speaker 1: is a crazy case. So first of all, you're right,
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  Speaker 1: the equestrian world is so is an expensive sport, right,
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  Speaker 1: It is a very expensive stort. There you go. You
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  Speaker 1: just hit the nail on the head. That is why
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  Speaker 1: it's so elite and rarefied. It's the only word I
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  Speaker 1: can really think to describe it. Because nobody else can
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  Speaker 1: afford it. I mean I can. As a team, I
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  Speaker 1: can afford a pair of bebops because that's all I
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  Speaker 1: had to buy, you know, the blue and white satelocks
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  Speaker 1: for to be a cheerleader. Okay, that's all I had
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  Speaker 1: to buy. The school bought the uniform and the pom poms.
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  Speaker 1: But equestrian, that's thousands and thousands, Deanna Corby, how much
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  Speaker 1: would it take for a little girl, let's just say
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  Speaker 1: eleven to get outfitted in board a horse and learn
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  Speaker 1: equestrian A lot of money? Um, if you want the breakdown,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Um, let's see at my facility. Board is
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  Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifty dollars a month, and I was
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  Speaker 1: just gagging, go ahead, and then, um, training depends on
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  Speaker 1: depending on how much I'm sorry that choked me up
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  Speaker 1: so much, go ahead training? Then what happens? Yeah, training,
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  Speaker 1: depending on how much you want. You could be looking
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  Speaker 1: at another eight hundred dollars a month or so, and um,
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  Speaker 1: you know boots three hundred dollars for for the rider saddle. Um,
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  Speaker 1: as much as five thousand dollars for what wait? Wait,
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  Speaker 1: what costs five thousand dollars the saddle? The saddle, the
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  Speaker 1: saddle alone. Okay, you know, Ashley, you hit the nail
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  Speaker 1: on the hand, it's all money. It is all money.
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  Speaker 1: And let me just I'm sorry, Nancy. I have to
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  Speaker 1: say this, as you and I both know. Listen, just
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  Speaker 1: because you have money and expertise super smart doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: you can't be a criminal or do something that you shouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this man, for God's sake, shot someone over
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  Speaker 1: a landlord tenant dispute. How many people in America have
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  Speaker 1: landlord tenant disputes. I think it was more than shoot
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  Speaker 1: each other. I think it was more than that. There
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  Speaker 1: has to be more to this than over rent or
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  Speaker 1: her moving out of their ritzy compound. Joining me right now,
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  Speaker 1: form an NYPD, John Cardillo, John, I don't believe this
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  Speaker 1: is just over lay in lord tennett, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: blastom lady h much less some ritzy equestrian, high brow woman.
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  Speaker 1: No over no, no, no, just the ranch. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: buying that. I think there's more to it. You've seen
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  Speaker 1: so many homicides way you and John. Yeah, I tend
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  Speaker 1: to agree with you, Nancy, and I'll look at this,
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  Speaker 1: uh in a dual fashion. I actually own horses myself.
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  Speaker 1: I ride quite a bit. There's a lot of drama
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  Speaker 1: out at the barn. People get very upset over the
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  Speaker 1: littlest things. Wait a minute, that sounds like an episode
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  Speaker 1: of something drama out at the barn. Go ahead. The
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  Speaker 1: corbies will tell you though. I mean the one one
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  Speaker 1: girl puts her horse in a pasture with someone else's
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  Speaker 1: and the horses kick each other. There's a little cut.
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  Speaker 1: My god, you you would think they ran over each
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  Speaker 1: other's kids. It's it's there's a lot of drama. So
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  Speaker 1: I tend to agree. But everybody on the call is correct,
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  Speaker 1: from the corbys to the doctors. It doesn't your net
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  Speaker 1: worth doesn't matter. Look at Jeff Epps right, Your network
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter as to whether or not you can be
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  Speaker 1: a heinous criminal. But I do think this was over
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  Speaker 1: more than Hey, I no longer want you to train here.
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  Speaker 1: And as I read the history, in the fact pattern
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  Speaker 1: of the case, we had these allegations. Now that in
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  Speaker 1: itself deserves to investigate. What allegations The allegations that the
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  Speaker 1: victim made it against barisone that he had abuse, sexually
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  Speaker 1: molested his children, things of that nature. Okay, stop everything,
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  Speaker 1: stop everything. Cardillo has just struck a nerve. You just
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  Speaker 1: cut the chase, right, Dave mac Hello, Carmolne emphasis, investigative reporter. Investigate,
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  Speaker 1: you investigate, then you report I didn't hear anything about
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  Speaker 1: claims of sex abuse. Why did I get that from
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  Speaker 1: John Cardillo? Dave mac investigative reporter. The very reason you
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  Speaker 1: got that from John and me is because when this
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  Speaker 1: was discussed at his bail hearing, Okay, when Barrosone was
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  Speaker 1: in court, it was all about a tenant landlord issue.
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  Speaker 1: That was their argument. However, in the week before this
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  Speaker 1: shooting occurred Nancy, there were six calls by police to
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  Speaker 1: the farm. Lauren Canterac had made a number of complaints
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  Speaker 1: against Barrosone as her landlord about the condition of the
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  Speaker 1: home and that he was violating codes. But another call
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  Speaker 1: was made to the New Jersey version of Child Protective
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  Speaker 1: Services where canteract. And now this is purely us guessing
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  Speaker 1: as to what she said. We know she made a
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  Speaker 1: call to Child Protective Services. We don't know what she alleged,
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  Speaker 1: but we know that about an hour before the shooting occurred,
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey Child Protective Services were in They were there
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  Speaker 1: at the farm interviewing Barrisone about his potential abuse of
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  Speaker 1: his future step children. He's engaged to a woman who
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  Speaker 1: has minor chill drin. As soon as New Jersey CPS
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  Speaker 1: leaves the property, he marches out to the house. It's
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  Speaker 1: a two story house in the middle of his property,
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  Speaker 1: and he walks out there and confronts Lauren counteract and
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  Speaker 1: her fiance, Rob Goodwin. That's what happened. That's what led
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  Speaker 1: up to this actual shooting. So this is not over rent.
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  Speaker 1: This is not over rent at all. I knew it.
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  Speaker 1: I knew it, and I knew it. Hold on, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I'm being joined right now by Stephen Corby right now,
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  Speaker 1: lawyer in an niche area, an expert in safe sport.
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Corby, you know, at first Blush people may think, well,
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  Speaker 1: he had a weapon in his barn for some reason
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  Speaker 1: and it went off. That's not what happened at all.
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  Speaker 1: But I want your opinion on what went down and
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  Speaker 1: way in on how this relates to safe sports. Stephen Corby, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's important Nancy to look at the timeline
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  Speaker 1: of events that occurred in bleeding up to the shooting.
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  Speaker 1: So right before, only a few days before the shooting occurred.
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  Speaker 1: Another Olympian was banned permanently by Safe Sport, George Morris
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  Speaker 1: who was given a lifetime band due to allegations of
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  Speaker 1: sexual assault on miners, and the victim in this case
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  Speaker 1: had made comments on Facebook that she was interested or
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  Speaker 1: maybe even had contacted Safe Sport to tell them about
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  Speaker 1: some things that barrisone had allegedly done. And so in
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  Speaker 1: his mind he's thinking, well, if I get banned, that's
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  Speaker 1: my entire livelihood. And this other Olympian who's even bigger
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  Speaker 1: than I am, just got banned for life after other
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  Speaker 1: allegations of the sort. So this is only a couple
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  Speaker 1: days later. And what you have to know about Safe
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  Speaker 1: Sport Nancy is it was put in place after everything
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  Speaker 1: happened with the horrible Larry nass Or situation, and it
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  Speaker 1: got moved over, and it covers all Olympians, and it
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  Speaker 1: also now covers the entire United States Equestrian Foundation or Federation,
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  Speaker 1: and so its purpose is mainly to investigate claims of
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  Speaker 1: sexual assault of members or by members in that community
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  Speaker 1: and to determine whether or not they can continue to
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  Speaker 1: stay a part of the organization. And for some of
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  Speaker 1: these big guys, if they can't be a part of
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  Speaker 1: the organization anymore, they lose millions, millions of dollars Crime
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  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace, doctor Bethany Marshall joining me psychoanalyst
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  Speaker 1: out of LA This shooting victim absolutely beautiful. I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: at a photo of her right now. She looks, like
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  Speaker 1: she said, like a cucktail party in a slinky black dress.
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  Speaker 1: Just beautiful and a renowned equestrian. That doesn't happen overnight,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany. She didn't just get there overnight, but she
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  Speaker 1: walked in fear team. In the morning, there was like
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  Speaker 1: a very very suspicious looking vehicle that came in to
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  Speaker 1: the driveway going very slowly with a large STUV and
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  Speaker 1: it was going very slowly. I just texted the bar owner,
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  Speaker 1: how are you calling about the sedition vehicle? Now? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it just came back. Okay, hold on, we're weapons involter
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  Speaker 1: mentioned Um no, it all happened. Was just blacked out
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  Speaker 1: STV with like some guys smoking a cigarette in the front.
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  Speaker 1: Who had you never came before except for last night,
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  Speaker 1: three fifteing in the morning and we overheard them talking
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  Speaker 1: about like, uh, getting guys who like hurt us, kill
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  Speaker 1: us whatever. We spold it to the officers Stephan noon
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  Speaker 1: and they know how we have diffistication and everything. Are
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  Speaker 1: you or anyone else in danger right now? I'm out?
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  Speaker 1: Says here it again about what are you anyone else
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  Speaker 1: in danger right now? We feel very much that you
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  Speaker 1: could be you. Just nine one one and listen to
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  Speaker 1: one of her posts. I'm being bullied by a six
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  Speaker 1: foot three inch men, bullied to the point I'm afraid
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  Speaker 1: another post. Some people in life seem to feel they
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  Speaker 1: are untouchable by anyone. They feel that just because they
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  Speaker 1: have one accomplishment under their belt, that everyone will believe
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  Speaker 1: every word they say. I must be very careful and
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  Speaker 1: take every single legal precaution I can, as well as
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  Speaker 1: employ every resource to rectify this. Everything from my life, livelihood,
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  Speaker 1: and even my writing career have all been threatened should
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  Speaker 1: I refuse to adhere to the things I've been being
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  Speaker 1: put through constantly. Those are some of her post doctor Bethany. Wow. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: You know what that tells me, Nancy, is that he
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  Speaker 1: was obsessed with her. He was violating her rights. And
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  Speaker 1: we know if somebody, let's look at Harvey Weinstein, if
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  Speaker 1: somebody has the kind of personality where they violate the
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  Speaker 1: rights of others, where they lack empathy, they relate to
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  Speaker 1: others on the basis of power. They want to exploit
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  Speaker 1: and take advantage of other people. The more money and
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  Speaker 1: the more wealth they have, the more access they have
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  Speaker 1: to abusing everybody around them. And this Michael Barrozone may
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  Speaker 1: have had something that we call obsessional paranoia. That is
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  Speaker 1: the belief that somebody's presence here on earth, another person's
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  Speaker 1: presence is there to humiliate you, hurt you, harm you
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  Speaker 1: in some way, or is making your life worse in
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  Speaker 1: some way. And people who have obsessional paranoia become preoccupied
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  Speaker 1: with going after the victim to punish them. And you know, Nancy,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: if she was writing about this on Facebook, she wanted
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: other people to know. I mean, she really did feel frightened.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: It's it's not like she's just saying it to her
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  Speaker 1: fiance at night. She is putting this out in a
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  Speaker 1: public forum so people will know that if something happens
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: to her, it's because of Michael Barrosone. And it's interesting
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: she says he has one accomplishment. She has many accomplishments,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: so keeps using this one accomplishment to have power over her.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: So no, this is not a rental or tenant dispute.
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  Speaker 1: This is somebody who wanted to have power over her
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and wanted to punish her, and it escalated. Take a
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: listen to our friend at CBS two, Tierra Jaquay. According
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: to the complaint, when police arrived, they found Canteract's fiance
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and Barrisone on the ground wrestling for the gun. After
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Barrisone fired shots and missed. Barrisone was taken into custody
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: at the scene and reportedly stayed in multiple times to police,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: quote I had a good life. The shooting taking place
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: just days after Lauren Caneract's close friend confirms to CBS
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: two she posted on her Facebook page quote, I'm being
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: bullied by a six three man, bullied to the point
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I'm afraid her neighbors at a loss for words. Stuff
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: like that doesn't happen around here, So that's odd and
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: he's right. Our town has been fortunate that for the
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: last four or five years, we've actually been listed as
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: one of the most the safest towns in the nation,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: according to the Morris County Prosecutor's Office. Michael Barrisone is
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: being evaluated at a local hospital. Actually, Wilcott Judge trial
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: lawyer at Scott dot com. Have you noticed how rich
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and educated people don't think crime can ever enter their neighborhood.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was thinking during this They don't
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: think it can enter their neighborhood. But here's the other
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: half of it. Sometimes those are the very people that
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: think they're beyond the law, that they can get away
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: with it because they have such such a belief that
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: they're right, everybody else is wrong, and they're untouchable, you know.
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  Speaker 1: To Joseph Scott Morgan joining me, professor of forensics at
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: on Amazon, Joe Scott, I find these postings to be
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: very probative as to the victim's state of mind at
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the time she was shot. Now, whether they could come
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: into evidence as a whole another can of worms, that's
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: an evidentiary matter. But I find them very probitive. What
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: else jumps out at you as forensic proof in this case, well,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: obviously the shooting itself. Nancy is going to give you
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: an idea of the relationship physical relationship between them relative
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: to things like range of fire. The police officer that
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: was calling in on the radio had said, it looks
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: like the subject has sustained two very close range gunshot wounds.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: But you got to dig a little bit deeper, Nancy,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: with these statements. This cuts both ways. This person is
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: saying she's being bullied. This person is filing claims relative
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: to things like you know, city city ordinance violations, and
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: she's actually going out there saying this man is a
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: sexual predator. And you know, I gotta tell you, Nancy,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: it seems as though she's throwing a lot of stuff
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: against the wall relative to this man's life to see
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: what's going to stick. Yeah, she's saying that he had
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: one accomplishment. Well, another major comp is he's a businessman.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: He runs, he runs this facility. And when it comes
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: down to it, these people very well may have been
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: squatting and have been kneeling him all these years or
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: all these months just taking advantage of how okay, so
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: all these months, if they can't take an advantage of him,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: that tests one of your working theories. But then when
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: she reports alleged sex abuse on his part, then he
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: suddenly shoots her. Mmm. Interesting In keeping with Jeff Scott
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Morgan's working theory, Take a listen to Barrison's defense lawyer
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Jeff Simson fifty four years. Mister Barrison has not had
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: a blemish of his rectory. We also know him that
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: it is well known within the community. He owns the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: property on which the Whig victims or squatters judge we're
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: asked to. We've numerous judges have taken over the property.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Why do you say you characterize them a squatter? Squatters
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: in the law has a particularly connotation different than tenants,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: lawful tenants. That's my understanding. It's my understanding. You can
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: correct me from the long What was the nature of
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: the relationship ud standing on the property? Our relationship was
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Joseph what they were finished training the horses. They were
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: no longer be allowed to stay on the pro Was
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: that written the name Lee SIGNI I don't believe so.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: But these people have not paid right. When I say squatters, judge,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I mean squatters simply because they were no longer allowed
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: to be on their property pursuit of their verbal agreement
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: with mister prison. So I'm so glad they said that.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: That That really cleared everything up for me. So they're squatters.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: So he shot her twice in the chest. You know what,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's how the eviction process is supposed
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: to work straight out to Stephen Corby, not only an
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: expert in safe sport but lawyer as well. Stephen Corby,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: what about it? Yeah, I completely agree with you, Nancy.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I'm actually a bit surprised that the Defense Council focused
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: so much on that that would justify any of the
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: actions that occurred. In fact, if anything, it just goes
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: further to show that his own client was frustrated at
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the process because he believes that they are squatters instead
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: of lawful tenants. But you know, the relationship between these
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: parties goes back pretty far. It sounds like the victim
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: had been training horses with barrisone in twenty eighteen as
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: well throughout the whole summer, and had trained at the
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: beginning of this summer as well, and some of these
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: problems it looks like didn't start until the end of
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: June or July. And when you're talking about moving this
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: many horses and you've been at a facility for so long,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: of course you can't get immediately out. And so even
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: without a contract, I don't see how there wouldn't be
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: a landlord tenant relationship that would require some sort of
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: lawful eviction clime stories with Nancy Grace. Yeah, I own
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: this place. Who have been living on this place and
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: were told h knocking in the horse barn after I'm
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: being and they're in the horse barns. They're scumbags and
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I want them warned. They have cased us out of
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: our house and I need this still with tonight, you
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: were just hearing a series of nine one one calls,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: calls that were brewing before the double shooting went down,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: to suggest that he shot them because they were squatters.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: That's not self defense. That is shooting out of anger
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: or revenge. That equals in many cases murder charges when
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: you shoot someone out of anger or revenge. Take a
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: listen to what the prosecutor there in Morris County says
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Christopher Shellhorn. She sustained two gunstout wounds to the to
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: the torso judge, she is receiving excellent medical tree even
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: have Worstown Medical Center. As we've come to know through
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: other cases, the second victim, RG has returned to the residents.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: He's continued to care for the horses that are on
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: the property, has continued to maintain that I guess association
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and with the stables certainly there is a real danger
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to the victims here. The defendant went there on August
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: seven with a particular goal in mind, and that was
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: he could not find resolution through the civil courts, He
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: could not find resolution through the police, and he went
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: there that day with an intention to find resolution by
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: murdering his adversaries. You know, this woman sustains two gunshots
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: to the torso over what Dave Matt crime online dot
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter explain the timeline to me again just
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: before the shooting. Well, what we know, Nancy, is that
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: just before the shooting, the New Jersey version of Child
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Protective Services actually was on the premises doing a one
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: on one interview with Michael Barrisone. They were there discussing
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: his future step children, the children the minor children of
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: his fiance. After they left, that's when Michael Barrisone grabbed
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: that black and pink gun and went to confront Lauren
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Canteract and her fiance Rob Goodwin. So, bottom line, how
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: do we prove or disprove this to you, Doctor Bethany Marshall,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: psychoanis joining me out of la Doctor Bethany, what do
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: you make of the sequence of the events and now
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: she's fighting for her life in a hospital bed. Well,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I think that there are no perfect victims. Obviously they
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: were playing into the situation with Barrisone in some way,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: but look, only one person pulled a trigger. That is
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the perpetrator, and that tells me that he is the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: one who had the homicidal thoughts. He is the one
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: who's mostly at fault. It seems like, you know, sometimes
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: people can fight, but they don't really understand completely what
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: they're fighting about. And it seems to me that the
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: three of these three individuals were engaged in some vicious
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: fight that we, as the outsiders, cannot be privy to.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: And the fight may have even been about the horses,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: like how well the horses were cared for. It could
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: have been about values and ethics that they felt that
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: they were better, you know, Horsey people than Barrisone was,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: or they didn't like the way he was taking care
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: of the property, or maybe they became obsessed with the
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: new stepchildren and that he was going to violate them.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: But there was some colossal war taking place between the
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: three of them over something that we cannot know about.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: It is not about tenants rights, it is really not
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: and I don't think it was about the step children.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: It was probably some ideology, but I think that when
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: they reported him as a possible perpetrator to the stepchildren,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: they were taking something precious away from him, which was
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: this potential marriage. And we know when somebody's already homicidal
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: and they're about to face a big loss, they become
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: even more homicidal. So I think that that was the
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: final precipitating event before he went over and shot her
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: twice in the chess. He wanted to kill her, Nancy,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: he shot her in and the chess he aimed to kill,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: and not once but twice. To Deanna Corby, jassage trainer
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: and expert, Deanna, it's hard for regular people like me,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: like a lot of us, to relate to this world,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: this elite world of multi millionaires equestrian experts in that
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: culture are the coaches and the trainers like Demi Gods, Well,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: how do they get away with it? Well, yeah, they
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: kind of are like celebrities. Michael Barrison is a highly
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: accomplished and sought after Olympic level dressage trainer and he
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: actively trains many many students and in these instructor trainer
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: and student relationships, the relationship becomes really really close because
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the large amount of time that they're spent together and
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: the trust that's required to work together. So here you
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: are as a student trusting your trainer, spending a ton
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: of time with the trainer. You admire this person, you
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: want to learn from this person, you want to be
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: like this person, and you sort of become jaded in
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: your vision of that person, or you can become jaded
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: in your vision of that person because that person that
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: you're training with is your idol. So it's easy to
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: overlook things. I guess, Stephen Corby, what will happen now,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Stephen Corby with me, lawyer and renowned expert in safe sport, Nancy. Yeah,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: so I agree that I think it's very unlikely to
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: be a landlord tenant issue. I don't think that that's
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: probably what triggered it, and I think your instincts are
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: right there. You know again, I think this is really
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: about the accusations of child abuse and how it ties
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: in with the safe sport world because of the loss
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: of livelihood and possibly the loss of a significant amount
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: of money. And to your point earlier than you asked
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: about why people allow these these trainers to really have
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: so much power, and why they don't speak up against them.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: And it's and that's the whole reason the Safe Sport exists.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: It's because people were afraid to make allegations or accusations
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: against persons because then they would be ostracized in their
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: communities and possibly not allowed to train with other famous professionals.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: And so it was this real big fear of silence,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and so Safe Sport came along and said, Okay, make
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: your accusations to us, we'll investigate, we'll keep everything quiet,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: we won't let anyone say anything about the accusers or
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the victims, and will make an independent termination that won't
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: harm your future career. And that's the reason it's really
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: been put into places to help make people feel safe
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: in making these accusations. Unfortunately, it didn't seem to make
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: the victim, Lauren here in the situation safe. Dave Mack,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: this guy um now sitting behind bars, a US equestrian olympian,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: after do you know, pounding this woman with at least
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: two gunshot wounds to the Torso I think it was
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: about money. I think it was about the alleged sex allegations.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: But I think more than that. I really believe it's
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: about status and reputation and the way he perceives he's
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: viewed in this rarefied equestrian community. I think that's what
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: he didn't want. He didn't want to be embarrassed by
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: her and her claims. I think that was the motive.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. See, Lauren had been around
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Barrisone for a long time, and apparently there were no complaints.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, in
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: the last couple of months, one complaint after another. It
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: was just throwing It was like throwing complaints against a wall.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,