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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Welcome, and and and I hope everybody's
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Speaker 1: having a great beginning of your weekend. So and and
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Speaker 1: thank you for joining me. All right, let's uh, let's
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Speaker 1: take a look. Yes, So today I wanted to talk
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Speaker 1: about a piece that I that I discovered yesterday. It
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Speaker 1: was published yesterday in Quinlette. Quinnlette is kind of a
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Speaker 1: way to sander, a magazine published I think Australians, but
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Speaker 1: it's online so it doesn't really matter where it comes
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Speaker 1: from anyways. Published yesterday that by John Aziz, John Azi's
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Speaker 1: and the title of the piece is the destructivests, the destructivists,
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Speaker 1: Wokeism turns the system destruction. So it's it's a piece
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Speaker 1: it's trying to explain kind of what's new with Walkism,
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Speaker 1: how does wacism evolve? What what what is happening with
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Speaker 1: wakism right now? And generally I think it's trying to
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Speaker 1: explain American political culture, both on the left and on
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Speaker 1: the right. And we'll get into that. And I think
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Speaker 1: it's a it's an honest attempt, it's a it's a
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Speaker 1: straightforward attempt to do that. I also think it's missing
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Speaker 1: out and a lot. It gets a lot right, but
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Speaker 1: it's fall short in a fall short quite a bit
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Speaker 1: on what you'd expected a fall short, and that is
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Speaker 1: on the philosophy. So the piece is building on something
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Speaker 1: Tyler Cowen, h the economist, and Richard Hannania the public
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Speaker 1: intellectual have written. I mean Cowen's thesis, which he published
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Speaker 1: around twenty twenty two, was that walkism had peaked, remember
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Speaker 1: peak wokeism. I think at the time I agreed with him,
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Speaker 1: and uh, you know he talked about it in the now.
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Speaker 1: You know, he talked about in the fact that look,
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Speaker 1: di I is in retreat. Universities have gotten more cautious
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Speaker 1: pronoun mandate pronoun mandates are going away from federal agencies particularly,
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Speaker 1: you know, since since Trump, corporate equity reports over the
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Speaker 1: last few and a half two years have mostly been
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Speaker 1: quietly shelved. Esg is you know, less of an issue generally,
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Speaker 1: the outer signs of wocism kind of the way wocism
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Speaker 1: expressed itself at its peak, you know, things like land
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Speaker 1: acknowledgments and cancellations and mandatory trainings. A lot of that
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Speaker 1: has lost momentum. A lot of that has actually gone.
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Speaker 1: It's not gone completely. It's still there under the surface
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Speaker 1: and in some cases change his name, but the.
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Speaker 3: Energy behind it has gone.
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Speaker 1: And even just if you follow some leftist accounts, it's
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Speaker 1: not what they're talking about right now. Now kind has
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Speaker 1: revised that, has come back and revised that and says,
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Speaker 1: you know, he's worried that the energy, well, it disappeared
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Speaker 1: from that focus. It didn't go away. He's argued that
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Speaker 1: the success are to wocism. And this he's done recently
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Speaker 1: isn't you know, even socialism right sorry, He's he's argued
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Speaker 1: that it's really changed it's become much more focused on socialism.
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Speaker 1: Hananya puts it this way, right quote, I would much
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Speaker 1: rather have to remember lots of weird pronouns than see
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Speaker 1: the economy destroyed by socialism. So he's ranking the harms,
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Speaker 1: I guess, and you could argue whether that's right or not.
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Speaker 1: But the idea is the energy behind wocism has gone
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Speaker 1: into an energy advocate for socialism. And you can suddenly
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Speaker 1: see a lot of kind of advocacy, at least explicitly
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Speaker 1: for socialism. But as he is, you know who I
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Speaker 1: think is right on. This goes a little further. He says,
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Speaker 1: what's really replacing wocism isn't even socialism. Socialism at least
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Speaker 1: had a program. Socialism at least believes in building stuff. Right,
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Speaker 1: if you go back to Marxism, Marxism believes in progress.
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Speaker 1: Socialists want to own factories, the means of production. They
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Speaker 1: want to produce, they wanted to plant, they want to
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Speaker 1: es centrally plan it, and we know what the outcome is.
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Speaker 1: But there's a vision. It's a wrong vision. It is
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Speaker 1: catastrophic vision. It's a hubbable vision. But there's a vision.
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Speaker 1: But what woke is morphed into is not a vision
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Speaker 1: of a socialist world of owning the means of production,
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Speaker 1: building and you know, even in the name of equality,
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Speaker 1: but building something. No, but Wokism has evolved into. Is
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Speaker 1: this idea that Asjesu is calling destructivism destructivism again, I
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Speaker 1: don't think of real world, but anyway, real concept.
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Speaker 3: We'll talk about what I think is really it means, that.
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Speaker 1: Is the conviction that the most necessary and virtuous act
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Speaker 1: right now is demolishing the system. Demolishing the system that
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Speaker 1: Wochism has told you forever is oppressive.
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Speaker 3: You don't want to tinkerate it.
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Speaker 1: You don't want to build, you don't want to grow,
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Speaker 1: you want to destroy. So what, as he says, identifying
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Speaker 1: is if you will to put it. I think in
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Speaker 1: more objective terms, what is identify inga seeing is the
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Speaker 1: morphing of Wokism into a more explicit form of nihilism.
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Speaker 1: And I think it was always nihilistic. We'll talk about that,
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Speaker 1: but now into a much more explicit So hate, hate
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Speaker 1: the billionaires, stop them take their stuff, not for some
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Speaker 1: uh you know, socialist utopia, but in the name of
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Speaker 1: hating on the rich, in the name of as we'll see, envy.
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Speaker 1: So he's identified something. He's identified something important, the explicit nihilism,
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Speaker 1: and he's described in it. I say, which I encourage
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Speaker 1: you to read. I think it's good. It's in the
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Speaker 1: quid Lette. I think you need a subscription. I'm not sure,
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Speaker 1: but you can. You can check it out. It's again
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Speaker 1: published yesterday. Quin Let is a is a good journal.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot interesting and as he's you know, is
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Speaker 1: an interesting writer and and and write stuff. So it's
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Speaker 1: it's it's worth talking. It's worth Uh, it's it's worth subscribing. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Thomas says. You know. One of the expressions of this
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Speaker 1: is take for the billions, for the journey is he says,
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Speaker 1: calling them all the Epstein class, right, the producers of
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Speaker 1: the Epstein class. It's it's to destroy, it's not to build.
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Speaker 1: There's no building up. So, you know, I think what
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Speaker 1: he's done is important. Right, he's identified something important, he's
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Speaker 1: described the symptoms. But what he can do, and what
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Speaker 1: he hasn't done, is explain where destruct divism comes from,
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Speaker 1: because then you'd have to explain where wocism comes from.
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Speaker 1: Now he does. He talks about wocism in the sense
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Speaker 1: of its institutional foundations at the universities and what they teach.
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Speaker 1: But where did that come from? How did that whether,
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Speaker 1: what are the philosophical origins and why does it work?
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Speaker 1: What makes wocism appealingly intellectually to so many and particularly
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Speaker 1: to the intellectual class. And then what necessitates I would
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Speaker 1: argue wocism becoming more and more and more explicitly nihilistic,
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Speaker 1: which is what it has. And crucially, I think if
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Speaker 1: you go beyond wocism, if you go beyond the left,
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Speaker 1: why is exactly the same pathology nihilism? Really this destructivism,
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Speaker 1: the wanting to destroy? Why is the same pathology running
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Speaker 1: through that runs through the left, the woke what used
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Speaker 1: to be the woke left, which is now just the left.
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Speaker 1: Why is that same destructionism destructivism in the new right?
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Speaker 1: It really now is dominating so much of our politics.
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Speaker 1: I mean, why is you know, hatred and wanting to
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Speaker 1: take down and wanting to pull down and wanting to destroy,
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Speaker 1: wanting to destruct. Why is that a common theme in
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Speaker 1: our politics? So I think if we feel do you
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Speaker 1: think about this? You know it's all grounded in the
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Speaker 1: same philosophy. The fundamental motivation for these ideas, the fundamental
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Speaker 1: motivation for wocism and for and for uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: then you left and as well as then you right.
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Speaker 1: It is ultimately a combination of altruism and the rejection
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Speaker 1: of reason, manifesting themselves an envy.
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Speaker 3: A nihilism.
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Speaker 1: So let's let's talk about that. Let's break that down.
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Speaker 1: Let's break that down in terms of how it affects,
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Speaker 1: and let's start with Uh, let's start with altruism, because
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Speaker 1: altruism is so obvious, uh, particularly across kind of what
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Speaker 1: was woke? What's the old premise that underlies wocism? And
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Speaker 1: rememberable wocism is what the new Left was. It was
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Speaker 1: this idea of identity politics, cancel culture. But really underlying
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Speaker 1: it was this idea that of the oppressed, undppressed, and
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Speaker 1: the oppressed were by definition the good guys and the
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Speaker 1: oppressed soul the oppressor, you know, bad guys bye bye,
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Speaker 1: just by the name, right. The oppressed by definition were
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Speaker 1: the unsuccessful, were the poor, were the were people who
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Speaker 1: who have not done well. The oppressed soul, by definition
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Speaker 1: were the successful in any particular realm in life. So
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Speaker 1: the successful we're evil, The successful oppressors the unsuccessful with
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Speaker 1: the good and what the demand was I mean, the
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Speaker 1: demand of the entire Wolke project is and as you
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Speaker 1: as we'll see, the entire project the New Left is
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Speaker 1: the sacrifice of the successful to the unsuccessful, the sacrifice.
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Speaker 3: Of the good to the.
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Speaker 1: Not so good, or to the downright evil in some
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Speaker 1: cases the downright evil, and more than really even focusing
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Speaker 1: on who the target of the sacrifice should be. Wolke
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Speaker 1: spends a lot of time, as does the entire New
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Speaker 1: Left program, prograd on identifying who should be the sacrificers.
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Speaker 1: Right now, it's that trillionaire and those billionaires. It's Israel,
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Speaker 1: it's America, the United States more briendly, it's Western civilization,
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Speaker 1: anybody associated with Western civilization, so they know who the
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Speaker 1: sacrifice is should be. One second, and that's altruism. I
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Speaker 1: mean altruism, as you know many of you know anyway,
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Speaker 1: is not being nice to people. It's not about benevolence.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, benevolence is fine, but that's not
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Speaker 1: what the doctrine actually advocates for. The Doctrine is a
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Speaker 1: doctor and of individual sacrifice. It holds that the individual's
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Speaker 1: life does not belong to himself, it belongs to the other,
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Speaker 1: the group, the collective fundamentally and in the context of particularly,
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Speaker 1: then you left and woke to the suffering, to the oppressed,
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Speaker 1: to those.
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Speaker 3: Who have not.
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Speaker 1: Your life is not yours to live for your happiness.
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Speaker 1: Your life is to be sacrificed for the cause fill
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Speaker 1: in the blank of the cause. That is the essence
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Speaker 1: of altruism. Your malworth is measured by how much you sacrifice,
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Speaker 1: and it's not clear there is enough ever. Think about
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Speaker 1: the ultimate sacrifice Jesus on the cross pretty brutal. So
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Speaker 1: you know, you know, Marxism wants you to sacrifice for
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Speaker 1: the politarian. The tribe wants you to sacrifice for the tribe.
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Speaker 1: Nationalism for for the state, identity politics, sacrifice for your race.
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Speaker 1: Autruism is about, you know, group identity by almost by definition,
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Speaker 1: because there's somebody. I mean, it could be it could
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Speaker 1: be religious, you could be sacrificing for God. But once
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Speaker 1: you bring it down to earthly sacrifices, who you're sacrificing
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Speaker 1: to some group, it's almost never an individual. And this
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Speaker 1: is why identity politics is a wise ess out of this.
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Speaker 1: So for for autism, what matters is the group, and
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Speaker 1: what matters is the relative success of failure the relative
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Speaker 1: suffering or success of the group. Us an individual don't
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Speaker 1: matter suddenly, not if you're an individual of thisuccessful group.
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Speaker 1: And of course, as a consequence of that, altruism is
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Speaker 1: constantly focused on what on sacrifice. Now you know, as
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Speaker 1: a consequence, what is it not focused on. It's not
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Speaker 1: focused on production, it's not focused on building, it's not
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Speaker 1: focused on creation. The reality is production, building creation. Those
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Speaker 1: are primarily, you know, virtues of somebody focused on their
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Speaker 1: own life, somebody trying to fulfill something for themselves. Sacrifice
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Speaker 1: is about destroying your own values. It's not about building.
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Speaker 1: Sacrifice the vows it doesn't create. And this is why
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Speaker 1: socialism always fails, because it's built in a system of
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Speaker 1: devouring stuff, not building stuff. I mean, altoism can be
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Speaker 1: used to be distributed, to take, but it can't be
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Speaker 1: used to organize for production. It's all about taking what
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Speaker 1: is being produced. It's all about, in that sense, destroying.
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Speaker 1: So it's not surprising that a woke ideology built on
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Speaker 1: altruism can only go towards destruction, can only go towards nihilism,
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Speaker 1: to the destruction of values. Values are individual. Values are
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Speaker 1: things that individual pursue to make their lives, you know,
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Speaker 1: in one way or the other better, or at least
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Speaker 1: that is the intent, whether they've thought them out completely unknown.
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Speaker 1: The intense is I want that right because I think
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Speaker 1: it will make my life better. Altruism says, you can't
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Speaker 1: do that if you think that's going to make your
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Speaker 1: life better, shun it and turn towards making somebody else's
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Speaker 1: life better. So destructiveness or destructivism as he's uses it,
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Speaker 1: he views it as a mutation of wocism is the
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Speaker 1: next step, you know, as a mutation of it, not
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Speaker 1: as a next step, but not as an inevitable next step.
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Speaker 1: But it's really it's really a logical conclude.
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Speaker 3: It really is the next step.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you can redistribute and redistribute, but all redistribution
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Speaker 1: is is a destruction.
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Speaker 3: I mean.
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Speaker 1: Altruism necessitates that. I mean I sacrifice for you, You sacrifice.
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Speaker 1: In the mexticuy, they sacrifice an end. I mean where
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Speaker 1: does it end? And who is the beneficiary and who
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Speaker 1: is better off? And nobody can be better off because
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Speaker 1: as soon as they are, they have to sacrifice. And
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Speaker 1: the producer is by definition and exploiter is by definition
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Speaker 1: of success. Say, he must sacrifice, and he must be oppressed,
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Speaker 1: So it necessitates the altruism, the logic of woke, the
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Speaker 1: logic of oppressor, oppressed of intersectionality is the destruction of
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Speaker 1: anything good around us. It's the destruction of production. It's
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Speaker 1: a destruction of the good. It's a destruction of success,
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Speaker 1: it's a destruction of progress. Think about the de growth economists.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the degrowth economists didn't come out of nowhere.
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Speaker 1: They've come out of what's the next thing that altruism
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Speaker 1: can can advocate for. You know, we've done socialism, didn't
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Speaker 1: quite work, and people don't really like socialism. We tried environmentalism.
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Speaker 1: We try to scare them, but Jesus out of them
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Speaker 1: so they would sacrifice for the planet. Most people don't
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Speaker 1: want to sacrifice the planet. They like their automobiles, they
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Speaker 1: like their jet travel around the world. They don't want
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Speaker 1: to sacrifice so the planet. We tried to get them
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Speaker 1: to sacrifice that. The next group now we just need
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Speaker 1: to get them to sacrifice for the sake of sacrifice.
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Speaker 1: We just need to stop growing. We're back sacrificed for
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Speaker 1: the poor and for the planet, and you know, for
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Speaker 1: their racial groups and for everything all at once we
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Speaker 1: need to stop going and just massively redistribute whatever we have.
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Speaker 1: So they've embraced the destruction of production. They embraced their
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Speaker 1: own nihilism. And this is why if you look at
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Speaker 1: all of these new left right, they march for Ramas,
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Speaker 1: they march for Risabela, they march to end growth. What
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Speaker 1: are they marching four? What is their positive program? What
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Speaker 1: do they want to actually do once they've destroyed and redistributed.
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Speaker 3: And taken and oppressed.
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Speaker 1: So there's no there's no positive program that the new
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Speaker 1: left has. What do they want? What do they want
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Speaker 1: for the Palestinians? What kind of life do they want
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Speaker 1: the Palestinians to have? What kind of world do they
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Speaker 1: want the Palestinians to live in? What kind of society
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Speaker 1: did they want the Palestinians to build? They don't they
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Speaker 1: don't care. The only they want is to destroy Israel.
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Speaker 1: You know, what kind of economic system did they want
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Speaker 1: that will produce the goodies? You know, will produce life
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Speaker 1: on Mars Moon station. You know, what do they want
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Speaker 1: to do with you know, Elon Musk's trillions, if they
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Speaker 1: could just get their grubby hands on it, what would
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Speaker 1: they do with all that money, they would be distributed
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Speaker 1: to a bunch of people would consume it, it would
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Speaker 1: go away, disappear, and production would hold because all this
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Speaker 1: you suck away, all the investment is saving the economy.
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Speaker 1: And they know this, all economists, And what is this
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Speaker 1: solution that the growth will eliminate growth and we'll start
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Speaker 1: shrinking growth will have negative growth, will be on a
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Speaker 1: path to destruction.
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Speaker 3: But that's okay.
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Speaker 1: Because everybody will be equal or in the world, or
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Speaker 1: we will be We will have destroyed the bad guys.
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Speaker 1: Of course, every time every society, they will they will
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Speaker 1: they will invent new bad guys that will invent new
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Speaker 1: people that they want to destroy. If you've ever you know,
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Speaker 1: read about the Kame rouge, and you know, first there
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Speaker 1: was people who lived in the cities. Then there was
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Speaker 1: people who wore glasses. There was people who had an education,
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Speaker 1: and there was people who could you know, who showed
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Speaker 1: any sign of any ability. Those had to be destroyed.
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Speaker 1: Level there was more destruction happening because to achieve any
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Speaker 1: kind of a true egalitarian outcome, it just means killing
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Speaker 1: a lot of people, destroying a lot of stuff. And
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Speaker 1: that's what motivates them. They're fueled by altruism, which leads
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Speaker 1: to egalitarianism, which leads to nihilism. Just taart stuff down,
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Speaker 1: test stuff down. That's all they want, it's all they desire,
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Speaker 1: it's all they striffle. Now, you know, think about how
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Speaker 1: intersectionality is really embedded, these altruistic ideas embedded into wocism.
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Speaker 1: Memory in the sectionality is this idea that we rank
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Speaker 1: people by how much we believe that they are oppressed,
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Speaker 1: and that the more pressed they are, the more the
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Speaker 1: more we should sacrifice for them. It's not even at
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Speaker 1: the virtuous, it's the deserving of our sacrifice and the
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Speaker 1: less oppressed we are, I don't know, in their language,
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Speaker 1: white male Wall Street billionaire, right, the more evil you
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Speaker 1: are and the more your sacrifice is required, demanded, needed,
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Speaker 1: Right now, that's the whole ideology. And that's just pure aultures,
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Speaker 1: pure Christian Christiane altruism through a lens of kind of
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Speaker 1: postmodern secularism, secularized Christianity. But altruism, of course doesn't arise
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Speaker 1: this kind of altruism, this vicious kind of altruism, doesn't
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Speaker 1: really arise in a in a in a vacuum. It is,
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Speaker 1: it has a it has a found a philosophical foundation.
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Speaker 1: The ability to undermining individualism rests on undermining the basis
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Speaker 1: for individualism to begin with.
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Speaker 3: And this is really the role of epistemology, the role.
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Speaker 1: Of the system of thought that tells us how we know,
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Speaker 1: how we know what we know. And if you think
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Speaker 1: about the foundation for individualism, what individualism rests on it.
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Speaker 1: Individual unrests on the idea that reason is our means,
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Speaker 1: a tool of cognition. It is our means of knowing
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Speaker 1: the world. It is our only means of knowing the
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Speaker 1: external world. And reason is a faculty of the individual,
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Speaker 1: and in that sense, it is what provides the individual
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Speaker 1: with the ability to survive, to have values, to pursue values.
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Speaker 1: I have the capacity to know the world, to have
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Speaker 1: the capacity to understand the world. The entire Enlightenment, the
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Speaker 1: really intellectual revolution that produced freedom, capitalism, science, founding fathers,
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Speaker 1: is built on the bedrock of really one insight. Every
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Speaker 1: individual has the capacity to look at the world and
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Speaker 1: understand it. The capacity every person using their own mind
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Speaker 1: can reach the truth, and the folk can choose their
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Speaker 1: values and can live by them. You don't need a
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Speaker 1: king or pope a preacher to tell you what the
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Speaker 1: truth is or how to live. You don't need a
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Speaker 1: priest to reveal reality to you, you.
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Speaker 3: Never mind use it. That is the fundamental message of
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Speaker 3: the Enlightenment.
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Speaker 1: And we have the tool, and look at the scientific Revolution,
31:18
Speaker 1: we demonstrate the tool, we show how it's used. That idea,
31:23
Speaker 1: a reason as individual sovereignty is what makes individual sovereignty possible. Again,
31:29
Speaker 1: if you don't have reason, if you can't tell what
31:32
Speaker 1: the truth is, if you can't choose your own values
31:36
Speaker 1: manage your own life, then you are dependent. You're dependent
31:41
Speaker 1: on authorities. You need somebody to tell you how to live.
31:44
Speaker 1: We don't have Everybody agrees, not everybody, but many agree.
31:49
Speaker 1: We don't have the code for how to live our
31:51
Speaker 1: lives embedded in us, programmed in us. We need either
31:57
Speaker 1: to figure it out or we need somebody to tell
32:00
Speaker 1: us what it is. And the reality, of course is
32:03
Speaker 1: we don't have that quote, so we need somebody to
32:05
Speaker 1: tell us what it is. So the rejection of authority,
32:16
Speaker 1: authority that imposes as will on you is the achievement
32:18
Speaker 1: of the Enlightenment. It is why the Enlightenment produced individualism
32:24
Speaker 1: and therefore individual rights in a political system of liberty.
32:29
Speaker 1: But what happens when you say reason, reason doesn't lead
32:36
Speaker 1: to truth. Reason is completely impotent, which is what exactly
32:43
Speaker 1: what the postmoderns do. And this is the philosophy that
32:47
Speaker 1: flooded Western universities studying in the nineteen seventies. And Nikos
32:56
Speaker 1: and I will do a show on postmodernism, so we'll
32:58
Speaker 1: dig deep into postmodernism in a future episode. But postmonerism
33:06
Speaker 1: did exactly this. It aimed directly at the idea of truth.
33:14
Speaker 1: They said reason doesn't work. What you call knowledge, is
33:18
Speaker 1: this your perspective. All knowledge is subjective in a sense,
33:23
Speaker 1: and your position in the social highckey, your lived experience,
33:27
Speaker 1: primarily your group's lived experience, your collective lived experience, is
33:36
Speaker 1: what ultimately is what ultimately determines you know, what you
33:44
Speaker 1: perceive as true. There's no objective reality, at least, there's
33:51
Speaker 1: no objective reality accessible to you any individual mind. I mean,
33:56
Speaker 1: this is straight out of cont if you will, but
33:59
Speaker 1: massage through a century, more than a century. So for
34:07
Speaker 1: the postmoners on there is this power structure, intersectionality, and those.
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Speaker 3: Power structures determine.
34:14
Speaker 1: Whose truth gets treated as true, whose truth is right.
34:21
Speaker 1: But no, it's all collectivist. It's all group. It's all
34:27
Speaker 1: your shared your group lived experience, your group's power, the
34:32
Speaker 1: power you get from the group you belong to, the
34:34
Speaker 1: tribe you belong to. Now this is not just I
34:39
Speaker 1: don't know. Some people talk about what's going on in
34:41
Speaker 1: university is as a mood an attitude. Now this is philosophy.
34:48
Speaker 1: This is philosophy that has consequences. If you cannot access reality,
34:55
Speaker 1: if your mind cannot access reality, then you, as an individual,
35:00
Speaker 1: you can't be solveign You can't be solving. You can't
35:05
Speaker 1: choose your own values. You can't Your life is not yours.
35:11
Speaker 1: At least you can't survive even if it is yours.
35:16
Speaker 1: You need the group, You depend on the group, or
35:19
Speaker 1: you need some source from which to derive values, to
35:24
Speaker 1: which to know what to do, to derive knowledge. Whether
35:27
Speaker 1: it's the group or or an authority that tells you
35:33
Speaker 1: you need authority, You need someone to commune with the
35:37
Speaker 1: world of spirits, the spirit of what do you call them,
35:41
Speaker 1: of the proletarian or the spirit of the arian race,
35:44
Speaker 1: or the spirit of whites and the spirit of blacks,
35:47
Speaker 1: the spirit of their press, or the spirit of trands,
35:50
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Somebody who communes with the spirit of
35:53
Speaker 1: the oppressed to know what is needed, who needs to
35:59
Speaker 1: be sacrificed, whom you can't figure out truth And the
36:07
Speaker 1: result of this is the development just like in religion,
36:12
Speaker 1: when you undermine reason and you elevate faith, you then
36:16
Speaker 1: need a class of priests to tell you what the
36:20
Speaker 1: faith demands of you, because you don't know. How do
36:22
Speaker 1: you know how many of you commune with God? None
36:25
Speaker 1: of you, I take it, So somebody has to how
36:29
Speaker 1: many of you could really understand what the I don't
36:33
Speaker 1: know Bible says what God means. So somebody has to
36:37
Speaker 1: tell you. Your reason can't because this is not about reality,
36:41
Speaker 1: this is about God, but faith but the opposite of reality.
36:46
Speaker 3: So you need a priestly class to tell you.
36:48
Speaker 1: And you know the left, you know, during the during
36:52
Speaker 1: the Wocism period, I mean we had the priestly class.
36:55
Speaker 1: We had the professors and the activists and the di
37:00
Speaker 1: I administrators, and you know, the new priests suppose modersm
37:09
Speaker 1: you know, has so many of the features of religion.
37:13
Speaker 1: It creates us the same kind of impotence of the
37:17
Speaker 1: individual and mindlessness of the individual, because what's the point
37:23
Speaker 1: of a mind when you can't reason? Yeah, If your
37:32
Speaker 1: epistemology tells you the truth comes from your group's lived experience,
37:39
Speaker 1: and then another group's claim to knowledge are just an
37:43
Speaker 1: exercise in power, then rational argument with the other group
37:50
Speaker 1: is meaningless.
37:51
Speaker 3: It's literally impossible. It will achieve nothing.
37:54
Speaker 1: Because they have their lived experience and you have yourly
37:57
Speaker 1: lived experience and now they're using power. So it's literally
38:04
Speaker 1: reasoning rational argument isn't possible. So how do you resolve disputes?
38:13
Speaker 1: How do you ressolve disputes? There's only my group truth
38:19
Speaker 1: and they groups so called truth, what they consider truth,
38:22
Speaker 1: their power play. Well, then it's all about power. Persuasion
38:30
Speaker 1: is out forces it power is it? I mean, think
38:35
Speaker 1: about the obsession of the American right with the left.
38:41
Speaker 1: It's not that they want to argue with the left
38:43
Speaker 1: and show them the left is wrong. No, I mean
38:45
Speaker 1: the whole point of trump Ism and the whole point
38:49
Speaker 1: of particularly the New Left, is you can't do that.
38:52
Speaker 3: You can't talk to leftists.
38:54
Speaker 1: There's nobody there, there's no you know, their truth is
39:01
Speaker 1: not our truth. We get our truth from God. They
39:06
Speaker 1: get their truth from you know, who knows where? How
39:10
Speaker 1: are we going to reason? Neither of us are pointing
39:13
Speaker 1: to reality. The right does not pointing to reality. The
39:16
Speaker 1: left does not pointing to reality. So the only thing
39:18
Speaker 1: we have is to bash them.
39:20
Speaker 3: The only thing we have.
39:21
Speaker 1: We have is to capture the power, the power structures,
39:26
Speaker 1: and use it to destroy the left. And that's Trump's
39:31
Speaker 1: agenda right now. I think Trump is failing, is failing
39:35
Speaker 1: on a massive scale, and just so today the image
39:39
Speaker 1: that is perfect to illustrate Trump's failure. And he's failing,
39:46
Speaker 1: I think primarily because America doesn't really want that. It
39:51
Speaker 1: doesn't really want destruction of the other, you know, just
39:55
Speaker 1: just fight the other side.
39:58
Speaker 3: It doesn't want that.
39:58
Speaker 1: But the image that struck me today as an illustration
40:02
Speaker 1: of the fact that Trump is failing is the image
40:06
Speaker 1: of the Kennedy Center today. And the work is taking
40:14
Speaker 1: down Trump's name, taking down Trump's name from the Kennedy Center.
40:22
Speaker 1: And that's like, yeah, that's it. The system in place
40:31
Speaker 1: mostly for good, resisting Trump, stopping him from his nuttiness
40:37
Speaker 1: and destructive ness, and taking down his name from the
40:43
Speaker 1: Kennedy Center. Perfect, perfect image, perfect illustration of his unbelievable
40:50
Speaker 1: failure really on all fronts. I mean, yeah, I mean
40:54
Speaker 1: that'll be another show, right, So we have a culture
40:59
Speaker 1: of unrie that, as we've talked about many times on Reason,
41:04
Speaker 1: causes the individual I don't know what's true. How do
41:06
Speaker 1: I know what's true? Running to the group, needing group,
41:09
Speaker 1: needing authorities, needing people to tell him, whether it's n
41:12
Speaker 1: Foyness or whether it's Paul Kogman. I need somebody to
41:16
Speaker 1: tell me what the truth is. Joseph Stiglitz and the
41:19
Speaker 1: the growths. Cookman is actually a little better than Stiglitz,
41:23
Speaker 1: funnily enough. And once you've accepted that reason is out,
41:32
Speaker 1: all it's left is power. Argument doesn't mean anything. What
41:39
Speaker 1: matters is force. What matters is sheer power and where
41:44
Speaker 1: does power reside in politics? So it's all about politics.
41:49
Speaker 1: It's all about capturing the political high ground, high ground
41:53
Speaker 1: in a sense of they're pulling the strings and using
41:58
Speaker 1: that to impose oh will. And of course an extension
42:04
Speaker 1: of that, particularly when you're out of power, is political violence.
42:07
Speaker 3: Political violence on both sides.
42:08
Speaker 1: And as Trump will fail more, the political violence on
42:12
Speaker 1: the right will rise. The political violence on the left
42:14
Speaker 1: has already risen quite a bit. And you're going to
42:17
Speaker 1: see political violence on both sides because that's the only
42:22
Speaker 1: thing left to them what's left.
42:26
Speaker 4: Now.
42:26
Speaker 1: Luckily these ideas are not yet in the majority, but
42:30
Speaker 1: that's where they're heading. And once, once reason is abandoned
42:38
Speaker 1: and altruism is embraced, what you find then is, you know,
42:46
Speaker 1: a growing suspicion, a growing resentment, a growing hatred of success.
42:54
Speaker 1: What you find is the rise of envy. And I
43:00
Speaker 1: don't know, yesterday, with elone Musk becoming the first trillionaire, wow,
43:07
Speaker 1: envy was everywhere everywhere. Now you didn't see it as
43:12
Speaker 1: much on the right because the alone Musk is considered of.
43:16
Speaker 3: The right, so they laid off of him.
43:19
Speaker 1: But it's there on the right, It's there on the right.
43:26
Speaker 1: Wait until the nthropy guys become billionaire gazillionaires and the
43:31
Speaker 1: opening eye guys. Envy has hatred of the good for
43:36
Speaker 1: being the good, Hatred of success for being successful, Hatred
43:40
Speaker 1: of achievement because it's an achievement because it's good. I mean,
43:45
Speaker 1: that's the whole woke program. It's built on envy. By definition,
43:51
Speaker 1: if you're successful, you're bad.
43:54
Speaker 3: What drives that.
43:58
Speaker 1: Is hatred and envy. So you know what you get
44:12
Speaker 1: is abandonment of reason, the embrace of altruism, the manifestation
44:19
Speaker 1: of that in envy and in egalitarianism, in the striving
44:26
Speaker 1: for complete equality on the left, which is a flattening
44:30
Speaker 1: and just an embrace of, you know, an embrace of
44:36
Speaker 1: going after power, wise using power to go after the left.
44:40
Speaker 1: On the right, they don't embrace egalitarianism. They embrace nationalism.
44:46
Speaker 1: They embrace you know what kind of what do you
44:51
Speaker 1: call it, hierarchy of oppression. They embrace oppression the left
44:58
Speaker 1: claims exists, the race, the press and the left condemns.
45:03
Speaker 1: They just want to be the ones on top oppressing
45:05
Speaker 1: everybody else in the name of the state, in the
45:08
Speaker 1: name of the race, in the name of religion.
45:10
Speaker 3: Depending on which which version of New Right.
45:17
Speaker 1: Right. So you know, just egalitarianism is never, you know,
45:28
Speaker 1: really motivated by compassion for the poor. You know, as
45:34
Speaker 1: I've said many times in many lectures and my books
45:37
Speaker 1: and everywhere else. You know, if you gals cared about
45:42
Speaker 1: the poor, they would celebrate capitalism because capitalism raises the
45:46
Speaker 1: poor out of poverty. But they don't. They attack achievement.
45:54
Speaker 1: What they want is to rip stuff down. They are
45:57
Speaker 1: driven by envy and they're fundamentally nihilists. John Walls, the
46:04
Speaker 1: philosopher built them up pseudo mal framework, right, But you
46:13
Speaker 1: know that's only the intellectuals use that as a rationalization
46:19
Speaker 1: for what ultimately is hatred and envy. So whatever program
46:27
Speaker 1: the left adopts, the end of it is destructiveness. That's
46:34
Speaker 1: it has to lead to that, as he's recognized as that.
46:38
Speaker 1: But the source of that, the rejection of reason, the
46:41
Speaker 1: rejection of individualism, that he cannot see, the philosophical root
46:48
Speaker 1: cause he cannot see. You don't build anything on the
46:55
Speaker 1: basis of envy. You only knock stuff down. You only
46:59
Speaker 1: knock stuffed down. And of course that is the essence
47:03
Speaker 1: of nihilism, which is what all of this boils down to,
47:07
Speaker 1: when as an individual, values are meaningless because you don't
47:11
Speaker 1: have the capacity to choose them and to And yet
47:17
Speaker 1: the world is rich, there's a lot of stuff out there,
47:22
Speaker 1: but I don't have the tool to attain it. I
47:25
Speaker 1: can't judge. I'm told my judgment doesn't count. Only my
47:29
Speaker 1: group matters. And everybody should be sacrificing for the for
47:33
Speaker 1: the suffering, and they not, and what is left. But
47:38
Speaker 1: as an individual, ultimately, what it boils down to is
47:41
Speaker 1: the hatred dives you to reject all values. It drives
47:44
Speaker 1: you to the belief that no values are worth living for,
47:48
Speaker 1: worth fighting for, worth building towards.
47:51
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean stopping action.
47:55
Speaker 1: I mean, if that were true, they would just lay down.
47:58
Speaker 1: And it doesn't lead topathy. I mean, I think for
48:02
Speaker 1: some people who does. For a lot of people it
48:04
Speaker 1: probably does. But for a lot of people it means hatred.
48:09
Speaker 1: I'm born into a world where I cannot pursue my values.
48:11
Speaker 1: I'm born into the world. Why I am not allowed
48:13
Speaker 1: to pursue my happiness. I'm born into the world I
48:15
Speaker 1: cannot understand. I cannot discover truth. It's a world I
48:22
Speaker 1: want to destroy. It's a world I want to bring down.
48:30
Speaker 1: And that's what drives them, you know. And again this
48:34
Speaker 1: is a phenomena of both sides. They don't want to again,
48:43
Speaker 1: there's no And you saw this with climate change, with environmentalism,
48:47
Speaker 1: like okay, let's go nuclear. Oh no, no, no, no,
48:49
Speaker 1: non nuclear, let's go let's have common capture technologies. Oh no,
48:55
Speaker 1: that's not allowed. They didn't want the solution. This solution
49:01
Speaker 1: was destruction. This solution was.
49:10
Speaker 3: The human race going.
49:11
Speaker 1: Back to.
49:13
Speaker 3: The caves.
49:17
Speaker 1: Destruction of progress, destruction of success.
49:20
Speaker 3: And again you're seeing that.
49:21
Speaker 1: Now with you know, everything going on about billionaires and
49:28
Speaker 1: trillion is and degrowth. It's just the viciousness of it all.
49:37
Speaker 1: So you know, the when when Hananya says something like
49:43
Speaker 1: I'd rather remember a lot of weird pronouns and see
49:47
Speaker 1: the economy destroyed, I mean he treats pronoun culture and
49:52
Speaker 1: economic destruction as some kind of thing that are different
49:56
Speaker 1: in scale of damage. You know, a minor nuisance versus
50:02
Speaker 1: a major economic catastrophe. What you're missing is the fundamental
50:08
Speaker 1: cause of both, and that the end result has to
50:12
Speaker 1: be massive destruction. And the pronouns is just the thing
50:16
Speaker 1: he's latching onto, But it's the underlying which is much
50:19
Speaker 1: more important. It's the kind of intersectionality way of thinking
50:24
Speaker 1: about the world that generates pro Palestinian demonstrations in America
50:31
Speaker 1: after October seventh, before Israel has done anything. The Palestinians
50:37
Speaker 1: are good, Israel is bad. That is such a great illustration.
50:44
Speaker 1: It's the perfect illustration of intersectionality, the perfect illustration of
50:49
Speaker 1: what is behind orcism and where the energy has been fundled.
50:54
Speaker 1: And again, it's not about building up the Palestinians, it's
50:56
Speaker 1: about tearing down Israel. America and the West.
51:04
Speaker 3: And you know.
51:08
Speaker 1: Collen's verdict, which is that worcism was a relatively harmless
51:11
Speaker 1: way of distracting activists. No, it's set the stage for
51:16
Speaker 1: the nihilism we're experiencing in about the experience I think
51:20
Speaker 1: in space again, both on the right and on the left.
51:25
Speaker 1: I mean, for decades, university systematically taught a philosophical framework
51:30
Speaker 1: for interpreting human life. Oppress is oppressed as signed model
51:37
Speaker 1: worth to the group membership, non individual action. Treat every
51:41
Speaker 1: existing institution as a vessel of structural violence, of oppression,
51:48
Speaker 1: of exploitation, and dismantling these structures as the highest expression
51:56
Speaker 1: of virtue. This is goodness. This is what you should
51:59
Speaker 1: be doing. Dismantling, destroying. It's not a distraction. This is
52:08
Speaker 1: a philosophical agenda that brings about destruction, nihilism, death. It
52:16
Speaker 1: brings about those student demonstrations. It brings about the shooting
52:22
Speaker 1: of a United Healthcare CEO and the support he got.
52:28
Speaker 1: It brings about acceptable the idea that it's acceptable to
52:33
Speaker 1: shoot Charlie Cooke or anybody else for that matter. It
52:38
Speaker 1: legitimizes violence, It legitimizes tearing stuff down, and of course
52:50
Speaker 1: as I said, you know, the new right is just
52:53
Speaker 1: different manifestation of the same anti reason, anti individualism, pro altruismology.
53:02
Speaker 1: Just instead of postmonerism, which couched in the form of tradition, religion,
53:09
Speaker 1: the past, it's couched in terms of nationalism or christianity,
53:17
Speaker 1: post liberal integralism. But it's all the same thing. It's
53:21
Speaker 1: nationalism in Christianity. Those are the anchors for the right,
53:25
Speaker 1: the sources of authority, the sources of a priesthood. The left,
53:33
Speaker 1: it's group identity. Note that the right gets group identity
53:40
Speaker 1: that is the same. They get it out of the nationalism,
53:43
Speaker 1: they get it out of the you know, tradition. If
53:51
Speaker 1: you will, the local leftoject's reason in favor of lived experience,
53:56
Speaker 1: group identity, and authority of the oppressed. Right, then you
54:01
Speaker 1: right demands you know, gets it from where. Then you
54:10
Speaker 1: right reject reason in favor of faith, tradition, revelation, an
54:14
Speaker 1: authority of the nation or of God, and of course
54:22
Speaker 1: whatever group of identity that gives you.
54:29
Speaker 3: These aren't opposites.
54:32
Speaker 1: There's symmetrical moves, and a lot of what animates the
54:34
Speaker 1: right is to be anti left.
54:37
Speaker 3: Now the left of the initiators, because.
54:39
Speaker 1: The left of the intellectuals, the left of the universities,
54:42
Speaker 1: the left of the bringers of new ideas, and the
54:44
Speaker 1: right is responsible. It has no new ideas. All it
54:48
Speaker 1: has is the past. They all reject reason, they all
54:55
Speaker 1: reject logic, and they all reject and destroy confidence and
55:03
Speaker 1: individual cognition. They all want to build up a priestly class.
55:08
Speaker 1: It's just it's a different class. Right. The left demands
55:16
Speaker 1: that you sacrifice yourself to their pressed, then you write
55:19
Speaker 1: demands that you sacrifice yourself to the.
55:20
Speaker 3: Nation or to God.
55:28
Speaker 1: Both reject reject individualism, your ability to choose your own values,
55:38
Speaker 1: to figure out you using reason, your moral your moral life.
55:44
Speaker 3: No you can't, The left will tell you you can't.
55:50
Speaker 1: All you can do is figure out are your pressed
55:52
Speaker 1: up pressed and figure out where to sacrifice. It's all
55:54
Speaker 1: you can do. The right will tell you, you know the
55:59
Speaker 1: look to God. You have to look at the nation
56:00
Speaker 1: to find your values. You don't have any. Both ultimately
56:05
Speaker 1: rely on the group to tell you what to think,
56:08
Speaker 1: to tell you what kind of life to pursue. The
56:11
Speaker 1: individual doesn't matter, The group matters for both. What makes
56:21
Speaker 1: the new Right in some sense worse, at least for
56:26
Speaker 1: me right, at least from from me as an intellectual
56:32
Speaker 1: trying to save civilization. That's a little potentious, but that's
56:37
Speaker 1: how I think of it right for me, as somebody
56:39
Speaker 1: trying to trying to defend civilization. What makes the right,
56:45
Speaker 1: the new Right wors is they pretend that they are
56:51
Speaker 1: defending Western civilization when what they're doing is undermining it.
57:00
Speaker 1: Just to remind you, Western civilization is an achievement of
57:04
Speaker 1: the Enlightenment.
57:07
Speaker 3: Now they didn't do you know.
57:09
Speaker 1: They did a great job, but it's it's incomplete. It's
57:12
Speaker 1: never been fully presented, at least until Rand. But it's
57:16
Speaker 1: a huge achievement Western civilization as we know it. In
57:21
Speaker 1: other words, the next step in civilization views civilization as
57:25
Speaker 1: a process. The next step in civilization was the Enlightenment,
57:30
Speaker 1: and that has birthed the modern world as we know it.
57:36
Speaker 3: And these people who.
57:37
Speaker 1: Want to destroy the modern world are not the defenders
57:40
Speaker 1: of civilization, Western or otherwise. Techer Coulson is not a
57:47
Speaker 1: defender of individualism, even if sometimes he presents himself as
57:51
Speaker 1: if he is. He rejects everything about individualism. He is
57:55
Speaker 1: not a defender of America. He reject everything that is America.
58:00
Speaker 1: He's not a defender of West and Sif. He rejects
58:03
Speaker 1: everything that is wester and Sif, just like the new
58:07
Speaker 1: left US. So while the left reaches for authoritarianism from
58:17
Speaker 1: a so called progressive perspective progressive hate the fact that
58:21
Speaker 1: they have that.
58:22
Speaker 3: Word, the right does it from a religious perspective.
58:26
Speaker 1: They both motivate a lug stand by fear that comes
58:30
Speaker 1: from the fact that they rejected reason, and therefore they
58:33
Speaker 1: don't know how to deal with the world. They both
58:36
Speaker 1: resort to violence because that's all that's left, all right.
58:49
Speaker 1: So a These ends his article with the observation the
58:54
Speaker 1: destructivism is dangerous because it has no constructive alternative and
59:04
Speaker 1: in the culture today, and in a sense he's right.
59:10
Speaker 1: He wants to build better god rails, stronger institution protections
59:15
Speaker 1: to prevent people from wrecking things. It's like, yeah, it's
59:18
Speaker 1: both of the courts, so Trump can't dismantle everything. And
59:21
Speaker 1: it's working. Okay, not great, but it's wokie okay. As
59:24
Speaker 1: I said, Trump is failing because we have god rails,
59:27
Speaker 1: so we want god rails. God rails are good, but
59:32
Speaker 1: that can't be the solution. We're not going to be
59:36
Speaker 1: able to protect civilization long term against people who have
59:39
Speaker 1: real philosophical conviction. Unless we offer a positive vision, unless
59:46
Speaker 1: we offer something worth fighting for, unless we offer something
59:49
Speaker 1: worth building for, creating for. We must fight for the
1:00:03
Speaker 1: idea that the individual's life belongs to him. Your life
1:00:09
Speaker 1: is yours. It does not belong to the group, the collective.
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Speaker 1: Your life is not to be sacrificed for any group,
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Speaker 1: for any mystical being, for any greater thing than yourself.
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Speaker 1: The nation is not more important than you. The tribe
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Speaker 1: is not more important than you. To you, the individual
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Speaker 1: needs to be taught. We need to teach. We need
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Speaker 1: to yell from the you know, argue for not yell,
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Speaker 1: argue from the rooftops that your life is yours. Live
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Speaker 1: it with a capital L.
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Speaker 3: Live it.
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Speaker 1: We have to identify self interest, identify egoism. We mustn't
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Speaker 1: qualify it. We mustn't soften it. We must confront altruism,
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Speaker 1: challenge it. Why should I lift other people? My life
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Speaker 1: is mine? I have only this one life, that's it.
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Speaker 1: I want it to mean something. I want it to
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Speaker 1: be a happy life. So collectivism needs to be confronted
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Speaker 1: head on. Altruism needs to be confronted head on. And
1:01:41
Speaker 1: to do that, an alternative must be presented. Individual human happiness,
1:01:49
Speaker 1: the right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, the
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Speaker 1: moral right to live for your own sake, your own flourishing.
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Speaker 1: That's what must be advocated for.
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Speaker 3: That is.
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Speaker 1: The system that is the alternative to the destructiveness, the
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Speaker 1: build of mentality, as I think Geno Golan would call it,
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Speaker 1: the build of mentality. I have values. I want to
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Speaker 1: bring those values into the world. I want to create
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Speaker 1: I want to pursue them. I want to achieve them.
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Speaker 1: And to do all that, we must defend the mind.
1:02:39
Speaker 1: We must defend reason. We must defend reason, a mind's
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Speaker 1: ability to access reality, to discover truth, to know stuff.
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Speaker 1: In a time of explosion of science, science and engineering,
1:02:55
Speaker 1: I mean it should be easy. Look at how efficasius
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Speaker 1: the human mind is. Everything flows from this everything. The
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Speaker 1: idea that we can take care of ourselves, pursue our own values,
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Speaker 1: live our own lives requires that we have a mind
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Speaker 1: that can discover truth, discover values. The idea that we
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Speaker 1: don't need athouty, don't eat priestly classes of left or
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Speaker 1: right means that we sovereign individuals with the mind with
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Speaker 1: a reasoning capacity, and we have to teach it, model it,
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Speaker 1: defend it. We have to become the defenders of egoism
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Speaker 1: and reason. That's what it's all about. Egoism, reason, egoism reason.
1:03:43
Speaker 1: It's a philosophical struggle.
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Speaker 3: The left has.
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Speaker 1: Morphed into what their ideas necessitated, pure nihilism. The right
1:03:55
Speaker 1: had no ideas, so resurrected old ideas religion, nationalism, and
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Speaker 1: a variety of them geises, and that has to morph
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Speaker 1: into the same thing, nihilism, destruction of what is good,
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Speaker 1: destruction of the individual, destruction of production. There is no
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Speaker 1: other outcome possible from a commitment to nationalism and religion.
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Speaker 1: We have to offer alternative. An alternative has to be
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Speaker 1: reason and individualism. I think they can be defended. They
1:04:27
Speaker 1: have to be defended. They have to be philosophically defended.
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Speaker 1: And there's no better time to start doing that than
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Speaker 1: right now, right now. That is my spiel for this Saturday,
1:04:47
Speaker 1: June fifteenth. On a Zi's article, I recommend you find
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Speaker 1: it and read it. I think it's definitely worth reading.
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Speaker 1: I think he's an interesting writer. He writes regularly about
1:04:59
Speaker 1: a variety of different cultural issues. John Aziz on Quinn
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Speaker 1: let quinn Let quinnlet dot com. That's q U I
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Speaker 1: L L E T T E. Right of Cena Publication
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Speaker 1: made its name really being a place that was very
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Speaker 1: anti woke, one of the first to identify kind of
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Speaker 1: what was going on on the left in the early
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Speaker 1: two thousands, in the early yeah, in the twenty teens,
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Speaker 1: and then into the twenty twenties. So why are people
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Speaker 1: writing in all caps? Can we stop writing in all caps?
1:05:41
Speaker 1: It's distracting? I don't know. All right, great, I want
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Speaker 1: to remind you all that tomorrow we've got another show
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Speaker 1: with Nikos. It's going to be on in some sense,
1:06:02
Speaker 1: In some sense there is a real Spock. He's an
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Speaker 1: Arabic name. Not only is in an Arabic name, I
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Speaker 1: think he's a Palestinian.
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Speaker 3: And yet.
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Speaker 1: On these issues he's good. I mean, he's not an objectivist,
1:06:22
Speaker 1: and he's lacking a lot. We filled it in a
1:06:24
Speaker 1: little bit for him today, but he's pretty good. He's
1:06:28
Speaker 1: pretty good. Just shows you, just shows you that you
1:06:42
Speaker 1: are not a product of your of the genetic makeup,
1:06:46
Speaker 1: of the origin of which you came from, of the
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Speaker 1: you know, nationality, or which you belong.
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Speaker 3: You are product of your own thinking or lack of it.
1:06:55
Speaker 1: If you don't think, you become a product of the
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Speaker 1: let's see they weren't that many. Katherine from Europe and
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Speaker 1: Mike dial and that's those are the those are the stickers.
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Speaker 1: Maybe more because he's got a few five dollars questions
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Michael.
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Speaker 1: He's got half of all the money raised so far.
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Speaker 1: happy to do it. Thank you Jason for the sticker.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Dale, really appreciate that. It's and Dale. That
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1:10:55
Speaker 1: let's start with Michael. Michael says, we tend to view
1:11:00
Speaker 1: the left as the paternalistic party that treats people like children,
1:11:04
Speaker 1: while the right stands for independence and personal responsibility. But
1:11:08
Speaker 1: doesn't the right today have the same philosophical kind paternalistic mindset?
1:11:12
Speaker 1: Is the left? Yes, and to some extent it always
1:11:15
Speaker 1: has as long as the right is associated with religion.
1:11:19
Speaker 1: Religion is very paternalistic religion, you know, is you know,
1:11:23
Speaker 1: you need commandments, you need a set of rules and
1:11:28
Speaker 1: guidelines to know how to live that is dictated from above.
1:11:32
Speaker 1: You don't have to understand them. Don't bother your pretty
1:11:35
Speaker 1: little mind understand why you have to do these things.
1:11:39
Speaker 1: Just know that you have to do it. It's it's
1:11:41
Speaker 1: it's a requirement. So the right has I mean the
1:11:46
Speaker 1: whole the whole set of commandments and authoritarian restrictions that
1:11:53
Speaker 1: religion places on us is a form paternalism. You cannot
1:11:59
Speaker 1: succeed in life if you cannot be a good person.
1:12:01
Speaker 1: You can't unless you do this. And I'm not going
1:12:05
Speaker 1: to explain it to you. I'm not going to tell
1:12:06
Speaker 1: you why, what the logic is, because yeah, you're basically
1:12:12
Speaker 1: too dumb to know, and your reason is not you know,
1:12:15
Speaker 1: and it's not really based on reality anyway. So I'm
1:12:19
Speaker 1: just gonna dictate it. So there's a strong paternalistic flavor
1:12:25
Speaker 1: to the right and really to religion and always has me,
1:12:27
Speaker 1: always has me right, you know, the whole notion of
1:12:34
Speaker 1: a of a priest, not a priest who not a priest,
1:12:39
Speaker 1: as a guide who teaches you about morality, guides you,
1:12:45
Speaker 1: helps you understand, helps you, you know, figure out the
1:12:50
Speaker 1: behaviors that are that are appropriate and inappropriate based on nature,
1:12:55
Speaker 1: based on rationality, and explains it to you know, a priest,
1:12:59
Speaker 1: they can forgive you you a priest, then they can
1:13:01
Speaker 1: tell you what to do. A priest that can grant you,
1:13:05
Speaker 1: you know, X number of hail Mary's, so you so
1:13:08
Speaker 1: that you can you can get away with the with
1:13:11
Speaker 1: the sin you've committed. A priest that can explain the
1:13:14
Speaker 1: books to you, but not explain again as an appeal
1:13:17
Speaker 1: to reason, explain as an appeal to authority. This is
1:13:21
Speaker 1: what it means. Priests do not typically engage in the
1:13:25
Speaker 1: Socratic method of trying to tease it out of you
1:13:28
Speaker 1: and engage in conversation. They engage in summons and reading
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Speaker 1: from the text which you were supposed to accept as
1:13:37
Speaker 1: the word of God and therefore as a must do so.
1:13:42
Speaker 1: I mean, look, a lot of our perceptions about what
1:13:45
Speaker 1: the left and the right are are wrong. And because
1:13:52
Speaker 1: you know, the right for a while and even iron
1:13:55
Speaker 1: Rand held this is the right. The term right was
1:13:58
Speaker 1: associated with protective individualism, protective individual rights, protective of the
1:14:02
Speaker 1: American system of government, even if they did it badly,
1:14:06
Speaker 1: and they did it with lots of flaws.
1:14:09
Speaker 3: That was the essential nature of the right. But I
1:14:11
Speaker 3: think that was a mistake.
1:14:15
Speaker 1: You know, if I said that to in Rand, I
1:14:17
Speaker 1: wonder what, you know, she maybe should convinced me I'm wrong.
1:14:19
Speaker 1: But I think it was a mistake in the sense
1:14:21
Speaker 1: of that, whether you like it or not, in the
1:14:27
Speaker 1: mind of the culture, the Nazis on the right, Fascism
1:14:30
Speaker 1: is on the right, and there is no continuum from
1:14:33
Speaker 1: individual rights and the protection of liberty to Nazism. There's
1:14:37
Speaker 1: no weird right of a certain type and their right
1:14:39
Speaker 1: of a different type. And to say yeah, yeah, yeah,
1:14:43
Speaker 1: that's a mistake. The Nazis are really on the left,
1:14:45
Speaker 1: which is true in some sense, is futile. It's just
1:14:49
Speaker 1: you're fighting against a culture that's already defined the terms
1:14:54
Speaker 1: in this way, and right and left are not terms
1:14:57
Speaker 1: like selfishness that are worth fighting for. They're just not
1:15:01
Speaker 1: that important. Right per se signifies nothing. It signifies where
1:15:07
Speaker 1: a certain political party sat to the right of the kings,
1:15:11
Speaker 1: those or the right versus those the left in post
1:15:16
Speaker 1: revolution France. But it wasn't if they sat in that
1:15:20
Speaker 1: direction they were poor. Individual rights they won in that
1:15:25
Speaker 1: context there was nobody who was poor individual rights. So yeah,
1:15:28
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole idea of reft and right is gone.
1:15:30
Speaker 1: It's the right and the left today as manifest today
1:15:35
Speaker 1: of different manifestations of collectivism and irrationalism and at the
1:15:42
Speaker 1: extremes of nihilism. Michael. Every time the government interferes in
1:15:52
Speaker 1: the economy, it reduces the ability of productive people to coordinate.
1:15:56
Speaker 1: It's designated to force people away from mutual, beneficial relationships
1:15:59
Speaker 1: for nowistic reasons. Well, I mean, I think sometimes there's
1:16:03
Speaker 1: nihilistic reasons, or sometimes it's delusional reasons. It's it's it's
1:16:07
Speaker 1: people thinking that they can do better than the market.
1:16:09
Speaker 1: It's people thinking that they can that they can centrally plan,
1:16:13
Speaker 1: that they can impose they will in the market, that
1:16:16
Speaker 1: there's a better alternative, that there's some algorithm that they
1:16:19
Speaker 1: can use that results in a better outcome in some way.
1:16:25
Speaker 1: And you know, so sometimes their motives are delusional, evasive,
1:16:31
Speaker 1: but maybe non nihilistic. Not everybody who disagree with us,
1:16:35
Speaker 1: Not everybody who's a central planner is a nihilist. There
1:16:38
Speaker 1: are people on the center left and center right who
1:16:40
Speaker 1: are certainly non nihilistic, who still want to tinker with
1:16:43
Speaker 1: the market wrongly, mistakingly. But I wouldn't call them nihilistic.
1:16:48
Speaker 1: But it's absolutely true that when they do outside of
1:16:52
Speaker 1: the legitimate function of government. I remember, we're not anarchists,
1:16:55
Speaker 1: so we believe government does interfere with markets sometimes when example,
1:17:01
Speaker 1: people in the marketplace of violating rights are when it's
1:17:05
Speaker 1: necessary to step in in order to help define what
1:17:08
Speaker 1: the rights are, not create them, define them. So government
1:17:15
Speaker 1: has a role in the marketplace. Each role is.
1:17:22
Speaker 3: Never involves violating rights.
1:17:26
Speaker 1: Sometimes it involves helping to define them, and certainly involves
1:17:30
Speaker 1: defending them. But you're absolutely right that it interferes with
1:17:37
Speaker 1: the ability to productive people to coordinate, and it basically
1:17:41
Speaker 1: eliminates the ability to us to find mutually agreeable solutions.
1:17:46
Speaker 1: It makes us poorer, it makes us less free. It
1:17:50
Speaker 1: is a travesty. I wish people were as upset about
1:17:54
Speaker 1: violations of you know, our property rights, our rights of association,
1:18:00
Speaker 1: rights of trade to trade as they are about things
1:18:04
Speaker 1: like freedom of speech. We need all our rights. We
1:18:08
Speaker 1: don't want to be selective about them, all right, Wes,
1:18:12
Speaker 1: thank you for the fifty dollars sticker. I really really
1:18:14
Speaker 1: appreciate that, and thank you, Stephen Harper for the sticker.
1:18:20
Speaker 1: Really appreciate that, all right, Stephen Johnson. I know a
1:18:28
Speaker 1: lot of Iron Ran fans like the band Rush just
1:18:33
Speaker 1: one of a porte. I was lucky enough to see
1:18:35
Speaker 1: them in la on the first night of their new tour.
1:18:39
Speaker 1: Excellent show. They are still masters of their craft and
1:18:43
Speaker 1: still playing songs influenced.
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Speaker 3: By Rand That's great.
1:18:46
Speaker 4: I know.
1:18:48
Speaker 1: I know Jennifer is heading out to see them in
1:18:53
Speaker 1: I can't sure that it was the Cincinnati or some
1:18:55
Speaker 1: way not in Michigan, but she's going out. Tickets are
1:18:59
Speaker 1: not cheap, but she's a huge fan. So Jennifer is
1:19:04
Speaker 1: going to see is going to see the concert. She's
1:19:07
Speaker 1: going with Robert. I think she's going with Robert, so
1:19:11
Speaker 1: I think Robert is also going to see Rush. So yeah,
1:19:13
Speaker 1: we Rush have there are a lot of fans, and
1:19:16
Speaker 1: I know they're on a tour so Cleveland. She's going
1:19:19
Speaker 1: to see them in Cleveland, So check out the tour schedule,
1:19:23
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean go see them. You know, if
1:19:27
Speaker 1: you are a Rush fan, if you if Rush, watch
1:19:31
Speaker 1: you to Objectives and tine Land or didn't, but you're
1:19:34
Speaker 1: just really passionate about Rush, don't miss the opportunity, right values, values, values, right.
1:19:40
Speaker 3: Money is for spending.
1:19:43
Speaker 1: Robert is going with his wife Amy, So Robert, Amy
1:19:47
Speaker 1: and Jennifer are going to be at the Cleveland comp
1:19:50
Speaker 1: at the Cleveland concert, and Robert and Amy also going
1:19:53
Speaker 1: to be in Detroit. Maybe I seem to remember that
1:19:55
Speaker 1: mebe anyway, go see them. Uh, you know, it's one
1:20:00
Speaker 1: of those things that so once in a lifetime, probably given,
1:20:04
Speaker 1: you know, given, who knows if they'll have a reunite again.
1:20:10
Speaker 1: And I'm all for experiences. Life is about experiences. It's
1:20:14
Speaker 1: about experiencing stuff. It's about pursuing your values, it's about
1:20:17
Speaker 1: attaining your values. No, I misspoke. They're not going to Detroit.
1:20:21
Speaker 1: They're only going to Cleveland. Thomas says, damn, I need
1:20:30
Speaker 1: to get people to pay nine ound dollars to hear me. Yeah,
1:20:33
Speaker 1: I know classical music doesn't generate. Although you know, opper
1:20:36
Speaker 1: tickets are expensive. You know, opper tickets are not cheap.
1:20:39
Speaker 1: They're not nine hundred dollars a pop, but they which
1:20:43
Speaker 1: is what the rest concert is. But they are not cheap.
1:20:47
Speaker 1: But it does tell you something about the culture when
1:20:51
Speaker 1: you can go see an opera for a third of
1:20:53
Speaker 1: what it costs and get the best seats for a
1:20:55
Speaker 1: third of what to see a rock concert, even if
1:20:59
Speaker 1: it is the best rock in the world. Thank you, Stephen.
1:21:07
Speaker 1: That is very cool. I'm glad you got an opportunity that,
1:21:09
Speaker 1: Steve Stephen Johnson.
1:21:11
Speaker 3: Thank you.
1:21:12
Speaker 1: Frank fifty dollars another fifty You guys are great today.
1:21:15
Speaker 1: Thank you.
1:21:15
Speaker 3: Really appreciate that.
1:21:17
Speaker 1: Only one hundred away from achieving our second hour goal,
1:21:20
Speaker 1: primarily because of Michael, Stephen and Frank who all did
1:21:23
Speaker 1: fifty dollars, So only one hundred dollars of achieving our
1:21:26
Speaker 1: second hour goal. We're well into our second hour, so
1:21:30
Speaker 1: five twenty dollars questions would get us there, so please
1:21:33
Speaker 1: consider that. Also, stickers can help. I see, I see
1:21:37
Speaker 1: a woman is going to stick us. Thank you woman.
1:21:41
Speaker 1: So yeah, ninety six dollars away from achieving that. You know,
1:21:45
Speaker 1: it wouldn't take much given how many people are watching
1:21:47
Speaker 1: right now live. Let's see Frank actually relevant, he says,
1:21:58
Speaker 1: Everything's relevant is preparing for anarchist trouble with the upcoming
1:22:03
Speaker 1: G seven conference. A beautiful city that has suffered from
1:22:08
Speaker 1: anarchist riots before destructiveness with the excuse of targeting the
1:22:12
Speaker 1: political class yes, I mean, look, I think the whole
1:22:16
Speaker 1: anarchist program, anarchist on the right, anarchist on the left,
1:22:19
Speaker 1: anarchist on the communist side, anarchist on the supposedly pretensive
1:22:26
Speaker 1: capitalism side. Anarchism is ultimately a nihilistic project, even though
1:22:31
Speaker 1: I think a lot of good people get captured by it,
1:22:36
Speaker 1: It's ultimately anihilistic project. And the best exemplar of the
1:22:40
Speaker 1: anarchists go to these to these G seven conferences, or
1:22:46
Speaker 1: if you remember, the first real big anti trade movement
1:22:51
Speaker 1: was the leftist anarchist anti trade riots during the World
1:22:58
Speaker 1: Trade Organization. I think was it ninety eight or ninety
1:23:02
Speaker 1: nine in Seattle, But there were others and and yeah,
1:23:06
Speaker 1: it's it's brutal, it's uh and they are they are vicious,
1:23:14
Speaker 1: and they are they are all about destruction. Again, anarchy
1:23:18
Speaker 1: doesn't build anything. You build something on the basis of what.
1:23:24
Speaker 1: Anarchy is just whatever, and the whatever is often just
1:23:29
Speaker 1: wim and wim is emotion. And if you don't build
1:23:37
Speaker 1: it on a foundation of reason, if you don't build
1:23:39
Speaker 1: life and a foundation of reason, then wim is destruction.
1:23:43
Speaker 3: Well, women's women's emotion is destruction.
1:23:48
Speaker 1: So yes, anarchy is not a system of creation and production.
1:23:55
Speaker 1: It's a system of destruction and anarchist in Geneva. It's
1:23:59
Speaker 1: going to be horrible. And you way, Geneva is a
1:24:01
Speaker 1: beautiful place, very expensive, but partially because because it's expensive,
1:24:08
Speaker 1: it is beautiful. It is a beautiful place on the river,
1:24:11
Speaker 1: on the lake like Geneva with the Alps in the background.
1:24:17
Speaker 3: And uh yeah, you.
1:24:19
Speaker 1: Know, I really really enjoy going to Geneva, walking along
1:24:24
Speaker 1: the lake, great food, just an exciting place. It's going
1:24:32
Speaker 1: to be very.
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Speaker 4: Sad, all right, Linda.
1:24:46
Speaker 1: Oh, we're ninety dollars ninety We've got I don't know,
1:24:52
Speaker 1: a few minutes, not a lot, because there's not a
1:24:54
Speaker 1: lot of questions today. So chiming in with a question,
1:24:58
Speaker 1: Linda says, I just discovered and it pickups lectures poems
1:25:01
Speaker 1: I love and why Yeah he did that at a
1:25:04
Speaker 1: conference I organized in nineteen ninety nine at I see him.
1:25:08
Speaker 1: I was there alive, you know, I was running the conference.
1:25:12
Speaker 1: Is great confidence and great lectures, an absolute delight. Some
1:25:17
Speaker 1: of the poems I knew, she says, and some were
1:25:20
Speaker 1: new to me. Highly recommended. I will second, third, fourth,
1:25:23
Speaker 1: whatever needed, I mean, generally anything. Lena Pecock does worth
1:25:28
Speaker 1: listening to, and those were real pleasures. They were real fun.
1:25:38
Speaker 1: You know, Leonard lights up when he's doing aesthetics and
1:25:45
Speaker 1: is passion. His love of life really comes through when
1:25:51
Speaker 1: he was when he was talking about great plays, and
1:25:58
Speaker 1: when he was talking about sculpture he loved, and of
1:26:00
Speaker 1: course when he was talking about poems he loves. And
1:26:03
Speaker 1: this was a great illustration of that. It was from
1:26:05
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine in Grand La Bakian. For those of
1:26:08
Speaker 1: you who were there, Thomas schue Bottom says, you and
1:26:12
Speaker 1: lovely Pam Benson. Yeah, but that one, on that one Pam,
1:26:15
Speaker 1: Pam abandoned me. I mean, not of our own fault.
1:26:20
Speaker 1: Her husband got had had a Pam was my business
1:26:24
Speaker 1: partner when I ran like see him, and we would
1:26:27
Speaker 1: put on these conferences, including the summer conferences today, okann
1:26:30
Speaker 1: And in those days that were much longer, you know,
1:26:33
Speaker 1: they were like two there were almost two weeks. The
1:26:36
Speaker 1: one in ninety nine was almost two weeks and uh,
1:26:41
Speaker 1: Pam's husband had to burst ap pandix and had to
1:26:43
Speaker 1: be rushed to the emergency room for surgery, and so
1:26:47
Speaker 1: she couldn't come. So I was left to run that conference.
1:26:51
Speaker 1: All by my lonesome. And it was a challenging conference
1:26:57
Speaker 1: for reasons. One day I will, I will, I'll tell you,
1:27:01
Speaker 1: but that a part of Objective's history and not not yet,
1:27:05
Speaker 1: not yet, not yet, you know, part of the part
1:27:09
Speaker 1: of the sealed part of the archives for now. But
1:27:11
Speaker 1: it was a challenging conference. But it was also a
1:27:14
Speaker 1: great confidence Leonard's course was fantastic. The poems there were
1:27:18
Speaker 1: other presentations were really good. So I'm not so good.
1:27:21
Speaker 1: And then there was a I got offered the job
1:27:25
Speaker 1: of being CEO of the Iron Institute at that conference.
1:27:27
Speaker 1: That conference also turned my world upside down. I was
1:27:31
Speaker 1: about to leave academia and to enter full time into
1:27:35
Speaker 1: the land of finance and be full time, full time
1:27:40
Speaker 1: in hitch front, in the hitch froun world. I was
1:27:42
Speaker 1: about to become rich. Well I thought so anyway, And
1:27:46
Speaker 1: I got offered this job. And the question was money
1:27:49
Speaker 1: or run the ironn Institute ut And this is an
1:27:52
Speaker 1: eighteen nine conference, And you reminded me of this, Linda,
1:27:55
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, I'm going off topic. And yeah, I
1:27:59
Speaker 1: chose without completely giving up on the money, because I
1:28:02
Speaker 1: stayed involved in the hedge runt. But I was going
1:28:04
Speaker 1: to go full time. That was going to be what
1:28:06
Speaker 1: I did. I did the Hedge run, maybe continued with
1:28:08
Speaker 1: seem organizing conferences, but that was it. I was not
1:28:11
Speaker 1: going to do any intellectual activity beyond that. And the
1:28:15
Speaker 1: offer from the Institute was just too good to say
1:28:17
Speaker 1: no to. And that changed the trajectory of my life
1:28:20
Speaker 1: completely completely. I'd be a lot richer now, but we
1:28:24
Speaker 1: wouldn't have the one book show probably, so my life
1:28:30
Speaker 1: would be completely different. And I'm kind of happy, proud
1:28:35
Speaker 1: to say that some of your lives would be completely different,
1:28:39
Speaker 1: because I know that some of your lives were changed
1:28:42
Speaker 1: because I made that choice. That's ninety nine. Thanks for
1:28:47
Speaker 1: being up to those memories, Linda, all right, Roman, thank you
1:28:50
Speaker 1: for the sticker.
1:28:51
Speaker 3: Gail, thank you for the sticker. Tessa, thank you for
1:28:55
Speaker 3: the sticker.
1:28:56
Speaker 1: Really appreciate it. Guys, we're doing great. We're only thirty
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Speaker 1: one dollars away, thirty one dollars away from reaching our goal.
1:29:05
Speaker 1: Shawsbud Ah, Yes, King and Country without a doubt. My
1:29:09
Speaker 1: favorite magazine, strong, soft and thoroughly absorbent. That's some black
1:29:15
Speaker 1: adda black Ada goes forth. Which season is that? Which season?
1:29:20
Speaker 1: I'm assuming is that season the last season Season four?
1:29:24
Speaker 1: World War One? But yes, ah, yes, King and Country
1:29:28
Speaker 1: without a doubt, my favorite magazine, strong and soft and
1:29:31
Speaker 1: thoroughly absorbent. That sounds like World War One Season four,
1:29:40
Speaker 1: one of my favorite shows of all time. Funniest shows
1:29:43
Speaker 1: of all time, Thomas, The first half of the nineteenth
1:29:47
Speaker 1: century was intellectually fantastic, but the second half begun the
1:29:51
Speaker 1: growth of two of the worst trends in human history,
1:29:55
Speaker 1: socialism and nationalism. We're still living with the consequence. Yes, yes,
1:30:02
Speaker 1: I mean, but but I mean they were both outgrowths
1:30:08
Speaker 1: of the intellectual movement that started at the end of
1:30:11
Speaker 1: the eighteenth century and early nineteenth century. So they were
1:30:15
Speaker 1: both outgrowths. Both the nationalism and socialism ultimately came out
1:30:18
Speaker 1: of Kant.
1:30:20
Speaker 3: The one, you know is Hegel.
1:30:24
Speaker 1: Hegel is the nationalism, but Hegel also leads to Marx,
1:30:29
Speaker 1: which is a socialism. And you know, but the whole
1:30:35
Speaker 1: trend in philosophy in the early part of the nineteenth
1:30:37
Speaker 1: century was to take Kant and we was so seriously
1:30:42
Speaker 1: and human skepticism seriously. So you get human skepticism who
1:30:48
Speaker 1: show's adoration for pre civilized man for lack of civilization
1:30:55
Speaker 1: and and really the tribal tribalism, and he had kn't
1:30:59
Speaker 1: under my reason together.
1:31:01
Speaker 3: With Hume, and then you get what you get from that.
1:31:04
Speaker 1: Is altruism as a explicitly defined ideology, which is calmped,
1:31:13
Speaker 1: and you get Hegel which is nationalism, and Marx which
1:31:17
Speaker 1: is communism, and all of the other German romantics, which
1:31:21
Speaker 1: is various forms of disaster, and ultimately out of all
1:31:26
Speaker 1: of that you get Postmondernism. So it's actually the end
1:31:30
Speaker 1: of the eighteenth century, which is the beginning of the
1:31:32
Speaker 1: end right. It's it destroys the Enlightenment and sets us
1:31:37
Speaker 1: in motion for everything bad after that. Uh so, whoops,
1:31:45
Speaker 1: what did they just do? Jennifer says, you're awesome, You're on.
1:31:48
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jennifer really appreciate it, Schasbut just as a
1:31:54
Speaker 1: add on from the previous one that was World War One, Yes,
1:31:57
Speaker 1: Blackadaut was implying that the nationalist propaganda being distributed in
1:32:01
Speaker 1: the trenches was only good for use of toilet paper. Yeah,
1:32:04
Speaker 1: I got that, thank you. And it's it's funny and
1:32:09
Speaker 1: it's one of the great shows. And that season was
1:32:11
Speaker 1: particularly good and a huge critique of the war and
1:32:16
Speaker 1: of the kind of the people, you know, the aristocratic
1:32:19
Speaker 1: structure of British society, the generals in the background, sending
1:32:23
Speaker 1: young men to their deaths for what to achieve what
1:32:27
Speaker 1: in the name of what?
1:32:30
Speaker 3: The King, the flag, the nation.
1:32:34
Speaker 1: So it's very much a critique of war and a
1:32:36
Speaker 1: critique of nationalism, and really well worth watching. I highly
1:32:42
Speaker 1: recommend Blackada all of the seasons, but I say in
1:32:44
Speaker 1: particular this last one. Richard, thanks for discussing the SOI
1:32:49
Speaker 1: security yesterday. I pray an effective text rate of about
1:32:52
Speaker 1: ten percent on my social security benefits. I pay, not pray,
1:32:58
Speaker 1: I pay an effect of tax rates about ten percent
1:33:01
Speaker 1: of my soil security benefits. I foresee that rate going
1:33:04
Speaker 1: up because the government believes I'm rich. Yeah, and the
1:33:08
Speaker 1: benefits coming down because they believe you're rich. I think,
1:33:14
Speaker 1: you know, or I mean, something has to give, Something
1:33:20
Speaker 1: has to give, all right, Hunter Hunter came in with
1:33:26
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars.
1:33:26
Speaker 3: Thank you, Hunter.
1:33:29
Speaker 1: Hunter says Einstein published is discovering the photo electric effect
1:33:33
Speaker 1: Brownie in motion mass energy equivalents, and especially relatively in
1:33:38
Speaker 1: a single year. Here's to my own miracle year in yours. Yeah,
1:33:43
Speaker 1: I mean, how old was he was? Like in his twenties,
1:33:49
Speaker 1: and he was working as a basically a clerk in
1:33:53
Speaker 1: the patent office. Here's a guy with a full time
1:33:57
Speaker 1: job in the patent office, and in one year he
1:34:03
Speaker 1: completely revolutionizes physics and writes what one, two, three, four,
1:34:11
Speaker 1: major major, what do you call it? Revolutionary articles? Just unbelievable, unbelievable.
1:34:25
Speaker 1: He was twenty six, He was twenty six. We're not
1:34:29
Speaker 1: gonna call it a miracle year, but an amazing, fabulous,
1:34:33
Speaker 1: outstanding achievement here, achievement here.
1:34:38
Speaker 3: You should all have at least one of those.
1:34:41
Speaker 1: But yeah, Einstein is going to be hard to match,
1:34:44
Speaker 1: hard to match.
1:34:47
Speaker 3: Thank you, Hunter, one hundred dollars.
1:34:49
Speaker 1: I really really appreciate that. All Right, we are back
1:34:54
Speaker 1: to Michael is Trump. It's Trump immune to bad press.
1:35:00
Speaker 1: His minions are just too devoted. Well no, I mean
1:35:04
Speaker 1: he gets bad press all the time. I mean the
1:35:08
Speaker 1: press is constantly after him. Indeed, he does so many
1:35:12
Speaker 1: things that upset people. The biggest issue is that the
1:35:16
Speaker 1: press can't keep up with him with all the bad
1:35:20
Speaker 1: things he does. But you know, his minions are too devoted,
1:35:26
Speaker 1: that is, they're not affected by the bad press. But
1:35:29
Speaker 1: it's only the minions and the minions. The number of
1:35:31
Speaker 1: minions is shrinking. It's not growing, it's shrinking. I mean,
1:35:35
Speaker 1: his popularity is tumbling. And if you look at the
1:35:41
Speaker 1: number of people who supported Trump but are horrified, for example,
1:35:44
Speaker 1: by this Iran dial yeah, it's growing. Although there are people,
1:35:49
Speaker 1: there are people out there, there is a loyal group
1:35:51
Speaker 1: of maga who will defend even this complete insanity that
1:35:58
Speaker 1: Trump is going to be signing soon. So it's it's
1:36:05
Speaker 1: some people truly have Trump zombie syndrome. They truly are
1:36:10
Speaker 1: brain dead and just follow everything Trump does and agree
1:36:14
Speaker 1: with it.
1:36:15
Speaker 3: And support it and cheer it on.
1:36:19
Speaker 1: Michael says, if you could live forever, would you if
1:36:21
Speaker 1: you could stay at twenty five years old forever, could
1:36:24
Speaker 1: you see a downside? No? I mean I don't know
1:36:27
Speaker 1: what forever means. I mean somebody could shoot me. I'd
1:36:29
Speaker 1: still die. But if yes, if I could rejuvenate my
1:36:33
Speaker 1: body to be twenty five, but constantly do that without
1:36:38
Speaker 1: without degradating my knowledge base my mind, then yeah, I
1:36:43
Speaker 1: would do that. I would do that. Yeah, twenty five,
1:36:48
Speaker 1: twenty five, it was in good shape. Why not? Why not?
1:36:55
Speaker 1: I mean I think late twenties is physically you at
1:37:00
Speaker 1: your peak, and if you can bring your brain with you,
1:37:05
Speaker 1: that is, if you can keep all the knowledge there,
1:37:08
Speaker 1: then then yeah, I mean I'd love to be the
1:37:11
Speaker 1: have the physique, the physical capabilities of a twenty five
1:37:17
Speaker 1: year old. Yeah, I mean I might, I might have
1:37:20
Speaker 1: been stronger later in life, but just in terms of
1:37:23
Speaker 1: flexibility and joint health and ligaments and god, there's so
1:37:28
Speaker 1: many little things, so many little things that you could
1:37:31
Speaker 1: do at twenty five that you can't do at my age.
1:37:34
Speaker 1: And even at forty you're starting to slow down. Your
1:37:36
Speaker 1: metabolism slows I mean forty mclearly might metabolism slowed at forty.
1:37:41
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would definitely twenty five not a bad
1:37:44
Speaker 1: age to choose, Not a bad age to choose.
1:37:48
Speaker 3: Roman.
1:37:49
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about how digital asset tokenization could
1:37:53
Speaker 1: internalize market externalities? I mean, look, all digital asset tokenized
1:38:00
Speaker 1: is is a distribution of property rights, So it doesn't
1:38:06
Speaker 1: really internalized market externality. I mean unless the digital asset.
1:38:11
Speaker 3: To begin with was not private.
1:38:13
Speaker 1: As long as the digital asset is private, then the
1:38:15
Speaker 1: no externalities, it's the insternality is already internalized. So you'd
1:38:19
Speaker 1: have to be more specific. Give me a scenario where
1:38:21
Speaker 1: that is the case, real spark. Please talk about Jerry
1:38:27
Speaker 1: Seinfeld saying Palestine doesn't exist. Also, if communism is destructive,
1:38:32
Speaker 1: then how did Soviet Union make subway space program, et cetera. Yeah,
1:38:38
Speaker 1: so Jerry Seinfeld is right. There is no there's no
1:38:42
Speaker 1: such thing historically as a Palestinian people. A Palestinian state
1:38:48
Speaker 1: never existed in all of human history. There's never been
1:38:51
Speaker 1: a Palestinian state. The area that is Palestine or Israel
1:38:55
Speaker 1: was occupied, you know, by the Jews way back, and
1:38:59
Speaker 1: then by the Greeks, and then again by the Jews,
1:39:02
Speaker 1: and then by the Romans, and then by the what
1:39:09
Speaker 1: do you call them, by the Egyptians, and then by
1:39:12
Speaker 1: the god Byzantines, and then by the Arabs, and then
1:39:18
Speaker 1: by the Ottomans, and then by the British, and then
1:39:22
Speaker 1: there was the state of Israel. So there's never been
1:39:23
Speaker 1: a Palestinian state in that area, never being a Palestinian
1:39:27
Speaker 1: autonomous area, none of that ever existed. So there is
1:39:30
Speaker 1: no such thing as a Palestinian state in history. But
1:39:34
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you can't create one. So to me
1:39:37
Speaker 1: to say that the saying the Palestine doesn't exist, it
1:39:41
Speaker 1: doesn't help anything. Right, here are people who identify it
1:39:45
Speaker 1: as a particular people.
1:39:46
Speaker 3: All right, what do you do with that? Is the question?
1:39:49
Speaker 1: Right, are you advocating for freedom, we're advocating for protecting
1:39:54
Speaker 1: the rights of those Palestinians. Are you advocating for establishing
1:39:57
Speaker 1: a state that would protect the rights of Palestinians? Okay,
1:39:59
Speaker 1: then then there's a basis for discussion. But if you're
1:40:03
Speaker 1: sustaining a barbaric morality, a barbaric philosophy, ideology, then there's
1:40:11
Speaker 1: no meaning to palest in your state. Okay, we get
1:40:14
Speaker 1: another state that oppresses as people. There's no value in it,
1:40:17
Speaker 1: there's no purpose in it. So historically is right. Practically
1:40:25
Speaker 1: the only thing that gives a state meaning is the
1:40:28
Speaker 1: extent to which it protects individuals. If communism is destructive,
1:40:33
Speaker 1: how did Soviet Union make subway space program, et cetera. Yeah,
1:40:38
Speaker 1: Because even if you have let's call it for the
1:40:42
Speaker 1: sake of a bad metaphor, but let's call it a
1:40:44
Speaker 1: shrinking pie, you.
1:40:46
Speaker 3: Can still redistribute within that pie.
1:40:50
Speaker 1: So, for example, you can lower people's standard of living,
1:40:55
Speaker 1: take money away from whatever it is that they're producing,
1:40:58
Speaker 1: and they're producing something a little bit and you can
1:41:01
Speaker 1: pour it into building pyramids, in other words, a subway station,
1:41:06
Speaker 1: or you could pull it into a space program, which
1:41:08
Speaker 1: you can't afford, but you can take people's money and
1:41:12
Speaker 1: build it. But on net, standard living, quality of life
1:41:16
Speaker 1: in your country is going down. You're killing millions of people.
1:41:20
Speaker 1: That's a pretty much a lowering of standard of living.
1:41:24
Speaker 1: Death death is a is about as low of a
1:41:27
Speaker 1: lowering of stead of living as you can get. So, yeah,
1:41:37
Speaker 1: it's it's uh, it's a redistribution. Redistributions can be done
1:41:44
Speaker 1: now if you actually look at what they did. Is
1:41:49
Speaker 1: a lot of the engineering that went into the so
1:41:51
Speaker 1: called big achievements of the Soviet had, like the subway,
1:41:54
Speaker 1: we're done with foreign engineers that they brought in, you know,
1:41:59
Speaker 1: because because they didn't have the knowledge locally. A lot
1:42:04
Speaker 1: of the development of the oil industry and the Soviet Union,
1:42:06
Speaker 1: a lot of the development of the subway system, a
1:42:09
Speaker 1: lot of others were foreigners who were brought in, you know,
1:42:12
Speaker 1: to facilitate it. And there was just a matter of
1:42:14
Speaker 1: money and labor, and money and labor can be redistributed
1:42:17
Speaker 1: from other things to that in order to create pyramids.
1:42:22
Speaker 1: The Pharaoh's book Pyramids even though ancient Egypt was a
1:42:25
Speaker 1: destructive society, and ultimately the Soviet space program was like
1:42:31
Speaker 1: the Pyramids. It didn't produce any wealth. I mean, at
1:42:34
Speaker 1: least Apollo, which is ultimately you know, materially in the negative.
1:42:39
Speaker 1: Maybe it motivated people, but at least that technology developed
1:42:44
Speaker 1: during Apollo was used ultimately to develop computers and you know,
1:42:49
Speaker 1: all kinds of other things. In a Soviet Union, it
1:42:52
Speaker 1: was a dead end, never went anywhere. They didn't develop
1:42:55
Speaker 1: a tech industry because of the space program, whereas the
1:42:57
Speaker 1: US did because the US privatized it all. It's also
1:43:03
Speaker 1: true that the Soviet space program was all built on
1:43:07
Speaker 1: stolen tech, stolen knowledge, just like the nuclear program. They
1:43:13
Speaker 1: had to steal the stuff from them from from from
1:43:15
Speaker 1: the Manhattan Project. Michael, Why is the subway in Moscow
1:43:22
Speaker 1: so much nicer than New York City? Well, I'm not
1:43:24
Speaker 1: sure it is. There's a couple of stations that are
1:43:27
Speaker 1: really nicely built and that the state spends a lot
1:43:31
Speaker 1: of money to keep maintained because it's a show piece.
1:43:36
Speaker 1: And New York City, because again it's owned by the state.
1:43:39
Speaker 1: It's also by the state. It has chosen instead of
1:43:43
Speaker 1: to maintain the subway New York City has stolen, has
1:43:47
Speaker 1: chosen to hand it out to homeless people, and and
1:43:50
Speaker 1: to to to spend the money on rent control and
1:43:53
Speaker 1: to spend the money on welfare and all kinds of
1:43:57
Speaker 1: all kinds of weird retribution programs. New York has the
1:44:03
Speaker 1: money to make the subway system beautiful. It would just
1:44:07
Speaker 1: have to stop, you know, wasting on another things. Or
1:44:11
Speaker 1: it could just to turn it to the original people
1:44:13
Speaker 1: and privatize the subway and the subway would be a
1:44:15
Speaker 1: lot nicer. So there were a couple of stations in
1:44:18
Speaker 1: Moscow than are nice. I mean, I remember when Washington,
1:44:23
Speaker 1: DC opened the subway system, must be in the seventies.
1:44:27
Speaker 1: It was gorgeous. It was really really really nice. It's beautiful.
1:44:31
Speaker 1: It just hasn't been maintained because they choose to use
1:44:34
Speaker 1: the money for welfare, and the Russians choose to use
1:44:38
Speaker 1: the money for maintaining the station. So that when Tucker
1:44:41
Speaker 1: Cosson goes there, he can go, WHOA, this is so nice.
1:44:46
Speaker 1: This is such a better country than America. Real Spock says,
1:44:51
Speaker 1: please say something about coming to Anthony's child. Yeah, I mean,
1:44:56
Speaker 1: I was going to talk about it on Monday.
1:44:58
Speaker 3: I've looked into it.
1:45:00
Speaker 1: I can't say I'm an expert on everything that happened,
1:45:03
Speaker 1: but it seems and you look a jury, a jury,
1:45:07
Speaker 1: a trial is held, the jury ruled there's no reasona
1:45:10
Speaker 1: believe that the Jewy was completely sCOD although lots of
1:45:13
Speaker 1: people are claiming it was.
1:45:16
Speaker 3: You know, this was at a track meet a.
1:45:21
Speaker 1: I guess it started raining in a black athlete from
1:45:25
Speaker 1: one school trying to go under a tent of another school,
1:45:29
Speaker 1: and a white white athlete kind of started pushing him
1:45:35
Speaker 1: out of the tent, and you know the the the
1:45:40
Speaker 1: black athlete, Camela Anthony, pulled out a knife and stabbed,
1:45:44
Speaker 1: stabbed the guy and stabbed him in such a way
1:45:47
Speaker 1: that they killed him. Right, he stabbed him I think
1:45:49
Speaker 1: through the hut and he killed him. And he's on
1:45:53
Speaker 1: trial for motive and clearly killed him. I mean nobody
1:45:57
Speaker 1: nobody's disputing that clearly had a knife on him, which
1:46:01
Speaker 1: is very questionable to be a knife to a athletic competition.
1:46:06
Speaker 1: I mean, this is very similar to the case in
1:46:09
Speaker 1: some ways to the case we just had in in
1:46:13
Speaker 1: the UK where shoving and pushing turns into one party
1:46:17
Speaker 1: stabbing the other. I don't know if you know that
1:46:24
Speaker 1: it's so so Kamela. Anthony claimed self defense. He claimed
1:46:28
Speaker 1: he feared for his life, but the jury didn't believe that,
1:46:32
Speaker 1: and and the testimony was no testimony that really in
1:46:35
Speaker 1: any significant way validated that. Again, they were shoving and
1:46:40
Speaker 1: you know, kids, fight, fights happened, and uh, but you
1:46:45
Speaker 1: don't pull out a knife in a fight. You know.
1:46:47
Speaker 1: You maybe you punch the guy, or you shove him back,
1:46:50
Speaker 1: or you run away, but you don't pull out a knife.
1:46:53
Speaker 1: That's you know. Now, if ten people are after you,
1:46:56
Speaker 1: then you do it. But there's there was no evidence
1:46:58
Speaker 1: presented in twelve that you know, ten people were after him.
1:47:05
Speaker 1: So it seems pretty clear cut to me that he
1:47:07
Speaker 1: stabbed the guy. And it's not a racial issue. It's
1:47:13
Speaker 1: straight out he killed him. Now again, you know that
1:47:17
Speaker 1: people out there saying evidence was suppressed. There was a
1:47:22
Speaker 1: bunch of people ganging up on him, and we were
1:47:23
Speaker 1: attacking him, and this really is self defense. Again, no
1:47:27
Speaker 1: evidence at trial was presented as far as I can tell,
1:47:31
Speaker 1: to justify that, and the jury certainly didn't think that.
1:47:34
Speaker 1: I still generally not always believe in, you know, don't
1:47:39
Speaker 1: view myself is in a better position than the jury
1:47:42
Speaker 1: if I haven't heard all the evidence.
1:47:44
Speaker 3: I mean, you could question the jury in the O. J.
1:47:46
Speaker 1: Simpson trial because every one of those sessions of the
1:47:50
Speaker 1: trial were broadcast and we all had access to the
1:47:53
Speaker 1: evidence that we all could make up our own minds. Here,
1:47:55
Speaker 1: we don't have it right at that. The family who
1:48:00
Speaker 1: aged six hundred thousand dollars in go fundme, I mean
1:48:04
Speaker 1: I don't see that as a problem one with the other.
1:48:06
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's a tragedy. This kid lost his temper,
1:48:12
Speaker 1: sadly had a knife on him, which made that temper
1:48:14
Speaker 1: express itself in pulling a knife. I don't think he
1:48:17
Speaker 1: had an intent to kill. He probably was gonna he
1:48:20
Speaker 1: got He lost his temper and he stabbed the guy,
1:48:23
Speaker 1: and he didn't think about He didn't think right.
1:48:25
Speaker 3: He didn't think And people want to make sure he got.
1:48:29
Speaker 1: A decent defense, which the parents did use to get
1:48:32
Speaker 1: a good defense lawyer, and they did.
1:48:36
Speaker 3: So.
1:48:37
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a problem with him raising money.
1:48:38
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with people sending the money
1:48:40
Speaker 1: to make sure he got a good defense. They're not
1:48:43
Speaker 1: wealthy people, and having a defense. You don't want a
1:48:46
Speaker 1: public defender in a motor trial. You want to be
1:48:49
Speaker 1: able to get the best that you can find completely understandable.
1:48:53
Speaker 1: So I have no problem with that. What I do
1:48:55
Speaker 1: have a problem with is all the people, all the
1:48:58
Speaker 1: people who are turning this into a racial issue, and
1:49:03
Speaker 1: it's finarily those minorities claiming this is all racism and
1:49:08
Speaker 1: the trial is racist and verdicts racism. And he got
1:49:12
Speaker 1: thirty five years. I haven't looked it up. I was
1:49:14
Speaker 1: going to look up. Let me just ask ch GPT
1:49:16
Speaker 1: what that means in terms of how how you know
1:49:21
Speaker 1: when he could get out of parole in Texas.
1:49:26
Speaker 2: On a.
1:49:30
Speaker 4: Thirty five year since.
1:49:36
Speaker 1: Soon can and.
1:49:39
Speaker 2: Portry to get.
1:49:42
Speaker 1: Out, I'm curious to just compare it to the UK.
1:49:47
Speaker 1: She got thirty five years. You know, we'll see what
1:49:50
Speaker 1: Chachibt comes from back from in terms of she's eligible
1:49:54
Speaker 1: for parole in seventeen years, which just shows you that,
1:49:57
Speaker 1: I mean, the British is eligible for paul after twenty
1:50:00
Speaker 1: one years. So it's not that big of a difference, right,
1:50:03
Speaker 1: It's not that big of a difference. It's about the same.
1:50:06
Speaker 1: The cases are very much the same. And in the
1:50:08
Speaker 1: case of England, the guy was being harassed by being filmed,
1:50:12
Speaker 1: which I think was inappropriate. But then he took the phone,
1:50:16
Speaker 1: which was wrong of him to take the phone. And
1:50:18
Speaker 1: then there was shoving, and then he pulled out a
1:50:20
Speaker 1: knife and stab because shoving turns into a step, it
1:50:22
Speaker 1: turns out it's half. So it's seventeen and a half years.
1:50:25
Speaker 1: He's eligible for PAUL in seventeen and a half years.
1:50:27
Speaker 1: What puts him in the same ballpocket as twenty one
1:50:29
Speaker 1: years or twenty two years that the guy in England got.
1:50:33
Speaker 1: So it's very much the same. And then the question
1:50:40
Speaker 1: is the other thing is that you know, the white
1:50:44
Speaker 1: submesis they've also used this as an excuse to go
1:50:47
Speaker 1: after his family, to make racial points about this and
1:50:51
Speaker 1: so on. It's two teenagers, and you know, teenagers get
1:50:58
Speaker 1: into fights.
1:50:59
Speaker 3: I got into fight when I was a teenager.
1:51:01
Speaker 1: The tragedy here is that a one had a knife
1:51:04
Speaker 1: on him and be given that he you know, used it.
1:51:12
Speaker 1: You know, seventeen year old shouldn't have knives on them
1:51:14
Speaker 1: because in the heat of the moment, it's hard to
1:51:18
Speaker 1: resist and it's very easy to exaggerate the threat that
1:51:21
Speaker 1: you think you're under, very easy and to perceive it
1:51:25
Speaker 1: a self defense in your own mind. Kim says, I've
1:51:33
Speaker 1: been responding to some of the anti trillionaire posts telling
1:51:37
Speaker 1: these people to start doing something with their own life
1:51:40
Speaker 1: so they can be successful, and they end up getting
1:51:43
Speaker 1: mad at that. Also, of course they don't want to.
1:51:47
Speaker 1: I mean, and maybe they are doing something meaningful with
1:51:50
Speaker 1: their life. It's just a measured in dollars, they will
1:51:53
Speaker 1: tell you. And and why do I have to measure
1:51:55
Speaker 1: everything in dollars? And you know, why can't I just
1:51:58
Speaker 1: do Why do I why do I need a work
1:52:01
Speaker 1: for a living. Why can't I just do what I
1:52:03
Speaker 1: like doing? Why can't I just might pursue my hobbies?
1:52:06
Speaker 1: Give me a break? Yeah, that the mentality of these
1:52:09
Speaker 1: people is unbelievable. They really think that they are They
1:52:13
Speaker 1: deserve to be fed and clothed and supplied with an
1:52:17
Speaker 1: iPhone just because they're born, because because they exist. Londer
1:52:23
Speaker 1: Sander says one Atkinson is also this is from from UH.
1:52:32
Speaker 1: One Atkinson from Mister Bean and Uh from the show
1:52:38
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier. He also says he strongly defends
1:52:44
Speaker 1: free speech. Yes, I've seen a number of his videos.
1:52:46
Speaker 1: They're excellent. He is a great defender free speech. Really
1:52:50
Speaker 1: really good, I really really enjoy it.
1:52:53
Speaker 4: Troy.
1:52:54
Speaker 1: Troy from Australia has just come in with five hundred
1:52:57
Speaker 1: Australian dollars. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Always made
1:53:00
Speaker 1: my day. We are blown away. We've blown through a target.
1:53:05
Speaker 1: That is fantastic. Thank you, Blackada. Of course I mentioned Blackata.
1:53:08
Speaker 1: That is the show. Troy, thank you. It's great to
1:53:10
Speaker 1: see you. Great to see you here. I'm glad you're
1:53:14
Speaker 1: enjoying the show. All right, let's see we got two
1:53:17
Speaker 1: last questions. Lon Descenter says, what's your view on using
1:53:20
Speaker 1: VPM to see shows and movies that streaming platforms don't
1:53:23
Speaker 1: make available in your true location? Well, I mean, well
1:53:29
Speaker 1: it depends, right, So if you've paid for the service,
1:53:32
Speaker 1: Like when I travel, I paid for Netflix, why shouldn't
1:53:38
Speaker 1: I be able to access it? You know, so I'm
1:53:40
Speaker 1: fine with using a VPN in these circumstances.
1:53:44
Speaker 3: For example, in Puerto Rico.
1:53:46
Speaker 1: Some things are blocked in Puerto Rico, not by the services,
1:53:50
Speaker 1: they're blocked by you know, the state and regulations and
1:53:55
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. So yeah, if I can get
1:53:58
Speaker 1: around that, I get around that. But I have to
1:54:01
Speaker 1: pay for it, I'm not gonna gonna do it and
1:54:03
Speaker 1: somehow get something for free that I that I think
1:54:07
Speaker 1: is stealing. Michael says, I disagree that Marxists and the
1:54:14
Speaker 1: old Left had a positive vision of destrip progress and
1:54:17
Speaker 1: human well being. I think they always wanted death. You know,
1:54:21
Speaker 1: maybe deep down that's what they wanted, but that's certainly
1:54:24
Speaker 1: not how the theory presents it. And it's now what
1:54:27
Speaker 1: they're arguing for, you know. And and and Marx says
1:54:31
Speaker 1: some very very very positive things about capitalism because he
1:54:35
Speaker 1: sees what capitalism is doing to the lives of people.
1:54:40
Speaker 1: He recognizes that, and he and he just thinks it's
1:54:43
Speaker 1: a it's a stage in human development. It's this is
1:54:48
Speaker 1: where he's Hegelian in the sense of there's an inevitability
1:54:52
Speaker 1: to history, and he's an he's like economy discerminist, and
1:54:56
Speaker 1: he believes that capitalism is an essential state. You need
1:55:01
Speaker 1: that economic development. It gives you economic development, quality standard
1:55:05
Speaker 1: living does rise. But then there's one that takes us
1:55:07
Speaker 1: even further and where we're going to be better off
1:55:11
Speaker 1: and where we're gonna prosper even more.
1:55:13
Speaker 3: That is his argument.
1:55:14
Speaker 1: Now you could argue he knew better and all of
1:55:20
Speaker 1: this is motivated by evasion and hatred and envy, and
1:55:22
Speaker 1: I think there's plenty of reason to believe that ultimately
1:55:25
Speaker 1: what motivated Marx was a hatred of self interest. You
1:55:29
Speaker 1: can see that in his essay on the Jewish Question,
1:55:32
Speaker 1: which I often recommend you all read. But it Marxism
1:55:39
Speaker 1: clearly presents itself as being pro human flourishing and pro progress,
1:55:47
Speaker 1: pro industrialization. You know, arguably they know it will fail,
1:55:55
Speaker 1: and they preach it anyway, and in that sense they're
1:55:57
Speaker 1: pro death. But that's what there suplicit arguments support. All right,
1:56:04
Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Thank you to Troy. That's great, really
1:56:09
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Thank you to Michael who contributed a lot today.
1:56:13
Speaker 1: Thank you for a Hunter for the one hundred dollars.
1:56:15
Speaker 1: And a couple of people did fifties, Stephen and Frank.
1:56:18
Speaker 1: But thank you to all the the super chet contributors
1:56:23
Speaker 1: and all the sticker contributors. West also did fifty as
1:56:25
Speaker 1: a sticker. So thank you, guys. I will see you
1:56:28
Speaker 1: all tomorrow. I will be here with Nikos to talk
1:56:33
Speaker 1: about what are.
1:56:35
Speaker 3: We talking about.
1:56:36
Speaker 1: We're talking about the left an Islamism and the connection
1:56:41
Speaker 1: between the left and Islamism. Why do you have gaze,
1:56:46
Speaker 1: you know, for Palestine when they know, they know what
1:56:50
Speaker 1: happens to gays, if they would go to Gaza, Gaze
1:56:54
Speaker 1: for Gaza, gays for Framas, how does that work? So
1:56:57
Speaker 1: what is the why? Why is the left in Islamism
1:57:01
Speaker 1: so connected? That's with Nikos tomorrow at three pm East
1:57:06
Speaker 1: Coast time, right here on the Iran Bookshow. See that.
1:57:09
Speaker 1: Bye everybody,