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  Speaker 1: Podcast Check it out. But Joe Regan Experience Train My Day, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Rogan Podcast by Night, all day.
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  Speaker 1: What's happening man?
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  Speaker 3: Meet It's great to meet you as well, Joe. I
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  Speaker 3: really really appreciate you taking me out here.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my pleasure. I've enjoyed your content for quite a
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  Speaker 1: while now.
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  Speaker 3: So well, I'll be interested to know when was it
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  Speaker 3: that you first started getting interested in what I was doing?
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  Speaker 3: What kind of subject I wish I remembered. I know
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  Speaker 3: you followed me for a couple of years before the
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  Speaker 3: caff repyramid scans and stuff like. You know, I'm into
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  Speaker 3: the UFO subject and things like that, but I wasn't sure.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's all the silly shit that I love, silly
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  Speaker 1: and series at the same time, ancient civilizations, mysteries and
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  Speaker 1: obviously aliens.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and it's all co tangent. It all connects together.
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  Speaker 1: I think so too. We actually played a clip we
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  Speaker 1: did a podcast yesterday with doctor Michael Masters.
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  Speaker 3: Love him, yeah a couple of times.
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  Speaker 1: Very fun, very smart guy, interesting guy. But we played
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  Speaker 1: We were talking about the he has a theory that
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  Speaker 1: aliens are human beings in the future. Yeah, it's a
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  Speaker 1: very strange theory based.
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  Speaker 3: On like kind of the anthropological view and the physiology
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  Speaker 3: and how that might have happened over time.
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  Speaker 1: And there's also what was the model. There's the many
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  Speaker 1: world's theory, and then what was his model. There's a
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  Speaker 1: different one that the concept is you could if you
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  Speaker 1: lived in the future, you could go back in time
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  Speaker 1: and it would not affect the future because everything that's
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  Speaker 1: supposed to happen has already happened, right, and you were
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  Speaker 1: supposed to go back anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting, Okay, I try to get my head.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, during that time, I asked him about the
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  Speaker 1: Tritactl mummies and then we played your clip. Oh okay, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we played the clip that showed all the scans. We
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  Speaker 1: talked about Jesse Michaels and how he went down to
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  Speaker 1: Peru and actually touched those things and was there with
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  Speaker 1: them and how surreal it was.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in Peru recently, not to go and
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  Speaker 3: see the Nascar mummies. I wish I could have seen them.
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  Speaker 3: I was out there to look at all the megalithic
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  Speaker 3: studies and the excavations going on saxo Aman, which is
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  Speaker 3: an incredible megalithic site in Cusco. But the Nasca mummies.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what's interesting about it is that obviously you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna have a big knee jerk reaction to something that's
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  Speaker 3: so incredibly profound as the idea of these being non
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  Speaker 3: human intelligences that are mummified. But when you actually look
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  Speaker 3: at the CT scans and the X rays, you start
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  Speaker 3: to realize that this can't be faked. You can't fake bone, cartiledge,
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  Speaker 3: you can't fake capillaries and heart valves and a fetus
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  Speaker 3: inside the body. So it's so nice, dude, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Some of them have eggs inside them, some of them
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  Speaker 3: have fetuses, Like it looks like eggs are big, like
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  Speaker 3: big eggs inside them. Yeah, and these are small beings.
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  Speaker 3: These ones are meant to be like the little kind
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  Speaker 3: of like sixty centimeter beings with like three eggs inside.
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  Speaker 3: And then you've got the big one, Monserrat, which has
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  Speaker 3: an actual fetus, like a baby, not in an egg.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like, if these are all real, it does
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  Speaker 3: feel like there were some sort of genetic experimentation going
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  Speaker 3: on where there it's churning out prototypes or some form.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that's it or do you think that
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  Speaker 1: there used to be another type of from lack of
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  Speaker 1: a better word, primate. Well, the thing is that prim
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what is that?
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  Speaker 3: I mean some of them they're leaning more towards like
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  Speaker 3: reptilian anthropod kind of lineage. So like the bigger ones
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  Speaker 3: seem to be more mammalian, whereas the smaller ones with
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  Speaker 3: the eggs are sharing reptilian traits. So it's like there
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  Speaker 3: are all these different variations with these different bodies, different
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  Speaker 3: kind of like physiological characteristics, which is why it's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: well is this one lineage or is this just someone
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  Speaker 3: kind of like tweaking Alright, Well, that one failed, that
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  Speaker 3: one's not working, this one grew wings, right, fuck that
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  Speaker 3: one off, Like you know, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Just so your thought is that these are the products
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  Speaker 1: of experiments.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at Jesse when Jesse Michaels
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  Speaker 3: did his documentary, one thing he mentioned, I can't remember
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  Speaker 3: where he got this from, but he was saying that
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  Speaker 3: the original translation of the area of NASCAR from the
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  Speaker 3: original language was like the area of experiments and genetic cloning,
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  Speaker 3: or it was like a really strange definition for the
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  Speaker 3: actual area that kind of says eperimentation and genetic modification.
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember the exact quote, but this was something
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  Speaker 3: that he brought up in the documentary. I was like, huh, okay,
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  Speaker 3: then you have all of these various different examples.
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  Speaker 1: I asked you who said that? Who called it that?
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  Speaker 3: So when Jesse Michaels put out his documentary, there was
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  Speaker 3: just a scene in it. Now my memory is failing
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  Speaker 3: me a little bit, but there's a scene anywhere he
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  Speaker 3: was talking about the Nasca region and he said that
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  Speaker 3: the original in the original language, this translates roughly to
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  Speaker 3: the area of experimentation and genetics of some form.
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  Speaker 1: But how do they know that?
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  Speaker 3: I agree, I agree, but it's just a weird little
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  Speaker 3: caveat that he brought up in the documentary. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: quite He'd probably be rolling his eyes me now, like, dude,
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  Speaker 3: I actually fucking know exactly what this is. Make you
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  Speaker 3: look like, yeah, I'm butchering it, but no for sure.
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  Speaker 3: But I but just the fact that these things exist,
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  Speaker 3: and they exist in an area of the world which
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  Speaker 3: is full of mystery. I mean the megalithic sites around now,
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  Speaker 3: Like I said, that's what I was out there for,
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  Speaker 3: to see these different megal sites and the nascalines and
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  Speaker 3: you know sax Sell Woman and in the Sacred Valley
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  Speaker 3: you just have like incredibly complex architecture. You know, rose
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  Speaker 3: caught granite Diarte and to sight these incredibly hard stones
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  Speaker 3: like in Egypt. But honestly, I find Peru even more
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  Speaker 3: baffling than Egypt with the architecture because of just the
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  Speaker 3: level of interlocking precision that you see and the fact
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  Speaker 3: that it looks like they've softened the stone. In Sacks
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  Speaker 3: of Woman, it looks like marshmallows, like all squished together,
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  Speaker 3: and it just invokes a lot of different theories from
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  Speaker 3: people about how they were actually manipulating the stone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it doesn't seem like it was just carved
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  Speaker 1: no right like it it does seem like there's some
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  Speaker 1: areas where chunks have been removed from you know, the quarries.
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  Speaker 1: But when there are piece together, when you see those
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  Speaker 1: weird like curvatures to it, it's like what will you
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  Speaker 1: guys do? And perfect precision?
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  Speaker 3: Perfect precision, And like sometimes you'll see like these corners
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  Speaker 3: where just a tiny bit of stone is jotting up
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  Speaker 3: and then the other two are connecting into it. It's like
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  Speaker 3: this is such a ridiculous level of complexity. For an
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  Speaker 3: apparent six hundred year ago Bronze age, bronze chisels and
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  Speaker 3: stone hammertol wielding civilization, and also in Peru. Is what
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  Speaker 3: I find very interesting is you've got a brilliant visual
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  Speaker 3: contrast to use when you look at what is the
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  Speaker 3: Inca work, which is the rough cut stone, the mortar
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  Speaker 3: brick using walls like this is all present in Peru
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  Speaker 3: next to the megalithic sites, and the mainstream will attribute
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  Speaker 3: all of this to the Inca of six hundred years ago.
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  Speaker 3: But you'll see that the stone walls that are rough
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  Speaker 3: cart and use cemented more to they're still standing, they're
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  Speaker 3: pretty pristine, they're looking good next to megalithic multi ton
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  Speaker 3: slabs of granite that are broken to pieces and strewn
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  Speaker 3: across the hillside. So it just looks like there was
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  Speaker 3: a lot of desolation potentially geological trauma in this area
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  Speaker 3: and then these people, the Inca, discovered these sites built
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  Speaker 3: around them. You can see in the cracks and corners
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  Speaker 3: of all these megalifts that there's like stone walls that
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  Speaker 3: they've tried to kind of you know, reinforce. It's very
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  Speaker 3: visually obvious. Actually when you go out to these places.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it fascinating that people aren't willing to consider the
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  Speaker 1: possibility this is from an older time, like that it's heresy.
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  Speaker 3: It's just such a knee jerk reaction.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 3: Like I think at the end of the day, we're
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  Speaker 3: still using models from like eighteen hundreds explorers, right, and
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  Speaker 3: it's like what the fuck, Like we've moved forward. There's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of contradicting evidence and data in a lot
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  Speaker 3: of these countries, whether it be know go Beckley Tepe
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  Speaker 3: in Turkey or the potential infrastructure below the Giza Plateau,
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  Speaker 3: and then the incredible megalists in Saxon in Peru, like
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  Speaker 3: Saxa Woman. It just feels like what we're doing is
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  Speaker 3: rehashing the same status quo orthodoxy and it's coming up
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  Speaker 3: against ever piling higher mountain of evidence. And one of
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  Speaker 3: the cool things that I got to do out in
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  Speaker 3: Peru was go to sax A Woman where they've got
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  Speaker 3: current archaeological digs going on through the Eachinkana project, which
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  Speaker 3: is an archaeological team out there and they're doing digs
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  Speaker 3: and they have actually discovered below like ten meters down
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  Speaker 3: into the ground, precision carved blocks of stone that are
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  Speaker 3: coming out of the earth, and this is where in
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  Speaker 3: this region, in Cusco, the Andean legends are that there
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  Speaker 3: is a vast labyrinth below ground, connecting Cusco to sax
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  Speaker 3: A Woman, connecting sax A Woman to the Sacred Valley,
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  Speaker 3: all spreading out across the Andean mountain range. And this
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  Speaker 3: is like an old legend. This is what the Shamans
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  Speaker 3: and the you know, sacred keepers of knowledge would say.
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  Speaker 3: In Peru, we're finding evidence for it. We're literally going
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  Speaker 3: underground now and seeing that there are actually really precise
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  Speaker 3: elements of infrastructure below sax A Woman, and they're just
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  Speaker 3: beginning to uncover this. I was one of the first
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  Speaker 3: to go down there and actually see these blocks myself,
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  Speaker 3: and it's just like this is happening now that you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're actually getting to a place where we can start
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  Speaker 3: to validate some of these forgotten myths and folklores or
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  Speaker 3: if you want to call them conspiracies or pseudoscience. From
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  Speaker 3: the archaeological side of things, it's being evidence now that's mad.
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  Speaker 1: So these tunnels and like, what is exactly the structure
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  Speaker 1: that's supposed to be down there, and what have they discovered?
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  Speaker 3: So it's it's supposed to be called the Chinkana the labyrinth,
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  Speaker 3: and there's a few different Chinkana entrances.
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  Speaker 1: Around the pages. It's supposed to be.
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  Speaker 3: Vast, multiple kilometers. It's stretching from down Sacks of Woman
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  Speaker 3: down into Cusco and then off into the Andean mountain
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  Speaker 3: range to the Sacred Valley.
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  Speaker 1: Very similar to some of the stuff that they foundypt.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes. And then what's interesting is you have
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  Speaker 3: the same hallmarks and signatures that you see in Egypt.
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  Speaker 3: So you see the stone knobs, you know, these little
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  Speaker 3: protrusions get I'm I'm addicted to those man because they
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  Speaker 3: are all over the world.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have any theories?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I've listened to a lot of theories. I
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  Speaker 3: certainly think that.
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  Speaker 1: You should show an image of it.
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  Speaker 3: Some of what we're talking about stone nubs.
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  Speaker 1: There's all of these incredible massive stones that have been
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  Speaker 1: somehow or another moved from a quarry sometimes that were
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of miles away. They are these weird nubs on
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  Speaker 1: them and no one knows what they are. And there's
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of theories like maybe they help them move
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  Speaker 1: the beginings. You see them all over the place, and
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  Speaker 1: no one quite knows.
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  Speaker 3: Those are India. You see them in Egypt, you see
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  Speaker 3: them in Perud. This is in Alington Tambo in the
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  Speaker 3: Sacred Valley.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, seeing this is one of the things that's so
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  Speaker 1: infuriating about people that are arrogant about gatekeeping information and
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  Speaker 1: being the only ones that are allowed to distribute the
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  Speaker 1: truth right quotes. We're missing so much. Yeah, there's no
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  Speaker 1: way you really.
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  Speaker 3: Know, huge gaps of knowledge.
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  Speaker 1: We're missing so much and more time goes on, is Grahamhock.
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  Speaker 1: Graham Hancock always says, shit just keeps getting older. And
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  Speaker 1: now they just push back the use of fire by
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  Speaker 1: three hundred thousand plus years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, exactly, like.
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  Speaker 1: It just keeps going. It's not going forward, No, it's
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  Speaker 1: going backwards.
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  Speaker 3: And anatomically modern humans, I think, have got much further
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  Speaker 3: back now in time. They're looking at eight hundred thousand years,
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  Speaker 3: you know, plus.
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  Speaker 1: Plus possibly even a million. This is what weirds me
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  Speaker 1: ou about about these creatures, Like human beings have gotten
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  Speaker 1: to the point multiple times where we were almost extinct.
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  Speaker 1: The Tobe of Volcano, I think we got down to god,
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  Speaker 1: was it seven thousand people? Is that like the low estimate? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's a crazy story. Like supervolcanoes are unbelievably devastating to
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  Speaker 1: just all life, you know, because it just changes the
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  Speaker 1: temperature of the Earth the entire surface. Whatever doesn't get
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  Speaker 1: blasted out of the ground by the actual volcano itself,
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  Speaker 1: all the other stuff on the other side of the
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  Speaker 1: world gets fucked. Like it's just it just ruins everything.
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  Speaker 1: We got down to like a few thousand people. And
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  Speaker 1: then there was another time where one of these guys,
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  Speaker 1: God to forget who that was as well, we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about the reality of glaciation and about what happens
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  Speaker 1: during ice ages and how devastating it can be, and
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  Speaker 1: they were saying that we had gotten at least multiple
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  Speaker 1: times in the history of the Earth to the point
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  Speaker 1: where it was incapable of sustaining life within a few
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  Speaker 1: you know, like whatever parts per million of carbon dioxide
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  Speaker 1: are necessary to support plant life. We literally got to
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  Speaker 1: the part where there was almost impossible to support life,
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  Speaker 1: and then it rebounded. And so there's so much we
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Absolutely so crazy to try to pretend, you
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  Speaker 1: know that people six hundred years ago make this, because
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  Speaker 1: we know people six hundred years ago lived there. We
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of archaeological evidence and we have, but
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  Speaker 1: you have weird structures on top of obviously much more
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  Speaker 1: intricate and complex structures.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and again they share the same signatures as places.
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  Speaker 1: Like in Egypt, and you know, I think you're a kook.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah they do. It's just a knee jerk reaction. It's
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  Speaker 3: it's again it's adherence to a status quo. And and
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  Speaker 3: you know, you get channeled through a very kind of
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  Speaker 3: fine wall in academia, and I think that it can
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  Speaker 3: it can be a real detriment actually to opening up
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  Speaker 3: your ideas and being a little bit more expansive with
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  Speaker 3: what could be possible, because you do get put into
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  Speaker 3: a very restrictive format in the traditional academic sense. And
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  Speaker 3: then obviously you have, you know, the pressures of funding
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  Speaker 3: and things like this, and you're not going to get
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  Speaker 3: the funding if you're talking about this crazy shit, and
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  Speaker 3: it's just like a self fulfilling sensor ring, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But it's really the rise of alternative media. We're changing
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  Speaker 3: the game a bit because you can actually put a
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  Speaker 3: voice out there, you can put an idea out there.
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  Speaker 3: It's not completely stone walled by the academic circle. They
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  Speaker 3: can't actually prevent people from discussing these ideas in an
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  Speaker 3: open media format by.
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  Speaker 1: This, right, And if you put a video like you
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  Speaker 1: did on x or on YouTube, people can like, like
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  Speaker 1: the video that you did on the Aliens, but whatever
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  Speaker 1: they are, whatever, the people.
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  Speaker 3: Can see the CT scans exactly.
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  Speaker 1: You see the CT scans and you're automatically go, wait
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  Speaker 1: a minute, this is twelve hundred years old. Yeah, you're
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  Speaker 1: telling me someone fake this twelve hundred years ago. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they can fake that, now, you know
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  Speaker 1: they could.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they could.
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood special effects guys. But then the composition of the
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  Speaker 1: actual the bones.
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  Speaker 3: And everything like carlscle tissue and how would.
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  Speaker 1: You fake that?
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  Speaker 4: Circling back, I texted Jesse to ask them for some
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  Speaker 4: insight on which nice.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So what he sent me was screenshot of a
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  Speaker 4: book where he got it from translate translation.
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  Speaker 3: Here shows science of insemination.
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  Speaker 4: Juma word for what that area is called, right right, right,
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  Speaker 4: This is a book you found from that area, I think,
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  Speaker 4: And that says, yeah, laboratory of insemination and cloning.
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  Speaker 1: What what I'm saying All these terms they use Huma
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  Speaker 1: is semen. You may a will verb to inseminate, humage
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  Speaker 1: the science of insemination uma page wise inseminator, uma, scion
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  Speaker 1: or clone is what I'm saying, may to clone, jumage
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  Speaker 1: the science of cloning, and jumpage wise cloner.
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  Speaker 3: So basically, what man, you know, it's there, it's it's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: And then obviously go back to that, please get you
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  Speaker 3: get alongside this kind of description. You have, these bodies,
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  Speaker 3: you have?
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  Speaker 1: This is man.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like this was dude. This was like one little
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  Speaker 3: ten second clip in his documentary and it just made
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  Speaker 3: me perk up, Like, wait a minute, what the name of.
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  Speaker 1: The place is like a laboratory of insemination and cloning and.
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  Speaker 3: They're getting a smallershport of different beings coming out of
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  Speaker 3: this area, right.
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  Speaker 4: Like Jesse he does add I think he's speculating somewhat
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  Speaker 4: on the etymology, not definitive.
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  Speaker 3: But right right right, But yeah, I mean it's there.
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  Speaker 1: Jesse's better at this than me. It's done there. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: But it is interesting, it is interesting, and I think
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  Speaker 3: it does, you know, leads into what was happening on
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  Speaker 3: this planet a long time ago.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't it leads, Like my point was when I
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  Speaker 1: was getting to the whole super volcano thing. Yeah, what
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  Speaker 1: if something happened that wiped that species out? Right, Clearly
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  Speaker 1: there's no more Neanderthals, right They whatever happened, whether it
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  Speaker 1: was us or disease or whatever killed them off, they
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  Speaker 1: don't exist anymore. We only have evidence of people in
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: are bread with them. What is that thing? That thing
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: maybe one of us, like another kind of human. Look,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: look another kind of primate. You know, Look how different
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: we are than reeseus monkeys, right, Like, we're all primates
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: were so fucking different. Why would we assume that the
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: ones that we found so far, including like what they
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: find Dennis Ovan's like fifteen years ago or something like that, right, right,
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: and then Homeo Julienne's what was that one? It was
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: just a few years ago. Like, they keep finding these
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: new versions of people, not new obviously, no, but long
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: extinct versions of people.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: I think it's possible, And I also think that there's
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: a you know, a potential. What if a particular sub
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: route species of Hominy decided to opt in for subterranean
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: living and they escaped a lot of the surface world
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: traumas and we're actually able to kind of maintain their society.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, look at all of the weird evidence we
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: have in these vast underground. He's starting to call you
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: would love to go there? My god, what you said?
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: He just released a video on it. It's Burano.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Imagine renovating your house and fucking finding that.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Renovating your house and find there's a room for twenty
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: thousand people under your house?
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Would you say anything?
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I don't have to think about
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: where I lived. You live in a place where the
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: government just come and take your house.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, be worried about that.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I would say it if I was in America. But
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: if you know I was in America, what if I
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: really liked my house and now my house is connected
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: and just want to come get out of my yard?
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Exactly exactly. But like, yeah, I think about this, and
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: I think about all of these different Oh good good, No,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: I'm happy to hear that, happy to hear that. But
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: it's it's interesting. And then you have, you know, the
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: strange stories like from the Hopee tribe about the hands
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: people that came during a time of cataclysm and they
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: brought them underground and then they brought them back up.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: And there's a few like that. There was a really
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: interesting podcast. It was years ago I remember seeing this
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: where they'd brought these two Amazonian shamans on the podcast,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: like full head dress. They spoke their own tribal language.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: They needed an interpreter in the room, and the guy
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: asked them what they thought about aliens, and they didn't
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: understand the question and know what he meant by alien.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: He was like thumbing through this book and he put
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: up a picture of a gray and the tribes and went, oh,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: that's macan Wabu, that's macun Wabo. And they had a
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: whole story about how this was a human that became
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: an ant that lives underground and it can appear in
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: the divine light, but you should be very careful with
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: this being because it will take your soul underground and
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: you need a very good charming to bring your soul back.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: And they were taking it real seriously, like yeah, yeah, dude.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: It's like these tribal cultures they know many they fucking
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: know well.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I think they have. I think there's an ancient memory
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: in people. I think it's one of the reasons why
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: these post apocalypse movies are so popular. There's a lot
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: of post apocalypse movies where you know, like people they
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: figure out how to make houses out of wood again,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: and they're surviving, and they make little encampments and they
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: fight off the intruders from the outside, you know, real
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: like Walking Dead type shit with no zombies. Yeah, I
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: think there's a memory in us of the surviving humans.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I think there's a memory, and I think we probably
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: have been through some terrible moments in the Earth's history
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: where there was an enormous disaster and we are the
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: ancestors of the survivors. And I don't think there was
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of survivors.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: No. In fact, I heard you talking about that the
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: other day, where you were saying about like the and
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: it's something I agree with the necessity for post cataclysm,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: post apocalypse. The strong men would inherit the earth, you know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: monsters would inherit the earth right, And so if we
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: really were a hyper advanced at Lantean type civilization prior
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: to this, maybe even more matriarchal than patriarchal, it would
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: make sense that when things fall apart, obviously, and now
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: you need to survive in the wild, the strong men
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: and the you know, savage guys would inherit the earth
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: because they would be the ones who would be able
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: to you, you know, push through that type of environment. And
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: then if that is the case and you fast forward
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: to where we are now, look at our incredibly competitive,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: hyper kind of aggressive culture that we have, it would
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: make sense that this was formed through the seeds of
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: trauma and through the seeds of having to fight for
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: survival and you know, recovering what was lost.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, which also makes sense. Why the past. The further
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: you go back, the more barbaric these people are. You're
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: dealing and you're like, well, it took a while for
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: people to learn maybe, but maybe you know, you're you're
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: dealing with people that had to They probably had to cannibalize.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, they probably had to eat everything they could.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: There was only a few thousand of them left. If
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: we really got hit by asteroids, like if the Younger
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Drives is correct, it makes sense that it would take
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: like five thousand years for merge again. Yeah, because that
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: seems to be what happened. It seems to be like
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: you have literally the scraggliest survivors and then actually the
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Earth gets back to normal. But even then it takes
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: thousands of years for people to just have a semblance
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: of what we're experiencing. Today in terms of civilization.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: And that's why prehistory is so fascinating and the Neolithic
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: in the Stone Age, because okay, so this is a
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: time when we were just basic hunter gatherers. We had
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: no you know, intelligence, no language, no real understanding of
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: the world according to the mainstream, but this is where
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: you have multi ton geodetically aligned solar equinox and what's
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: the lunar alignment. I'm completely just blanked just because I'm
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: a little bit nervous of being like, you know, like
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: equinox alignments and like alignments to the Sun and the
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: moon mathematically geodetically aligned to what look like telluric currents
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: like electromagnetic flows beneath the ground. A lot of these
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: stonehenges and Dolmonds are placed on places where you have
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: strong electromagnetic concentration. And just the package of mathematics and
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: engineering and stonecrafting and the knowledge of the Sun and
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: the stars and your placement on the planet to create
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: things like you know, Stonehenge and these other areas in
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: the world. How can you do that if you're just
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: hunter gatherers coming out of you know, animalistic behavior. It
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense. And then we kind of regress
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: as we go further into history, and you know, the
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: stone work becomes less impressive, that things become less accurate.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: And I find that very interesting. How is it at
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: the beginnings of our history some of the most impressive
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: structures exist?
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Exactly? It doesn't make any sense. No, you just easept
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: along with the conventional timeline of two thousand, five hundred
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: PC for the Great Pyramid. It doesn't make any sense.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: No, it doesn't. I think that they most likely settled
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: around those pyramids, most likely said around. And you know
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: the scans, if these can be validated fully and empirically
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: with digs and confirmation physically, then that changes everything.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: It changes everything everything. You're seeing a lot of people
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: spaz out online.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, wonderful.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: It's been wonderful to watch because when people are under pressure,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the real character gets right.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: They're under a lot of pressure right now because those scans,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: that radio tomography or whatever the fuck it is, I am,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: it's super accurate with stuff that we know exists. That's
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: what's a real problem for these people. You want to
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: believe it exists when it can map out all these
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: chambers in the pyramid. You want to believe it exists
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: when it can map out things that we know it exists.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Fifty feet underground, you want to you're cool with that.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: But one kilometer subtran no, No, multiple scans from multi
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: over two hundred.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's all the same message. They're getting the same message.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: There's pillars, enormous pillars. They have coils around them. What
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: pillars with coils? All of them have coils. And the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: whole structure is cut like almost two kilometers deep into
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the earth.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: It's a seen like laterally as well, like two kilometers
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: of infrastructure. It's like the whole underground, like help me exactly,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: copper tools. And that was my frustration when it first
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: came out because when it came out, obviously I did
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: some research into the people involved in the Kafra Pyramid team.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: I found Filippa Beyonde. I found his Harmonic Star website
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: where it has listed the things like the Mosel Dam
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: in Iraq and the Grand Sasso Laboratory in Italy, places
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: that they'd actually done scans prior to even the Great Pyramid,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: which was peer reviewed. Their twenty twenty scan of the
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Great Pyramid was a peer reviewed paper. And then you
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: fast forward to now where they've got these ones and
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: you have people like you know, Flint dibbl On, Piers
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Morgan going it's bullshit, it's pseudo science. It's never been
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: done before, it's never been tested. It's like it has
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: been done. It has been tested, it's actually got a pattern,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: it's been peer reviewed in a paper military, it's got
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: military applications. And Felippo beyonde. He works for the Italian government.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Like he's not some idiot. He's a very very intelligent man,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: and he can speak on the science of this like
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: you know, articulately.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: So its top secret project.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you call like that little scene
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: in Jesse. Yes, it's like he didn't even say can you.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Not talk about that? It just looks at him. Okay,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: well just to figure that out.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: That's that's when you know, man, that's when you know.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: But I mean, what whatever this is, everyone should be fascinated.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't be dismissing this if that's not even your
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: field of expertise. It just shows what kind of a
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: fucking weirdo you are. Like, what you should be doing
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: is going, Okay, how many scans do you have? Yeah,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: you have two hundred scans of this, Show me more,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: show me more, tell me what's going on. We should
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: probably figure out what that is. If imagine if the
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: pyramids didn't exist, or imagine if it's like, you know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the Sphinx at one point in time was mostly covered
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: with sands. Let's just imagine some crazy scenario where the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: entire pyramid structure is covered in sand and nobody knows
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: it exists, and then someone comes along and does a
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: scan of the surface of the ground and says, you're
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: not gonna fucking believe this, but this is ship on
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the day. Now, whatever it is, that's ridiculous, that's preposterous,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: and they don't look exactly, and they don't look We
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: never find the thing that we all agree exists because
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you can go there, you could visit it's there, right.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: If that didn't exist, you'd never fucking believe in a
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: million years there's a structure with two million, three hundred
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: thousand stones that's perfectly aligned the true north, south, east,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and west, and you're dating it to somewhere around fourth.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: That sounds like some science conspiracy talk to major It
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: sounds like exact cuteness.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Why is it more kooky to say these people not
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: only were this advance, they were even more more advanced,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: way more they were down into the ground two kilometers
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: it might have been a power station.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, Felipo thinks that he seems to think
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: that the spirals might have actually been tied to hydrology
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: and using mechanical stress and the piezoelectric materials used in
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: the Great Pyramid and the Plateau itself, because what you
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: have is a very interesting coupling between limestone and rose granite.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: So limestone is a very good amplifier of acoustics, and
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: rose grand it becomes electrical pizoelectric under mechanical stress, and
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: acoustics are a form of mechanical stress. So there's like
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: certainly something to be said about the fact that the
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: pyramids are acoustically tuned, like they're incredible inside the acoustics,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: and they've done lots of measurements and experiments on validating
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: that that it almost seems to go up in a
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: perfect scale up to the King's Chamber, and then the
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: King's chamber itself, I believe is focused around one hundred
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: and ten to one hundred and fifteen hertz, which is
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: interesting for neurological reasons in terms of influencing the brain.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: But on top of that you have again this incredible
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: coupling between limestone and rose quartz granite, where under the
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: right conditions you absolutely could get energetic responses from that.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: But as well as this, you have the hydrological knowledge
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: which is really quite impressive. And when you look at
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: places like the Assyrian in Abydos, which is a kind
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: of sunken down temple, we call everything a temple or
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: a sacred site, but we really don't know, do we
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: That we could be functional sites, could be a power
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: plant or some form like you said, and the Assyrian
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: in Abidos next where you have the Seti, the first temple,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: which is incredible. It's beautiful and full of calligraphy and hieroglyphics.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: And then you have this bare, faceless megalithic place called
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: the Theossyrium, which is sunken down into the ground perpetually
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: filled with water. So they've tried to pump it out
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: and it just fills back up again because it's connected
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: down into the water table. And there's all these different
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: shafts and hydrological kind of components in this site that
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: they don't understand the full function of And then you
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: look at places like the Great Pyramid, where you go
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: down to the bottom of the Great Pyramid, you have
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: like the kind of core and this whole area looks
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: like it's been water eroded, as if it was flooded
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: out repeatedly, and use some sort of like a pump
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: or some sort of like sequencing area where you you know,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: push water in and then let it out, push water
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: in and let it out. And so Filipo thinks that
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: maybe these spirals bringing water up and if you're one
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: thousand meters down, you're tapping into like ancient aquifers, So
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: you could be drawing up a really impressive amount of
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: like ancient ancient water. And I just wonder if with Peru,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: there's something incredibly important about accessing this kind of water
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: the real depths of the Earth, and they seem to
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: have a real interest in doing that. So perhaps the
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: pyramids are in some way. I mean, if these spirals
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: are real, it's like a plug, isn't It's like plugged
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: into the earth, connected down into these aquifers. Perhaps it
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: was utilizing water as an energetic medium through the materials.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I would recommend to anybody to check out Christopher Dunns.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Oh fantastic.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I had him on the podcast and he explained to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: us his theory. He's an engineer, Yeah, and he started
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: studying the structure of the pyramid and his conclusion was
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the entire thing was probably used to generate energy. And
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: it's like, what but when he breaks it down in
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: terms of I'll butcher the math if I even tribe
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: in terms of the dimensions it's made, and the fact
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: that you could have something that was down in the
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: basement that was somehow another creating a resonance right right
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: that would have this effect the shafts that go out
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: straight out into the space, and the fact that there's
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: evidence that they they would possibly use these shafts to
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: pour chemicals in and it would create gases, and well,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: this is pretty nuts.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: It is nuts. But you know I was when I
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: was not the last time I was out in Egypt,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: but the time before then. I was out there with
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: a guy called Jeffrey Drum. He's got a YouTube channel
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: called the Land of Kem and he's all about this
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: in terms of the chemical mass manufacturing that he believes
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: was going on in the pyramids and these other areas,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: and we filmed all of the coverage of that, if
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: anyone wants to go and see it on my YouTube channel,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: taking us through areas in the Giza Plateau where you
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: have an incredible concentration on the Giza Plateau of iron veins,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: and they all seem to be emanating from the pyramids.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: So if you go around the pyramids, you'll see these
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: iron vein network sort of flowing out from the central point,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: and these iron veins are heading down into what are
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: called these boat pits.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: When you see iron veins like iron ore, iron ore,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: it's on the surface, it's deep in the ground.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's some on the surface, so you can
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: actually see the snaking kind of veins of iron that's
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: kind of rusted out and oxidized, and you can you
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: can make it out, but surely it must be deeper
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: as well. But it seems to be stretching out from
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: the pyramids down into theseminating from the pyramids. So his
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: theory is that they built the pyramid. Yeah, yeah, his
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: his theory is that they built the pyramids on top
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: of these iron veins, particularly because this place was getting
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: lightning strikes frequently.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Boy.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I know, I know.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: It's a giant lightning rad dude.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, these things are built in a way, and
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: they were gold capped at one.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: Point, right, and this is a really good conductor conductor
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: of electricity for electronics, and the Giza plateau is covered
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: in these conductive iron vein networks, which the pyramids do
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: seem to be built upon.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Now this is you know, his personal theory. But you know,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: he's an American who's been living out in Cairo now
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: for about six or seven years, I believe he's been.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: He just decided to up and move out there and
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: dedicate his life to exploring these places. And so he
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: took us across, you know, all of these amazing areas
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: and showed us things I've never seen before in Egypt.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: But his theory on on the on the pyramids, it's
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: similar to Christopher Dunne in terms of some form of
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: chemical manufacturing taking place. And if you know the original
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: name for Egypt was Keemet. That's why this guy's got
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: his YouTube channel. The land of Kem Kemet is the
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: beginning of chemistry and alchemy. So this is where one
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: of the root words where we then got chemistry and
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: alchemy from so it is the land of chemistry in alchemy,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: and that's here. Ye is this, Oh, this is one
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: of his videos.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: This is the iron ores.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: So these are the Yeah, I believe he's probably highlighting
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: the iron veins and these iron veins head out into
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: what are called boat pits, which they believed. In the
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: mainstream interpretation, you're freaking.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Me out with the land of kem that's that is crazy.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: But when did they name that?
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know when it was named that, but it
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: was originally referenced as Kemet in some of the ancient
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Greek and you know, there's there's there's reference to it
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: being called Kemet k.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: H e m e t and it really means the
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: same thing.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: It's what people believe is the continuation of alchemy and
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: chemistry because you get so much alchemy from Egypt, and
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: obviously this is a place where you get Hermes Christmagistus
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: and Hermeticism and the philosopher's stone kind of leaks out
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: from these types of areas. So I think that there
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: is a lot to suggest this. Plus we actually know
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: in the mainstream that they were incredible chemists, like regardless
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: of you know, exotic forms of chemistry that we know
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: they were using acids and natron baths and things like this.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Like the Egyptians knew what they were doing, even from
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: the perspective that we understand regardless of getting a little
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: bit deeper into it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: But right, and you're talking about Egyptians like cleopatritime.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Right, so like we know that they who are doing
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: it exactorically exactly.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, That's that's why it's so strange. Like if this
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: structure is proved to be real, if they start an
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: excavation and they they have irrefutable proof, like without a doubt,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: there's some man made structures that are beyond description underneath
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the ground. What happens now, Like what does everybody do?
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Like what what do all the dorks that think that
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: that's a tomb?
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: What do you do?
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: What do you do to all those dorks that think
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: like it makes sense that they built that it was
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: a national pastime, it's a national project. Come out, bro settle.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: I think at that point you have to you have to.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the Pyramids uniquely stand as like an
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: intelligence test because they are so crazy. When you have
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: stones that are so large that are taken from quarries
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: hundreds of miles. A lot of these people supposedly didn't
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: even have the wheel. So what is this what you
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: don't think this is crazy? Like this isn't this isn't like, oh,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: we know they use the wood from these trees to
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: build these homes. Like this is bananas. This is something
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: that would take us hundreds of years today to build.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: And one of the things that is said so much,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: but I guess it's kind of shrugged off just because
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: it said so much, but he's actually a really important point
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: to highlight. There are no fucking hieroglyphs in the pyramids,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: not one. There's not a single symbol, not a single
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: element of what we would understand to be dynastic Egypt.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: And so like, you have this incredible contradiction when you
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: go to places like the Valley of the Kings and
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: the value of the queens gold, and you know it's
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: adorned in patterns. You can't see a square inch or
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: stone where there isn't something filled to venerate these people.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: And yet the pyramids are bare bear and you know
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: when you go inside them, you're gonna go to Egypt?
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna go eventually? Yeah?
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when you go inside them, it just feels mechanical.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: It feels functional. It's you know, big port culluses of
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: rose granite and these shafts going off perfectly vertical off
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: into that you can't even see. And there's nothing about
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: it that feels spiritual or funerary at all.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Just looking at it, it looks to me like an
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: advancement of what we are. That's almost like indescribable, like
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: a foul in your advancement of where we are currently.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: To build something like that, it seems so nuts, And
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: there's obviously stuff that doesn't seem as nuts. It's just
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: beautiful and impressive, you know, just like the Colosseum in
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Roman exactly, or like you know, the Cropolis, you know,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: all those things are fascinating and incredible craftsmanship and engineering
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: and architecture amazing. But then there's Egypt and you go
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: shut the fuck up, like what is that? That's nuts?
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I resent the idea that we're like taking
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: it away from them. It's like, let's just be logical
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: about this and actually assess the toolkit and assess the
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: capabilities and then look at the evidence of what we're seeing.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Also, we're not it's people that lived in the same place.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: So it's literally just the older versions of them.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: It's not like you're saying, you know, Chinese people came
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and they did it all and then they flew back exactly. No,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: that's not what anybody's saying. Your ancestors, not just the
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: timeline's off. The timeline seems funky. Clearly, there were some
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: amazing things that the Egyptians did during the accepted timeline.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, they were a fast, amazing culture, amazing all
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: through till the end. Right, But when you go really
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: far back whatever that is is nuts. And when you're
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: saying that you know exactly when it was dated, when
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: there's so much evidence of just today modern doing these
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: reconstructions and fixing and all the feet of the Sphinx,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: and they're covering it with new fucking rocks like they've
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: always been doing renovations they always do. So all this
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: stuff that you're saying, like we've got a piece of
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: wood from inside one of the cracks, Like, bitch, that
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything. You can't date those rocks unless you
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: get under those motherfuckers to the bottom and take a
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: chunk of organic material from deep underneath that thing so
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: you can know when the first stones are placed. You
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: don't know, you're guessing.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: And I think that that's why we're coming to a
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: point now, what is such resistance from the mainstream when
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: you see scans like this, because they've built themselves into
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: a wall, it would you basically have to admit, yeah,
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: we're is fucking wrong.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: You're also see them confronted by real evidence. Yeah, like
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: real evidence. And like just when someone takes you for
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: a walk inside the King's Chamber and you look up
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: at those stones that somehow they got, Like how high
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: are they in the sky? How high are they in
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the ceiling? How high are they? Do you remember?
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Oh god, no, I don't.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Sorry we eighty ton stones?
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in the King's chamber eighty tons? How tall that's
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: that is near the apex?
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Jamie, please put this into perplexity. How tall is the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: ceiling inside the King's Chamber in the Great Pyramid? Because
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: these things are perfectly placed in there. Like even if
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: you drag those somehow or another across the mountains for
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: five hundred miles and got it to the pyramid, how
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: the fuck did you get it up there?
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Exactly?
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: How'd you get them all a lineup. How many people
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: got squished? Chamber itself spans ten point five meters long
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: by five point two meters wide. How tall is the
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: ceiling nineteen feet nineteen.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Feet also, but it's also near the top of the pier.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: It's incredibly high up in the pyramid as well. They
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: have to lift it to that point.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: You have to get these eighty ton blocks nineteen feet
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: and then place them perfectly.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: And there's absolutely again, there's nothing kingly about the King's
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: chamber at all. It's just completely a bare room of
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: rose granite, with this sarcophagus coming up the out of
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: the floor with a huge chunk missing. And actually if
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: you look at where that huge chunk is missing, and
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: you turn around and you look at the wall, there's
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: actually a massive impact on the wall. There's like a
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: big part of the wall that's been broken off. So
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: it makes me wonder if maybe that was jettisoned off
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: at some point from.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Power or you know, what do you think is in
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: that what they call the sarcophagus? Do you have a theory?
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: I've been inside it, there's nothing inside of it, got
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: in it. Yeah, I've laid I laid down inside of it.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: It's kind of creepy with a grand Master of the
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Templar order chanting over me.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Oh fun.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my first trip to each of video
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: We put it up on X and no one's ever
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: gonna take you seriously, right right, Well, this guy's a
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: fucking I am.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: I am a cook. You have to be you know, Yeah.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: You have to be a kook to really do enjoy this.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: And you have to be on the fringe. And also
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: I think some of the you know, most impressive scientists
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: and creators have been people in the fringe who are
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: laughed at by all their peers.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Well, especially now, because the way the way universities work
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: is essentially there's a person that is the most important
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: person in that field right at that university, and there's
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people that want grants, and there's a
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: bunch of people that want to play nice and they
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: want their career and they want tenure. And you gotta
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: be careful who's toesy step on. And if this one
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: guy is the gatekeeper of him, or a group of
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: guys like him at various universities, or the gatekeepers to
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: this information, you're gonna come up with the current bottleneck
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: problem that we see where people are not just unwilling
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: but aggressively attacking people the questions. Yeah, which is why
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: they call Graham Hancock show the most dangerous show on television.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Like that is so crazy. You have so many shows
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: where people get murdered.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: That's the best way to make a show go viral, though,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: isn't it best way to make a show go viral?
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Don't fucking watch this show, like you know what I mean?
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Great job on the great job, but it does bring
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: up a disturbing and worrying element of it. Just how
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: quickly the mainstream media, in various outlets all aligned at
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: once to call him everything from a racist to a
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: pseudo scientist, a conspiracy theorist. And you know, it is
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: an alarming kickback that he's taken in his stride profoundly, profoundly.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: He's a wonderful guy.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: He's great. I can't wait to speak to him. I
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: literally missed him by like three days when I went
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: out to Peru. I was gutted.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: He was my first real guest.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was, isn't it?
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: And him and Duncan that must have been right from England.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: We got him to drive to my house, and then
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: once he got to my house, we ordered pizza. Pizza.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe I'm hanging out with Graham Hank. I
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: was so giddy. Bet it was like one of.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: The first actual giddy moments like that, I can't believe
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I'm actually saying with this dude.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the guests before that had mostly been comics, right,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: or some person that I thought was interesting, you know,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: some guy that I met at the comedy store. I'm like,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: what do you do? You're a therapist, and what do
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: you give people? Come on?
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Come and talk to me about?
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did a lot of those, but he was
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I think the first real guest.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Was there like a choice, like a conscious decision for
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: you to kind of like evolve it from just you know,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: comedians talking shop to actually getting different guests on from
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: a variety of subjects because I know you're a curious person.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: You've probably been researching these things even at the point
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: before you were doing that kind of podcast, because clearly
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: you were. But yeah, like what was the natural evolution
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: of that for you?
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Well? I was always into books about ancient history and
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: whether it's you know, like modernly you know, commonly accepted
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: narrative or Graham Hancock stuff, but I got into Graham
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Hancock stuff. I think in the nineties, Fingerprints of the
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Gods came out right and I fucking loved it. I
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: was so fascinated, but I couldn't shut the fuck up
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: about it or tell people like you got to see this.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I think this guy's right. I think we're we are
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: a history with amnesia or a race with And then
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: of course I watched Charoits of the Gods, that film,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: which I thought was very kookie and fun. It's very
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: campy and fun. And here's the thing about that. I
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: dismissed it for a long time and I said it's nonsense,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: and I was. I actually had lunch once. Eric Weinstein
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: took me to lunch at Peter Thiel's house where we
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: talked to Von Danakin and right, it was fun, fun conversation.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Interesting I'm talking to he's a full on true believer.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Yea of the alien theory, the ancient aliens theory and back. See,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: I've gone in like multiple stages in my cognitive dissonance.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: And for a while I was all in with the aliens,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: and then for a while I was like no, no, no,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: there was an advanced civilization and we're just a rebuilding
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: of that civilization and that's probably were so barbaric. And
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: now I'm like, why am I? Why they mutually exclusive? Yeah?
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think they are mutually exclusive.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: One point, the gods walked amongst us, you know.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Right, And that's when I see the things like the
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: tridactal mummies, and I'm like, okay, okay, okay, what is that?
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: What are we talking? Why is why is Peru so weird?
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Why do they have artwork that you can only see
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: from the sky, Like there's a lot of weird ship
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: going on here, Like don't don't be so quick to jump.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: So my point is like I have always been fascinated
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: by stories, first of all, any subject that makes you
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: ridiculous for considering it. I'm always like, what's that amount? Why? Why?
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Why is that a little bit? Even the cookie ones
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: like ghosts, Bigfoot, all the cookie ones, like why what's
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: the what's the resistance?
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: As? Tell me a Bigfoot story? Yeah, pinch of salt.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: But he he claimed that he had been told this
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: by a military guy out and a Russia that a
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: they were they were in the rec room of this
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: like Air Force bace and apparently according to this Russian
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: astronaut trainer at the Yuri Gagar and Space Center in Moscow,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: and he said that this this yetty sasquatch type being
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: apparently just waltzed in, like just walked into their rec room,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: helped itself to some water from the water thing waved
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: and then vanished. I don't know.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Was so this guy? What was his job?
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: He was a trainer of astronauts at the Yoda Gagar
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: and Space Center in Star City, Moscow.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: They probably does tim up, they did.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you're you're.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Holding onto that kind of information interesting still probably experiment
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: on you. You probably gave that guy.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Never I've never given the sasquatch thing. It's it's due
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: course in researching it. To be honest, I've been very
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: dismissive of that. But maybe I mean, maybe you know,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, like.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: The years I used to have a sasquatch bigfoot footprint,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: like a cast, like a plaster cast on the desk
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: that rest in peace. Doctor Jeffrey Meldrum, he just recently died.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: I had him on the as a guest on the
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: show wants to He's he's so crazy, I told him.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I asked him if he was so crazy, but in
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: a wonderful way. I said, if you could cut a
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: finger off to know that Sasquatch was real, would you
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: do it? He was like, yes, that's your finger. Yes,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: the information just comes out.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: You don't have to lose a finger just sitting there
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: with fingers.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I think Bigfoot was a real thing. I think that's
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: why there's something like, do.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: You think it's just like some sort of like bronche
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: of creature because so many people think it's like an
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: interdimensional being.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Or it could be that too, but I think it's Gigantopithecus. Yeah.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Gigantopithicus was an absolute real thing that we didn't even
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: know existed until the I believe it was the twenties. Yeah,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: around then teeth in an apothecary shop in China, and
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: then they started researching and finding where the dig sites were,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: and you know, they found jaw bones and indicate that
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: it was bipedal. So this is a bipedal hominid that's
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: eight to ten feet tall. Yeah, what is that?
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: That's Bigfoot?
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: And that's probably and also this thing lived around modern
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: human beings like what we are today. It lived around us.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: So imagine you see one of those things. Well, first
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: of all, you're gonna fucking run like hell, You're gonna
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: have stories. This thing lives in the woods or in
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: the jungle, stay out of this spot. That's where this
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: thing lives. And that's gonna be passed on from generation
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: to generation generation until even after they're gone. Now it's
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: just a whisper. Now, it's just a thing. It's now
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: it's a mystery man that lives in the woods.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Are they like antiquated Bigfoot stories like outside of just
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: modern yes.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, without a doubt, especially Native American cultures. That's what's
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: interesting is like Native American tribes, there's multiple obviously, many
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: different tribes, many different languages, right, they all have a
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: word for this thing. Look, let's put this into perplexity.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: How many different Native American names are there for Bigfoot?
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Because I believe Sasquatch is a Native American I don't
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: know which tribe had that. But there's multiple different names
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: for this hairy creature that lives in the woods. But
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: they don't have names for like a giraffe that lives
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: in the woods, right, they don't have like other mystical animals,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: mythical creatures just have this one. Yeah, and this one
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: is a fucking weird one.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what I mean with the interdimensional aspect, is
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: differently and just an animal even.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: From that might be real too. This is part of
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: the problem. It's like we might be dealing with multiple
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: different things. It might not even be gigantipithecus squeats scook them.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: That's right. I heard that. Oh Ma, that's right. There
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: was a movie called oh Ma, the guy who did
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the American World.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: That's just the last words you say when you see
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: big Foot.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah, uh Chai Tanka big big elder brother.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Seventy to eighty names.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Wicked, Cannibal, Oh boy, when windago wicked?
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Can wind that one wind to go?
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and yet to show how to say that, yet
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: to sow, yet to see big God. And that's a
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Navajo number. So there's a bunch of there's a bunch
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: underneath that too.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I says about seventy to eighty names when
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: accounting for the variants across fifty tribes.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, so what is that?
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: And it's the same with the alien grayes like the people.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, well and then it brings to the same thing
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: like it brings us to the same subject of what
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: if there is a way to traverse dimensions? What if
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: this is not some as simple as something gets in
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: a spaceship and it comes here from another planet. What
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: if it's coming from another place, and what if that
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: doorway is open to other things? And what if some
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: of those things are sasquatch like and under the right conditions,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: this pathway is open. Right, And maybe it's not even
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: something that actually exists, but you can see exists in
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: our tangible timeline, but you can see under heavy stress,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: under like anxiety. And imagine what gets you more stressed
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: out than being in the woods at night? Right? The
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: woods at night creates a lot of anxiety for people
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: because there's all these sounds and you're looking around, it's dark,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: you're vulnerable, especially if you live in real woods, like
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: woods that have predators. It's sketchy, and I bet there's
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: different states of mind that you would if there are.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: If there's some sort of a possibility, some sort of
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: a way that an intelligent creature can get to a
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: point where it has the technology to access other dimensions,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: it can go into other spaces. Would you even be
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: able to see it all the time? Would you only
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: be able to see it if you were, like under
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: a highly anxious state in the woods, you're kind of
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: a little freaked out, you're more open to weird things.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: And then it senses that and communicates.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: With you, well, well, sounds koky. We're dominated by our perception,
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: and we have such a narrow bandwidth of visual perception.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: You know, you get up the whole light spectrum and
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: look at visible light, just a tiny corridor of visible
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: light that we're able to see. Obviously, we've developed ir
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: and you know different, and if you film the night
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: sky with infrared, you get weird shit. You get these
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: orbs and things that seem to fly by. And I
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: think that it is a perceptual thing, because the reason
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: I even started my YouTube channel is because I've had
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: my own experiences with UFO type phenomena that were entirely
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: initiated by me. Like I asked for them to come
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: and they.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Did see that sounds cookie take that clip. I dismiss
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: you immediately quite a way for it. But this is
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: one of the things that people have been saying for
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: a long time, is that there's actual groups of people,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: and there was even some guy who was like somehow
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: another connected to the government. They were saying that they
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: lead these people out, they go out into the desert,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: and they have like some sort of a secret frequency.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: He didn't want to discuss it, that they can push out,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: they can send out the secret frequency and it'll call
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: them in, and that other people have done it simply
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: by willing them in. So sitting there and putting out
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: this message that you're trying to communicate with them and
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: then eventually they show up.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't speak to technologically assisted psionics and all
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. But do you want to hear
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: my UFO story?
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: First of all, did you come up with this idea
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: on your own or did you hear about people doing this? No?
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: I heard of it from someone who's a quite polarizing
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: figure in the UFO community. I know you've spoken to him,
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: doctor Stephen Greer.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: But polarizing people are right sometimes He's right on this. Yeah,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: they could be right in a lot on this, And.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: You know, I know that a lot of people have
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: issues with Greer, but he was actually my intro into
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: the UFO subject. So I'll tell you the story sorry
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: about my throat. Let me just take a sip wars.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: So this was how did he find out about it?
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: It's a good question. He had a near death experience, believe,
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: and from that was actually apparently communicated to and showing
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: things that when he came out of that experience, he
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: became a Samadi type, you know, teacher of course, you know,
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: got profoundly interested in great origin story, brilliant origin story.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: My origin story was I was really bored during COVID,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: so like honestly though, it was actually in twenty nineteen
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: that I had these experiences. And I do think that
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: it's very important to lay a bit of foundational groundwork
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: because I think a lot of people will recognize this
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: as well. And it's something that you mentioned with Bigfoot
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: being in a high stress environment in the forest, maybe
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: that changes your perception. And I think that there's a
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: degree of trauma and a degree of intense emotional moments
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: that can bring about paranormal experiences. I don't know why,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: but it does seem to be something that a lot
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: of people relate to. Yes, I was in a very
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: dark time. Yes I was having a very traumatic time. Well,
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: yes I was going through something and then this happened.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: And so for me, I was in my third year
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: of university and struggling. I just had a whole mix
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: of personal issues going on. So I ended up kind
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: of dropping out before I finished and was just in
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: a really bad rut. And my dad was worried about me,
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: and he said, look, I'm out in It's a bit
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: of a long story, but it's important to the latest
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: foundation I think before I talk about what I actually experienced,
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: because it plays in. My dad was worried. He was
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: out in France at the time, and he said, look,
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: do you want to come out and stay at this
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: place with me and just, you know, kind of relax
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: and bring yourself back to normal. I was like, yeah, okay,
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: So I came out and he was like, I've got
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: these books that I've been reading. I think they'd be
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: really beneficial for you. You should read them. I was like, okay, Like,
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't see how a book's going to change.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I can recommend books.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Not massively. No, In fact, no, no. This was the
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: only time he recommended books, which is interesting. And there
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: were a series of books called Conversations with God by
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Neil Donald Walls. Should you ever heard of them. No, okay,
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: so it's interesting. It kind of ties into I suppose
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: that the channeled works things that people believe they received.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, I have heard of this.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: He's quite well known. He's quite well known. He was
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: a radio DJ, broke his neck in a car accident,
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: became homeless, finally managed to get back on his feet,
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: but was still struggling. Wrote an angry letter to God,
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: and then apparently woke up at three o'clock in the
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: morning and was having like voices literally telling him to
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: write things down. As he wrote all of this down,
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: and this became conversations with God. It's literally a dialogue
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: of him asking questions and him receiving answers which he
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: interpreted as from God. Now that is intense, and I'm
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: definitely not here to say this is a Bible and
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: everyone should read it. However, it was incredibly impactful for
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: me at that time. The things that I was reading about.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: It was a very different idea of God universal consciousness,
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: leaning towards more than some weird patriarchal, cloud living figure
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: that just never made sense to me. So it got
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: me in and I was reading it and it helped
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: tremendously weirdly enough, which I didn't expect, and that put
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: me on a path towards researching metaphysics and philosophy and
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: science and consciousness. And that's where it really started for me.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: But then a couple of years down the line, I
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: found myself in another depression in a sense, because I
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: felt like I'd accumulated a lot of information about various
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: different topics. So I thought with like these big questions
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: and big answers and big esoteric things, and I just
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: got to a point where was like, none of this
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: is actually helping me in my life. In fact, I'm
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: actually feeling like fucking worse for looking into all of
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: this thing. I don't know how this is going to
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: benefit me. So I was sitting on my bed one
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: night and I just I guess you could call it
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: a prayer. I just set on my bed and set
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: out loud to the universe, like I need something that
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: validates all of this, Like if I'm meant to be
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: looking into these big picture of questions about the universe
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: and consciousness, if there's something tangible here, like I need
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: to know and I want evidence and I'm ready for it,
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: So give me. I want that. And then a week later,
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: my best friend at the time he was like, Hey,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: I was watching this documentary. You've got to check it out.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: It's called Unacknowledged by this guy called doctor Stephen Greer,
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: and this is my first introduction to the UFO subjects.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, cool, sit down and watch
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: that very good documentary, all of these different you know,
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: high level officers and missile launch guys talking about UFOs.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: It got me in. And then near the end of
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: that is when he brings up this concept of CE five,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: you know, initiating contact with these you can actually have
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: your own experiences by getting into a particular meditative state.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: If I hadn't been making that request on my bed
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: the week prior, I probably just would have watched that
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: documentary and gone about my life. But it felt like
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: a very strong message to me personally, because I've been
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: asking for something to validate these ideas around consciousness. Now
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: there's a guy saying, yeah, you can actually have an
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: experience by going out and attempting to you know, ask
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: for one.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: So tap me through the process of actually doing that.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: So he has did you get it on the first try? No?
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: He has how many times to try.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: It was a weird, gradual thing where things were happening
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: in the sky that were enough to keep me going out,
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: but not enough for me to be like, Okay, this
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: is legit.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: So how many times did you go out before it worked?
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: Before I saw what I really really saw, probably about
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: a month of going out, And that's a commitment. But
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: I was seeing things but they weren't. It was kind
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: of just enough to make me like, okay.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: What were you seeing?
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Lots of what the contact community called flash bulbs, flashes
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: of light in the night sky in a void of space,
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: repeatedly without any discernible object attached to it. Just one
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: flash and then send the thought, another flash, send the thought,
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: another flash. And this happened multiple times. I've been somebody
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: who watches the night sky all my life. I'm used
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: to seeing satellites, I know, maybe an hour or two hours,
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: And so you sit down. Are you seated? No?
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: I should be standing with my neck crane to the sky,
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: but I.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Would be want to get a lounge chair.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think about things properly. Sometimes
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: when I do.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: It, just lay down on the ground, just lay on
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: the grass. You a better view the sky.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's cold in England and it was mildewy
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: on the floor.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I was. I was essentially because of again
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: being asking, asking the universe for something, the universe seemed
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: to be giving me some sort of response. It kind
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: of lit a fire up under me, and I started
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: going outside, and honestly, a lot of people, like even Grea,
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: has this incredibly you know, complicated method using samadi and
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: you know, doing various things. I didn't do any of that.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: I just breathed in through the nose and out through
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: the mouth until I felt very calm, and then began
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: to very clearly model my thoughts around the concept of
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: I want something to respond to me, and then I
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: would essentially visualize that that was emanating from me, that
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: these thoughts were emanating from me. And it didn't take
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: very long before I'd have flashes of light in the
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: sky that just seemed weird because I've never seen anything
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: like that, or an incredible influx of what look and
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: behave like satellites, but just at an incredibly high level,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: which is like, what's going on here? And it just
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: felt like a kind of step by step progression until
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: in August of twenty nineteen, I had four incredibly vivid
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: and real experiences with orange orbs of light, really profound.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: What was that? What happened?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: So I was outside at this point it become my routine.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: It was in the summer of August and it was
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: relatively warm, so I was out doing this quite a lot,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: seeing little flashes, seeing things in the sky, trying to
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: figure out what exactly it was that I was seeing.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: And I was standing at the back of my garden
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: looking towards my house. Night sky, crystal clear, and I
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: saw at the beginning a flash of light in the
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: corner of the sky. So I looked over and I
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: saw this flash, another flash, another flash, and it was
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: just blinking, but it was static in space. And then
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: it started moving down. Every time it blinked, it would
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: move further down. And I was observing this, and then
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: it settled above two stars and kind of created the
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: apex of a triangle, and it was just flashing above
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: these two stars. And I was watching this for a while,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: and it happened for long enough where I just decided,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: all right, I'm just thank you whatever you are. I'm
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: just going to keep panning around the sky here and
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: looking around, and as I panned my head, I saw
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: that there was a cloud, but I didn't really look
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: at it. And I turn around here, come back, and
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: I see this cloud again, and this time I really
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: look at it. And this cloud Joe had so strange.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: It's like a dark cloud, but when you stared at it,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: it had a staticky appearance. It's very hard to describe
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: other than imagine a light overlay of TV static. There
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: was particles, it was agitated, it was shimmering. It'thing, not
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: a cloud like certainly not anything I've ever seen in
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: my life. And if we pretend this microphone is my
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: house and its cloud is here, it's drifting this way,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: so eventually it's going to drew passed my house and
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: go this way, at least according to its natural trajectory.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: It gets to my house and it does a right
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: angle turn and it starts coming towards me. So eventually
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: it's going to be above my head, this cloud like formation.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: A cloud does a right angle turn in the sky.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Abrupt as in ninety degrees. It's going like this, and
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: now it's going like this towards you, high up in
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: the sky. But it's now in my path, complete ninety
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: degree shift from its trajectory, and I saw it like
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: a jarring. Now it's going this way. Okay, So at
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: this point I'm rooted in place, not really scared, but
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: I'm shocked at the fact that this thing did what
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: it just did. And I'm watching as it's coming closer
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: and closer, you know, towards where I'm going to be.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: Eventually it's directly above my head. It sounds so crazy,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: and you know, Terrence McKenna said something like this. He
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: was like, you know, if you tell the unvarnished truth
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: about a UFO experience, you'll be taken for a fool.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: It's like, it's true, you know, if you just tell
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: people what really happened. But this is what really happened.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: So this cloud comes above my head. As it's directly
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: above my head, this cloud like sucked into itself, as
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: if there was a central vacuum, central point where it
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: just got sucked into itself, and it revealed a triangle
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: formation of about twenty five maybe thirty orange orbs of
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: light in a triangle. And this triangle basically the cloud
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: went triangle was revealed. It kept moving. I had to
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: turn around and watch as it went off in this direction.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: And as I was watching it, I could see that
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: some of these orbs were actually swapping formation, swapping position
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: in this formation. And that was the first time I
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: saw them. I saw them three other occasions, all within
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: the space of a month after this. Weirdly enough, I
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: woke up the next day and this is the only
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: element of the story, as crazy as the whole thing sounds,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: is the only element that makes me personally uncomfortable. I
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: was getting out of the shower and as I was
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: drying myself off, immediately immediately noticed where this tattoo is
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: now there was a triangle mark of three red three
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: red marks one here, one here, one here, very vivid like.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Tattoo.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Well, it faded, It faded over time. I have taken
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: pictures of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was it.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Clear. Yes see, I.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: Can try and find them. Yeah, I haven't got my
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: internet on right now, Jamie. If you go onto my
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: ex account and just type in uh, Jay Anderson marks
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: on arm, maybe that will come up. I'm sorry I
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: should have really sent that ahead of time, but I
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: do have images online. People have seen them, and I've
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: discussed it many times.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Did it look like a wound?
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: This is the thing, so too so three red marks,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: no bump, no scab, no itching, no feeling of discomfort.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: There was a slight shine to them, as if it
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: was almost like a healed over burn. And this was
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: very vivid. It didn't dissipate for over a year. It
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: was on my arm for about a year before it
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: faded away. Eventually faded away, and then I got home
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: his Christmasters tattooed on my mouth. But weirdly enough, I
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: got this tattoo and then got invited to Egypt. But yeah,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: I had these experiences. I had another experience where they
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: came down and hovered above my house.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I asked you this or these orbs. Yeah, there
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: you go, there you go.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: Thanks Jamie, thanks for that.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: That is Yeah, it looks like you burned three cigarettes.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: And that's what some asshole online definitely claimed.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: But I didn't. That's what I would say too. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: this is crazy.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah this this I noticed it immediately. I I'm not
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: particularly comfortable with it. I don't know what it really means.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: I really, you know, I'm a bit of it. I'm
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: a bit of an idiot, Joe because like, I, you know,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: I should have gone to a dermatologists. I should have
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: like actually had someone to look at it randed.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: But like cattle son at the same time, can I
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: always keep an eye on this one?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: Can I even be mad at them? I was like,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: show me, show me, give me evidence. I want to sign.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: Well fucking find.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Them, right, I would say, whatever that is on your arm,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: who knows, maybe a dermatologist could explain it. It's just
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: a coincidence, But the actual thing itself is far more
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: interesting to me. And like, because one of the things
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: that people always say is if they were out there,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: what wouldn't we see them? Like, God, if they could
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: come here from another dimension, or if they can come
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: here from another planet or another solar system, don't you
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: think they could probably hide? Like we're pretty good at hiding,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Like don't you think, like we have we have technology
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: right now, like the stealth bomber stuff that diminishes the
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: radar signal. You can't you can't pick them up on radar,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: So why would it be impossible to somehow another manipulate
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: your visual field project what looks like clouds on the outside.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: We know that we can do stuff like that with plasma,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: like they can they have these plasma things that could
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: spin in the sky. It's weird. They can make objects
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: out of them.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: I wonder if that was plasma. I actually do wonder
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: if this was a form of self organizing plasma, because
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: that's definitely something that people have looked into.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: Quite Maybe plasma has intelligence, Yes, there's some yeah.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, and you know, perhaps these are a form of
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: individuated plasmic intelligences that can interact. And one thing that's
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: very interesting about that. There was a brilliant paper. Actually
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: I did a video on it. It's like eleven different
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: scientific institutes looking at the idea of self organizing plasma
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: and intelligent plasma, and they were using some references like
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: do you know the STS seventy five nasamissions where the
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: tether broke and you had all these strange things going
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: around the tether. Yes, so that's dismissed as ice particles
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: and things like that. Have you ever seen the motion
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: tracking version of that where someone actually attached the flight
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: paths of each object so you can see the flight path. No,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: that's crazy because we see it. If yeah, I'm sure,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: or if Jamie looks up.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: That is a weird flight path lights are going towards
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: that thing and checking it out.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is you know, this is a gigantic
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: teather thing. It's like two kilometers long or something. Is
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: absolutely insane. It broke away from the ship, and as
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: it broke away, you had these well what some people
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: believe to be UFOs or plasmic intelligences, or if you're
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: on the mainstream side, you'd say, these ice particles. There
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: you go. If you go slightly further back, slightly further back,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: they go just as that green one starting up. This
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: is the flight path. So if you just take it
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: back to the beginning of that and this is where
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: they've attached the flight paths, and you will see complete
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: ninety degree turns. You'll see absolute stops and reversals of change.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: And it's incredible.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: I wonder if just a kind of life that we
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: I truly don't that's the case, lives in space.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: I think so, I really do, like the.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: Things they find at these volcanic vents at the bottom
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: of the ocean, Like didn't even know that something could
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: survive down here. There could be a type of life
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: that survives in the void of space. And it just
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a biological thing. It would be some
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: form of energy or light.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: This is apparently what all the spooks were telling Tom
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: DeLong when he went to the Penzagon, that there's a
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: mebas in space the size of whales, and like, you
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: know that these things were essentially I remember when he
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: was on he was on Fate's Black and he was
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: talking about, you know that there are these ambas in
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: space that.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Are like you know, but why would they tell him?
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: And then he goes on those shows and tells like
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's the type of guy that you
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: tell some things that you want to get out. Yeah,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't necessarily have to be true. No, No,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, it's more fun if it's
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: not true. And and make them say as much kookie
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: shit as possible so that the stuff that he's going
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: to say that it's true looks ridiculous.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: And now all of those guys that gave him the
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: information are on the age.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Of disclosion exactly.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: We should trust them, right, we should trust all of
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: these government spooks.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: It's fun if you're playing it's like the world is
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: a gigantic escape room. Yeah, dude, you're playing a bunch
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: of weird puzzles and you're trying to figure it out,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: but nothing is what it seems.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: I think nothings as it seems. I think we've we've
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: Tom DeLong and the UFO subject and t the Star's Academy,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: and all the things that have happened since like twenty
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: seventeen New York Times. It's I have I have opinions
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: on it because I think I might be the first
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: guest that you've had on that wasn't already quite established.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: So I've had to work my way up through social media,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: through the interactions in the community, to you know, personal
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: relations of people that aren't big names or anything like that.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: You know, I've had to work my way up it.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: So I've seen and been exposed to things that perhaps
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: people like Jeremy Corbell and others who are already quite
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: big names haven't seen because they're too big. They don't
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: need to be on social media looking at fucking comments
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: or like, you know, what's going on in the X space.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: But if you are like that, you start to notice things.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: And so what's interesting to me despite what anyone wants
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: to say about Stephen Greer, and I've got my own
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: issues with Stephen Greer. What's interesting to me is that
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: the only person really who was making noise prior to
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: TTSA with Stephen Greer, he was the one that was
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: putting out Netflix documentaries that were getting seen by millions
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: of people all over the world. And he was saying,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: you know, these are black budget, illegal programs. This is
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: a anti congressional crime against humanity. We need to be
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: busting down the doors. This is, you know, not exactly
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: what they would want to hear if they were inside
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: the National security statements. This guy out there saying this,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: what do you do about that? Well, Jinnahow Tom DeLong
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: got linked up at the very beginning to all of
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: this no So he's always been a UFO guy, and
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: because of his background and you know, the money, he
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: was able to secure connections and he was very friendly
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: with Greed. He was best buds with Greer at one point.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: In fact, there's a video of him when he's quite
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: young and he's pointing out all of the witness UFO
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: witness tapes that he's got his in his library and
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: he's like, you know, these are all I'm holding onto
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: these For a guy he's got like fifty whistleblowers. He's
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: bringing this all out. And this is before Greer, you know,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: kind of made the announcement, so it's obviously Greer and
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: Tom Delong's on Fade to Black and I want to
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: say twenty fifteen talking about this where he tells the
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: story of how a friend of his at Lockheed Martin
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: calls him up and says, hey, we're having a family
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: and friends meet and greet over at Lockheed Martin. Would
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: you want to introduce the bosses to the stage And
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: he said, yeah, but I want ten minutes with your
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: bosses afterwards. And they were like okay, and so he
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: went and he introduced them on stage, and then he
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: tells the story of being taken through you know, these
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: white noise corridors and down into this place where eventually
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: he was chilling with the guys at Skunk Works and
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: you know, these big directors are all sitting in this room. Okay,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: what is it you want to talk about? This is
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: where he pictures to the Stars Academy of Arts and
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: Science and this framework. And what's interesting is on the
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: radio when he's talking about this, he's saying, you have
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: to approach these guys like you want to be of service.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: You know, I was saying, I'm being of service. I
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: want to I want to help. I want to help.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: So you've got a disruptive, rogue person out there, Stephen
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: Greer saying all this stuff causing commotion. What do we
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: do about that? I have no idea. Suddenly, in Walks
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: of Rock Star, use me, because that's basically what he said,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: use me. I'm happy to do whatever. I am your
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: conduit into the public now. No disrespect Tom, I've met him.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: He's a lovely guy, and I'm very passionate about the subject.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: But I do think he was used. And what you
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: get from there is the Two the Stars Academy platform.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: Suddenly you have this official kind of greenlit disclosure, very
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: soft disclosure. It's nothing like Stephen Greer's disclosure. And we're
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: all being encouraged to partake and support in this very
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: which we say, curated method of soft disclosure. For the people,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: I think that they were very worried about what type
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: of disruptive truths might come out before it was time
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: to talk about them. And then suddenly Tom DeLong was
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: a very useful medium for communicating this. And when you
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: see things like the Hey Leaks emails between him and
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: John Podesta, where he's literal rely saying, this is about
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: bolstering pr for the military industrial complex from a disenfranchised youth.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: And you know, the generations of youth today don't trust
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: the government. We want to change that. We want to
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: change the perception of the military in the government. He's
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: literally emailing John Podesta about this. So it's very clear
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: that at the very least he was willing to be
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: the messenger of whatever message they wanted to give him,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: and it just so happens that that message completely counteracts
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: what Career is talking about in terms of classified black
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: budget programs that already cracked reverse engineering. We cracked anti
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: gravity in October nineteen fifty four, you know this kind
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: of stuff. It's like complete reversal of that narrative.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Interesting, yeah, interesting, well makes sense. That's what's the term
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: useful idiots.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: It's for idiot.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they love doing that. Yeah. You know, I've said
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: it before, I'll say it again. I know I've had
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: people on this podcast who are doing that with me,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: and I know they were coming on same a bunch
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: of nonsense, but you have to let them talk because
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: for sure the truth comes out wash. And I think
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: what's interesting about the age of disclosure is this narrative
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: of the reality of what happened. If it did happen,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: there's line to Congress, there's misappropriation of funds. You're gonna
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: need amnesty, and so this is the narrative. This narrative
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: is we need amnesty. It's like it's kind of a
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: smart way to do it. Do it in a documentary.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Have all these people that are probably implicated in some
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: way say we need amnestry all these people that say
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: that they know about these programs with amnesty is important
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: because you know, these people have been but what they've
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: been doing. Really, if they have been doing what we
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: assume they've been doing, we assume they've retrieved crash UFOs
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: and they've back engineered them. We assume they've used that technology.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: We assume they're aware that there's non human intelligences that
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: are far beyond our technological capabilities and that we interact
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: with them. You you've committed a crime against humanity by
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: not telling people of that. Because we we all operate
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: under the assumption that we have an understanding of what
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: our role is in this this ecosystem of life, and
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: if our role is not even remotely at the apex,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: if we are being visited and manipulated, and if we're
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: actually a product of experiments, you should fucking tell us.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: You can't. You guys can't be hanging out at raytheon
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: in the conference with your gold rolexes. You motherfuckers right
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: the truth. But they are right with the amst thing.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: I think that's the pathway. I mean, it's these guys
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: are not gonna what they stole. They stole, Okay, what
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: they did, they did, what the line of Congress, the
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: lives have been told. Let's fucking find out what the
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: truth is. These guys they're whatever they did, they did. Okay,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: you didn't stop it, then let it go. The more
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: important thing is let's find out if this is real.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: It's more important than everything for the race, for the
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: human race, the entire human race, and the science and technology.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: To have all this stuff locked down like that and
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: not allow the great young minds that are coming up
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: right now to have access to this. It's crazy. You're
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: you're wasting one of the most valuable resources that we
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: have with secrecy.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: I think there's so many different reasons why they might
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: want to keep this a secret in terms of breakthrough
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: energy and propulsion systems, Like there's so many different implications
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: to that. Massively disruptive, massively disruptive, and you know, could
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: you imagine some like whacked out fucking dude with a
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: zero point energy device like.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Or you imagine a guy who's running an oil company
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: who finds out that they're about to do something like that,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: Like the fuck you are this guy and mit that
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: just got assassinated in his home.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: Dude, this is the wet works in the corporate world
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: is very real.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: This is very real. This guy was He One of
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: the more disturbing theories he had was that not only
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: is the shift of the magnetic poles that here, I'll
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: send it to you, jambs, but his his take on
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: it was that the shift of the magnetic poles is
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: necessary in order to maintain Uh, well, I don't want
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: to suck it up.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: Well like a natural earth cycle. Yeah, that has to happen.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm trying to think and look it up
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: at the here it is. I'll send it to you, Jimmy.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Sorry for the dead air folks. Okay, so it says
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: the assassinated mit plasma. Scientists warned that Earth requires periodic
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: magnetic reversals to sustain its field. Interesting, no reversal equals
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: no dynamo equals the magnetic field dissipates the last time
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: this happened in this in the tweet, it says Noah's flood.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: So some weather man.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: Oh I know both these guys, this guy who has
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: Google whistleblower.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is that not loading the clip last?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: But physics one O one fluid description.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: It seems like the clip's not Okay, let's hear what
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: you have to say. It's really interesting. Shit man, you.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 6: Mentioned that the Earth, the earth magnetic field was constant
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 6: in the last years, right, so yeah, is it right
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: that the Earth has lost ten percent of its magnetic
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: field in the last one and fifty years?
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: And come so excellent question, Alec, thank you. So when
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: I say that the Earth's make that the feel has
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: remained roughly constant, what I mean is, if you look
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: over long ish time scales, it's its magnitude is roughly constant.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: So of course it varies, right, and it reverses sometimes, right,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: and those reversals of the Earth's magnetic field, so you know, reversal,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: meaning the north pole becomes the South pole and vice versa.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: So those happen, and there's even interesting stories you can
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: tell about how those reversals of the Earth's magnetic field
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: correlate with many ice ages and things like this. Okay,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: but the sort of the idea is that if you
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: average over these periodic reversals, right or fluctuations, the amplitude
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: of the field has remained roughly constant. And the idea
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: is that if there was no induction, if there was
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: no dynamo working, you would you and I wouldn't be
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: talking right. The magnetic field would have diffused very quickly,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: right within ten to five years, the Earth would be
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: left without a magnetic field, and the Earth's magnetic field
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: protected from cosmic radiation, right, and if you were open
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: to that radiation, we well, you wouldn't be here, like
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: I said, nor would I.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you very much.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Wo And they just put bullets into that dude, Well,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: like you know, it could listen. It could have been
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: a robbery. We don't know. I mean, Massachusetts has a
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: lot of robberies. We've got a lot of It's one
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: of them East coast liberal run cities it's got a
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: crime problem, completely fucked. And I'm sure you know as
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: am I t. Professor has probably lived nice.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's possible, it's possible.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: But it also is possible that somebody killed him and
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: imagined that they killed him because he's telling us a
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: it's about to reverse its magnetic poles and we might
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: be fucked. A cataclysm might be coming.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: Well, this is this is what I think there was
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: a knowledge of in deep antiquity. There was a knowledge
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: of cycles of earth cycles, and they were preparing for it.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: You know, why why are these structures built in a way?
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: Does anti seismic? This resistant to incredible force?
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Theos who I'm on.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: That's a woman is such a good example of that.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: It's really an incredible example. I mean that the level
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: of ingenuity and also the fact that they're finding that
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: these walls go way deeper, right, because not just the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: excavation where they're going deep down and finding new blocks
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: of stone, but just the walls. There's key excavations going
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: on around the walls. They just keep going. Now, so
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: it's like this this place was buried, maybe a lot
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: of earth push up and you know, submerged into the ground.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: Clearly this place experienced some form of global upheaval. And
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: what's really weird about a place like Peru, for example,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: is that prior to the well at the end of
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: the Last Glacial Maximum around nineteen thousand years ago, when
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: the Earth started to warm up again, there were certain
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: climatologically stable corridors, and Peru was one of those areas
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: which was actually quite clams logically stable. So at the
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: end of the LGM, the Last Glacial Maximum to the
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: Younger Dryss, it's about six thousand plus six thousand change.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: Now we've taken ourselves from horse and cart to supercomputers
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: in less than one hundred and fifty years. So the
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: idea the areas of the world that had stability for
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: about six thousand years couldn't create something incredible, and then
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: the younger Dryest comes and it takes it all away.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: For the most part, it's very provocative in Peru because
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: of again the existence of the infrastructures that are very
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: quite pristine actually and still standing, very simple, and yet
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: they are surrounded by broken megalis and you know, multiton
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: structures that have gone through incredible damage.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: And what I was getting at when I was saying
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: about that area, is the way the stones are interlocked
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: would protect it against earthquakes.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dissipate the force for all these different areas. It
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: allows for the force, for the kinetic force to dissipate
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: through the structure instead of it being focused and blowing
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: apart one area of it. So it's clearly done for
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: the purposes of trying to prevent massive amounts of force.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: Where would they get that type of a concept from.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: It makes me wonder. It makes me wonder if they
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: did have a knowledge of great cycles. You know the
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: Adam and Eve story, you know, the whole thing that
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: was like classified by the CIA for a minute, the
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: Adam and Eve story. It was classified by the It
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: was listed on their Freedom of Information at library right.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: What was that again?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: It was it was a deep research into cycles, great
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: cycles of cataclysmic destruction on Earth by a guy called
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: His name was chan Thomas, but I think that was
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: a pseudonym for a fake, not real name. And he
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: actually had the beginning of it like a series of
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: people he had listed who without whom this book would
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: not be possible. And it was like, you know, top
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: five star generals, and like it's like, okay, so you
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: know this, this guy had the you know chan Thomas,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: the Adam and Eve story. It's all about this great
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: cyclical cataclysm that does take place every was it like
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: twelve thousand years or something like that, and that the
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: ancients had a knowledge of this. And I think that
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: this is something that we will probably begin to realize,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: is that somewhere in deep antiquity there was a level
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: of knowledge that is very contradictory to what we understand now.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: And I think places like prough, places like Egypt and
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: others Malta, go Beckley, Tepe. Of course, it's becoming very
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: palpable that there was something before this.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Also, when you see the spikes of the Earth's temperature,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: when you see those ups and downs, those glaciers and
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: those warming periods, like what is there a uniform time
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: in between those spikes.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: In terms of is it like predictable? I don't know.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: It's like every twelve thousand years, it gets a little funky,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: twelve years comes back.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: Right, this is but this is again, this is one
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: of the things that people in like you know, the
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: conspiracy world, would say they're keeping from us, They're keeping
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: this knowledge. Yes, there are twelve thousand year cycles and
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: we are just not being allowed to know that knowledge.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: But that seems I don't know. Well, well, they have
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: models of the past exactly, you know, few core samples
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: and things along those lines. But we do know that
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: it's never static, and we do know that there have
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: been these periods, and they do look like like you know,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: a strange graph. It's not a flat line, like, look,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: it's all getting warmer. No, it's it's always crazy. So like,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: what is causing these dips and these rises and these
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: these weird periods that seem to be rhythmic, you know
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's not like there's an immense time
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: of heating and then a small time of right right,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: and then No, it's it's up and down and up
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: and down.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: But it's almost like the heartbeat of the planet, isn't it.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: You look at the planet as a as some form
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: of conscious entity. Yeah, certainly capable of producing conscious beings
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: on top of it. So I wonder about that and
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: the mycelial network and these these kind of elements to
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: the planet that almost seem like neurological architecture.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: Well, even if you could look from from afar. If
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: you could like have the concept of the Earth, like
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: the water's moving, the clouds are moving.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: It's like a live thing almost.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: Obviously it's not moving because it's tissue, but that doesn't
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: mean that there's not a force that's all connected and
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: working in harmony exactly. Yeah.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean that's why I think plasmic intelligence is
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: very interesting because it's this idea that a self organizing
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: plasmic structure could in some way create consciousness inside of it.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: And we don't understand where consciousness comes from. We still don't,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: so it's very open to the idea of possibility, you know.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: You know, I've spoken some pretty interesting scientists like doctor
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: salvat Or Paisse. He's the guy that was responsible for
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: the you know, the UFO US Navy UFO patents that
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: got put out a few years back, like underwater undersea
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: plasmic generators and things like this. He was a US
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: Space Force engineer, and he is very much of the
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: opinion that plasma itself is capable of becoming conscious, not
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: conscious on its own, but ninety nine percent of the
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: observable universe is made out of plasma ninety nine percent. Okay,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: isn't it weird? How we get taught about solids, gases,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: and liquids, but not plasma, the fourth state of matter
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: that's ninety nine percent of the universe. Why are we
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: taught about that in school? That's weird, weird?
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: Do you do you ever remember being taught plasma in school? Well?
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: When did they start learning that?
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I don't know, but it's certainly before
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: my time in school. I didn't get taught it, you
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: know what I mean?
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: So why would they are you? Are you saying that
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: they perhaps are hiding this?
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: I think that there's things within plasma physics that are
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: so novel and exotic, self organizing evos, exotic vacuum objects
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: and the science that they're studying in. Have you ever
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: heard of the Sapphire project. No, it's kind of gone
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: quiet now how put off got involved with it? For
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: a minute, Where they're, you know, claiming to bottle the
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: stars and they're creating these plasmic, you know, self organizing
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: plasmas inside these chambers that they were claiming could transform
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: metals from one metal into gold or you know, like
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: transmutation of elements and complete revolution of propulsion and energy
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: and then it just fizzles out.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: I always wondered about that, Why were people really trying
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: to make gold? That seems so crazy that you think
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: you could make something like that? And I always wonder
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: did maybe somebody used to make it? And they have
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: like this story of how people used to make gold,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: Like if there was like imagine the caps of the
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: Great Pyramids are in gold, right and some what if
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: they made that gold? Right? Right? What if? What if
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: they had gotten to It's not impossible to assume, like
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: if the Earth creates gold, it's not impossible to think
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: that we could take the elements of the earth and
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: creak gold as well. It's got to be a way
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: to do it, a way to do it. Is there
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: a way to create gold currently?
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: That's a good question.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: Let's uh put that into a sponsor. How do you
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: make good change?
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: Well, let me sure you what I asked first, uh
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: the alchemy history of gold, and automatically brought up ancient
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: egypt metallurgy, ending four classical elements.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: WHOA, So there is some sort of earth, air, fire,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: and water and you make gold.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: That spread to Greco and Roman texts via the Islamic
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 4: world in the eighth century where they made experimental methods.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: So for I mean, gold plating is maybe what they're
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: getting at.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: Unless they were trying to create gold.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of alchemy is also kind
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: of personal algre alchemy of the soul, and so it's
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: not always necessarily meant as a physical thing turning base
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: metals into gold. It's more about turning you base human
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: into a golden person. Like a lot of the times
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: in alchemy, it's more about the personal development of your
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: spirit and your soul.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: Maybe science, they're clearly talking about metallurgy.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean like right here.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: So but I mean, if if gold was a valuable
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: if it's about valuable part of technology, which it is,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: and it had conducting aspects to it, it's very conducive
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: or it's very it's good at conducting conductive, Yeah, and
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: you can make it modern methods. Particle accelerators like serns
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: large hydron collider achieve this by slamming lead nuclei together
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: in near miss collisions, generating intense electromagnetic fields that deject
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: three protons from the lead a two protons to form
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: gold seventy nine protons. The Alice experiment detected up to
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: eighty nine thousand gold nuclei per second during lead lead runs,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: totaling or lead lead runs I'm sure, which totaling twenty
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: nine picograms over years, trillions of times less than needed
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: for visible amounts. WHOA, that's crazy, trillions visuals. The early
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty Glenn Seaberg transmitted bismith into gold isotope using
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: carbon and neon beams at Lawrence Berkeley Labs.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: Maybe they used the pyramids for lightning strikes, great gold
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: iron ore streams, and next thing you know, you get gold.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: That's why I had so much gold.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, who knows, who knows what they figured out.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: We should be able to ask these questions and they'll
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: be well, it's certainly fascinating.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: It's certainly fascinating that people have been obsessed with the
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: possibility of making gold. Obviously it's because gold is rare
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: and very valuable. But here's the question. Why is gold
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: very valuable? You can't make a weapon out of it?
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: Like how did it rise to prominence?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: Isn't there like some like translations that you know from
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: like the Old Sumerian Babylonian text where it's kind of
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: like we made to mine goal for that. That's all
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: zach zach Chich, right.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Zacharie Hitchen, though, is very controversial. I'm too stupid
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: to know who's right, but I do know that I
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: always when I talk about Zachary, I always talk about
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: the website. Sitchen is wrong. Doctor. Yeah, so there's a website.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: It seems like he was the only one that was
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: buying into that. And you know, when I talked to
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: Wes Huff, he doesn't even think that Zacharai Sitchen could
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: actually read Sumerian, just fucking guessing. Well, it might be.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to disparage the Great Man
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: because he's not with us anymore, but he might not
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: have been totally honest, or he might have been convinced.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: You know, some people just become true believers. Yeah. For
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: what he is saying, essentially is that he tried to
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: learn Sumerian and West knows many different ancient languages. Like
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: he's a brilliant, brilliant guy. He's like, I couldn't figure
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: it out. I couldn't figure it out. I couldn't do it. Now,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: obviously there have been translations of Samerian. There are people
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: that can do it. It's incredibly difficult, and it's also
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: apparently not related to any other languages because it's so ancient.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: It's weird. And then the cunia form and all that.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: So it's like, good luck, good luck figuring out what
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: they were saying.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: I know, I always wondered how you like actually kind
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: of come to those positions on it.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: It's it is incredibly complex, and the only people that
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: really know are the people that are that deep into
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: it that they can read it as well. And they
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: don't seem to agree with him. But at the end
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: of the day, like whatever whatever was going on over
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: in that part of the world, they had a lot
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: of discussions of things that came from the sky. They
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: had a detailed map of the Solar System, which is
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: very weird. A five thousand plus year old detailed map
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: of the Solar system with all the planets Jupiter, Mars, Earth.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: It's like, what's that? How are you achieving this? What
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: are these giant people with monkeys on their laps.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know, Gilgamesh holding a lion like it's
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: a little cat. Yeah, and loads of statues and.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: Why all these dudes have wings, very.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: Very typically dismissed as kind of like, you know, oh,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: it was just a you know, an intellectual giant, right,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: you know, giants of power regality. It's like, okay, but
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of them. There's a lot of references
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: all across the to these giants. So you know, I
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: find that very interesting. And you know.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: The reality of fossils, this is the reality of fossils.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: There is a tiny, tiny amount of all the things
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: that die that leave a fossil. Most things don't leave
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: a fossil when they die. They get absorbed by the earth,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: eaten by scavengers, bacteria, you rod away, the sun bleaches
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: your bones, and it's over. Within a few hundred years.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: There's nothing left. Occasionally you get lucky and someone or
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: a dinosaur gets falls into a bog and you get evidence.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: But if you don't get that evidence, it doesn't mean
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: it didn't exist, you know, And exactly, the giant one
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: is a weird It is a weird one. It's a
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: weird one because there's so many depictions in ancient literature
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: of giants of giant beings, and you gotta wonder. Okay,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: we're talking about like men from Iceland? Right, are we
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: talking about giants that are just enormous human beings like
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: those big chads, But those dudes that do those strong
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: man competitions, they all like the mountain. Those guys all
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: live in Iceland, from Iceland?
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: All right, what the fuck.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: Is that about?
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: Exactly?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what is that about?
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: Vikings? Right? They were the Vikings and that's what's left.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: But is it that? Are we talking about that? Or
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: we talk about another race of human that's even larger?
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: And if they found it, do they tell us, Like
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: they tell us about certain they tell us about Dennis Ovins,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: similar to us. They tell us about Homo julienne, similar
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: to us, just a little bit bigger. They've had a
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: fucking four foot skull. Do they tell us.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: What it's like? There's like snippets, isn't there from the
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: Black and White days nineteen twenties where the Smithsodian kind
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: of quickly cover things up and like this is very much.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: The giant bones, like the bones from a giant human.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this seems to be.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: There's there's all these Native American stories about giant right headed.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: Humans and you know in the burial mountains. Yeah, supposedly.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing is, like, this is the real question.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: Would if archaeologists stumbled upon a four foot head and
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: they were under the you know, the guidance of the university,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: would they shut it down? That's such a good Would
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: they release it? I am fascinated by the fact that
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: I have to ask that question. Yeah, yea, because I
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: would assume that if archaeologists found right, of course, they
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: would release it. We have found evidence of a giant,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: like a giant human being, and this might be one
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: the first one we find. It might have been a
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: whole race of them that existed twenty thousand years ago.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would they tell us?
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know, child, That's what's weird is we don't
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: know if they would tell us. Know, if they would
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: tell us, they might not the government might step in
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: and say you are not allowed.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing is, it might supersede just academic
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: circles and archaeology. It might get a lot bit more serious.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: Why the implications of our ancient history and you know
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: what exactly was taking place. I am fascinated by some
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: areas that seem to have a level of kind of
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: like theologic reference to them. So you know, you know
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: the Book of Knock and the Watchers and they descend
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: down on Mount Herman in baal Beck. Right, So that's
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: bal Beck, which is baal Beck, the lord of the
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: Beca Valley and Baal the storm god, like the one
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: that everyone you know talks about the sacrifices to.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: Baal It's also the place that has these insane trillion stones.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: I was just about to mention them. Yeah, that's it,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: the trilithans, the eight hundred to one thousand tons eight
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: hundred to one thousand tons apiece.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: They're not even laying on the ground.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: No, they've been lifted up. They've been lifted up quite significantly.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: And this is the thing, man, It's like, you know,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: some somewhere like this, so you've got this weird story
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: about this is basically thirty miles away from there is
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: Mount Herman, where the watchers apparently came down from the
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: sky fuck. And then you got these impossible blocks in
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: this and the quarry there as well. The quarry there
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: you have like the stone of the Pregnant Woman, which
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: is like one two hundred and fifty tons, and there's
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: another one there that's like one thousand five hundred tons
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: like these were never fully excavated, but they're there getting ready,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: and they've just been documented in situ. But then, yeah,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: three hundred meters up the road or less is the
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: Temple of Jupiter, which again mainstream academics will attribute to
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: first entry Romans. But the first entry Romans had like
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: wooden pulleys and like little wooden cranes, like this is insane.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: This is an eight hundred to one thousand ton block.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: Three of them that were lifted up. I think it's
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: like at least like twenty meters or something, you know.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: J show us the photo of it.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: I always love, especially if you can find one with
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: a human being standing in it, like Corsetti, if he's
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: like goody ones, like, it's phenomenal. How big these are.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: It freaks me out.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy to think that they we believe they
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: use some sort of stone tools, tools and pulleys. It's
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: and you got it out of the quarry, how well, then.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a brilliant place. So that's Alient and
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: Tambo in Peru. Fantastic area which I'll be showing in
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: my next episode of Ancient Technology.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: It's the Trillium stone.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: Stones, yeah, bull Beck.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: And one of the interesting things of Corsetti was saying
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: is like, that's not even a place where they take
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of tourists to. So you see the person
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: and then look above how big those stones are.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: This is not sensible to attribute to first century right.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: Now, go back to just the Lebanon ones. That's it.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: They are so big.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: That one, and then there's a good black and white
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: one we see with the yellow. Yeah they go. The
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: two little dudes sitting on top of them crue absolutely phenomenal.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: And then you know the smaller blocks on top that
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: is first century Romans, absolutely without a doubt. There is
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: obvious evidence. With the Temple of Jupiter, Yeah, they built
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: it on top of an ancient, ancient foundation which they
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: were not capable of doing.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: Probably a landing pad.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: That's what so many people say that, you know, whatever
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: I post like anything, it's like, there's a landing pad,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: spaceships landing pad. But it what's crazy about that as well?
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: Just a real quick aside, well not even an aside,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: isn't it. Addition to that is that Okay, so the
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: mainstream attributes it's the first century Romans but then the
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: Romans liked to brag about all the things they did,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: and third century Romans bragged about the Laterinobylisk that's now
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: sitting in Rome, and the Laternobelisk is about three hundred
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: and fifty to four hundred tons. That's the heaviest recorded
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: lift in Roman history. These are eight hundred to one
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: thousand tons. They never even mentioned them. So it's weird
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: that we attribute it to Romans. But it's because we
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: within our model for history. We can't not if we're
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: going to listen to academics, right, So you have to
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: then invoke fringe theories.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: I had a Rep. Luna on the podcast. Oh yeah,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: and she's the one who really got me to read
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: the Book of Na.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: She's dicking in.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's digging in. She's all in on the UFOs.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: I know, yah, I mean, is she useful to them?
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe it's hard to know.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: When I started reading it. Now, if that was included
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: in the Bible, if they had, because it really is
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: was rabbis they decided that it didn't. I with the
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Torah right right, right, And so they said no, no, no,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: this one's not. If that was in the Bible. That's
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: what we were taught.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: Things will be different.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: THEA came down. But meanwhile, that is in the same
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: area of Cumran written down as the Book of Isaiah.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: So all these things that are included in the Bible,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: that's that's there, that's all the same world. Why are
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: we ignoring some of it? Like that's really crazy? Why
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: ignoring the stuff that seems the most kookie.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: Again, I think that there's probably may be disagreements because
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there's so there's so much change
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: for the biblical cannon from all of these different you know,
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: councils at the Council of Nicey Year, all these different
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: sensorings and changing of of the of the of the Bible.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: It's probably personal issue. It could be something as simple
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: as just someone who personally did not believe that that's
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: bullshit removed that that's not real. There's no way they
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: were giants. But I love how at the beginning of
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: the Bible, it's like there were giants in those times
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: and the times before anyway all over even never mentioned
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: it again, like in any sort of real context of it,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: Like you know, David and Goliath in a few situations,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: but no I really am starting to wonder if there
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: was a giant race that was I think there was.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: I really do the Native American depictions alone, Yeah, there's
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: too much story, too many stories of enormous men that
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: they had to kill.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and their history, their oral tradition goes so
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: far back.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean imagine we're talking ten thousand. Yeah, but
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: now that we know that human beings lived in North
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: America twenty two thousand plus years ago, right, So the
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: fossilized footprints that they found in New Mexico, so that's
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: twenty two thousand years So imagine if twenty two thousand
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: years ago these things were a real thing. How many
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: of them have you found? You haven't found any bones
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: of humans from twenty two thousand years ago in North America,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: have you? No? Right? So, why exactly does the Smithsonian
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: have them these motherfront pers If they really do have
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: a giant down there, I think imagine they probably did.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine there's like a there's a tomb that
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: you have to go into. It's like a vault that
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: cranks open the vault.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: It's like the history version of Area fifty one.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: You see a fucking head the size of this table,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: and you're like, what.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: That's what we're dealing with. That's what we're dealing with. Yeah.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we had to kill them off maybe, which
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: totally makes sense. Why would you let that motherfucker live?
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: You got a ten foot tall, twelve foot tall, it's
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: a problem. Yeah, two thousand pound human eats people.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: That is a problem. I wonder, you know, I always
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: get this because like the Watches themselves are never described
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: as giant beings, right, I wonder where the giant came
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: into the equator, Well, just compared to them. Maybe maybe
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: there was slight aliens like alien grays or something.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: And you know, well look at the description of the
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: nephilimb how they destroyed everything. Yeah, like they created this
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: this thing that consumed everything, destroyed everything, including mankind. Like
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: was that sound like it sounds like us? That's not
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: like us?
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: Sounds like us?
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: Right? And also like you're saying man like mankind? What
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: are you saying? Are you saying aliens? Are you like?
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: Who wrote this? Like? What is mankind? What does that
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: term mean? I bet you're not saying man I bet
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: you're probably using an ancient language to describe whatever the
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: dominant force was at the time that's writing all this down.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: What are we talking about? What is these watchers? They
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: made it with humans? So what are they? And they
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: created something that destroyed everything? What? So okay, what is that?
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? And doesn't that sound exactly
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: like humans? Like what do we do? We fucking destroy everything?
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: We destroy everything, We light things on fire, we suck
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: all a fish out of the ocean, we throw a
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: garbage in it. Were we are so destructive that we're
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: so consuming we consume. You know, we're one of the
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: only animals that dies because we eat too much.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: Right on the exacts, Yeah, well I'm one of the
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: We are the only example on this planet of the
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: level of intelligence that we have. I mean, it's just phenomenal,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: I mean really quite phenomenal when you consider all of
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: the various avenues of evolution that have been given the opportunity.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: We have a massive leap, ye phenomenally.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: But a leap that has to in some way have
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: been intervened with, in my opinion, and it's such a
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: quantum leap in our ability of cognition and the brain size.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, I do find the stoned ape theory very interesting,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: and you know the concept of using psychedelics, and I
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: think there's a role to play in that for sure.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: But I just think that when you have such a
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: novel trajectory change from every other creature, every other animal
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: on this planet, that tells me that there is something
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: fundamentally accelerated in humans. And whether that can just be
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: put down to shamanic use of psychedelics, I don't know.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: I think that when you invoke again all of these
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: various theologic stories, it becomes clear that something was interfacing
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: with us, and perhaps at one point we were interfacing
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: with them and there was a communication and a relation
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: that has since long degraded after you know, cataclysmic outreaches,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: and you know.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: I think the evolution that came out of psychedelics and
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: primitive man was the escape from the barbaric nature of
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: our roots. I don't think it's necessarily the development of
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: the human brain. I think it's probably a way to
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: also a way to use the human brain with its
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: primate background, but soften the ego right and endorse a
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: feeling of community, like in promote a feeling of community
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: and love and the connectiveness that you get from psychedelics,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: so it will allow you to traverse the timelines between
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: incredibly barbaric hunter gatherers with stone tip tools to agrarian
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: societies where people are all living together and cooperating. And
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: it makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is the
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: giant leap to being a human in.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: The first place. No, it's kookie, it.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: Is, and it's in the Bible at least it's in
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: the Book of It's. The crazy part about it is
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: that they literally describe what we're and not just us.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: Many people have theorized like, have we been a product?
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: Are we a product of genetic manipulation? Are we a
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: product of accelerated evolution?
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 3: Well, again my own experiences, I just feel like there
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: is quite obviously a vast intelligence spectrum out there, in
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: my opinion, and I think it goes beyond our own
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: perception of space and time, and I think that there
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: are likely things that can come in from, you know,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: realms that we just don't really believe are real, like
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: the astral and you know, even the realm of the
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: imagination is an interesting thing. What is this place inside
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: of our heads that we can instantaneously create anything we
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: want and all things, including everything on this table, once
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: came from inside someone's mind, like we are excreeters of
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: ideas into reality. We kind of render reality into something
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: that nothing else does. And I think that there is
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: a spark within us that speaks to what people would
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: call a divine spark for sure, And maybe that is
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: a divine spark. Maybe it's a highly intelligent race that
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: intervened and it gave us that spark. But we are
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: entirely different. And I do think that as we begin
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: to get deeper and deeper into kind of like the
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: physics of our reality and our fundamental connection to it,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: we start realizing that our physiology, our body is like
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: an antenna. It's like a technology. It's an instrument for
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: picking up on signals and perhaps even consciousness itself. I
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: don't know if you're familiar with microtubules and the orchestrated
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: objective reduction theory by Stuart Hamroff and Sir Roger Penrose.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: How many times you bring that up to people and
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: they go, oh, yeah, I know, I.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: Know exactly what well. I hang out with some weird
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: fucking people, but I just thought it might have come up.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: I definitely have heard Duncan tross Or say to you microtubules. Man, yes, microtubules.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: So I did an interview with an anesthesiologist called Stuart Hamroff,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: and him and Sir Roger Penrose developed a model called
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: the orchestrated objective reduction theory or or o R looking
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: at microtubules, which are these tiny helical structures inside our neurons.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: And I forget the exact metric, but it's something ridiculous
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: like ten thousand microtubules per neuron. So it's just, you know,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: this incredible architecture of these tiny little helical structures that
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: apparently are so small that they interact with quantum vibrations
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: in fields. That's how fine and tiny they are. And
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: the reason I bring this up is because I think
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: that we're getting deeper now with things like the orco
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: R theory into looking at the structures within humanity that
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: actually seem to be receiving nodes or receptive nodes for
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: energy that could then be translated into consciousness. The old
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: idea of are we generating consciousness from our brain or
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: are we we receiving consciousness and we're just a conduit
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: for it. And I think the evidence is getting a
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: little bit more clear that we're a conduit, and I
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: just wonder if that's evolution naturally or if that's you know,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: interaction from these others that have come and meddled with
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: our genealogy.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: It's a good question that we'll have to ponder when
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: I come back from being.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: You do that, let's.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll pass.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: No worries, all right. Well, Jamie brought something up which
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: is a really interesting video that I took when I
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: was out in Sakara in Egypt, again with Jeffrey Drum.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: He was taking me through and yeah, this is an
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 3: awesome place. So just for context before we play it, Yeah,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: take it back to the beginning. This is inside the
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: Pyramid of Unus in Sakara, and this is deep down
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: inside of it, inside what they call the burial chamber.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: Now you see all of these, you know, amazing Arabic
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: artwork that's been quite relatively crudely scratched. And now you
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: see that glow that's actually calcite crystal and that's limestone. Now,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: the entire back of this chamber, like this wall, the
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: back wall, the other wall, and the ceiling and the
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: floor is made out of a slab of calcite crystal.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: But what's really interesting about this is that when you
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: take a flashlight and you put it in a certain
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: angle on this wall, something very interesting appears boom and
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: otherwise invisible etching of an individual. You can see the navel,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: the belly button, and the arms, and this is completely
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: invisible until you get that flashlight. Now, these have been
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: actually smoothed promo for my episode, but these have actually
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: been smoothed into the calcite crystal itself, and then obviously
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: these aramaic writings and pictographs have been scratched on afterwards.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: So clearly this is the original artwork of this chamber,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: but it's not perceptible without a very specific angle of
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: light that creates the shadows. And these are on the
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: other side of the wall as well. I think in
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: this clip maybe he doesn't show it, but very very strange. Now,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: this entire pyramid is acoustically profound. I mean, the acoustics
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: inside of this are unbelievable, the amount of echo that
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: you get, and the entire Sakara site we went around it,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: and I mean, my god, it's a weird site. Man.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: You've got again just incredibly huge slabs of rose quarts
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: granite and there's one area that's like on the other
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: side of the pyramid, not even near the entrance, which
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 3: is just this huge port cullus made of granite with
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 3: interlocking pieces where it clearly another piece of stone was
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: slid between them. But this is nowhere even connected to
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: the pyramid infrastructure, and they don't say anything about it.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: Strewn across this entire place, you've got huge blocks of
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: granite with drill holes in them. You can see the
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: striation marks going all the way through them. And his
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: opinion Jeffrey's, and I think there's merit to it because
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: in Cairo Museum there's a little cabinet of laboratory equipment
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: like jugs and apothecary bottles that were recovered from Sakara,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: including a little plate. There's like a little plaque. This
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: wasn't included, this is put into the actual exhibition, but
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: it's tucked into the corner of Chira Museum. You have
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: to find it and you have to really look for it.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: There's a little plaque saying that the area of Sakara
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: was a laboratory, and again like this completely contradicts all
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: of the things that they say about ancient Egypt. But
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: it's in the Cairo Museum. It's literally written as the
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: ancient laboratory of Sakara, and so you know what's going
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: on there. Why is there a contradiction like that that's
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: being acknowledged? And it's truly just an incredible place with
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: these shadow figures and the acoustic resonance of the site,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: the rose granite.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: So why do you think that it was originally these
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: carvings were in the wall and then they wrote on
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: it afterwards.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's just another case of a later
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: civilization coming across an incredibly amazing place and carving on it.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe they didn't even see these figures because you have
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: to have a very specific type of light to actually
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: be able to see them. You have to get it
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: at that angle.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: It's possible by looking at it that there's some variation.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can see when you actually know what
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: you're looking for, but barely anything. It's like really hard
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: to perceive. So maybe they didn't even know that these
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: things were down there when they went. There's another part
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 3: of this, when you're going through the chambers where it's
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: rose granite, rose granite and then plaster where you've got hieroglyphics,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: pot on the top and you can actually see the
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: plast is kind of bleeding off into the rose granite.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: So it feels like they found it, they slapped some
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: hieroglyphs on it, they you know, put their own veneration
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: around it. But it was not an original structure of
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: the Egyptians. Once again a place that they found and
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: settled around. But it's just weird that in the Kira
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: Museum you have like this tiny little shelf full of
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: beakers and measuring jug type things, and it says that
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 3: the lab complex of Sakara. It just doesn't make any
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: sense in comparison to what they're trying to tell us
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: is the reality this place. So that's you know, that's weird.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: It's all weird.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: It's all weird.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: That's why the the bottleneck of talking about this stuff
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: is so infuriating.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: This is the same place, by the way, we have
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: the Serrapium. You know, the eighty ton boxes that are
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: precision marble top, the ones that Christopher Done went down into.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: Was like these have been machined.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pull up photo of those please. They're strange. It's like,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: what do you think they were doing with those things?
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: Like what was the purpose well, you know what's interesting
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: is they were so these things are absolutely incredible, and
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: there's a few questions with this one. If you go
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: onto that image zoom, I just go to that image
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: on the right where you've got the entrance, just the
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: entrance into the Yeah, this one here, So this is
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: you know, this is the entrance into the serrapium or
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: the serrapium, however you want to pronounce it. It's a subterranean labyrinth.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: And these corridors are extremely small. There's actually a half
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: a half finished one sitting in the middle of a
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: corridor and you can kind of really get a scope
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: for the size. But he's a seventy ton seventy to
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: eighty ton granite sarcopha guy. They attribute it to the
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 3: Apist bulls. They say that there was, you know, a
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: cult around this region that venerated the apist bulls, and
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: that these were burial chambers for the apist bulls. But
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 3: you know what's funny about that is the only thing
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: they have to evidence this is no bones of bulls
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 3: or anything like that. What they have is a single
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: hieroglyph on one of these one of these boxes of
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: a ball it. They have a hieroglyphic of a ball
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: on it, and that's why they attribute it to the
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: APIs bulls, regardless of the fact that these are precision
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: carved eighty to you know, seventy to eighty ton granite
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: marble top smoothed boxes with even more precision inside. They're
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: even more precise on the inside, which is strange. You
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: wouldn't necessarily need them to be that precise if they're
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: just funery boxes. But the precision is actually more impressive
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: internally than it is externally.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: And how long would it take to make one of those, Mike,
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: here's the question. Make it, move it, put it in place,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: move it. That ball is long dead. Let it go,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: Let it go. By the time you finished that thing.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: That things are nuts, man, absolutely nuts. And this is
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 3: one of the big things that Christopher Dunn saw and
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: was just like, nah, nah, there's just no way.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: Look at the people standing next to those.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: I've been inside one of these.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: If someone moved it there and then put that other
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: one on top.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: Of it, unbelievable. When who how yeah, And again, like
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: you know, to say, it's not a mystery is nut.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: It is nuts. And also if you've go on that
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: image where they're shining a light and someone's leaning on
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: it on like the right hand side.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that one.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: So so many of these the boxes themselves, it's so precise,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: but the actual writing is extremely crude. It's been scratched on.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: It's basically just been scratched on, and a lot of
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: them it kind of feels like as a lot of
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: these pharaohs did. They just went and slapped a cartoon
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: sh on it. I own this, this is mine, right,
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: and so you know, the exterior work contradicts the advancement
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: of the actual box itself. It doesn't make sense. There's
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: only one in here that's actually got three D actual
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 3: carved in artwork, and that one actually does make sense.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: But these ones are all chicken scratch. It's just been
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: scratched on.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: Of course, So which is what people do.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: Which is what people do.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of history of human beings doing
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: that to ancient things.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you've got a third image, actually that's an
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: interesting image because you've got these such low quality. That's
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: a shame. But you can actually see these dimples where
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: they've smoothed out the stone. And what's weird about this
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: is that so if these were funery boxes. You would
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: expect the external to be the most impressive, because that's
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: what people are going to see, right, But instead you
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: actually have a lot of malformation on the boxes. And
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 3: one of the theories about this, and this is something that
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 3: there gets a good example of this. One of the
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: theories about this is one that Jeffrey Drum brought up
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: for me, is that whatever was going on inside of
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: these cases, the exterior had to have absolutely zero critical imperfections,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: So any cracks, anything that was problematic would have been
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: dissolved out, smoothed away, and you have this weird kind
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: of dimpling on a lot of these and somewhere you
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 3: can actually see a crack where the crack's been removed
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: and it's been kind of smoothed out, and then inside
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: it's like ninety degree just perfect. And so it just
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: kind of contradicts the idea of it being for the
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: you know, a funery purpose. You'd expect the outside to
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 3: be absolutely perfect and beautiful, but it's not. It's all
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: kind of malshaped and as if they were trying to
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: remove any sort of cracks, anything that could cause structural problem,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: and then inside they're perfect. So it does make me
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: wonder about the real purpose behind them.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: Why why are you assuming that it would be cracks.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't it just be that they didn't have a
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: need to finish the top of it.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: Because some of them carpentry, well, some of them are
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: finished quite profoundly, and then you have others that have
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 3: got these big dimples in them where it just looks
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: like they were trying to remove anything that might have
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 3: been a critical damage to the structure. Obviously this is guesswork.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: The purpose that would be to keep it from cracking.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: Keep it from cracking all the way through. I just
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 3: find it very interesting that the inside is more impressive
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: than the outside for something that's meant to be, you know,
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 3: viewed as a funery box.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: For right, an enormous funery.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: An enormous funery box.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: Does anybody have a wacky, far out theory of what
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: they were actually for?
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's always some I mean, one of them
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 3: I find interesting is the idea that they could be
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: like some form of like a sound bath, like an
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: isolatory chamber where they would go into and have like
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 3: some form of experiences.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: Are you going to count someone to move their fucking thing.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: Like you know, it's there's there's such a strong there's
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: such a strong evidential trail of acoustic sciences in the
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: ancient past, especially archaeoacoustics in terms of the actual architecture itself,
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: like the pyramids, they're designed to resonate. Like one of
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: the most sorry, one of the most interesting places that
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: I've been to in terms of looking at the acoustics
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: of places as well as Malta. The island of Malta
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: and the Island of malt is very interesting because when
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 3: the Bronze Age settlers from Sicily and other areas of
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: Italy came over to Malta for the first time, they
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: discovered an island that was absolutely littered with megalithic sites,
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: and Malta has got the highest concentration of megalithic sites
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: in the world. But there were no people. They're all gone,
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: no one knows who they were. It was just a
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 3: land full of these incredible megalithic temples, and one in
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 3: particular called the Hypergem of Halceflienni. Now the Hypergem is fascinating, dude.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 3: It's a sub terranean, huge, huge temple temple that was
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: discovered by road workers and they were literally just chipping
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: away at the road and then it collapsed in and
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 3: they find this huge what they call a necropolis because
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 3: they found hundreds of skeletons down here. This thing is incredible.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 3: This is all carved out of the limestone, and it
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: is a overlapping geometric series of chambers that is so
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 3: obviously acoustically tuned that if you actually, if you wanted
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 3: to search Hypergem acoustics, it will come up with studies
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: where they've noticed that this is absolutely a deliberately acoustically
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: tuned complex. Go on the actual website, not images. That's
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 3: an interesting one, whether or not it's entirely accurate. Someone's
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 3: comparing the Hypergem to the human ear, specifically because of
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: the fact that this place absolutely is acoustically tuned to
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: resonate between one hundred and ten and one hundred and
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: fifteen hertz, which is the bandwidth to activate certain brain
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: states like alpha and theta brain where you can get
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 3: into more meditative states of consciousness. And only twenty percent
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: of this site is accessible to the public. Seventy percent
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 3: of it's locked off, and they treat it like a skiff.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 3: They take your phone, they take your camera. You can't
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: bring any audio recording devices into it. Nothing very curated
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 3: tour for like you know, at thirty minutes and then out.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: Why is seventy percent of it locked off?
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: That's a great question. They say it's for preservation of
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 3: the site. Because it's such a delicate Neolithic, it's prehistoric.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: They believe it's prehistoric. And again this speaks to what
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 3: was going on in prehistory because this is an acoustically
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 3: profound series of chambers that have been carved out of
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 3: the limestone bedrock by people that we attribute bone antler
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: tools to chipping away at it with bone antler tools,
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 3: and they made something as profound, so prehistoric. Well they
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: dated to I think about five thousand years ago about yeah,
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 3: but mainstream mainstream what mainstream Yeah, yeah, carved carved, it's
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 3: it's carved out of the bedrock, out of the bedrock.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: The bedrock.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 3: It is huge, huge thing. And what's even weirder about
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: it is that they found all these elongated skulls at
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 3: the bottom of it. And one I've seen one personally.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 3: I went to the Museum of v Letta in Malta
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: and saw one of these elongated skulls. What's very interesting
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 3: about these skulls. Is that they actually lack the sagital
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 3: suture that we have going down the back of the head.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 3: So you know, we have this this sagual suture which
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: pushes the growth place together as you come through the
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 3: birth canal. Not that one, the third one, sorry, the
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 3: fourth one. That one, and then there's other images which
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: are actually the one below it where you've got skulls
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 3: recovered from the hypergym. Yes, so this is the elongated skull.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: It's only got the horizontal horizontal suture, no vertical suture,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: which is what all humans have, a vertical sagital suture. Now,
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 3: apparently hundreds of elongated skulls were discovered in the HYPERGM,
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 3: but only a couple of them are on display in Valletta.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: And I've got a couple of friends who are in.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 3: Have you heard of the Knights of Malta. No, it's
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 3: so kind of a secret order, a bit like Freemasonry.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: It's spawn from the Vatican. The Vatican basically threw these
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 3: people into Malta and said fuck off and go do
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: your wich stuff over there. But now it's a very connected,
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of like with the Vatican Order, the Nights,
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 3: the Knights of malta very powerful, a very powerful group,
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 3: very much in the geopolitical world stage. And a friend
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 3: of mine who's within that was like, yeah, they bring
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 3: out this book once a year in the Voletta Museum
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 3: and it's detailing the skulls of the Hypergem and apparently
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 3: tells a story of how the locals would throw bodies
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 3: down there because there are beings down there that they
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 3: wanted to prevent from coming up to the surface. And
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 3: this is the strange thing is the Hypergem is full
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: of normal human bodies, hundreds, not buried with respect, but
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: just piled down there, and then also elongated skulls, and
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 3: the story is accordiated. It's very ancient book that they
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 3: bring out and put out once a year. Be lucky
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 3: to catch it. It apparently describes that they were using
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: this as a place to discard bodies to prevent these
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 3: creatures from coming up to the feeding them, feeding them.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: So when people would die, they would just throw them
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: down that hole. Or were people are bad people?
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, throw them down that hole to.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: These elongated skull things were eating people.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 3: Well that's that's you know, the connections we might make
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 3: from that kind of connotation from these books. But that's
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 3: that's certainly something that's rolled out in the Voletta Museum
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: once a year if you get to go there and
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: see it, so that you.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: Know that like an ancient version of scientology. Somebody make
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: all this up.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: Dude, I don't know, but well, I mean.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: In terms of very strange that there's the hyper human
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: skeletons down there.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean they did find a profound amount
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: of them, which is why the mainstream labels it as
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 3: a necropolis. But there's no burial respect being done. It
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 3: was just piles and bodies, like piles and bodies, and
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 3: again it's just so profound.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 4: This is called the Oracle room.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, the Oracle room. Yeah, this is where the sound
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 3: constant radio description.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 4: I've found here these two paragraphs. I guess it's gonna
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 4: be a little long bits.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: Of that long. During testing, a deep male voice tuned
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: to these frequencies stimulated a resonance phenomenon throughout the hypogem,
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: creating bone chilling effects. It was reported that the sounds
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: echoed for up to eight seconds. Archaeologists Fernando Cumbria or
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: Combra Coimbra. Combra said that he felt the strong, the
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: sound crossing his body at high speed, leaving a sensation
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: of relaxation. When it was repeated, the sensation returned, and
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: he also had the illusion that the sound was reflected
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: from his body to the ancient red ochre paintings on
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: the walls. One can only imagine the experience in antiquity,
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: standing in what must excuse me, in what must have
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: been somewhat odorous dark and listening to ritual chant while
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: low light flickered over the bones of one's departed loved ones.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: Holy shit.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 4: Might have felt like what drugs do to it?
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: So also they made a drug house.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 4: He goes on the state. Yet under right circumstances, ancient
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 4: populations were able to obtain different states of consciousness about
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 4: the use of drugs or chemical substance or maybe in.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 3: This is the Monroe Institute of Applied Sciences and binormal beats,
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: way way before we were around. This is the origin.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 3: It's called psychoacoustic architecture, the idea that ancient architecture is
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 3: designed in a way to propagate acoustics that affect the
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 3: human brain.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: Now imagine this is five thousand years ago, and where
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: did you more from?
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: How did you do that? Did you fail? Did you learn?
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: Where's what's the science?
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 3: And another interesting how do you know element is there
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: are a lot of temple sites in Malta that look
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 3: weirdly similar to New Grange in Ireland. And New Grange
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 3: is another psychoacoustic temple if you want to call it
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 3: a temple. It's a huge mound if you look it up.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: But within it they've done again acoustic studies and it
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 3: propagates infrasound sound below the threshold of human hearing. And
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 3: that's the stuff that reverberates through your chest cavity, through
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 3: your bone structure. That's what that guy is describing. It's
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 3: infrasonic sound, you know, when you're.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: Like this is it?
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and there's all that oh good is
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 3: it again? Neolithic? I don't know the exact date, but
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 3: it's Neolithic. And these spiral patterns are in the hypergym.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 3: Those those spiral patters are in the hypergym in red Ochre.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: This is Ireland, the same structure that very famous Irish This,
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 3: by the way, is incredible because it's completely singular. There's
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 3: no break in the line. That's a very hard piece
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 3: of geometry. To actually create at the time as well.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: It's extremely complex because all of this feeds into itself.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 3: There's no break in that line. It's a very complex geometry.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 3: But that same type of geometry is also found in
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 3: the hypergym, and it's found in red Ochre on the
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: painting these swirling, these swirling kind of motifs. So it's
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 3: very interesting. You have these weird correlations between places that
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 3: were separated by entire oceans in Neolithic time.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: Do you think there represents sound ways.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I think it's about the flow of acoustics,
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 3: the flow of movement and sound, and that was perhaps
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: their interpretation or perhaps they had a visual hallucination that
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 3: gave them the idea of it being this kind of
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: like swirling pattern. But yeah, I find this. Yeah, this
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 3: is Ireland and there's just some striking similarities between places
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 3: like this and places in Malta. So again it just
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 3: leads into the idea that there was perhaps a you know,
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: globally maritime connected civilization that was using these psychoacoustic attributions
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 3: in sights to produce novel effects of and consciousness, you know,
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 3: inducing brain hemisphere synchronization, just like they're trying to do
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: in my ass with the CIA.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: And here's the real question, how did they learn how.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: Did they learn how to do that?
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: How long did it take before you figured out how
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: to carve that out of a mountain?
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Exactly. You know, these are the questions that are
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 3: absolutely not being answered by our understanding of history. These
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 3: are the you know, the red ochre, the more rough
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: ones are the ones in the hypergem incredibly old. Also
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: also a very good Yeah, like it's it's.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: That that other cultures have that as well, right, those spirals.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. So that right there
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 3: is also in New Grange in Ireland, like pretty much
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 3: the same.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: It's but two places. There's some other places.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, the swirling motif is one of the oldest. I mean,
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 3: it is one of the oldest. Is you know, it's everywhere.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 3: But the implication of it being about sound is very
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: interesting when you find it represented in places that are
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 3: absolutely acoustically tuned from prehistory. Yeah, dude, like you know,
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 3: it's weird.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: Weird.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 3: There's another one in Peru called Chavin de Junta, which
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: is a there's a temple built above it. This is
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 3: another thing that you find I mean, this one in Malta.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 3: They haven't done this, but you do definitely seem to
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 3: find layering like gun and Padang in Indonesia where you
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: have like the original structure below and people just piling
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 3: up on top of it over time. So in Chauvin
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 3: de Hunter in Peru you have this amazing temple site,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: but below ground is a labyrinth of corridor that also
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 3: propagate acoustics to the point where it brings up infrasounds.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 3: So below this is a is an infrasonic laboratory essentially
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 3: of labyrinthian passages that we used for ritual acoustics. And
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 3: they actually found inside of this conch shells that had
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 3: been purposefully re engineered to produce a new harmonic when
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 3: blown into them, like they had actually changed them into
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 3: a different site.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: That'd go in the acoustic chambers and.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 3: Below the conch shells, and someone would obviously be walking
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 3: through this perhaps as a form of rite of passage.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: But imagine going back in time. I know, I've really
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: want being a fly on the wall.
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 3: I wish we could, yes, so that you know it's
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 3: not incredibly profound stonemasonry, but it does produce infrasonic reverberation.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 3: They have proven that and looked it up, and yeah,
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 3: the conch shells were found there that have got all
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 3: of these designs on them and have been purposefully changed
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 3: to produce a different sound. So there is a there
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 3: is a clear lineage of acoustic science, way before acoustic
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 3: science was acoustic science, you know, at least to our terms.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 3: So brings up big questions and the fact that it
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 3: was influencing consciousness. I think that we just had an
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: incredibly intelligent, but shamanically orientated society at one point. You know,
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 3: we were using our human ingenuity, but we were using
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 3: it to create effects more spiritually aligned than anything else.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 3: And you know, these are all chambers for inducing expanded
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 3: states of consciousness.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: The real question, though, is what technology were they utilizing
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: for the construction. That's the real question, especially when you
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: get to the megalithic stuff. Yeah, what were they doing?
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: Like what is this? Because this is not what we're
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: saying it is. There's no way this is stone tools,
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: there's no way this is copper. This is something nutty.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 3: Well, that's why the knobs are interesting, because it almost
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: seems like the stone was being softened and perhaps like
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 3: you know, if you were pulling a spoon out of
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: hot toffee. You'd get that pullback, right, you get like
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: a kind of protrus. But they do and then they don't.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: That's what's really weird about it, especially in Peru. Peru
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 3: has so many stone nubs. Like there's a place in
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 3: Peru called the Kota Kanca, which is like the kind
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 3: of main temple in Cosco, the Temple, and you know
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 3: these precision there's various layers of architecture in Peru. Albeit
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 3: it's all being attributed to the Inca, which is weird
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 3: rough cut stone work. Then the weird megalithic kind of
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 3: smush together stones. Then you have what's called ashlar stone work,
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 3: which is where it's like a bunker. If you look
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 3: at the it's it's spelled with a Q q O
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 3: r I k A n c h A cordy kanscher
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 3: if you look it up like and looking. Yeah, so
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 3: you have to go inside it really to really get this,
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 3: the bunkers inside of it. These look at the wall
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 3: on the outside actually real quick before you do that.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 3: If you click on one of these images and just
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 3: enlarge it, the first one is probably the best one. Yeah,
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 3: So that's ashlar stonework. That bottom bit that is original.
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 3: This was built by the Conquista doors, right. The rest
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 3: of it's been built up by the Conquista doors from Spain.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: But this original stonework is also represent entered inside with
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 3: these incredible bunkers. So if you type in like bunker,
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 3: it's got yeah, like this image here, Like the level
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 3: of precision on these is absolutely phenomenal. I mean we're
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 3: talking just complete, precise fitting stones, not globular like Saxi woman,
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: like marshmallows, but just precise blocks like these bunkers here. Yeah,
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: like down here, this is all original work. And then
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 3: they built a you know, Spanish inspired temple over the
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 3: top of it.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: So were you ascertaining is that this was her first? Yes?
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this this stuff it was here first, Like
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: this stuff was absolutely here first. And if you look up,
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 3: there's a there's a little nub, little stone nub right
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 3: at the top there. But some of these walls have
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 3: like ten nubs on them, like one here, one here,
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 3: one here, and then there's none, so it's like they
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 3: were smoothing out some of them leaving others. Some have
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 3: speculated that it's a form of language because in Peru,
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 3: the Inca. Do you know what the Inca language was?
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 3: They're like written language, it's called Keepu, and it wasn't written.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 3: It was pieces of string with notts on them in
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: different colors. That was their historical language. So it was
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 3: literally like a line of different strings, different lengths, different colors,
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: with little knots in them, which corresponded to data. And
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 3: most of this was lost by the Spanish conquistadores because
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 3: they went over there and it was like burn this shit,
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 3: burn this pagan nonsense. Yeah, this is this was their language.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: Oh my, this was their language.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 3: And it just made me wonder that obviously this is
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 3: a complete guess, but it just made me wonder if,
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: like the stone nubs are stone keepo, is it a
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: stone version with all these different nubs on different places
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: and different areas, because it just feels like, especially in
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 3: the kodic Aanta, which is a temple, it's a regal temple,
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 3: why would you leave the nubs on, like you said,
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 3: why wouldn't they smooth these down? So it's almost like
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: it's meant to tell us something, and they're left in
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 3: very specific areas. Then in Peru you get stone nubs
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: protruding straight out of bedrock. That's what weirds me out
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 3: is that it's not just on the crafted stones, but
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 3: like a sheer rock face that's been obviously kind of
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 3: quarried down by some unknown technique without any chisel marks,
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 3: just break and then you have like a group of
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 3: nubs coming out of the stone. So Peru is just
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: full of contradictory architecture. And I think that you know,
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 3: the Spanish went over there and they saw places like
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 3: Saxe Woman, and they attributed to the Inca. You know,
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 3: they attributed to the inc the Inca. The Andean Sharmans
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 3: say it's not the Inca. The Inca themselves. To the
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: Spanish Conquisato said we found these places. But we take
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: the words of the Spanish conquisadores and we apply it
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: to our knowledge set and we teach that. And it's
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 3: just like I was saying to you before, we're basing
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: so much of our history off of like the word
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 3: of people from like the eighteen hundreds, when clearly we're
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 3: seeing contradictions of that, even in as Graham Hancock would
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 3: certainly say, the oral traditions of the local region, the
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 3: people are saying differently. But we're listening to the foreigners
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 3: who went over there and destroyed things and burnt things
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 3: and burned the keeper and went back and taught us
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 3: what their civilization is all about. It doesn't make any sense. Wow,
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 3: But yeah, Peru's Pru's fascinating, dude. Peru's one of the
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 3: most interesting places I've ever been, and it.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: Has it had the same level of discovery of not
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: like Egypt.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 3: No, no, I mean like there are there are areas
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 3: in Peru. In fact, shout out to my friend Raoul
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 3: Bilecki from Pillars of the Past. He's a guy who's
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 3: out there in Peru literally just going out into the
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: middle of nowhere. He's found pyramid sites in the middle
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 3: of nowhere that have absolutely zero recording, no excavation, no study,
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 3: no name, just there. They don't exist in the record,
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 3: but they're out there in the middle of nowhere in Peru.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 3: And so like Peru has any he found a pretty
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 3: impressive complex. Actually, he found a pretty impressive complex. He's
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 3: got videos of it, like drove footage.
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: It's like on the places where you could actually still
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: be a real explorer.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, if you want to go off into the
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 3: Andean mountains, like he's finding stuff in the Andy high
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 3: up in the mountains that nobody's documented, like nobody's seeing it.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 3: He's a real you know, real adventurer. But it just
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 3: proves that, Yeah, like you said, there are still places
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 3: like this where you can do discovery. Yeah, yeah, pros.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 3: And then obviously have the Amazon Rainforest, like you know,
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: all of the things that could be in there through
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: LID are already seeing so much geometry, so much evidence
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: that there was a massive amount of civilization going on
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: in that jungle. So you know, this is you know,
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 3: getting very interesting to me. And again this weird climatological
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 3: stability through the last glacial maximum to the Younger Dryest,
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 3: this period of about six thousand years where they had
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 3: access to development without being disturbed. So you know, you
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 3: have these incredible anti seismic, anti earthquake megalithic structures in
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 3: Peru using materials that they shouldn't have been able to use,
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 3: using multi ton stones. That's an interesting area. Although I
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 3: will say that it's made out of tough which is
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 3: volcanic rock, very easy to cut because it's actually compressed ash.
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 3: So that's a really cool place, but it's it's not
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 3: as mind blowing in terms of how they cut the
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 3: rock because it's extremely soft rock.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: But so this is doable.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 3: This is this is doable. This is doable. But there
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 3: are other things. In fact, if we could, could you
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: go on my YouTube channel real quick. This is there's
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 3: an area in Saxa Woman which has got there's a
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 3: dire write outcrop which is an incredibly hard stone. There's
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 3: a measurement of hardness scale that goes up to ten,
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: with diamond being the hardest and dire writes it's at
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 3: about six point five to seven out of ten, whereas
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 3: bronze sits at three to three point five out of ten.
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 3: So you know there's a discrepancy with the hardness of
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 3: the material to start with. But yeah, yes, there's if
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 3: you go back to the beginning of Sorry, I wish
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 3: I could see the screen, it's going to be difficult,
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 3: I think. Keep it playing though. I'll talk about this
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 3: and they will come up in a moment, I'm sure.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: But all across Peru you have these incredibly precise cuts
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 3: into bedrock with very little evidence of any sort of
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 3: chisel marks and no real understanding of how they were
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: able to excavate it. You know, these incredible just voids
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 3: into the rock. But there's one area in particular, and
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: this is just the beginning of my video, but there's
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 3: one area in particular in saxsa woman, which is this
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: gigant tick. In fact, you could probably just type it
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 3: in if you typed in sacks a woman, dire write
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 3: steps or something like that. But I know s A
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 3: q s A q s A y sax a one
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 3: man w A m A and yeah sa of woman,
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 3: dire write steps, dire write spelt. Sorry mate, yeah d
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 3: I O R I T E. It's all right, brother,
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 3: But I mean, like we're I think we're actually getting.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 4: I just I'm trying to listen while I'm typing.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 3: And no, but yeah, so yes, yes that's the one.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 3: So this this is dire write. This is incredibly hard stone.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 3: To give some context, you know, the the stones that
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 3: sacks a woman are extremely impressive, but they are made
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 3: of limestone, a little bit softer, a bit more workable.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 3: This is impossible if you can find a HD I've
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 3: got a four K video of this, like that's why
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 3: I wanted to see it in that video. But if
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 3: you can find an HD image, it's shined like a
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 3: marble top, like These are just precision cut into this
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 3: huge outcrop of diorite, which they actually believe was a
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 3: magma burst, So a huge blob of magma came bursting
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 3: out of the out of the ground and formed into
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 3: this huge stone mound that's adjacent to sax A Woman.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 3: And you've got cuts like this where it's just insanely
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 3: perfect and this is not possible with a Bronze age toolkit.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 3: This to me is actually more interesting in some ways
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 3: than Sachs a Woman itself, because it's just a complete
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 3: contradiction of the Bronze age tools. You shouldn't be able
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 3: to do that on diar write Yeah.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 1: It's wild. I mean how long did that take?
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 3: And it's smoothed down to a point where it's like shiny,
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 3: like what did they do and what's the purpose of it? Why?
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 1: And weird.
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's all these weird little cuts into the stone
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 3: like that, And across Peru you just find, like, you know,
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 3: these voids where it's just like a degree cut into
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 3: stone with perfect finish and no sign of chiseling.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: And the thing is the back is smooth too.
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 3: And the back is also smooth out of it, dude,
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 3: this is the thing.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 3: I just find that so like fascinating.
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: This is what really clearly seems like there's a lot
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: of technology. Yeah, yeah, that these ancient people had figured
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 1: something out. They probably existed for thousands of years. They're
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 1: probably really advanced, just in a different pipeline. Yeah, they
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 1: went in a different highway.
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 3: I will say this, and I'm sure you'll be happy
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 3: that I'm bringing him up. There is one guy out
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 3: there who's trying his best to prove how they were
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 3: liquefying stone and then bringing it back. And I only
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 3: know his ex handle, which is faux Mahon like fo
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 3: m a h N. I can't remember his actual name,
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 3: but I've been talking to him. I'm thinking of actually
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 3: going out to visit him and film him doing this.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 3: But he's been demonstrating making Teddy Bear casts of rose
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 3: granite and things like this, and for a long time
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 3: he wasn't revealing how he was doing it, so I
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 3: kind of just was like, whatever, dude, like I don't
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 3: think that you're actually doing this. But he's now actually
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 3: revealed his secret ingredient, which is a slaked lime like
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 3: this slaked lime which was very easy to make for them,
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 3: and water glass which again, is something that they could
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 3: have made. I don't know the science behind this, to
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 3: be fair, so I'm just going to briefly say that
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 3: I think he's got some provocative ideas here because he's
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 3: actually adding like this water glass and slaked lime to
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 3: like you know, mixed up compounds of granite or limestone,
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 3: like crushed up granite, crushed up limestone, adding the slate, lime,
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 3: adding the water glass, and then it's solidifying into solid
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 3: granite like within six hours.
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: What.
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's got like literal like Teddy Bear casts
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 3: and like you know, different like cookie cutter casts of
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 3: solid granite. And so there's a potential that it's really
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 3: simple but totally been overlooked. You know, it's just using
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 3: the right compounds, the right components, and the right stone mixture. Again,
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 3: how do they learn this? But you know, it's not definitive,
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 3: But he's one of the only people I've seen is
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 3: actually presented actual evidence that could explain how they were
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 3: doing this. And it's relatively ingredients.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: That would account for something. Yes, the problem is the
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 1: enormous Okay, So this.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 3: Guy, Yeah, so he's I think, so if you go
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 3: up and make sure he's actually the right person. Yes, yes,
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 3: there we go, massel.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 1: Brilliant idea to create artificial granite with nothing as an
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 1: additive to water glass, the latter being the glue between
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: original granite grains. Why, because I realized we need full
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 1: transparency in order to clearly see the original granite grains,
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: like quartz, we need a fake quartz as a binder. Well,
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: nothing did not work because the outside layer prevented the
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: thing to get hard inside. Oh well, nothing did not work.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't know how you're saying.
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: What we're seeing is made with a secret additive, so
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: let's call it almost nothing. That did not change the
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: transparency of the water glass, but forced it to set
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 1: from the inside. So remember this is the wannabe binder
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: only of artificial granite, not granite itself.
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 3: It's very interesting, and he's revealed that it's slaked lime,
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 3: this secret ingredient. For a while, he wasn't saying what
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 3: it is. Now he said it's slate lime. So I'm
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 3: actually going to go out to he lives in Buddaperston,
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: going to go out to Buda person and actually film
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 3: him doing this to see if he's, you know, right
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 3: about this he's actually I think one of the originators
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 3: of the whole Natron theory, which I haven't dived too
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 3: deep into, but it's one of the explanations behind it
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 3: melting the stones. So I started paying more attention to
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 3: him once I was in Peru and he was messaging
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 3: me saying, you know, this is what I think is
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 3: going on here, as they were using these ingredients to
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 3: melt the stone, well, to solidify crushed up stone and
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 3: create molds. My issue, Yeah, one issue to do.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: Clash of the stones. That seems like it'd be harder
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 1: than moving.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe using harder rocks, like you know, just like smashed match.
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 3: But yeah, exactly you need to I mean, how much
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 3: stone smashing would you need to do to create saksa walmar?
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 1: All these areas tons of small.
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 3: Plus plus every single block is different, you'd be talking
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 3: about millions of molds. Like, if we're talking about molds here,
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 3: then every single block is completely different, so you need
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 3: an individual mold for each one. So yeah, compelling idea.
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 3: Does it answer it? No, nothing ever seems to fully
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 3: answer it. But it's you know, compelling that he's trying
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 3: to actually find a way to solidify the stone and
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 3: it seems to be working. Whether it explains all of it,
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but there's certainly a lot of people
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 3: that will say that, you know, this is the definitive
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 3: explanation behind it. I don't think that. But the thing
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 3: that it's compelling.
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: Amazing sites have in common is that they're so spectacular.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: No one really has a largical explanation. Yeah, that's It's
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 1: one of the coolest things about the most ancient of
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: sites is that it forces you to go, we were
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: even the best.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 3: People don't defies probability. Yeah, it defies probability. It's truly
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 3: truly fascinating.
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 1: Man, it was a natural project, so simple. I get
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: it now, Yeah, I know, man.
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 3: Like that's the thing is like, not this outdated kind
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 3: of dismissal of everyone on the outside of the academic Yeah, gatekeeping.
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 3: You know, he wants to say he's not a gatekeeper.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 3: It clearly is.
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 1: It's not yours, buddy.
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 3: Did you know he came through the ed CA Casey Foundation.
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: Wonderful he did.
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 3: Zahiawas originated in the ed CA Casey Foundation, so he
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 3: got funded, and weirdly enough, he was actually quite pro
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 3: these ideas until about the mid nineties. So there's like
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 3: a nineteen ninety three quote from him at a university
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 3: in Cairo where he was saying something along the lines
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 3: of there are tunnels underneath the sphinx that lead down
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 3: into greater structures, and when we truly understand this, we
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 3: will understand the real builders of the pyramids. That was
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 3: the last time he said anything close to that post
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three, about ninety nine three and be ninety six.
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 3: But after that complete polar opposite ninety degree change, I
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 3: wonder what happened to Zai.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 1: Who knows. I don't understand why if you really want
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 1: that place to get more money, more tourism, more people interested.
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 3: In its Atlantic church, right, I mean, just.
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 1: Be open to all of these people that are like
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 1: yourself and like Graham Hancock. Why wouldn't you not be
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 1: open to these people and their ideas like they're they're
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: clearly very well versed. I think Ben van kirkwik.
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, he's brilliant, he's incredible, fantastic guy.
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 1: He's an encyclopedia of information about Egypt. And why would
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: you not want that guy exploring publicly and also reaching
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: millions of people? By the way, Yes, why wouldn't you
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: want that? It doesn't make any sense.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 3: I think there's like a maybe like a bit of
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 3: a cultural arrogance, like who do you think you are?
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 3: Westerner coming over here and teaching us about our history.
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 3: I think there's a level of that, like, you know,
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 3: at least on a surface layer before you get into
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 3: the deeper implications of you know, freemason secret societies keeping
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 3: things from us.
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 1: My true fear is that it's people just have this
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 1: desire to be the one in charge of stuff.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 3: Right, and the desire to be right.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 1: They want to be crossed, they want to be bothered,
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 1: and they never want to be proven wrong.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 3: And who's this guy? Who's this podcaster who's coming on
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 3: and telling me what my country's heritage is?
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 1: And you know that's but the problem with that is
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 1: like even mainstream marchologists are angry about it, right.
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 3: Like right, well, everyone gangs together, you know, they all
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 3: gang to get his group think.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of bitches in archaeology.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've noticed that, bitchy people. I've noticed that.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: Just so there's it's such a bad look for the profession.
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 1: It really is because immature, yeah, like snarky, shitty comments yeah,
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 1: I know, aspersions of racism, shure, it's it's it's a
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 1: really gross field in terms of some of the humans around.
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 3: I came through the toxicity of the UFO community, which
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 3: is like so bad and you know, yeah, a lot
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 3: of coups, but also just like a lot of bad
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 3: actors and hackers and people that want to you know,
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 3: one thing on the UFO subject actually, which I do
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 3: think is worth noting, because like I said to you,
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 3: I think I'm one of the first people that you've
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 3: had on that had to actually make their way through
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 3: the social media interactions. And one of the things that
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 3: a lot of us noticed and have to give credit
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 3: to a couple of people like Red Panda Koala and
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 3: Supercarbor on Twitter, to very good researchers that have been
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 3: highlighting this is that when the whole kind of twenty
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 3: seventeen narrative and Louil Azando and Chris mel and all
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 3: these guys started coming out, obviously we were all extremely
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 3: excited about it. Over time, you know, there were some issues,
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 3: like some contradictions. Luel Azondo especially has contradicted himself quite
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 3: a lot, and some of us started to get a
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 3: little bit suspicious of these people and just started asking questions.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 3: It didn't take long for us to be targeted by
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 3: a pretty significant network online of people that were trying
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 3: to hack and dox us and people like he hasn't
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 3: put his actual name out there, but people that read
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 3: Pandakuala was docked online, had his family house put out online,
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 3: photos of his underage sister put out online by a
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: group of individuals who are all very closely connected to
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: louil Azondo. And this is something that you would not
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 3: notice outside of being in the minutia of x because
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 3: you would see these troll counts, these really nasty troll
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 3: accounts that were all being followed by Lou, and when
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 3: they were having their accounts shut down and reinstated, Lou
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 3: was one of the first people following them. Some people
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 3: have actually come out about this group now and revealed
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 3: screenshots of dms where they're in private conversations with people
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 3: like Lou and Gary and you know, some of these
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 3: other guys who I got connected to early on, very
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 3: early on, I got some of the first interviews with
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 3: these people and was very pro it until I started
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 3: realizing that they were very much trying to control the narrative,
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 3: and there were you know, things you couldn't speak about,
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 3: can't talk about, you know, reverse engineering or consciousness initiated contact,
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 3: anything to do with Greer as completely poisonous. Louel Asondo
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 3: was actually he called he called Greer and a couple
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 3: of other people terrorists. He said, I wouldn't negotiate with
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 3: terrorists when asked about Stephen Greer. But what people have
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 3: dubbed this as is the UFO hate group. It's very
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 3: well known online, the UFO Hate Group, and it's a
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 3: group of people that are so savagely in favor of
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 3: people like Lou and this kind of modernized narrative that
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 3: if you even go half an inch, like I really
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 3: gained my accolades in the UFO community, people you know,
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 3: really praising me for the interviews I was getting until
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 3: I started asking a few questions about people like Lou,
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 3: and suddenly I get an absolute mail strum of hatred
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 3: from people that were once really you know, enjoying my content.
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 3: And I'm quite lucky I haven't been targeted so heavily.
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 3: Some people have had their lives ruined by these people
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 3: who were all connected to individuals like Lou and Lou
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 3: actually said that he came to burn ufology to the ground,
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 3: Like he actually said that in an article. He was like,
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 3: I want to burn you uthologia. I want to destroy it.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 1: When did you say that?
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's like in like a few years back. Now
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 3: you can get it.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 1: What's the context?
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 3: I think it was just about the way in which
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 3: the UFO community has, you know, been misrepresenting the phenomena
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 3: and like the confusing spaghetti junction of narratives, and he
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 3: just kind of want to actually put a hard recess.
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 1: And that kind of actually makes sense to say, does
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 1: he does he know things? You don't think he knows things?
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 3: What does he know? I don't know exactly right. They
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 3: all know something, but none of them can tell us,
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 3: and they all knew it from someone else, and someone
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 3: else told them and they knew it and they know this.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, I was so in love with all
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 3: of this. You have to understand that I was truly
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 3: I was a believer. I was like, this is amazing.
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 3: I had my ORB experiences, so I had a bias already.
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm ready to believe in whatever you're saying.
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 3: It took me a while to start actually realizing that
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 3: this is not going in the direction I think it
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 3: should be going in, that there's a heavily curated narrative,
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 3: and if you try and question the narrative, you will
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 3: be punished by group think. It felt like, honestly, I
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 3: started to feel like I was in a COVID cult
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 3: for ufology, where you just can't talk about louisl Azando
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 3: in a bad light, regardless of the fact that this
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 3: man has gone on stage and presented literal fake UFO
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 3: photos to the public which have been debunked in less
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 3: than twenty four hours, and he had to admit that
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 3: they were fake because of the debunks. But people are
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 3: just happy to forget these things. Happened like he went
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 3: up in a congressional setting and held up a UFO
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 3: photo that was proven to just be fields like agric
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 3: cultural fields. Yes, this is a fake. That's not a shadow.
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 3: That's a darker field next to the lighter field. These
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 3: are two circles, and this was proven. He had to
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 3: admit it. He had to. This is in a congressional setting.
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 3: This man apparently ran the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 3: I call bullshit. I don't believe you did, because he
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 3: seems like more of a government stooge, and he feels
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 3: like someone that would be sent out to do what
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 3: he admits he was doing counterintelligence. He's a counterintelligence, counter terrorism,
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 3: counter espionage guy, not a UFO guy. I'm a counter
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 3: terrorism counter espionage guy.
• 2:34:33
  Speaker 1: He's also one of the guys calling for amnesty.
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 3: Right, Oh, how surprising. Yeah, exactly, Columny shocked. Yeah, no
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 3: he is, like, you know, Columny shocked?
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 1: Does he say that in the because a lot of
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 1: them do said. I want to make sure that he
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 1: actually said that. I don't know in that age of disclosed.
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 3: I'll be perfectly honest with you, Joe. I haven't even
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 3: watched it because I'm just not interested in that element
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 3: of the UFO subject anymore. I've been burned by these guys.
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 3: I've had Gary Nolan emailing me, like, why aren't you
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 3: on the team anymore? Why don't you like be a
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 3: team player? Is like, because you're literally telling me that
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 3: I can't tell my own fucking truth. All was censoring
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 3: me and saying that I'm not being a team player
• 2:35:03
  Speaker 3: just because I have.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 1: This censoring you about when in particular, well, I was
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 1: attempting to get you to stop talking about.
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 3: Well, primarily, there seems to have been a bit of
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 3: an issue with the way that I've been talking about
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 3: Lou and his association with a TIP, because I think
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 3: that a TIP was actually a cutout. It wasn't a
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 3: real program, and it was a cutout that was actually
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 3: created for To the Stars Academy and ORSAP, which was
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 3: more of a kind of you know, precursor program wasn't
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 3: being run by Lou Alzando. That's the Advanced Weapon Application
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 3: Space Program. I forgot the actual acronym now or SAP.
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 3: A TIP is meant to be lose, and I just
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 3: think that I have to be careful. But a very
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 3: prominent journalist in the UFO community literally told me that
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 3: Lou told him that this is this was all created
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 3: for To the Stars Academy. Is like a way to
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 3: you know, generate an understandable structure. Here's this guy, he's
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 3: running a TIP. I have an issue with the idea
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 3: that someone like luel Azando can go to the New
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 3: York Times and say that the Secretary of Defense wasn't
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 3: being briefed on UFOs and I'm the one that was
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 3: running a program. When people like Julian Assange and Edward
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 3: Snowden are being thrown to the wolves for just revealing
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 3: standard national security issues. This is meant to be even deeper, right,
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 3: It's a black black budget. This guy can just roll
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 3: out to New York Times. Seems a little bit planned,
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 3: seems a little bit curated and forced. So I started
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 3: asking those questions, and especially when things like this were happening,
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 3: where they were discrepancies, where he's bringing up images that
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 3: are being debunked, it was like, who is this guy?
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 3: You know, who is this guy really? And then his
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 3: book comes out and he's talking about being the tortures
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 3: are and in Guantanamo Bay, and you know that the
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 3: people there called him the Darth Vader of the United States.
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 3: Is in his book, you know that he admitted they
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 3: called him the tortures are of Guantanamo Bay because you know,
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 3: he ran Camp Platinum at Guantanamo Bay. Black Sites CEI
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 3: A Black Sites WHOA Yeah, So you know he actually
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 3: had in his book that he was known as the
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 3: the Darth Vader of the United States by certain peace
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 3: people and the tortures are of Guantanamo Bay. I don't
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 3: really trust people like this who you know, water boarded
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 3: people for a living, and are now trying to tell
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 3: me what's going on in the UFO subject.
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 1: Let's ask this question, what purpose would there be to
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 1: muddy the narrative? If you wanted to have a government
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 1: agent come out and have what you're claiming is like
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 1: a fake disclosure, like a government narrated disclosure, what would
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 1: be the purpose of that?
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 3: What are they all asking for? Joe money, amnesty, amnesty, amnesty.
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 3: And what was happening before that is you had someone
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 3: like Stephen Greer just saying these people need to go
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 3: to jail, and that was the only big voice in
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 3: the UFO community.
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're offering a window to possible disclosure. Though maybe
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 1: we give them this fucking amnesty. If we don't, what
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 1: happens nothing. It keeps going the same way it's been going.
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 1: There's no actual disclosure. We keep talking about it. It
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 1: gets nuts, It gets to the point where it's driving
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 1: you crazy, Like I don't even want to hear about
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 1: any fucking UFOs until you show me one. But if
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 1: it's a real subject, and the only thing that's keeping
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 1: us from learning this real subject is that, and so
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 1: they're trying to push out this narrative of amnesty. I'll
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 1: bite what are we talking about?
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 3: I think for me again coming up through it and
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 3: just seeing how these people actually act when you challenge them,
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 3: and the fact that there were absolutely organized groups of
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 3: quite frankly quite mentally unstable people that were very easily
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 3: misled into believing they're important, right, who are getting brought
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 3: into these signal chats, these private group chats, And you know,
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 3: I'm in touch of blue as I'm one of those guys.
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 3: I've been brought in and you know, they tried to useful,
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 3: useful idiot, and like there's a lot of them, and
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 3: you know there's a few people out there that are
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 3: extremely dark individuals that we're talking like, you know, connected
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 3: to all sorts of weird Satanism groups and lose just
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 3: there of selfies like hanging out with these guys like
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 3: he's a dodgy, dude, I don't care. You know, I'm
• 2:38:53
  Speaker 3: freaked out even saying this on the ju Rogan if
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 3: you know, he's like he's gonna remote view my brain
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 3: or something. But at the same time, he is a dodgy, But.
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 1: You do believe in the existence of these things.
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 3: Dude, I've had orbs hover of my house.
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you think is that there is a clear
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 1: decision somewhere in our government to muddy the water and
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 1: to put out this narrative that these whistleblowers are trying
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 1: to tell everybody, so to slowly trickle this stuff out
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 1: there and then float out amnesty, which is a big
• 2:39:26
  Speaker 1: part of the Aged Disclosure documentary. Really the first time
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: I've ever heard anybody where everyone uniformly talks about that
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 1: one particular subject.
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I think that that's the goal, is to
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 3: create a curated, soft disclosure that does the very best
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 3: to paint the government in the best possible light and
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 3: allows them to actually kind of not face too much
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 3: punishment for what's been going on in the legacy programs. Again,
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 3: if you only had someone like Stephen Greer out there,
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 3: he was offering a completely different thing. We need to
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 3: punish these people like they are criticals. They've ruined humanity
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 3: for a hundred years of stagnating technological progress.
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 1: Got a little so testy, got a little testy with that.
• 2:40:02
  Speaker 1: Should should have taken a little softer tone. Sorry, I'm
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 1: saying with him. Oh, maybe if he did that, maybe
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 1: they would have right defensive they want to lock us up.
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's it.
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 1: That's why as soon as you say you're going to
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 1: lock someone up for what they did, they're gonna say
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't do anything. Yeah, and they're gonna keep saying that.
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 3: But that's why they got rid of him. That's why
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 3: they got rid of him. That's why Gary Nolan, who
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 3: was originally with Greer, then changed over to Two the
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 3: Stars Academy and they poached quite a few people from
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 3: his team and brought him over to TTSA and he
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 3: became a para.
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 3: Again, he's he says a lot of things that quite frankly,
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 3: I don't agree with. But I just think that basically
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 3: they tried to overtake the narrative and they needed government
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 3: representatives to run this. And I just again, how they
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 3: do everything.
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 1: Why would we be shocked that they do it about
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 1: something this important, Well, especially if there is line to
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 1: Congress misappropriation of funds and for sure some fram for sure,
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 1: if you're talking about a ship ton of money.
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 3: One thing, one thing that does interest me though, is
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 3: the ARV, the Alien reproduction vehicle, the flux Liner. Have
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 3: you heard of this? You know about Mark McCandlish and
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 3: the alien reproduction vehicle. Oh well, that's if you type
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 3: in ARV flux liner you'll get this image right away.
• 2:41:16
  Speaker 3: This is one of the avenues that I would actually
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 3: pay attention to and think, Okay, I think something's going
• 2:41:22
  Speaker 3: on here. Mark McCandlish was an aerospace illustrator for the
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 3: US Air Force. That's the Yeah, so the actual.
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 1: Oh I have seen this, Yeah, of course you have.
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 3: It's very classic. And that one that's blue with the
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 3: writing all over it, that's what was held up at
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 3: the two thousand and one National Press Conference organized by
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 3: doctor Stephen Greer. Again, like you know this isn't you like?
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 3: To be fair to doctor Greer, he brought like over
• 2:41:46
  Speaker 3: fifty witnesses on live television during the National Press Conference,
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 3: and one of them was Mark McCandlish, military illustrator who
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 3: drew this sketch.
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 1: A friend of mine has a version of this framed
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 1: in his house. So do I I need we need
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 1: to go on for the student.
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 3: You can literally get one on Etsy for like one
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 3: hundred bucks, big one on Etsy. But so this is
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 3: important Mark McCandlish. He actually ended up taking his own life.
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 1: Go that back to that again. I want to read
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 1: the heading. It says, according to this documentary, we had
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 1: this the technology for fast and light travel and zero
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 1: point energy for a very long time. Let's pretend this
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 1: is true. How do we know the UAPs we sent
• 2:42:30
  Speaker 1: aren't ours?
• 2:42:31
  Speaker 3: In more modern The person who made this documentary died
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 3: of an aggressive form of cancer not long after making it.
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 3: He was quite a young man as well documentary filmmaker
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 3: who made this, but Mark McCandlish military illustrator, He had
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 3: a friend called Brad Sorenson. Brad Sorenson was a government guy,
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 3: aerospace engineer Lockheed Martin, had quite an extensive portfolio, and
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 3: Brad Sorenson goes through his body. One day, Mark mcannon
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 3: literally says, I was shown something and I want you
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 3: to draw it. I'm going to describe it to you
• 2:43:04
  Speaker 3: in great detail, and I want you to create the illustration.
• 2:43:07
  Speaker 3: Brad Sorenson says that I think it was in like
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 3: the seventies or like early late sixties or early seventies
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 3: that he was invited to a private air show at
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 3: Lockheed Martin by an individual who was a good friend
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 3: of his in the military, who was higher up than him.
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 3: And apparently this you know, he didn't have what they
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 3: call the tickets, the right classifications to actually get access
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 3: to this private air show, but his friend brought him
• 2:43:29
  Speaker 3: because he had the tickets, and essentially they bring him
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 3: into a hangar in Lockheed Martin where three large sources
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 3: of varying size were hovering a few feet off of
• 2:43:42
  Speaker 3: the ground. They were described as instantaneous nuclear payload delivery systems.
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 3: That's the way that they were actually classifying them. Had
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 3: a nickname for a month, instantaneous nuclear payload delivery systems,
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 3: like the idea that you could just instantaneously deliver a
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 3: nuclear payload to anywhere in the world.
• 2:43:57
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 2:43:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which is again of the reasons why they might
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 3: keep this stuff secret. The ships were nicknamed Mama Bear,
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 3: Baby Bear, and Papa Bear. Yeah. What's really interesting about
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 3: this is that Brad Sorenson has never gone public. But
• 2:44:14
  Speaker 3: I was in the room when he was phoned, and
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 3: I've heard him say things that have never been on
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 3: the record before. No one's ever contacted Brad Sorens and
• 2:44:23
  Speaker 3: Mark McCandlish took his own life a number of years ago.
• 2:44:27
  Speaker 3: His closest friends would say that that was not anything
• 2:44:30
  Speaker 3: untoward it's hard to know. I didn't know the man.
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 3: All I know is this is the man that produced
• 2:44:35
  Speaker 3: an incredibly profound illustration and then eventually took his own life.
• 2:44:39
  Speaker 3: But his friend, Brad Sorenson, has never gone public ever never.
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 3: I've got quite a few contacts now because of my
• 2:44:45
  Speaker 3: research and you know, affiliations that I've managed to gain
• 2:44:48
  Speaker 3: with people in like the US Navy and you know, Intel,
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 3: and a good friend of mine who was able to
• 2:44:54
  Speaker 3: actually find his number and get in touch with Brad Sorenson.
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 3: I was present when he was phoned, and you know,
• 2:45:01
  Speaker 3: my friend introduces himself to him, and he'd never spoken
• 2:45:04
  Speaker 3: to him before, and they were just talking shop. First
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 3: of all, he said that he wanted to reach out
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 3: to him because he'd heard about him through various stories online.
• 2:45:13
  Speaker 3: But in any way, to cut the long story short,
• 2:45:16
  Speaker 3: he asked him, my friend asked him about Mark McCandlish
• 2:45:19
  Speaker 3: in this alien reproduction vehicle. And Brad Sorenson went off
• 2:45:24
  Speaker 3: on quite a dire tribe, actually very angry about Mark
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 3: and how he said that I gave this man the
• 2:45:32
  Speaker 3: keys to the kingdom and he went out and told
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 3: the whole fucking world. And I will never do that
• 2:45:39
  Speaker 3: because my employers will fry me. He said, they will
• 2:45:43
  Speaker 3: fucking fry me if I speak out about this. But
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 3: I am capable of building and designing an aircraft that
• 2:45:50
  Speaker 3: can go two hundred and ten times the speed of light.
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 3: He reiterated that multiple times. Lads, yeah, ye this, I've
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 3: sat on this for a couple of years. It's about
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 3: two years ago. My friend find him.
• 2:46:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I instantaneous clear payload delivery.
• 2:46:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean you can imagine that's how the
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 3: National security system would actually look at this, not as
• 2:46:20
  Speaker 3: an exploratory vessel. But let's be honest, what is this.
• 2:46:23
  Speaker 3: It's a payload delivery system that's instantaneous. Let's be honest.
• 2:46:26
  Speaker 3: That's what they would look at it as. Right, another
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 3: reason to keep it secret probably, but that was you know,
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 3: I would love to get him on record. I don't
• 2:46:33
  Speaker 3: know if you ever will, Brad, if you're listening to this,
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 3: I would like to get you on record. But he yeah,
• 2:46:38
  Speaker 3: he said that. He said that he can design a
• 2:46:42
  Speaker 3: craft that goes two hundred and ten times as be light.
• 2:46:45
  Speaker 3: And this is the guy that gave Mark McAndlish the
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 3: illustrations to create that ARV. So it's just weird. I mean,
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 3: it's weird, dude.
• 2:46:54
  Speaker 1: This is the real question. What would civilization be like
• 2:46:58
  Speaker 1: had this stuff not been kept secret? Right? What what
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 1: if we had access to that kind of energy whatever
• 2:47:04
  Speaker 1: that thing is operating on. Could you imagine if you
• 2:47:08
  Speaker 1: had access to that energy and you're watching all these
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 1: idiots burn coal? What are you doing?
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 3: What are you doing?
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 1: But you can't say anything? Yeah, because you're being instantaneous.
• 2:47:15
  Speaker 1: I would I would clear delivery system. I'd hate to
• 2:47:18
  Speaker 1: be these people.
• 2:47:18
  Speaker 3: I'd hate to be these people. Imagine the sitting there
• 2:47:20
  Speaker 3: knowing that we have access to these kind of techs
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 3: like this.
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 1: Desire to tell people something that's really important. Manity. They
• 2:47:26
  Speaker 1: can't all be complete sociopaths.
• 2:47:28
  Speaker 3: Or maybe they do, like they screen them for that reason,
• 2:47:30
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like they have to be
• 2:47:32
  Speaker 3: a certain personality type and give a fuck about humanity.
• 2:47:34
  Speaker 1: I think, I think, honestly, I think at the highest
• 2:47:37
  Speaker 1: levels of these especially these military corporations, I think you
• 2:47:41
  Speaker 1: just have to become that anyway.
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, by forces nature.
• 2:47:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to kill one hundred thousand people today.
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 3: M yeah, exactly. I mean, how emotionally attached can you
• 2:47:50
  Speaker 3: possibly be in that kind of a big task orientosition,
• 2:47:53
  Speaker 3: So you know the Yeah, the ar V is a
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 3: provocative one for me, And to be honest about I
• 2:47:57
  Speaker 3: think a lot of this. I mean, it's called the ARV,
• 2:47:59
  Speaker 3: the Ali reproduction vehicle, and maybe we have had Alien
• 2:48:03
  Speaker 3: crashed vehicles. But I'm more tempted to believe that Nicola
• 2:48:07
  Speaker 3: Tesla's work was taken by the US government. John G. Trump,
• 2:48:11
  Speaker 3: Trump's uncle from MIT, was the one that actually oversaw
• 2:48:14
  Speaker 3: all of that, you know that, Yeah, yeah, he actually
• 2:48:16
  Speaker 3: looked at all that. You know, he found a correspondence
• 2:48:18
  Speaker 3: between Nicola Tesla and British and Russian royalty, like the
• 2:48:22
  Speaker 3: high top levels of Britain Rusian royalty about them acquiring
• 2:48:25
  Speaker 3: a super weapon of incredible power. There's a video I
• 2:48:29
  Speaker 3: actually posted it on X of John G. Trump, a
• 2:48:31
  Speaker 3: vintage video of him talking about coming across these correspondent
• 2:48:33
  Speaker 3: letters that he never found the true method of the
• 2:48:38
  Speaker 3: secret weapon or what it was, but there was correspondence
• 2:48:41
  Speaker 3: between the king and Russian Azars about acquiring it from
• 2:48:45
  Speaker 3: Nicola Tesla. So I think that they took things from
• 2:48:48
  Speaker 3: Tesla his electromagnetism studies. I think people like t Townsend Brown.
• 2:48:53
  Speaker 3: You know, these original ideas of being able to use
• 2:48:57
  Speaker 3: field induction to create positive lift. This is something that
• 2:49:00
  Speaker 3: was being looked at by humans. You don't need to
• 2:49:03
  Speaker 3: invoke flying sources crashing from alpha centuri for that. Maybe
• 2:49:06
  Speaker 3: it happened, but I would be more on the line
• 2:49:09
  Speaker 3: that we've done it ourselves. We've done it ourselves. The Yeah,
• 2:49:12
  Speaker 3: some of it the Cold War happened, Cold War paranoia,
• 2:49:14
  Speaker 3: and we've never got rid of it. All the iron
• 2:49:16
  Speaker 3: walls came up around that, and it's a case of
• 2:49:18
  Speaker 3: how do we kind of get rid of all this
• 2:49:20
  Speaker 3: legacy program, you know, stoving and stovepiping because of Cold
• 2:49:24
  Speaker 3: War paranoia. It's too late now because we're in twenty
• 2:49:26
  Speaker 3: twenty five and you've got to try and tell us
• 2:49:28
  Speaker 3: that you've got zero point energy, right, you know, we've
• 2:49:30
  Speaker 3: been flying around in fucking Right Brothers planes for one
• 2:49:33
  Speaker 3: hundred years and shit like, are you kidding me? Like
• 2:49:35
  Speaker 3: it's not going to go down. Well, so amnesty, right, yeah,
• 2:49:38
  Speaker 3: amnesty may be the only way. It might be the
• 2:49:41
  Speaker 3: only way, and if it is the only way, that's fine.
• 2:49:43
  Speaker 3: But like I said, I do have.
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  Speaker 1: It sucks that they're not going to get punished for crimes,
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  Speaker 1: but so what so at least we are not being
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  Speaker 1: punished by being withheld exactly information being withheld that I
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  Speaker 1: think would change the course of humanity in probably a
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  Speaker 1: fantastic way.
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  Speaker 3: But I do feel I feel like the world would
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  Speaker 3: have to become a more heavy controlled place for these
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  Speaker 3: types of technologies to come out, do you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like I was trying to wrap this up on a
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  Speaker 1: high note.
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  Speaker 3: Coming up, Well, this is all I'm saying, Like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the control structures around something like free energy would have
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  Speaker 3: to be quite profound because of the things we're saying
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  Speaker 3: about some psycho with a ZPE device exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So like, look what just happened in Bondai Beach in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Imagine if you have access to that, if everybody has
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  Speaker 1: access to that, especially off the internet, you figure out
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  Speaker 1: how to design one. It's not that hard.
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  Speaker 3: The world will have to become a more restrictive place
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  Speaker 3: for these things to come out public benefit.
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  Speaker 1: Now, people are going to think you're a fed people
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  Speaker 1: for saying that. Listen, man, I really enjoyed this conversation.
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  Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun and your content is excellent.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, so please tell everybody how they can watch
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  Speaker 1: more of your stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a terrible business acumen. So I just
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a good model because it's quality stuff
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  Speaker 1: and it's building and following just literally based on being good.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, brother, I appreciate you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Dude. All right, we'll do it again. Yes, goodbye everybody,
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  Speaker 1: My bye.