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Missing Connecticut Mom of 5 Jennifer Dulos Estranged Hubby new Claim: medical bill proves my wife is alive! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Today on Crime Stories, we head to Connecticut. The attorney
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  Speaker 1: for a strange husband, Fotus Dulos, the husband of missing
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  Speaker 1: Connecticut mom of five Jennifer Dulos, is added again with
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  Speaker 1: another theory to drag the missing victim, the mom through
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  Speaker 1: the mud, joining Nancy Grace, Fame trial attorney Penny Douglas,
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  Speaker 1: FIR forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan from Radar Online, Alexis
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  Speaker 1: Terrez Chuck, investigative journalists for Crime Online Dave Mack and
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  Speaker 1: in the Crime Online Studios Jackie Howard Crime Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. An update from New Canan tonight, We're friends
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  Speaker 1: and family of a missing New can woman are reacting
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  Speaker 1: to the newest claims being made by her estranged husband's attorney.
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  Speaker 1: As we reported, Norm Pattis again asked the Chord for
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  Speaker 1: access to Jennifer Dulos's medical records, saying they show she
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  Speaker 1: saw a doctor six weeks after she disappeared. A spokesman
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  Speaker 1: for the friends and family of Jennifer say the bill
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  Speaker 1: is a routine quarterly statement with no connection to in
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  Speaker 1: person visits. The statement goes on to say to allege
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  Speaker 1: that Jennifer, together with her family orchestrated her own disappearance
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  Speaker 1: is baseless and cruel. Well, the attorney for a strange husband,
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  Speaker 1: Phonus Dulos, the husband of missing Connecticut mom of five
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos, is added again with another theory to drag
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  Speaker 1: the missing victim, the mom through the mud. Her family
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  Speaker 1: speaking out, I don't blame him. I would be screaming
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  Speaker 1: out as he Grace. This is crime stories. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. You were just hearing our friends
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  Speaker 1: there at News twelve Connecticut. Looks like Jennifer Dulos is
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  Speaker 1: a strange husband. Photus Dulos and his lawyer no no
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  Speaker 1: bounds and what they will say to besmirch the name
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  Speaker 1: of Jennifer Dulos, a mother of five. In the last hours,
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  Speaker 1: the family of missing Connecticut mom Jennifer Dulos slam a
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  Speaker 1: claim by a strange husband, Photus Dulos, that she Jennifer
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  Speaker 1: got medical treatment after she disappeared. Jennifer Dulos, as you know,
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  Speaker 1: has been missing now since the end of May. Her
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  Speaker 1: estranged husband, Photus Dulos, facing charges related to her disappearance,
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  Speaker 1: but not kidnapping, not murder, tampering with evidence. He allegedly
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  Speaker 1: is caught on video throwing out bloody clothing, bloody sponges.
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  Speaker 1: Last time Jennifer was seen, she took her children to school,
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  Speaker 1: came home. I don't believe she ever made it out
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  Speaker 1: of the family garage because there is blood spattered. There
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  Speaker 1: is blood dropping, not only in the family garage. Her
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  Speaker 1: cell phone stayed in her car. It never made it
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  Speaker 1: in the home. And that cell phone that she had
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  Speaker 1: with her as she dropped her children off at school
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  Speaker 1: that morning, traveled with her car where it was later
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  Speaker 1: abandoned in a dissly wooded area near a park. That garage,
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  Speaker 1: bloody blood on her car, blood on the other car
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  Speaker 1: that had been parked in the garage, but no Jennifer.
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  Speaker 1: The husband and his girlfriend allegedly spotted throwing out bloody sponges,
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  Speaker 1: bloody cleaning things like a mob bloody T shirts, a
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  Speaker 1: Vineyard Vines T shirt that had belonged to Jennifer, all bloody.
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  Speaker 1: Still no murder charge, no kidnapping charge. And it's just
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  Speaker 1: crazy how he suddenly turns into a neat neck getting
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  Speaker 1: his vehicle belonging to an employee cleaned and detailed, and
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  Speaker 1: then assisting the employee get rid of the back seat
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  Speaker 1: of his own car. Why Because Jennifer's blood was in
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  Speaker 1: the back seat of the employee's car that Fodus Dulos,
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  Speaker 1: the husband took without the employee's knowledge. And now in
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  Speaker 1: the last hours, he and his defense attorneys launched another
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  Speaker 1: claim that Jennifer's really alive and that she has orchestrated
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  Speaker 1: a disappearing act along with her family. Really, what about
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  Speaker 1: all those bloody clothes he allegedly was throwing out with
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  Speaker 1: his lover before we go to our all star panel.
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  Speaker 1: I have a legal expert with me right now. You
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  Speaker 1: know her, well, Penny Douglas Fir, who is no stranger
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  Speaker 1: to a divorce case. She's handled many, many of them,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Penny. I got a problem with this lawyer
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  Speaker 1: dragging Jennifer's name through the suggesting that this mom of five,
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  Speaker 1: very devoted mom of five, would intentionally pull a disappearing
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  Speaker 1: act along with her family and pretend she was murdered
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  Speaker 1: when she's got five children looking for her by pulling
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  Speaker 1: up some old medical bill that was computer generated. How
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  Speaker 1: could this come back and bite the husband in the neck? Well, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: even with his case, it hurts his case because every
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  Speaker 1: time he makes another allegation. It brings all of this
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  Speaker 1: up again. Everybody starts talking about the bloody clothes. People
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  Speaker 1: who are going to sit on the jury hear about
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  Speaker 1: the bloody clothes, and so I really think that to
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  Speaker 1: benefit his side of the case, he's better off just
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  Speaker 1: saying nothing at all until try. I mean, Penny Douglas,
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  Speaker 1: for you've tried and handled so many cases. How you
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  Speaker 1: and I met, You're on the other side of a
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  Speaker 1: felony case and I was prosecuting it. Long story short,
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  Speaker 1: That's why we have the Fifth Amendment. That is why
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  Speaker 1: it's part of the Bill of Rights, the first ten
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  Speaker 1: amendments to the Constitution. So people will get the hint,
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  Speaker 1: shut the hay up. But apparently he's not getting the message,
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  Speaker 1: because very often he's standing beside his lawyer with a
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  Speaker 1: freaky little smirky smile on his face while his lawyer
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  Speaker 1: drops another bombshell on Jennifer's family. I mean, there's a
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  Speaker 1: chance at these crazy theories. I mean, here's this one.
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  Speaker 1: They get a bill for Jennifer's medical treatment and then
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  Speaker 1: they take to the airwaves claiming, oh, this bill was
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  Speaker 1: after she goes missing. So this show she's alive. The
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  Speaker 1: family fights back and says, no, ageant. It's a computer
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  Speaker 1: generated bill, just like you get an American Express bill
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  Speaker 1: or whatever bill in the mail. This is a bill
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  Speaker 1: for previous medical treatment, whatever it may have been. But Penny,
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  Speaker 1: why would they do this? Well, it makes him look stupid.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand why they're doing this. Talking period just
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  Speaker 1: doesn't help his side. There's nothing that helps his side.
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  Speaker 1: Once they found this blood on things that he was
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  Speaker 1: throwing in the trash ken and it turned out to
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  Speaker 1: be her blood, He's better off just letting it go
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  Speaker 1: away and letting time pass because bringing things up and
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  Speaker 1: continuing to talk will hurt him tremendously because these things
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  Speaker 1: he's talking about they could come back up at trial,
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  Speaker 1: and when they do, he looks totally crazy. How in
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  Speaker 1: the world did we get here? And where is Jennifer
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  Speaker 1: Dulo's Connecticut mom of five? Take a listen to our
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  Speaker 1: friends at ABC. This is the second time that photos
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  Speaker 1: Dulos has been arrested in connection with the disappearance of
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  Speaker 1: his estranged wife, Jennifer, a mother of five. She's been
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  Speaker 1: missing since May twenty four. Mister Dulos taken an accustomed
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  Speaker 1: to afternoon at his home in Farmington, and we're told
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  Speaker 1: he will be charged with tampering with evidence again. Dulos
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  Speaker 1: and his girlfriend Ltraconas have been free on a half
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  Speaker 1: million dollars bail each since they're arrest in early June.
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  Speaker 1: At the time they were charged with hindering prosecution and
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  Speaker 1: evidence tampering. Dulos has been under GPS monitoring. He is
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  Speaker 1: not allowed to have contact with any of his five children. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: no sighting of Jennifer Dulos since her disappearance. They beliefs
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  Speaker 1: believe a serious assault took place in the Dulos home.
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  Speaker 1: They found blood splatters and stains, along with evidence of
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  Speaker 1: an attempted cleanup. A man resembling mister Dulos was seen
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  Speaker 1: on surveillance cameras dumping garbage bags in various spots in Hartford.
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  Speaker 1: Dulos has denied any wrongdoing, but again he is under
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  Speaker 1: arrest again and again charged with evidence tampering. And still
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  Speaker 1: the big mystery, what happened to Jennifer Dulos and those
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  Speaker 1: five children without their mom and in a very real
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  Speaker 1: sense now also without their father. What we know right
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  Speaker 1: now is he is facing this allegedly successful real estate
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  Speaker 1: developer facing additional tampering with evidence charges. Now that is
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  Speaker 1: not her make But you've got to ask yourself, why
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  Speaker 1: is the estranged husband tampering with evidence crime stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace bombshell in the last hour or the estranged
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  Speaker 1: husband of missing Connecticut Mama five Jennifer Dulos lawyer says,
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  Speaker 1: she's not missing, she's not dead, She's still alive and
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  Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, has fabricated an intricate plan
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  Speaker 1: to stage her own disappearance. This after we learn from
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  Speaker 1: an extensive affidavit that police are eyeing her husband, Photos Dulos,
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  Speaker 1: and his lover because they say the two were caught
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  Speaker 1: on video surveillance video throwing out bloody items and over
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  Speaker 1: twenty stops items that are positive for Jennifer Dulos blood.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, Jennifer's five children are in the temporary custody
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  Speaker 1: of Jennifer's mother, husband Photus Dulos has tried every trick
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  Speaker 1: in the book to get a hold of her medical records.
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  Speaker 1: Why this latest allegation that Jennifer Dulos has faked her
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  Speaker 1: own disappearance, as proven by a computer generated medical bill
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  Speaker 1: that was generated after she goes missing. That is the
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  Speaker 1: evidence the defense lawyer is using for this bizarre claim.
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  Speaker 1: With me right now before we go back to our panel.
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  Speaker 1: Renowned attorney, no stranger to family law courts, Penny Douglas
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  Speaker 1: Fur in the Atlanta jurisdiction. Penny, this is just one
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  Speaker 1: of many, many claims outlandish claims Photus Dulos lawyer has made.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, they said that Jennifer Dulos I had
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  Speaker 1: written a quote Gone Girl novel script and that that
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  Speaker 1: script was basically that screenplay was basically a blueprint for
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  Speaker 1: her disappearance. All right. Another claim that photos Dulos has
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  Speaker 1: thrown out there is that his wife Jennifer had quote
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  Speaker 1: serious psychological problems and was a quote hermit for years
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  Speaker 1: before he asked her for a divorce. Remember he's the
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  Speaker 1: one that was having an affair. Now, this is despite
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  Speaker 1: being banned from speaking about Jennifer by the trial judge,
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  Speaker 1: he goes on to speak to Pronto Thema last week
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  Speaker 1: it's a Greek news website trashing his wife. Now, I
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  Speaker 1: find that very interesting, Penny Douglas Fur, because the court
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  Speaker 1: gave her primary custody. She was the one taking the
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  Speaker 1: children back and forth to school. She was the one
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  Speaker 1: carrying on normal relationships with her friends. She was the
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  Speaker 1: one that wanted a divorce after he was having an
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  Speaker 1: affair with I guess his first lover. Probably not, So
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  Speaker 1: why would he go to the press after being warned
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  Speaker 1: by the trial judge not to do that and trash
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  Speaker 1: her if she had any emotional promises. Probably because of him. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that can easily be turned on him, and divorce cases
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  Speaker 1: are hot beds for this kind of nastiness going back
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  Speaker 1: and forth between the two of them. However, he would
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  Speaker 1: be the first person they look at because if he's
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  Speaker 1: losing in the divorce and she's getting custody and she's
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  Speaker 1: winning these things, he's going to be hostile. He's going
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  Speaker 1: to be angry, and he's going after her. So it's
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  Speaker 1: worse for him in this murder text, well, it's like
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  Speaker 1: he can't be quiet. This interview that he gave this
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  Speaker 1: Greek news outlet was very lengthy and included claims that
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  Speaker 1: he was the one who wanted a divorce in twenty
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  Speaker 1: sixteen and eighteen. The reality is she's the one that
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  Speaker 1: filed for divorce in twenty seventeen. This was published on
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  Speaker 1: September twenty seven weeks after the judge gave a gag
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  Speaker 1: order banning him, and his lawyers were speaking out about
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer's character in any way that could impact the jury's opinion.
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  Speaker 1: And now they've done it again. What about the five children?
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna hear all this? What about that penny? He
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  Speaker 1: sounds like an arrogant socie pan and argante. That's one
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  Speaker 1: way to put it. I look from where I come from.
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  Speaker 1: A penny, we call it a horse's rear end they
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  Speaker 1: aka jackass. They're not concerned about their children. They care
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  Speaker 1: about one person themselves. And he's showing he doesn't care
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  Speaker 1: about his children by exactly what he's doing now. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand why the judge is not holding him
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  Speaker 1: in intent. I don't understand it either. Now. The reality
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  Speaker 1: is that time after time after time, he Fotus Duelos,
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  Speaker 1: through his lawyer, is violating the judge's gag order and
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  Speaker 1: dragging his I believe dead wife through the mud while
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  Speaker 1: he and his girlfriend, Michelle traconis walk free. Where is
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos, well, better put, where is her body? To
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  Speaker 1: syndicate A talk show host Dave mac Dave, I want
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  Speaker 1: to start at the beginning. Where did she go missing?
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  Speaker 1: When did she go missing? She dropped her children off
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  Speaker 1: at eight am. The next thing we know is that
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  Speaker 1: she missed an eleven am appointment. At twelve noon, the
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  Speaker 1: cleaning lady came by and there was nobody home. So
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  Speaker 1: the police have tightened the timeline down to the last time. Wa, whoa, whoa,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mac. Sorry, but I've got to isolate something. You
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  Speaker 1: just said she dropped the children off at school eight am.
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  Speaker 1: And let me just tell you, these people aren't slouch
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  Speaker 1: as they live in a very upscale area, possibly one
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  Speaker 1: of the most expensive areas outside of nine two one zero.
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  Speaker 1: It's surround the New Canaan area of Connecticut. And I
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  Speaker 1: learned living in New York that all the rich people
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  Speaker 1: would leave after work and take a train to New Canaan.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the really, really wealthy people. So I can't
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  Speaker 1: identify where the woman was living. The husband was living
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  Speaker 1: in a four point three million dollar mansion, but they
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  Speaker 1: had split up. Long story short, this is where I'm
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  Speaker 1: going with this, Dave Mac. Eight Am to eleven am
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  Speaker 1: with Me, Dave Mac. Syndicated talk show host Josica Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: I need you on this one. You know, when I'm
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  Speaker 1: making a cup of hot tea first thing in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: at about five AM, I do not expect a kidnap
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  Speaker 1: to go down. What I'm saying is, I've been prosecuting
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  Speaker 1: for many, many years, and it's much more unlikely for
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  Speaker 1: violent crime to occur first thing in the morning. Now
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  Speaker 1: this is just anecdotal for me, but it's really when
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  Speaker 1: you see a kidnap or a murderer or a violent
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  Speaker 1: crime occur first thing in the morning, what is that?
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  Speaker 1: I always say, Um, I felt perfectly perfectly safe going
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  Speaker 1: out in hand delivering subpoenas first thing in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: because all the dopers would still be asleep like vampires.
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  Speaker 1: So what is it that the crimes do happen? But
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  Speaker 1: it's very rare first thing in the morning. Yeah, you're right, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, even even swat teams and you know, drug
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  Speaker 1: task forth like you had stated, they will, they will
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  Speaker 1: go and serve warrants at these violent offenders homes generally
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  Speaker 1: at that period of time, because you know, these people
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  Speaker 1: are not going to be out of the bed by
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  Speaker 1: that time. Oh oh h w l no, because they've
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  Speaker 1: been up all night long breaking the law. Selling dope,
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  Speaker 1: driving around town trying to steal things an arm rob
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  Speaker 1: m M. You can set up a whole battering ram
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  Speaker 1: outside inside a doper's door at six am. They won't
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  Speaker 1: know anything's going on. They're dead to the world till
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  Speaker 1: about three pm. So can I just get a yes
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  Speaker 1: no on that, Scott? Yes? So, Dave, Matt, you're telling
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  Speaker 1: me she goes missing between eight and eleven. She even
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  Speaker 1: wanted to disappear and get away from her life mighty
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  Speaker 1: early in the morning. And we don't have any signs
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  Speaker 1: of her clothes being packed, or a bus ticket, a
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  Speaker 1: plane ticket, nothing like that, do we, Dave. When the
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  Speaker 1: police actually went to her rented home in New Canean,
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  Speaker 1: they found traces of blood and obvious signs that have
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  Speaker 1: been cleaned up so that the maid could not realize
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  Speaker 1: what had happened. So I'm assuming they use luminar or
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  Speaker 1: something along those lines to determine that it was enough blood.
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  Speaker 1: Who is they and who used the luminar? I'm sorry
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  Speaker 1: the police. The police all converged on her home to
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  Speaker 1: try to find her. And again we've got an eight
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  Speaker 1: am dropping off at school. By eleven am, she misses
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  Speaker 1: an appointment and by twelve noon, the maid says there's
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  Speaker 1: nobody here. When the police show up to investigate, they
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  Speaker 1: find traces of blood at such a level that they
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  Speaker 1: believe it had been cleaned up in an effort to
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  Speaker 1: conceal from the maid when she arrived it in. Her
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  Speaker 1: family says she was quote afraid for her life. That's
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  Speaker 1: what we're learning. That she was a quote nervous wreck
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  Speaker 1: after filing for a divorce from husband Fotus Dulos, her
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  Speaker 1: husband of thirteen years. Now, according to police, over thirty
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  Speaker 1: items of clothing and sponges bloodied have been found on
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  Speaker 1: a four mile stretch in Connecticut that DNA apparently matching
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  Speaker 1: up to Jennifer Dulos. But according to the husband's lawyers
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  Speaker 1: that the missing mom, Jennifer Dulos, writes a five hundred
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  Speaker 1: page Gone Girl's style script many years ago, and he
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  Speaker 1: is now claiming she had a quote troubled pass end
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  Speaker 1: quote struggled with drugs her whole life. That's interesting, straight
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  Speaker 1: out to Radar Online dot COM's Alexis terres Chuck, investigative reporter,
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  Speaker 1: because he's had five child with her, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: recall him ever calling de facts or causing any disturbance
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  Speaker 1: about the mom using drugs or ever having any problem
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  Speaker 1: leaving his children alone with her. Nope, none whatsoever. This is,
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  Speaker 1: according to her family, is coming from out of nowhere,
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  Speaker 1: that these are really dirty tactics to blame a victim,
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  Speaker 1: and they've never heard of any of this. And this
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  Speaker 1: novel that she wrote. She is a New York University
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  Speaker 1: n why you graduate in literature and she loved to
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  Speaker 1: write when her mom had met So this is just
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  Speaker 1: an old story that she wrote. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back by Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories of
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  Speaker 1: Fotus Dulos, the estranged husband of missing Connecticut mom of
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  Speaker 1: five Jennifer. Dulo's lawyer has stuck his foot in his
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  Speaker 1: very big mouth once again, this time claiming that because
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  Speaker 1: of a computer generated medical bill the family says medical
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  Speaker 1: services rendered long before it and Jennifer went missing, that
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  Speaker 1: it's proved she's alive and has as now perpetrating a
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  Speaker 1: fantastical hoax not only us, the public, the court system, prosecutors, investigators,
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  Speaker 1: but on her own five children as well, that she's
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  Speaker 1: really gone on her own volition, faked disappearance in order
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  Speaker 1: to quote get back at him. There have been so
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  Speaker 1: many claims. In fact, one of the outlandish claims Penny
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  Speaker 1: Douglas for with me are now family lawyer in the
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction and beyond is that catch this? I hope
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  Speaker 1: you're sitting down, Penny, that she committed revenge suicide. That
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  Speaker 1: was one of the claims photos Dulos is made through
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  Speaker 1: his lawyer that despite him so much, that she killed
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  Speaker 1: herself just to get back at him. Yeah, forget about
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  Speaker 1: raising her five children. I mean, Penny, I kill anybody
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  Speaker 1: that tried to separate me from my children. So why
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  Speaker 1: did she fight the custody case? Why did she go
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  Speaker 1: for custody? Why did she go through all this? Typically
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  Speaker 1: when a sociopath does something, they won't blame the other
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  Speaker 1: person and claim they did the same thing that the
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  Speaker 1: sociopath has done. So anything, he's blaming her and saying
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  Speaker 1: she did it's probably exactly what he did. Take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our friends at CBS. The defense attorney Gone
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  Speaker 1: Blowe to lift the veil of privacy and review Jennifer
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Dulos's medical records. The prosecution objected, this is exactly what
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: this is. It's a fistianttorney. The defense attorney Norm Pattis
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: says the records show Jennifer underwent fourteen thousand dollars in
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: testing in the three months prior to her disappearance, with
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: charges for blood work, diagnostic and reproductive testing. Pattis says
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  Speaker 1: it could help prove the defense theory that Jennifer disappeared
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  Speaker 1: on her own. Accord desponded. The judge denied the request
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  Speaker 1: for now. Phodis Dulos is charged with taking bloody evidence
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: from his wife's home and disposing of it. The two
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: were going through a bitter divorce. Her whereabouts and condition
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: remain a mystery. There are no rg During a fight
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  Speaker 1: with Prosecutor Richard Colangelo over a proposed gag order, Pattis
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  Speaker 1: dropped this piece of news. There's a lot that I
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: could say, and he hadn't said. For evan who were
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: aware of a lot of visiting money that was taken
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  Speaker 1: from mister Dulos to accounts by Jennifer, I hadn't going
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: to impressive. Colangelo replied that Pattis has given the media
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  Speaker 1: incorrect information, such as claiming codefendant Michelle Trucks, Dulos's former girlfriend,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: took him past a light detector test. The prosecutor says
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: that quote never happened. Does it never end with this guy,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Penny Douglas Fur, Will it never end the way he's
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: trashing her? First of all, she's dead, and now this
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: claiming that she stole money from him. Let me tell
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: you something, Penny Douglas Fur, the grandmother in this case,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: I'm referring to Jennifer's mother, who is now taking care
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: of her five little children, is now looking for the
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: money Photus Dulos owes her. Photus Dulos borrowed over a
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: million dollars from Jennifer's parents to help his failing construction company.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: He fancied himself as a designer of mansions for wealthy
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: builders in the New England area, and he borrowed heavily
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  Speaker 1: from Jennifer's parents, which he never paid back, I might add.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: And now in the most recent development, the grandmother, Jennifer's
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: mother wants to know why he photos Dulos is not
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: paying child support. The grandma has all five children. It's
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: hard enough for me to raise the twins and work.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine a grandmother in Manhattan? You know how
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: hard is the hellicab in Manhattan. She's raising these five
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: children in Manhattan and now claiming he is not paying
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: child support. And now they jump up and claim she
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Jennifer took his money. He's living off her. He's a leech. Penny, Nancy.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Everything he is claiming that she did is something he did.
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  Speaker 1: He's an associate pan And when they claim that their
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: wife does something, it's exactly what they did. They always
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: pretend the other person did it. And he claims she's
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: on heroin, and he makes up all these stories that
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: means he was using it. That's why he's staying all
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: these things. I'm so beside myself because these children are
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: going to read all this one day when they get
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: old enough to research about their mom and her disappearance,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the suggestion that she took money from him. He owes
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: her and her family so much money, according to the grandma,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: That's why he couldn't go through the divorce and Nancy,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: because if they went through the divorce, these all these
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: that he's calling loans, it would be he's trying to
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: pretend they were gifts. And so when they came up
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: in the divorce, most likely the judge would have said
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: it's a marital debt, and he would have split it
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: and made him pay some and made her pay some.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: But the bottom line is he would have had to
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: pay those back and he would have had a court
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: order ordering him to pay her family the money back.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, Penny, this is the way our system works.
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  Speaker 1: The constitution protects the defendant, the accused, the suspect. Okay,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: nothing protects the victim, and in this case, nobody is
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: there to protect Jennifer Dulos. As a matter of fact,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: as we go to air, we learn even more the
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: attorney for Jennifer Dulos his mom, is renewing a call
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: for information on how this defense lawyer, Norm Patous, is
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: being paid. The attorney representing the mom, Gloria Farber, in
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: her two point five million dollars loose at lawsuit against
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the strange husband photos Dulos and his company, is asking
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: the judge to reconsider his decision to quass their supp
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: issue to the criminal defense lawyer. Now, I can tell
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: you right now, she's not going to get any information
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: out of the defense lawyer because that is protected by
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: the attorney client privilege and there's no way they're going
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: to give it up even who's paying the bill. It's
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: not going to happen. But we also learn in all
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: of these documents that, according to attorney Richard Weinstein, who's
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: representing Jennifer's mom, he's been trying to claim, trying to
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: prove claims that Fotus Dulas transferred a ton of money
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: to Greece from his real estate company, and they're trying
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: to find all that money. Meanwhile, meanwhile there are claims
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: that he's not paying child support to the grandma. I mean, oh,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: what a tangled web we weave when first we practice
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: to deceive. This is typical, especially with builders, because they
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: control their money. I've been on the other side in
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: divorces with builders and their favorite thing is to take
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the cash out movement to another country and the wife
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: would have to pay thousands and thousands of dollars to
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: track and trace that money. And that's why they do
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: it that way. I will bet you if there was
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: any money in that business, it's in another country in
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: another person's name. We also know that foreclosure on Photus
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Dulo's home is happening right now in their Farmington mansion.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: This as Photus Dulos has launched even new claims against
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: his missing wife Jennifer, claiming a that she's a runaway
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: with somebody else. B That she's fabricated a hoax along
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: with her family to perpetrate her disappearance on her children. Three,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: that she has committed revenge suicide, killing herself just to
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: get back at him for that she had written a
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: gone Girl type novel or screenplay, and that this is
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: what her disappearance it's all about. Now he's claiming she's
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: stolen from him, while her mom is having to chase
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: him down allegedly for child support and for all the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: money he borrowed from her his in laws, and now
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: they're claiming that she's really alive based on a medical document.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: It just never ends. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Welcome
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: back on Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. In the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: last hour as his strange husband photos Dulos heading to
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: court in a civil matter, heading back to court because
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: his missing wife mother is going after him for money
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: millions of dollars she claims he borrowed, and for closing
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: on the Farmington mansion that he was living in. Sounds
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: like his whole business was propped up by Jennifer Dulos
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: mom and dad. Meanwhile, the five children living with Grandma
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: in Manhattan. To Penny Douglas for joining us from the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: legal angle, Penny, what's their game? What are they doing
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: right now? They're sitting there trying to make up a defense.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: They're trying to come up with a defense that they
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: can make at least one person on the jury boss
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: so he will not be convicted of killing his wife.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: But they are apparently violating court orders, which is going
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: to get them into very difficult water because if the
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: judge is furious with you for violating court orders, that's
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: not the way you want to start any trial. Where
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: is Jennifer Dulos? What happened to this loving, doting mom
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: of five. Fotus Dulos fifty one, a real estate developer,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: seemingly successful in for about two million dollars to Jennifer's parents.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: We also know that in the last hours, Jennifer's mother
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: has filed motions demanding that the husband, Photus Dulos reveal
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: all of his financial records and any alleged sneaky dealings.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: We understand that he had borrowed heavily from Jennifer's parents
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: to the teen of one or two million dollars to
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: prop up his construction business. Jackie Howard, what can you
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: tell me? Jennifer's mother, Gloria Farber, has been caring for
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: her five grandchildren since Jennifer went missing. Back on May
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: twenty fourth, Farber filed emotion seeking all of photos Dulos's
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: corporate and individual financial records. That's because Dulos is looking
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: to get custody of his kids from Farber. Farber says, though,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: that Dullos doesn't have the means to support his children,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: claiming he has no source of income, has defaulted on
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: mortgages owes her late husband's estate as you said, more
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: than one point seven million dollars. Farber also claims there
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: has not been in any child support payments in more
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: than two years. In return, his defense team has filed
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: a motion on Jennifer's mother demanding she's submit to a
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: mental evaluation. You know what that's playing dirty? It is Nancy,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: But you know you don't have to worry about j
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: His mom, Gloria Farber, take a listen to this from
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: our friends at WTNA, lawyers for the estranged husband of
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Dulos, now asking for her mother to be evaluated
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: a legal battle plays out over custody of the couple's children.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Laura Ingle is following this story for US Laura Asander Well.
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  Speaker 1: The motion for psychological evaluation was filed early this morning
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: by a lawyer representing Photos Dulos the family. Lawyer for
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Dulos asking the court to appoint a psychologist to conduct
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: this evaluation of his children's grandmother, Gloria Farber, saying they
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: have no choice but to make such a request to
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: ensure that his five children, who she has temporary custody
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: of area, who safely cared for now. He claims that
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Gloria Farber, the mother of his estranged wife Jennifer, has
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: previously been psychiatrically hospitalized and had once threatened to kill
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: herself and her late husband, adding that electric shock therapy
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: was discussed by family members as an option for the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: treatment at the time. The attorney Gloria Farber tells US
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: she will be filing a formal written statement in response
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: to all this. Fotus Dulis and his girlfriend Michelle for Konis,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: You'll remember, are accused of tampering with evidence and hindering
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: prosecution in the disappearance of his estranged wife, who has
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: been missing since May twenty fourth. Their five children have
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: been staying with their grandmother ever since, and Fotus Dulos
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: has not been granted access to his kids. Jennifer Dulos,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: her mother, Gloria Farber, has responded to a motion filed
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: on behalf of her son in law Fotus Dulos. You
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: may recall that his defense attorney requested that Farber undergo
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: a psychiatric evaluation. Farber says she has no objection to this,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: adding that her son in law should be evaluated as well,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: going on to say that the motion is salacious and
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: demonstrates Fotus Dulos's capacity for cruelty. As you all know,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Jennifer file for divorce in twenty seventeen, has been locked
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: in an acrimonious legal battle for custody of their twin boys,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: another set of twins, boy girl and a daughter. All
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the children very young, between eight and thirteen years old.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Jennifer had written in court documents, I am afraid for
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: my family's safety. Wow, to get an idea what she
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: looks like to me, she looks a little bit like
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner. Trying to figure this all out, Alexis, what
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: more can you tell us? For the last two years,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Jennifer has been fighting for US for custody of her
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: five children. In multiple court documents, she has claimed that
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: she's afraid for her life. She's afraid of him. He
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: is somebody that she really feels I could really do
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: harm to her and the children, and she has been
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: stagging a judge to give her custody of the children.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace crime Story, signing
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,