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Shocking cause of death of tot girl, Mariah Woods · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Grace on Sirius x M Triumph Channel one thirty two.
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Speaker 1: The search is still on tonight for three year old
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Speaker 1: Mariah Woods. The girl was last seen by her mother
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Speaker 1: her home and on his locality. The mother told me
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Speaker 1: she last saw her daughter in the home at around
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Speaker 1: eleven pm when she checked on her. This is my world,
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Speaker 1: this is my angel. She said. Her boyfriend saw the
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Speaker 1: taller around midnight when he got up, and she says
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Speaker 1: he told her to go back to bed. Remains believed
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Speaker 1: to be the little girl were discovered along the highway.
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Speaker 1: Now there's an arrest thirty two year old girl, Camry,
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Speaker 1: Mariah's mother's boyfriend. No one is charged with causing her death.
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Speaker 1: Henry's charges only include concealing a death, an obstruction of justice.
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Speaker 1: More charges likely to follow and maybe others charged. We
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Speaker 1: are not ruling anything up. Imagine waking up to find
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Speaker 1: your three year old taught girl is gone. You search
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Speaker 1: all the bedrooms, you look in the dan, you look
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Speaker 1: at her hiding places, then you look outside, then you
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Speaker 1: look in the car, then you look around the yard,
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Speaker 1: and then it sinks in. She's gone. A three year
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Speaker 1: old taught girl vanishes from the family home in North Carolina,
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Speaker 1: and today a bombshell that is cracking the case wide open.
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us, joining me. Forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: renowned New York psychologist, Dr Karen Stark, Ashley Wilcott, lawyer,
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Speaker 1: child advocate, and joining me special guest investigative reporter from
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Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaily News, Mike McHugh. Mike, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Take me back to the night that
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Speaker 1: Mariah Woods goes missing. Well, it's started on a beautiful
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Speaker 1: Monday morning here in Oslo County, Downslow County, North Carolina,
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Speaker 1: on November the Hall went into the Emergency Operations Center
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Speaker 1: appropiately around six thirty and law enforcement went out to
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Speaker 1: this area, sent a rural part of Honslo County, and
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Speaker 1: they began searching for a three year old missing girl
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Speaker 1: and that we were notified UM in the middle part
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Speaker 1: of the morning, and UM I went out there and
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Speaker 1: when I when I arrived on scene, there were a helicopter.
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Speaker 1: There was a helicopter flying over the house at a
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Speaker 1: low altitude, UM scanning the woods behind the home. And
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Speaker 1: Sheriff Hans Miller was about to UM start a small
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Speaker 1: interview with two TV stations and myself. It was in
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Speaker 1: the morning. Let me get my climbing straight, let me
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Speaker 1: get my timing straight. With me on the scene. Mike McHugh,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. Mike, you go there immediately when you learned
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Speaker 1: the three year old girl was missing. There's a helicopter
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Speaker 1: hovering above their sheriff is in the front yard, the
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Speaker 1: press is there. This all starts at six thirty in
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Speaker 1: the morning and that is about the time the nine
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Speaker 1: one one call comes in. What do we learn about
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Speaker 1: the night before? When was Mariah last seen? Well, that
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Speaker 1: was one of the challenges the investigators had was to
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Speaker 1: create a timeline and asked Pete and to find out
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Speaker 1: when she was last seen. They had gone up as
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Speaker 1: a family to the Raleigh area where Mr. Kimry's people
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Speaker 1: are from, and m They returned back Sunday night to
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Speaker 1: their home. That is to say, the two boys ages
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Speaker 1: five and ten, and Mariah aged three, and Christie and Earl.
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Speaker 1: So the five of them returned back to Onslo County
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Speaker 1: sometime Sunday evening. They go to bed that night. Correct, uh,
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Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. They go to bed that
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Speaker 1: night and the mom, Christie says the baby Mariah gets
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Speaker 1: up around midnight and the Livian Earl Kimry takes her
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Speaker 1: back to bed, puts her back in bed and he
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Speaker 1: comes and gets back in bed. That's my understanding the
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Speaker 1: way it goes down, and that's our understanding as well too,
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Speaker 1: as far as what we've heard and what what they
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Speaker 1: have said, um and what law enforcement has said. As
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, take a listen to the mom's
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Speaker 1: desperate ply to find her baby. Please bring her back
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Speaker 1: and I love her. Do anything that I can't. Whatever
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Speaker 1: you want to break her home, Please safe the sound.
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Speaker 1: She's my baby, She's by everything. What does she means
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Speaker 1: to you and your family in this community? She's like
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Speaker 1: an angel. I have my toothes tied and burnt on
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Speaker 1: each side. I felt out I was pregnant with her,
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Speaker 1: so we call her our little angel. She's got the
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Speaker 1: personality of make you laugh. She's goofy, outgoing, talkative. She
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Speaker 1: knows how to make your day brighter. A lot to
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Speaker 1: this community and people that are here looking for her.
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Speaker 1: Love her to death. What would it means for you
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Speaker 1: to see her face again? Everything in the world, just
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Speaker 1: to be able to touch her and hold her, not
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Speaker 1: let her go again? Give anything tack Donsla County Sheriff Department,
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Speaker 1: Please and let us know. And if whoever has her,
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Speaker 1: please I'm begging you bring her home safe. So we
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Speaker 1: take it from there, and then explosive claims arise. We
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Speaker 1: learned that the timeline may not be as it has
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Speaker 1: been stated, the entire investigation is thrown into, you know, disarray.
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Speaker 1: The timeline is everything to Joseph's got Morgan forensics expert
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Speaker 1: for a professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University. Why
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Speaker 1: is the timeline so crucial Joe Scott Morgan, Well, because
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Speaker 1: that's what the entire case is built upon, Nancy, establishment
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Speaker 1: of where this child was at what time she was
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Speaker 1: last seen. And also it goes to individuals in the
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Speaker 1: future trying to aliby themselves as you well know over
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Speaker 1: cases that that you've worked over the years. Uh, the
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Speaker 1: devil is in the details and people trying to justify
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Speaker 1: their placement, the placement of victims, the placement of assailants,
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Speaker 1: and it paints a picture when you finally get into
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Speaker 1: court of what actually happened for that jury, and it's
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Speaker 1: a very compelling piece of information. One other part here, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: is if we're looking for a body, for instance, from
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Speaker 1: a forensic perspective, timeline is important for us because if
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Speaker 1: you've got an into an individual that is telling us
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Speaker 1: something as far as when the person was last seen,
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Speaker 1: but that doesn't marry Up, for instance, would say the
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Speaker 1: decompositional changes in a body, then you know that something stinks.
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Speaker 1: We believe arrived at the home and a very bucolic
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Speaker 1: and rural setting, very low crime rate. They learned that
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Speaker 1: Mariah's home showed no signs of forced entry, no indication
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Speaker 1: whatsoever an outsider had entered the home. There were five
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Speaker 1: people in the home that night. As Mike mqugh is
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Speaker 1: telling us, you've got the mother, Christie, the longtime boyfriend
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Speaker 1: Earl Kimry, and the three children, a ten year old boy,
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Speaker 1: a five year old boy, and three year old Mariah Woods.
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Speaker 1: Why her now? According to police, the mom, Christie Woods,
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Speaker 1: tells police quote, the last time I saw her was
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Speaker 1: around eleven p m. Sunday when I went to check
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Speaker 1: on her. Now that right there, already, Karen Stark, veteran
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Speaker 1: New York psychologists joining me. Right there, we've got the
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Speaker 1: other statement that she saw her at twelve o'clock when
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Speaker 1: the child woke up in the night and wandered into
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Speaker 1: mom's bedroom. Right, that's two conflicting statements, right, there. I
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Speaker 1: know it sounds um like not a significant conflict, but
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Speaker 1: it is because I can tell you last night when
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Speaker 1: I saw the children last before I got up this morning.
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Speaker 1: All right, I distinctly remember it. So how could it
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Speaker 1: be when I put her to bed? But oh, waite noe.
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Speaker 1: Then in another statement, it was at midnight when she
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Speaker 1: wandered into my room. Well, that tells you that something
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Speaker 1: is going on and that she's cooking up some kind
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Speaker 1: of a different story. And especially like you said, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: a mother would know when she saw her child last.
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Speaker 1: So she's telling one story and then all of a
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Speaker 1: sudden she remember as well, no, she actually did get up.
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Speaker 1: You have a child that's missing. All of a sudden
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Speaker 1: sheer remembers that she got up. There's something wrong that
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Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. Now we know that it is the
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Speaker 1: mother that goes in and finds her missing the next morning,
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Speaker 1: and very often, to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, that's where
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Speaker 1: we're start an investigation. Who discovers the child is missing?
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Speaker 1: It was the mother? Correct, Yeah, yeah, it was. And
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Speaker 1: you know what, mother doesn't go in and check on
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Speaker 1: her children, and you can imagine the terror that rose
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Speaker 1: up within her relative to this um And again this
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Speaker 1: is this is the point in time where we begin
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Speaker 1: to physically establish a timeline from an investigative standpoint. Uh,
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Speaker 1: that's gonna be uh pinned in time relative to the cops,
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Speaker 1: because when the police show up at the scene, they're
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Speaker 1: gonna ask for clarity on this point. And I'm talking
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Speaker 1: about the initial officers. I'm not talking about detectives. When
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Speaker 1: did you last see the child? When did you last
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Speaker 1: see the child? Did you get up during the middle
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Speaker 1: of the night. Did you hear her moving around dur
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. Are you sure about
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Speaker 1: that time when you woke up? So this is this
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Speaker 1: is imperative. It is absolutely imperative that you established this
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Speaker 1: tom and the point in time in which she found
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Speaker 1: are discovered that the child was missing from the home.
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Speaker 1: Then we learned the horrific discovery. Just a couple of
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Speaker 1: days later, Mariah's remains are found. At first, not sure
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Speaker 1: it was her, face down, the three year old little
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Speaker 1: girl in a creek a creek shelter creek along Shaw
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Speaker 1: Highway in Pender County, North Carolina. The child missing since Sunday.
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Speaker 1: When investigators discover remains, they believe to be the little girl?
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Speaker 1: How did this little girl go from sleeping in her
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Speaker 1: bed a three year old? Talk? Every photo I see
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Speaker 1: of her, she's decked out in peak u w airing
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Speaker 1: um a tiara or a headband, and little fake ear
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Speaker 1: rings and little socks and shoes with her baby doll
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Speaker 1: in pink and even a pink baby bottle for the
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Speaker 1: baby doll, always perfectly appointed in every way. How did
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Speaker 1: this beautiful angel end up from her home sleeping in
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Speaker 1: the room next to mommy and her brothers in the home.
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Speaker 1: How did she end up face down dead in a creek? Well,
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Speaker 1: now an explosive discovery has cracked the case wide open.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what the distraught father tells us.
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Speaker 1: Have they told you how they think she was killed? Alex, No,
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Speaker 1: not yet. They as soon as they found her body,
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Speaker 1: they rushed their us Greenville, North Carolina. Well, they was
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Speaker 1: gonna perform the autopsy and I'll find out further information
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Speaker 1: on how, when, why not? Why? But how and when
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Speaker 1: and all that information? Alex. Do they believe that Mariah
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Speaker 1: was molested? I have not. I do not know that
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Speaker 1: me They can I have yes, I think so. I
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Speaker 1: hope him, pray not just for the peace of mind.
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Speaker 1: But I think so, yes, I have not heard that
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Speaker 1: from nobody, because you know, they're now just doing the altosic.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know Alex was she clothed when she
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Speaker 1: was found. I had no idea. They did not tell me.
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Speaker 1: All they told me was that they found my baby girl.
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Speaker 1: They frown Mariah about twenty minutes away from where we're
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Speaker 1: twenty away from our home. Before we take you back
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Speaker 1: in the search for three year old Mariah Woods. Then
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Speaker 1: explosive documents are revealed. I have them here with me,
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Speaker 1: and they are Defects Department Family Children's Services documents where
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Speaker 1: it is alleged to live in boyfriend ed Kimry had
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Speaker 1: been abusing, had been sexually abusing baby Maria. How do
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Speaker 1: we know? According to the documents, one of the brothers
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Speaker 1: observed it. Not only that there had been a previous
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Speaker 1: issue where one of the brothers had been beaten allegedly
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Speaker 1: by Camra. And it all blows up during the search
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Speaker 1: for baby Mariah when her body is found faced down
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Speaker 1: in that creek miles away from home in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the night, all h e double ale breaks wide open.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what the local sheriff says today.
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Speaker 1: We reached enough probam costs to charge Mr kim from
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Speaker 1: murder because it took a long time to do that,
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Speaker 1: but we wanted to make sure that the protocol was
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Speaker 1: probably followed, that the report was received from the medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: and sometimes science takes a little bit longer, so that
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Speaker 1: was the delay. Now, most citizens have been very patient
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Speaker 1: with this, uh, but I think those who were not,
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Speaker 1: we would like them to know that we have an obligation,
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Speaker 1: we have a responsibility to follow a good protocol. To
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Speaker 1: make sure that we present a case to the district attorney,
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Speaker 1: that is that he can provide the court. So there's
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Speaker 1: going to be justice from Maria. Justice from Mariya is
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Speaker 1: something that was heard a lot in our county. Because
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Speaker 1: this county came together. We've had support from the federal government.
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Speaker 1: We've held support from military, We've had support from the state,
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Speaker 1: We've had support from other local agencies, law enforcement, fire,
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Speaker 1: h E, M, s UM, social, any kind of human
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Speaker 1: services that we actually had. The business community came out
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Speaker 1: and supported us because we were very busy and during
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Speaker 1: the search we had intended to make sure that everything
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Speaker 1: was followed. The protocol must be followed, and it was
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Speaker 1: done properly. So today we've reached Um the position where
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Speaker 1: we could charge Um the defendant with murder. The defendant
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Speaker 1: was already in custody, so he was not going to
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Speaker 1: go anywhere. Will there be a more rest Well, arrests
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Speaker 1: in our system of justice, and arrest is only made
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Speaker 1: if probable cause is achieved. We have tried very actively
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Speaker 1: to explore every lead, every h every bit of evidence
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Speaker 1: was used and h As this point, we do not
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Speaker 1: have any additional evidence that would lead to another arrest.
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Speaker 1: That does not mean that this investigation is closed. That
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Speaker 1: means that we're just not there to make another rest.
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Speaker 1: At this point. The mother, Christie Woods, has been UH
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Speaker 1: involved in helping with this. She has been coroberative and
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Speaker 1: that she has provided information that let to this investigation.
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Speaker 1: And UH again to re answer the other question about
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Speaker 1: any additional arrests, This investigation is not over. However, we
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Speaker 1: have to make sure that we have probable cause without
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Speaker 1: probably cause. Low rest was what motivated what what prompted
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Speaker 1: this this murder? Well, that will be up to the
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Speaker 1: prosecutor to bring out in court and it will up
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Speaker 1: to the defense. So that dot it's another court case.
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Speaker 1: We have been very active with the District Attorney's office.
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Speaker 1: District Attorney Earning Lead has provided some very helpful information
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Speaker 1: to my investigators, and he has all the information that
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Speaker 1: we have and he asked us to protect the court case.
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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what we're doing. We're putting out to
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Speaker 1: the public any information that we can put out without
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Speaker 1: jeopardizing the case and in court. And once again, the
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Speaker 1: medical examiners report yesterday is one web to today. Yes Um,
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Speaker 1: we had to make sure that we have the actual
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Speaker 1: cause of death. We had suspicions, but until we get
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Speaker 1: the actual report. Until we have the report in hand,
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Speaker 1: then we it's a suspicion whether any visual signs of
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Speaker 1: a sexual thought. Well, again, that's going to be part
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Speaker 1: of the court and I don't Well, I understand that
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Speaker 1: you want a lot more information. So we asked to
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Speaker 1: ask you to place respect us and let that case
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Speaker 1: come out in court. Let that information come out in court,
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Speaker 1: because we don't want to jeopanize the more case and
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Speaker 1: we certainly do not want to poison to the jury.
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Speaker 1: Bold sure up your father or grandfather. Obviously, this case
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Speaker 1: has become something that's not only incredibly taxing, but something
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Speaker 1: that you that's stuck with you. I imagine something that
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Speaker 1: you take home with you from the office. Tell me
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Speaker 1: about this case and how it's affected you and your
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Speaker 1: law enforcement officers. Well, it was not only myself, because
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Speaker 1: obviously this community was affected by that father's mother's and
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Speaker 1: uncle's sisters, brothers. When a little child uh is murdered, um,
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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it's if you're a human being,
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Speaker 1: you have to be affected by it. But not only that.
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Speaker 1: This is the stunner. While Mariah Woods's little body was
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Speaker 1: in the county morgue. We couldn't seem to find out
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Speaker 1: the cause of death. It was guarded very secretly. We
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Speaker 1: were wondering, what's taking so long, what's happening? What will
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Speaker 1: it reveal to Mike mheugh, reporter joining us there from
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Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Daily News. Mike mckugh, this has correct whole
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Speaker 1: thing wide open. What have you just learned? Well, we
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Speaker 1: learned that the cause of death, what what took young
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Speaker 1: Mariah Um life was chloroform toxicity and UM. This came
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Speaker 1: out in the warrants that were served to Earl Earl
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Speaker 1: Kimmery his aggrest lawrants UH. In addition to the murder charge,
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Speaker 1: he was then charged as well with um child child
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Speaker 1: abuse and slicking serious injury, and in that it read
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Speaker 1: that he did intentionally inflick serious bodily injury chloroform toxicity
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Speaker 1: born Mariah kay Woods. I gotta tell you, Karen Stark
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Speaker 1: renounce psychologist joining me out of New York in a nutshell.
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Speaker 1: I'm blown away. I mean, this gets rid of any
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Speaker 1: suggestion that there had been an accident in the home
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Speaker 1: and they were afraid, and that they got rid of
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Speaker 1: the body, which to me, is completely far fetched. If
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Speaker 1: there's an accident, you call nine one one, Karen Start,
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Speaker 1: You lived through it with me when my son John
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Speaker 1: David had a horrific blow to the head. I don't
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Speaker 1: know how I picked him up. I don't know how
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Speaker 1: I did it, and climbed for four flights of steps
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Speaker 1: with him in my arms, with me screaming, did somebody
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Speaker 1: go get my car? I don't have time for an ambulance.
24:17
Speaker 1: Even I didn't go drag his body off and and
24:23
Speaker 1: hide it for Pete's sake. But I mean, I my
24:26
Speaker 1: mind was open to entertain there had been some freak
24:29
Speaker 1: accident and they were afraid they'd lose custody. Blah blah blah.
24:34
Speaker 1: My mind was open. But this rules any possibility of
24:39
Speaker 1: an accident out chloroform, Karen Starting, that's premeditated. And it
24:45
Speaker 1: also this what we've learned now that there was a
24:50
Speaker 1: little boy, her brother who actually is reporting that there
24:56
Speaker 1: was abuse of this little girl. And then you start
24:59
Speaker 1: to think, man, what was going on in this household?
25:02
Speaker 1: Where was the mother? How much did she need to
25:05
Speaker 1: be with this boyfriend that she was allowing this or
25:09
Speaker 1: aware of this and doing nothing about it. Straight back
25:13
Speaker 1: to Mike McHugh. Also joining me is Joe Scott Morgan,
25:17
Speaker 1: forensics expert Professor Forensics at Jacksonville State University. To Joseph
25:22
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, explain to me the whole chloroform. I mean
25:27
Speaker 1: it brings to mine top mom, Casey Anthony, who had
25:31
Speaker 1: been searching how to make homemade chloroform, and we find
25:36
Speaker 1: traces of chloroform substance, you know, related to little Kelley's death.
25:42
Speaker 1: What is chloroform? I always call it the knockout drug,
25:46
Speaker 1: but it's not to be confused with gamma hi joxy
25:49
Speaker 1: beauty rate, the date rape drug. Talk to me about chloroform.
25:52
Speaker 1: School me, Joe Scott Morgan in words, regular people like
25:57
Speaker 1: me can understand. Joe Scott, don't go all war for on,
26:01
Speaker 1: you know the technical lingo go, well, you're right, it's
26:05
Speaker 1: not GHB nancy. Chloroform has got a long history and
26:08
Speaker 1: I won't go into every bit of it, but just
26:10
Speaker 1: suffice it to say that when it was initially synthesized
26:14
Speaker 1: back in the early eight hundreds, people saw it as
26:17
Speaker 1: a way to use for anesthesia. But then one of
26:21
Speaker 1: the things they discovered with development of ether was that
26:25
Speaker 1: chloroform was highly unstable and it could be volatile for
26:30
Speaker 1: one and secondly, it could be highly toxic. That's what
26:34
Speaker 1: we have in this case and what it had. What
26:37
Speaker 1: happens is is that it's not something you can just
26:40
Speaker 1: run out to the store and buy. Uh. Certain people
26:43
Speaker 1: have the ability to buy it, but it can, like
26:45
Speaker 1: you mentioned, it can be uh produced or synthesized at home,
26:50
Speaker 1: but you have to have the ability to do this
26:54
Speaker 1: and the knowledge to do it. Um. How does it
26:57
Speaker 1: affect a person? Well, UH, I'll tell yeah, um it
27:01
Speaker 1: it has a direct impact on UM on the nervous system.
27:06
Speaker 1: It also causes your liver uh to shut down, which
27:09
Speaker 1: is called hepatic failure. UH. And it also causes the
27:13
Speaker 1: kidneys UM to to shut down. And one of the
27:17
Speaker 1: things that keeps us kind of moving and grooving in
27:20
Speaker 1: this life and and gives us life is the substance
27:23
Speaker 1: of potassium. And it blocks the uptake of potassium that
27:27
Speaker 1: causes the kid needs to shut down. It's highly toxic
27:31
Speaker 1: even in small doses. And I can imagine whoever ad
27:34
Speaker 1: ministered this to her has no clinical background. We'll just
27:39
Speaker 1: go ahead and say that UM and doesn't understand how
27:43
Speaker 1: it is it ministered um and it goes to what
27:47
Speaker 1: Karen and you were talking about just a second ago.
27:50
Speaker 1: To me, I like to use two words specific intent.
27:53
Speaker 1: Why are you going to apply chloroform to a small child?
27:59
Speaker 1: Not even me? Up? Okay, as you're sitting here talking
28:03
Speaker 1: and all of your lingo that you lost me. After
28:06
Speaker 1: about fifteen seconds, I said, how do you make chloroform?
28:10
Speaker 1: And I don't know what happened after that. That's the
28:13
Speaker 1: last thing I remember. I blacked out on about your
28:16
Speaker 1: third sentence. So I went to Google, and of course
28:20
Speaker 1: first I put how to make sh and he came
28:23
Speaker 1: up chilly. Okay, that was my obviously my last search.
28:27
Speaker 1: Now I got to chloroform, Joseph Scott Morgan. They even
28:29
Speaker 1: have little tutorial videos. Look Jackie, how to make chloroform,
28:33
Speaker 1: and they've got a big thing of bleach right there.
28:36
Speaker 1: I actually, here's how to make chloroform at home. You
28:40
Speaker 1: know what, if somebody got ahold of my iPhone, they'd
28:43
Speaker 1: think I was the next top mom. How do you
28:45
Speaker 1: make chloroform at home? Why would anybody be looking at it?
28:48
Speaker 1: I've said that a million times. Why would you look
28:49
Speaker 1: that up? And here I am looking it up. You
28:51
Speaker 1: have proceeded by using the holiform reaction of bleach and acetone.
28:58
Speaker 1: What do I need to make to this? What are
29:00
Speaker 1: my ingredients? Not that I want to help anybody out,
29:03
Speaker 1: but how do you make it? What? What goes into it?
29:06
Speaker 1: Well that's one of the things I was trying to
29:10
Speaker 1: avoid that, but yeah, it does require bleach. You can
29:13
Speaker 1: use common household bleach in order to floor form in
29:16
Speaker 1: a spray bottle is quite flammable. Can you just answer simply?
29:22
Speaker 1: This is now my fourth time asking you how do
29:25
Speaker 1: I make chloroform at home? Obviously I need bleach because
29:28
Speaker 1: I can see that picture. Oh it's making me go
29:30
Speaker 1: so to another a super secret website. Okay, I'm gonna
29:34
Speaker 1: keep going continue with Google. So how do I make it?
29:37
Speaker 1: Is Google gonna beat you? Or do you know the answer? No,
29:41
Speaker 1: I'll let you go ahead and run with Google. Okay, Okay,
29:44
Speaker 1: stop everything because I've got to actually look it up. Now.
29:47
Speaker 1: What you need is acid tone and a gallon of
29:50
Speaker 1: six percent sodium hodge chloride bleach. I guess that is
29:54
Speaker 1: just very simply bleach that you use um with your laundry.
30:00
Speaker 1: Poor bleach and a large glass container. So you can
30:02
Speaker 1: see it and then you add in the acetone. I
30:07
Speaker 1: think it's just as simple as that. Um, so tell
30:12
Speaker 1: me Joe Scott Morgan in regular people talk, Please you
30:17
Speaker 1: make the chloroform out of bleach and acetone, and then
30:23
Speaker 1: how would we find it? If it's breathable, if it
30:28
Speaker 1: was held over, Mariah would say nose and mouth in
30:32
Speaker 1: order to knock her out two potentially, I guess, assault her.
30:39
Speaker 1: How do you find that post mortem? How does that
30:42
Speaker 1: display or manifest in a dead body? Uh? Yeah, that's
30:47
Speaker 1: why it's taking the toxicology to come back for so long.
30:50
Speaker 1: Remember her body was found back in early December. This
30:53
Speaker 1: is chloroform is not something that you're going to look
30:56
Speaker 1: for on a standard panel, uh, toxicology panel. So what
31:00
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to do is, particularly considering that her
31:04
Speaker 1: little body was decomposing at this point in time, this
31:08
Speaker 1: is going to be totally reliant upon tissue samples. So
31:12
Speaker 1: they will go and take samples from the lungs and
31:15
Speaker 1: other tissues that are still viable in the body. And
31:18
Speaker 1: when I say viable, I mean like that can be examined,
31:22
Speaker 1: um even after this period of time, and look for
31:26
Speaker 1: traces of it. In there, and that's why it's taken
31:29
Speaker 1: so very long in order to get the toxic college back.
31:33
Speaker 1: One of the things that people have to understand. Chloroform
31:35
Speaker 1: is a naturally occurring substance. It's given off in plant life.
31:41
Speaker 1: Even you can find it in seaweed, you can find
31:43
Speaker 1: it in fungus, all these things that are in the
31:46
Speaker 1: organic world, you can find it. So when they're when
31:50
Speaker 1: they're doing the examination in the laboratory, they have to
31:54
Speaker 1: account for the natural occurrence of chloroform in nature as opposed. Okay,
32:01
Speaker 1: just stop right there. A three year old little girl
32:04
Speaker 1: at asleep at night with her mom and dad is
32:06
Speaker 1: not going to be out in healing chloroform from plants
32:10
Speaker 1: to the extent that she dies. That's not That's not
32:14
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's what it stars environment. And she's
32:18
Speaker 1: decomposing in this environment, which is a watery environment with
32:21
Speaker 1: fungus and moss and all these other things, and you
32:24
Speaker 1: have to account for that when you're doing the examination postmortem.
32:29
Speaker 1: So they have to delineate between us two. That's why
32:31
Speaker 1: it takes along to get these examinations back from the
32:34
Speaker 1: State Crime Lab. And they want to make sure that
32:38
Speaker 1: every dot and tittle is covered in this before they
32:43
Speaker 1: come forward with this information. That's why it's taken so long,
32:46
Speaker 1: so the amount used ends up killing her. To Mike Mhugh,
32:50
Speaker 1: our reporter joining us with the Jacksonville Daily News with
32:53
Speaker 1: this latest discovery, is this the co d cause of death?
33:01
Speaker 1: Is it chloroform death? Or was she strangled? Or what
33:04
Speaker 1: might make you well? I think I think this last
33:09
Speaker 1: conversation is going through the supposition that the chloroform was
33:12
Speaker 1: applied to the child's face. Um, could it not be
33:15
Speaker 1: that the child was in an environment where chloroform was present? Perhaps, um,
33:20
Speaker 1: some illicit activity like we have in this area. We
33:23
Speaker 1: have meth amphetamine labs and if you look at meth
33:27
Speaker 1: what would chloroform do be doing in a metham I
33:30
Speaker 1: think it's used well, it could very well be a
33:32
Speaker 1: bi product or an agent to purify take out contaminants
33:38
Speaker 1: of meth amphetamines. Let me efinitly definitely throw this into
33:40
Speaker 1: the mix and then and then we can we can
33:42
Speaker 1: talk about it. When I arrived out at the scene, again,
33:45
Speaker 1: it was around eleven thirty on Monday morning. She had
33:47
Speaker 1: been reported missing for several hours. I walked down to
33:50
Speaker 1: the home itself. It was roped off with crime scene tape.
33:53
Speaker 1: But what I noticed were three investments I'm sorry to
33:56
Speaker 1: investigators in white has at suits topped the bottom, crawling
34:01
Speaker 1: underneath the home what would be the kitchen area, which
34:04
Speaker 1: was in the rear portion of the home. UM, they
34:07
Speaker 1: would emerge from the house, they would go back under.
34:09
Speaker 1: They did this for two days and I asked, I said,
34:13
Speaker 1: why are they there? Why are they in that that
34:15
Speaker 1: type of suit? And UM, they would tell me that
34:17
Speaker 1: they were there looking for UM, they were inspecting the house.
34:21
Speaker 1: They were trying to preserve the crime scene and if
34:23
Speaker 1: they came in contact with any evidence, that's why they
34:26
Speaker 1: were in the hazmat suits. I've seen when the SBI
34:29
Speaker 1: that's the State year of Investigation, UM investigates and and
34:32
Speaker 1: bus study in mess lab they wear the similar They
34:35
Speaker 1: were similar outfits. I'm making a stretch. But you know,
34:38
Speaker 1: when I read when I saw the report yesterday in
34:40
Speaker 1: Chlorison thought it started started to connect some of the
34:43
Speaker 1: dots that I had seen early on in the investigation.
34:46
Speaker 1: And let me just say this, this, this this stays
34:48
Speaker 1: with me. It'll stay with me till the day I died.
34:51
Speaker 1: I was standing next to Mariah's home the afternoon of
34:55
Speaker 1: her disappearance, and I was talking with a woman who
34:58
Speaker 1: is the preacher's wife there of their church. And Ann
35:02
Speaker 1: Edwards would drive Mariah to Chapel Hill for her medical treatments.
35:06
Speaker 1: Never the child had ambulatory issues with her legs, so
35:09
Speaker 1: she would make the three hour trek up to Chapel
35:12
Speaker 1: Hill in North Carolina with the child, just her and
35:15
Speaker 1: the child. The family. The mother trusted her with that
35:17
Speaker 1: that trip, and so she would do this. I said
35:21
Speaker 1: to Anne, I said, trying to get an idea of
35:24
Speaker 1: the layout of the home. I said, where was Mariah's bedroom?
35:27
Speaker 1: And she's hearing Mike, I don't know. I said, what
35:29
Speaker 1: do you mean you don't know? You pick up the child,
35:31
Speaker 1: you take her to Chapel Hill, you bring her back home.
35:33
Speaker 1: I've never been allowed inside the home. Earl always meets
35:37
Speaker 1: me at the door, she hands he hands off Mariah
35:40
Speaker 1: to me. When I returned, I give him back. I
35:43
Speaker 1: have never seen the inside of the home. They moved
35:46
Speaker 1: in that home in August. Before I take you back
35:49
Speaker 1: to the scene and what the sheriff is telling us,
35:51
Speaker 1: I want to pause and thank our partner making our
35:54
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35:59
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37:32
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Daily News. That leads me to the question
37:36
Speaker 1: of the mother. How could she not know what was
37:39
Speaker 1: going on in the home? Mike meet Hugh, what do
37:42
Speaker 1: we know about possible charges on Christie Woods? Well, it's uh.
37:47
Speaker 1: In the press conference held yesterday after him Mary's first appearance,
37:52
Speaker 1: UM Sheriff Fons Miller came out and he was asked
37:54
Speaker 1: that question and right at the moment, there's no probable
37:57
Speaker 1: cause uh to pursue charges UM on anybody in the case.
38:01
Speaker 1: But that has been the resounding question throughout the community, UM,
38:05
Speaker 1: both you know, with citizens and in the in the
38:08
Speaker 1: courthouse and uh where everywhere you go in town. The
38:11
Speaker 1: mother had to know. This story exploded in this community.
38:15
Speaker 1: We hadn't seen a story like this since ten years
38:18
Speaker 1: ago when Caesar Laurien uh killed Maria lauterback in his garage,
38:22
Speaker 1: and that there was the same question that was floated
38:24
Speaker 1: around then Christina Laurien, the wife of Caesar, had to
38:28
Speaker 1: have known that this went on in the house, and
38:30
Speaker 1: that same echo, that same lyric is playing through the
38:33
Speaker 1: community today, saying Christie had to know she was in
38:37
Speaker 1: the house at the time. Again, this is not a
38:40
Speaker 1: large dwelling with neighbors on either side, separated um by
38:44
Speaker 1: about thirty feet of grass, no foliage or trees, neighbors,
38:47
Speaker 1: see neighbors and um, it's just hard, It's just hard
38:51
Speaker 1: to fathom that something like this could happen with not
38:55
Speaker 1: um with not all the occupants in the house not
38:58
Speaker 1: knowing what was going down. Think so, the two lines
39:01
Speaker 1: of reasoning to forensics expert jose Scott Morgan are that
39:06
Speaker 1: chloroform was some byproduct of a drug or drug manufacturer
39:12
Speaker 1: in the home, or chloroform was used intentionally on this
39:16
Speaker 1: child to knock her out. Now it seems more likely
39:21
Speaker 1: to me that if the degree of chloroform is so
39:24
Speaker 1: much that it's found in the lung tissue, that it
39:27
Speaker 1: was inhaled directly. My question, do you, Joe Scott Morgan,
39:32
Speaker 1: don't you remember when the father, the biological father, Alex
39:36
Speaker 1: Woods told us and I believe it's in the defects
39:38
Speaker 1: documents as well, that the mom knew what was going
39:42
Speaker 1: on in the home at the very least that amounts
39:46
Speaker 1: to child abuse or neglect that resulted in death. Joe
39:52
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. Yeah, she was exposed. If this poor little
39:56
Speaker 1: child was exposed to this over an expended here and
39:59
Speaker 1: ext period of time. But as an investigator, I'm gonna say, so,
40:04
Speaker 1: you're telling me you put the kid to bed and
40:08
Speaker 1: you suddenly arose in the middle of the night and
40:11
Speaker 1: you discovered that she passed away as a result of
40:14
Speaker 1: I don't know, exposure to some kind of hazardous material.
40:17
Speaker 1: Now I'm leaning more towards this idea that it was
40:20
Speaker 1: directly applied. And also it does not it does not
40:24
Speaker 1: have to specifically be inhaled. It can also be ingested
40:29
Speaker 1: through the mouth, so it could be mixed with something.
40:31
Speaker 1: It's highly toxic, so you would have to pick it
40:34
Speaker 1: up in the lungs. You could also pick it up
40:37
Speaker 1: in the lining of the esophagus in the stomach. But
40:39
Speaker 1: it's going to take time, as I had previously stated,
40:42
Speaker 1: So let me just say it's my firmly there's no
40:46
Speaker 1: coincidence in criminal law. So what you guys are trying
40:50
Speaker 1: to tell me, and I am rejecting it. That the
40:54
Speaker 1: fact that the living Camery allegedly sexually abused Babe Mariah
41:01
Speaker 1: and her two younger brothers were abused, according to police,
41:07
Speaker 1: by hitting them with a belt, causing a bloody nose
41:11
Speaker 1: to one of them. According to court documents provided by
41:15
Speaker 1: Alex Woods, one of the boys tell investigator they saw
41:20
Speaker 1: Camery sex abusing baby Maria, and I'm quoting the mother
41:28
Speaker 1: knew about the alleged abuse and Camray's drug problem, so
41:37
Speaker 1: that right there is a felony murder. To me, you
41:41
Speaker 1: neglect or abuse your child in a felony way, allowing
41:46
Speaker 1: your child to be exposed to sex abuse and drug
41:49
Speaker 1: abuse and bloody noses and beating with belts and then
41:53
Speaker 1: a child dies. Yeah, that's a felony. And I don't understand,
42:00
Speaker 1: Mike Mhugh, Why there are not charges against the mother.
42:04
Speaker 1: You're telling me she's cooperating. Do I care? No, I
42:09
Speaker 1: don't care, because you could take this case to a
42:11
Speaker 1: jury right now and get a murder case on both
42:14
Speaker 1: of them. Why do we need her to operating? Why
42:18
Speaker 1: aren't there charges on mommy? What mom is gonna walk
42:20
Speaker 1: Scott free? On this WEEKQ. If it gets a question
42:24
Speaker 1: that's asked every time that I'm in front of Sheriff
42:26
Speaker 1: Hans Miller or a district attorney Ernie Lee, and they
42:30
Speaker 1: reply they send back to us or safe back to me,
42:33
Speaker 1: is that we have one chance to get it right.
42:35
Speaker 1: We want to make sure we have everything in place
42:38
Speaker 1: before we move forward with charges. It's an ongoing investigation.
42:41
Speaker 1: It's the same reply that we get there playing their
42:44
Speaker 1: cards very close to the vest. Uh. This district attorney
42:47
Speaker 1: has been prosecuting for more than thirty years. He's a
42:50
Speaker 1: d A for the past eight Um, he knows, he
42:53
Speaker 1: knows the game. Sheriff Hans Miller is a much different
42:56
Speaker 1: sheriff and the sheriff that you spoke to Nancy ten
42:58
Speaker 1: years ago, Ed Brown. Uh in the Lorian case. He's
43:02
Speaker 1: a forensic cop. Um, he's a tech geek. UM. He's
43:07
Speaker 1: a former SBI investigator. She's done these cases before. Um.
43:11
Speaker 1: They're playing their cards real close to the vest. I
43:15
Speaker 1: appreciate that. I do, I really do. I'm not being sarcastic,
43:19
Speaker 1: but I tell you what it would be a cold
43:21
Speaker 1: day in h E double l that if I had
43:25
Speaker 1: to drive the taxi myself. I would take this mom
43:28
Speaker 1: straight down to hill if she knew what was going
43:31
Speaker 1: on in that house. And these children say that she
43:34
Speaker 1: did no. All right, So this child, this three year
43:40
Speaker 1: old baby, was exposed to sex abuse, to drugs, to
43:45
Speaker 1: her brother's being beat with a belt and a bloody nose,
43:48
Speaker 1: and now she ends up dead in oh now granted,
43:54
Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morrigan, Karen Starn't you know me well? I
43:56
Speaker 1: have argued to many a jury that sometimes you gotta
44:00
Speaker 1: go to hell to get the witnesses to put the
44:02
Speaker 1: devil in jail. All right, But I would not enlist
44:07
Speaker 1: builds abub I absolutely would not. I would lose before
44:12
Speaker 1: I would let the mom walk after what this child
44:16
Speaker 1: went through. Karen Stark, can somebody throw me a bone
44:20
Speaker 1: for Pete's sake? This little girl, according to her own
44:24
Speaker 1: blood brothers, was sexually abused at a before age three,
44:29
Speaker 1: age three and under sex abuse? Help me? Karen? Am
44:33
Speaker 1: I the only? Am I? What? Am I? The only
44:35
Speaker 1: lone voice in the wilderness? If the mom knew that
44:39
Speaker 1: she should have gotten that b live in out of
44:41
Speaker 1: the house with a butt full of butt shot, there's
44:46
Speaker 1: no doubt that she should have met you. But how
44:48
Speaker 1: many times have we been up against these kind of
44:51
Speaker 1: cases where the moms know and they don't do anything
44:55
Speaker 1: about it. They are so desperate to be with the
44:59
Speaker 1: person and that they're with that they are willing to
45:02
Speaker 1: give up their children in order to keep the relationship.
45:07
Speaker 1: And it's not anything that makes logical sense, but there's
45:11
Speaker 1: that emotional connection that you can do nothing about in
45:15
Speaker 1: these cases where the children do not come first. And
45:19
Speaker 1: what I'm wondering about right now with what you're saying,
45:23
Speaker 1: is will she eventually be you know, the considered a
45:30
Speaker 1: part of this, and they are just saying that she's
45:32
Speaker 1: cooperating because they want more details on what exactly happens.
45:39
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that she's going to walk away. That
45:42
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me. I could chew and
45:45
Speaker 1: nail in half, okay, Mike me Hugh. I know that
45:50
Speaker 1: you are not personally responsible for this, okay, but you
45:54
Speaker 1: are the bearer of bad news. But for all I know,
45:59
Speaker 1: they could have a d ill in the works with
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Speaker 1: her for a more lenient sentence, not life plus life
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Speaker 1: plus life if she cooperates. But I just alan deep,
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Speaker 1: I know you're there in the background, lurking and listening.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember when you and I talked to the dad,
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Speaker 1: Alex Woods, and he told us that he believed the
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Speaker 1: mom knew about the abuse. Do you remember that? I
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Speaker 1: remember it too. I just don't see how this cannot
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Speaker 1: be a charge on her now, Joe Scott Morgan, I
46:33
Speaker 1: keep asking you, begging you to dummy down for me,
46:37
Speaker 1: but let me try it one more time. Joseph Scott Morgan,
46:43
Speaker 1: how are the ways I'm understanding? You're saying there's two
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Speaker 1: ways that chloroform can appear in a child's dead body,
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Speaker 1: in the tissue. And you were saying by direct annhalation,
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Speaker 1: such as someone holding it over her nose on mouth,
47:01
Speaker 1: like in what the State said in taught Mom. Or
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Speaker 1: did you say appearing naturally? Because I find that pretty
47:12
Speaker 1: hard to believe you sucking enough chloroform you die naturally. Know?
47:18
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is is that it occurs. It's a
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Speaker 1: naturally occurring organic compound in nature. It's given off by
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Speaker 1: by moss, fun guy all other things. And okay, you
47:30
Speaker 1: suggesting Mariah was out on the nature walk that night
47:33
Speaker 1: at midnight and she sucked in some chloroform from a
47:35
Speaker 1: fun guy I a mushroom. Okay, so what do you
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Speaker 1: That's what I say, talk regular talk. How else could
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Speaker 1: she have it in her lung tissue? Well she if
47:47
Speaker 1: it's in her lung tissue. What I'm saying is just
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Speaker 1: as I had previously stated, that fought at all calm
47:54
Speaker 1: to make me sound crazy. Okay, I know you're game,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott that you how could she get her body? Uh?
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Speaker 1: It would most likely, as far as I'm concerned, it
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Speaker 1: would be through uh inhalation. You get me through all
48:12
Speaker 1: this when at the very beginning I said, somebody held
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Speaker 1: it over her mouth and knows I E. Camery, not
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Speaker 1: somebody Camry. And now you start talking about funguses and
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Speaker 1: naturally appearing and all that, you believe she inheld it directly.
48:27
Speaker 1: I believe that that's a possibility. Yes, I'm taking you
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Speaker 1: to the wodshet if I can only get my hands
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Speaker 1: on you, Mike McHugh Reportered jacksonvill Dealing, send you. I'll
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Speaker 1: send you my address where you live. Mike. What's happening now? Please?
48:44
Speaker 1: What's happening now? Because I Am not going to be
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Speaker 1: able to put my head on the pillow knowing that
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Speaker 1: the mom allegedly allowed her taught to live this way,
48:55
Speaker 1: and now the baby is dead, and because she starts
48:59
Speaker 1: gabbing to Lace, she's gonna walk scott free. The as
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Speaker 1: what the District Attorney and the Sheriff's office continues to report,
49:09
Speaker 1: it's an ongoing investigation. But in the meantime, with Mr
49:13
Speaker 1: Kimriy housed in the Anslo County Jail under no bond um,
49:17
Speaker 1: the district attorney told me yesterday that he's going to
49:19
Speaker 1: try to get him into the grand jury, UH February
49:23
Speaker 1: that's the next time they convene here. And then once
49:27
Speaker 1: they come out of the grand jury, if they have
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Speaker 1: an indictment, which they should have an indictment, UH, they
49:31
Speaker 1: have a small window for a rule twenty four hearing
49:36
Speaker 1: uh to see whether or not they proceed with capital charges. Um.
49:40
Speaker 1: And you know how that works. Um it's I think
49:42
Speaker 1: I believe a ten day window after the indictment are
49:45
Speaker 1: handed down that they go to that process. On Mr
49:49
Speaker 1: Kimery's front, Uh, he also has a court date of
49:52
Speaker 1: April second for the first charges leveled against him on
49:55
Speaker 1: December one, and that was the felony disposing of a
49:57
Speaker 1: body that died upon natural causes. Uh, that's set the
50:01
Speaker 1: wheels in motion for the discovery of the body following
50:03
Speaker 1: in in December two. So he's got a busy winter
50:07
Speaker 1: and spring ahead of him. And in the meantime, Christie
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Speaker 1: Woods is free and she is in the somewhere in
50:14
Speaker 1: the Oslo community. We're not certain where. Um. We do
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Speaker 1: believe that the home in which this all occurred, she
50:20
Speaker 1: is no longer residing there. I was out front of
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Speaker 1: the home several times UM in the ensuing days after
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Speaker 1: the discovery of the body, and Christie would come by
50:29
Speaker 1: the home, dropped in for maybe ten minutes or stone,
50:32
Speaker 1: pick up items, and leave, usually driven by somebody else.
50:35
Speaker 1: And I would approach the vehicle in which she arrived
50:37
Speaker 1: and uh, they would have no comment. They'd roll the
50:39
Speaker 1: windows up, tell me to scram off the property. So
50:42
Speaker 1: I would go across the street and observed. But she
50:45
Speaker 1: she would walk out of the house, hands over her
50:48
Speaker 1: head and put her hoodie pulled over her face, and
50:51
Speaker 1: she would go back into the vehicle and which she arrived,
50:53
Speaker 1: and they would drive off. The tragic said held, Ah,
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Speaker 1: he is held. I'm actually parked outside the shadow of
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Speaker 1: I'm in the shadow of the jail. He's in the
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Speaker 1: Onslo County Jail, which is in the Justice Complex where
51:10
Speaker 1: the Sheriff's office is housed and the magistrate's office. It's
51:15
Speaker 1: all in one square block at the a's across the street.
51:18
Speaker 1: The courts are just across the street. So that'sful jail house,
51:22
Speaker 1: which is a far cry from the penitentiary. What do
51:27
Speaker 1: we know about how he's being held? Is he in
51:32
Speaker 1: a single cell? I'm not certain of the arrangement of
51:36
Speaker 1: the cell though he is being um. It was mentioned
51:40
Speaker 1: yes then. I don't know the exact words that Sheriff
51:43
Speaker 1: Hans Miller used, but that question was brought up in
51:45
Speaker 1: the in the tendant presser yesterday about Mr Kimrie in
51:48
Speaker 1: the jail. They're looking out for his safety as they
51:51
Speaker 1: do with all him. It's but um, he was pressed
51:53
Speaker 1: and the sheriff was why he was afforded more security.
51:59
Speaker 1: And you remember or his first court appearance, Um, when
52:02
Speaker 1: he appeared in court on the December in December four,
52:05
Speaker 1: he came into the district court for first appearance wearing
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Speaker 1: underneath his orange jumpsuit a bullet resistant vest for his
52:14
Speaker 1: own safety. The sheriff told us afterwards, we've never had
52:17
Speaker 1: incidence here in the courtrooms with any type of violence
52:21
Speaker 1: other than maybe a stuffle or two. But that was
52:24
Speaker 1: that was very unusual out of the protocol of most
52:28
Speaker 1: first appearances. His first appearance yesterday, he appeared in the
52:31
Speaker 1: same courtroom in the same jumpsuit, but without the body armor.
52:37
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if he is with a cell mate
52:41
Speaker 1: to whom he may talk the Onslow County jail there
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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, North Carolina with me on the Saint Mike mckugh,
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Speaker 1: reporter with the Jacksonville Daily News. UM, you're saying that
52:55
Speaker 1: right now, she the mother, is still walking free. Ste
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Speaker 1: Woods is a free woman. She's walking the streets of
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Speaker 1: Johnsville County, Jacksonville, wherever she chooses to go. She is
53:08
Speaker 1: not in custody. UM. As with sheriff os Miller said
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Speaker 1: yesterday in his press conference that she is cooperating and
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Speaker 1: she has cooperated throughout the ongoing investigation. That she is
53:19
Speaker 1: I did not see this coming. A three year old
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Speaker 1: taught girl found dead, faced down in a creek. The
53:30
Speaker 1: timelines don't fit. We don't know what happened days past,
53:34
Speaker 1: weeks past. They won't give us a cause of death.
53:37
Speaker 1: We speculated why, and now we know it was not
53:42
Speaker 1: due to delay on their part. Very sensitive and complex
53:48
Speaker 1: testing was done on this child's lung tissue, and now
53:51
Speaker 1: we know this little girl likely sex molested. This three
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Speaker 1: year old taught dead of chloroform toxicity in her little body.
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Speaker 1: Ed Kimbery being held Nancy Grace Crimbs Toyes signing off,
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend