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The Kenny Report | 10 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to The Kenny Report. I'm Caroline Marcus filling in
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  Speaker 3: for Chris Kenny. Coming up tonight, the celebrity rabbi calling
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  Speaker 3: for Trump to ban Anthony Alberesi from the US over
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  Speaker 3: his failure to act on anti Semitism, and he says
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  Speaker 3: the administration is considering it.
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  Speaker 4: Alberizi has become an Australian abomination. He has no place
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  Speaker 4: in the United States. He should be banned by President Trump.
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  Speaker 3: Rabbi Schmilly coming up on the show, Hamas agrees to
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  Speaker 3: release ten Israeli hostages amid ongoing ceasefire talks. And in
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  Speaker 3: another win for diversity, Mattel has released a new barbie
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  Speaker 3: with diabetes.
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  Speaker 5: But first more performative.
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  Speaker 3: Compassion from Anthony Albanzi on anti Semitism. There was much
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  Speaker 3: fanfare as Anthony Albinizi launched a new action plan from
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  Speaker 3: his Special Envoy to combat anti Semitism, to tackle do
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  Speaker 3: hatred at a Sydney press conference.
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  Speaker 6: Any Semitism has risen to deeply troubling levels in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, under your watch, Albanzi. This was the new report.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone was there to spook the Special Envoy's plan to
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  Speaker 3: combat anti Semitism. And yes, there are a lot of
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  Speaker 3: worthy recommendations in there, and I'll go through some of
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  Speaker 3: them shortly. But here's the sticking point. They are just recommendations.
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  Speaker 3: Most bar a few of them, all minor ones have
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  Speaker 3: not yet been adopted. Here's the PM talking about how
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  Speaker 3: the government is going to take time to reflect on this.
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  Speaker 6: Will now carefully consider the report recommendations. There's a number
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  Speaker 6: of in here that we are doing. As a number
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  Speaker 6: of things can be implemented quickly, there are a number
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  Speaker 6: of things that will require work over a period of time.
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  Speaker 5: But how much time will it take.
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  Speaker 3: We've already seen three Australian synagogue set a light or
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  Speaker 3: be attempted to be set alight in recent months, two
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  Speaker 3: in Melbourne, one in Sydney. Attacks on places of worship
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  Speaker 3: just because they're Jewish. We've seen a Melbourne restaurant violently
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  Speaker 3: attacked over the weekend because it's Israeli. Diners and staff terrorized.
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  Speaker 3: We don't need more talk, we need action. Now here's
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  Speaker 3: what the government will be taking. It's time to consider
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  Speaker 3: and I think you'll agree it's simply common sense first,
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  Speaker 3: well look at stripping taxpayer funding from universities, academics and
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  Speaker 3: researchers where the recipient engages in anti Semitic, hateful speech
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  Speaker 3: or actions.
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  Speaker 5: Funding will would be.
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  Speaker 3: With hells from universities which fail to act against anti Semitism,
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  Speaker 3: holocaust and anti Semitism education embedded into our schools in
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  Speaker 3: the arts, where we've seen so many examples of artists
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  Speaker 3: promoting extremism and the cancelation and doxing of Jewish creatives
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  Speaker 3: and who were just revealed through WhatsApp chats and told
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  Speaker 3: that they can't be part of festivals. Well, the report
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  Speaker 3: recommends the efficient termination of funding where the institution of
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  Speaker 3: festival promotes, facilitates, or does not deal effectively with hate
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  Speaker 3: or anti semitism. In terms of our laws, the Envoy
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  Speaker 3: wants to review them, including in respect to violent and
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  Speaker 3: intimidating protest activity.
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  Speaker 5: We will look at.
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  Speaker 7: Whether it is now necessary to strengthen hate crime legislation,
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  Speaker 7: including provisions relating to not only incitement and vilification and
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  Speaker 7: habit of symbols which we have, but actual hatred and
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  Speaker 7: the speaking of hatred and demonstrated hatred.
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  Speaker 3: Education would be provided to police prosecutors the judiciary so
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  Speaker 3: that the application of the law is informed by a
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  Speaker 3: thorough understanding of anti semitism. On migration and this is
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  Speaker 3: a key one. It's recommended visa applicants be screened for
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  Speaker 3: anti Semitic views or affiliations, and the Migration Act facilitate
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  Speaker 3: visa refusals or cancelations for anti Semitic conduct and rhetoric.
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  Speaker 3: Considering Australia is taking in thousands of people from the
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  Speaker 3: terror enclave of Gaza among other war torn regions, this
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  Speaker 3: is vital for national security and cohesion. Now, this strategy
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  Speaker 3: adopts many of the fifteen points out of the sky
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  Speaker 3: Newese Anti Semitism Summit and Executive Council of Australian Jury
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  Speaker 3: Action Plan. Part of that summit moderating a panel on
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  Speaker 3: education and the Arts.
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  Speaker 5: Where there were also calls.
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  Speaker 3: For a ban on encampments at university campuses.
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  Speaker 5: And I've got to.
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  Speaker 3: Wonder again why it has taken so long for this
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  Speaker 3: government to even get to the point where they're just
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  Speaker 3: considering our recommendations. We've had now almost two years of
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  Speaker 3: sky rocketing anti semitism, including daycare centers being bombed, schools
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  Speaker 3: being vandalized, the former home of a Jewish community leader
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  Speaker 3: targeted all to come to this point consideration of recommendations.
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  Speaker 3: Albanezi tried to sound tough today, especially on the protesters
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  Speaker 3: calling for death and attacking a restaurant over the weekend.
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  Speaker 6: I saw on the ABC the other night a woman
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  Speaker 6: who participated in the treash and violence that occurred at
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  Speaker 6: the restaurant in Melbourne justifying that, justifying it. There is
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  Speaker 6: no justification for that whatsoever. And what's more, the idea
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  Speaker 6: that somehow the cause of justice for Palestinians is advanced
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  Speaker 6: by behavior like that is not only delusional, it is destructive.
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  Speaker 3: But the time has long passed for tough sounding words.
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  Speaker 3: We need strong action and a strong leader. Unless some
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  Speaker 3: of these key recommendations are acted upon urgently, it's only a.
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  Speaker 5: Matter of time before someone is seriously hurt.
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  Speaker 3: Yet more looming economic pain for the government out of
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  Speaker 3: the US. The Pentagon now considering making Australia pay more
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  Speaker 3: for submarines under the Orcas Pact. The Senday Morning Herald's
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  Speaker 3: reports the Trump administration's review may also compel Australia to
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  Speaker 3: guarantee that US made subs would be used to support
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  Speaker 3: the United States in any future conflict with China. The
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  Speaker 3: new potential costs and conditions yet another worrying sign. The
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  Speaker 3: three hundred and sixty eight billion dollar ORCAS deal could
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  Speaker 3: be under threat. The Trump administration is currently reviewing the
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  Speaker 3: pact made between former President Joe Biden, former Australian PM
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  Speaker 3: Scott Morrison, and the UK. The Opposition says it's urgent
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  Speaker 3: Albanesi takes back control.
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  Speaker 8: We should be able to save UCAS. But we are
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  Speaker 8: not going to save UCAS if we just let this
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  Speaker 8: thing on cruise, if we don't take charge of it,
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  Speaker 8: if the Prime Minister doesn't personally take charge with it.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's going to be tough to do when Alberanzi
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  Speaker 3: can't even snap bag a phone call with Trump, let
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  Speaker 3: alone a meeting. But I guess he has more important
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  Speaker 3: things to do, like head to China this weekend. Wonder
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  Speaker 3: what his Beijing mates will make of their handsome boy
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  Speaker 3: having to promise the US he'll use our subs against them,
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  Speaker 3: although frankly, what else would they be for? And of
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  Speaker 3: course the Greens want us to just rip up the
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  Speaker 3: entire Orchist deal.
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  Speaker 9: It's an absolute dud deal and Australia should walk away
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  Speaker 9: from it. There's plenty of other things we could invest
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  Speaker 9: that money into, both in the defense space, but also
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  Speaker 9: in doing more to help Australians who really need social supports.
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  Speaker 5: And also climate change.
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  Speaker 3: I suppose add to that the new two hundred percent
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  Speaker 3: tariffs we're now facing on pharmaceuticals, one of our biggest
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  Speaker 3: exports to the US, and things are not looking good.
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  Speaker 3: That PM inspired precisely no confidence when asked about the
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  Speaker 3: fresh tariffs today.
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  Speaker 6: On trade and tariffs, We're continuing to engage in the
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  Speaker 6: national interest with the United States, but I've made it
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  Speaker 6: very clear that the issues such as the pharmaceutical benefit
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  Speaker 6: scheme are not on the table for negotiations. They are
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  Speaker 6: part of who Australia is.
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  Speaker 3: Albaniz's failure to manage a relationship with Trump is looking to.
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  Speaker 5: Be very costly. Indeed.
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  Speaker 3: Well joining me now is Claire Chandler, Tasmanian Liberal Senator.
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  Speaker 5: Claire. Great to see you.
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  Speaker 3: First off, what is your reaction to this new anti
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  Speaker 3: Semitism action plan that I talked about at the top
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  Speaker 3: of the show.
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  Speaker 10: Thanks for having me on the show, Caroline, and look,
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  Speaker 10: I thought your comments at the top of the show
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  Speaker 10: were spot on. There seems to be an awful lot
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  Speaker 10: of considering of these recommendations that will now be underway
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  Speaker 10: by the Albaneze government rather than ACTU putting them into action.
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  Speaker 10: And I think you know, we know that this review
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  Speaker 10: has been underway for some time. I don't think that
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  Speaker 10: the recommendations were revolutionary or unheard of. Now is the
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  Speaker 10: time for Anthony Albanesi and his government to stand up
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  Speaker 10: and say enough is enough. We are going to put
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  Speaker 10: these recommendations into actions. So a fantastic piece of work
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  Speaker 10: by the anti Semitism Special Envoy, but like I say,
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  Speaker 10: a disappointing response from the government in not saying here
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  Speaker 10: today we're going to do this.
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  Speaker 3: I know it would have been such an easy opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to at least implement some of them. But let's move
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  Speaker 3: on to your party now. And we have an opposition
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  Speaker 3: leader who is clearly clearly trying to brand herself as
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  Speaker 3: pro women. There are photos that are out today in
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  Speaker 3: the Women's Weekly, showcasing shots of Susan Lee with her
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  Speaker 3: granddaughter Sage, who calls her Glamy, which is lovely.
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  Speaker 5: Plus the horrifying.
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  Speaker 3: Story about the night she had to draw a gun
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  Speaker 3: on a menacing man but Claire, one of the criticisms
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  Speaker 3: I've made on before about Susan Lee is that she's
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  Speaker 3: talked very publicly about supporting women, but demoted talented female
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  Speaker 3: performers like yourself out of the shadow cabinet. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: what do you think of this attempt to rebrand the
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  Speaker 3: Liberals as more women friendly?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 10: Look, I don't think anyone out there in Australia, you
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  Speaker 10: know it was looking at the Liberal Party's performance at
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  Speaker 10: the last election and thinking that we have a good
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  Speaker 10: record when it comes to engaging with women. I've publicly
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  Speaker 10: said many, many times that the Liberal Party has to
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  Speaker 10: do better when it comes to engaging with women. I
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  Speaker 10: want to see more Liberal women in our parliament.
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  Speaker 11: So I want to.
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  Speaker 10: See more Liberal women within our party.
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  Speaker 5: But you know that there's.
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  Speaker 10: There are many various ways that we do that, and
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  Speaker 10: you know, I know quotas have been talked about. I'm
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  Speaker 10: vehemently anti quota. I think they're you know, they fundamentally
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  Speaker 10: undermine what we as Liberals believe in, and I don't
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  Speaker 10: think they're the best tool whereas Liberals can use to
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  Speaker 10: increase our female parliamentary ranks. But in terms of the
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  Speaker 10: piece of the Women's Weekly that you refer to with
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  Speaker 10: our opposition leader, Susan Lay.
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  Speaker 12: Look, I think that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 10: Often I hear people criticize politicians that we don't get
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  Speaker 10: to see who you really are, We don't get to
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  Speaker 10: see your backstory, and that's certainly true, and I think
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  Speaker 10: it's you know, entirely fair and expected that Susan would
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  Speaker 10: be doing some of these interviews now, sharing her personal
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  Speaker 10: stories with Australians, just as Peter Dutton, Scott Morrison, many
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  Speaker 10: of our liberal leaders have done before.
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  Speaker 3: Well, look, let's move on to Albanize now their affairs,
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  Speaker 3: that Australia could be asked to pay more for nuclear
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  Speaker 3: submarines as part of the Pentagon's review, and to the
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  Speaker 3: Aucust deal. That's on top of these flagged tariffs from
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  Speaker 3: Trump on copper and pharmaceuticals, with the chairman of the
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  Speaker 3: country's biggest drugs manufacturers saying tweaks to the PBS should
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  Speaker 3: be considered.
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  Speaker 5: To have the tariffs.
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  Speaker 3: Claire, as I've said many times, Albanizy can't even secure
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  Speaker 3: one meeting with the leader of the free world and
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  Speaker 3: it's looking like a very expensive failing right now.
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  Speaker 10: Well, that's certainly right, And I think it's been about
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  Speaker 10: two hundred and forty seven days since President Trump was
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  Speaker 10: elected and our Prime Minister hasn't been able to secure
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  Speaker 10: a meeting with him in that time. Now, I think,
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  Speaker 10: as our closest ally that securing a meeting with President
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  Speaker 10: Trump after his election should have been a pretty high
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  Speaker 10: priority for Prime Minister Alban Easy and it's incredibly disappointing
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  Speaker 10: that that hasn't happened yet. And like you say, we
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  Speaker 10: are now seeing the fallout from that failure to secure
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  Speaker 10: a meeting. And it's all very well for the Prime
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  Speaker 10: Minister to show up at press conferences and say, oh,
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  Speaker 10: and this is under consideration, or we're having conversations, or
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  Speaker 10: we're engaging at the highest level, but the reality is
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  Speaker 10: we haven't engaged at the highest level because the Prime
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  Speaker 10: Minister hasn't been able to secure that meeting with President
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  Speaker 10: Trump yet. Like so many Australians, I'm concerned about what
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  Speaker 10: the US tariff policies is going to have on Australians
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  Speaker 10: and on our businesses here. But I also want to
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  Speaker 10: see our Prime minister engaging with the US administration and
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  Speaker 10: fighting for Australian interests. And we all know that that
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  Speaker 10: hasn't happened yet.
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  Speaker 3: Oh but here's off to China this weekend, don't forget.
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  Speaker 3: Just quickly, speaking of China, in a bizarre press club experience,
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  Speaker 3: the CEO of a major climate change charity has praised China. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: China the world's worst carbon Polluto.
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  Speaker 9: There was this one thing you can say about the
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  Speaker 9: Chinese system is that China plays as a team.
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  Speaker 5: Then came this.
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  Speaker 13: And Australia spends all of our time trying to tear
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  Speaker 13: each other apart.
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  Speaker 1: That is no way to compete for Team Australia.
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  Speaker 5: Claire, just quickly your response.
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  Speaker 10: I mean I was baffled by those comments, as I
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  Speaker 10: think anyone would be. We all know that China is
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  Speaker 10: the greatest global omittal when it comes to CO two,
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  Speaker 10: and we have to always view what we're doing here
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  Speaker 10: in Australia.
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  Speaker 5: Within that context.
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  Speaker 10: But I think it was a complete falsehood to try
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  Speaker 10: and say that that China is playing its part on
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  Speaker 10: the global stage, where we know that's not the case.
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  Speaker 5: I was very.
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  Speaker 3: Confused, many people were. Claire Chandler, thank you so much
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  Speaker 3: for your time. Now back to the PM's new plan
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  Speaker 3: to combat the explosion of anti semitism in this country.
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  Speaker 3: Joining me now is Peter Wertime am CO, Chief Executive
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  Speaker 3: Officer of the Executive Council of Australian Jury, who was
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  Speaker 3: at today's press conference. Peter, thanks for coming on. You
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  Speaker 3: may have heard some of the criticisms I had about this.
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  Speaker 3: The plan itself seems good, but the government is just
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  Speaker 3: considering it at this stage. Are you confident that most
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  Speaker 3: of the recommendations will be adopted.
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  Speaker 14: I think they will be, to the extent that government
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  Speaker 14: is the party that needs to be the response to
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  Speaker 14: the report. Don't forget this report covers many different sectors
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  Speaker 14: in Australian society, because anti Semitism is coming from many
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  Speaker 14: different sectors, and you've covered this in previous news reports.
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  Speaker 14: That's coming from the university sector, from the arts and
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  Speaker 14: culture sector, from social media, even the healthcare sector and
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  Speaker 14: its regulator are a problem. And so the response has
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  Speaker 14: to come in a united way and a coordinated way
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  Speaker 14: from society. Certainly, government has to give the leadership and
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  Speaker 14: I think the Prime Minister has committed to doing that.
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  Speaker 14: I thought his comments at the press conference and those
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  Speaker 14: of the Home Affairs Minister were especially strong and welcome.
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  Speaker 14: But it doesn't just sit on the government to be
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  Speaker 14: the actor in this Government has to give the leadership
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  Speaker 14: and we need cooperation from all the other sectors of
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  Speaker 14: society where the problem is emanating from.
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  Speaker 5: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 3: He did sound stronger today, as did Tony Burke. I
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  Speaker 3: was pleased to see that, but I think a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people have had enough of just strong words and
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  Speaker 3: want to see some strong action.
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  Speaker 5: If Alban Eazy had.
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  Speaker 3: To focus on prioritizing some of the recommendations, there's plenty
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  Speaker 3: in here, which, in your view, are the most urgent
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  Speaker 3: for government and other sectors to implement.
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  Speaker 14: I would say the education recommendations are the most urgent
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  Speaker 14: because they are the ones that shape attitudes and effect
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  Speaker 14: attitudes the most directly. And we're not just talking about
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  Speaker 14: the university sector here. We're talking about school education, beginning
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  Speaker 14: in the very earlier stages of a school education all
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  Speaker 14: the way through to senior school level. So there's work
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  Speaker 14: to be done there in the curriculum in terms of
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  Speaker 14: professional development, and then there's a broader education function as well,
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  Speaker 14: educating the corporate sector, educating university administrators, educating people who
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  Speaker 14: are engaged in social media, administration on about the nature
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  Speaker 14: and forms that anti semitism takes today in the twenty
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  Speaker 14: first century, not the forms that they took one hundred
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  Speaker 14: years ago, and so that they understand the full import
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  Speaker 14: of what contemporary anti semitism looks like and can understand
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  Speaker 14: also as well the historical context out of which it arose.
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  Speaker 14: Those education measures that are being recommended across a number
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  Speaker 14: of different sectors with obviously the imprimentre of government are
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  Speaker 14: going to be critical because they are the ones that
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  Speaker 14: will actually have the most long term impact.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I hope your confidence is well placed and these
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  Speaker 3: many of them will be implemented soon.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Peter worktime.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I want to go to someone who has been
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  Speaker 3: very outspoken about the government's failure to combat anti Semitism,
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  Speaker 3: and that's Jewish advocate Mini Perlstein Money.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks for coming on.
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  Speaker 3: I want to first of all, get your response to
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  Speaker 3: these recommendations, because, as I've said, my first thought is
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  Speaker 3: why didn't Albanezi just come out and universally endorse them
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  Speaker 3: if he was truly serious about this crisis.
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  Speaker 12: Because I think he's actually truly serious about placating the
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  Speaker 12: Jewish community rather than fixing the crisis, which is a
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  Speaker 12: crisis of his.
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  Speaker 13: Own making, by the way, and I found today supremely disappointing.
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  Speaker 13: I felt like Albanzi dangled a carrot in front of us.
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  Speaker 13: It's like he's a comprehensive plan, it's a really great plan,
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  Speaker 13: but will.
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  Speaker 12: Just carefully consider it?
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  Speaker 13: And I think this is an insult to every Australian
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  Speaker 13: Jewish and non Jewish Australian who really cares about social
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  Speaker 13: cohesion and racial hatred towards Jews in this country and
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  Speaker 13: who wants to see action taken now.
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  Speaker 3: I know it is so frustrating, and that's very well articulated.
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  Speaker 3: What would you say to the PM then about how
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  Speaker 3: the Jewish community is feeling about his handling of this
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  Speaker 3: crisis and how he form today.
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  Speaker 13: Well, I'm predominantly an online advocate, so I had a
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  Speaker 13: lot of response.
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  Speaker 12: To what happened today in a few short hours.
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  Speaker 13: I had probably ten thousand views and a thousand comments
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  Speaker 13: in only a.
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  Speaker 12: Couple of hours.
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  Speaker 13: And what I would say to the Prime Minister is
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  Speaker 13: that the community, both Jewish and non Jewish, are very
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  Speaker 13: very angry about how slowly this issue has been handled.
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  Speaker 12: It's been almost two years and it's been allowed to fester.
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  Speaker 13: To a point where racial hatred towards Jews is almost acceptable.
• 20:34
  Speaker 12: So there's a lot of anger. I think also there's
• 20:36
  Speaker 12: a lot of distrust, and a lot of people are.
• 20:39
  Speaker 13: Saying, well, you know, great plan, but let's wait and
• 20:43
  Speaker 13: see if any of it is implemented.
• 20:45
  Speaker 12: And I think a lot of people don't have faith that.
• 20:48
  Speaker 13: These plans will be implemented in a timely fashion. And
• 20:51
  Speaker 13: I think people are really worried that there is no
• 20:55
  Speaker 13: accountability still on the part of the government, no real accountability,
• 20:58
  Speaker 13: because today was almost insulting. It's like, well, here's some
• 21:03
  Speaker 13: great ideas, but we can't be sure that we're going
• 21:05
  Speaker 13: to implement them or not. And I really believe that
• 21:08
  Speaker 13: the public is worried that what gets going to take
• 21:12
  Speaker 13: is a death before any serious action is taken.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, you know, you've nailed it.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, it sounded good if you're sort of half listening,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: But the keywords are they haven't implemented any of it yet,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: and none of us have much faith in the community
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: that is going to happen in a timely way. Mani Polstine,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: thank you so much for your time. Now the PM
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: is set to jet off to Beijing this Saturday for
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: yet another meeting with Jijin Ping and yet still my
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: meeting with Donald Trump. Ahead of the PM's trip, Former
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Security and Diplomatic Chief Dennis Richardson has warned China will
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: engage in coercive trade practices, saying we've got to remain
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: aware they're not a paragon of virtue when it comes
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: to trade, and that Beijing will put us in the
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: doghouse again if we fall out politically, and of course
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: we saw this when Scott Morrison raised valid questions about
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: the origins of COVID. Joining me now to break down
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: the PM's China trip and more, Former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: thank you for your time, Alexander. What should be the
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: red lines for the PM on this trip. He's reportedly
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: rebuffed China's approach to include Ai in a broader trade deal,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: But what else?
• 22:30
  Speaker 15: Well, I think it's very important the Prime Minister is
• 22:34
  Speaker 15: robust in supporting Australia's broad geopolitical interests, so we expect
• 22:41
  Speaker 15: China to adhere to the rule of international law in
• 22:44
  Speaker 15: South China see and particularly in relation to Taiwan. And
• 22:50
  Speaker 15: I think he should have Frank discussions with China about
• 22:53
  Speaker 15: how the United States, Australia and are Broad or Alliance
• 23:02
  Speaker 15: are concerned about the assertion of Chinese power, in appropriate
• 23:07
  Speaker 15: assertion of Chinese power.
• 23:08
  Speaker 11: So it's not just about trade. I mean, there'll be
• 23:11
  Speaker 11: all sorts of.
• 23:11
  Speaker 15: Details about trade. But the problem for the Prime Minister
• 23:17
  Speaker 15: is he has no relationship with the President of the
• 23:20
  Speaker 15: United States because he's not met him. I mean, it
• 23:24
  Speaker 15: means he goes to Beijing without the one great advantage
• 23:29
  Speaker 15: Australia has always had in Asia, and that is that
• 23:33
  Speaker 15: it has been the country which is closest to the
• 23:37
  Speaker 15: United States of any country in the region, and the
• 23:41
  Speaker 15: United States is the country ultimately on which we all
• 23:45
  Speaker 15: depend for the balance of power in Asia. So and
• 23:49
  Speaker 15: it's in that sense the Prime Minister goes to Beijing
• 23:53
  Speaker 15: with a relatively weak hand.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Well, speaking of that, it will be his second trip
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: to China in two You isn't as you say, he
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: hasn't got this meeting with Trump. I mean, do you
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: see this as part of a drift are drift closer
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: to Beijing? Especially with that speech that John Curtin speech
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: that Albanize gave recently, he seemed to be suggesting.
• 24:15
  Speaker 15: That, Yeah, I mean, he is beginning to downplay the
• 24:22
  Speaker 15: importance of the US alliance. He looks at it in
• 24:25
  Speaker 15: entirely in that speech, looks at it entally in the
• 24:30
  Speaker 15: wrong way. He just thinks, the US Alliance exists, so
• 24:36
  Speaker 15: America can come to our support if somebody invades Australia.
• 24:41
  Speaker 11: But it's much more than that. The US alliance that.
• 24:46
  Speaker 15: We have is part of the broad balance of power
• 24:50
  Speaker 15: relationship in the Indo Pacific region. And he doesn't even
• 24:55
  Speaker 15: begin to understand the importance of the balance of power
• 24:59
  Speaker 15: in the Indo Pacific region.
• 25:01
  Speaker 11: If you want a peaceful region, you need.
• 25:04
  Speaker 15: An active America in the region, working closely with its
• 25:08
  Speaker 15: allies and allies who contribute to that alliance. He has
• 25:13
  Speaker 15: to try to think in those broader terms. So yeah,
• 25:18
  Speaker 15: I think what he has do he is doing is
• 25:21
  Speaker 15: reducing the importance of the American Alliance. After all, President
• 25:25
  Speaker 15: Trump has been the president since January this year, it's
• 25:29
  Speaker 15: now July, and he still hasn't even even met President
• 25:34
  Speaker 15: Trump in that time, and rushing off to Beijing, which
• 25:39
  Speaker 15: is the power that the United States and its allies
• 25:43
  Speaker 15: are trying to balance in the Indo Pacific region.
• 25:46
  Speaker 11: I mean, it's a bit odd.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: It's odd, and it's embarrassing, I think too. And look,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: speaking of Trump, we've got this ongoing tariff war concerns
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: now that the US President's proposal to slap a two
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: hundred tax on pharmaceuticals could impact the PBS.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: We also find out today.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Trump will follow through on this fifty percent tariff on copper,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: citing security concerns.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: What are your thoughts.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: About these two specific tariffs, especially given how es central
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: copper is for the defense sector.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: Is this the right call, It's the wrongful.
• 26:22
  Speaker 15: I'm not a supporter of tariffs at all, and I
• 26:25
  Speaker 15: think it is the real downside of the Trump administration, the.
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: Passion that President Trump has for tariffs.
• 26:34
  Speaker 15: Though there are many upsides and they've done many things well,
• 26:37
  Speaker 15: but this is one thing which is not a positive
• 26:41
  Speaker 15: contributor to the stability of the global economy. However, faced
• 26:50
  Speaker 15: with the threat of these tariffs, the Prime minister should
• 26:54
  Speaker 15: I mean, he's our head of government. He should be
• 26:58
  Speaker 15: engaging with is American counterpart President Trump.
• 27:03
  Speaker 11: He should build a relationship with him.
• 27:06
  Speaker 15: By contrast, Keir Starmer, the British labor Prime Minister, coming
• 27:12
  Speaker 15: from a completely different political perspective from President Trump. He
• 27:17
  Speaker 15: has built a very successful relationship with Trump and that's
• 27:21
  Speaker 15: been very much to.
• 27:22
  Speaker 11: The advantage of the UK.
• 27:25
  Speaker 15: It's just an extraordinary thing that the Prime Minister of
• 27:29
  Speaker 15: Australia has such a distant, apparently cold relationship with the
• 27:35
  Speaker 15: President of the United States, who he has apparently never met.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: It does not bode well at all.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Just finally, very quickly, the European Court of Human Rights
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: has found Russia was in fact responsible for the downing
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: of Flight M seventeen, which two hundred and ninety eight people,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: including thirty eight Australians, died. Alexander I think this was
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: already pretty clear. But how much weight, if any, does
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: this find and carry and do we have any hope
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: of ever getting justice just quickly?
• 28:04
  Speaker 15: Well, we have to persuade the Russians and that won't
• 28:09
  Speaker 15: be possible in the short term. And this just confirms
• 28:12
  Speaker 15: what we already know. The European Court of Justice doesn't
• 28:17
  Speaker 15: have any jurisdiction in Russia though, because Russia was expelled
• 28:21
  Speaker 15: from the Court and from the European Court Human Rights
• 28:27
  Speaker 15: Convention some years ago, so it's symbolic.
• 28:31
  Speaker 11: It doesn't have any practical.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Meaning Alexander Danna, thank you so much for your time
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: after the break yesterday, pharmaceutical and copper tariffs today a
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: potential orcers price hike. Is it stubbornness or ineptitude keeping
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: alban easy from sorting out his Trump problem? Either way,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: it's humiliating. Peter Jennings will join us to discuss next.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the major concern of the day. The
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: United States may demand Australia pay more for submarines under
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: the Orcus Pact, in what some are calling a shakedown
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: and yet another sign this PM needs to get it
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: together when it comes to America. It's thought US Under
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Secretary of Defense for Policy Lbridge Colby wants major changes
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: before Australia gets its promised nuclear submarines. Here with Senator
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: James Patterson today.
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: We are entitled to try and influence that process, and
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: any country with any diplomatic heft or ability to move
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: quickly would be all over this. We should be able
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: to save UCAS, but we are not going to save
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: UCAS if we just let this thing on cruise, if
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: we don't take charge of it, if the Prime Minister
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: doesn't personally take.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Charge of it, Meanwhile, Green Senator Nick McKim had this
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: very different take.
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: It's an absolute dud deal and Australia should walk away
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: from it. There's plenty of other things we invest that
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: money into, both in the defense space but also endoing
• 30:04
  Speaker 9: more to help Australians who really need social supports.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Joining me now is Peter Jennings, director at Strategic Analysis Australia. Peter,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: this potential US request to pay more under ORCAS has
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: unleashed total fury.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: In some quarters.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Do you think that's justified and do you think it
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: will actually happen, that will be asked to pay more
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: and how will Australia respond.
• 30:31
  Speaker 16: Well, I think what we've got to get our heads
• 30:32
  Speaker 16: around is that we will need to pay more for
• 30:35
  Speaker 16: our own security. We don't have a complete sense of
• 30:39
  Speaker 16: the real cost of the orcust Submarines. I mean, it's
• 30:43
  Speaker 16: a twenty year project, Caroline, so how could we possibly
• 30:46
  Speaker 16: know at this point? And I think what the Americans
• 30:49
  Speaker 16: are going to be saying to us is we want
• 30:51
  Speaker 16: to see more signs of seriousness from your Australia that
• 30:54
  Speaker 16: you're actually going to do this. So, okay, you've got
• 30:58
  Speaker 16: a couple of hundred people under t right now. But
• 31:01
  Speaker 16: where's that port that you need to build on the
• 31:03
  Speaker 16: east coast of for the country. Where's the nuclear storage
• 31:06
  Speaker 16: facility that you can use to house spent reactors? You know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 16: these are billions of dollars worth of costs which we
• 31:13
  Speaker 16: will have to spend ourselves if we want to be
• 31:15
  Speaker 16: serious about getting the submarine capability. So I don't think
• 31:19
  Speaker 16: it's necessarily about more money into the pockets of Americans,
• 31:22
  Speaker 16: although it's their submarine technology that they're selling. It's about
• 31:26
  Speaker 16: whether or not we're going to spend enough to actually
• 31:28
  Speaker 16: look after our own defense. And that's the thing our
• 31:31
  Speaker 16: government seems to be so reluctant about right now.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, they have refused that request from Pete Hagsath,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: the US Defense or Secretary, to increase defense spending as
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: a proportion to our GDP.
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: Haven't they. Look.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Trump's mammoth threats to China and Russia have been exposed
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: in some leaked audio, and according to this audio obtained
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: by CNN, Trump tolls a toll the private gathering of
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Dome he'd once sought to deter Vladimir Putin from invading
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Ukraine by threatening to bomb the s out of Moscow
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: if he did so, here's the clip.
• 32:12
  Speaker 17: Said, if you go in to Ukraine, I'm telling you
• 32:18
  Speaker 17: I would the presidentship, Jana.
• 32:20
  Speaker 11: But I said the same thing to them. I said,
• 32:22
  Speaker 11: you know, if.
• 32:22
  Speaker 12: You're going to what over the biblisher and he believe.
• 32:26
  Speaker 17: He except ten percent and ten percent five Poul.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: Peter.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: This was back in twenty twenty four when Trump was
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: still just seeking a second term. And of course we've
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: seen him go hot and cold on Putin as president.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: But did this reveal anything to you?
• 32:44
  Speaker 16: Yes, that he'll say anything in front of a bunch
• 32:47
  Speaker 16: of Republican donors. So I guess, Caroline, that's what it says,
• 32:50
  Speaker 16: and it's not to be believed fact. Thank goodness.
• 32:55
  Speaker 18: You know.
• 32:55
  Speaker 16: Trump has actually shown himself to be one of the
• 32:57
  Speaker 16: more risk averse American presidents would it comes to using
• 33:00
  Speaker 16: military force overseas. And I think the giveaway in his
• 33:04
  Speaker 16: comments was his observation while Putin might have believed me
• 33:09
  Speaker 16: for ten percy. So he's kind of showing himself to
• 33:12
  Speaker 16: be the New York real estate negotiator we know him
• 33:16
  Speaker 16: to be. I don't think we should take anything he
• 33:18
  Speaker 16: says particularly seriously, but and bear in mind this is
• 33:23
  Speaker 16: pre his election, So I don't believe that he was
• 33:28
  Speaker 16: planning to bomb Moscow, and I don't think the Russians
• 33:31
  Speaker 16: thought it, and I don't think.
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: He was serious.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: No, no, it wouldn't seem that way, And you're right,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: he probably would say anything, but he is all about.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: The art of the deal.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Hamas has announced it will release ten Israeli hostages
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: from Gaza as part of the progression of these seas
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: fire talks. It said, in the framework of Hamas's commitment
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: to ensuring the success of ongoing efforts, the movement displayed
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: the required flexibility and agreed to release ten prisoners. And
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: by prisoners, of course, they mean innocent Israeli hostagees Peter.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: This is surely a welcome development, though so too Nanyahu's
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: saying that there is a good chance of a ceasefire,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: but do you think we will see one at the stage?
• 34:17
  Speaker 16: Well, it's welcome, but agonizing at the same time. I mean,
• 34:20
  Speaker 16: one of the challenges that israelp has faced is that
• 34:24
  Speaker 16: it's negotiating with Hamas, which is the entity that it's
• 34:28
  Speaker 16: it wants to destroy and to exile from Gaza. So
• 34:33
  Speaker 16: if a ceasefire is agreed. What that means is that
• 34:35
  Speaker 16: Hamas remains the dominant political entity in Gaza. I don't
• 34:41
  Speaker 16: think we've come to the end of the conflict yet.
• 34:44
  Speaker 16: I think Israel is determined, beyond rescuing the hostages to
• 34:48
  Speaker 16: try and find a way to depose Hamas from political
• 34:52
  Speaker 16: power in Gaza. That's the tougher and longer term objective.
• 34:57
  Speaker 16: So we've got to think about this as being a
• 35:00
  Speaker 16: sort of a tactical situation which is designed around maybe
• 35:04
  Speaker 16: being able to get some hostages back, but it doesn't
• 35:06
  Speaker 16: really fix the longer term need, which is that her
• 35:09
  Speaker 16: Mask cannot be in power in Gaza into the future.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's going to be very difficult to get
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: her master agree to that, isn't it. Peter Jennings, thank
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: you so much for your time. Up next, the celebrity
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: rabbi who wants our prime minister banned from entering the
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: United States of America, and he says the Trump administration
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: is listening.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: Rabbi Shmooley joins me.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Next, Welcome back a high profile American rabbi.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Rabbi Schmooley has.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Published an open letter calling on Donald Trump to ban
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanesi from entering the US.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: Rabbi Shmooley writes President Donald J. Trump. I write to
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: you now with urgent moral concern.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I implore you to take the extraordinary but necessary step
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: of publicly calling for a ban on Australian Prime Minister
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Anthony Alberizi from entering the United States of America, and
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Rabbi Schmooley claims his connections with the administration are seriously
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: considering his request. I spoke to the Rabbi from Miami
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: earlier today.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Well, Caroline, I love Australia, I love an Australia and
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: my wife of thirty seven years, and I am the
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: father of nine Australian citizens. Australia is becoming a global
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: pariah nation as we read daily of abominable antisemitic attacks.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Why should we allow Australians to be pariahs when it
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: is Anthony Albernizi who should be the pariah. He is
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: the prime minister who did nothing with Jews were balled
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: upon to be guessed October ninth, twenty twenty three. He
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: did nothing when a synagogue was burned to the ground
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: last December. He played tennis literally through its burning. Took
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: them days to get there. He has not even visited
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Victoria or Melbourne after the Sabbath from Hell the Gehenna sad.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: But this past weekend.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Where a synagogue was torched, bars Jewish bars were burnt
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: down and an Israeli restaurant was targeted for absolute vilification
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: destruction as people called for Jews the ideas to be murdered.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Albanisi has become an Australian abomin nation. He has no
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: place in the United States. He should be banned by
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: President Trump. We are using every contact we have in
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: the Trump administration, from Secretary of State Marco Rubio to
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: HHS Secretary of my very close friend Robert Kennedy Junior,
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: whose first cousin, Caroline was the ambassador until recently in Canberra.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: From the United States, we're speaking to Steve whitbuff ALBINIZI
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: should be sanctioned as a pariah.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: And not allowed to enter this great nation.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: So, Rabbi, this is more than just a letter.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: You've got people in the administration actually considering this.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: How is it being received.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: I think it's received with great pain and with great credibility.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: I think that Australia until very recently had the reputation
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: of having the Chillis vibe in the entire world. You know,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: fair dicome and drimp on the Barbie interests. And I'm
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: sorry to sounds the crocodile dundee watching American, But we
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: Americans loved Australia.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I studied there for two years. I lived in Bondai.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: If you would have told me that when I visited
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Australia three months ago that I would have people stopping
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: me on Kouji Beach saying pre Palestine, you know, with
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: a Hyle Hitler salute.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: If you would have told me.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: That during my speech on anti Semitism it would be
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: disrupted by the most despicable hecklers and the police called
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: in Sydney who go through the motions, Oh, we're going
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: to arrest them and then release them instantly. If you
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: would have told me that all acaust survivors' children and
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: grandchildren and the survivors themselves are thinking of leaving Australia
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: after having been granted sanctuary in that beautiful country in
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: the nineteen fifties, when Australia accepted one.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Wallcusts vibor for every one Jew that was.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Living a one to one ratio about fifty thousand, bringing
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: the community to one hundred thousand. Now it's a one hundred
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: and twenty thousand. If you would have told me that
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: these people now want to leave and move Tosual because
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: they do all feel safe, I would never have believed it.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: It is all Albanisi.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: The government does have a new anti Semitism report today.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: What do you think of that?
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: It was in Australia two months ago speaking, I could
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: have produced a report in ten minutes. Australia is becoming
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: a sewer of anti Semitism. It's becoming assessin of jew
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: hatreds Arrest the.
• 39:32
  Speaker 18: Perpetrators, stop condemning Israel, stop funding universities whose students are
• 39:38
  Speaker 18: doing these encampments to intimidate and harass other Jewish students
• 39:42
  Speaker 18: and make it weird that no one can immigrate into
• 39:45
  Speaker 18: the country if they have social media posts where they
• 39:47
  Speaker 18: hate Jews.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: There's your report. Why did it take a year?
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: The government says it's only considering implementing the recommendations out
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: of its new report.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: What do you make of that?
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: I think it's perfectly in align with with with Albinizi,
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: which is why I'm calling for him to be banned
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: from the United States. What is required now is the
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: ultimate international censure against the Prime Minister of Australia official.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: How serious this is, he must be barred entry from
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: the United States of America. Australia uses this school all
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: the time. They recently barred one of the world's you know, foremost.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Defenders of Israel, a man named mister foold. I have
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: no idea.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Why think about Albanizi? What business does he have coming
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: to Washington, DC, for instance? All he doesn't even really
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: want to come here, So let's ban him anyway, because
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: all he wants to do is suck up to China.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: He isn through all with dictators. He loves totalitarianism. He
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: puts economy before human rights. And then he think, dares
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: damn Israel. This is a man that is sucking up
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: to the Chinese day and night. Although the Chinese are
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: guilty of a real genocide against the Vegas, the Jews
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: are guilty of nothing but wanting to defend themselves and
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: liberate the Palestinians from Tamas. Every innocent Palestinian child who
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: is dying in Gaza right now is a child of God.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: They are of infinite value.
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: They are the same value, of course, of every Jewish
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: and Christian child, and every single one of those children
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: is dead because of Tamas.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Tamas, Tamas using them as human shields. Tamas uses these children.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: It's as if they strapped Kalestinian babies to their front
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: and back and use them as bulletproof.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: Vest I want every Australian watching this to ask yourself
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: a simple question.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: I lived in Australia.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: A marriage in Australian Canberra is a is a forty
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: five minute flight from Melbourne. You want to tell me
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: that Anthony ALBERIZI couldn't get on and government provided yet
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: to go to the East Melbourne Synagogue and say I
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: am the leader of this country.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: You Jews are not alone.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: He couldn't go to the Israeli owned restaurant and tell
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: the owner you are not alone.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I am with you.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: The US has today imposed sanctions on another Albanesi, Francesca Albanesi,
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: the UN Special Rappertoire for the occupied Palestinian territories.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: A good move.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Not only is a good move, but let me tell you, Carolina,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: I think we should get two Albanesis for the price
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: of one. The United States through Marco Rubio. I'm speaking
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: to you from Florida. He was the Senator from Florida.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: I know the senator now the secretary, and he's a
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: great man. His actions show how much the Trump administration
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: in general and American people in particular are behind the
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: state of Israel.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: And she now cannot come to the United States. She
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: is banned. Let's get two Alberanitis for the.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: Price of one. In the same way that we ban
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Francesco Albanesi, who can never stop condemning Israel and wants
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: to choose to have no right to defend themselves, we
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: must now ban Anthony Albanesi, who is almost basically there.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: After the break insulin resistant, Bobby Mattel releases a doll
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: with diabetes.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: That's next come back.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Well viewers will no doubt be pleased to learn that
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: our defense department has used our hard earned taxpayer funds,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: no not to help our flailing defense force, but to
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: produce our harmony cookbook.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: What insanity will they cook up next?
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Joining me to discuss this is the Daily Telegraphs Tim
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Blair and Mark Nicholson from step Mate Studios. Welcome to
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: you both, Tim, this has got to be some sort
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: of joke. We're in the most precarious time geopolitically since
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: World War Two? Do they think a mean pastor will
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: help stave off our enemies?
• 43:38
  Speaker 19: They should be promoting recipes of death? And you know,
• 43:41
  Speaker 19: I mean there's a certain people.
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: Aaron Patterson might be able to nominate.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: One I work.
• 43:48
  Speaker 19: Just you mentioned World War two. Imagine if in World
• 43:50
  Speaker 19: War two it is often our soldiers took a break
• 43:53
  Speaker 19: to flick through the latest sushi recipes coming out of Russiama,
• 43:57
  Speaker 19: and it's it's not exactly mission critical to get your
• 44:03
  Speaker 19: to get your venues correct.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: No, it isn't.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: But you know, more broadly, Mark, do you think you
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: know Defense Minister Richard Miles has ordered these sweeping reforms
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: of his department. Do you reckon this is the kind
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: of thing that will be culled first?
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: It has to be surely Like I was, much like
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: most people. I woke up and saw that this morning
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: and went, oh god, we're cooked. This is what's going on,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: As you said, geo politically, look what's going on. Iran's
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: cooking this up, cooking up nuclear bombs, where nuking wrissoles.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know what we're doing in this cookbook. You
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: know we've got orcust falling apart.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: This is what we're up to.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: But I think you've nailed Carolina Reckon. This might be
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: part of a bigger strategy here, which is lure them in,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: make them think we've got some woke, incompetent, useless, pathetic
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: defense force. Don't show a defense force, give them an
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: invitation to dinner, and serve him up a lethal dish
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: of death to him, Beef Wellington with secret recipe, serve
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: that up and they never saw it coming. Maybe that's
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: what it is, But unfortunately I don't think Richard Marles
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: is capable of such a strategy.
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: On, No, I don't think so.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: I do know someone in custody who has a currently
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: who has a recipe for one of those recipes. Now, look,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: if only there was a recipe for fixing diplomatic relations,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: I definitely know a prime minister who could use it.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: Look, let's some move on to something else.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Should motorists be entitled to a toll free day when
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: they get stuck in traffic for hours on end due
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: to complex accidents? There was really heavy congestion yesterday here
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: in Sydney in all directions following a full car crash
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: on the Sydney Harbor Bridge. One person had to be freed,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: but its compensation. The acting opposition leader in New South Wales,
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Damien tewed Hope.
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: Floated this idea of a toll free day. Tim your thoughts.
• 45:54
  Speaker 19: In a people realize when they live in city that
• 45:57
  Speaker 19: it's a great, big city with lots of things called
• 46:00
  Speaker 19: cars and lots of lanes of traffic, and that every
• 46:02
  Speaker 19: so often things might just go a little bit, you know,
• 46:06
  Speaker 19: outside of the boundaries, and there will big collisions as
• 46:10
  Speaker 19: painful and often as deadly as those collisions will be.
• 46:12
  Speaker 19: This is reality of living in a big city. And
• 46:16
  Speaker 19: the Sydney slows down a huge amountment just you know,
• 46:18
  Speaker 19: a few splashes of water hit the road. Let alone,
• 46:21
  Speaker 19: we have head on impacts that require medical and emergency attendance.
• 46:26
  Speaker 19: So I don't think I don't think it's going to
• 46:29
  Speaker 19: make a great deal difference if they throw a few
• 46:31
  Speaker 19: bucks at each motorist. Also, it's just a little bit
• 46:34
  Speaker 19: sort of shy of where they should be policy wise
• 46:36
  Speaker 19: at the moment instead of just you know, compensating people
• 46:39
  Speaker 19: for a fifteen or twenty minute or a half hour,
• 46:41
  Speaker 19: whatever delay it was on this uber ridge. Maybe look
• 46:44
  Speaker 19: at why energy prices are insane and why you have
• 46:48
  Speaker 19: to wells is coppying the worst of them.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be a good place to start.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Now, Trump says he would be putting America first, and
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: now he's hiking up the costs for foreign well hikers.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: He was Trump announcing his latest executive order.
• 47:02
  Speaker 17: I've just signed an executive order to raise entrance fees
• 47:07
  Speaker 17: for foreign tourists while keeping prices low for Americans. And
• 47:11
  Speaker 17: we're going to do that. The national parks will be
• 47:15
  Speaker 17: about America first.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: Mark, Will this have an impact on your travel plans?
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: No, I'd be happy to pay it, to be honest,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm a bit flat on Trump in
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: general after the last couple of days with the Epstein
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Least stuff, I'm super flat on him. But you can't
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: walk away from it, just how much he does want
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: to put America first. And this is one of those things,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Like I looked it up. We don't have like a
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: comparison here. We don't pay for national parks, but SeaWorld
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: like a theme park, you know, that's one hundred and
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: twenty nine dollars a ticket. That's just one day. That's
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: not a three park superpass. That's just one theme park
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: for a day. That's tourism pricing. That's tourist pricing. That's
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: not what national should be paying. That's not what citizens
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: should be paying. So another way to phrase this is
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: not that tourists should be paid, should be paying water
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: go to national parks. Citizens should be getting there into
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: their cheaper in the States.
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: So I kind of agree.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: If I'm going to go to the States, I'll save
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: up my shekels, I'll get down there and I'm happy
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: to tip in to help the national park. And I
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: think it should be the same for SeaWorld, Movie World,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Wild all the same down here as well.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, the process are exorbitant. You know, in Singapore
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: they charge you more if you're a citizen to go
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: to the casino because they want less people to go
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: to the casino.
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: The foreigners, they're happy.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: To take their money, but tim with tips, unfavorable exchange rate,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: a trip to the US is already out of reach
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: from many Australians at the moment. Do you think that
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: this executive water is going to have an impact on
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: us here?
• 48:37
  Speaker 19: Well, I'll be there next month. Carolin, so I'll be
• 48:39
  Speaker 19: able to report firsthand on poverty and my own personal hardship.
• 48:45
  Speaker 19: But I think I think Trump, for all of is
• 48:48
  Speaker 19: obvious financial acumen and creativity when it comes to government policies,
• 48:52
  Speaker 19: might be missing something here. Why not make inferance to
• 48:55
  Speaker 19: the parts free for foreign visitors but you have to
• 48:58
  Speaker 19: pay to get out rather than maybe there are terrifying
• 49:04
  Speaker 19: pythons through all matal creatures in the part. You know
• 49:07
  Speaker 19: there's there's alligator altacas. He's opened up there in Florida.
• 49:10
  Speaker 19: If you're paying to get it out, it's not going
• 49:12
  Speaker 19: to be a few bucks, is it. It's not going
• 49:14
  Speaker 19: to be one hundred and twenty dollars of the paying
• 49:15
  Speaker 19: up at a place in Queensland. Oh, people will be
• 49:18
  Speaker 19: paying thousands, and very willingly too.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, Mark this probably it didn't help your feelings
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: about Trump. All these latest tariffs in the news today
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: we learned about this orcast deal might cost us more.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, at this point we really need Alban easy
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: to secure a meeting with him. But do you have
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: any confidence he's going to be able to do that?
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Zero?
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Absolutely zero, Like I wouldn't trust this bloke to hold
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: my phone, let alone deal on my behalf, on behalf
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: of the country. Now, if anything, he's going to make
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: this worse. And as we just saw from Rabbi Schmooley
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: as well just before us was watching the segment while
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: I was waiting to come on air.
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, he's going to make it.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: He's actually he's gonna put his foot in it and
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: going to make it worse.
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: If anything, I don't know.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: We just just keep quiet and maybe maybe it'll all
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: work out without him. That's that's the best I can
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: hope for it, because he's just super negligent.
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: I don't know what to expect. Maybe it would work
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: out better without him. Actually, that's a good point. Look. Lastly,
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: to a.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Big day in Barbie history, Mattel has just launched its
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: latest Barbie doll, who has type one diabetes, as well
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: as pretty frogs and heels. Her accessories include a continuous
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: gluecoast monitor and an insulin pump. Tim I'm sure, look,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: some will welcome this is a great move for representation,
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: but really, what is next colostomy bag Barbie.
• 50:43
  Speaker 19: Well, I'm actually kind of in favor of this one, Carolin,
• 50:46
  Speaker 19: because please type one diabetes especially you know, type two diabetes.
• 50:50
  Speaker 19: You know, we're as you get her up around my
• 50:52
  Speaker 19: sort of age and dietary habits and alcohol hobbiest type
• 50:57
  Speaker 19: you know, more of a self inflicted thing. Type one.
• 51:00
  Speaker 19: It's get it, and they have to sort of deal
• 51:02
  Speaker 19: with these sort of issues. So no, I'm fine with
• 51:04
  Speaker 19: the I'm fine with the diabetes barbie as long as
• 51:06
  Speaker 19: we don't get to the amputation barbie, which is one
• 51:09
  Speaker 19: of the drastic side effects of that illness.
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for dame, putation would be a bit awkward.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, actually, I would like to see type two
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: diabetes mark because that would be a plus size barbie.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: I think that's a politically correct.
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: Term we have for that. Now, Will you be buying
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: one of these dolls?
• 51:26
  Speaker 16: I think it's genius.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: I agree with him. I think this is capitalism, by
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: the way. I think, like I'm looking forward to because
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: it's a genetic condition. We've got asthma barbie coming as well,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: which is you got to think this is all about
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: the extras. You've got to buy the insulin for type
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: one diabetes Barbie. That doesn't come free. You've got to
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: you've got to update that that glucose monitor, does it
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: not free? You got asthma, Barbie, you gotta get the
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: ventil and pump or you've got anaphoal axis. She gets
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: this little Barbie EPI pen. There's a whole bunch of
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: extras there.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: This is not this is capitalist.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Needs to have both of you as consultants. Tim Mark,
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: thanks for your time. It's all the time we have
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: for tonight. I'll be back tomorrow for Steve Price. But
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: up next is Peter Cretlin.
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: Good not