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Patriots Unfiltered 12/11: NFL Week 15 Picks, Bills Preview, Andy Borregales Interview · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 4: You're not worried about losing the game because of what
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  Speaker 5: I had never experienced like losing a playoff game before,
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  Speaker 5: really as like a fan chilling, and I just remember
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  Speaker 5: being absolutely distraught after they lost to Denver then too.
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  Speaker 6: That's like why I started blogging about the team. I
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  Speaker 6: think just that loss against the god.
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  Speaker 3: Whooping it up in that press box. If you remember
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  Speaker 3: Paul Mike.
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  Speaker 4: Camble, remember what happened in this season, but you remember
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  Speaker 4: the disrespect from the out of on press court.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, they told me they have a
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not.
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  Speaker 4: I heard him into.
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  Speaker 3: I heard him with the analytics. I don't shine.
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  Speaker 4: I think you're his feelings these things, and fred will
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  Speaker 4: make fun of me because these things don't generally move
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  Speaker 4: my needle one way.
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  Speaker 7: moves his need.
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome to Patriots sun Filtered.
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  Speaker 2: It is Thursday here at ji Lets Stadium, and we
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  Speaker 2: got Evan and Paul and Alex and Duce and me
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  Speaker 2: and now Alex and Matt in the booth. It's a
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  Speaker 2: big day. And my headline is things are changing. And
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  Speaker 2: when I say things, I mean the weather for game day.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And the line.
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  Speaker 4: Bad stuff coming back? Yeah, and the line the line
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  Speaker 4: just keeps yo yoing weird.
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  Speaker 2: So I was listening to your show yesterday and a
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  Speaker 2: guy said that he thinks he was responsible for this
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  Speaker 2: line change because he didn't he put down a million
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  Speaker 2: dollar bet with fanatics.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the line change was DraftKings.
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  Speaker 3: I thought the line changes through all the lines.
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  Speaker 4: No, different, different books have different spreads.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they find out about the bet.
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  Speaker 4: I'm with you on that, but continue anyway.
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  Speaker 2: One million dollars on the Patriots on the Patriot line,
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  Speaker 2: on the Patriots money line, and if he does win
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  Speaker 2: half of it, he's giving to the MSPCA. So all
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  Speaker 2: the dogs in Massachusetts are rooting for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: So on me the.
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  Speaker 7: Sure too.
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  Speaker 3: So No, but the line has changed now the Patriots
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  Speaker 3: are favorites.
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  Speaker 4: No, not not so fast, my friend.
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  Speaker 3: What it's going back?
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  Speaker 6: Now?
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  Speaker 7: What is it?
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  Speaker 4: One and a half of Buffalo?
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  Speaker 3: So it's gone back to Buffalo.
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  Speaker 4: I've happened since then, I've given I have no idea.
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  Speaker 3: But this is all money, right dictating this?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't know anything about this stuff. I
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  Speaker 4: say this all times. No I don't. I was told
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  Speaker 4: yesterday that it's not about the amount of money, it's
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  Speaker 4: about the shop money to borrow your okay, So sometimes
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  Speaker 4: you know, someone might come in that they really respect,
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  Speaker 4: you know, with a modest wager, and that could affect
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  Speaker 4: the line and stuff like that. But I don't have
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  Speaker 4: any idea what would make it go from Patriots Buffalo
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  Speaker 4: by one and a half. The next day it's Patriots
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  Speaker 4: by one and a half, the next day it's Buffalo
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  Speaker 4: by one and a half. I don't see.
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  Speaker 2: I think it really is volume money because the goal
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  Speaker 2: of the houses is to get it, even because they
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  Speaker 2: make money on the big and so their goal is
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  Speaker 2: to get it.
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  Speaker 4: I was told by my inside source this morning, yeah
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  Speaker 4: inside sor yeah, it's Will my son. He said that,
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  Speaker 4: I believe on DraftKings it said that about fifty three
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  Speaker 4: percent of the money was on the Patriots. Okay, so
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe that hasn't to your point. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: that not enough money, or maybe not the right kind
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  Speaker 4: of money in terms of who's actually betting. Maybe this
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  Speaker 4: guy that bet a million dollars isn't a sharp right,
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  Speaker 4: you know in your parlance. I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what it all means. Well, I think
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  Speaker 6: that's some of all the parts. To me, means that
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  Speaker 6: this is a very difficult game to call, and.
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  Speaker 2: That it's split and it's basically a toss basically as
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  Speaker 2: as well it should be. I think I think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: listen as much as I make fun of the Bills
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  Speaker 2: in their window closing.
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  Speaker 3: I respect them.
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  Speaker 4: I playing them this week, so we have to treat
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  Speaker 4: them with respect.
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  Speaker 10: Only only for the rest of the day.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not bar I don't think Josh Allen sticks. I
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  Speaker 2: actually don't. I think Josh Allen is, if not the best,
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  Speaker 2: of course, one of the best quarterbacks in the league
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  Speaker 2: and one of the best of all time. I just
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  Speaker 2: put him in the top fifteen of all time, if not,
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  Speaker 2: maybe top ten of all time.
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  Speaker 5: Of all time. Yeah, I would, man, Yeah, that's high praise.
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  Speaker 3: It is high praise.
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  Speaker 7: What's he won?
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  Speaker 3: What's he want?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's a fair point to.
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  Speaker 3: Be in the top fifteen. He hasn't won anything, you know,
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  Speaker 3: So I kid.
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  Speaker 5: Made a super Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 6: I think what's interesting to me is I've thought about
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  Speaker 6: this game a little bit more is what a role
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  Speaker 6: reversal it is for the Patriots. Are you over twenty
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  Speaker 6: years you established yourself as the top team in the
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  Speaker 6: in the division or in the conference, in the league,
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  Speaker 6: and these kind of big games were always about.
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  Speaker 7: Can the Patriots keep it going? You know, can they
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  Speaker 7: continue to.
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  Speaker 6: Be the favorite who everybody is, you know, thinking, is
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  Speaker 6: going to win? And now it's it's kind of changed.
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  Speaker 6: It's now can the Patriots get over the hump? Can
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  Speaker 6: they win these big games? Can they get into that conversation?
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  Speaker 6: And I think that's part of what's novel about this team,
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  Speaker 6: about this team.
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  Speaker 4: Excuse me, yeah, I choked.
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  Speaker 3: I just got to a little bit about talking about
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  Speaker 3: this guys.
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  Speaker 7: I think I'm okay.
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  Speaker 4: It's when him, but it's just different.
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  Speaker 6: You think, like Buffalo is really more in that Patriots
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  Speaker 6: role that that you're kind of used to. So many
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  Speaker 6: people are trying to figure out when was the last
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  Speaker 6: time the Patriots played a game of this kind of
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  Speaker 6: magnitude or you know, at least this opportunity to win
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  Speaker 6: a division?
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  Speaker 7: But you know, it's not.
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  Speaker 6: About taking care of business and doing what you've done.
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  Speaker 6: It's about doing something new and you know, knocking off
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  Speaker 6: a team and you know, taking advantage of an opportunity
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  Speaker 6: to win a championship.
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  Speaker 4: You know. So it's just.
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  Speaker 7: Interesting how you know, you're not I'm not really used
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  Speaker 7: to this feeling before.
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  Speaker 2: You know, what was the game in which the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: dynasty flipped?
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  Speaker 3: In other words, and the end, like.
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  Speaker 10: Was there a game in Tennessee.
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  Speaker 6: A little bit of Baltimore before that of like, I
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  Speaker 6: don't I just think they got run off the field
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  Speaker 6: and I think they were undefeated and it just felt
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  Speaker 6: like I haven't seen listening.
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  Speaker 5: To Miami in the last week of the season. I
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  Speaker 5: think was all so a very big kind of line
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  Speaker 5: in the sand.
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  Speaker 10: Those two games.
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  Speaker 2: But they didn't lose to the team that kind of dethroned,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like.
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  Speaker 7: It's a slow process, I think.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, is there really like just one moment where,
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  Speaker 6: especially with that how long they were dominant, it was
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  Speaker 6: going to take more than because I mean I bet
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  Speaker 6: you could probably even you guys probably thought it in
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  Speaker 6: twenty eighteen that there were times where they ain't got
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  Speaker 6: it this, you know, I mean, they kind of pulled
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  Speaker 6: one out of it, but they yeah, I mean, but
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  Speaker 6: signs were there, I think twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 4: I agree, And the documentary sort of chronicles that, like
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  Speaker 4: you could see how it was crumbling behind the scenes,
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  Speaker 4: behind they know, you could make an argument though it
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  Speaker 4: was just the singular move of Tom Brady's you know,
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  Speaker 4: once he once he left, because I mean, do you
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  Speaker 4: think there would have been a lot of people betting against
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots in twenty twenty. If Brady and Belichick were
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  Speaker 4: coming back, right, they probably would have been. Now, to
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  Speaker 4: Mike's point, maybe they weren't super Bowl caliber the way
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  Speaker 4: they once were, but yeah, everybody would have the Chiefs
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  Speaker 4: right now.
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  Speaker 5: Roster in eighteen was already decaying and physical literally like physically.
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  Speaker 4: But decaying with twelve wins, you know, Mike was bo Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but they.
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  Speaker 5: Were they weren't a great team in twenty eighth eighteen.
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  Speaker 4: They were not.
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  Speaker 5: They were and they flipped a switch in the playoffs
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  Speaker 5: and Brady had one more last you know, throwback ride
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  Speaker 5: in him in Kansas City. But that team was flawed.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, their weapons were already starting to really show
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  Speaker 5: age and all that stuff, and like the team in
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  Speaker 5: twenty nineteen was just beating up on bad teams and
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  Speaker 5: stuff like that, and then they fell apart. And I
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  Speaker 5: remember the story of twenty nineteen the Dolphins, the regular
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  Speaker 5: season finale against the Dolphins. Apparently they had a fully
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  Speaker 5: padded practice and the last week of the season on
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  Speaker 5: Christmas Eve heading into the Dolphins game, and they just
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  Speaker 5: like hit the crap out of each other in practice
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  Speaker 5: for no reason and it was like kind of like
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  Speaker 5: a turning point in that season a little bit. So
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  Speaker 5: that's why I pointed to that Dolphins game because the
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  Speaker 5: public did.
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  Speaker 3: I know that that they had that practice?
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  Speaker 2: I mean a reporter here, Yeah, no I know, But
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  Speaker 2: like what was that reported at the time or I
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  Speaker 2: think so really, yeah, that's what I'm asking.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I wasn't aware of it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and they, you know, some people probably didn't take
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  Speaker 5: too kindly to a week eighteen week seven million padded
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  Speaker 5: practice on Christmas, like and uh, they played like crap
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  Speaker 5: against the Dolphins.
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  Speaker 4: Remember the last touchdown it was like, you know, to
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  Speaker 4: our end in the press box like that that I
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  Speaker 4: think it was. And I just kept thinking, like, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is before the position.
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  Speaker 4: But they're not going to score. I just kept thinking
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  Speaker 4: they're not going to score. Like, son of a bitch.
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  Speaker 4: They scored and we don't get to botch like that
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  Speaker 4: never happened.
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  Speaker 2: Crazy.
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  Speaker 5: I remember I was here with Barth on that Sunday
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  Speaker 5: night we were waiting to see who they were going
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  Speaker 5: to play.
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  Speaker 4: Did you have to explain to Barth what was going on?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, okay, sometimes I don't know. You're a little mean
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  Speaker 4: to Alex, and I just want to make sure they.
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  Speaker 5: Explaining they are allowed to Alex, so just to be clear.
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  Speaker 5: Uh yeah, And we were we were waiting to see
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  Speaker 5: who they were going to play, and we were like,
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  Speaker 5: I just remember being like shell shocked that they were
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  Speaker 5: playing a game the following week. We all thought that
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  Speaker 5: the bye was right a given.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't there's any chance they would lose to Miami at home.
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  Speaker 11: That Miami game was crazy because I covered that game,
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  Speaker 11: and I'll never forget just happening to be in the
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  Speaker 11: tunnel right after, like Tom was leaving and going out
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  Speaker 11: the tunnel with little Vivian and Vivian's just laying into
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  Speaker 11: him because she can't go play on the field, and
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  Speaker 11: the look on Tom's face of just like defeat. It
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  Speaker 11: was the most human I've ever seen him, honestly, and
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  Speaker 11: I was like, oh my god, like one, he's so pissed.
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  Speaker 11: And now his little like eight year old daughters just
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  Speaker 11: calling him the worst at ever because she can't go
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  Speaker 11: run around on the field.
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  Speaker 3: No one hated losing more than him. Yeah, So okay,
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  Speaker 3: just a.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, It's it's interesting that that is probably that all
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  Speaker 4: of that is the that's probably.
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  Speaker 6: The end of the Patriot now, and I draw some
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  Speaker 6: comparisons to what Kansas City is going to go through
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  Speaker 6: now and you know, needing to redefine themselves a little
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  Speaker 6: bit and Patriots, you know, two thousand and nine, I
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  Speaker 6: think you could have said, I think there's a lot
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  Speaker 6: of similar fallen apart from Kansas City, you know, and
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  Speaker 6: then you draft Gronk and you get mccordy and et cetera,
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  Speaker 6: et cetera. You put together another team and then that
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  Speaker 6: window opens up again, and then you know again it
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  Speaker 6: started to close in twenty eighteen, really and Gronk retired,
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  Speaker 6: you didn't have and all of a sudden you got
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  Speaker 6: Matt lacosse As you're you know, that's who Brady's number
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  Speaker 6: one tight end. That was what the plan was. Demere
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  Speaker 6: Bird came like, you know, after that, like they just were.
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  Speaker 3: El Due's DU's magnetic.
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  Speaker 5: Taking Ben Watson out of retire, Ben Watson out of retire,
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  Speaker 5: Like there was just no plan I mean right like
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  Speaker 5: they I mean the.
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  Speaker 7: Ed on the vine and they never replaced them.
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  Speaker 6: And as guys left, they just didn't have the draft
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  Speaker 6: pieces to keep going.
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  Speaker 5: And they didn't drafted tight end for like eight years,
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  Speaker 5: but like they had.
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  Speaker 6: Mahomes, could they go and get Mahomes like a Tyler
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  Speaker 6: Warren or you know, and all of a sudden like
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  Speaker 6: all right, Kelsey can go and now you know, we
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  Speaker 6: start to do things again.
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  Speaker 7: But they got to hit. They got to hit on
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  Speaker 7: the pay.
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  Speaker 4: They have to do a better job in the draft.
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  Speaker 4: They have some players that they've gotten that have been
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  Speaker 4: productive for them, but they've had too many misses and
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  Speaker 4: the key spots that that Mahomes has relied on have
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  Speaker 4: gotten old and they need to replace some of them.
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  Speaker 4: But they'll be back.
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  Speaker 2: So the good news is I think we're on the
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  Speaker 2: verge of a new run with this team. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: saying it's going to be like the old one, but
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  Speaker 2: at least, you know, more success than more winning seasons
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  Speaker 2: than not with this team. And if they win this Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: could this be the changing of the guard in the AFCs.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I think this is the start of a rivalry.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know if there's gonna be a changing of
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  Speaker 7: a guard.
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  Speaker 6: I think that this is going to be the next
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  Speaker 6: chapter in what is going to be over the next
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  Speaker 6: three to five years, two really competitive teams that are
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  Speaker 6: going to go back and forth at each other.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Alan and may have a chance to be like
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  Speaker 5: Manning and Brady, right, you know, they have a chance
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  Speaker 5: to have that kind of run.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe not with all the supervisions, but even better because right,
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  Speaker 4: well yeah it could have had the state in the division.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, exactly. So I think that that's what we're
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  Speaker 5: more looking at, is that this is going to be
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  Speaker 5: a ten year run here where the two of them
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  Speaker 5: are just going to be going back and forth.
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  Speaker 7: I was s thinking a little about Josh Allen too.
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  Speaker 6: I made the point I think it was yesterday of
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  Speaker 6: like maybe justin Herbert being a wild card, and I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 6: dumb ask like, if this is Josh Allen's year, I
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  Speaker 6: mean he could he might get in the playoffs without Burrow,
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  Speaker 6: without Jackson, without Mahomes, Like.
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  Speaker 7: You know, yeah, there's some young upstarts like Drake May
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  Speaker 7: and bow Knicks.
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  Speaker 6: But if I'm buff, I'm looking I mean, we're all
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  Speaker 6: saying here like, oh, this is a great chance for
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  Speaker 6: the Patriots. Well, I know the Bills are a little
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  Speaker 6: down this year, but I'm saying my guy is going
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  Speaker 6: to be the best quarterback in the AFC.
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  Speaker 7: This is it.
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  Speaker 2: This is the year.
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  Speaker 7: We need to go to the super Bowl no matter
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  Speaker 7: what and win it.
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  Speaker 2: Are Yeah, it.
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  Speaker 5: Reminds me a lot of the twenty four Celtics were
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  Speaker 5: like the deck just like cleared, and it's like all
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  Speaker 5: these guys in the East get hurt and then you know, okay,
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  Speaker 5: see he gets upset and it's like you don't win
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  Speaker 5: it this year, then like when are you going to
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  Speaker 5: win it? You know, And the Celtics took care of business.
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  Speaker 4: But two coms of the Celtics that you just mentioned
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  Speaker 4: in the nineteen Bruins which got the you know, the
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  Speaker 4: easy path to the Stanley Cup finals and played an
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  Speaker 4: inferior opponent in the final and lost to them. The
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  Speaker 4: Celtics took care of business and won it. Someone's gonna,
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  Speaker 4: you know, have a not an easy path in the
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: AFC because I think they're good teams. But when when
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: you eliminate the big boys like Borrow, Jackson and Mahomes,
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: it's an easier path than it might have been.
• 15:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 15:00
  Speaker 6: I saw a comment that that Connor mc McGovern, yeah
• 15:03
  Speaker 6: mc government center made that, you know, pointing out and
• 15:06
  Speaker 6: I mean he's right that teams like the Patriots and Bonick.
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: They don't really have a lot of big game experience,
• 15:13
  Speaker 6: you know, pressure packed experience in Buffalo does have that, and.
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: I kind of chuckled at some of that. They're trying
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: to like do what Fred does, like they're trying to
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: paint themselves out, like you know, no one believes in Okay,
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: all right, Buffalo. I mean you're the big dogs, like
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: people still think that you can win even though you're
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: in second place, so let's not try They're trying to
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: play the underdog role. I don't think it's working very much,
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: but good for him.
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: Well, I also think that it's kind of not totally
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: true because like Stefan Diggs has played in big games, right,
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: I haven't played in Buffalo in big games. You know.
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: A lot of the free agents, said the Patriots brought
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: in have played a Super Bowl, have played in big games.
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: So I agree that David Drake May hasn't played in
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: a playoff game. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I guess that's true.
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: Christian Gonzales. You know, also if you want to go
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: with some of the younger players on the Patriots roster.
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: But I think they did a nice job of bringing
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: in some veteran guys that do have some big game experience.
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: You know, Landry you know was in Tennessee during those
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: playoff runs. So I think they do have some. I mean,
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: it's maybe not a team like Buffalo that's been in
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: the playoffs for five straight years that has almost all
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: of it. But I don't know if there's none. You know,
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: when you take into account all the free agents that
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: they brought in, does.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: The fact that Buffalo hasn't really well not has not
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: gotten the job done in any of those years mean
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: anything like yeah, you know you've been in big games,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: but ultimately you didn't get it done well.
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: Can't keep on running at the Kansas City.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah right, you dismissed them because of that because it's
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: all about you to win the Super Bowl.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: You stink, right.
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: But if I'm Buffalo, I'm saying, this is our chance,
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: this is it, you know, like they're out of the way, like,
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: you know, if not now when probably only a matter
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: of time before Kansas City reloads.
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm not dead.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: So Buffalo, I think, is in a very similar situation
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: as Kansas City. This is a reset year for them.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: They need to reload, you know. And Evans talks about
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: like Keon Coleman. That's the guy that Evan and I
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: sort of point out all the time. That's a big miss,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Like you need they need, what's their glaring need a
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: number one receiver. Khal is fine, he's not a number
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: one receiver. It's probably not even a two.
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it's as bad, but like Keon
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: Coleman's a little Nikhil harry Ish where like you needed
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: that big time playmaker and you drafted one pretty high
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: and you missed, you missed. And not only has he
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: not produced, but he also hasn't really been that great
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: of a.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Teammates missed off the field, yeah.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and like these like missing meetings and stuff like that.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: So they've had all sorts of issues with him. You know,
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: Shavers has kind of come out of nowhere and like
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: been like a saving grace for them because they they
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: haven't really had anything else on the outside. They like, yeah,
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: bring Gabe Davis back, you know, after his stint with
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: Jacksonville and they gets cut by Jacksonville and the Bills
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: bring him back. So it's been a little bit of
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: a of a miss in terms of that. And I
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: think that Brandon Bean and McDermott are very much on
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: the hot seat. I think Bill's mafia is.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: I wonder if mc dermott's going to survive this. I do,
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: and I'm not telling you that he should go, but
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: I think that there's a chance that he does. I
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: think there's a real chance that you're going to have
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: big time coaching turmoil in the AFC. I think there's
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: a chance that tomlin In Harbaugh go to I.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: Just think, like, if you're if you're Buffalo, I just
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: don't know how you don't clean house at that point,
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: because I think the roster is just as much to
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: blame as the coach, Like mcdermot's had his chances, and
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: so if you're going to move on from the coach,
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: it's going to be because of that.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Like, but can you really look at, you know, the
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: fact that Buffalo hasn't done at all and say it's
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: because of coaching?
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: I think so, Oh, I think people people would, Oh,
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: they would, But it's that fair. I don't know if
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: it's fair. But to Evan's point, I think it's more
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: on the coach than it is the GM. Now this
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: particular year, they're definitely short on talent in some spots.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: But I also think that they've been really unlucky in
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: some of the talent they've acquired, but the coach can't
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: get them over the hump, right.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: I don't think he's a bad coach, but like what
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: Paul just said, you know, is he the coach that's
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: going to get you to that next level? And when
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: you have the MVP of the league on your team,
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: you need to be at that next level. And it
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: just mcdermy might be the coach before the coach, Like,
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: if they get the right guy, then it might take off.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: And I think you have to weigh that risk.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a copycat league in this year. You know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: at least three teams that I can think of brought
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: in new coaches and had pretty good success.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: You know, the three there's going to be three playoff
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: teams at least, right with Jacksonville, Chicago, Chicago and the
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Patriots now Chicago. I think kind of teetering there.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's a rough year.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: It's roughly.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: The coaching cycle doesn't look great like the available coaches.
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: What about Joe Brady is he?
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, you if you clean house, if you get
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: rid of McDermott, do you get a new offensive coordinator,
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: do you.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: Put you well, likely he'll go. I mean, what are
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: the chances that a new coach is say no, I'm
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: going to keep you know, I would assume they generally
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: want their own guys.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: I would assume they go. It would go offense too,
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: like their coach would be some Den Johnson whiz kid
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: that you know can coach up the.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: Offense table will get brought up because of his relationship
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: with Alan Sure.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: So I would like to see that Patriots practice yesterday.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: We got the practice report and all the headlines on
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Paul shows are.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Patriots are healthy?
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Is that fair?
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I mean with Milton Williams outy, Milt.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Campbell out and that's it. Stop but here, those are
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: two big players, you know, yeah.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: But that's it. Everybody else came back. But I thought
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: that was a really encouraging practice.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: It was one of the shortest it's been in a while.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: You know, obviously this late in the season, that makes sense,
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: but it's a it was pretty short and like even
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: like Barmore, like he's on there, but like Barmore's thing
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: is different, like that's not an injury.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Every Wednesday, yeah.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: And Thursday, for the most part. So it's just I
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: think really the only injury is what's going on at
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: running back with Terrell Jennings, and it's not a major thing.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: I was talking to Alex about this off there earlier,
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: Like this Antonio Gibson injury has led to like a
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: big ripple effect on that room because like they've you know,
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: had to Earnis Johnson up from the practice squad. Then
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: they had Terrell Jennings up from the practice squad. Now
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: he's hurt and Johnson's out of elevation, so then he
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: needs to be signed to the roster to make him
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: eligible to play. So like they lost Antonio Gibson early
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: on in the season, and I think they've made probably
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: like a dozen transactions to try to cover that.
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: In yesterday, they're taking of practice squad are back.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: It's just on this I understand it. There's not a
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: team in the league that wouldn't say, we'll deal with,
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: you know, having to worry about a third running back,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: and we'll mix and match it. You know, we'll do
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: a couple of elevations for this guy. Then he's out
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: of elevations, we're gonna hold off. We're not gonna put
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: him on the Rod, We'll find another guy to put
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: some elevation is in and you know for the third run,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Like if Ray Davis wasn't playing in this game for
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: the Bills, you think they'd be losing sleep over.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: I'm not losing carries someone that tracks all of these
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: things and writes about all these taction.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: I'm not dismissing it as nothing, but every week it
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: kind of shows you how healthy they've been. Yeah, every week, I'm.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: Writing about who the who's going to be the third
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: running back every week because it just has to change
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: because you have to write that up.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: As much as you love to write the UH, I
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: do an active analysis.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: I do that one not so much. Friday injury report
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: is low.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: The abdomen I believe popped up on these report. I
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: mean that's and Harold Andry continues to be limited. So
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: that's to me, is is significant. I'm not sure he's
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: ever going to get if.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: They were to lose Venerian low, that's significant. So now
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: you're really chipping away, and you know, I'm sure they
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: could they could scheme around it. But now you're talking
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: about some of these other teams. You're going down to
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: third and fourth tackles, fifth tackles.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: That's when when you start having to scheme around your
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: left tackle, it's it's limiting you in your playbook.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Done it great though, they've done a great I think
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Josh has done a great job of that all year.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: It's such a contrast to what they did last year
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: when those guys both tackles were on islands like every
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: game and you see the difference between having a little
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: game plan that Evan's been talking about and that's how
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: you get by you just scheme around it.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Buffalo two on their injury report, cool Bishop the
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: safety and Kink.
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: We're full.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: Terrell Bernard, Joey Bosa, Spencer Brown, and Palmer were all limited,
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: but a bunch of guys that.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: They didn't practice though walked through. It was a walk
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: through estimate.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: So those four guys are the big big four right
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: now for Buffalo. They've been in and out. Spencer Brown
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: said yesterday to the idea that he's going to play,
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: but the last time we saw him with the bump shoulder,
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: Will Anderson was eating his lunch, So I don't know
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: what he's going to you know what level play, you
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: know he's going to be at when he comes back
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: from the injury. And then you know, Paul is kind
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: of sneaky, you know, fast receiver to get down the
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: field a little bit something they don't have a ton of.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: So Bernard's a huge part of their the second level
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: of their defense, their linebacker positions. So those guys have
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: been in and out of the lineup and Bosa to
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: uh and they need they're they're hoping that they come
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: back like those are not guys that they're overlooking and
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: like we are with Terrell Jennings and being like it's
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: the third running back. This is not that, this is
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: like starting caliber players.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Barton Poland's in the hospital recovering and listening, So
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: get better soon.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I get what was wrong, but.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: I hope it's nothing too serious, Well.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Not bad enough to keep them from the type. Yeah,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: so we can type. So it wasn't his fingers. But
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: get better, someone's hospital, visit and talk to text.
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah I wrote it. I'm not only feeling better, I'm
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: feeling amazing.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: People.
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: Dark friend Freddie Fields is dark Freddy Fields today, Freddie Fields.
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: He dies? He dies?
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: What else? What else?
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: I got you in my heart part? I'm sorry? I can't.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: I can't speak for the rest of my my crew here.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: That's that's just, that's that's tough.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: What else?
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: What else? We got Bill's bills?
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Bills they're playing.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know do we have there's no I just
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: I thought that was good development yesterday with the practice
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: report and getting some guys, you know, Tonga and h
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: In Wilson being full.
• 25:47
  Speaker 11: Especially because Wednesday is the day where they always just
• 25:49
  Speaker 11: got those veterman and rests, like load management days.
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: But I just I'd ask Alex and Evan if they agreed.
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: Yesterday the locker room felt like it was packed.
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: It felt like a play off game kind of to me,
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: like it's just so much media and yeah, hopefully the
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: energy will continue.
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: Sorry, Fred, seeing that the window.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Is closing and no, no, no, no, no, read it again,
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: you're not making.
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: The window is closed.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: According to Albert.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: This is this is like Bruce and sometimes we get tired.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: R bars red in the face. Right now, the window is.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Closing, but brought since the window never opened. Yeah, I've
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: never seen anybody hate a team the way he hates Buffalo.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: It's great, it's good. It's a good contrast because you know,
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: I kind of have a soft spot for for Josh Allen,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: so kind of it's it's a good contrast.
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: I mean, we just saw the Patriots go from four
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: wins to eleven wins, and a lot of that was
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: based on quarterback play. I don't understand how you can
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: rule out any of these teams with the quarterbacks, like.
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: You know, like it's season with Josh Allen and Boom.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's all over for Baltimore and Kansas
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: City either, But if you wanted to make the argument
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: at six and seven for those two teams that this
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: is the beginning of the end, at least you have
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: something to go. Buffalo's nine and four. Like for all
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: the things that everybody says they can't do, and some
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: of them are true, like they can't stop the run
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: as one of them, they're nine and four. So I
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: don't know, like if it's the disaster that everybody else
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: makes Buffalo out to be, I don't think it's that bad.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know if if you believe in SIMS. But
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I got some bad news for some people Patriots fans. Chris, Yeah,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: the Patriots Buffalo sim I thought.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: We were talking about. I would have been much more
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: interested in Chris Sims, who has been a staunch Patriots
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: supporter all year.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: The Patriots lost the simulation game.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Oh oh, well, you know what that means.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: I have receiats on Chris Simms.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: I mean in all series and stuffs. Is there anyone
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: you don't have a receipt on?
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: He's squints, as he says it. I have received.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: Somebody that ranked Drake may is the sixth best quarterback
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: in his draft class.
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: Boom.
• 28:00
  Speaker 12: Well.
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: He always seemed really kind of hard on Brady and Bill.
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: I was always surprised by that initially, like he always was,
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: you know, having ranking had.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Something happened here.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: You know, he worked here for a cup of coffee,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: and I don't know if.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: He's he came a season here and he spent more
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: time with us than with football, so I'm not sure
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: that was a good his career path. He would hang
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: out in the the old lunch room and play the
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: birthday game with us back in the day.
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: He still played the birthday game back then.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: What's the birthday?
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bob would go into the Boston Globe and find
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: out whose birthdays it was today, and you'd have to
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: guess how old.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: How old.
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: Are going on decades?
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Chris spent a lot of time in the lunch
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: room with us. Great guy, was the immediately Fred Wright.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: I think that that may have been an indication that
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: maybe wasn't going as well joing his actual job.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: Did he still wear like the tight little button callers
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: that he that he's famous for?
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Gotta love Patriots gear on all the time? Who's dressed like?
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Not?
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: Not like you?
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: Was he like grilling you about media and what do
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: I gotta do? Paul? Talk to me? What can I
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: do to make a name for myself?
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: No, he was not growing me.
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: I have a controversial frankings sixty two.
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: No, wait, sixty one, sixty one.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: You get two points for for hitting it on the head,
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: one point for me and the closest Jeopardy rules.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: All right, well, we gotta do picks today, so we
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: gotta hurry. So let's get what.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Does jeopardy have to do with being over the strice?
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Is right, but let's get people involved here sixty what
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: they have to say?
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Stop talking? We'll go to the most interesting Patriots fan
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: in the world.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: James Pettigrew was calling from Belize.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: What's that are you getting?
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: Ready for me, James, I'm coming down.
• 29:50
  Speaker 13: I am getting ready for you.
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: All right, what are we doing?
• 29:52
  Speaker 13: We win a Super Bowl?
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: First? Okay, car dealership, I hate you that.
• 30:00
  Speaker 13: Unlike Fred, the main reason I'm calling is to slag
• 30:05
  Speaker 13: Evan off about analytics. Right now, what's going to get
• 30:08
  Speaker 13: into some argument about risk reward ratio. But what I
• 30:11
  Speaker 13: was thinking is a couple of years ago, one of
• 30:13
  Speaker 13: these NFL owners went to one of his Wall Street
• 30:16
  Speaker 13: mates who manages his money, and said, look, you've got
• 30:18
  Speaker 13: a lot of smart quantitative analysis. Why do you send
• 30:21
  Speaker 13: a few over to the football team. Because the first
• 30:24
  Speaker 13: thing about this is the smartest quantitative analysis in America
• 30:28
  Speaker 13: are not working for the NFL. They're working in Wall Street.
• 30:31
  Speaker 13: And any of these smart guys in the NFL, if
• 30:33
  Speaker 13: they can predict this stuff, why aren't they also working
• 30:36
  Speaker 13: on Wall Street. Now I can't see the kron Keys saying, oh,
• 30:40
  Speaker 13: this guy is really good quantitative analysis managing my money.
• 30:44
  Speaker 13: Let's send them to Sean McVay so he can help
• 30:47
  Speaker 13: with walk down conversion and that sort of thing. So
• 30:50
  Speaker 13: what you've got to ask these quantitive guys is why
• 30:53
  Speaker 13: aren't they working on Wall Street? And while are they
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: making loads of money. The last thing I think, which
• 30:59
  Speaker 13: is I think there's just a big stitch up between
• 31:02
  Speaker 13: Wall Street building the NFL is which team do you
• 31:07
  Speaker 13: think invest the most? And Analytics gets repeated rewards for
• 31:12
  Speaker 13: being the best team in analytics each year. If you
• 31:16
  Speaker 13: can't work it out, it's probably the easiest team you'd
• 31:19
  Speaker 13: want to pull the wool over their eyes and steal
• 31:21
  Speaker 13: money from.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: What you're about to say is wrong, That's okay, go.
• 31:25
  Speaker 13: Ahead, No, No, well I was about to say it to
• 31:27
  Speaker 13: Cleveland Browns. Yeah, I know you're going to say that
• 31:30
  Speaker 13: in two thousand and three, two thousand and four, they
• 31:33
  Speaker 13: have the biggest staff and bigger that Look, this is
• 31:36
  Speaker 13: my only point. If these people are really brilliant, Evan,
• 31:39
  Speaker 13: why are they working on Wall Street making millions of
• 31:42
  Speaker 13: dollars and while the owners of these football teams taking
• 31:45
  Speaker 13: these brilliant people and saying, look, you can predict the future,
• 31:48
  Speaker 13: please look.
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: After my money.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Well maybe they just like football man.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: No, they've always wanted to found a way to do it.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like, I don't know.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Like James, I love the argument, I don't know.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: How like, why does any of us do any of
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: the jobs that we do because we we want to
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: work in the field that they want to work.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: But if I had that brain, I'd be using it
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: to make a lot of money.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I would just say that. You know, he
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: brought up the Browns. They always are the team that
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: gets brought up.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: Paul Deepadesta just left the Browns to go back to baseball.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: The Philadelphia Eagles are the most analytically driven team in
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: football and they just won the Super Bowl. So uh
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: they their front office.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I thought they won because they had a good offensive
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: and defensive line.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: I didn't say it was the only reason that they won.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: I said that they are very analytically treated. They're off,
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: so uh yeah they Howie Roseman their front office. They
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: have a huge analytics staff. They do a lot of
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: number crunching there. Cleveland does as well, and it hasn't
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: paid dividends for Cleveland like it has for Philadelphia. There's
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: no doubt about that. Look I I we can argue
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: about this all the time if we want. All thirty
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: two teams have analytics departments. All thirty two teams are
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: investing in analytics. All thirty two teams are using analytics
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: to drive decision making. So I understand not everybody is
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: going to be into it. Not every people are going
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: to be reluctant to it, and that's totally fine. This
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: is now a part of sports and really all sports,
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: you know, until it isn't. I just the infrastructures that
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: they've built across the for major sports leagues to then
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: just rip it all down, it just seems pretty unrealistic
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: to me. I mean, maybe they start going away from
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: it at some point.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: But it's just the amount of emphasis, that's all. It'll
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: always be part of it.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: I think the amount of emphasis has made more of
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: a bigger deal in the media than it is internally.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: Maybe with all the teams, I think we make a
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: bigger deal out of it than they do.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: So Ryan and Riley just writing about a University of
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Pennsylvania article that supports me in my argument.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: But that's all right. I'm not going to get it.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: To it because modesty, yeah, prevents you from getting into it.
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I could I bring up a topic for discussion
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: that just the collective bargaining agreement and the officials.
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: Did you guys see that yesterday about this is all
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: we're talking about?
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this is apart from Tom Pealisaro yesterday, the NFL's
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: collective bargaining agreement with officials is set to expire on
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: May thirty first, and trade in Some told owners today
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: that talks on a new deal have been unsuccessful as
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: the league pushes for a performance based model. Areas of
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: focus for the NFL and any new deal include gonn
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: This come from Tom Pelisaro. The league tying compensation to performance,
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: greater flexibility, giving the best performing officials postseason assignments, access
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: to more practice reps, extended probationary period to assess game officials,
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: and flexibility to remove those who are underperforming, shortening the
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: dead period that currently runs from the Super Bowl through
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: May fifteenth, and increasing the number of game officials to
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: develop a deeper bench.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Interesting, the bench thing is something they really need. Sense
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: of this.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Whole thing is that the stems from the league wanting
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: the officials to have more behind the scenes practice and
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: not make them full time. But right now there's you
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: can't the officials have a window that they're quote unquote
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: off limits to the NFL, and it's from like send
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: of the Sea Bowl, and so they're trying to negotiate
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: having more time in that window to give reps to
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: officials to practice officiating. But the hang up is what's
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: in it for the officials, Like are you going to
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: pay the refs for their time?
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: They should?
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: And I think that.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Has been the part that has been failed to collectively bargain,
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: is that the league is probably saying, yeah, I'll give
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: you some some you know, jelly of the month club memberships,
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: and they're saying no, no, no, we will, especially.
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: If it's like it's like incentive based contracts for reps
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: on performance too.
• 36:00
  Speaker 10: That's probably a huge.
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: Hang up, right, yeah, negotiation.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I'm old enough to remember and sow it's everyone here.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: But when this last happened, they had the hold out
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: or the lockout or it wasn't a strike, right, it
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: was twelve with the Remember the Patriots Ravens game. Wasn't
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: that the Seahawks.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: The game that ultimoil that ultimately ended it. Yeah, that
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: call ultimately ended it. But Bill assaulted a guy in
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: the field against the raven against the Ravens.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they they screwed us.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: Assaulted to a little.
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: But I kind of like he hit him. Yeah, this
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: felt like an at least hit him.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: He hit his arm, punch him, but he made contact.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: We went out to grab his arm. He needed to
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: get the guy was running away, come back and hit him.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Oh that's that's poor a journalism, Paul.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't say he punched him.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: The ref he said he hit him.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: He hit He didn't hit it in contact with him.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, the ref was running away and he reached out
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: to grab his arm to get his attention.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Then bumped him.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: No, that was our security card.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Oh no, oh no, that was That was a different time.
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: I left that one out, but I realized, this is
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: this the opening salvo of a negotiation.
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: But I at least in like the.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: Fact that it seems like they're acknowledging that the performance
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: of the officials has not been acceptable in some instances
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: and that they're going to try try to take steps.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: To you know, I thought I saw something recently that
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: they're working I think with the Big twelve, sort of
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: in conjunction with the Big twelve, trying to cultivate a bench,
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: you know, get some college guys that you know, are
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: looking to move up some kind of program, training program, program.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: I just wonder, how like, how do you think twelve
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: would be a program you're right.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: In Like March, they have like a summit and they're
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: like all right, like for a week, you guys are
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: going to come out and we're going to train you guys.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: Oh there's no players, Like, so like what's the training that? Yeah,
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: Like it's not like a live game is happening, Like
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: are you going to the spring leagues? Like is that
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: where you're gonna.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Have never been a huge thing of everybody just automatically
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: blanket statement they need to be full time. Yeah, yeah,
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: And I just don't think that that's a fix, you know.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: So what would Paul, what would your fix be?
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: They need to get better. I mean, there's no question
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: about that. But I like, but I like some of
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: the stuff that that Pallisera is reporting about performance. I know,
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: but like like there needs to be repercussions when you
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: call that play an incomplete past the other right, like
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: that replay guy who did nothing but mumbo jumbo and
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: his pool report needs to be called on the carpet
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: for that.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I hear that.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: So do you think that makes them better? Like having
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: that threat that over their head hanging over their head?
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do when there's repercussions. So when you when
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: you do this, you better be right. But when you're
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: when you're turning over these.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Plays, oh, I know. Currently they are graded after every game.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there needs to be more into that.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: I think the expedited replay has worked for the most
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: the most part, I would agree.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: I think that.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Hasn't made it a little bit better. You know, just
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: let's just get the obvious. It's gonna happen. It's fast,
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: the game moves really quick. It's hard to officiate, so
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: let's just get the obvious ones correcta see.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I think you know, and I joke about virtual reality,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: but I do think there is a way to train
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: in the off season without a live game and using
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: virtual reality and giving them you know, you have two
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: seconds to make that call. You know, you're whether you're
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: wearing goggles or not, you're seeing it somehow and you
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: have to make the call. You're timed for accuracy, for speed.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I think there is a way to train now now nothing.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: It can't hurt it. Training can't hurt, and.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: You know that lends itself to Okay, make them full
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: time and make them train for all the time.
• 39:37
  Speaker 11: I don't know what if there were like a couple
• 39:41
  Speaker 11: that could be made full time, but you have to
• 39:43
  Speaker 11: earn it, and it's not just everyone's full time today,
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: but you can achieve tenured status or you achieve a
• 39:50
  Speaker 11: certain level. It encourages guys to put more work in
• 39:52
  Speaker 11: because they want to do that. But it's also not
• 39:55
  Speaker 11: just throwing money at everyone.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: You know, so possibly, but it's got to be consistent
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: for every game, you know, So if you're going to
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: do that, then the crew has to be like, yeah,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: at least one, you know, a minimum of two full
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: timers per game.
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: I think the expedited replay to me, is just it's
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: the way if we can perfect what it can and can't.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I agree, like why can't they?
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: It should be, you know, be better.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: It should be absolutely everything everything that happens, I agree,
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: should be able to Hey, you call DPI spot foul
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: on this play. It's not DPI. We're picking up the flag,
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: you know, first and ten from the twenty five. Let's
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: go like, I don't know why that needs to be
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: And you.
• 40:39
  Speaker 11: Know they don't want to be like embarrassed or it's
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: like it feels like an ego thing because why wouldn't you?
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: But isn't it more embarrassing to get it wrong, Yeah,
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: because then it becomes a national story that they blew
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: some calls.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: So like, yeah, as a as a referee myself, like
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: you just want to get it right, like you know,
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: if I was wrong or I missed something, or I
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: was late to something.
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: And I'm thinking a lot about like these.
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: You know, hockey ref seminars that have to do online,
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: and you know, it's a lot of like what we're
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: talking about getting reps and there's you know, we'll always
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: do segments in those seminars where they'll put a play
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: up and then they'll say, all right, what do you got?
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: And then in the chat, but you'll see and maybe
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: this is a hockey thing because I think hockey it's like,
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: all right, you could get an interference on that, that
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: could be a hook, you know, like there's some gray
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: area between the calls. But it's always interesting to me
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: how even the refs, everybody sees it a little different,
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: you know, and you know, what might be a major
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: penalty in hockey to some people, might you know, I
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: only got a minor on that one, you know, so
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: it is a little bit subjective, and I just and
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: that's how they do it. I imagine that's what the reps
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: do for the NFL, Like they probably do these same
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: kind of zoom calls where they play some videos and
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: they show stuff, but there's no replication of live game
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: reps and doing it live and having to make the
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: call and seeing it quick and recognizing it.
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: But it's it's it's a really hard job.
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: I just hope they can get to a point where
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: we all just feel like it's on the level.
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: And I think there have been times this year where
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: it hasn't fault on that.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I agree with Belichick when he said make everything reviewable.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Don't increase the number of times a team can review.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Make keep you can ca that's the same, but they
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: can challenge anything.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I think the one thing that you might get
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: an advantage for with more experience is like holding, like
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: in the trenches offensive and defensive line.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: You know, guys will use certain.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: Techniques on the offensive line or you know, pass rush
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: moves or whatever, and it it like might look like
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: a hold, but like the guys that play the game
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: or have played the game would are like, that's not holding, right, Like,
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: you know, that's a rip move. He ripped through and
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: now he's in a compromised position, so it looks like holding,
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: but he did that to himself, like he put him there.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: So maybe if you had some of this more full
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: time training, like these referees would know what a rip
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: move is and would understand like when that happens, like
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: that's not a hold, or like now it's the big
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: one is the snatch move where the guy just kind
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: of pulls the guy forward and you know, pulls the
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: table out from underneath him, and they're calling that holds
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: a lot of the time. But that's like a technique
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: that's being coached to the offensive line. So that's like
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: a football play, Like that's not you know, it's not
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: like holding, like when you get outside the frame and
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: you're pulling guys down. So I wonder if maybe some
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: of those things, like well, what.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Would you think about the incorporation of the delayed call,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: so in other words, like lacrosse flags down, But if
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: it yeah, if it doesn't have any bearing on the play, okay,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: forget it, and they do the same thing.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: All right, I saw this hold way over there. I'm
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: gonna throw the flag delayed call.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: But at the end of the play, if it didn't
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: have anything to do with the play, then I'll pick
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: it up.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so there was a I hate it.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: I like to I could hear more about it, because.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: There was a play for the Patriots a couple of
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: weeks ago that Jack Westover got called for a hole
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: that wiped out like a twenty yard run, and as
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: the ball was already like ten yards past Jack Westover,
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: he took out, he took down his guy.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: But I also think it was a bad call, and well.
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: But that but the point that I'm trying to make
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: is that not only was that kind of an if
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: he call it also but he already blocked the guy
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: like it had no bearing whatsoever on the play. But
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: maybe by the letter of the LAE it was a hold,
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: but it was a hole that happened ten yards away
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: from the actual ball.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: And maybe maybe okay, so maybe on these delayed calls,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't have a bearing, so you don't
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: negate the play. But the player that committed the penalty
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: has to sit out of play.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: So they played ten on eleven.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: No, you could substitute, but no, it could be your
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: left You can sit on the side.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Play.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, it could be your best left tackle that has
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: to sit out of play because you.
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: Know, it's a little like the uncatchable thing, you know,
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: where it's like it would have been but he wasn't catchable.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: They don't seem to call that anymore, and like, I
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: hate That's one of my rules that I hate the most,
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: just because I've seen too many ridiculous catches.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you just don't know.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Can I ask you when you go to practice during
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: the course of the season, is there ever any refs
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: out there?
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: Not during the course of the season.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: So I was watching whatever the version of hard knocks
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: in season is.
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: Is that what they call it now?
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's an NFC East. I was watching
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: the Giants a little bit. It was the week the
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: Patriots were playing the Giants, and there was an official
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: out there. I didn't remember there being officials at practices
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: during the course of the season, but this was might
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: be a way. Yeah, Like Jackson Dartt was talking to
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: the one of the offensive coaches and it was a ref.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: I've never seen a ref in uniform. Maybe they're coming
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: and hanging out and saying, like, you know, so guys
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: can off to the side can say hey, like I
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: got a question for you, like, you know, is this
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: is this holding or is that I.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Also wonder if it was an actual current NFL ref
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: or maybe someone.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: Jean Horror was there.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like maybe someone who's looking to work his way
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: up and he's trying to get some practices, you know whatever.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: I'd kind of like to see that the elimination of
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: that points of emphasis where you get in the preseason
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: and everybody's getting called for this one random penalty, and.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: Then you get to the season and it kind of
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: that would be part of the whole thing. We've gone
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: a while on this, but just simplifying the rule book
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: a little bit, and like I've kind of ranted a
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: little bit about the two guys in motion, right so
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: now the second guy is finishing his shift and he's
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: not quite set for a full second flag, Like can
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: we eliminate these things? You know? Can we allow the
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: tackle to maybe be offset a little bit from time
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: to time as long as he's not egregiously in the backfield,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: like if he's like way behind, everybody call that. But
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: those rules were all put in play to clarify things
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: for the defense. That's why there was the sort of
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: implementation of like you need seven guys on the line
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: of scrimmage and there's only certain amount of guys that
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: are eligible. Was all to make things a little bit
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: easier for the defense to understand who they had to cover.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Like if the tackle is a little bit off set,
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: no one thinks, well, he's off the line, he's eligible,
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: Like you're not. You know, I understand you're getting an
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: advantage in pass protection because that's why the guys do it,
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: is because they don't trust their past sets and whatnot.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: But some of those little things, I think they could
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: make it a lot easier for the referees them because
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: it's not an easy thing to do. As much criticism
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: as I give my I recognize that it's a hard
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: sport to officiate.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: I think the offensive line alignment thing is important because
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: of what it gives them a head start. But the
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: one that bugs me the most, that wipes out more
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: big plays across the league is the illegal shift. Yes,
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: and I still have not heard a great explanation as
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: to what major advantage the offense is getting that Hunter
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: Henry is like finishing his shift in his like feet
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: aren't totally set, and that somehow is some huge advantage
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: to the offense.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Also, what we're seeing though, is people like making that mistake.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: If you eliminate the rule, now think of what teams
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: can do well.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: But I think the important part of the.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: What's the big deal have three guys in motion?
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: Oh no, no, you'll only have one guy in motion at
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: a time.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: The important part of the rule that is in that
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: needs to stay in is that you can't be motioning
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: towards the line of scrimmage. Is an arena football, right,
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: you can't get a running start at the line of scrimmage.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: But he's not getting a running start.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: He's that play in the Monday night game that wiped
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: out a touchdown that had nothing to do with the play.
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: It has more big plays get taken off the board
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: because of illegal shifts than any other penalty that that
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: like that you know, pre snap procedural penalty.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: I think they can simplify things.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: And you know, and then not the least all catch
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: with the all the mobile quarterbacks extending plays is the
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: ineligible man down field too.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: That's another one.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and now when I you know that's that rule
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: is different from the college rule, which I like because
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: in college you get these RPOs or these linemen are
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: like eight yards down the field. It's like, this is ridiculous, Like,
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: how are you supposed to defend that? But now you're right,
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: you know, there was a play I think it might
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: have been the Giants game too, where Drake slid in
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: bounds and took a sack and it was a screen,
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: it was supposed to be a screen and the screen
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: got blown up. But he couldn't throw the past because
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: there was linemen down the field. So if he had
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: thrown the pass then he would have gotten called for
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: a legal man down the field. So instead of having
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: to throw the ball away, he ended up taking a hit,
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: you know, in a sack to you know, not avoid
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: the to avoid the penalties. So that rule I kind
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: of liked. But the shifts need to they need to
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: do something about the shifting. It's ridiculous.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: All right, let's see what people have to say. Sam's
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: an Easton. Hey Sam, Hey you guys, that's going.
• 49:38
  Speaker 12: Good.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:39
  Speaker 14: I had a question for you guys, but first I
• 49:41
  Speaker 14: wanted to say shout out to Ludlow. I know Alex
• 49:45
  Speaker 14: is from there. I'm from Wolverham initially, and I heard
• 49:47
  Speaker 14: you guys snickering about Western Mass a little bit last
• 49:49
  Speaker 14: week A little bit, Yeah, but.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: The mass considered central Mass or is that Western Mass?
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Western Western?
• 50:06
  Speaker 14: Yeah? But I want to know, like what your guys
• 50:10
  Speaker 14: game day was like and the element of being a
• 50:12
  Speaker 14: fan having to miss out on you know, watching with
• 50:15
  Speaker 14: your friends, tailgating, having beers. What's that like for you guys.
• 50:20
  Speaker 14: I've always wondered that.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: Well, from my experience, what's the worst part of the
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: job for you?
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: No, well, I mean when I started this, like blogging
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: and stuff, like, I was in California by myself, and
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: that was why I love Twitter back then, just because
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: that was my connection. But a lot of the games
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: I would watch by myself, Like I would work for
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: Bleacher Report doing live blogs during the game, and so
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: I didn't really like there were times when I went
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: to the bar and watch with people, but I never
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: really I mean other than growing watching games growing up
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: with my family, you know, I never really had like
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: a group of.
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: Guys that we went into Patriot games and watch.
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: I mean, I am jealous when I walked through the
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: parking lot and I think, man, it'd be great to
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: just have a couple of drinks and a sausage and
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: you know, watch the game and not.
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: Have to worry about, you know, working. But it's I mean,
• 51:00
  Speaker 7: it's different, but I enjoy it in a different way.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: We were driving in today I had you know, I
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: mentioned my son's here today and he went to the
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: Monday night game against the Giants. He went with my
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: brother in law and my nephew. They had about twelve
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: of them. Right, So we're driveing in just now and
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: he's like, yeah, we were right over there. He goes,
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: it was like absolutely electric. It was such a cool night.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: The vibe was so cool, and you know, they had
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: all this food and stuff. And that's to answer the
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: question in one sentence. I was jealous of my son,
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: you know, like just being able to enjoy it that way.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: It's been a long time.
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: I watched the first sixteen years of the Dynasty with
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: my dad, and then I started covering the team in
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: two thousand and eight.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: So like to make a documentary about it.
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: Doubt for both of us, that was hard, Like it
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: was hard to Now I'm working on Sunday and he's
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: at home watching the game, and we literally every Sunday
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: it was me and him on the on the couch
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: watching every page.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I regret the boast is I haven't been able to
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: cheer for the Patriots, and over thirty years, Fred.
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: You're sure for the pat during the game. I see
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: we sit next to you in the press.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm more professional than.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: I will say that you stay reasonably quiet?
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Do you hear it?
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Because you're sitting next to the reason.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: But it's more in your point, it's really more about
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: when bad things it's.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do that.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of heavy sign there is. There's a
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: lot of heavy sign.
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: That's when I get nervous when Fred starts heavy signing.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I'm like, uh, yeah, there's a lot of heavy nothing.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: You know, back to the officials, there's nothing like the
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: meaningless defensive hole call on third down against the Patriots
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: on the complete opposite side of the field.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: But ridiculous.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: And then he just like goes back.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: To well, then I have to tell you that's ridiculous.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: All right, thanks Sam.
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: Against the Giants, there was somebody from I don't know
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: if this Joint Giants organization or in the press corps,
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: but like on that would they take the first touchdown
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: to they score the they scored first or something, don't know,
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: they had a touchdown for right, they were all stunned,
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: and they were.
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: And well, no, he was kind of like there we go.
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: And then he like went down the line and like
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: kind of like what tapping everybody here?
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And then I just watched like the slow descent
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: into a loss, like you know, and like by the
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: end he's just like face bombing on the desk.
• 53:15
  Speaker 10: We had a lot of funny and I had a
• 53:17
  Speaker 10: lot of and a show.
• 53:18
  Speaker 11: Had a lot of like giants guys right behind us
• 53:20
  Speaker 11: on like the dining chairs and stuff, and they were
• 53:23
  Speaker 11: pretty quiet, like they weren't like really cheering.
• 53:25
  Speaker 10: But once the Marcus Jones play happened, we were.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: Just like yeah, yeah, like so where we sit.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: We're on the third level. It's tears. There's three tiers
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: and we're on the third level and if you go
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: down and to our right is almost the visiting team PR.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: So I was when there's a good play, I was,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: see what's going on down there?
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: It's nothing if not a gracious winner.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: It's always interesting in the press. Like just last you know,
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: last game, we had you know, John Marra walks through,
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: you know, we get held up, but yeah, happened, you know, you.
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: See the GMS elevator for the ownership group, Like we
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: got a job to do, you're in my way, Like
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: now we have to wait for the elevator and like
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: then you're late to the press conferences because the maras
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: had to go through. It's like, can we get it
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: of the team?
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: Jerry Jones was a good one whenever the Cowboys were here.
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: Remember that when we were like coming in after the
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: pregame show and like all of a sudden, it's just
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: a mob of people, Jerry Jones going up. But it
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: was weird to me that they sit in the press
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: boxes that just access to like as.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: To get to.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Or wherever their VIP sedan is they have to go through.
• 54:39
  Speaker 10: It's always weird for all their security. It's right out
• 54:41
  Speaker 10: here's how they all get out.
• 54:43
  Speaker 7: Strange to see, like, you know, even when I see
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: Elliott Wolf, like you know, in the halftime and you're
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: like like.
• 54:49
  Speaker 10: Every week, you're just like they're getting into.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: The meadowlands or whatever they call it now at halftime,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: the visiting team literally has to sprint through the press
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: box to get down to the locker rooms and you know,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: so that they can be there for the halftime whatever
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: they're doing, you know, but it's a mad dash for them.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Maybe we should in the Jersey.
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: You can just.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: Nate's in Connecticut. What's up, Nate? Nate, it's up night,
• 55:23
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• 55:25
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  Speaker 7: How was your bye week?
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  Speaker 20: First off, you know, it was good. Went back home,
• 59:45
  Speaker 20: got away from the cold for a little bit. I
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  Speaker 20: actually kind of missed it. Came back and it was exciting. Yeah,
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  Speaker 20: I had fun down there. It was really just with family.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we were in the locker room today and I
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: don't know if you felt this, but I just felt
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: like the energy was the notch. Obviously, big game this
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: weekend with the Bills, a division title on the on
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  Speaker 6: the line. I mean, did you feel have you felt
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: a little optic here. As we get into December and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: things start to, you know, get a little bit more serious.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 20: Yeah, definitely. I mean we'really just trying to take it,
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  Speaker 20: you know, game by game. I mean we're we're just
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 20: excited to play. I think that's that's why the energy
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 20: is a little different. You know, we we haven't played
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 20: in a week, so pretty much two weeks then we'll play.
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  Speaker 20: But you know, we're just excited just to go out
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• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: You mentioned you missed the cold.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we don't miss the cold.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: I think it's just because I'm new to it.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 20: But you know, it was I think it was like
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 20: eighty five degrees on there, nice and I was like,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 20: I was like, dang, like kind of kind of missed
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  Speaker 20: when it was a little chilly.
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  Speaker 5: I like that. I like that. What goes into preparing
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: to kicking these conditions though? Up here? Obviously cold winds, snow.
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  Speaker 5: Does it change anything about how you approach your job?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Not much.
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  Speaker 20: Just really just be aware of of like your surroundings,
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  Speaker 20: like the weather, of the wind, whatever it is, you know,
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  Speaker 20: because that's something I can't control, so it's not something
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  Speaker 20: that I can really I guess plan for or prepare
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  Speaker 20: for to really just go out there and keep my
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  Speaker 20: same routine and just adjust to whatever, you know, temperature, weather,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 20: however it is, just adjust to it.
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  Speaker 5: Does it help practicing in the stadium? You guys kick
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: in the stadium pretty frequently? Does that help with like
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: you know the wind direction and all that stuff and
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: kind of knowing that for game day?
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 20: Yeah, definitely, especially like if it's like a really windy day,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 20: We'll go in the stadium and you know, just hit
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 20: a couple and then you know, feel it out and
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 20: it definitely gives me an advantage just because I know
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 20: the tendencies of the wind in that stadium and stuff
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  Speaker 20: like that.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 7: Bill's coming back around.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 6: Probably the biggest kick your season was against these guys
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 6: last time. Just how you develop that skill as a
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: kicker when you come on and you know it's a
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: it's a big kick. How do you maintain your focus
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 6: and you know, just being able to avoid the pressure
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: of all that.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I mean realistically, I just try to, you know, stay
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: level headed.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 20: I like to say, like just stay neutral, don't get
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 20: too high, don't get too low, and really just go
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 20: out there and you know, I'm I'm here for a reason.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 20: You know, God, God put me in this position to
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 20: you know, showcase what the blessings that he gave me
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 20: and just trying to be a blessing and go out
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 20: there and do my job.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 6: Was it was a process for you being able to
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: do that, you know, when you started your career, started
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: playing this game as a young guy. And I mean,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 6: is it you know, is that a skill you can
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: work on? That mental toughness.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like you can. You definitely can.
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  Speaker 20: But you know there's there's some aspect where it's definitely
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 20: just inherited. I guess you could say, you know, because
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 20: some people you know, just can't handle it. I guess
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 20: you could say, and some people can handle it better
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 20: than others. But you know, in the position that that
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 20: I chose to play, you know, it happens to it
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 20: comes with a job, right, But yeah, it's exciting though.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, going back to that that Week five kick again,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: are you when you're on the sideline and Drake's driving,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: are you watching him? Are you getting ready to kick
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: the ball? Like what what's kind of going through your head?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: What's your process as He's trying to put you guys
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: into into range to have you kicked that.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 20: Really, I'm I'm kicking into the net, just staying warm,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 20: staying ready. And then once we're we're in field goal range,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 20: I'll still I'll kind of be, you know, paying attention
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 20: to what down it is, the clock and if we
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 20: have a timeout or not, and things like that, and
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 20: if we do have a time out, I'll kind of
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 20: be a little bit more like calm just because we
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 20: don't have to, you know, rush out there right and
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 20: really just unless it's third down, like I'm I'm at
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 20: the net just kicking. But once third down hits, like,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 20: I'm right on the sideline just getting ready to go
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  Speaker 20: out there.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: Travon one.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 6: You know, NFL Rookie of the Month, you want an
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 6: AFC Special Teams Player of the week.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 7: This rookie class really made an impact this year, you know.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 6: And remember talking to Jeremy Springer in the spring and
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 6: him saying when they were looking at kickers, you know,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 6: I want a guy who can come in and be
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 6: one of the guys.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 7: It's not just you, it's Julian too on Special Teams.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 6: What can you say about this, this rookie class and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 6: how you guys have all come together here.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: I mean it's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 20: Obviously it's the working class that I came in with,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 20: and you know, I can't really speak for any other
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 20: bricky class, but I feel like we we definitely came
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 20: in here and just put our heads down and went
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 20: to work. You know, just we we knew our role
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 20: and we're just playing our role. And you know, just
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 20: again just being a blessing you.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: Julian and Bryce are like attached to the hip, I'm sure,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: just always together. I think Rabel mentioned that a couple of.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 7: Weeks ago, always together, just once.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: It been like just working with those three guys and
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: how much is Bryce, you know, being a little bit
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 5: a veteran in a little bit here and have some
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: experience in the league helped you out.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been awesome.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 20: I mean me and Julian we did pre draft together,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 20: so I've been with him since January.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: Of last year or not second of him yet, how
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: I love him and love Bryce too.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 20: And Bryce has really helped us, you know, kind of
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 20: just get grounded and be like, look, yeah, you're you're
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 20: in the NFL, but there's still work to do, and
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 20: and he definitely helps us with just the mentality of
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 20: you know, of being a NFL.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Player and really just learning how to be a pro.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: Last time for me, Andy, Now, one of my favorite
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: videos from the summer was your I think it was
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: your girlfriend surprising you. My wife, your wife, sorry, your
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 6: wife surprising you with a dog out of nowhere.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: I want to check you in. I'm a new dog
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 7: dad myself this year.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: Evan's a big dog.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: He's got a big dog as well. So you know,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: how are things going there in the household with four dogs?
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Is that?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 7: Four dogs?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: It's great.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 20: Does get a little hectic at times, but you know
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 20: what wouldn't change the thing? You know, our little docs
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 20: and his name is Kane. He's he's the alpha. He's
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 20: the alpha, even though he's the smallest. But he'll he'll
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 20: show some teeth.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I got a cheweiny half docks and house always.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 20: Yeah, and then you know he he bosses around, you know,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 20: our doberman. So it's funny to see, but it's awesome.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: It's always the little ones that think that they're the
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: big ones and they like come out. And then my
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: dog Alice, he's a Rhodesian ridgeback, so he's ninety five pounds,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: so little. These little ones will like, you know, act
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: like they're the big dogs, and then they'll give him
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: one like growl and they're like, okay.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 20: Yeah, see my my dog. He doesn't he stays, he
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 20: stands his ground. Yeah, no, he'll I remember once came
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 20: downstairs and they're fighting. I was like, all right, whatever,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 20: next thing, you know, I just see him bite the
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 20: Dobman's like lit and I'm like, what are we doing? Yeah,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 20: and then he's just like ground. He's like I'm like,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 20: dude's just just stop. I'm like, he's one hundred and
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 20: ten pounds. You're twenty pounds on like a heavy you
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 20: know you ate good type of day. Yeah, but you know,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 20: it's it's awesome. It's it's definitely something to look forward
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 20: to every single day.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: So yeah, are you always just chill?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: Because I feel like, as a kicker, this is a
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: pretty good trait to have that.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: Pretty much, I try to be mellow.
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  Speaker 7: Just yeah.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Again, don't get too high, don't get too low.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, awesome.
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  Speaker 6: Well, hey, great, great, good luck this weekend against the Bills,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 6: and thanks for sitting down.
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  Speaker 1: With us, thank you, And now great moments in.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: History.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: She's trying to make the point that the Eagles lost
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl thirty nine because because Bill told the Patriots
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: that the Eagles were planning their parade.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 21: Room right, and big, big secret I'm gonna let out
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 21: of the box here. Every team that's in the Super Bowl,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 21: they're behind the scenes are planning for the parade.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: Legist.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're not supposed to say everybody does that.
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  Speaker 16: It's also crazy too, what a lot of people you
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 16: don't know.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: Every team that's in the AFC Championship game, people behind
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: the scenes are planning for if we're.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: Going to go to this.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 21: Yeah, exactly, because if you don't your negligent. Yes, everybody's
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 21: doing it.
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  Speaker 7: It's bad luck.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't be the show if Eric didn't scold someone.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 7: That's another great moment, Milker.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, dude, I almost am I almost.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: That's right, Fred.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 6: It's time for the co pilot question that'll be presented
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• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: And guys, we're talking AFC East Championships today. Patriots have
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: a chance for it. So my first question for you
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: is can you name the AFC East championships prior to
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: two thousand and one. We all know they went on
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 6: a big run two thousand and one onto you know,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: the dynasty years, But before that, how many did they win?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: Paul?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Altogether?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 7: Well, just can you name what what they were two
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 7: thousand and one? There weren't too many.
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  Speaker 4: Seventy eight, yes, eighty six, yes, ninety six, Yeah, I'm
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: missing one, ninety seven, oh ninety seven.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 7: There you go four times.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 6: And last part of this question though, is when was
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: the earliest that they clinched the AFC East?
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: Seven?
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: What happens to be right?
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they were undefeated. You know a week could happen.
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  Speaker 10: I'll do it.
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  Speaker 4: Eleven, week eleven.
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  Speaker 7: Wow, See this is why we always have to help
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 7: through week elevel.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: They were undefeated, I know, but still week eleven out
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: of sixteen games?
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 10: Well, how soon can you clinch?
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: Like soon does someone lost six games week eleven? Because
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: when you're eleven and zero, the worst you can go
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: was eleven and five. So as long as someone had six,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: if everybody else had six losses, you clinch.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, So I mean you know looking back, you see
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 6: they got division championship in the seventies, division champion in
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: the eighties, couple in the nineties. We know what happened
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 6: in the twenty and the twenty ten. So now in
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: the twenty twenties.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 7: I think it's time to get one. What do you
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 7: guys think.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: And that reminds me. I have I flagged an email
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: here that I want to read. This is from Justin
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: and he says, Patriots Nation, listen up. I know we
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: were four thirteen the last two seasons. We stunk worse
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: than your grandpa cologne. Today, though, is a new day.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: The twenty twenty five Patriots are eleven and two. We
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: have a stud quarterback, We have talent all over the field.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: We have a great coaching staff. Most importantly, we have
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: a chance to beat the freaking Buffalo Bills in week
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: fifteen to win the division at home. Let's go, get hyped,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: get psyche. The boys are back, the Patriots are back.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: Let's turn that bison into ground meat this weekend and
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: get those hats and T shirts.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: This is what we live for as fans. Get all
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: this negative talk Audi.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Here, it's time to get back to what is rightfully
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: ours and kick the crap out of Buffalo, well said
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: justin we go, thank you so good stuff.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 7: You're ready to run through a wall Outice? Was that
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: ritt in all caps, a lot of exclamation points.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Fred captures the spirit of youth and the way he
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: reads it. I love good stuff, Brooklyn. A great discussion
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: of analytics yesterday and today. I just want to add
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: a couple of things. One, Evan is excellent at f
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: film review, not just analytics. So does he mean he's
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: good at film root or not at analytics or maybe both.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 10: He's analyzing the thing.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's given him a complimen saying he's really
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: good at film reviewer ask.
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  Speaker 2: Two totally agree with Paul that analytics have enhanced the
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: game verse nineteen eighty style punting from the opponent's forty
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: I agree with that. Three, having said that, particularly for Yes,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: no outcomes with major consequences. Nothing replaces good judgment. Vrabel
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: and company have killed it, Mike McDaniel has not. And
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: four did you even read bart from Poland's email after
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: you made fun of his health?
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: That was his email? That was that was it.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: He just wanted to tell us he was in the hospital.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Listening, and he said he was going to be fine.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 7: So okay, good, that's he did that because.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 11: He writes in quite a bit, so we might have
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 11: been worried otherwise.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he said he was going to be fine.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: You know, pheographic dies, he dies drug. You know, things
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: could turn.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: Take a turn for the worst. You never know.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, life's for me, guys.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: You gotta hope he pulls through.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 7: Bar calling when you're able to please.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: Jaitar rights in What's up Everybody? I for sure was
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: a fan saying that the Bills window was closed. Two
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: years later, I'm starting to think the window will never
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: be closed as long as Allen is their quarterback.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: That's probably true.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: I for sure think that this game won't be the
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: same as Week five game. I hope that this can
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: be the game where it may goes for three hundred
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: plus yards and three plus touchdowns in a shootout with
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen Patriots thirty four Bills thirty.
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  Speaker 4: I don't I could.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: I wanted to be thirty four to nothing.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 6: Do you remember the last time there were two, you know,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: elite quarterbacks in the same division kind of going back
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 6: and forth. I mean, there's probably an obvious one that's
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: just not popping into my head right now. Two elite
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 6: quarterbacks division, Jim Killy, Dan Marino. They didn't really cross
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: over too much, I guess a little bit.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: I mean Kelly Marino was Yeah, but that's a long time.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, right, that's a good one.
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  Speaker 3: Can you think of any any others though about AFC West?
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you had Rivers there for a while,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: Stabler and.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 7: Now again yeah again, really in the weeds.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: It's kind of interesting how you can't really think of
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: one where there was, you know, a division where there
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 6: were two guys that you know are going to kind
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: of go back and forth for a while.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I don't know how elite, but like,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: could you say, like Flacco Roethlisberger.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 11: I was going to say that, but then stopped at
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 11: the elite is definitely elite, right, I don't know, that's
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 11: like a running joke on Twitter.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: I think that would qualify for what you're asking. I
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: don't know if it certainly doesn't rise to the level
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: of Kelly Marino.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: Right, but you know what I'm saying getting out with
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 6: Alan and May though that this could be, you know,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 6: something really special.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think, you know, you have the chance
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: with like Mahomes and Herbert. I don't know what Nix
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: is going to be. I don't know if he'll ever.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: I think he's kind of destined to be like a
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: good sort of game manager type, but you don't, who knows.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: Maybe he gets better and better. And he's in that
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: conversation too. It kind of speaks to you know, the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: biggest problem in the AFC East when Brady was dominating
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: it was nobody could figure out quarterback in college, right,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: you know, and they just kept cycling through all these
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: different guys. Probably the best quarterback in the division through
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: Brady's tenure was Chad Pennington.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, yeah, that's you know, it doesn't that
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: seem weird in retrospect, Like I think there's maybe just
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: been more high quality quarterbacks coming in the league lately.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 6: But it just seems crazy to me that that those
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 6: three teams basically went twenty years without finding.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: We were forcing them into bad decisions. Yeah, Patriots, they
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: were under a lot of pression. It's true. Todd's in
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: North Carolina, check right, you don't like that.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: I don't care there for you.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: You don't care for it. It's been a little cranky.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 8: I spent it.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: What's up to Todd?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 8: So I sent in a little quiz because we were
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 8: on the break weekend here and I thought would be
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 8: nice to play a game. So if Fred didn't like it,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 8: so I'm going to try to make something a little
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 8: bit simpler. Which of the current teams that were would
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 8: be in the playoffs that it was this time? You
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 8: think that Drake May and our offensive coach mister McDaniels
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 8: would help the most. I was. I was thinking Tampa
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 8: or the Eagles, but then I settled on the Texas
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 8: because I think if you give the Texans an offense,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 8: they might be unstoppable. So I just want to hear
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 8: your assets.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: Thanks guys.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: That Why does it have to be like? As is
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: often the case, I don't always understand the instructions. So
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels would be the coordinator for one of the other.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: Playoff teams and Drake May would be the quarterback. Oh
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: so you insert those two, which playoff team would they
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: help the most?
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: So the playoff I in Indianapolis?
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 11: Yeah right, Yeah, they don't have a quarterback, ye Philip
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 11: twenty four years old and he's a granddad.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: I don't and there's still a playoff.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: I'm not close. I'm not close. Well, I'm not trying to, like,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: you know, I lost a little weight, okay, so I'm
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: not looking down my notes. But I don't know if
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: you guys saw anything about Philip Rivers. You know, you
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: guys see any of these pitchers.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: No, little Dowey, really really.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: Little dowe you know, so not only forty four five years.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 10: Kids though like he might.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 8: So.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's the team that doesn't have a quarterback.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 4: The other teams have a good, you know, good quarterback's.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the most of.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: The playoff teams have good quarterbacks. I mean I don't
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: know how good, but most of them.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 10: Well to the point of the call.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 11: It would get them over the needle them, it would
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 11: get them over the hump the most. Whereas, like, I
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 11: don't know, the Texans, you might need more, Like the
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 11: Colts were really good and then they lost their quarterback.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that the Olds have a really good offense.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: When Daniel Jones was healthy, they had a really good offense.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: I think May is a lot better than Daniel Jones,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: so maybe they would have a great offense Denver. I
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: think bow Knicks has been fine. He's winning games, but
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: I think May is a lot better than bow Knicks.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: I think he would win a lot of games.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Francisco's in North Carolina have Francisco?
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 12: Hey, what's going on?
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 12: They So I got to start off with so a
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 12: while back when I got that, well, I ain't got
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 12: to receive the T shirt yet, So first wondering do
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 12: I need to send another email in.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: With my Yeah, I don't know, Matt, Matt, what's the
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: deal I've got.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 9: I've been setting them out all in piles. I'm just
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 9: waiting for the pile to get big enough to send out.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 11: I'll just send out your shirt now for socause is
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 11: a special one, Okay, yeah?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 7: And then uh so I'm gonna follow up with so
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 7: you know, I'm.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 12: Not watching all twenty two or anything, but I was
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 12: wondering if is are are we given like opportunities? Like
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 12: I understand that you know, we might not have enough opportunities.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 14: But like another a couple of weeks back, we threw
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 14: like a quick little.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 12: Plate Kyle Williams, I turned into like like seventeen yards
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 12: or whatever. So I was wondering if we have we
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 12: done any more, like how often are we doing it
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 12: to where we're giving him the ball in space? And
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 12: then my prediction for this week is I don't know
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 12: how bold I would say it is, but I think
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 12: this is going to be the game where everyone's like,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 12: this is Greg May's NDP game, like someone like College
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 12: were like, that's the high of the moment.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 8: I think this is where we're going to solidfy you
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 8: that was That's.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 12: Where he like, that's where Drake May became Drake May.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 13: All right, thank you guys.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Francisco.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: I think Kyle Williams is the fifth receiver, so he's
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: going to get periodic opportunities when someone gets banged up.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: I think in the Giants game, there was a player
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: or two early in the game where Booty looked like
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: he could limped to the sideline. I think Kyle Williams
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: got a couple more reps. Fortunately for Kyle Williams, one
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: of those happened to be a deep ball that he
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: was on the field instead of boot and made he
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: made a play. But I don't I wouldn't expect Kyle
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: Williams to be a big part of the offense at
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: this stage, you know, going forward, unless there's injuries in
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: front of him, would you, guys, you know, disagree with that.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 11: I just think there's already so many guys ahead of
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 11: him that Drake just has great chemistry with. And that's
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 11: even beyond the receivers, that's even the tight ends, and
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 11: that's even Remandre like throwing the ball too.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 10: So I kind of feel the same way as you.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think they like what they they
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: have in Booty. Is there more explosiveness or Kyle Williams
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: over Booty? Probably, but Booty is a far better player
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: right now by a lot.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 11: It has to be there too, Like Kyle Williams, like
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 11: he's making strides for sure. But I think Fred always
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 11: harped on this, like it's it's not looking right in
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 11: a lot of these games with either.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 10: Definitely, definitely, but there's still a long way to go.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, I think they're moving him around a
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: little bit more away. You know, the short passes just
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: didn't look good. He just didn't have a knack for it.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's getting better. Travis and West
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: Virginia says the call you took from Naton, Connecticut just
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: before the break was the most interesting call he's ever had.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: Travis likes, I do like that though.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta have that, you gotta have likeateur.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 10: Yeah, the agitators.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: We're talking about the division rivalry quarterback thing and Bruno says,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: we could have had Roger Stafford, but the Lions decided
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: to be a joke.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah that you know, Rogers Stafford.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And Barton Poland says, if I die, it's
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: on you.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: Fred.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 11: It's so much funnier because when we did guess that listener,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 11: bart is the one that was pictured with Fred, and
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 11: Fred still didn't make can't say he was correctly.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 20: And now.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: If you want to hear something funny about how making
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: fun of death and grieving, there's uh this podcast that
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: was with Jason Bateman and uh, who's the guy with
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: the deep Will Arnett and there's a third guy and
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: they had Conan O'Brien as a guest and they're talking
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: about when his father died and the texts that went
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: back and forth and Conan blame Conan blamed it on
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: Jason Bateman. He said, you know he killed my father.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: And then like two weeks later his mother died and
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: and uh somebody so will Arnette texted Conan O'Brien and said,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: do you know where Jason Bateman was last night? And
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: and so and then it went on like this, and
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: and then uh somebody else texted Conan O'Brien said, Jason
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: wants your sister's uh pad dress, and and like this
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: is like a guy who just lost his mother father.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: Codin's like, this is how I grieve, though I love this.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: This was okay the Boston guy.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I saw that making the rounds one on Twitter.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: I didn't like see all the details. I'm glad you
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: had all the pieces because you know me, I see it.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to click on it. You draw a
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: conclusion without getting the facts, and I and you know what,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: I drew a very accurate conclusion. You just gave me
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: the facts and that's pretty much exactly how I figured
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: it must have gone something like that.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: All right, Okay, let's see Tyler in New Jersey rites
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: in love the show Love Catch twenty two. I completely
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: agree with Evan on how annoying the fans have been
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: this year, especially our very own Patriots fans. If I
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: hear anything about Denver in the altitude again, my head
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: might burst. There shouldn't be any team we're afraid of,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: and if we lose altitude or home field advantage, are
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: bs excuses. There's no team in the AFC that should
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: beat us besides maybe the Bills. That's it. And finally,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: to all the fans crying about the deadline, if you
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: want to see a first hand example, go look at
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: the Colts, who gave us to first for an overrated
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: corner and are now going to miss the playoffs. Thank
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: god our team was firm on principle and stuck with it.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: Have a nice day.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: Not sure I understand the email, but I would say
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: the first thing, you have the opposite view of the
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: Patriots fans based on what Evan's talking about. It's the
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: obnoxiousness of the fans, not people worried about playing in Denver.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: So you have the wrong view of the fans, So
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: you're really not agreeing with Evan. The second part is
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: would it make you feel better if Drake may broke
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: his leg on Sunday because you didn't make any big
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: moves and forfeit any draft picks in at the trade deadline.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: Would it make me feel any better?
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, No, it wouldn't make me feel any better either,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: Like somehow like it's not it's okay that they didn't
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: make any moves of the deadline because Daniel Jones broke
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: his leg and then tore his achilles and the cold
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: season is falling apart, But they shouldn't. That shows you
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: that they shouldn't have made any moves to try to
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: better their team. Yeah, like that's a very flawed logic.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: They fell apart because of the quarter The quarterback basically
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: suffered a catastrophic injury and their season is probably over
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: because of it. Not because they made a move to
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: get Sauce Gardner at the deadline. They needed that they
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: needed just to bolster their secondary. But he was a Jet,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: so he sucks. I just went to lead between the
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: lines of Patriots fans.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 10: Sometimes there's a slippery slope.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: Not, well, why not tell me tell me the part
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: of my analysis of that email that you disagree with.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: You disagree, well, but you're having these arguments like.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: That's your head, that's what he's No, No, no, I'm
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: reading what he I'm interpreting what he wrote that's what
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: he wrote.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: You're interpreting it.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: It was a bad move to get I think he
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: called him an overrated corner and now look at their
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: season as if acquiring the over rated corner is the
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: reason why their seasons out of control. Now, the two
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: were nothing to do with these I would not feel
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: any better if I still had my first round pick.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: If Drake may gets hurt and is out for the year,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: that would not make me feel any better than the
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: Colts feel right now.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: And how does say back to Patriots fans.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: Because he's saying that's the Patriots fans were whining about
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: not making a trade at the deadline. Okay, that's that's
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: the premise. That's what he's saying. He's mad at Patriots
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: fans because they were probably.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 11: Not the best comparison to use because one the one,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 11: they're not correlated. Like, if Daniel Jones doesn't get injured,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 11: maybe he goes on to make a game saving interception
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 11: in the Super Bowl.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: Right, you don't know with this, like do what you do?
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: I don't you know.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: Maybe the Colts weren't good enough to do what they did.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: That might that may ultimately end up being a bad
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: play by is it ballad?
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 7: Is he still there?
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know who's their gm oh ballad?
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: Ballad?
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: Definitely, you know, maybe ultimately that's going to end up
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: being a bad move for them. They gave up a
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: no doubt about it. They have two first round picks
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: for a corner.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 11: But also, how do you blame them because they're they're
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 11: in a wish now mode? Like those are the moves
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 11: you go out and make when you're in win now mode?
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, uh theo rights. And I was just
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: on a demo call with a sales guy from Utah
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: and he randomly muted and turned his camera off and
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: came back and said a big time Patriots player had
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: just walked through their cubicles, and everyone went to say, Hi,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: I wonder who it was, Oh, that Utah. It'd be
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: a big time player that's currently on the team because
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: they're here in Utah.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: That's what it says.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah it was last week during the bye week.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it was last week, but he just said.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 11: I was just but I don't know if that's the
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 11: guy that would be shutting down an office.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: Who would go back to Utah from the.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 10: PENGA is the only one I can think of off
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 10: the top of my head.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, maybe a kids.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: Like a big time.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: Ry like yeah no, but that's why Alex is in
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: depth knowledge of the entire roster.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: He's from Utah.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 7: Why don't you purify yourself in the waters.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: So Lake Minnetonka emailer, please call your sales guy in
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: Utah and ask him who was the player so we
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: can solve this mystery. Uh Low and Philly, I just
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: want to comment on Evans classic Northeastern take on Michigan
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: being landlocked. I completely agree with the sentiment that the
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: seafood is not as good there. I'm not from Michigan,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: but I think there is some misunderstandings about the Great Lakes.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: I'll put things in numbers because that's all he understand. Sorry,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: PFF can't verify. Michigan is literally a peninsula with over
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: two times the coastline that Massachusetts has. There are famously
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: dunes going down to the beaches that are four hundred
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: and fifty feet high. On the west coast, Lake Michigan
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: is over thirty seven times the size of Cape Cod Bay.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: On the east coast, Lake Huron is over thirty eight
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: times the size of Cape Cod Bay. Both Lakes are
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: three times the size of Massachusetts. I know, but it's
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: not salt water. What right. I don't know if the
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: definition of being landlocked, like you said, does it have
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: to be salt water.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: Because I asked that question.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because certainly there's a lot of water around Michigan.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I said lakes.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: I said to the Great Lakes counts as making you
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: land laugh. That was my fault.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 11: Our Michigan listeners go so hard for Michigan. Oh yeah,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 11: they really like remember this, this debate back fall, And
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 11: I think Michigan's a beautiful place.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 10: It's great, but it's just like.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 11: The problem where I get tripped up is when they
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 11: always bring up like, oh, well, we have the seafood,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 11: we have these beaches, and it's like it's a totally
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 11: different thing. Lake life and ocean life is just it's
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 11: night and day from each other, and there's overlap, but
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 11: there's a lot that's not over.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: Would you consider it a landlocked state? That was the
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: only Like, I'm not arguing about the quality of seaf.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 10: I think it's one I would think of off the
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 10: top of my head.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: When it comes to states, some of the plain states, and.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: That was the only question, and that was my fault
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: that that came back because I asked you that. I remember,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: I go, do we consider the Great Lakes making Michigan
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: not landlocked? And Evan jumped on my throat. Doesn't.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 9: I don't think that is entirely surrounded by land, having
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 9: no direct access to an ocean or open sea, meaning
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 9: it must pass through neighboring territories to reach global waters global.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: Water, So it would be considered can you get through
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: the can you make your way through the Great Lakes
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: to the ocean?
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Well, probably there's the thing up top the rivers.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: What's that thing that goes to the ocean up top?
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: If you get what it's called?
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 7: So little have you meddled there?
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: Hi?
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 7: Ready, I'm back you miss me? No, uh, not as
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 7: busy today, not as crazy, but.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: Only got one uh one scrumming Robert Splaine saying, it
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 6: still feels like the defense has a lot more to
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 6: give and you know, preaching that energy, still trying to
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 6: you know, get better and all that. But a lot
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 6: of respect for James Cook all eleven at the point
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 6: of attack, and you know, just a lot of Josh Allen,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 6: He's the MVP. I feel like that might have been
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 6: a refrain. You heard a lot from maybe the coaching
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 6: staff this week, building up like this is the MVP,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 6: this is the MVV. You know, maybe both to like
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 6: kind of force the guys that they want to play
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 6: for their guy who might be the MVP.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 7: But you can tell everybody, of course, has a lot
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 7: of respect for Josh Allen. So was a quick one.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I don't evan not nothing to report on there.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 6: He was kind of hanging out and he doesn't really.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: Could be my theory that m VP is the person
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: with the least talent around him.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 6: So yeah, but I also think till fred is there
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 6: like a certain point though, where like a guy just
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 6: played so well that you know what I mean? Like
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 6: that that's the only place where I get a little
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: bit grey, Like I generally agree like MVP should be
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 6: the guy who raised his team up, didn't have the
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 6: most talent, But is there an exception for a guy
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 6: who just played out of his mind?
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 7: Like did Britty win MVP in two thousand and seven?
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so like that one, right, Like he had Randy
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 6: Moss right, you know, so, but he broke the touchdown record.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: In the argument for Lamar Jackson last year. Yeah, he
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: just played that much better than everybody else. But Josh
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: Allen got it because they deemed him done. That's generally
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: which way I leaned by with less.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 6: I also think that there's something super special about a
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 6: season that a guy has that like offensive Player of
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 6: the Year doesn't quite cut.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: So was it as crazy in there today as it
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: was yesterday? No, it was. It's all because of the
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: Chick fil A.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: Isn't there yesterday and.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: They didn't today.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: So these guys that have one square meal a day
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: a week, which is here, didn't show up.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 7: There's your here's your hunk of a chicken for the week.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 7: No, maybe it is the meal, but not not a
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 7: lot of it was.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 10: They must have gotten cleaned out.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 7: I was like getting kicked out of interviews and everything.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 6: There were so many people there was just you couldn't
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 6: even I couldn't even do anything.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he was, uh, he was kind of just hanging
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 7: talking with his guys, talking with his guys.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: Who were his guys, know.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 17: The the tailors, the Brian Hines of the world, the Sophies,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 17: you know, they were having a lot of think he
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 17: was tram He's like, you know, my boss friend's really
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 17: getting into it about analytics.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 7: You guys wouldn't like this guy, you know, things of
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 7: that nature. Perhaps, I don't know.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: I'm happy to wear that badge. Okay, So anything else, No,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: that's it.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 7: That's it.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: Still upbeat.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 7: So yeah, there was still.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 6: Good energy, just not a lot of you know, media
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 6: members and you know, just not a lot of scrums
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 6: right off the bat. Like we got in there and
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: was waiting for digs yesterday and then it was just
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 6: like scrump, scrump, scrum.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 7: But not today. Today's a little bit low key. It
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 7: kind of goes down each day and tomorrow Beat.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: The PR staff needs to spread out their food so
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: that they can you know, uh not always have Chick
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: fil A on Wednesday, right, you know, throw a curveball
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: and have it a Friday.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 7: One week, we'll do it on Friday.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: Be fun.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 6: And that's like another recurring thing in the locker room
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 6: on Fridays is like, you know, it's really quiet usually
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 6: in there. There's not like the Dan Roaches of the
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 6: world who kind of lead the charge and you know,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 6: get interviews.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 7: They're not there. And Drake always walks in and she's like,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 7: what are you all doing here, go home. It's Friday.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 6: You know, yells at the media, and you know, it's
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 6: kind become a little bit of a bit that we
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 6: do with Drake.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 7: But I but I enjoy it. But maybe some food
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 7: would get more people down there.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: Chris and Virginia. One more email before we get into picks.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: Chris is keeping receipts.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: Earlier in the season, Evan was critical of the Commanders
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: going so deep in the playoffs last season because it
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: hurt their draft pick options. Does he still think it
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: was a bad thing, and does that mean he thinks
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: we shouldn't go deep this season? And if Christian in
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: La is listening, does he still think that the current
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: team is a paper tiger. The claim was made on
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: your October nineteenth episode, where he said, we're going to
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: turn out to be paper tigers this year, but they
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: will likely kind of run up against a really good
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: and losing the playoffs and being not a good great
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: position to get a good draft pick.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: I just after also said they were going to win
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: ten in a row. You made fun of me for
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: because I think I said I don't know about that. Yeah,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: a little early on that but I don't know.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 6: After about fourteen or fifteen in the draft, I just
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 6: I don't really care. I mean, if you're in the
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 6: running for a top ten pick, you want every ounce of.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 7: Draft capital that you can get.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 6: But at a certain point you just have to realize
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 6: we're going to be picking in the second half of
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 6: the first round and every other round after that, and
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 6: we need to hit on our picks. There are good
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 6: players that still go at those points.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, it's that time of the week. So
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: fall you kind of intimated that I didn't have a good.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: Week, No you did not. I won the week at
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: eight and six, so no one really had a good week.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: Mike and Alex were seven and seven, Fred and Evan
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: were five and nine with the spread. Paul again was
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: eight and six, Mike and Alex seven and seven, and
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: Evan and Fred the same again, only this time at
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: six and eight. So it's a tough week all around
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: and six it's not generally a winner for the week,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: although someone had to be the winner.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's a time of year, this time
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: of your biases start to come into.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: It, you know, right, Yeah, So the season standings, Alex
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: maintains her lead. Actually, no, she takes the lead because
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: she was. She was two games better one thirty seven
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: seventy and one. Fred won thirty six seventy one and one,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: Mike won thirty seventy seven and one, Paul won twenty
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: nine seventy eight and one, and Evan won twenty two
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: eighty five and one. So with the spread, well, here
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: we go.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: Here on footsteps.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: Fred one twelve ninety four and two, Paul one O
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 4: six one hundred and two was once a twenty game lead,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 4: is down to six with four to go. Let's see
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: Evan one O one one oh five and two, Alex
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: one hundred, one oh six and two, and Mike, good
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: job by you this week seven seven. That's a five
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: hundred eighty seven one nineteen.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 7: Not losing money, not losing money, I'm making it all right.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: Sounds good, Okay, So let's get into slate, full slate,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: full slate by So we gotta hurry tonight on Prime.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: It's Atlanta at four to nine at Tampa Bay seven
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: and six. Tampa coming off a terrible loss at home
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: to this Mike Evans coming back Bucks by four and a.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 7: Half, four and a half. This is one of those.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 7: I don't even know if I'll turn this one on tonight.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 6: But I'll take Tampa and then I'll take the points
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 6: for Atlanta.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 7: I think it'll be close division game Thursday night.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 10: I'm going to take the Bucks both ways.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: So I'm going to take the Bucks both ways too.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: Mike has very sound reasoning. The Thursday night home division
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: game thing. You know, they tend to be closer. Tampa
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: coming off a lost to New Orleans. I think they
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: blowed George.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to go with Tampa Bay as well
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: both ways. All right, Now we move to Sunday, Sunday
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: at one on Fox. Oh and by the I don't
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: know if I can announce that everyone Sunday at one
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: on Fox. I think you can again. The Jets thing, Yeah.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: The Jets game was going to stay at one o'clock. Yeah,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: but it moves to Fox.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: It was why I said I think you can now
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: because I got that email.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: Sunday at one on Fox Cleveland, three and ten at
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: Chicago nine and four.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: Uh, Chicago by seven and a half. It's a big
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: game for the Bears. This is a big game for
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: the Bears. Big bounce back to the Bears. Got to
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: have this one to Chicago.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna do the same thing. I'm gonna take Chicago
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 6: to win, but I'm.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 7: Gonna take Cleveland in a close one for the points.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 10: Please spread one more time.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, seven and a half.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 10: I'll do the same thing as Mike.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: So I am going to look to my left at
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: Fred Kersh and I'm going to put my belief in
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: what he told me last week that Chicago is legit
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: and is worthy of the status that they're getting. And
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: I'm going to say Chicago bounces back and blows doors
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: off a bad team.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, I am. I think Chicago's gonna win, but I
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: think that they're not going to cover.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: So but it's not a lock.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: That would be just poor to me.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: Sunday at one on CBS, it's Baltimore at six and
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: seven at Cincinnati at four to nine.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: Baltimore by two and a half.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: Mm Mmmm, curious how what we see out of Joe
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 6: Burrow bouncing back after offend of that game. I'm going
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 6: to go with Cinci in this one.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: We go with Cinci and the upset, So believe it
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: or not, there is a path for Cincinnati to me, playoffs.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 10: I'm gonna take the Bengals as well.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do not like what I'm seeing in Baltimore.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: Doesn't look like there's a lot of effort there.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: I will take it. Stuff last week, No, but you
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: told me about it. You keep me up to date
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: on So as a Patriots fan with Bengal with the
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: Ravens coming up next week, do we want them to
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: win this week or lose?
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna say lose.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: I would say lose.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, just keep them in that they if.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 11: They lose again, they could implode, especially with the Reddit.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 18: You know.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: So I didn't think of it right.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 11: Someone cheated on their girlfriend and the girlfriend went on
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 11: Reddit and aired out how the team doesn't like Harbass.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 10: She's overheard a bunch of conversations about it.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 11: There's a lot of other stuff too, but it's not
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 11: relevant to the game.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: The whole officiating thing and how like there's like some
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: really fishy stuff. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't bet on this.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 4: I would think that Baltimore was gonna win this game
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: because the league needs it. Yeah, your flex a game
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: and then they go six and eight. That's a really
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 4: bad Oh. NFL needs NFL needs the Ravens to be
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: at least still in it.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Cincinnati, even though I hate the Bengals.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: Sunday at one at Fox three and ten, Cardinals at
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: the eight and five Texans.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: Houston by nine and a half.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 13: Oh wow.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: The last time Houston's been favored by that much and anything?
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot probably two years ago.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 6: They I'll take Houston. I'll take the points though, for
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 6: Aris nine and a half.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: You said nine and a half.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll take Arizona's points though, I'm gonna do the
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 7: same thing.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I watched a lot of Arizona and they are
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: just not good. I'm gonna take Houston both ways. I
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: think they're gonna have a hard time moving the ball
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: again that defense. I'll take Houston.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: I will take Houston, but I'll take the points.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: Why not. Sunday at one CBS, it's the Jets three
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: and ten at Jaguars nine and four.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: Jags by thirteen and a half.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 7: Goodness gracious, that's like Brady Cook could be playing for
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 7: the uh oh boy.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: Yet.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm definitely taking Jacksonville on this one. And shoot,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 6: shoot that's my doo drake things.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: Shoot shoot the in front of it.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 7: Oh shoot, I'm gonna I'm gonna lay the points. Thirteen
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 7: and a half.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: Go Jacks, Jacks, Jags.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna lay the points too because of the
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: quarterback situation. If Taylor or Fields were playing, I'd probably
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: take take that huge number. But Brady Cook, Yeah, it's
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: a big spread.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: But thirteen and a half, he said, But Jacksonville may
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: only need fourteen.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: Points, yeah to beat the spread. That's it.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna take Jacksonville both ways, you.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: Know, and not not necessarily a big deal. Last week,
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 4: but Miami came out seven, fourteen to twenty one, first
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: three drive touchdowns, so it's not like the defense has
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: played that much better than the offense.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 7: They don't even care.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: They've given up.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: As Fireman ed left the building, Probably he's back out.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: He quits every two years, doesn't he.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: Sunday at one on CBS, the Chargers are nine and
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: four and they played spirited last week. They're in Kansas
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: City six and.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: Seven, Kansas City by five and a half.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 6: I will take Kansas City to win home, but I
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 6: think Justin Herbert is going to make it close.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: So question now the Chargers fans up at arms because
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: they're nine and four against the six and seven team.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: If there were any probably oh wow.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 11: They're really upset in San Diego, but la I do
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 11: it all the time.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: Got San Diego people are Yeah, there are some rooting.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 10: For their team Chargers. Chargers cover.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: Wow, not upset, they cover case.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 7: She's doing it backwards Chargers.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna take Kansas City to win two. But
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: there's no way I'm giving five and a half points
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: to the Chiefs team right now. So yeah, I'll take
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: the points. If there was any sentilance of health for
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: the Chargers, I'd be taking the Chargers to just end
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: it right now. For Kansas City, they look broken, They
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: look like they just played a lot of football.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna take the Chiefs to win.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: This game.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: And who are you gonna take to cover in the game?
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: Oh? Both both ways? Yeah, both ways.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: Sunday at one on Fox, it's the Commanders at three
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: and ten at the Giants at two and eleven.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: This is quite the matchup. Yes, the Giants by two
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: and a half.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna go with the Giants at home, but
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 6: I don't feel great about it.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 7: I'll lay the points.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm just going.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna go with Washington. I think they played
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: really badly last week, but I think the previous couple
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: of weeks with Mariota, they were playing, you know, reasonably competitive.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: I think that they have enough to win this game.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: Believe it or not. Spirits are pretty upbeat at the
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: Giants because of the way they competed against the Patriots.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: They said, you know, we we did okay against you know,
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: the medal of the league. So uh, they use that
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: momentum to beat the Commanders this week.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: Okay, I think they did all but put a stamp
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: on it as they mailed it.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: In Sunday at one on Fox, it's the two and
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: eleven Raiders at the eight and five Eagles.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: Eagles by eleven and a half. I think Kenny Pickett
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: to start for the Raiders.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 7: Shoot. I mean, I'm gonna say, we are going with that.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: Shoot.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 7: It's not on purpose, it's not on purpose. I'm going
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 7: to take Bill del Yeah, you know what.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna take Philly both ways, Philly, Philly, Philly, Billy.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I can't. I can't take that team for eleven
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: and a half. I'll take the points Philly to win,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: but I'll take the points.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: It's a lot. Yeah, I'm gonna take Philly both ways.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: All right. Now, we skip over the Patriots.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: At one o'clock and we moved to four to twenty five,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: No for four oh five game this week all for
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: twenty five. Green Bay nine, three and one at Denver,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: of course, eleven and two.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: Green Bay by two and a half and up in
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: arms in Denver. I have no idea how Denver about it.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with green Bay in
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 6: this one. They're kind of wishy washy, but I like
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 6: them against it. You know, a team that they can
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 6: get up for in a game, they can get up for,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 6: So I'll go Packers.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 11: I'm gonna take the Packers too. A lot of it's emotional,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 11: but yeah that too.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with Fred, like the Broncos, like these games
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 4: just always seem to be at home, and I think
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: they win them. Like I think that the home team.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: I think they're doing probably the same thing that the
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: Patriots are doing right now, playing the disrespect card. Green
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: Bay to me is I know everybody just automatically every
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: time they win a big game, they're in the Super Bowl,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: I'm not a believer in green Bay. I'm not a
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: believer in the quarterback. I'll take Denver.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: Listen, we need Denver to lose, so I'm picking green Bay.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: I got to put that out there. I gotta put
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: it out into the universe, all right, Mars is in
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: retrograde and green Bay beats the broncos Us.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: Explaining the comeback that I'm one.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: Sunday for on Fox.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: It's the Lions eight and five at the Rams ten
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: and three.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: So this is the spread to me this week. That
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: raised my eyebrows the most Rams by six.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 7: Oh that's a lot of points, I thought.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, So in that case, I'm going to take the arms,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 6: but I'll take the points for the Detroiters.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: You know, do you think it should be closer?
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: I would have thought it would have been a little closer. Yeah,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: let's think the way you think.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: How do I think they know something? Yeah?
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: It makes me think that it's a red flag spread.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: So with that in mind, I'm going to lay the points.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: I'll take the Rams both ways.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: You're right to do that, Paul Rams both ways.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: Sunday at four twenty five on Fox, the Panthers seven
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: and six at the at the one. They have a
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: one game winning streak, the same.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: The red hot Saints. Yeah, oh, I think I have
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: this backwards. Let me check this. Let's move to another.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: Ye okay, five Indianapolis on CBS eight and five, going
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: to Seattle ten and three.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 7: Oh jesus, it.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: Is gonna be a big spread.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: Right, yes, Seattle by fourteen?
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 6: Oh man man, Well, poor Indianapolis. It was all going
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 6: so great and it hasn't been so great.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 7: Since they got sauce. Not that it was related to that,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 7: but I just have to kind of worked out. I
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 7: will take Seattle and yeah, I'm gonna lay the points,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 7: lay the points.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: Indyed imagine lating fourteen points?
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 7: I mean, is it gonna be Phil the Wors? Is
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 7: it possible?
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: I mean it was. I mean it's absolutely possible. I
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 4: don't think it will be.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: But they're gonna have to make a roster move though
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: to get him on the ross.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: Seattle Seattle, h Yeah, I'm gonna take Seattle both ways.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: I just can't see Indianapolis competing in this game. So
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: Seattle both ways.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: Not exactly an easy venue or defense to oppose if
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: you're a forty four year old guy coming up for
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: a five year hiatus, right, welcome to like the Do
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: you want to go back to the Yeah it's it's
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: Carolina by two and a half. I had Newell once
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: by two and a half. I thought that looked funny,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: So I want to just make sure that I had it.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 6: Right on Panthers, Baby, lay the points.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do it.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: Carolina lost to the Saints the first time they played
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: at home, and I gotta think the Panthers are like,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: we can't overlook them. So I'll take Carolina.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: Boy, Yeah, Carolina wins this game. This is this is
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: a lock.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: I think these teams are more similar than your think.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lock, Carolina, We both stink. Four twenty
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: five on Fox Tennessee two and eleven at the forty
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: nine Ers nine and four.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: San Francisco by twelve and a half. That's a lot
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 4: of big spreads, A lot of big spreads.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I thinks tends about a little bit of a sparkle,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 6: not much.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna I'm gonna lay the points.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: Me too, Yeah, San Francisco both ways.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, me too? All right.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: Sunday Night eight twenty NB Sure The Peacock University Minnesota
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: five and eight against Alas six, six and one.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 22: Do they play any time Broncos ran Yeah, I know
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 22: Dallas of course in primetime every week.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Dallas by five and a half, tiven.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 7: And a half. It's a good number.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 6: I think, Uh, Minnesota showed a little last week. I'm
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 6: gonna take Dallas, though. I'm gonna take Dallas at home
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 6: and I'm gonna.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 7: Lay the points.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 10: Cowboys, Cowboys.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna take Dallas both ways. To be interested
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: to see if JJ McCarthy can put a couple of
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: good games together to close out the season and maybe
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: eat some of the featers in Minnesota. He played well
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: last week.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: Let's see if he can do it.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: Minnesota covers, folks. Not a lock, but they cover.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: Not not necessarily willing to say it's a lock YEP.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: Monday Night eight fifteen on ESPN, Miami is six and seven.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: They go to Pittsburgh seven and six, Pittsburgh by three.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 7: Hmm. I'm gonna go with Yeah, I'm gonna go with
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 7: the upset on this one. I'm gonna go to Miami.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 6: I know last week I picked you know, I think
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 6: the Jets to beat Miami in the weather. You don't thinking, Oh,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 6: maybe they'll be cold, but they play well. I'm gonna
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 6: take Miami with the upset.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 10: I'll take the Steelers.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this one's tough for me. I agree with Fred
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: because you just don't know what you're gonna get out
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: of both teams. Right, I'm gonna go with Deuce. I'm
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: gonna take the upset. Hopefully it won't be too too
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: cold for Tua. I know, if he only won one game,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: and that was last week, he generally only beats the
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: Jets in Benwell. All right, Okay, yeah, so I'll take Miami.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: Thinking here, My thinking here is that I don't want
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: Miami coming in having it mean anything when they play US.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: So I want Miami to lose Pittsburgh wins. There you go,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: I think you should be rooting for Pittsburgh as a
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 4: Patriots fan anyway, because I think you'd rather Pittsburgh win
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 4: that division than Baltimore's Cincinnati.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, another reason, what do you think? Sure, I'll go
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: with that.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: I think they're the least talented of those three teams.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm going for Pittsburgh. All right.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: Now we move back to Sunday at one, and this
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: game is on CBS. It's Buffalo nine and four against
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: New England eleven and two.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: Buffalo by one and a half as of this morning.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it is right this Semond.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: That's what we're going for.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 7: We're locking in.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: We're locking in one and a half, one and a.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: Half Buffalo, all right, huge game.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna take the Patriots. I just think it comes
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 6: down to the last couple possessions. I guess the question
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 6: I'm wondering, and we do have a few minutes here,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 6: is would you rather have a lead and let them
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 6: have the last possession trying to score, or would you
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 6: rather be down and have to try to get the
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 6: last score.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: With I would rather be down. I would always rather
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: be down have the ball.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Interesting, Well, I think that's what's gonna happen.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 6: And I got Drake leading the first game winning or
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 6: second second game winning drive of the season and of
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 6: his career, perhaps the fourth quarter, first fourth quarter come
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 6: back of his career. I'm gonna take the Patriots thirty
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 6: five thirty three.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 7: No, it's it's gonna be.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 6: It's gonna be tough, Fred, It's gonna be especially live
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 6: ups and downs.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 7: Josh Allen, a.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 6: Couple of big plays, a lot a heavy size, yeah yeah,
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 6: but also a lot of like there we go, you know,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 6: a lot of that. I just I think it's going
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 6: to be one of those roller coaster games back and forth.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 10: Patriots twenty seven, Bills twenty four.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was dirty pool right there, Alex. I said
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 4: that score first.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 10: You did, and I told you I had the same
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 10: one written down.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 4: Alex and I have the same score. I like the Patriots.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of intangible qualities about this game that
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: I think favorite New England. I feel like Buffalo has
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 4: sort of been in desperation mode for a few weeks,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 4: and I think when you do that, you know, you
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: kind of take a little gas out of the tank
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 4: with each one of them because they kind of have
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: to win some of these games. I think they're much
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: healthier the Patriots. I think they have that win, you know,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: on the road that has really bolstered their confidence. And
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 4: I know it's not silly. We talked about it a
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 4: lot this week, but I think they're going to use it.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 4: This stupid spread, I think is going to be part
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: of their motivation. You know, we're eleven and two, when
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 4: we're underdogs to a team that we already beat on
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: the road. You know, where's our respect? And I think
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 4: they're looking at it that way. I don't think it'll
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: be a blowout. I think Buffalo's good. Yeah, you know,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 4: I know the Patriots fans think Buffalo stinks. So I
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: don't want to hear you crowing in the postgame. If
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: this game goes the way we say it's going to
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: go because you think Buffalo stinks, Mike, you and I
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: will be very impressed with this way. Fred's going to
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: come in with hats and T shirts right off the
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: field when it comes into the postgames, T shirts for
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 4: the whole cast and the other Alex You're welcome to
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 4: join if you want to come down on Shirley Temple's
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: all around all right. So Patriots twenty seven, twenty four,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: they wrap up the a FCS for the first time
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 4: since twenty nineteen.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 7: Wowoh, there we go. Set the stage. It's like Paton
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 7: coming out to get the speech.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 4: I feel like, right, did I settle you by the
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: two positive?
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 7: No, no, the only way we ever want a football game.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: Listen. I think the six and Oero Rabel coming out
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: of the buy means something I think he gets. Like,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: even when Belichick was here, Patriots weren't that always that
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: great coming out of the buy. Sometimes they were a
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: little nasty. But I think this team's going to come out.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: I think they know. I don't even think they need
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: the motivation of the one and a half. I think
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: I think they still believe they have a lot to prove.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: Nothing's been done. They're not satisfied.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: Rabels mentioned it several times that nothing they've done so
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: far is enough.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 3: They want more. So I think they're going to come
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: out right out of the gate. Tough game.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: Though.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: I give a lot of respect to Josh Allen. He's
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: a great quarterback. Thirty one twenty one Patriots.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 4: Oh it was a lot closer, a lot closer than
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: I thought. I thought for sure it was gonna be
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 4: like thirty eight to three, A lot closer.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: I think Allen is good enough to get twenty one point.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he definitely is. It's uh.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: I was waiting for Fred. We didn't come this far
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: just to come this far. Yeah, your little well, I'm.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 7: Glad the weather. I'm glad the weather has has calmed down.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 7: It's not quite the same. So did you have a
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 7: table pound.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying that, when you have something presented to
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: you for the taking.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: Take it.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, take it. Yeah.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: And we have the AFC East right here for the taking. Yeah.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 6: I don't want to lament those missed opportunities, but I'm
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 6: interested how the game's gonna declare. You know, is it
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 6: going to be both teams going back and forth right
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 6: out of the gate, or is it feeling out?
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 7: Is a little you know, sloppy.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: This is a game that will not declare itself early.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, both teams score in the first quarter of this game, Yes,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I think so. I think that's the
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 7: kind of game it's going to be.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 6: You know that maybe build some lulls, but I think
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 6: early and late there'll be a few scores.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: You know, and there'll be some wacky things in wacky walls.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: Will be on the post game show dissecting certain plays,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: I'm sure.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, wearing hats, drinking Shirley temples.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 4: There'll be something completely irrelevant to the game that Fred
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 4: and I will argue over eight minutes.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: He's got his hands, so we're here to entertain. But
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: this is this is it, This is what we wanted, folks.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: We're back in it.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: We're back to meaningful games in December.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: Be excited about it.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 6: Well, I mentioned too, Fred, I don't know if you
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 6: mentioned on the show, but like this game is that
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 6: you can't get tickets, Like this is going to be
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 6: an atmosphere. This is people are well aware of the
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 6: magnitude of this game and the opportunity, and this.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: Is like an apartment in Tuscany.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: They just can't get it.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: There's nothing available.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 6: See, this is when I'll be jealous walking through the
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 6: parking Well, you know, the only time I'm not jealous
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 6: walking through the parking lot is.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 7: When I'm like, it's freezing and You're like, I can't.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 4: I couldn't do its time of year than I am,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 4: like in the middle of September and I'm playing Scorge.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, no, I couldn't handle it.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 6: I did one of those like electric vests or you know,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 6: I need like electricity heating me.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't. Long underwear is the way to go.
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  Speaker 7: I love long underwear. As you get older, you gotta
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  Speaker 7: he got a layer that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what long underwear.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know what long underwear is normals, Like, that's
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: long underwear.
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  Speaker 23: Okay, so like you know, man was short underwhere but
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  Speaker 23: in the winter sometimes you were long under instead of shorts.
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  Speaker 11: There long thermal got it but thermals Now I know
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  Speaker 11: exactly what did you guys?
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  Speaker 7: When I was in Vermont, I have one of those
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  Speaker 7: ones that's like a full suit.
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  Speaker 6: It's kind of like the old wessel where they button it,
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  Speaker 6: but it's also got the little flat you know, just
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  Speaker 6: some business right right right, you know, just got your
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  Speaker 6: boots on and going on into the woods.
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  Speaker 2: Was it pink or red?
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  Speaker 7: It was red?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: Red?
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  Speaker 6: There were Steve red Stephen Ridley right, used to you
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  Speaker 6: put it under your clothes and you're like, you know
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  Speaker 6: you got those you were onesies.
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  Speaker 4: Well, isn't that what you're talking about?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? It was underwear he had.
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  Speaker 4: Outside the stuff that Stephen Ridley used to wear.
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  Speaker 2: Don't I don't think.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it was really meant to be worn
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  Speaker 4: his clothes.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I think there was kind of undergarments he got.
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  Speaker 22: Maybe you right, market it be right anyway, big game.
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  Speaker 22: I'm excited. I know everybody's excited. Don't don't be afraid.
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  Speaker 22: Don't be afraid.
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  Speaker 3: This is this is it, This is no Road, No fear,
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  Speaker 3: The Road to Santa Clara.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, this is start.
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  Speaker 3: Starts starts on Sunday. That's right, all right.
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