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L61 The Return of Kevin Kehne from The Arizona Four · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, So I'm finally caught up. This is the
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  Speaker 1: episode sixty one of my Lives. So I've been uploading
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  Speaker 1: these over the last few weeks and I'm finally finally
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  Speaker 1: caught up. If you guys have been on the journey
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  Speaker 1: with me and listening to all of these, well, thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much for that. Dude. This is it's been
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  Speaker 1: quite a bit of work. I've found how to do
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  Speaker 1: it faster through time. You get to set you know,
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  Speaker 1: download and separate out audio audio and then take it
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  Speaker 1: and put it on the software and then clean it
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  Speaker 1: up and then pre record like I'm doing right now.
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  Speaker 1: So thank you also very much for your patients. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm finally all caught up. So this week's episode was
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  Speaker 1: with Kevin Keeney from the Arizona Four. I know him
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  Speaker 1: and I know Chris Kramer. They are two members of
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  Speaker 1: the four, and I've had Chris on before. There's a
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  Speaker 1: couple episodes recently. Actually one of the Lives he was on,
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  Speaker 1: and I had Kevin on a episode regular episode where
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  Speaker 1: we kind of went through what he's been going through.
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  Speaker 1: So this is not going through but like what he's experiencing.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a better way of saying it him
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  Speaker 1: and his group that goes out to the Mogian Rim
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  Speaker 1: in Arizona there, and it's I don't know what to
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  Speaker 1: say about it. Really, it's it's kind of profound what
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  Speaker 1: they're running into it. There's there's some mind speed going on.
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  Speaker 1: There's like some healing going on. There's light activity, glowing eyes.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's a part where one gentleman stepped forward. One
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  Speaker 1: couldn't see him anymore, but the other one could from
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  Speaker 1: his point of view, and then he stepped over, said
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  Speaker 1: look I can see him and grabbed him, said look
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  Speaker 1: at my point of view. And he said, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: he did this up here. So it's wild. We we
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  Speaker 1: went through, you know, on the live here. So these
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  Speaker 1: are lives that you can catch every Friday at three
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  Speaker 1: excuse me, that's my time. I member here in Central
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  Speaker 1: Mountain time at the moment at four forty five pm
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  Speaker 1: Eastern time, every Friday. So it was alive. So I
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  Speaker 1: was fielding questions. We had a ton of questions. I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't get to all the questions. I'm so very sorry,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I have to kind of you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: listening to the gentleman. I'm going with the flow of
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  Speaker 1: the show, you know, reacting to you know, some of
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  Speaker 1: the things on the chat and the posting them up,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, promoting all my friend shows and other
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  Speaker 1: other researchers and other people I've had on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Pardon me, good lord. So it was, uh, it was
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  Speaker 1: a lot, dude. So you know, if I didn't get
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  Speaker 1: to your question, maybe next time when I have one again,
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure i'll have Kevin on again. It's been uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's been a really wild journey. I'm finally up to
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  Speaker 1: episode sixty one over here on the live side. Also,
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  Speaker 1: the regular episodes drop every week on Tuesday at four
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  Speaker 1: forty Eastern time. Excuse me for thirty eastern four forty
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  Speaker 1: Why would I say four forty I don't know anyhow,
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  Speaker 1: I'm over here coffin and everything. I don't know. But
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  Speaker 1: we're making it work. We're having a good time anyway.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, and so those does come out every every
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday at four thirty Eastern standard time. Yeah. So those
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  Speaker 1: are a lot of fun, and there will be intros
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  Speaker 1: on those as well. I'm catching up on others and
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm on episode seventy three, seventy four so
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  Speaker 1: there's sixty episodes of this. There's seventy something plus episodes
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  Speaker 1: of the regular show, so sixty and seventy is one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty something episodes of the I Jupiter Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: It just seems what I'm running. It seems to be
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  Speaker 1: what I'm running into lately. It's quite fascinating. I'm getting
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  Speaker 1: many different angles on it. You know, some I have
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  Speaker 1: New Future, some Native Native Americans coming on and talking
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  Speaker 1: about their experiences and their their lore and their and
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  Speaker 1: hope you guys appreciated and enjoy the show, because I did.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoy my guests very much, and please enjoy. Kevin
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  Speaker 1: Kinney from the Arizona four Welcome back to the I
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  Speaker 1: Tube Alive. I'm your host, time Franklin. Today we have
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  Speaker 1: on the wonderful Kevin Keeney from the Arizona Forum. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to get into some more of what he's been
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  Speaker 1: experiencing on the Moogiamren. I do realize I am about
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  Speaker 1: five minutes early, but we were just talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: He's a former military gentleman, just like myself, and he says,
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  Speaker 1: if you're early, you're on time. If you're on time,
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  Speaker 1: you're late, and I believe in that as well. Also,
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  Speaker 1: today is a very very somber day, a day of remembrance.
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  Speaker 1: This is the anniversary of the D Day invasion, the
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  Speaker 1: liberation of Europe, and we would make sure that we
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  Speaker 1: don't forget things like that. So this is a very
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  Speaker 1: special day for Kevin and I as well as many
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  Speaker 1: other Americans, Europeans and other allies that fought with us
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  Speaker 1: on those beaches in Normandy. So you keep finding yourself
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  Speaker 1: you guys want to get a T shirt hat. I
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  Speaker 1: got some merchandise here. The descriptions for all that are
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  Speaker 1: out of the way, let's welcome from Arizona, mister Kevin Keeney.
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  Speaker 1: Why I was I'm doing well and I was looking
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  Speaker 1: in your backyard there and enjoying that you have finally
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  Speaker 1: some nice weather down there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're we're where we should be.
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  Speaker 4: We're in the eighties and for the highs and and
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  Speaker 4: just absolutely loving it. Real quick, I want to thank
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  Speaker 4: you for, you know, bringing up the D Day thing.
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  Speaker 4: I had an uncle that was first or second wave
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  Speaker 4: at Omaha, so oh yeah, it hits close.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, we have to bring it up. Man. It's
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  Speaker 1: important keep people forget like what that was about. I
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  Speaker 1: actually served in your armed forces in two years of
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  Speaker 1: my duty. I was in Germany because of that whole situation,
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  Speaker 1: and we still have bases there that it's minimized compared
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  Speaker 1: to what it used to be. But I think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's one of those kind of things where you never forget,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's a very important date in all the
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  Speaker 1: world history, not just American. So it's important you're there
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  Speaker 1: never You're never there, you're there.
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  Speaker 3: Is it me freezing up?
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  Speaker 1: Or is it you? I Well, we're gonna ask the
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  Speaker 1: chat who's freezing up? I'm sure. Let's see. I look good.
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  Speaker 1: Everything on my side looks good. I don't have any
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  Speaker 1: I don't have any issues. I don't have any things
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  Speaker 1: showing me that I'm slow and whatnot. So we have
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  Speaker 1: welcome people are already welcome you to the show. We
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  Speaker 1: have Thomas clear Saw so it's okay, thank you. So
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  Speaker 1: it's Kevin sure side buddy, no worries. Well, we'll work
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  Speaker 1: our way around it. Welcome to the show. We have
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  Speaker 1: already people are asking you if you guys have T shirts?
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  Speaker 1: Interesting is the arison before you guys T shirts?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we do, we have, you know, I'm wearing one
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  Speaker 4: right now, but we haven't ventured out into you know,
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  Speaker 4: making quantity of them.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked about it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we're just a bunch of uh four guys
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  Speaker 4: that you know, run around the woods. So but it's
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  Speaker 4: something we've been discussing, as you know, is getting some
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  Speaker 4: merchandise made. And when that happens, everybody will know.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Chris is over there with a smiley, laughy face,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. This is your friend. This is one of
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  Speaker 1: your good friends, part of Arizona for Ah. So do
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  Speaker 1: be a favorite band? Like I tell you know you
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  Speaker 1: were on the Regular Show. That was an incredible show,
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  Speaker 1: one of my one of my favorites. Could you tell
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  Speaker 1: everybody a little bit about yourself and like you know
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  Speaker 1: where we can find the Arizona fore Man.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, So my name is Kevin, last name Kennie,
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  Speaker 4: married four kids, twenty one grandkids, retired, medically retired. So
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  Speaker 4: I found out as much of my free time as
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  Speaker 4: I can out in the woods doing what it is
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  Speaker 4: I do, or we do, I should say.
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  Speaker 1: Chris says it's past my bedtime, not yet. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 1: a little mean. Anyhow.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, so I've been an avid outdoorsman my
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  Speaker 4: entire life. Eagle scout, long distance backpacking, hunting, camping, all
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  Speaker 4: of that, you know, my entire life. I've done some
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  Speaker 4: work tracking. Yeah, so just you know, very well rounded
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  Speaker 4: wilderness survival expert.
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  Speaker 1: YadA, YadA, YadA.
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  Speaker 4: So we we got the Arizona Fourth thing going. We
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  Speaker 4: all joined up over the last four or five six well,
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  Speaker 4: actually a couple of us six almost seven years ago
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  Speaker 4: now that Rob and Wayne came onto the scene.
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  Speaker 3: But it's just you know, the group four of us.
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  Speaker 4: There used to be a few more, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: we've streamlined it and if you want to see us,
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  Speaker 4: you can find us on Facebook at Arizona four like
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  Speaker 4: it's on the hat.
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  Speaker 1: Or you can.
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  Speaker 4: Find us on YouTube at the Arizona four Sasquatch Experience.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, there's the Facebook. There's a Facebook group is right
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  Speaker 1: there on the screen. Guys. Uh, the YouTube, I don't
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  Speaker 1: have that. I guess maybe pame grab it in a second.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, man, it's when you first came on. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we kind of just introduced ourselves to one another, and
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  Speaker 1: you know kind of like just you know, like I
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  Speaker 1: normally do, I feel feel everything out, and the way
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  Speaker 1: you like fell into this was quite here you go,
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  Speaker 1: here's your channel right here, there's your channel. Kind of like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: it kind of came to you while you were just
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  Speaker 1: out doing your thing, right, living your life.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you know, for me, you know how it
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  Speaker 3: all started.
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  Speaker 5: The very first time was gosh, you know, nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 5: to eighty two summer right in there, an experience with
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  Speaker 5: the Boy Scouts while backpacking on the High Line Trail,
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  Speaker 5: which traverses the base of the Moggion Rim.
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  Speaker 3: You know, so that was my very first experience.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 4: So I've always had an interest in it. I just
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  Speaker 4: never did a whole lot with it, you know, because
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  Speaker 4: Bigfoot lived in the Pacific Northwest, not in Arizona. We
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  Speaker 4: had the Moggion Monster, and you know, when I was
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  Speaker 4: a kid, you know, back into Boy Scouts, you know,
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  Speaker 4: that's what we thought it was with some type of
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  Speaker 4: a monster, and you know, we were going to be
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  Speaker 4: eating a live type situation. But you know, the whole
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  Speaker 4: time I'm in the outdoors, you know, I'm always paying
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  Speaker 4: attention to my surroundings, and you know, and a lot
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  Speaker 4: of high strangeness, you know, especially you know, I spent
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  Speaker 4: a lot of my time in the Superstition Mountains, which
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  Speaker 4: is to the east of the Phoenix metropolitan area, home
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  Speaker 4: of the lost Detchman gold Mine. Very rugged country, but
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  Speaker 4: you know, I spent a lot of time in there,
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  Speaker 4: and just a lot of high strangeness experiences I had,
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  Speaker 4: and I just kind of always wrote it off as
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  Speaker 4: it was the spirit of the mountain, you know, because
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  Speaker 4: you know, I can never lay eyes on anything. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I I glow a couple of times, but I didn't,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I had no idea what the hell it
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  Speaker 4: was I was looking at. And yeah, you know, so
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  Speaker 4: what I've experienced since then, you know, it's a whole
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  Speaker 4: lot of aha, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we actually have a first question. Yeah, it's we
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  Speaker 1: kind of jump in the shark a little bit. But
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  Speaker 1: we'll go ahead and we'll have a question from Ray.
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  Speaker 1: This is the person who wants to They also said
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  Speaker 1: they've they've excuse me, somehow didn't work there. I wrap
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  Speaker 1: it again. They also said they try to get into
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  Speaker 1: the Facebook page and they haven't been a lougic. But
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  Speaker 1: the question is from Ray, what has Kevin learned about
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  Speaker 1: about our world through sasquatch? That would blow our mind?
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  Speaker 1: Good question, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: About our what what I've learned, What I've learned from
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  Speaker 4: the forest people about our world? Yea, if I'm understanding
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  Speaker 4: that question, okay, that we haven't got the slightest clue whats.
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  Speaker 1: Going on in reality? That's what I've learned.
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  Speaker 4: Well, well, it's you know, the simplicity too, that is,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they they have abilities that we don't uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know there they don't seem to be bound to
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  Speaker 4: the same laws of physics that you and I are.
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  Speaker 4: You know, So with that being said, you know, there's
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  Speaker 4: a whole lot of stuff that happens out there that
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's just like I have no answers for it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand how it works. It's our nature to
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  Speaker 4: want to know, you know, especially you know, I'm a
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  Speaker 4: nuts of bolts kind of guy, and I want to
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  Speaker 4: know how stuff works and why it works the way
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  Speaker 4: it does. And yeah, that for the most part just
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  Speaker 4: does not work, you know, doing what we're out doing.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the phrase that I coined was don't let
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  Speaker 4: your experience. I'm going to brain fart now, don't let
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  Speaker 4: your experiences. I'm just gonna shut up. My brain just
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: went white.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: You said it on the first show, something like something,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: don't let your don't let your like your thoughts inform
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: your uh form your paradigm, lift your paradigm for your thoughts,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: something like this.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll get it here in a second. I've had
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: three granddaughters, three granddaughters.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Here for two weeks weeks now.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: And so I my brain's a little, a little on
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: the side.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I'd imagine when you have twenty five, I think you said, yeah,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: no worries. I'm sure when you have twenty plus grand
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: you have a twenty one. When you have twenty onerank
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: grandchildren and they come by, it's you know, they always
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: want to see granddad, and sometimes, you know, you get
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: a little twisted up. Don't let here it is. Chris
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: got it for you. Don't let your take your experience.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Thanks brother, I knew I could count on you.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Chris like your experiences, your paradigm.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Another one of the Chris is there, don't worry man,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: so so, so this happened. You have a little bit
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: of eye shine, don't worry about a buddy. This is dude,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: this is what people want. Man, if you're perfect and polished,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: then what's the sense of doing anything?
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Well, there's a difference between eye shine and
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: eye glow. Eye shine is light reflecting off the eyeballs,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: like a cat or a dog or something, and you know,
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: car drives by and you get the glow from from
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: the light reflecting off of the eyes. Eye glow is
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: when they buy a luminous there eyes and they actually,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: you know, the best way I can describe it, majority
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: of the time, it's green. But you know the chem
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: lights that you snap and shake up and you know
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: they glow.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: It's it's that kind of a green.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: And you know when when you got something like that
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: that big around, you know, two of them about that
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: far apart. You know, it's, uh, it's obvious what it is.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: But yeah, so eye shine eye glow are different. And
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: so what I was experiencing in the superstitions a couple
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: of times was eye glow.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, have you experienced both?
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, yeah, you know, not not not not
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: a whole lot of the eye shine, you know, because
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: when we're when we're out doing what it is we're doing,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: we're sitting in the dark, right you know, most of
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: the time you can't see your hand in front of
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: your face.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: No camp fires, no lights.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: You know, we use real high light discipline, or we
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: attempt to, you know, when the moon's fall or something
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: like that, you might have an opportunity to get a
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: little bit of eye shine. But the times that I've
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: had the actual eye shine was you know, when I
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: was younger doing backpacking and you know, it's shining of
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: flashlight and get a little eye shine, but you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: it's hard to determine exactly what it is.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: You know, it could be a cow, you know.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's all kinds of animals out there that
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: you know, you can get the eye shine from. But
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: when you get eye glow, there's nothing else out there
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: that does that other than the force people.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Another question from yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, I thought it
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: was a natural pause. No, No, it's all right.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying that that's the distinction between the yeah,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: you know, and so when a lot of you know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: when people say I've seen eye shine, you know, are
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: you talking about eye shine light shining of the eyes,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: or are you talking about the bioluminous eye glow? And
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: you know, so that's the distinction between the two, and
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: there's a huge difference between them.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. Absolutely. I mean we've all experienced, you know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: like you know, you shine a light through a field,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: you see deer fox. I mean, I've even seen like
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: those wolf spiders. If you shine lights on them, they'll
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: reflect back at you as well. So that's different than
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: something actually glowing even if you're not shining a light
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: on them, even you know, even if it's like cloudy
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: or something like that at night. Yeah, that's different.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: The question we have from Ray is have you had
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: any experiences outside of the woods, and I imagine and
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: regards to the forest people, maybe you can go into
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: that a little bit and tell me what what you experienced.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Okay, outside of the woods. You know, it's being that
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: I'm from the desert. You know, I spent a lot
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: of time in the desert, so yes, I've had desert experiences.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: And actually one of the best trackways I've ever found
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: was in a place that most people would say, there's
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: not a chance you got a trackway there.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: But on the on the east side.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: Of the Phoenix Metropolitan Area, there's what's called the Salt
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: River Recreation Area, separated by pace from the city by
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: a very small mountain range, and I mean a very
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: small mountain range, but it's where everybody goes intertubing.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: And there's one section on that.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: River where there's a divide before it makes a hard
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: ninety degree turn and goes by the goes under the bridge.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: But it's called the island.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: And during the winter months there's hardly any water being
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: released because they're storing it up, and so it's easier
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: to get out to this island. So I was, you know,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: my first year out doing this. Can't go up on
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: top of the mogion Rim because there's five feet of
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: snow up there. So I'm like, well, okay, let's see
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: what's going on. There's water source, there's trees, there's food,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: you know, all the typical stuff that you know, the
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: average person would think that I need. So I went
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: out there and I actually found a lot of a
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: lot of structure, you know, some woven branches. But when
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: I came across that trackway, it was just phenomenal, you know,
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: So so I did a you know, made a video
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: of it and took photographs and YadA YadA. Now outside
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: of the desert, and maybe what the question was referring
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: to was, uh, Pamela, that wasn't on a podcast. That's
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: on my Arizona Squatch channel. You have to go into
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: the way back machine on it, but you can find
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: the video on Arizona Squatch. But uh, you know, as
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: far as at my house, yes, I've had I've had two,
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: maybe three episodes at my house, the most profound one
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: and Chris kind of told you about the one that
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: I that I called Indie. But the backdrop to this is,
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: you know, I've been been out in the field for
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: two years doing this, starting to develop a relationship with
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: one of the senior elders.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: His name is Yaiden Gone. I called him Indy.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: And so my daughter wanted to go out to the
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Renaissance Festival, my youngest daughter, So my wife and I
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: we went and picked her up. We went out to
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: the Renaissance Festival. You know, I've got one eye. I'm
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: blind in this I it's prosthetic, you know, so very crowded.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: It's hot out there. I'm bumping into people. They're getting
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: pissed at me. I'm getting pissed at them. My PTSD
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: just starts skyrocketing. Yeah, you know, I just got to
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: I got to the point where I was like, you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: I can't do this anymore.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: We gotta leave.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean I was spun up, and you know,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: so I went home.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, took a puff that didn't help, and
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: I said, well, I am going to And I was
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: laying in bed, I was saying my prayers and you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: I kind of sleep on my stomach's last side, and
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: I felt this ever so gentle touch on my shoulder
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: and on my head and I thought it was my wife.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: And I turned, you know to looked, you know, because
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: I thought she was coming into you know, comfort me
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: down a little bit. There's a shimmering image standing there
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: and I look and I say, is that you Indy?
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: And I get the subconscious yes, and you need to
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: go to sleep. And I was out cold, probably out
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: for almost eleven and a half hours. Walk up last
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: morning filling like a million dollars.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: That's incredible. That's so strange. That's so strange. Oh, I
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: don't know where to go with that one. You know,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: you got me befuddled. I'll do what you did a
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: minute ago. That way, we looked like a you know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: a couple of peas in a pot here. So you yeah,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: so you go to the moggion Rim. This is an
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: area that's that's that's an elevated plateau in the I
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: believe it's like closer to like the northwest of northwest Arizona.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Is that correct.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: It's it's the central part of the state and it
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: runs for a couple of hundred miles.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Where we go and I.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Don't If I stood up and raised camera up like that,
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: you can see it. I literally live on the edge
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: of the moggion Rim in a small little community called Robbery.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: So this is where I live. Lived here for four
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: years now. Used to live in the Phoenix Mill area,
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: but retirements brought us up here and peace and happiness.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: So the moggion Rim is is where we spend is
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: where we spend the majority of our time. When the
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: weather gets you know, gets to a certain point snowfall wise,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: when the very first heavy snow comes in, the four
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: service shuts the mogian Rim down, you know, because you.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Get a lot of what we call citi.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Its that have no business in anywhere other than the
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: middle of the city. But they'll want to go play
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: into snow and they'll go drive back on these roads
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: and you know, get get stuck, and you know they've
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: had a lot of fatalities because of it. So they
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: just shut They just shut the roads down so you
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: can't get back into the places that we go to.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: So when the first heavy snow comes in, that's what happens,
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: and it's typically closed until a prol first. We didn't
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: have any snow packed this year, so it was pretty
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: much open all year long.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, my first.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Step up to a place that that we call church camp,
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: I think we were It might have been January that
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: we were up there, which is absolutely and absolutely unheard of.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, did you guys just recently go up there? At
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: least you were up there. I've seen some pictures and
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: some photos on your Facebook. Weren't you just up there recently? Yeah?
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: M hmm, Okay, y we were.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, I was just I was just stup there. Uh,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Memorial weekend for family outing.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so you guys there's four of you.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I remember Wayne, I remember you, and I remember Chris. Yeah,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I can hear it's kind of breaking up a little bit.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: We'll make it work, man. It happens sometimes, that's why.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: That's the beauty of the life. And it happens, you know. So,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: uh do you hear me? I think I think I'm back. Yeah,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: you're coming in and out. But like I said, normally
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: it's on my end, so no big deal.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's let's pause for a minute because I think
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: I think part of my issue.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Everybody, but if you're on the Wi Fi, not be
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: on it. Okay? Is that any better?
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it sounds good. Sounds good, sounds good. No
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: big deal. It can't really pause it. But it's not
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: it's not a problem. It's not a problem.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Well, I just had all the drink, get off, get
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: off the Wi Fi.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: So yeah, what I did is I ended up. Yeah,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I ended up connecting to my uh through a cable,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: but I still had issues because I had like so
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: much of my trash I had empty. My computer was slow.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Things happened, dude, that's what it's. It's part of it.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: You were telling me, uh so you uh you uh,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you had there's four of you guys. There's you Wayne,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: you Wayne, Kevin, You're Kevin Chris, So Kevin Wayne Chris.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: And who's the fourth guy again? And the fourth gentleman again,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Rob Rob Cope and you guys just uh, you started
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: your friends, I'd imagine before this somehow, and you both
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: started going up and enjoying the outdoors and then you know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: you just know, okay, how did this come about?
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: No?
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Well, first off was was Rob, me and another guy
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: that I used to go out with. We wanted to
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: go try out a new location and pulled up on
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: site with my grandson and I was like, oh crap,
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: somebody's camping here. And I was like, oh, well, the
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: forest is free. If anything's going to happen, it's going
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: to happen. And so we ended up going over and
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: talking to this couple and you know, it turned out
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: to be Rob and and his wife and they'd been
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: camping in that area for twenty five years. And asked him,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: you know, have you had any you know, any weird experiences?
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: And Rob goes, what, like, you wefo's were like in Bigfoot?
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: And I go, well, yeah, like Bigfoot, and no we
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: have you know, they start giving us that look like
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: you know, we're we're off our rocker and and.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: The guy I was with looks at him.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: You know, we're we're talking and explaining some of the
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: stuff that happens, and he says, sometimes they'll do real
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: subtle stuff like maybe you found a flower on the
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: seat of your quad, and you know, and the fact
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: that he even said that, you know, I was just like,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: where'd you.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Come up with that?
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: That? Well?
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Rob, well, Rob and Kathy, you know, they look at
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: each other and they're like they wait, and you know,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: and we talked to them for a little bit more,
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: and you know, I give them my information and uh,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: you know, because they were packing up and they left, well,
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: they got a hold of me and they really wanted
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: to talk. And so we went over there and talked
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: with him for about three four hours and and they
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: were just completely baffled that that we knew that there
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: was a flower left on the seat of their quad.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: It was her quad and the flower was on the seat.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: But that had happened years before, and you know, and
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: Rob was always like blaming his boys for it. They're like,
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: what you think we're going to put a flower on
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: mom's seat, you know type things. So they never understood
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: where the flower on the seat came from and the
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: fact that you know this guy that I was out
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: there with, you know, brings that up, and you know,
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: it just kind of and you know, Rob's been coming
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: out with us pretty much ever since. Uh, you know,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: one of the first times they that Rob came out
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: with his wife, I think it was like his third
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: or fourth trip out and and.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I laughed because of the situation.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: But you know, we're sitting kind of apart from each
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: other and it's dark, and there's like six or seven
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: of them around us, and Kathy snaps. Robi watched this snap,
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: said him and says, stop touching me. And Rob's like,
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: I can't even reach you.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: So they came up and was touching her.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: And one of Rob's friends that was there the next
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: day told him, you know, he was an engineer. He goes,
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know how to process this, but I saw
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: an arm and that you know, that's all he saw
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: was like the forearm in hand.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Cut her.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: And you know, so he's been addicted ever since. And
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: you know, so that's how Rob came into it and Wayne.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Wayne came in pretty much about the same time, kind
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: of the same scenario, except he had contacted us, and
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: you know, we invited him out. So him and Rob
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: pretty much at the same time, became part of the group.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: And then Chris and I, you know, we had met
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: a previously on on the YouTube group, on a Facebook group. Sorry,
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: and then he had moved to Arizona and he wanted
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: to come out, and I said, well, you can come
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: out with me. I can't promise you anything's going to happen,
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: but what I can promise you is I've never been
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: out and not had anything happen. And you know, so
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: he came out on that first trip with with me.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: It was just him and I out there, and and uh,
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: that was a class ten plus tight night, you know,
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: tight trip.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Well, it was just an amazing amount of activity.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: And you know, we'll go into it. Tell me what
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: happened the first time. Tell me what happened when you
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: guys went up there the first time. You and christ what.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well the question is what didn't happen? You know, So.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: You know, going you know, going back into the way
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: back machine here. You know, it started out, you know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: it took him out and the first day he got
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: out there, I met him out where we make phone
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: calls and brought him him and showed him some structures
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: and then we went for a walk kind of down
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: this hill and you know, found juvenile footprint that was
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: about that big. You know, it had dried up, it
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: stepped there in the mud, but you know, so that
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: was a rock solid. And we went back up to camp,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: you know, and he had a pretty pretty decent well
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: I shouldn't say decent, but he had a limp. He
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: had a bad ankle. And we got back up to
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: the camp and he's like, man, I got to go
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: to bed. I don't know what's gonomamy. I got taken that.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: And so he went and laid down. He was out
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: for like almost three hours. Yeah, you know, so I'm
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: sitting there going, you know, this guy sleeves a lot.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: But uh, he woke up and you know, everything was
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: fine and dandy, and and uh, you know, he next thing,
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: I know, he's going, you know what, my ankle doesn't hurt.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: And just to say this, he has not had any
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: pain or limp in that ankle since that first moment.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: But you know, it's just the high level activity, you know,
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: the twinkle lights and eye glow and you know, it's
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: like the fourth of July with all these lights going off,
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: and at one point we decided, you know, I decided
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: to walk him over to where the gift stump was,
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: you know, because I was still gifting at that time.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: And uh, you know, so you know, it's it's pitch dark,
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: but you know, so we walked, you know, it was
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: about one hundred and fifty yards or so out to
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: the gift stump.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: We went out there to that and and uh, you.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Know, we we were getting buzzed, you know, getting some
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: some zaps, light zapps, nothing real. And so we're walking
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: back to the camp and it's like he's flipping stadium
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: light we're on, just on the other side of where
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: our camp was, and just lighting the forest up. There's
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: nobody within probably fifteen miles of us, you know, there's
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: no vehicles with KC lights on.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: I mean nothing, you know, and Chris is going, the
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: hell is that?
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know, That's a new one
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: And it just just a lot of heavy activity like
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: that that first trip. And you know, for his first
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: trip out with you know, with me. You know, I'm
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: glad he got you know, the full Monty instead of
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: you know, just like a twinkle light.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, I'm sorry, it's a there's a
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: little lag, no big deal. When you see something like that,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: is there any part of you, like, you know, that gets,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: you know a little bit like scare a little bit?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, is there anything when you see something that's
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: so bright that shouldn't be there? Does a part of
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: you that does it just go? Wow? What is that?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Is there a party that goes wow? What is that?
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: You know? I mean, like, no, okay.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: The only only time I that I've gone uh was
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: the very first time I saw the big red orb.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: And I think I talked about that on your last
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: show over at Squatch Camp. And you know, it as
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: a crow for about fifteen miles away from where Travis
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Walton was abducted back in I think seventy eight or
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: seventy nine, you know, so, and I was brand new
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: into this, and you know, so I was like, uh,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: what's going on here? But now, when when they tell
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: me that I am protected when I'm out there, that
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: there is always one watching me when I'm out and
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: that they they're looking out for me, I trust them
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: in that. And you know, I've had enough situations that
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: has verified that and so is.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: There a lot that happens that makes me go, yeah.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, I imagine, like you, to build that kind of relationship,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I'd imagine to build that kind of relationship with these
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: forest people, that it takes. It takes a lot of trust,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: it takes a lot of time, and it takes a
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: lot of respect.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it does.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: It's for the first couple of years I was doing this,
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: like the first year and just a matter of what
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: from well, just say August first to October, I did
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: thirty six days. The second year I was doing this,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: I did one hundred and fourteen days. Third year I
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: was out, I did one hundred and I did one
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: hundred and twenty days. I spent a lot of time
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: out there, know, and it's that there's a lot of
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: things in life I could have been doing other than that.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: You know, I got a beautiful wife and grandkids and
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: my kids, and you know, I did Papa daycare. There
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: was a lot of things I could be doing other
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: than you know, spending thousands and thousands and thousands of
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: hours out you know, out in the forest, you know,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: trying to figure out what's going on.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Took a lot of time to develop the level of
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: trust that I've that I and we and I will
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: say we because you know we've we've all had our experiences,
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: We've all had, uh, you know, some very profound moments,
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: and and I'll tell you that there's not one of
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: us that goes out that we have not felt their love,
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: not felt their trust and even a degree of respect.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: That's wow.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: It's a lot of a lot of work.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: But I was talking to Barb. I can't think of
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: her last name right now, but she's up in Washington
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: State and she's starting to develop that as well with them,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: and she had this thing where they they're pretty upset
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: about the fact that we as humans think that they're monsters.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Like she had this profound feeling that they write and
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: she says, she was saying, somewhere is up to six
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: to seven different types are in Washington State. You know
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: that they're they're Barb Hartman, thank you so much. But
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I just I just did an episode with her as
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: coming out later in a couple of weeks I'd imagine, yeah,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: about four weeks, and she was saying that that there's
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: many different types. There's some that are like complete black,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: there's some that look like there's some that are you know,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: like human looking or like Native American looking, but they
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: have like long hair, and there's something that look like,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: you know, like you know, your mountain gorilla. And it's
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: it's so weird the variety that she's running into and
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: the amount of like time it took her to get
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: over to fear and uh and now they're building she's
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: building slowly this relationship with them with help of other
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: people who have like yourself in the Arizona Four, who
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: have a much more uh in tune connection with these people.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what I will say is I don't know about
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: different types because I can only speak to what I've experienced.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: But with that being said, you know how many different
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: types of us are there? I mean, you know you've
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: got you know, all the different races you know, with
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: within our our species.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: And I use the word species lightly, but.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: You know you can find all of all of those
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: different features amongst us. You know, you can there there's
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: brown US, there's black US, there's white US. You know,
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: there's some of us that's got slantidized, or some of
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: us that got big eyes. There's some of us that
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: have big brow You know, there's there's a large gambit
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: you know, in US, and I think it's pretty much
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: the same with them. You know, I can't say that definitively,
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: but you know, just from what my experiences are and
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: and the and the several different locations that I've been
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: in the sightings that I've had, Yeah, I've seen them
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: pure white, you know, like a polar you know, rust
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: colored black. I've seen big, fat ones. I've seen real
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: thin ones, tall one short ones, you know, just like us.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: You know, it's you know, we got fat guys like myself,
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: and we've got skinny guys like Wayne and and uh.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: I just shout out to my brother, he looks great.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: But you know, there's just a whole variety of it. So,
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: you know, to come out and say dogmatically that you
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: know there's different kinds of them, you know, I won't
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: do that. I can't do that because I don't know
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: speculate that, yeah, that that it's probably a fair speculation.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: But you know, there there's a lot of things that
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: I would like to say that you know, this is
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: the way it is, but I can't. I just don't
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: have that ability, you know, because the reality behind it
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: is we are dealing with something that we don't have
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: the slightest clue you know, what's going on with them.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: You know, the ones that that that we deal with
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: and the ones that I have dealt with this whole time.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: They're peaceful, they're loving, they have culture, they have hierarchy,
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: they have their own spoken language. You know, they they're
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: cultures and and the thing that I've noticed between the
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: different locations that we go to is, you know, their
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: behaviors are are primarily the same, but you'll have personality differences,
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: family differences. You know, like this family will do something
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: just a little different than how this family over here operates.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: But for the most part, you know, they they pretty
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: much operate the same way. You know, we're getting the
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: same type of experience. Sometimes, you know, we get treated
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: to something special and new, like Gwen Wayne vanished on right.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I wanted to get into that again. That was Yeah,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I wanted to do that one again. Yeah, we're always
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: getting Yeah, it's a timing thing. Let's go through one
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: more question real quick. I don't know if you can
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: lend any any you know, anything to this, but the
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Ray again killing it with the questions. Thank you so
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: much for your interaction. What is the oldest Sasquatch or
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: forced person you have learned of? I've heard a thousand years,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: but that's an extreme end. Do you know their ages
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: or anything about them as individuals?
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: The best, the best answer, Yeah, the best answer I
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: can give to that is the information that you know.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: I've understood, you know from you know, the little brief
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: speaks that I get from him, Like Indy. When Indy passed,
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: he was one hundred and twenty six years or sorry,
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty six years old.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: He's got a brother that is older than him.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: But from the best of my understanding is they live
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: about three times longer than what we do. You know,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: so my grandmother was one hundred and five when she died.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: So is it out of the realm of possibility that
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: you know they can live three, maybe four hundred years.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't put it any farther past four hundred years,
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: just because of my you know, what I've experienced.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Do I know that dogmatically?
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: No?
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I don't, Okay, you know, I.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Can only I can I can only speak of you.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: Know, from from what I have learned. You know, are
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: there ones that can live for a thousand years? I
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: haven't got the slightest idea. I personally don't think so,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: you know, but you know that in a quarter will
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: get your cut.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Offee somewhere, you know. Yeah, the two two hundred twenty
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: twenty six years I think you said, is uh, that's
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: that's quite a shocking revelation. I don't think I've I
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: don't think I've heard of that qu yet I had.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: That's a new one for me. That's that's that's incredible.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: So they have they have a vast knowledge through being
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, uh, you know, long time in
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the forest and what they do whatever it is that
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: they're doing different than us, which is probably better with
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Leskid to that, uh but uh yeah, then they also
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: have a long time here, so that that that is
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: that's so incredible. Well, you know, here here's something to
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: think about. Okay, but we'll just talk about Indy. You know,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: he was two hundred and twenty six years old.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: When he died, and that was back in twenty twenty,
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, so he was an adult when the
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: first Anglo Saxons came in, you know, came into the
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: Mogi on Rim area, you know, came into Arizona, you know,
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: so he was he was an adult, and he watched
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: us come in and he watched, you know, smots cut
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: down the forests, you know, put in roads and power
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: lines and throw trash everywhere and shoot at everything that moves.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: And you know, people wonder why they don't want to
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: reveal themselves to us, is because we're assholes and they're not.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: You know, it's it's it's just that simple, you know.
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: So if that is the case, that that's how old
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: he was, he witnessed the very first Anglo Saxons move
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: into this area.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Incredible, I think. Do do you have any any type
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: of hope that maybe, like through shows like this and
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: many many others, and the information and the research and
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: you know, just the experiencing that you and your friends
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: are doing, that maybe somewhere along the line that we'll
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: like wake up and like, you know, kind of respect
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: each and everything out there in the woods.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Oh well, that's always the hope and dream, you know.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: But I mean, hell, we are inherently evil in nature.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: You know, you've been around the world, You've seen it.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I've seen it.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: You know, in general, we're you know, we're we're rotten beans,
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: you know, it's you know, we can tell ourselves that,
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: you know, yeah, I'm a good person, but you know,
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: and then somebody calls and wants to talk to you
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: and say, oh, I ain't got time to talk to you,
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: and I got to go because I got something going on.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: And you hang up and you go back to eating
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: your popcorn and watching your TV. You know, you just
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: light your ass off to somebody close to you, you know, so,
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: you know, and then and the brass tacks everything. We're assholes,
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: you know, we're untrustworthy and you know so so we
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: have to work on ourselves. And you know, and that's
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: kind of a lot of of how they operate. Is
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: how I've always felt, is they they've looked at us
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: with pity.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: And you know that.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: The love that they have.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: That I know that they have, that has been you know,
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: been shared with me in different ways. You know that
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: that kind of love only comes from the create, can
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: only come from the Creator, and you know there there's
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: no sense of evil to it whatsoever.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: I know a lot of people say, you know, you
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: could be getting fooled, and yeah.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: I'm putting the time.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: We are putting the time, you know, out in the
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: field we are. You know, we have a lot of downtime,
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: We have a lot of discussions. We dissect everything. We
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: don't agree on everything, and and that that's one of
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: the things that makes us, you know, so beautiful, because
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: if we all agreed on everything, you know, and next thing,
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: you know, Joe Shit the Ragman is is sitting there saying, oh, yeah,
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: I know everything about him, and you know, this is
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: what they do and this is why they do it
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: and how they do it, you know. And you know,
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: so with us being very critical on our experiences and
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: dissecting them and trying to you know, just really really
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: understand what's going on, and we're all from different backgrounds
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: and different belief systems, and that that we all we
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: all work together and try and harmonize our experiences. And
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: the funny everything about it with all the differences between
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: us all for the most part, you know, like talking
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: about experiences, they they all mesh together for the most part.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: There's things that we disagree on, but you know, there
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: there are minor little things, and but that that's what
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: keeps us focused and that's what keeps uh, you know
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: us balance.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I Yeah, the best way to put that, Yeah, if
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: you try to take her if you, if you, that's
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: the thing we have, this ego thing being a human
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: like I know, I know, I know. But the thing is,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: it's okay to not know anything, you know what I mean,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that. We have this. We have
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: this expectation upon ourselves as others to like know something,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: but we don't. It's fine, Like just experience for what
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: it is. Set yourself within yourself, clean the ship in
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: front of your steps before you try to point out
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: the ship in front of somebody else's steps. And if
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: we all did that, instant change in the world. And
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: I just trying to figure out why, because you'd have
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: to think that that not just you or I or
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: the small community. I would say, what do you think
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: maybe twenty percent of the people in America believe that
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: these things exist in the woods? What is that when
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: when you when this with this evidence that we are collecting,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: that does not accept it? You know. The Patterson Gimblin
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: film is the most popular because it's the most obvious,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: and people just go, that's a you know, that's a
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: gorilla in the suit. You're like, no, dude, like, what
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: are we gonna like really see it for what it is.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: One of the things that that since I started doing this,
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: when people and you know, referring to you know, how
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: can you be so silly blah blah blah blah. There's
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: no such thing signe found anything. You know, we've all heard.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: All the stories.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: My response to that is, are you familiar with the
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: allegory of the cave otherwise known as Plato's Cave?
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I am.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: You know, so I encourage I yeah, and I figured
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: you would be doing what you do.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: But a lot of people don't understand that.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: And you know, I encourage people to you know, broaden
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: their horizons, you know, and you know, just simply look
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: up allegory of the cave and that's you know, that's
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: a big answer right there, and why the mass majority
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: of the people don't want to believe it. You know,
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: one of my actually my best friend, you know, he
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: kept denying it, kept denying, you know that this was
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: going on. I took him out, you know, he heard
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: the the knock sounds, branch breaks. I showed him a footprint.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: We had sausage stolen out of our out of our eyes.
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: You know, He's had a lot of experiences and he
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: kept trying to deny it, and you know, and I
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: told him, I said, look, I'm not trying to I'm
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: not buying anything, I'm not selling anything. But this is
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: what you know, every all these other questions you have,
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: they're they're going over here and we're only going to
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: talk about what you experienced. You know, what you saw,
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: what you experienced, and you come up with your own
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: conclusion to that. And you know, so now you know,
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: he absolutely knows that they're real, and he doesn't want
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: anything to do with them, and he won't go.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Into the woods anymore. Wow, you know.
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: So you know, so be it, you know, you know,
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: and it's understandable. A lot a lot of people do
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: not do not possess the mental capacity, you know, to
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: actually be out in the woods and and and dealing
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: with a lot of what we deal with. You know,
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: I've seen it happen over and over people. You know,
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: I've brought I've taken a couple of people out. I
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: took one guy out that you know, all he did is,
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: you know, god for breakfast, he drank a thirty pack,
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: you know, and yeah, it was like you know, I, yeah,
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: I've got to vet these people a little better.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: And yeah, and you know, so I kah take can
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: people out that you know just.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Could not.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: You know, so mental capacity, you know, your your ability
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: to cope with stuff. I mean, how you've you've seen
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: it in the military. There's people who can handle things,
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: and there's people who can't. And the people who can't,
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: you know, they're fine to sit on their couch, They're fine, you.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Know, to do all that stuff. What we're out doing
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: is not for everybody.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: Are there times out there that you know, I get
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: freaked out, absolutely, but it's not out of fear of
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: you know, harm to myself or anything like that. It's
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like, what the hell was that?
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, yeah, you have.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: There's made for everybody and and you know, so it's
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: very understandable that few people believe.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: You had some audio that you wanted to run again,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: you had some audio that you wanted to run by
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: the show people, a little bit of audio that you had.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Ray, I can't get to all your questions, but.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: Uh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry that this connection. I
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: felt like Kramer in Mexico, you know, I had to
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: throw jab at him. But no, so in in twenty eighteen.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: And in twenty eighteen, I excited that I was going
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: to you know, step up my level of you know,
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: showing them that I trust them. So I was sleep
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: outside on my cot instead of in my tent, but
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: I had the audio.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: Recorder out and what I recorded.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: Okay, at the time, I had a little metal tray
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: or stool that I used as a as a table,
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: and I had my audio recorder sitting on that and
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: I always did the same thing over and over and over,
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: you know, repetition, And this particular night, I had left
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: something out on the table that was metal, hint hint, paint, waint,
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: and that I've never left out before, and it was
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: just a slip of the mind. And so I'm going
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: through the audio. The next morning, I uploaded it in
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: the computer and I was like, what the hell? And
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: you know, so what I thought it was at first
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: was Junior picked that piece of metal up off of
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: the table and Daddy said put that down, and then
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: you hear it get put back down a metallic click.
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: And that's what I thought it was at first. And
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: I'll go ahead and play it a couple of times.
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: Now we've got to do everybody please forgive me. This
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: is called ast Arizona squats technology. But I'll play it,
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: uh three or four times and I'll bring the mic
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: back to.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Myself, so bear with me. That's the wrong I hold
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: on it. I knew that was gonna happened. Mhm h.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: WHOA what did that come through? Yeah? It sounded like
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: they were talking. Do you hear me? Yeah?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: So yeah, so what he's saying and I don't know
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: what it translates to, but it's hicck to sue and
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: then sound that metallic sound, you know. So that that's
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: why I had thought that what I was dealing with
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: was Junior had picked that up off of the table
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: and Daddy said, put that down. And but what I've
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: learned since then, with all the different audio that I've recorded,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: was like some of the tribes in Africa that click
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: and pop when they talk, they do the same exact
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: thing a lot of times when they talk.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: So I'll bring I'll bring this one up.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: I call it Pennsylvania because it sounds like they're saying Pennsylvania,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: but I have no idea what it as they're saying.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: But you'll hear the clicking and popping along with.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: Whatever it is, they're saying. So let me go back
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: to my Arizona squash technology here. Okay, ok wow, So
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: were you able to hear that? Okay, yes, I was.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: It was very it was it does I mean if
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: you put that Pennsylvania in your mind beforehand, uh, like EVP,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: you can probably hear that. But it could be a
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: number of things. But it's like, as they're saying, something
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: that's solid is like clicks and pops in there as well.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Very very weird. Mhm uh asked your extra she he
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: or she asked a question earlier. Why is it that
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: it's so difficult to get like photo photo evidence of them.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: It's easier, it seems to get audio. Why why the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: photo is so difficult in your estimation?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: Okay, what my experience is. And one of the things
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: that you know.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: They do not like cameras. They they know what cameras are.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: You know, they're not some dumb ape running around the forest,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: you know, going oh, you know, they're very intelligent. They
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: know what cameras are. They don't like them. They don't
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: you know, they don't want their pictures taken. Once in
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: a while, you know, they'll do something, but a lot
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: of the time I've got I've got a photograph that
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: you know that they're in. That's that's pretty rock solid.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: I couldn't see but camera picked them up, and you know,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: and and knowing that you know they have this you know,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: what I want to say is when they're in their
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: natural state, we really can't see them. It has something
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: to do with vibrational frequencies. That's the only reason we
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: see anything. The way the rods and cones in our
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: eyes work and pick up light, and you know, so
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: we're able to see things because of vibrations and frequencies.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: And right, it's just a hypothesis. Was a very expensive
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: word for us. Wild ass different frequency than we do.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: And but it's a it's at a state where cameras
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: can pick them up, Dogs can see them, horse, you know,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: animals can see them.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: But the way our eyes are, we can't see them.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: So when you know, all of a sudden, one walks,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: you know, just appears out of and starts walking by,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: it's my.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Guess that they're doing that intentionally.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: You know that they're either speeding up or slowing down
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: their vibrational frequencies so that they can.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: Be seen kind of like a here I am, you know,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: because it's actual. The Indians say, you'll only see the
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: hairy man when he let you you know, so.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Right right, that's what I was picking. That's what I
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: was kind of gleaning from that. It's like they kind
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: of they kind of like, let you know if they
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: want to. And I'd imagine that they have some type
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: of intuition as who you are as a person and
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: what your intentions are.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they can read you like a cheap book
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: very easily, you know.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: And now as far as the audio, you know, they
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: never seem to have an issue with me leaving the
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: audio out.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: I did this for for.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: Six six and a half years, thousands and thousands and thousands.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Of hours of audio, you know.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm I'm fourteen thousand hours out in the field.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: So you figure every night anywhere from eight to ten hours,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: the audio is running every single night. There's a lot
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: of audio I haven't even been through. But I got
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: told it was two years ago, stop using the audio,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: and so I was like, okay, And then the next
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: year I took the audio out and set it up.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: I've got the file on my audio recorder. I can
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: see it on my audio recorder, but whatever computer I
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: plug it into the computer won't see it.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Wow, So so I don't run audio anymore.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: So they just kind of shut that down or changed
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: the frequency in which now, okay, you can record us,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: but we don't want you to, so therefore you're not
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: going to here. Okay, I definitely want to get to
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: this part. The last time you were on you told
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: us told the Today about the experience you had. It
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: was three of you and something happened on the side
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: of the road. One of you, d Wayne stepped forward
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: and from your vantage point, you couldn't see him anymore.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Could you go into that one more time for him?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Because that and you said there was more that was
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: you know, insane and crazy. But I want to get
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: back because that's the one that really struck me.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And if you go to our YouTube channel, we
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: just recently, like three or four videos back. We just
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: recently revisited that because we were at Squatch Camp and decided,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: you know, this was two years ago, let's make a
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: video about it so we can document on site exactly
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: what had happened. And so you know, it's a dark night, Yeah,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: and you know, venture around and walked out to the
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: road and Wayne and I were looking one direction, Chris
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: was looking the other direction. And about the time Chris
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: was getting ready to turn around, Wayne looks.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: At me goes, did you see that? And I go, oh, yeah,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: I saw that.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: You know, we both described what we saw, you know,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: about sixty yards down or so, a rather large individual
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: across the road. The only reason we could see him
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: is because of the skyline back behind him, you know,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: so it kind of highlighted him a little bit. Yeah,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: so I was like, let's walk, you know. So we
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: we decided we're going to walk down there. So we
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: got about where we thought it was and you know,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: just nothing going on, and we decided, well, let's walk
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: a little farther. And I think we took about ten
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: steps and something caught my attention off to the side
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: of me, and I stopped and I.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: Looked to the right and it's just like.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: The fourth of July, you know, just twinkle, light, sparkle, static.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: And just it was just absolutely nuts.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: And so we're all sitting there looking at it, and
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: you know, and so we go to the edge of
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: the road.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: I'm in the middle, Wayne's.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: To my left, Chris is to my right, you know,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: and we're standing side by side.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: You know, because it's you know, it's dark.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: And Wayne looks down at his feet and goes, I
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: got these little lights all around my feet and you know,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: so we're looking at that, and he goes, I'm gonna
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: walk out there, and he took about two steps to
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: maybe free and I was like, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, are
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: you are you all right? He goes, I'm fine. Why
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: you disappeared? I can't see you now. I could see
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: what was on the other side of him where he
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: was at, but he was gone. And Chris, who's right
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: here on my right, you know, he's I see him,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: just fine, What are you talking about?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: You?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: So I leaned over to you know, get Chris's vantage
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: point and I could see him and I come back
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: over and it's like came back over. Its like he vanished,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: and so you know, Chris wasn't happy about it, but
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: I grabbed him. Look and he's like, oh shit, he's gone,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: you know, and you know, are you feeling okay?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Wayne?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: And you know, Wayne's like, yeah, I'm fine, you know,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: I I I'm right here, and you know, so he
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: stepped back out and we're you know, We're like, what.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: The yeah, yeah, what what just happened?
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: And and and you know, uh, it was one of
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: those moments that was just absolutely like what the hell?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: And uh, you know, so and so, uh, I'll segue
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: into this the last time we were at Squatch camp
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: a few weeks back, you know, when.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: We redid this video and that, so.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: We're kind of trying to recreate and maybe you know,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know. We walked out to the road and
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: you know, it's dark. You know, it's a little two
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: track road, but we walk out there and and we
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: walk up towards uh, you know, where this disappearing act happened,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: and there's just nothing going on. And so we're walking
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: back to the camp and you know, we all decide, well,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: we're going to walk farther down the road. You know,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: we all kind of felt the same way at the
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: same time, and and you know, so we start walking
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: down the road, you know, and this night we're out,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: it's close to a full moon, so it's very bright
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: out and we get to this spot.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: You know, we're in the shadow. The best way to
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: describe it. We're in the shadow because the moonlight.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: Is being walked by the trees, but there's this area
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: that's lit up, and we get right to the edge
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: of that and I stop and I kind of look
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: to the left, and all three of us at the
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: same time are like, oh shit, you guys, you're seeing
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: that right. Well, there was an individual right on the
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: other side of where the light was, where the shades started,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: on the other side of this lit up area, and
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it's probably eight foot tall, you know,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: turn seven, eight foot tall, just standing behind this other tree,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: but blatantly obvious.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, we're looking at this guy.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: I don't know, probably probably a couple of minutes goes by.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: Wayne changes his vantage point to get, you know, to
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: get a different view of him. And about the time
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: Wayne did that, he darted. He went from right to
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: left across the you know, the area that was lit up,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: and I mean it was it was just a blur
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: as fast as he went. But Chris and I both
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: watched him too, you know, to the left where like
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: what the hell, you.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: Know, and.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: Just a lot of cool stuff happens up at Swatch Camp.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: It's it's it's my favorite place. That's where it all guarded.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: For me, and you just kind of this, this, this
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: this Sasquatch camp. You'd kind of just stumbled upon this
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: one day while being out there, like it's just a
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: place that just happened, or like, how did you discover
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: this area?
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: Well, it's it's where it all started for me. I
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: mean not all started, but it's when I really dove
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: head first and into it. It was a family camp
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: out and and uh it was kind of a new
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: area that that we decided to camp in from where
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: we used to camp and my son and I, you know,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: from watching Not Finding Bigfoot or whatever that show was called.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: I don't recall, but we go out and bang on
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: trees and looking for footprints. You know, I'm just you know,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: the typical aper type thing. You know, I had no idea,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: and we'd finally found footprints and got whistled at, and
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: you know, just a bunch of stuff that happened. So
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: I kept going back and kept going back, and kept
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: going back and kept going back and kept going back,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: and you know, so.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: That's where it all developed.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: And you know, and the interesting part about that is
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: I was telling you my first experience, and the boy
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: Scouts literally happened three miles as the crow flies away
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: from that spot and later on found out the incident
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: I had in the boy Scouts was Indy. You know,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: this individual that passed away at at two hundred and
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: twenty six years old.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Tell me, tell me more about Indy. Tell me more
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: about Indie. But what do you know about? What do
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: you what can you tell us about Indy that would
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: be like informative so that when people start to get
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: like a little bit more of a picture of this
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: individual that you had, that you had this relationship with.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: He was a big guy.
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  Speaker 4: Now he he was one of the senior elders. He
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: is a member of the gang, which is kind of
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: like a The best way I can describe what the
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: gang is is like the senior elder spiritual.
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  Speaker 3: You know, take the president or a governor of.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: A state and.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: Bishop, you know, maybe an attorney and you know, and
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: you just take all that you kind of wad it
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: up into into one ball and and that's the you know,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: the best I can understand of you know, what what
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: the members of the gang are. You know, so when
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: when an individual is part of the gang, and I
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: don't know if it is a bloodline entitlement or or
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: how it works, but once once an individual is a
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: member of the gang, it'll be that individual's name with
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: the suffix behind it. So like the one I called
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: Indy his name his name, his name was Aiden and
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: because he was a member of the Gan, his name
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: was I Aiden Gone and his mate was I Aiden Gin. Yeah,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: you know, so there there was a male and female
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: suffex that went with that, and you know, and and
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: and you know, it took years to you know, to
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: understand this, you know, because when they give you information,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: it's not like you get all of this at once.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: They give you little bits and pieces, and you know,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: you got to start putting the puzzle together. You know,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: you put one brick on the ground, you got a brick,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: You put a thousand of them on the ground, and
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: now you got a wall, you know, and it's kind
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: of like that.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: And you know, so I I understood the you know that.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: There had to be been a male and female suffex
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: to what that was about the uh you know, Iiden
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: gone and Aiden again. Well, the mate carries over, you know,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: the female carries over the male's name, so Aiden gone
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: and her name is something completely different, but that's what
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: her title is. And you know, so what it ended
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: up so what it ended up happening was in the
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: Payson Museum, uh in Payson, Arizona, which is basically home
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: of the Mogion Monster. We Uh, one of the guys
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: that we used to go out with, you know, would
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: would work there volunteer, and he'd found something. So we
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: ended up going over and looking at it. And the
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: Apache Indian you know, uh refer to these spiritual beings
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: as the Gan. And you know, I'd read an article
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: uh before this about how the Apache Indian San Carlos
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: Reservation was fighting the Vatican when they were trying to
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: put when they were putting their big observatory up on
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: top of Mount Graham, and they did and wanted up
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: there because that's where the Gang live, you know, and
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: the Apache have what's called the Gan Dance, and you know,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: and the gang lived on and I want to say
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: it was five mountains, maybe four, but there was five
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: distinct mountains that the gang lived on. And you know,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: and then throw you know that have this backtrack into
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: you know, the names that I had got back in
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: twenty seventeen, how it all correlated and tied into this
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: information that we got, you know, so you know, it's
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: it's not one of these things.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: I guess that's what's going on.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: And you know, and I you know, and you know.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: Trying trying to make up a story and you know,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: and having it develop and I end all these places.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: You know, you couldn't make this up if you tried.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: And you know, the way that all just tying together
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: was pretty incredible. Well, Rob and I we were out
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: at place we call crazy Town. That's where we go
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: when when it's too cold to go up on the rim.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: It's like fifty five foot elevation. You know, it still
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: gets cold there, but you know it's it's not buried
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: in snow all winter long like the Mogion Rim is,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: you know. So we'll we'll finish our season out there
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: and then we start the season out there. Rob and
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: I were out there and it was actually getting a
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: little communication from another one whose name is Terra Gone
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: and his mate is Taradin. You know, so a lot
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: of you know, different location, but here we are with
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: this with with the with these gone again suffexes of
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: the male and female that are members of the gang,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: and you know, we're we're just sitting there going this
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: is absolutely incredible. How you know, how does all this work,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: you know, and asking them questions and and when Rob
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: and I were out there, it was you know, that's
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: how it was revealed, is that you know, it's it's
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: in the top echelon of the hierarchy. Is who the
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: gan is, you know, how it works. I don't know
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: that they're not real clear about it. If they were,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: you know, it's something I missed. But it's an absolute
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: I don't even know the word to describe it. But
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: when stuff like that starts coming together and it's like wow,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: holy shit, yeah.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: Well okay, uh, this is this is a woman, This
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: just this woman. She is the last of her kind,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: this lady, the Northwest Native tracker. I hope to have
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: her on one day once we figure out the you know,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: you know, the the technology of the things she had.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: She's one of the she says, she's the last of
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: her kind. She's an Oregon seven months. It's supposed to
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: been a year where they she goes out into the
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: woods and she has an incredible amount of knowledge that
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: I hope one day she gets to come on and
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: share with us. And she was saying that again is
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: the same ancient suffects of a Mongolian of the Mongolian.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: She knows. I spoke with Kevin for maybe twenty minutes
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: on the phone. Somehow we got to figure it out
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: that I can speak with her and the stuff that
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: she's going to have. I can't wait to maybe even
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: get you guys connected together, because she is, you know,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: a Native American and she knows that. She was actually
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: asking where you got the suffects from, and you said
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: you got it from the I think you said the
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: Apache if I if, I hope I got that correctly.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: And it's just this this, all these things are out.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, please, Yeah, the the suffects of again and gone
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: that was given specifically to me from Indy, you know.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: And I'll readdress this real quick. Sure, twenty seventeen, I'm
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: brand new. I have no idea what I'm doing. I
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: go down into what I call Squatch Valley. I'm looking
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: for structures print. It's going that way out across a
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: large black mountain, rattlesnake. I'm having this weird conversation in
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: my head about eating him for dinner and not you know,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: what gives me the right to take his life?
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: So all this was going on, and the snake crawls away.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: I put the video on the snake as soon as
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: I turned my phone off, you know, hit the stop
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: on the record on my phone. About thirty feet away
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: from me. In front of me was this powerful.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: Why you what?
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: And you know, so this it all happened.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: And as I'm leaving the area, you know, kind of terrified,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: but you know, holding it together. I'm I have my
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: name is Kevin? Do you have a name? I have
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: a mate? Do you have a mate? I have offspring?
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: Do you have offspring? And I was doing that more
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: to to comfort myself, but also, you know, maybe if
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: he understands what I'm saying, if he kills me, there's
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: going to be an army up on the mountain, you know,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: fully armed looking to you know, freak cavic.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: You know, so this one on.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: As I went back to camp that night, I have
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: this dream vision I call it, I call it a visitation.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: He had come up to me, not speaking, and he says,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: I am Aidan and this is my mate. And you know,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: so that's the reader digest version of that. But you know,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: so that's where I got the gone and in from
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: was from him, and and I remember I woke up
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: and I was going, what the hell was that all about?
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: And it's like and it took me a while. It
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: was probably three weeks that, you know, he would reiterate
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: his name to me. But the way he said it
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: and the way I'm saying it is like, you know,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: me trying to speak Navajo.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: You know, I can't speak now, you know, So so.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: When I say the way he bounced it, you know,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: you got the clicks and pops in it that I
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: can't do. So I just started calling him Indy, and
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: you know, and and so over a period of time,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: you know, he reiterated over and over and over that
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: it's Aidenne and but I just called him Indy. And
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: you know, like you know, if your name's Richard, you
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: know I might call you rich you know, or you
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: know something like that. Yeah, and you know, so I
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: just called him Indy.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: What you called you called a rich?
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't call it rich Her name was Sarah, Sarah,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: and I couldn't remember it, so I just call her
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: Sarah so I can remember it. You know. That's kind
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: of a little, a little thing that we do. It's
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: completely normal. I just got a mention on the side
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of new members on the show. Thank
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: you guys so very much for your sharing information on
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: the side connected with channels, Uh, talking to other people.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: We got Kevin on here, please go with chart Kevin's
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: information we have. There is a bunch of new people.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen you guys before. Welcome to the channel,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. I appreciate your looking at this
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: vera as I've never I don't know on real real stage.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: You got a picture of a dog man going on
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: over there? Hi, Howidy? How's it going? This is incredible,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: Like I started off with four and now we're at
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: currently at nineteen people. This is incredible. Uh, Kevin, so
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: what are the plans going forward? My friend? Yeah, it
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: is beautiful. List't man. This is what we're here to do.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: We're here to share information. You're you're putting in pieces
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: of the puzzle the way you see them, with the
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: best intentions, and that's super important. And you know a
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: lot not everyone has all the answers, which is important,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: which is what I'm also trying to to foster here.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like you know, open discussion, open dialogue. Uh,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: trying to you know, to squash that ego. You know this,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: you know that that's not what we're here to do.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: And I just want to know what's what's what's going
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: uh excuse me? What is it?
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: Look?
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: What is it looking like going forward with you in
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: your in your and your team or friends or your group,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: going uh into the future. Excuse me, I'm stumbling over
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: my words.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: Hey, that's all right. You know.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: For first off, you know you can call us the
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: team and call us the group and all that.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: We're brothers.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we love each other.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: We we enjoy spending our time together. You know, we
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: dig on each other all the time. There's a lot
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: of grief that goes back and forth. But uh, you
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: know it's it's a beautiful thing. The camaraderie that we
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: share is unmatched.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: What we're looking to do is just you know, bring
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: some of this to the light, for for me, myself,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: for Kevin.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: You know, I want I want to engage, engage people
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: to get.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: Them to think, you know, to you know, let go
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: of all this dogma. You know that that so many
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: people seem to have, you know, and and I'll give
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: you a prime example of it in the Bigfoot world.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: When you hear that whack. We call it a wouldnt
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: you know they're they're banging on the side of the tree.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't for one instant believe that that's
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: what's going on, just because of the experiences I've had.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: I eat my son and I we hear a knock.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: It takes us fifteen to twenty minutes to find a
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: branch on the ground that's not rotten, you know, that's
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: solid enough that we can do a return knock and
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: get a good sound out of. And we do that
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: and immediately get a knock back. We do again, we
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: get a double knockback. We're excided, We're like, oh, we're
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: getting knocked Well, the key point is it took us
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: fifteen minutes or so to find in the middle of
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: the forest a stick on the ground that was sturdy enough,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: big enough to be able to create that wood knock sound.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: It sounds like a wood knock, you know.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: It sounds like somebody hitting the side of a tree
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: with the Louisville slugger. I agree with that, it does,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: and I understand that that's kind of why the term
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: tree knock came out.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: But you know, when you have.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: You know when you're out in the field for three
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: weeks and you've got nothing to talk to except for
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: the birds and the squirrels. You start thinking about all
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: this stuff, and you know, I'm not some bolts kind
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: of guy. You know, it took me a long time
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: to find a stick. Well, they're not walking around carrying
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: billy clubs, and you know, so it has to be
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: something else, you know, So breaking away from traditional thinking,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: which I've always done my entire life. I'm always you know,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: Christopher Columbus discovered America. I got a question, weren't they're
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: Indians here for you know? You know, so I'm always
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: you know, questioning. I'm always, you know, trying to figure
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: things out. And the best I can come up with. Okay,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: they're big, they're strong, They've got big, strong hands. I
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: can do that out in the middle of the forest
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: at night. Yeah. And the guys will tell you, you know,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: there once in a while, I get a really good
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: clap and it sounds like, you know, somebody knocking on
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: a tree. Right, you take somebody who who's I'll just
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: take an average one eight foot tall that weighs a
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: thousand pounds, and you know it has the strength to
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: pull a tree out of the ground and they do that.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: Guess what you're gonna get is that what they're doing.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but especially if you cut your hair,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: makes a lot more sense if you cup them, you know,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: than them.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: Walking around the forest.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, you know, walking around the forest with
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: a billy club waiting to hit a tree or waiting
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: for somebody else to hit a tree.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: So you can it just it didn't resonate and it
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: didn't make sense to me.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: That's cool. So you basically just want people to think
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: for themselves. Try to instead it because you know, these
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: paradigms kind of fall in. You know, it's fush and blood,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: it's this, it's that, it's a tree knock, it's a
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: gifting stump to like, okay, we know this. Okay, now
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: take that out of your paradigm and then try to
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: look at it again with fresh eyes and and and
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: and see it for what it is, maybe differently than
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: what you've been told. I think that's amazing. I think
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: what you guys are doing out there is incredible. I'm
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: so grateful that you guys come forward. Uh, Chris, you
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: and the other two gentlemen, you know, whatever that's on
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: them that's their choice, and I really appreciate that you
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: came on today and shared some of this stuff with
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: this my friend happy to be here, all right, So
• 1:31:36
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• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: one more time. Kevin than thank you so very much
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: for coming on and sharing us, uh, your time, your wisdom,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: your your your your wonderful personality and and everything included,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: my friend, thank.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: You well, thank you for having me, right guys, Yeah,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: have you have you guys.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: We'll be in contact, I'm sure of my friend. So guys,
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• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: y'all and you have a wonderful weekend, guys.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: Mhm hm.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: To conscious
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  Speaker 2: S