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#1563 The SAS TV Bloke - Ollie Ollerton · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: Good team.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very cheeky lineup I have today. It's The
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  Speaker 2: You Project. Craig, Anthony Heart reporting and for Judy, Tiffany
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  Speaker 2: and Cook. I just noticed has got the wrong trademark
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  Speaker 2: behind her. We might have to get rid of it.
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  Speaker 2: Oli Olaton is joining us. Also, tiff of you. I
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  Speaker 2: know you've had a busy day, but it's the first
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  Speaker 2: time on this show I'm chatting with you.
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  Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good, I'm good. It has been
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  Speaker 1: a chaotic little day, hasn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it is a chaotic day because Easter is upon us,
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  Speaker 2: the bunny comes and I've got six podcasts today and
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  Speaker 2: I'm am not even saying this because of the man
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  Speaker 2: that's on, but I feel like this is going to
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  Speaker 2: be my favorite because I feel I've connected with a
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  Speaker 2: kindred spirit. But it's been a busy day all round.
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  Speaker 2: Olli Olerton, welcome to The You Project, my friend.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you man. It's a pleasure to be on here.
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  Speaker 3: We've already had a little warmer little chat, so I'm
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  Speaker 3: really ready for this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Ready to go?
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  Speaker 2: And you started sharing the goal and I had to say,
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  Speaker 2: pick the brakes on the breaks on Champ, don't share
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  Speaker 2: that and stuff to.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, we're pretty sweary here.
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  Speaker 2: So feel free to open all leave the swearing door closed.
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  Speaker 1: It's up to you. Yeah, my mum does listen. They
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  Speaker 1: keep that in mind. Yeah, level three swearing level three.
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  Speaker 2: So I know the answer to this. But tell our
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  Speaker 2: listeners where we find you at today.
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  Speaker 3: I'm actually in the UK in a place called Shropshire,
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  Speaker 3: which is in the hills, the best place to be
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  Speaker 3: in the UK.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's early, early and early ish in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: What time do you get up normally five o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: Do you just roll around the backyard like a ninja
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  Speaker 2: doing weapons drills and kicking trees and shit pretty much.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty pretty much that kind of stuff. Obviously doing a
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  Speaker 3: perimeter patrol, make sure there's no enemy, that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's just just standard stuff. Yeah, Are you
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  Speaker 1: just like an urban ninja? Do you call yourself that?
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  Speaker 1: Do you just like like a cat? Like a cat
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  Speaker 1: with absolutely? Yeah, I find it hard to see myself
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you're so quick. They're actually very funny. That's good.
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  Speaker 2: Even if you can't fight, you'll disable me with bloody
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  Speaker 2: humor or disarmy. We were talking just before we came on,
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  Speaker 2: let's keep that going. You were talking about an interest
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  Speaker 2: you've got in neuroscience or neuroscy.
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  Speaker 1: Just continue that because I want to learn about that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, it was something I did when I came back,
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  Speaker 3: when I was first starting to you know what, when
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  Speaker 3: I first started to realize that happiness and fulfillment was
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  Speaker 3: not an external fix, it was an internal an internal.
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  Speaker 1: It's internal.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to look internal to find the happiness, to
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  Speaker 3: find fulfillment, to understand.
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  Speaker 1: Who you are.
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  Speaker 3: I actually started getting interested in neuroscience. I actually did
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  Speaker 3: a it's called PRISM. It's like it's a character assessment
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  Speaker 3: tool and it's based on euroscience, a very individual to
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  Speaker 3: the person, and I actually went through that to it.
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  Speaker 1: I actually became a practitioner.
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  Speaker 3: I was so impressed with it because it you know,
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  Speaker 3: I did the test and afterwards it was like it
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  Speaker 3: came up with something that I have been I thought
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  Speaker 3: I never was, and it basically, you know, at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the test, I was like, no, that it's
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  Speaker 3: obviously broken, and they were like, nah, it's not only
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  Speaker 3: that is you. And it was like it said that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, for all my career, because I'm an ex
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  Speaker 3: special Forces soldier. I've always thought, well, you know, there's
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  Speaker 3: four different in this particular model. There's four different characteristics,
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  Speaker 3: and that is empathetic, that is analytical, that is driven.
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  Speaker 3: This is very generalistic view of it. And creative. Now,
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  Speaker 3: obviously coming from the Special Forces and asking anyone what
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  Speaker 3: they thought I would be, everyone would say, well, you're
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  Speaker 3: a red your you know, focused, direct, let's hit the target,
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  Speaker 3: don't need.
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  Speaker 1: Can I guess what you are?
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  Speaker 3: Go on?
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  Speaker 1: Creative?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, creative, we believe it or not a
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  Speaker 3: bit of empathy thrown in there, Well.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to make a shit soldier then yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: why I left. That's why you know what I do.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm probably the first soldier that I've heard, especially
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  Speaker 3: from the Special Forces, say this that I didn't fit
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  Speaker 3: in when I was there, you know, and I just
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  Speaker 3: couldn't understand that.
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was something that was that was wrong
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  Speaker 1: with me.
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  Speaker 3: It was just the fact that I didn't fit into
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  Speaker 3: that box, if you want to call it that.
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  Speaker 1: And it took me a long time to realize that.
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  Speaker 3: When I did that neuroscience a test that was that
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  Speaker 3: was only seven years ago, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: So I've spent all my life trying to be someone
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  Speaker 3: I'm not and struggling against the grain. And it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: until I actually did that test I then understood the
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  Speaker 3: true character of who I was, beyond the facade of
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  Speaker 3: who we pretend to be for everyone else's for everyone
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  Speaker 3: else's happiness.
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  Speaker 1: And that was such a powerful thing.
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  Speaker 3: It was so powerful to actually understanding who I was,
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  Speaker 3: what my strengths were, why I struggled with certain things,
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  Speaker 3: and that's because my character wasn't really tuned for those
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  Speaker 3: certain things. So, you know, especially when it came to
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  Speaker 3: starting my own business, because I'm the I am. When
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  Speaker 3: I look back, I'm like, I've come up with so
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  Speaker 3: many business ideas. It's not funny. I've had more failed
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  Speaker 3: businesses than I've had, you know, ones that have succeeded.
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  Speaker 3: But when sas who does When's the program came onto
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  Speaker 3: the UK the UK screens. When I first got that opportunity,
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  Speaker 3: I knew I had a window of opportunity, or thought
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  Speaker 3: I did at that time. I thought I had a
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  Speaker 3: small window of opportunity. So I thought, this is where
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  Speaker 3: I launched my business from. You know, this is going
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  Speaker 3: to give me the exposure and I had to then
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  Speaker 3: push myself into being analytical, into.
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  Speaker 1: Being driven all the things that didn't come naturally.
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  Speaker 3: And that really, for me typifies the ethos of everything
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  Speaker 3: I do, which is my company called Breakpoint. And that
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  Speaker 3: is the short term step into discomfort for long term gain.
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  Speaker 3: And that really is you know, sometimes when you want
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  Speaker 3: to achieve anything in life, well, I'd say all the time,
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  Speaker 3: when you want to achieve anything decent in life, you
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  Speaker 3: are going to come up against resistance. You're going to
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  Speaker 3: have to push against the grain, and you've got to
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  Speaker 3: learn to understand that you have to embrace that and
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  Speaker 3: not not be pushed back into your comfort zone and
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  Speaker 3: that repeat habit loop of nothing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, and the irony is ali that so many people
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  Speaker 2: like the thing which actually empowers you and give helps
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  Speaker 2: you develop strength and insight and awareness and resilience. Is
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  Speaker 2: pain is discomfort, is unfamiliarity, is uncertainty? Is they not
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  Speaker 2: knowing all of those uns And they're the things that
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  Speaker 2: we avoid, but they're ironically the things that make us
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  Speaker 2: better if we approach them the right way.
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  Speaker 3: And that is you know, it's like I'm I'm very
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  Speaker 3: big on everyone should have goal, we al, should we're
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  Speaker 3: all driven by goals, whether people liked to liked, whether
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  Speaker 3: they believe it or not, we're all driven by goals.
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  Speaker 3: Our subconscious mind is a goals driving, goal getting machine
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  Speaker 3: that stops it nothing until it gets what your dominant
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  Speaker 3: thoughts focus on. So, whether you think you know, that's
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  Speaker 3: why the language of the mind is so important in
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  Speaker 3: a very sort of toxic and negative world. It's easy
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  Speaker 3: for people to then end up in a place that's
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  Speaker 3: not a very happy place, and that is because they
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  Speaker 3: don't have to take any directive action on their thoughts
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  Speaker 3: and their goals. But really, it's not about the goal.
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  Speaker 3: It's not what you get who you become in the process.
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  Speaker 1: You know, how did the dude who's sorry man?
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  Speaker 2: How did the guy who's high and empathy and creativity
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  Speaker 2: get through the most grueling fucking selection process and being
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  Speaker 2: one of one of five out of two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty candidates that started.
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  Speaker 1: How did that guy?
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  Speaker 2: Because clearly you also had a work ethic and mental
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  Speaker 2: toughness and aptitude and skill and resilience as well. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking empathy isn't held in super high regard when
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  Speaker 2: you're being trying to kill people.
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  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I'll answer the first question, and
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  Speaker 3: that is that's a really good question because when I
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  Speaker 3: look back now, I realized that I was driven by ego.
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  Speaker 3: Ego was in the driving seat, and I would not
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  Speaker 3: would not allow that. I would not allow that selection
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  Speaker 3: process to beat me because I was so shit scared
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  Speaker 3: of looking like a failure, and that was that was
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  Speaker 3: all ego.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't you know.
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  Speaker 3: When I look back now, it's like I now understand
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  Speaker 3: I didn't even understand the word purpose, what that meant.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when I'm eighteen and joined up, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: realize what that meant.
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  Speaker 1: Purpose, but it was. It was, so it's so.
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  Speaker 3: Apparent now when I'm looking back hindsight, it's a wonderful thing.
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  Speaker 1: But it never won any wars.
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  Speaker 3: But looking back, but looking back, it wasn't my purpose,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't my true purpose to be in
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  Speaker 3: the military. And that's why I went from the Rawal
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  Speaker 3: Marines initially and thought, Nah, this isn't what I expected.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why I then went onto the Special Forces
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  Speaker 3: because I was always looking for this utopia that I
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  Speaker 3: expected to find, and when I got into the Special Forces,
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  Speaker 3: that wasn't there either. And like I say, looking back now,
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  Speaker 3: I understand that it wasn't my true purpose being in
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  Speaker 3: the military. You know, we're we're born into this world
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  Speaker 3: as amazing creative human beings. You know, we have all
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  Speaker 3: this creativity and everything else. Then we get put into
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  Speaker 3: the programming center, which I call school, and then all
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  Speaker 3: that kind of creativity and everything is drained out of is.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we're being prepared for the system. We're being
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  Speaker 3: prepared to fit into society. We then come out, we
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  Speaker 3: get spat out at the back end, and we're expected
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  Speaker 3: to fit into a box, into a label, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: we you know a lot of people think that they're
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  Speaker 3: broken that you know, there's something wrong with them. It's
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  Speaker 3: the system. I really see, it's the system that's broken.
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  Speaker 3: We're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
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  Speaker 3: And that really was it for me. I thought the
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  Speaker 3: box with the label on for me was military. I
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  Speaker 3: got into that, and then you know this, you know,
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  Speaker 3: not feeling settled, not feeling at home, not feeling you know,
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  Speaker 3: I did expect when I did the Special Forces selection
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  Speaker 3: that that would be the job that I'd be in forever,
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  Speaker 3: that you know, it would be the be all and
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  Speaker 3: end all of you know, I'd be there forever. They'd
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  Speaker 3: have to drag me out to leave, and it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: the case. And really it was you know, got me
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  Speaker 3: through a selection. It was it was that that pure
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  Speaker 3: one ego was driving me for that. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's that's a really important point now, because ego can
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  Speaker 3: really sort of ego can allow you to be the
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  Speaker 3: byproduct of who you really are, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: If you can't control your ego, you end up doing
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  Speaker 3: stuff where you're really just trying to you know. For
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  Speaker 3: me being a Special Forces soldier, being in the military,
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  Speaker 3: it looked great from the outside world looking in, but
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  Speaker 3: it didn't look great from the inside looking out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that I talked about that a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I set up the first personal training centers in Australia Olie.
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  Speaker 2: I was the first trainer in I think anyway. In
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six. I started personal training and working with clients.
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  Speaker 2: Opened the first facility thirty two years ago. There weren't
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  Speaker 2: any and by the time I was thirty, I was
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  Speaker 2: quite in inverted commas in a typical sense successful. I
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  Speaker 2: had five businesses, had over one hundred staff, and I'd
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  Speaker 2: become you know, on a modest level.
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  Speaker 1: Successful.
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  Speaker 2: You know, all my businesses were making dough and I
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  Speaker 2: was writing for the Herald Sun, which is the paper
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  Speaker 2: in Melbourne where we are, and things were going good.
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  Speaker 2: But in the middle of all of that, I felt
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  Speaker 2: kind of disconnected. And I mean I wasn't depressed, but
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  Speaker 2: I didn't, like, I wasn't having the experience, the euphoric
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  Speaker 2: experience of success, Like my default setting was more just busyness, distraction,
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  Speaker 2: trying to solve problems, you know, a little bit of anxiety,
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of self doubt, a little bit of fear,
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  Speaker 2: like all of these like how come I'm doing so
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  Speaker 2: great but I feel so shit? And I think also
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  Speaker 2: for me, I.
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  Speaker 1: Could do it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I could be an entrepreneur, I could build
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  Speaker 2: businesses and lead people in that way.
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  Speaker 1: But it didn't. And it was all right, it wasn't terrible,
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  Speaker 1: but it just wasn't my natural habitat you know, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't really my thing. Took me to about
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  Speaker 1: mid thirties to figure that out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that Listen, the majority of people
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  Speaker 3: are doing exactly that, aren't they. You know, at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the day, you know, satisfaction, like people are
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  Speaker 3: programmed to believe that satisfaction is ensuring that just the
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  Speaker 3: money's going into you account and you can pay your bills.
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  Speaker 1: And there's so much more to life than that.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: When I left the military, I mean, listen, you don't
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  Speaker 3: get paid much when I actually I don't tell many people,
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  Speaker 3: but when you do get paid, when you get paid
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  Speaker 3: in the Special Forces, you don't get paid much. So
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  Speaker 3: when I came out, you know, all through my career,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I was just fighting to pay the bills
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  Speaker 3: all the time. And then then when I came out,
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  Speaker 3: all of my mindset was money.
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  Speaker 1: I need money.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't really care what I did, but I was
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  Speaker 3: chasing the dollar. Then, you know, I said, another go
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  Speaker 3: back to a war zone. I ended up leaving the
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  Speaker 3: military trying to stop my own business, this, that and
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  Speaker 3: the other. Then the war in Iraq sort of well,
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  Speaker 3: it ended when it really started in two thousand and three,
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  Speaker 3: and a load of us went out there. We were
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  Speaker 3: earning a fortune, an absolute fortune, and I still wasn't happy.
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  Speaker 3: I still wasn't happy, you know, I was the money
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  Speaker 3: was in the driving seat. And now call that fool's gold,
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  Speaker 3: because I'd never go back to a war zone and
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  Speaker 3: work in those conditions and the kind of torture my
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  Speaker 3: mental health went through. My mental yeah, my mental health
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  Speaker 3: went through was ridiculous. But you know it was only
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  Speaker 3: when I was about the other side of that and
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  Speaker 3: I went, you know, I ended up out in Thailand.
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  Speaker 3: I was actually living in Australia, I believe it or not. Wow,
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  Speaker 3: I was living in Brisbane.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I lived there for ten years and I was
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  Speaker 3: commuting all over the world and doing stuff. But I
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  Speaker 3: actually stumbled across something that was absolutely phenomenal and it
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  Speaker 3: changed my life. And that was rescuing kids from child
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  Speaker 3: prostitution and slavery out in Thailand and doing that.
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  Speaker 1: I had no idea.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it was obviously rewarding and humbling to be
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  Speaker 3: doing something like that, but I had no idea the
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  Speaker 3: gift that that was going to give me, and that
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  Speaker 3: was the power of helping people, especially when they're less fortunate.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't being paid for it. I was funding the
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  Speaker 3: whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, although I wasn't getting any money, it
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  Speaker 3: was the best return on investment I have ever had.
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  Speaker 3: And that is something that we're losing, the ability to
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  Speaker 3: do nowadays is all we're losing the ability to see
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  Speaker 3: the power of helping other people. We're looking at competition
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  Speaker 3: over collaboration. So really, for me, when I went out
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  Speaker 3: there and it came crashing down because of a political
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  Speaker 3: situation and I ended up back in Australia licking my wounds,
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  Speaker 3: But what I took from that was the heartbeat of
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  Speaker 3: where I am today, and that is understanding that my
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  Speaker 3: true purpose was helping other people, you know, and that's
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  Speaker 3: I'd learned that through that experience in Thailand, and that
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  Speaker 3: would then become the heartbeating DNA of what I've got today,
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  Speaker 3: which is my company breakpoint. You know, I understood then
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  Speaker 3: I stumbled over that. You know, I was drawn to
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  Speaker 3: it because I wanted to help these kids. But what
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  Speaker 3: that gave me is the ability to see the power
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  Speaker 3: of helping other people. And you know, I think really
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  Speaker 3: that's an innate thing within within every person that is
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  Speaker 3: innate if we can start to understand that what we
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  Speaker 3: do on a daily basis in the service of others.
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  Speaker 3: People are walking around doing their jobs on a daily basis,
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  Speaker 3: thinking to themselves, well, I'm doing this to pay the bills.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to do this, I'm caught in this trap.
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  Speaker 3: When if they just reframed it and started to understand
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  Speaker 3: how their job helps other people and that should then
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  Speaker 3: be the driving force of what they do. That should
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  Speaker 3: be their you know, their mantary if you, if you
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  Speaker 3: want to call it that, that for me changed everything
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  Speaker 3: because I stopped then chasing the dollar, I started chasing
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  Speaker 3: the passion for what I did. You know that my
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  Speaker 3: mission is to create a globally identified brand recognized for
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  Speaker 3: the positive growth and development of others. That for me,
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  Speaker 3: is more value than any money ever.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, yeah, sorry, go on, I'm sorry. Sorry.
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  Speaker 3: And once you take the money out of the way
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  Speaker 3: and that becomes your driving force, the money is a
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: buy product, you know, your your world absolutely changes.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: I fuck hats off to you man. That is unbelievable.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: That is inspirational. I did not know you were going
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: to I've got so many questions, but firstly, thank you
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: for doing that.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Thank you. I mean, that is just amazing.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: That you that you did that, that you that you
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: think the way that you do. But I mean I
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: was a little bit like you in that we well
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: definitely not in the heroic sense, but in the money sense, like,
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: but you think about the culture that you grew up in,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: and I grew up in, and IF grew up in
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: most of our listeners, which is essentially that success is
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: about things. Success is about what you can see and
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: what you have and what you earn and what people
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: think are you and what you drive and where you live,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: like that is success in our culture. Success like the
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: person who's driving a ship box, living in a one
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: bedroom apartment, who's helping lots of people and as mentally
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: and emotionally in a great place. People don't consider them
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: successful by and large. They consider them someone to be
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: pitied because they live in a crappy house and driver
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: ship box and don't make much money.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: But it's funny because I think this.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know whether it comes with years or having
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: a light bulb moment or an experience or a spiritual
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: awakening or revelation or I don't know, or it's just
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: a download, some kind of cosmic download. But I think
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: a lot of people get to that point where they go, ah, okay,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: so this is actually not it. This is not it,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: you know, because I've got lots of stuff now and
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: it's okay. So I've had the fifty inch, sixty inch,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: seventy inch, eighty inch telly and the ninety inch Well,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: maybe it's not about the telly size. In fact, maybe
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: it's not about anything external. And even when it comes
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: to money, I think money is not an issue, but
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: it's about I think it's about the nature of our
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: relationship with money, like what money means to us. I
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: think if money is your reason, then you're in trouble
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: depending on what you But if money is just a resource,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: like for you to do the work that you want
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: to do and help people and support people and empower others,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: takes money, right, But it's it's just how you're It's
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: not like that's your personal driving force. Your personal driving
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: force is to help and empower and support others, and
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: money is one of the ways, in one of the
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: resources that can materialize no pun intended.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, one hundred.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: You know what the majority of people just you know,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: the whole goal in life is to have the you know,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: the nice house and you know, and then when people
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: live on an estate, well I'm talking a lot about
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: the UK, but you know, when people live on an estate,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: when the houses are all the same, then their aim
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: is to have a better car than the neighbor, you know,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: and that's their drive. It fits straight into that same thing,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: you know, it's the perception. You know, that everyone's creating
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: the perception of who they want to be from the
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: outside looking in, and that the problem really stems from
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: the fact that we are all you know, it's the
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: way we are. We're driven by image, aren't we. We're
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: all driven by image and that for me is like
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: such an important part because when I go back to
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: my military days again, I was driven by the image
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: of who I was going to be, you know, and
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: we are so drawn by image and not by feeling,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: and we should really start to understand that. Yeah, you're
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: drawn initially by the image, but you then have to
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: and get you know, what does it feel like?
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: How does it feel?
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: And that's the important part because people are so you know,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: people are compromising their health, their mental health, their physical health,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: just to create the perception of this person that's doing well,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: like you say, with all the materialistic things, and then
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: they are becoming the byproduct. And that is you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: for me, when I had when money was in front
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: of me and I was forever chasing it, I was
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: the by product.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I was the bitch. I was money's bitch.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: And it's the same with everything, mate, it's you know,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: it's when you've got a relationship that's doing the same thing,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: when you've got a job that's doing the same thing,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: when you've got an addition that's doing the same thing.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: When you've got and that can be alcohol, drugs, whatever
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: it is, whatever is in the If something's in front
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: of you and you're forever chasing it, you are the bitch.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: You are. You are subservient to whatever that is.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: And that was for me with alcohol, with with money, relationships,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: the whole lot. And it wasn't until I managed to,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: you know, I stopped drinking, and that for me was
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: the biggest win of my life. And it's not just
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: about because I stopped drinking and the benefits of me
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: not drinking, you know, that was incredible for me. But
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I won such a major the biggest battle of my life.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I'm putting myself in charge, in control and beating that.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I now know that I can beat anything I can control.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I'm the one that's in control of everything, and we
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: have to be in control, otherwise we are subservient to
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: whatever we're chasing.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Otherwise.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if we don't write the story, when'll be written
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: for us and we'll just be a character in that story.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: How old are you, mate, if you don't mind me
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: asking you, I'm fifty one. He looks fucking amazing. He
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: looks so healthy, doesn't he look healthy?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Tip? Thank you? Very annoying.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: And he's got his hair is almost all black, which
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: is fucking annoying as well.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I know there's no dyeing there, there's no dye.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what you need more stress in your life, bro,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Stop stop being so relaxed. Why did the empathetic, creative,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: easy going. Maybe I'm not sure that you were, but
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen year old want to become a commando? What
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: compelled you? With all of the options as you're going
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: through school, what was the influence that led you there?
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Well, mate, I don't know if you know the story
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: about and I tell you anyway, but I blamed the
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: chimp was ten years old, ten years old, and I
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: found myself at the circus as they were setting up,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: and I ended up getting into a fight with a
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: fully grown chimp that nearly killed me.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: It sounds like it, This sounds like a setup but
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: it's not, is it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: It's not It's not me. You know.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I've told this story before and the people laugh at
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: the end of it and go, are you serious? And
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I went to the circus ten years old,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: and we're looking around and I ended up going out
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: the other side of the big top where they were
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: setting up and baby chimp powder back there, and I
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: was drawn to it, you know, And.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Seeing this little chimp was like Hollywood to me, you
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? It was. It was amazing.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: It was like it was like some woman seeing George
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Clooney naked on this open expanse if is that a
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: good Is George Clooney a good one?
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Or now of it? Patrick? Maybe Chris EM's worse. That's
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: just me. Well, yeah, there you go.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Fucking steady on you too, how you too, get a room,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: take a breather, let's get through the podcast.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: So I was drawn to this this little animal. It
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: started to then pass me food from the floors. Then
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: sort of I wasn't going to eat it. It's disgusting,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: So I was like pretending to go through the motions.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: I wasn't going to break that moment. It was unbelievable.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: It was timeless. So I was like this baby David Attenborough.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: And then you know, the serenity, serenity of that moment
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: was broken like a fighter jet cutting through the sky
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: as I heard this roar that are still here to
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: this day and that was mommy or daddy that was
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: was not very happy. And then it's it came to
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: me at mac ten and from the shadows behind, this
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: fully grown chimp came at me at mac ten. It's
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: about fifty kilograms listen. I didn't get a chance to
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: weigh it, but it was fucking big and there are
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: about nine times as strong as humans or something. Yeah,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: they have ripped people to bits. And this thing pounced
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: through the air, him to the floor and it was
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: going at me like a drummer in a rock. Blood
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: was flying everywhere. It started to bite me, rip chunks
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: out of me. And this for me, and this is
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: one of my company is called breakpoint because this was
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: my first breakpoint. And that was in that moment where
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: I knew I was going to die. My life lashed
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: in front of me. It didn't take long.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I was ten in that moment.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: I reacted, managed to dislodge the chimp, managed to get
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: my leg up, smashed out as hard as I could
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: into the chimp's chest, knocked it to the floor, scurried
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: away backwards, and then it got to its feet and
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: came at me for its final attack. It was probably
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: an inch away when the chain caught it around the
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: neck and I stood up. I was absolutely dripping in blood.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: And that was my break point, because that typifies what
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: the ethos is all about. It's that short term discomfort
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: for long term gain. Short term discomfort for me was
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: fighting the grown chimp that day. Long term gain for
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: me was living. That was my first break point. It
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be my last, but now that's the name of
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: my company and my first book.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Wow, good for you do.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: But anyway, the answer to your question, Craig is the
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: fact that that then set me off on a path
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: of absolute mayhem. As a kid, I had no consequence,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: I had no fear. I was pushing the envelope. I
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: got in trouble with the police, nearly got a custodial
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: sentence as a kid, and then at fourteen thirteen fourteen,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: my mum really started to focus on me directing my
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: energy in a positive way. And at fourteen I can
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Remember I was just absolutely in love with the military,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: and I remember at fourteen I made that decision where
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: looking back now, I think, God, my son was nineteen,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: he still didn't know what he was doing. You know,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: fourteen it was quite an assertive decision. I'm joining the
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Rawal Marines.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: That's it. I've had enough.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: I don't want anything to do with the school anymore.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: I've got no interest. And that was it. You know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: that was why that dream from fourteen that then came
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: to fruition. You can imagine how disappointing that was for
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: me when I joined and it wasn't what it was meant. Well,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I think I'd spent so long creating the dream of
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: what it was going to be that I built it
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: so big it fell down as soon as I d
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I joined, really, but that's really that was the driving
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: force for me joining, you know, is that it was
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: the only place that I wanted to be at war
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: every day. It is an unhealthy character trait, but I
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: wanted to be at war every day. I wanted to
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: be knocking on death door. And you know, I actually,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: when I look at my career, the safest part of
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: my career, my life was actually in the Special Forces
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: because I had this structure around me, I had people
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: around me to keep me confined. My life was absolute
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: mayhem either side of that up until you know, the
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: age of forty forty three, when I actually start to
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: sort myself out and start to look in turn for
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: that internal fix out a breakdown, and you know, but
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: that was it, you know, it pushed me to the military.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: I came out the other end of that, and then
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: it went back, absolutely even worse into that mayhem. I
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: was bouncing all over the world, going to war zones,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: thinking that was again this external fix that was going
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: to make me happy, and it wasn't.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: It's only when I, you know, I had this breakdown,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: I started to think about suicide and a break I've
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: been analyzing what happens when someone has this breakdown. You know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: everyone said it's like the phoenix from the fire and
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: all this and what actually happens, and I really think
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of merit in this. My thoughts about
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: this is when you are actually broken and you've got
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: to your lowest are, but it's the first time you
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: start to look in Up until that point, everything's external, external, external, external,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: And when you actually have this break For me, certainly,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: when I had that breakdown, when I came crashing down,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: I had nowhere else to look but inside. And it
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: was that looking inside that made me start to realize
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: that everything I was looking for was there, it wasn't outside,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: and that's what I needed to change.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Some people would call that a spiritual awakening, but or not,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: or just a recognition like yeah, because it's I think
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: we try and resolve internal stuff, emotional, psychological whatever, sociological
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: relationship stuff, fear stuff, anxiety stuff, overthinking, self doubt, self loathing,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: all that bullshit, all that very common stuff. I think
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: we try and resolve it with external solutions and we go, well,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: if I can, just I did that, mate, because I
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: was an insecure I was a fat kid. When I
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: was a kid, I was a fatest kid in my
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: school and all that stuff. And then I got in
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: shape and then all I wanted to do was have
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: this awesome body and look look freaky.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: So you know, because I got my.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Sense of self and self worth and self esteem from
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: my body, and so you know, and that again, that's
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: just a shell. That's just an external thing that people
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: we'll see because I never felt good enough. So I thought, well,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: if I have a ridiculous body, then that will that
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: will kind of distract people from the ship that is me,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: One totally relate to that.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: I did exactly the same thing when I came back,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: when I first sort of sorted myself out, and you know,
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: that was that was the main thing for me. I
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: was like, I was wanting to be this, you know,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: it was all about the body, the image, you know,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: and zero percent of fat and all that, and wanted
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: to be ripped as anything.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: And it was I was, you know, you people think,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: oh god, look at that guy.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: It looks great, but by insecurity, you know, being you know,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: I wanted to have that sort of and it was
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: my ego that was really desperate, desperate to have that
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: attention from everyone else, saying all, look how fit you are.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: But when I look back, you know, I think how
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: unstable I was still at that stage.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: It's funny, though, isn't it.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: How Like I'm fifty eight and I know you think
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: and fuck, you look incredible. I'm fifty idea, you're great.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: You look great, mate, I'm fucking with you. I look
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent. I look fifty eight. Everyone, but I am.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: But I think when people think like you, okay X,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: you know, Royal Marine, SASSBS, Commando, blah blah, Special Forces,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: fucking weapon, you know, and it's so nice to hear
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: you go, I was pretty fucked up. I was fucked up, issues,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: self esteem, ego, suicidal ideology, ideation. I should say, not
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: that we want you to have any of that, but
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: it's just true. And for you to be brave enough,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, for me, you talking about this shit that
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: is courage and bravery and not that what you did
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: before is not. But this is a whole different level
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: because when you the guy on the telly, the guy
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: that's the war hero, the guy that's done all these
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: things that most of us would never even fucking think
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: of doing, and then here you are talking to a
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: couple of people about your fallibility, your flaws, your issues,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: your bullshit, your peaks and troughs.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: This is I mean, this is the stuff that people
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: need to hear.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I believe, not some rah rah motivational, fucking short term whatever,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: because people see themselves in you. People hear themselves in
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: your story. And you know, like even the fact that
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Tiff and I did a podcast earlier today and we
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: were talking about, you know, being in the wrong job,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and then you get on and talk about I could
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: do it, but it was kind of the wrong job,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: you know, and just being brave enough and honest enough,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: because that must have even been And it's not that you,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure that you still are happy
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: with what you did, and I'm sure you don't regret it.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: But there will be a lot of people who, you.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Know, their military career and the stuff that you've done
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: that would almost be their identity until the day they die,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: like that's where they get their sense of self and
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: self worth and self esteem. But when you realize that
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: what I do is not who I am, like what
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I do, like my job is my job, it's not
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: my identity. And I think one of the challenges for
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: us is because we don't really know who the fuck
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: we are. And we think we're our body, and we
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: think we're our achievements, and we think we're our brand,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: or we think we are the bloke on Telly, or
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: we think we are the podcast or the corporate speaker
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: or the whatever the fuck. But it's only when we
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: open the door on that self kind of searching that
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: self awareness that who am I beyond my staff? Who
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: am I beyond what people think of me? And who
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: am I beyond what I have thought of me? Like
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I think that's when the good stuff starts to open up.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: One, but you know, and I keep going back to
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: the majority of people, a lot of people, and they
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: wonder why they're frustrated in life and depressed and you
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: know they have no sense of direction and purpose and
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: everything else is because they don't allow that realization to happen.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: You know, it's such a powerful thing when that does happen,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: And certainly for me, you know, looking back now, if
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: you know, if I don't know where I've been, i'd
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: be if for me I didn't have that breakdown, I
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: didn't start to look.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Within, you know.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just like you know, and that's that's
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: really for me.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: It's like everything in my book's Craig.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: You know, every book I've done, whether you know I've
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: done too self development and to fiction at the moment,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: but each one of those books is I'm a flawed character,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: and it's so important that I you know, there's a
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: lot of people out there faking perfection. You've only got
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: a look at ego gram. You know, I mean everyone
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: on there is everyone on there is faking perfection. No
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: one is prepared to actually deal with their weaknesses as
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: well as their strength. And if you don't, it's the
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: ying and the gang you've got to deal. If you
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: don't expose your weaknesses, how can you deal with them?
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: They're just hidden it.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: It's like it's like the thief that doesn't expose, they're
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: always going to be stealing from you.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: You can't get better at the thing you want to do.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: You can't get better at the thing you want college
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So you've really got to identify with your strengths
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: and witnesses and work with those you know to understand
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: who you are and what you need to fix.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: One of the problems I reckon.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Is or one of the challenges is so when you
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: talk about egogram, for example, Instagram, the truth is that
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: that some some people can get on there. I'm I'm
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: not saying people shouldn't do this, don't send me an email,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: but and basically get rewarded, get their ego stroked, and
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: also financially rewarded for putting up photos of themselves and
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: then then I think that's that's when the identity thing becomes.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they shouldn't do that.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I just think there's a way that I don't know
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: the answer to this, but you know, someone's making twenty
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: grand putting pictures of themselves on Instagram. Who the fuck
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: am I to say don't do that? But then or more,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, some people may one hundred grand, some people
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: make millions a year.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: But then on top of that, you go, at what
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: cost does that come? Like?
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: How do how do I separate between me doing this
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: thing where people are essentially they don't know me, they're
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: just looking at my body versus who I am beyond that?
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: And how do I stay spiritually, mentally and emotionally well
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: when I get my sense of self worth and self
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: esteem from what strangers think of my body.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll tell you what it's like.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: I have spent a lot of time thinking about this,
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: and it was actually when I went across to South
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: This is where I actually dealt with a lot of
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: my stuff, especially I dealt with the trauma when I
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: was ten years old, when I went to Costa Rica
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: and I did an ayahuasca ceremony over there, which was
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: absolutely unbelievable, a real deep dive and really start to
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: unravel that trauma. But another thing that happened to me
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: when I was doing that ceremony, I started to really
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: have this observation about how much each every I mean,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: for the person that's making all that money, as long
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: as they can look at that and think, well, that is,
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: they've got to underhit that's their purpose for doing it.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: They've got a why for doing it. And once you
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: once you know the why, the how, it becomes easy
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: and everything else. But it's I I feel sorry for
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: the other people that then look at these people that
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: are making money and you know, and using Instagram because
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: it for like for me, it's a commercial asset. So
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: really it's it's it's the people that you know are
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: not making the money, but then are creating this person
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: that they're not, and they're putting so much investment into
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: this person, building this picture again for other people's satisfaction
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: that they become the byproduct that is the person that's
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: in the shadows crying and unhappy and depressed. But they're
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: so and they've invested so much into creating this persona
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: of someone they're not and that is a really I
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: think that is so dangerous, especially for kids growing up
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: and everything else. You see these people on Instagram, you know,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: the ones that are making all the money and everything else,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: and then they start to compare this comparison that we do,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: you know, because once you start to compare, you know,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: then it starts to create this unrealistic world of something
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: you want to be. You don't want to be yourself,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: you want to be someone else, you know, and that's
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: where the you know, that's corrosive. That really starts to
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: rot away that individual and it's not a happy place
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: to be. And I really do feel for all those
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: people out there that are doing that. You know, they're
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: investing everything into the person they're creating. It's like AI,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: isn't it. You're creating this person who you're not, you know,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: with all the filters and doing all this and that
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: and the other. You know, your energy is all on
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: that person you're not, and you become the by product.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: And that's you know, it's sad when you become the
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: by products.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I'm of the not very popular school of thought that
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: technological advancement doesn't necessarily equal human advance I think some
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: technology is awesome obviously, anything in the medical space, anything
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: that helps humans on a fundamental level.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: But some of it it scares me a little bit.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Where we're going a couple of things, I want to
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: ask you. I want to circle back on one thing
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: that I neglected. It was in my mind then we
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: got caught up. First thing is half of my listeners
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: now are going ah aahuascar.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I wonder how it was for him and half ago?
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: And what the fuck is ayahwuasca?
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: We've spoken about it a couple of times, but we're
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: eight hundred episodes deep and we're always getting new listeners.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Could you give us the two minute kind of ayahuasca
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: tutorial ten minutes, whatever the fuck you want and how
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: it was for you?
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, Well, basically, ayahuasca is a plant medicine.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: It's a natural it's a plant, so it's an actual
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: natural medicine.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: It's sourced out in.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Well, it's Peruvian, I think it comes from basically.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: But basically it's a hallucinogenic.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: And it's centuries old, you know, So basically when you
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: go to take do ayahuascar. One thing they said to
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: me there is when you take higahuascar, it is it
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: doesn't go to where you want it. It goes to
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: where it's needed. So for me, what that did for
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: me in a snapshot is basically when I went with
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: a load of veterans from all over the world to
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: a place called Saltara in Costa Rica, and that was
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: really you imagine a lot of those guys were absolutely
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: torn apart by PTSD and everything else. I was actually
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: in quite a good place, but I went anyway because
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: I wanted to understand about Ayahuascar. It is a real
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: deep dive into yourself, into you and for me, when
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: you go, let me give you an example. You know,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: like I said, it goes to where it's needed. So
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: for me, I didn't know where it was going to go.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: It went back to me as a ten year old boy.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: And that is the journey I went on and understanding
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: now that when we go through any kind of traumatic event,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: I feel there's a self preservation system in built within
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: us that it locks away the intimate trauma so that
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: we can get over the short term.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: It locks it away.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: But the unfortunate thing with that is people rarely go
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: back to deal with it. They lock it away and
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: push it under the carpet. Under the under the bed
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: or whatever internally. So for me, Ayahua Oscar was actually
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: going back into that, unlocking that dealing with that trauma,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: that intimate trauma, which I did on that throughout had
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: four ceremonies and it was really unraveling all that trauma
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: and taking you know, for me, it was about the
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: fact that I created this whole story in my head
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: about me being the victim and pour me and everything else,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: which we do as humans. We're great at being victims.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: But for me, it was about going into that situation
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: starting to have some compassion for the chimp that attacked
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: me on that day. I'm one that went into its arena.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: It didn't come looking for me, you know, I was
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: the one that was threatening. It's young, you know, and
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I started to have so much compassion for that chimp.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: It took me out of being a victim and it
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: made me a part of the scenario as opposed to
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: the focal point of it. And there's a lot of
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: things that happened in you know that that won't go
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: into because it was a long, long journey. But for me,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: it was like I came out of that and I
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: was at peace. I then started to look back at
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: how that you know, trauma at a ten year old
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: when you're ten has really or any when you're young,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: has a very damaging effect, and it does steer and
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: change your life dramatically. I didn't even realize what it
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: was doing, but it was causing.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Me a lot of.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Pushing me into a lot of negative situations until I
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: actually dealt with that. When it comes to trauma, people
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: struggle actually moving forward because they're fighting to be the
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: person they used to be and because of that traumatic incident,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: not that person anymore. Stop, you know, and the more
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: you fight to be who you are, the more frustration
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: and confusion there's going to be. So really, for me,
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: ayahuasca it's an ancient plant medicine used by Native Indians
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: for hundreds of years and it really helps them to
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: sort of have a deep dive into themselves. And for me,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: it was about unlocking that trauma. So, you know, I
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: still feel I've got a lot of work to do.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I want to go back and do the process again.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: But it is like having you know, talking to the
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: lads and the and the girls that went there who
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: were military veterans, they were like, this is like having
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: two years of therapy in one session.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: M hm m m.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: So it's incredible. There's a where where I'm studying at
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Monash University. There's a.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Part of I'm going to think called Brian Park, and
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: there's a whole there's a whole team working on plant
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: medicines and psilocybin and their applications for potentially for therapeutic.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Benefits. I think we're going to see. I think we're
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: going to see some of.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: These medicines that are not really conventional in Western countries
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: and not really accepted. I think over time they're going
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: to become more accepted and more understood. I think at
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: the moment there's a lot of and I'm not I
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: don't even pretend to understand it, but everyone. It's funny
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: because one of my best friends comes on this show
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: a bit. He's also he was in the military. He's Irish.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: His name's Paul Taylor, and he also was in the
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: middle of a fair bit of crap and yeah, he
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: did the same and he speaks about it with reverence,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: and you know, it's there's so much much about the
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: human condition, and you know, even even just the brain,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: like and I literally study in a place called which
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: is the neuroscience department in Monash University at the laboratory
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: is called Brain Park. And there I'm the dumbest person there, right,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: And but and even those all those people with three
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: PhDs and professors, and everyone's still figuring out the brain.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, we think we know.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: You know, we know more than we used to, but
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: we're still fucking scratching our heads and opening doors and
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: understanding and poking at things and trying to figure stuff out.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: So and I think there's also you know, one of
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: the pro one of the challenges I reckon to Ollie
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: is that some things that work don't with our current
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: level of understanding in science. They don't in inverted commas
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: make sense, but nonetheless they work right, and so people
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: are very skeptical. If you can't see it, feel it,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: touch at me, you know, analyze it, put it under
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: a microscope, well it's it's it's you know, it's it's
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: not real or it's not working, or it's just it's
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: a place e bow.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Or you know. I wanted to ask you because I
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: didn't could could you?
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: How did you get into like how on earth does
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: one come to rescue kids from child prostitution and slavery, Like,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: how did that even arise?
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, another good question, mate, But I was actually I'm
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: a big you know this word coincidence.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I don't believe in that word.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: I think things happened for a reason and some of
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: the things when I look back, you know, I was
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: actually at a party in Australia, in Brisbane. You know,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: bear in mind this is what some twenty odd years
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: after I passed my Special Forces selection. Anyway, I was
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: introduced to a guy that was from the UK there
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: who used to be in the middle you know. Someone said, oh,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: he's in the military, you know, and come and meet Simon.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: And then I went to meet Simon. As soon as
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: he opened his mouth, I remember, it took me back
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: to some kind of traumatic event in my life. And
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: then I started to think, I remember that voice from
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Special Forces selection and he was one of my interrogators.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Oh that's great. Yeah.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: So this is like twenty twenty five years later and
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, way were you? And I was like,
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: then we worked out the dates and I went Jesus Christ,
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: you would you talk me through selection? You were one
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: of those horrible people that you know, the final part
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: of my selection, you put me through.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: And you're welcome. You're welcome, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, now
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: get me a beer. Yeah.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: So so then it was like, you know, obviously we
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: were connected from that moment, but he was like, then
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: start to tell me about an organization in Australia called
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: the Gray Man that was rescuing kids from child prostitution
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: and slavery, and you know, I was like straight away,
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: you know, my ears pricked up. I'd come over to Australia,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: start to do working property and stuff like that, start
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: to get this stability, and there was almost a there
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: was the desire to sort of get back on the
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: tools and then be the drive because it was helping kids.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: And then see then being told I was then went
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: to someone's house where there was a presentation about you know, uh,
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: the issue, which is is human trafficking, and it was like,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: you know the fact that these kids are sold by
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: their parents was just for me. Then I had to
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: go and do something about it because you know, I
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: complained about my dad not being that emotional as a kid,
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: not getting a hug. He didn't sell me into the
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: skin trade, so he's not that bad a bloke, you know.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that really that I was like driven.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: I feel that was almost like my destiny, you know,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: It's like that was the universe helping I feel my
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: life looking looking back, you know, my purpose was in
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: this straight line moving forward to helping people in life.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I got veered off, which I think it was an
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: essential part of my journey to go off and do
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: the Special Forces and everything I learned, all that training.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't matter. It wasn't my purpose. But
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: then it took me back round. I then tripped over
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: this thing, and that was the gray Man. It then
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: triggered me back into driving me or making me understand
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: what my true purpose was.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: But it learnt.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: It helped me to have all these skills under my belt,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: which without without that, I wouldn't be able to do
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: the things that I was going to do to help
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: these kids. You know, I wouldn't have been on that
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: mission if I wasn't the next Special Forces soldier.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Then you know, because and that's why you said before,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: you know, you alluded to the fact you've probably got
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: no regrets. I have no regrets just because I went
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: off track a little bit. I had to do that,
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: and I had to do that to really you know,
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: it helped me grow in so many ways and obviously
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: taught me a few skills that are handy.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: But you know, it then brought me back to.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: That that situation in Thailand and then for the TV stuff.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: You know, when I came over to the UK.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: You know, my sole intention was like I had nothing,
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: I was broken, I was in a bad place, and
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: you know, in my head, right, I've got this thing.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: This is you know, I want to I want to
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: start this company called break Point, And I said before
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: the mission statement to create a globally identified brand recognized
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: for the positive growth and development of others. You imagine
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: what my internal brain is saying when I'm drinking too much,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: you know, taking valid to all sorts of abusive stuff,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: you know, this self destruction. My head is absolutely look
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: at you. Who the hell do you think you are?
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: How can you help anyone else? And that's what we do.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: You know, that's what happens you if you allow that
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: to consume you, You become a victim of your emotions,
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: you know, and that for me was so important at
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: that time. Yeah, okay, I understand that, but I'm casting
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: the stone of who I want to be and not
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: who I am, you know, And that was so important
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: for me to do that. And then, you know, three months,
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: I lot myself away to change the blueprint of who
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: I was. Meditation and visualization, everything I did on a
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: daily basis. I switched off the TV, didn't buy a newspaper,
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: and I just focused on me for three months. After
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: three months, I didn't recognize myself the person I was
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: that I went in there. And towards the back end
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: of that, I suddenly get a phone call, do you
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: want to be on this TV show? It was like
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: a gift from God. It was like, oh my god,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: this is incredible. That was then the platform that was
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: going to give me a voice. It was going to
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: create my exposure to do what I'm doing today. You know,
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: And I look back at that, Is that all coincidence?
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: If you think it's a coincidence in your life, is
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: a coincidence? And these things happen and you don't analyze
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: them and wonder why they're happening, then you're missing out.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: What are you? Was that? Mate?
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Well, they're coming back into Yeah, there are three months
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: and then the t they offer, Yeah, twenty fourteen, I
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: came back. I put myself into I've got a job
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: as soon as I came back, and then I doing
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: some stuff in London and then went right I was
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: getting lost into it and in living, you know, and
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: I said, right now, I'm going to stop this. I
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: put myself in the house in December twenty fourteen, and
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: it was it was February twenty fifteen when I actually
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: sort of left left the house. I'd left the house
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: to go out of exercise and buy stuff. But it
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: was two, you know, early twenty fifteen in February when
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: I left and got the opportunity to start the TV
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: show Did You?
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: And it was just you didn't do that as part
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: of the program. You did that by yourself. I did
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: that by myself.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: But I basically I was I was pulling in all
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: kinds of resources, you know, it was my I was
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: pulling all kinds of stuff, so all my visualization and everything.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: I was learning from different parts of you know, I
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: found on Google and stuff like that.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Bob Proctor, who was I don't know if everyone I
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: know who Bob Procter is. He's old school, yeah but great, yeah, yeah.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: So Bob proc to I, you know, I invested heavily
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: and I still I'm actually trained to be a Bob
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Proctor consultant almost. I think next week I'll get my
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: final assessment. And he was massively incremental in everything, you know,
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: just having that positive mindset, understand that we are energy,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: understand that visualization the power positive thought. You know, I've
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: had some crazy experiences in my life to prove that
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: that power of visualization, that power positive thought has so
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: much merit. You know, it's not voodoo, it's not woo woo,
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: it's absolutely you know, a lot of people go through
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: life being negative. Everything, every word that comes out their
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: mouth is negative, and they have ended up with negative
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: outcomes and everything. And then they look at people like
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: myself and probably yourself, Craig, who do you know, believe
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: in the positivity of visualization, and say, oh, that's a
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: load of rubbish. I'm quite happy, like you know, having
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: this repeat habit loop of absolutely nothing. But for me,
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: anyone out there that doesn't believe that yet absolutely missing out.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: What was it like opening the door on because obviously
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: it didn't set out to be a TV star And
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I mean I wouldn't really call you that like a
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: TV personality, because I think you kind of pretty much,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: you know, as close as you can on a reality
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: in inverted commas. Like I said, I was watching you before.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: This is me pumping up my own tires here look
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: at me. But before it used to be on SBS
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: in Australia at like some weird time, right like I
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: don't know eleven o'clock when it because nobody had heard
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: of it. It got no promotion and I stumbled across
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: it and I'm like, this is fucking great, Like this
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: is this is like actual reality TV. And I know
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: there's still an element of whatever, but it to me,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved you, I loved all of
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: the boys.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: It was great.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: And what was it like? Did you have to was
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: there any instruction? Was there any like how? I mean,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you've been asked this a million times. I
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: don't want to ask it, but how how much influenced
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: did directors and producers and lighting people and all that
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: shit have or were you well did you kind of
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: do your thing and they just worked around you?
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: Well the latter of what you've just said there really,
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, they came in, they did the framework, They
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: sourced everything from the internet, which is important because we've
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: signed a disclosure agreement, which is the Secrecy Act, so
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: it's important that they built that framework. Then they approached
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: they looked out in the world for Special Forces ex
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Special Forces soldiers and came across myself and the other
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: three lands. But really that was the beauty of the
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: show initially in the UK that sas who des Wins
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: that you know they did. They were the experts at
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: filming and doing the edit. We were the subject matter
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: experts when it came to the content. So really for
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: us to go in there, we've got to make it
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: as authentic as possible. Otherwise we would not be on
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: that show. We wouldn't do it.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: So it's do that.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: We're going to do this a little bit differently, however,
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: we're going to do it. So we had so much
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: input in the early days. When I say the early days,
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: as time went on with Sasuds winds in the UK,
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: that slowly got drawn away from us. We slowly got
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: pushed further away from the narrative. And that really for
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: me is when I started to lose my interest in it.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I was not enjoying it.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: I was enduring it, and that really was you know,
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: it's like had no I almost felt like when I
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: was going away to do the film and it was
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: like I was like, well, this is like a month
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: or two months out of my business. You know, my
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: business would sit still, and that's always the focus for me.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: The TV stuff really is a sideshow. But that is
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: why it's been so brilliant to come over and be
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: in Australia, because the Australian one goes back to those
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: early days of what we did initially. You know, it's
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: such a marriage. Now, it's such a great partnership because
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: they absolutely love the content that we bring. We help
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: direct everything. They listened to us, We listened to them.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: They come up with some great ideas and we reject
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: some we don't and it's a real you know, at
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: the end of the day, we come up with something
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: that's absolutely amazing, and the show like that has to
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: have that relationship. You can't have one side, either side
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: saying this is how it must be done. But really
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: the show itself is I don't think there's many shows
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: like it. It is the fly on the wall, you know,
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: with the cameras. The cameras just work around us and
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: there's a real relationship we have. You know an ant,
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: it's really strict. It's you know, making sure that the
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: TV crew and everyone and the media people do not
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: enter that bubble. We call it that bubble. You know,
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: we've got to make sure it's clinical, it's sterile. You know,
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: these celebrities that turn up, it's so funny when you
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: see them on day one and looking over their shoulder
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: for makeup and a latte and it doesn't turn up.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Some that come on, I'm like, fuck, you're going to
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: last to a lunchtime if you're lucky and invariably. I mean,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: has there been And for people who don't watch the show,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: this will be a redundant question, but yeah, has there
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: been one person in all the series, the series Comma
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: that you've done that you think that that really stood
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: out as being genuinely mentally physically tough.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: And if the answer is no, that's cool. But was
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: there a person or a couple of people that were
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: legitimately like really hard asses? Yeah?
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: I mean the Badger he was absolutely incredible. The Honey Badger, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: the Honey Badger he was brilliant. You know, he was
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: one of those guys that you knew unless he has
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: an injury, is going to absolutely smash this, you know
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: what I mean. It's like, but you know, there's been
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: lots of lots of people that have have that show
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: is amazing.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: The reason I love the celebrity version is the fact
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: that we create or we have you know, this is
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: then fueled by the media as well. But we and themselves,
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: of course, we have a perception of who that celebrity is,
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: is how they operate, how they you know, what their
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: what their characters like, everything else. They then come onto
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: that show and that show is probably the first time,
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: especially as a celebrity, you haven't got the ability to
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: design the perfect outcome. That's taken away from you. They're
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: put into a sense of vulnerable situations where they feel vulnerable.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: They've got this you know, this this sense of anxiety
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: because they don't know what's going on. And when that happens,
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: ego is gone. It's like ran out of there as
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: quickly as possible. So what then, what then happens is
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: their thoughts, their feelings, their reactions become extremely organic, they
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: become raw that then they start to be able to
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: look at themselves who they really are without the influence
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: of ego and designing that perfect outcome. Now, that's why
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: you get so much emotion on the show, and that
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: is so relative to Special Forces selection that that is
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: the most parallel thing that there is on that show.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: You know, it's the fact that we strip them down.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: They're beare naked when it comes to who they are
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: as a person. But the reason I like the celebrity
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: version is because we know what we think they are
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: when they come in. They they think there's something before
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: they come in. That process absolutely rinses and changes them.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: They come out the side a different person and people
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: can see that transformation happening. Yeah, and it's absolutely incredible
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: how that works. And the only people that do get
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: through that show are the ones that drop that ego
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: or you have no choice but to drop the ego.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: But they're there for themselves. They're there for themselves and
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: no one else. You know, they might turn up on
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: day one think I'm going to smash it on the
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: alpha male that or you know, a female, but you
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: know very quickly, A they understand they've got to work
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: with everyone else around them to get through this, and
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: B you've got to forget the outside world because you're
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: so under pressure that becomes irrelevant.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Before you and I went live, we chatted a little
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: bit about my study.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: You asked me a couple of questions and what was
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: I going to say?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I explained to you what external self awareness is,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: you know, your ability to kind of understand what it's
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: like being around Oli. What do you what do you
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: think the OLLI experiences for others? How do you think
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: it is to be around you? I know that's a
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: loaded question, And by this, I don't mean do you
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: think people like you?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: I don't mean do you think they like you?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: And I mean what do you think the Because part
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: of this comes from, like, I used to think people
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: saw me a certain way, and I discovered early on
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: that they actually a lot of people saw me a
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: different way. So I had to be not changed who
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: I was, but be aware of because I used to
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: get with you. I don't know if you've got I'm
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: sure you have with your background. People used to tell
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: me a lot that I was intimidating, and I'm like,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: but I don't at all. I've never felt intimidating. If anything,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: I've felt intimidated, like I've felt insecure and people like.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: No, you're intimidating. I'm like, how the fuck am I intimidating?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Like I just want everyone to love me.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing scure, Like I'm not scary at all, but that,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: And when i'd lecture university students or whatever, which I
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: did a bit of that, you know, I'd get that, yeah,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: like they like you, but they're a bit scared. Have
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: you have you had to adjust or have you had
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: insight into you that shocked you?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit, mate, But I mean I think related.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: That's an interesting point, you know, because I find that
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: interesting that It's like we become the mirror image, don't
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: we of ourselves?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: You know? We put out there, you know, like you
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: said there.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: You've you've you were the one that felt intimidated, but
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: you outwardly put the intimidation out to others. It's all
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: almost like a mirror reflection what's going on insides. It's
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: really interesting that. But you know, when I I've always thought,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: and I know this throughout my career. You know, obviously
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: I've got the wealth of experience behind me now. But
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: is the fact that I've always so so resonates with
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: me when I when I say to myself that I
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: am not everyone's cup of tea. I'm you shot of whiskey,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: and that when I say that, I know that I
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: am fairly intense. I also, you know, I'm quite sure
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: as well a lot of you know, sometimes a lot
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: of a lot of people feel like I'm straight to
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: the point. I can't be doing with the bullshit, you
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, I can't be doing with the
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: fluff around the situation or something that needs doing. So
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: I'm very direct when it comes to, you know, everyone,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: When I send some texts out to the people that
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: work with me, and don't I even get.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: A good morning, I'm I'm just trying to get something done, you.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Know, tips like that, I've got to butter up, I've
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: got to send a three or four compliments exactly right.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: It's a warmers before. But yeah, I'd say that I'm
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: extremely to the point. But really, I honestly, and I
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: think this comes down to, you know, I look at
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: leadership and stuff like that. I think it's I saw
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: something the other day that really resonated to me, and
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: that's the fact that some leaders think that the best
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: thing that they've got to do is get everyone to
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: think how good they are. And that is to some
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: respect true. But someone is someone that's an exceptional leader
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: has got to get the people around him to think
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: of how good they are themselves, you know. And I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: am always trying to get the best out of people,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: you know. Anyway, I've you know, since I've had a business,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: I've fallen out with more people than I've ever fallen
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: out within my life. And it's like anyone that comes
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: into the fold with me, I want to get the
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: best out of them. I want to really drain, you know,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: and show them the opportunities because I've in the last
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: what seven eight years, my life has changed dramatically, you know.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: And before that, I was bouncing around all over the place,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: not having a clue where I was going, what I
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: was doing, or who I was. And now I've you know,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: this awakening that I had in twenty fourteen, I now
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: wanted people. When I see people and I know that
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: they're in that same place I used to be, I
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: want to help them. I want to get them out
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: of that and shake the Some people aren't that way inclined,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: so that when I've tried, I can be a little
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: bit intense. I can expect too much of people. I
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: know that, but really, you know, at the end of
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: the day, I also and someone that I just want
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: to have a lot of fun, and that is why
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: I create around me. I don't call it work as such.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: I create an environment. I don't have people working for me.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: They work with me. And yeah, I just if anyone
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: thinks I'm a pain in the ass and they're in
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: the wrong business we have.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: We have a guy on once a fortnite called David
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Gillespie who's actually a lawyer by qualification, but he's a
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: researcher and he does a lot of It's written about
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: twenty books over here, a lot of best sellers. Really
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: good dude, And every fortnight he comes on and talks
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: about a range of stuff. And last time, not last time,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: the time before, we spoke about sociopaths and which I'm
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: sure you've dealt with quite a few on both sides
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: of the fence. He suggested that I just want to
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: know how you feel about this number. I'm about to
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: wheel out whether or not you think it's over or
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: under or right. So he said that the average percent
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: about three percent of the population are sociopaths, not psychopaths,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: but sociopaths as in don't really feel anything for people,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: have no compassion, no empathy. It's about three percent of
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: sociopaths the average. The percentage in prisons generally is closer
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: to twenty percent, and the percentage of leaders and CEOs
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: is closer to twenty percent.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: I'd say that's about spot on, But I reckon. I reckon,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: to be honest, there's more sociopaths than three percent out there.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people just sugarcoat who they are. Yeah,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: you know, when the ship hits the fan and the
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: pressure is on, they become sociopaths.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the thing too, is oli And we'll
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: wind up on this because I know you've got to go,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: but we you know, some some sociopaths are really charismatic
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  Speaker 2: and charming and highly intelligent and gregarious and they can
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  Speaker 2: fucking turn it on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what, mate, I've heard this before
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  Speaker 3: that you know they relate to good people of a
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  Speaker 3: good number of people in the special forces as that narrative.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we appreciate you, sir, so thank you so much
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  Speaker 2: for your time. Now the name of your company is
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  Speaker 2: Don't Tell me Breakpoint. The name of your book is Breakpoint.
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  Speaker 2: You've written a couple How do people find you? Follow you,
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  Speaker 2: connect with you. We have quite a few listeners in
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  Speaker 2: the UK as well, but I'm sure you can do
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  Speaker 2: online stuff around the world or at least connect with people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, that's a big thing we're engaging in now. We're
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  Speaker 3: actually taking everything online. So you know, if anyone, I
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  Speaker 3: think the best place for anyone to go is to Google.
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  Speaker 3: Google putting Oliolton, s A s, whose airs wins or
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  Speaker 3: just Oli Olton. You'll find me on there. But Instagram
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  Speaker 3: Oli dot Olerton and yeah you'll you'll find all the
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  Speaker 3: channels there, all the website Oliolaton dot co dot UK.
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  Speaker 1: Perfect. Stay there. We'll say goodbye off here, but thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much for your time. Mate. We appreciate you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, it's been a pleasure talking to you. Great
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  Speaker 1: and to you tiff thank you, thank you, Thanks Tiffany
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  Speaker 1: and Cook. Thanks everyone,