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Speaker 4: Uh, it's Wednesday for you, It's it's Friday on the
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Speaker 4: going so heavy today on the Super Bowl preview, It's
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Speaker 4: amazed at how delightful it is. All Right, the Utah
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Speaker 4: Jazz yesterday made a blockbuster trade that sent some ripples
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Speaker 4: across the NBA. And it wasn't the only big I mean,
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Speaker 4: Jared Jackson Junior was not the biggest name.
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Speaker 5: To move yesterday. That would be James Harden.
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Speaker 4: But we are a day away from the trade deadline
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Speaker 4: and the Jannis information is still up in the air.
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Speaker 4: Will he be moving maybe not. Are the Kings gonna
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Speaker 4: move on from DeMar derosion? Maybe so, maybe not. I
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Speaker 4: debated as I was preparing the show last night in
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Speaker 4: this morning whether I wanted to give the James Hardens
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Speaker 4: news even an oxygen, like any kind of energy at all,
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Speaker 4: because I just don't get it. And we talked about
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Speaker 4: this with Gordy Chias on the show yesterday. James Harden
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Speaker 4: at this point in his career, He's an eleven time
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Speaker 4: All Star, right, he is one.
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Speaker 5: Of the best scorers in NBA history.
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Speaker 4: He's a guy that you cannot do anything but look
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Speaker 4: at him and say, that's an excellent basketball player. But
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Speaker 4: he's oddly and I'm not giving you any information you
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Speaker 4: don't already know he's not a winning basketball player. If
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Speaker 4: the the bill of goods that Donovan Mitchell is being
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Speaker 4: sold right now and Evan Mobley's being sold right now
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Speaker 4: and everyone in Cleveland's being sold right now, is that
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Speaker 4: we brought in James Harden to help us win a championship.
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Speaker 4: I'm looking at that as a fan, as a member
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Speaker 4: of that team, as Donovan.
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Speaker 5: Mitchell, and I'm going, what, wait, what.
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Speaker 2: You brought?
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Speaker 4: We have the sample size with James Harden. We know
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Speaker 4: what it looks like. He is a choke artist in
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Speaker 4: the playoffs. He is an all time malcontent, quitter type personality.
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Speaker 4: And it's just not something that if I am talking
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Speaker 4: about team chemistry, championship chemistry, it's not the grenade you
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Speaker 4: want to throw into a locker room at this time of.
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Speaker 5: The year, especially.
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Speaker 2: I I.
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Speaker 4: Know I'm not giving you like hot takes right now.
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Speaker 4: I think that this is the sort of universal opinion
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Speaker 4: of anyone who doesn't own a James Harden Jersey, who
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Speaker 4: hasn't decided like, that's my guy, by the way, James
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Speaker 4: Harden sixth Man of the Year James Harden, Okloba City
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Speaker 4: James Harden.
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Speaker 5: I was a big fan of that guy, James Harden.
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Speaker 5: As soon as he knew he.
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Speaker 4: Could be franchise cornerstone Max contract type guy, it was like, oh,
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Speaker 4: I don't like that guy.
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Speaker 2: I didn't have a ton of hate for him his
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Speaker 2: early years with the Rockets, but as time war on,
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Speaker 2: it was like, Okay, I'm just tired of this guy.
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Speaker 2: And I was talking about this with Porter yesterday OC
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Speaker 2: during during the drives this off air. Of course, I
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Speaker 2: was like, he and Jimmy Butler, Jimmy's a different kind
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Speaker 2: of player because that guy, when he is engaged, is
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Speaker 2: a winning player, especially in the playoffs. Right, but they're
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Speaker 2: both the all time I'm never gonna be happy guys
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Speaker 2: like superstar talented players. When is it that James Harden
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Speaker 2: and his people are just gonna be like, you know what,
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Speaker 2: I'm actually content in this place, like when is that?
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Speaker 2: He seemed to be that way in Houston, But then
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Speaker 2: they then they started to get to a position where
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Speaker 2: they're tanking and they're rebuilding, and he revolted and he's
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Speaker 2: been on this will be his sixth team in the
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Speaker 2: last or his fourth team in the last six years
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Speaker 2: oc look and remarkably he's still never miss the playoffs
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Speaker 2: in his career. Do you know moving around that much?
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Speaker 4: Do you know these people in your life who it's like,
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Speaker 4: you know, you got a cousin, you got a sister
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Speaker 4: in law, you got a brother in law, you got
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Speaker 4: a friend from high school who just is always always
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Speaker 4: breaking up with their significant other, and it's always the
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Speaker 4: other person that's a problem. I can say this, by
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Speaker 4: the way, because I probably was this guy for a
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Speaker 4: certain period of my life right where it was like
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Speaker 4: relationship to relate and it's never like I just date
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Speaker 4: somebody for ten minutes. There's always that person who They've
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Speaker 4: got this girlfriend, they got this boyfriend, they got this
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Speaker 4: significant other, and they bring him around the family and
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Speaker 4: they introduce everybody and the friend group is like, oh yeah, man,
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Speaker 4: she's a catch, awesome, this is great, or you go
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Speaker 4: out to the the bachelorette party and the girls are
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Speaker 4: just like, Oh, don't let that guy get away.
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Speaker 5: He's amazing. And then a week later, because of this.
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Speaker 4: Chronic individual that we're talking about, the chronic malcontent, they're
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Speaker 4: just like, Oh, yeah, I had to break up with him,
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Speaker 4: had to break up with her. He or she crazy?
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Speaker 4: He or she too weird, he or she too clingy?
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Speaker 4: Here she coda pett whatever it is, you find there's
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Speaker 4: an issue with the relationship.
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Speaker 2: This is the this is the Seinfeld syndrome.
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Speaker 4: And you're just like, but and again, I feel comfortable
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Speaker 4: in saying this because there was a decade of my
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Speaker 4: life where I was just always somebody else's fault that
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Speaker 4: the relationship didn't work out.
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Speaker 2: And it's never like like James Harden is never standing
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Speaker 2: in front of a mirror and going like, all of
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Speaker 2: these teams that I'm on as the leading score most
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Speaker 2: of the time, by the way.
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Speaker 5: Are not good enough to win me a championship.
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Speaker 2: Well, you remember when he was traded to the Clippers,
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Speaker 2: and he was that was the beginning, like the end
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Speaker 2: of his run in Philly was the beginning of Okay,
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Speaker 2: this guy still puts up great stats this guy still
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Speaker 2: is very productive, but he's not the I'm the number
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Speaker 2: He's not the number one guy that you might think
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Speaker 2: you could build a championship team around, like like the
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Speaker 2: Houston years. Right, That was the beginning of Oh, something's
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Speaker 2: changed with James Harden. He's started he started to lose
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Speaker 2: a little bit there. I also but it was but
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Speaker 2: he he gets traded to the Clippers and he says
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Speaker 2: and people say, okay, now he's with Kawhi. He's no
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Speaker 2: longer the straw that serves the drink, and he says, no,
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Speaker 2: I am the system. You remember that quote. That's the thing.
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Speaker 4: He's like, like, how do you sit James Harden down?
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Speaker 4: If you're Cleveland having made this trade, how do you
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Speaker 4: sit James Harden down? And said, hey, look man, we
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Speaker 4: want you to post up out there and shoot when
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Speaker 4: the ball comes to you and you're open, okay.
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Speaker 2: And distribute the ball. He's still really good at distributing
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Speaker 2: the ball when he wants to.
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Speaker 4: We want you to realize that Donovan Mitchell is the
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Speaker 4: guy that we are hoping will be the the engine
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Speaker 4: for this. You are the transmission. You're equally important. You're
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Speaker 4: the drive train. But we need the actual horsepower for
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Speaker 4: this run to be coming from someone that is not you.
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Speaker 4: And he's younger than you, all right, he's more explosive
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Speaker 4: than you. He's probably at this point as good of
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Speaker 4: a basketball player or a better basketball player than you.
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Speaker 2: If you guys go one on one.
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Speaker 4: I just need you to understand, James Harden, that we've
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Speaker 4: watched you try to be the guy in five other
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Speaker 4: places and it hasn't got you the championship that you want,
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Speaker 4: and it hasn't gotten those franchises the championship that they want.
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Speaker 2: So I want you to accept this different role. One
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Speaker 2: of the best things about the great teams that you
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Speaker 2: have fallen in love with here locally, certainly the University
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Speaker 2: of Utah basketball teams that have been great, the University
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Speaker 2: of Utah football teams that have been great. One of
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Speaker 2: the best things about all those teams is that there
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Speaker 2: was a communication process. There was a decision making process
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Speaker 2: where coaches recognize something that players themselves probably don't, and
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Speaker 2: those coaches offensive defensive, offensive player moving to defense, defensive
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Speaker 2: player moving offense, whatever it is. The coaches said, trust
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Speaker 2: us and trust our process, and we are going to
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Speaker 2: maximize this team's potential, and we are going to maximize
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Speaker 2: your potential.
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Speaker 4: More often than not, they got it right. There were
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Speaker 4: some examples of where you get it wrong. But James
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Speaker 4: Harden is at the point in his career where he's
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Speaker 4: heading towards the twilight. He's got a playing style that
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Speaker 4: he could play until he's forty two if he wants.
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Speaker 2: When he makes he particularly in the regular season, he
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Speaker 2: makes teammates better, especially if you're a big man who
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Speaker 2: can do the pick and roll really well and finish
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Speaker 2: at the rim. He like, he completely reinvented if he'sa
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Speaker 2: Zubots the Clippers center. He made him into. He made
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Speaker 2: him into a borderline All Star player and highly coveted
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Speaker 2: starting center instead of just a really solid one, right. Like,
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Speaker 2: He's still really good at those things, which is why
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Speaker 2: he should be the point guard type guy next to
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Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell. But to your point, he needs to also understand,
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Speaker 2: even though I'm gonna have the ball in my hands
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Speaker 2: a lot because I'm really good at setting my teammates up,
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Speaker 2: I need to be setting Donovan Mitchell up.
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Speaker 4: Yes, And by the way, you can do that on
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Speaker 4: your way to averaging. Because you're James Harden, you can
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Speaker 4: average twenty one points twenty two points a game and
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Speaker 4: actually be helping your team, elevating the ceiling of your team,
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Speaker 4: which is ostensibly what the Calves are looking for here.
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Speaker 4: When you listen to smarter minds than myself, guys like
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Speaker 4: Gordon Chieza, they're just like, this is this is a
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Speaker 4: quiet quit. This is a soft reset that the Caves
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Speaker 4: are doing.
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Speaker 2: Spence said it yesterday on the show during cross talk
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Speaker 2: on this show too.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, when you're getting rid of a Darius Garland and
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Speaker 4: you're starting to kind of strip it down and you're saying,
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Speaker 4: I will take on this heavy contract that expires and
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Speaker 4: then who knows, like could it work out, could Cleveland
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Speaker 4: make a run? Could James Harden in the short term,
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Speaker 4: Because I think that he's probably one of those guys,
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Speaker 4: just like the mythical individual I was talking about with
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Speaker 4: the relationships that just falls in love fast, you know
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Speaker 4: what I mean, someone that's like the last six weren't perfect,
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Speaker 4: but this one, this is really really great. I'm very
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Speaker 4: excited about this relationship, and then after time you find
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Speaker 4: something not to like, you decide that this isn't great.
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Speaker 5: I'm curious. I'm beyond curious.
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Speaker 4: I'm fascinated to see how it works out because I
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Speaker 4: wrote off James Harden as an important piece of a
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Speaker 4: championship team. A good team, certainly, but an important piece
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Speaker 4: of a championship team long ago, like seven seasons ago.
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Speaker 4: I was just like, if James Harden is a big
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Speaker 4: part of your recipe, then your ingredients have gone bad.
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Speaker 4: Is not going to get you where you I decided
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Speaker 4: that a long time ago. The NBA hasn't, And Gordy
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Speaker 4: was like, nothing is never obvious to the oblivious. People
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Speaker 4: are willfully oblivious and willfully almost belligerently ignorant to the
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Speaker 4: issues that have been now put on paper and put
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Speaker 4: on film for fifteen years.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he's been He's been in the league since
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Speaker 2: two thousand and nine. Yeah, so seventeen years. Yeah, for
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Speaker 2: seventeen years. And we just got a we just got
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Speaker 2: a good response to your tweet about does Harden actually
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Speaker 2: elevate the Cavs ceiling? This guy Allen Show on Twitter says,
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Speaker 2: James Harden is Yes, James Harden's still better than Garlin,
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Speaker 2: but Donovan will have to deliver in the playoffs, where
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Speaker 2: Harden has struggled historically. Here's the problem with that. We
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Speaker 2: said that when he we said that when he went
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Speaker 2: to Brooklyn, Like, well, yeah, it's a good thing, asked
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Speaker 2: Kevin Durant, because he struggles in the playoffs that didn't
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Speaker 2: work out. He was also injured.
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Speaker 4: Can you imagine paying someone fifty plus million dollars with
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Speaker 4: the expectation that when it really matters, when we're in
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Speaker 4: the playoffs, I need somebody else to deliver.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't just stop there. Oh, he's going to Philadelphia,
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Speaker 2: A good thing. He's got Joel Embiid who yes, he's
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Speaker 2: had his struggles in the playoffs too, but not like
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Speaker 2: James Harden and well that didn't work out. Okay, Well
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Speaker 2: it's good that he's going to the Clippers. Good thing.
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Speaker 2: He's got Kawhi Leonard And of course Kawi has been
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Speaker 2: injured a lot, is part of the reason why it
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Speaker 2: hasn't worked out. But as he will or is he
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Speaker 2: just has he he's aspired to be injured. But Kawhi
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Speaker 2: just playing the all money, all business like. Yeah, Kawhi
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Speaker 2: someday will be teaching a course at the Harvard NBA
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Speaker 2: School about how you can get a a guaranteed salary
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Speaker 2: and you can load manage your way into an extra
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Speaker 2: five years in the NBA. So but that that aside
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Speaker 2: that that also didn't work out, failed in spectacular fashion.
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Speaker 2: So at what point, like I respect that, I don't
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Speaker 2: disagree with the whole comment from from our guy Allen
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Speaker 2: on Twitter, but at what point do we do we
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Speaker 2: and in particular front offices realize No, it's never gonna
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Speaker 2: work out with James Harden. Now you could put like
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Speaker 2: you're saying the same thing about Donovan Mitchell that you
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Speaker 2: said about Kevin Durant, that you said about Joel Embi,
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Speaker 2: that you said about kawhile Hunderd. All those guys way
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Speaker 2: better basketball players than Donovan Mitchell, respectfully, and now you're
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Speaker 2: you're saying, oh, yeah, it's gonna work this time. No,
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Speaker 2: it's not gonna work this time. They and I agree
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Speaker 2: with what's what Spence said yesterday on this show and
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Speaker 2: his show that this is probably more of an indication
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Speaker 2: that the Calves are ready to tear this thing down
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Speaker 2: and that Donovan Mitchell is on his way out than
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Speaker 2: it is that they're re upping for another chance at
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Speaker 2: a title.
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Speaker 4: You look at it, you scratch your head about it,
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Speaker 4: You wonder whether or not the sixth time. The seventh
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Speaker 4: time is the charm, because that's what talent does, right.
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Speaker 2: This is what.
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Speaker 4: And I hate to keep going back to like the
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Speaker 4: relationship analogies because some people hate those, but it is
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Speaker 4: it's the best example. It's kind of like, wasn't Elizabeth
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Speaker 4: Taylor married like seven times or something?
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Speaker 2: The old movie star. It's never like the the good
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Speaker 2: personality ugo that gets married four times. Yeah. I just
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Speaker 2: googled Elizabeth Taylor marriages and it's like a bunch of
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Speaker 2: pictures of old guys. So yeah, she's I don't know
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Speaker 2: if it's been I don't know if it's seven, but
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Speaker 2: it's it's she was married a lot of times.
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Speaker 4: That's talent, which in the romantic world is basically just
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Speaker 4: handsomeness or beauty. It makes people forget a lot of
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Speaker 4: other things or ignore a lot of other things. And
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Speaker 4: James Harden has that. And look, we know this is
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Speaker 4: true in every single sport. We've seen this with problem children,
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Speaker 4: problem kids in high school sports, in college sports, moving
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Speaker 4: from college to pro sports, all these guys that are
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Speaker 4: just like, oh man, dude's got like a bunch of arrests,
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Speaker 4: a bunch of issues, but look how fast he is.
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Speaker 4: We can get him to come here, and we can
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Speaker 4: get him to behave and to be fair to James Harden.
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Speaker 5: That's not what we're talking about with James Harden.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's he does not get in trouble off the court,
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Speaker 2: which that's a good thing. He's just he's like Kyrie
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Speaker 2: Irving's same kind of way, not a guy who gets
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Speaker 2: in trouble off the court, but he eventually wears everybody
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Speaker 2: down around him and he ends up being someone a
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Speaker 2: detriment to winning.
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Speaker 4: You know what else is really fascinating to me is
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Speaker 4: like Draymond Green has such a different career from James Harden.
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Speaker 4: Where James Harden has been the number one guy now
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Speaker 4: on like five different teams at certain times, been at
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Speaker 4: least the number one guy for or.
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Speaker 2: Like one amber sidekick kind of guy. The last few
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Speaker 2: years he's been a big time guy. Really it's four toy.
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Speaker 2: He's never the number one guy for Oka. See when
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Speaker 2: he started things out, so like it's been the number
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Speaker 2: one guy. He wasn't even the number two guy there.
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Speaker 4: He was the sixth guy and won the award for
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Speaker 4: six man of the third best player six man. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: but in any case, James Harden's career is going to
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Speaker 4: be potentially, when it's all said and done, if it
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Speaker 4: doesn't work out with the Cavs, spoiler alert, it's not
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Speaker 4: gonna we're going to talk about him as one of
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Speaker 4: the best individual players who never really helped his team
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Speaker 4: achieve ultimate greatness. We're gonna and we'll have seen it
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Speaker 4: with a bunch of different squads and a bunch of
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Speaker 4: different experiments, and we're gonna have to look at it
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Speaker 4: and say James Harden was part of the problem. Even
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Speaker 4: as they were saying he needs to be the solution,
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Speaker 4: he was also part of the problem. Whether it's just
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Speaker 4: because his contract was too big or anything else. I'm
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Speaker 4: not saying he's not an excellent basketball player.
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Speaker 6: He is.
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Speaker 4: There's a difference between being an excellent basketball player, an
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Speaker 4: excellent football player, an excellent baseball player, and being a
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Speaker 4: championship level any one of those things. And finding that
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Speaker 4: difference is something that I'm not capable of. That most
20:30
Speaker 4: gms aren't even capable of, that most owners and coaches
20:33
Speaker 4: have a hard time being capable of. But you compare
20:36
Speaker 4: like a James Harden who wears on people and wears
20:39
Speaker 4: on the franchise eventually, and they decide to move on
20:44
Speaker 4: to like a Draymond Green, who Draymond Green has never
20:48
Speaker 4: been the best player on his team, has never even
20:50
Speaker 4: been in the argument for being the best player on
20:52
Speaker 4: his team. He's always been the third best player on
20:56
Speaker 4: the team.
20:57
Speaker 2: In his own mind, he's probably been the number two
20:59
Speaker 2: player on the team.
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Speaker 4: But in his own mind, he is incorrect, all right,
21:03
Speaker 4: But and you're absolutely right, it hasn't gotten in the
21:05
Speaker 4: way though.
21:05
Speaker 2: That's what's remarkable.
21:06
Speaker 4: But what's wild with Draymond Green is Draymond Green, when
21:09
Speaker 4: it's all sat and done, is going to be sitting
21:12
Speaker 4: back there with a bunch of championship rings and a
21:14
Speaker 4: couple hundred million dollars and a high performing podcast because
21:18
Speaker 4: he's controversial enough to say things that make people listen
21:21
Speaker 4: to him, and he's intelligent enough to make people want
21:26
Speaker 4: to respond to what he has to say. And James
21:30
Speaker 4: Harden is going to be looking at it and going,
21:32
Speaker 4: I am a much better basketball player than that guy.
21:36
Speaker 4: We have similar personalities that are exhausting, but I'm a
21:40
Speaker 4: better basketball player than him. Very different basketball player. But
21:44
Speaker 4: you make the list, and James Harden is going to
21:46
Speaker 4: go higher on the list the best basketball players in
21:48
Speaker 4: the history of the NBA than Draymond Green.
21:50
Speaker 5: And he's going to look at it.
21:51
Speaker 2: He's going to say that guy is also obnoxious, that
21:56
Speaker 2: guy also wears on people. That guy punched it teammate
22:00
Speaker 2: in the face for hell's sake. That guy got fined,
22:03
Speaker 2: however many times for excessive technical fouls.
22:07
Speaker 4: That guy is a far bigger problem than me. But
22:10
Speaker 4: he has all these championships. Why didn't it work out
22:13
Speaker 4: for me? Do you know how painful that's gonna be
22:15
Speaker 4: for James Harden when he does it, when he looks
22:18
Speaker 4: back and he assesses, And you don't if you're James Harden,
22:21
Speaker 4: you don't compare yourself to guys that were like tenth
22:24
Speaker 4: dude on the bench that somehow managed their way into
22:27
Speaker 4: a ring by being a four point per game type
22:31
Speaker 4: reserve on a championship team. James Harden's is gonna be
22:34
Speaker 4: comparing himself to his contemporaries that got multiple championships probably
22:41
Speaker 4: and at least one championship. And we're leaders on teams
22:43
Speaker 4: and big time players and franchises. And he's gonna look
22:46
Speaker 4: at somebody like Draymond Green, who has similar personality traits
22:51
Speaker 4: exhausting to be around, and people that the Warriors probably
22:54
Speaker 4: wanted to unload Draymond Green several times. But because of
22:59
Speaker 4: the leadership there, because of who the teammates were, and
23:02
Speaker 4: because of the fact that even Draymond bleep and Green.
23:06
Speaker 5: Accepted the role that he was given.
23:09
Speaker 2: He can be. I can be a head case but
23:11
Speaker 2: also defer to the the better players on my team.
23:16
Speaker 2: It's a remarkable thing that Draymond's was able to figure out.
23:19
Speaker 4: I mean, he is one of the most interesting guys,
23:21
Speaker 4: and he's one of those players that if he's your guy,
23:23
Speaker 4: you love him. If he's not your guy, you hate him.
23:25
Speaker 4: And even when he is your guy, you probably hate him.
23:27
Speaker 2: Sometimes cringe at does with goodness.
23:31
Speaker 4: Like even Draymond Green and I got a big ego,
23:35
Speaker 4: I promise you Draymond Green's ego is outsized, even relative
23:41
Speaker 4: to other professional athletes. He's still found a way to
23:45
Speaker 4: accept the coaching, to accept the role he was given,
23:48
Speaker 4: to accept the fact that, like, you know what, when
23:51
Speaker 4: we're down two and we need a three pointer with
23:54
Speaker 4: four seconds left, I'm not the right guy to take
23:57
Speaker 4: it unless I am wide open and Clay or or
24:00
Speaker 4: whomever has created that shot for me, and this is
24:03
Speaker 4: the last resort.
24:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no other, no other option, Like even Draymon
24:09
Speaker 2: accepted that. And James Harden seems to just have a
24:12
Speaker 2: hard time.
24:15
Speaker 4: And he's probably gonna get the point when it's all
24:17
Speaker 4: said and done, he's gonna get the point of his
24:19
Speaker 4: career and be like, look at these numbers, Look how
24:20
Speaker 4: great I was, Look how much money I made, and
24:23
Speaker 4: all those things are great, and he's gonna be a
24:25
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame basketball player, but he's also going to
24:30
Speaker 4: have that asterix that manufactured asterisks by those of us
24:33
Speaker 4: in the sports media world that are just like, yeah,
24:36
Speaker 4: but where did you go in the playoffs when it
24:38
Speaker 4: mattered what happened to you?
24:40
Speaker 6: There?
24:41
Speaker 2: Not a I mean, not a winning player. And that's
24:44
Speaker 2: that's harsh to say that about a guy as talented
24:47
Speaker 2: as he is. And he's had some big playoff performances,
24:50
Speaker 2: but just not enough of them.
24:51
Speaker 4: It's almost better to just be an average player than
24:55
Speaker 4: to be a great player who can't win minute when
24:57
Speaker 4: it matters.
24:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to localize the Carl Malone was plagued
25:01
Speaker 2: by this. This is this was the label that he
25:03
Speaker 2: was given to and I'm sure there was a segment
25:06
Speaker 2: of the jazz fan base that bought into that too,
25:09
Speaker 2: but particularly everywhere outside of Utah. Like Carl Malone, there's
25:13
Speaker 2: a reason why the Jazz keep falling short because that
25:16
Speaker 2: guy falls short individually when the when the moment's biggest.
25:21
Speaker 4: And I get it, we're talking about an elevated comparison
25:24
Speaker 4: because James Harden has played himself into a stratosphere where
25:27
Speaker 4: he doesn't get compared to Darius Garland.
25:31
Speaker 5: Yeah, he gets compared.
25:33
Speaker 4: To Shaq and Kobe and Staph and Lebron and Kawhi
25:39
Speaker 4: and some of these guys that were his contemporaries who
25:41
Speaker 4: won championships and who we say, were they driving force
25:44
Speaker 4: behind those championships. So even to be in that conversation
25:49
Speaker 4: as an honor by itself, but the asterisk that goes
25:54
Speaker 4: with being someone who cannot win, never does get a
25:56
Speaker 4: chance to win, and for it to be in a
26:00
Speaker 4: lot of people's minds your fault. That's a tough thing.
26:07
Speaker 4: Is he gonna do it with the Cavs? Can he
26:09
Speaker 4: and Donovan Mitchell co exist? I think there were a
26:12
Speaker 4: lot of people that thought that Jimmy Butler was you know,
26:15
Speaker 4: because of what happened in Miami, Jimmy Butler was probably
26:18
Speaker 4: not long for the rest.
26:19
Speaker 2: Of the NBA. If it can't you can't make it
26:21
Speaker 2: work there, how's it going to be. He's found a
26:23
Speaker 2: way if he was, if he was healthy, we'd be
26:26
Speaker 2: having a much different conversation about Jimmy Butler. He's found
26:29
Speaker 2: a way to coexist even with one of the most
26:31
Speaker 2: volatile personalities in the NBA in Draymond Green. For now.
26:35
Speaker 2: For now, it's always give it about four to five
26:38
Speaker 2: years with Jimmy. If he has that much time left
26:41
Speaker 2: in his career, he's getting up there.
26:42
Speaker 4: I heard the Dan Patrick Show today and I got
26:45
Speaker 4: in the car to take my daughter to school and
26:49
Speaker 4: they were talking about Draymond being put on the Spurs.
26:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's He's The Warriors are are taking calls about
27:00
Speaker 2: Draymond Green right now. It was presumed at first that hey,
27:03
Speaker 2: maybe he's in a package to bring you, honest, but
27:05
Speaker 2: now it I don't know who they would bring back.
27:08
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe the Spurs would be a third team. Maybe
27:11
Speaker 2: in the honesty.
27:11
Speaker 4: But I was like, I was thinking of you know,
27:14
Speaker 4: Victor Winmyaba obviously, and Steph Castle and I'm just like,
27:17
Speaker 4: what that could you?
27:19
Speaker 5: That feels disastrous?
27:20
Speaker 2: It could Here's the thing, if he buys in the
27:24
Speaker 2: way he bought in enough at Golden State, it could
27:30
Speaker 2: end up being a coup for the Spurs to a
27:33
Speaker 2: guy like that.
27:34
Speaker 4: But then maybe I'm not giving Draymond enough credit. Maybe
27:36
Speaker 4: Draymond is like, yeah, man, I like, I know what
27:40
Speaker 4: my lane is in the NBA, and I'm gonna stay
27:44
Speaker 4: in that lane. And maybe I'm not giving him the
27:46
Speaker 4: credit he deserves. Or maybe because of what I think
27:49
Speaker 4: I know about his personality, it would be a lot
27:52
Speaker 4: harder for him to embrace that role of like the
27:55
Speaker 4: tertiary player on a young.
27:58
Speaker 5: We're younger superstars.
28:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's just like this kid, this kid barely
28:02
Speaker 2: learned that he could vote, you know what I mean,
28:05
Speaker 2: Like these guys are so young. Yeah, I don't think
28:07
Speaker 2: he's gonna have a problem deferring to Wemby because the
28:11
Speaker 2: talent's obvious. It's obvious that that guy's the best player
28:14
Speaker 2: on the floor just about any gaming place, right even
28:18
Speaker 2: to someone like Draymond Green. I think it. I think
28:21
Speaker 2: where you might have problems with that is when Stefan Castle,
28:25
Speaker 2: who has become a really good number two and de
28:27
Speaker 2: Aaron Fox, you know, two and three to Wemby on
28:31
Speaker 2: the Spurs when those guys are like, hey, Draymond, like
28:36
Speaker 2: we're bigger stars than you two on this team, Like
28:39
Speaker 2: we're better talents than you too, and like we need
28:41
Speaker 2: we need that deference too on the court, and maybe
28:45
Speaker 2: that's gonna be something that sets Draymond off. And like, Okay,
28:48
Speaker 2: I can't deal with this, but we'll see if that
28:52
Speaker 2: ends up happening. Uh. I didn't mean to spend twenty
28:57
Speaker 2: eight minutes on James harden ramon well, and it probably
29:02
Speaker 2: sounded more like I was bashing him than anything else.
29:04
Speaker 5: That's no, it's it's fair, like you weren't unfair.
29:07
Speaker 2: I just I just don't like.
29:09
Speaker 4: I don't understand if this, if this move is really
29:13
Speaker 4: being sold by the Clippers to their roster right now,
29:16
Speaker 4: is like, hey, he can make us better, he can
29:19
Speaker 4: get us over the hump. How that should be received
29:22
Speaker 4: by Donovan Mitchell and I. Even though Donovan Mitchell's marriage
29:26
Speaker 4: with the Utah Jazz ended in a way that a
29:27
Speaker 4: lot of people don't like, I remain a big fan
29:30
Speaker 4: of Donovan Mitchell. I think that He's a really interesting
29:32
Speaker 4: guy that carries himself with a certain amount of integrity.
29:36
Speaker 5: Whether you agree with him or not.
29:38
Speaker 4: I I like Donovan Mitchell and I want to see
29:42
Speaker 4: Donovan Mitchell have success in his career because when he
29:45
Speaker 4: was a part of this community, he felt embraced by
29:47
Speaker 4: this community. He gave back a ton, and he was
29:51
Speaker 4: like really in the thick of it in a way
29:53
Speaker 4: that all of your other favorite players that ever came
29:56
Speaker 4: through here were not like those guys with statues Carmelone
30:03
Speaker 4: and John Stockton.
30:04
Speaker 5: John Stockton especially.
30:05
Speaker 2: They did not want to go to high school bat
30:08
Speaker 2: and they were different stages of life and had kids
30:11
Speaker 2: and things like that, but they weren't going to high
30:12
Speaker 2: school basketball games, and they weren't doing like the weren't
30:15
Speaker 2: going out of their way to to they weren't endearing
30:18
Speaker 2: themselves with the community to the community.
30:20
Speaker 1: Right.
30:21
Speaker 4: So still I still give Donovan Mitchell a lot of
30:23
Speaker 4: credit for that, even if it's soured at the end.
30:25
Speaker 4: And if you're him, and your coach er, your general
30:29
Speaker 4: manager picks up the phone and just like, Hey, we're
30:31
Speaker 4: sending Darius away and we're bringing in James Harden because
30:34
Speaker 4: we think James Harden can get you to the next level.
30:37
Speaker 4: I'm probably looking at it and going, well, James Harden
30:39
Speaker 4: is a one hell of a player. I don't like
30:41
Speaker 4: going against him, so it's better to have him as
30:43
Speaker 4: a friend than an enemy. But also, we have a
30:47
Speaker 4: seventeen year sample size where James has not gotten people
30:51
Speaker 4: like me over the hump, So why is this being
30:54
Speaker 4: sold to me that way? Maybe they didn't though, Maybe
30:56
Speaker 4: they said Donovan, we're gonna strip the thing down. We
31:00
Speaker 4: know that you're writing it out until the end of
31:02
Speaker 4: your contract, and this is a salary dump situation.
31:06
Speaker 5: Uh, so here's what we're doing.
31:09
Speaker 2: And by the way, because part of this is what
31:13
Speaker 2: you just mentioned, potentially stripping this down and expecting Donovan
31:19
Speaker 2: to opt out of his final year of his contract
31:23
Speaker 2: and sign somewhere else. Donovan Mitchell's kind of in danger
31:26
Speaker 2: of being that guy who isn't content enough where he
31:30
Speaker 2: is right like that's he's and he's early enough in
31:34
Speaker 2: his career that that if he just commits to a
31:36
Speaker 2: place and buys in and as long as that organization
31:41
Speaker 2: is is very is a good organization, and and uh,
31:47
Speaker 2: putting a great team around him, putting a great coach
31:50
Speaker 2: in place. If he doesn't, if he just is like
31:54
Speaker 2: every three or four years, I'm going someplace else. He
31:57
Speaker 2: might be looking around at the end of his career
31:58
Speaker 2: and going, hey, I look a lot like James Harden
32:00
Speaker 2: when I look in the mirror too. So just he's
32:03
Speaker 2: not there yet, but just put something out there, hey, man,
32:07
Speaker 2: like maybe you should be looking for reasons to be
32:09
Speaker 2: content instead of always looking for greener grass. All right,
32:14
Speaker 2: got to take a break here again. We're going to
32:16
Speaker 2: try to get Chad Brown.
32:16
Speaker 4: He's in a flight delay situation, so we'll do what
32:19
Speaker 4: we can there. The Utah Jazz Trade, We're going to
32:23
Speaker 4: react a little bit more to that. And I put
32:25
Speaker 4: a poll question out there about the timeline because yesterday
32:29
Speaker 4: I spent plenty of minutes telling you that the timeline
32:32
Speaker 4: has changed now. But instead of telling you, I want
32:34
Speaker 4: to ask you how much has the timeline changed in
32:37
Speaker 4: your mind. It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven
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Speaker 4: ninety two one FM.
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Speaker 7: We No.
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Speaker 1: You tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
32:49
Speaker 1: Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one
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Speaker 1: a FM.
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Speaker 8: No Doubts.
33:02
Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell show on ESPNT seven and ninety two to
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Speaker 2: one FM. Utah Jazz completed a blockbuster trade yesterday. We
33:15
Speaker 2: talked about it at length right after Gordon Chias has
33:18
Speaker 2: signed off with us. Gordy, by the way, we'll be
33:20
Speaker 2: on with Porter Larsen tomorrow on trade deadline Day, helping
33:24
Speaker 2: break down not only this that the Utah Jazz have done,
33:27
Speaker 2: but what else might happen in and around the league,
33:30
Speaker 2: including the thing that we just spent twenty five minutes on,
33:32
Speaker 2: the James Harden trade. James Harden to the Cavs, Darius
33:36
Speaker 2: Garland is heading back in return, and what a pick
33:42
Speaker 2: as well? Yeah, they just to put a bow I
33:45
Speaker 2: guess on what we talked about before the Clippers had
33:49
Speaker 2: to attach a pick to the deal that would send
33:53
Speaker 2: a no doubt about it, Hall of famer who was
33:56
Speaker 2: averaging twenty five points in eight assist A game like
33:59
Speaker 2: that should tell you all you need to know about
34:02
Speaker 2: whether or not James Harden is as valuable as he
34:04
Speaker 2: looks like he is. That's uh, that's actually somewhat wild.
34:09
Speaker 2: That has not been talked about enough. But moving on
34:12
Speaker 2: from that.
34:12
Speaker 4: The movie gone from that for the Utah Jazz the
34:17
Speaker 4: timeline acceleration, and I I want to make it clear
34:21
Speaker 4: for Austin Ainge, for Danny Ainge, for Ryan Smith, for
34:26
Speaker 4: everyone who is involved in the decision making process to
34:30
Speaker 4: use three first round picks and some promising young players,
34:36
Speaker 4: not some promising young players to get the package that
34:40
Speaker 4: they got, with the headliner, of course being Jared Jackson,
34:43
Speaker 4: the third junior, the third to quote Dan Patrick.
34:47
Speaker 2: Old Dan Patrick style. We got to decide by the
34:50
Speaker 2: way we call him Triple J. That's is what that is,
34:55
Speaker 2: what he's called Triple J if not Jaron Jackson, So
35:00
Speaker 2: we'll call him Triple J for the most part. About
35:02
Speaker 2: the three JS shout out to the nineties MAVs, tray J.
35:06
Speaker 2: We call it tra J tray J. He shoots it
35:08
Speaker 2: from three to I like trade Okay, tray J. That's
35:11
Speaker 2: that's the Sean O'Connell show nickname.
35:13
Speaker 4: When we get tray J on, we'll ask him how
35:15
Speaker 4: he feels about the nickname trade J.
35:17
Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone else has called him that before,
35:20
Speaker 2: maybe maybe some growing up. I don't know, Trey J's
35:23
Speaker 2: that's what we're gonna do, Okay. In any case, this trade.
35:27
Speaker 4: I respect the hell out of it, because whether you
35:29
Speaker 4: think that you wanted to see that twenty thirty one
35:33
Speaker 4: first round draft pick instead, or more pointedly the twenty
35:36
Speaker 4: twenty seven picks instead, it's it's a response.
35:43
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's a response to external pressures
35:46
Speaker 2: because people in those positions don't have to feel pressure
35:49
Speaker 2: from us, right, But I think it's a response to
35:53
Speaker 2: probably internal pressures from maybe Lowry Markinen. Certainly I would
35:59
Speaker 2: imagine Will Hardy, who has gotten sick of coaching this
36:02
Speaker 2: team as it stands with their defensive malaise. When just
36:09
Speaker 2: to add to this, it was in the reporting it
36:12
Speaker 2: said quote this was done also at the behest of
36:16
Speaker 2: Ryan Smith. So talk about the highest of internal pressure.
36:19
Speaker 4: And by the way, his commitment to competing can't be questioned.
36:29
Speaker 4: Now you can say things you don't that you don't
36:32
Speaker 4: like about any billionaire and certainly about a billionaire sports
36:35
Speaker 4: owner who wants public funds and things like that, those
36:39
Speaker 4: are political discussions from a Ryan Smith. Do you want
36:43
Speaker 4: to win and bring winning to Utah standpoint, that's an
36:47
Speaker 4: absolute yes. He has proven that, he continues to prove that.
36:50
Speaker 4: The investment in the practice facilities going in at Southtown.
36:53
Speaker 4: All this stuff is a testament to what they are doing.
36:57
Speaker 4: And do I think he's doing a purely out of
36:59
Speaker 4: the goodness of his heart? No, he's a businessman. But
37:02
Speaker 4: most of us in a professional capacity don't do things
37:04
Speaker 4: out of the goodness of our hearts. So I'm bought
37:07
Speaker 4: in on especially this. And if your owner recognizes, like
37:12
Speaker 4: you know what, I don't want to own a team
37:15
Speaker 4: that is in a perpetual rebuild, or is that even
37:18
Speaker 4: in a protracted, elongated rebuild. I don't want to own
37:22
Speaker 4: that team. Do we have draft capital that we can
37:25
Speaker 4: deploy to our benefit right now? Do we have roster
37:29
Speaker 4: space and players on this roster that can bring us
37:32
Speaker 4: back something good? I was listening to the radio broadcast
37:37
Speaker 4: for the Utah Jazz last night and David Locke, love
37:40
Speaker 4: him or Hate him, is dialed in on all things NBA.
37:44
Speaker 5: And Jared Jackson Junior.
37:48
Speaker 4: Coming into the season was rated by a lot of
37:50
Speaker 4: the NBA publications in their top one hundred.
37:53
Speaker 2: Is a top twenty five, top thirty player. How many
37:58
Speaker 2: top twenty five or top thirty players are available on
38:01
Speaker 2: the market right now or in this trade, in this
38:04
Speaker 2: trade deadline it's Yannis apparently, Triple J, Trade J, and
38:11
Speaker 2: James Harden is still in that catch James Harden and
38:13
Speaker 2: I guess maybe Draymond Green, right, I think he's probably
38:18
Speaker 2: lower than thirty. But yeah, we can include him a
38:21
Speaker 2: few wants. Well, I feel it's still a big enough name. Yeah,
38:25
Speaker 2: and he still affects winning that you can include him.
38:29
Speaker 4: In that, whether you put him in the conversation or not.
38:32
Speaker 4: The list of individuals that are that good relative to
38:36
Speaker 4: NBA competition that are also gettable, it's a short list.
38:42
Speaker 5: It's a tiny list.
38:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is a list that only three or four
38:46
Speaker 4: or maybe at the most five teams get to shop on.
38:49
Speaker 4: And the Utah Jazz had this opportunity, and he's the
38:53
Speaker 4: he's a player that Again we'll see what happens with
38:55
Speaker 4: the Walker Kessler contract, but you hear basketball folks salivate
39:00
Speaker 4: at the idea of a massive front court that has
39:03
Speaker 4: Lowry at the three and.
39:08
Speaker 5: Walker Kessler healthy and Trade J play in the four.
39:12
Speaker 2: They three guys who are big enough to be centers
39:16
Speaker 2: right playing at the same time. And as we talked
39:19
Speaker 2: about with Spence yesterday, one of those guys being someone
39:24
Speaker 2: that can be a perimeter defender as well, one of
39:29
Speaker 2: those guys that, as a former defensive Player of the
39:31
Speaker 2: Year can set a tone that you have not had
39:34
Speaker 2: yet set for your young roster. Right, So how quickly
39:39
Speaker 2: does the acceleration process happen of your expectations as a fan?
39:43
Speaker 2: I put the question out there big trade from yesterday,
39:45
Speaker 2: when will the Utah Jazz make the playoffs? And if
39:48
Speaker 2: I had asked this question prior to the trade yesterday,
39:52
Speaker 2: there's not a person among you that would have said
39:55
Speaker 2: next year. There's not one individual out there that would
39:59
Speaker 2: have said, yes, I'm confident that the Utah Jazz are going
40:02
Speaker 2: to be a playoff team next year, and never probably
40:06
Speaker 2: would have won.
40:06
Speaker 5: That's one of the choices you put on there that.
40:08
Speaker 4: Sixty four percent of people are now like, we're making
40:11
Speaker 4: the playoffs next year. If you're the owner, and if
40:15
Speaker 4: this was done at your behest, you behested correctly, because
40:19
Speaker 4: what you have done is you have a re energized, reinvigorated,
40:23
Speaker 4: recaptivated a fan base that was on the very brink
40:27
Speaker 4: of apathy. You had given them another product that they
40:31
Speaker 4: like as much or better with the Utah Mammoth, the
40:36
Speaker 4: shiny things over here, let's pay attention to that now.
40:39
Speaker 4: And then you're like, wait, Basketball's my first love, and
40:45
Speaker 4: I've got this pile of draft cash sitting over here
40:48
Speaker 4: that I can make everyone else feel that way against
40:50
Speaker 4: two potentially if we make the right move here. And
40:53
Speaker 4: you know what, I hired these people that I think
40:55
Speaker 4: are really good at making the right moves.
40:58
Speaker 5: So I'm going to tell those people.
41:01
Speaker 4: I envision it like Ryan Smith has a mountain blue
41:05
Speaker 4: batphone and a purple batphone in his office, in his car,
41:10
Speaker 4: in his plane, in his helicopter. That's what I would
41:14
Speaker 4: be if I was in if I was in his shoes,
41:16
Speaker 4: I would have a my hockey team batphone, and I
41:19
Speaker 4: would have a my basketball team batphone. And I envision
41:22
Speaker 4: him probably sitting on the private jet talking to his
41:25
Speaker 4: wife and be like, Hey, we got to get back
41:28
Speaker 4: to town so that we can watch the Jazz play
41:31
Speaker 4: against the Warriors, and his wife saying something like, yeah,
41:35
Speaker 4: I want to watch Steph and be.
41:38
Speaker 5: Like, oh, man, don't you want to watch our Jazz?
41:42
Speaker 9: Oh?
41:42
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah the Jazz too.
41:44
Speaker 2: Don't you think Lowry Markin is as big or a
41:46
Speaker 2: bigger star than Steph Curry? What I envision is him
41:49
Speaker 2: having a moment where he's just like, you know what,
41:53
Speaker 2: like maybe he's got that high school buddy. It's time
41:56
Speaker 2: he's got that high school friend. It's like a surfing
41:59
Speaker 2: instructor and beach or something. It's just like, man, I
42:02
Speaker 2: haven't watched the jazz game in ten years. You guys,
42:05
Speaker 2: stink can tell him, tell him what he really feels.
42:09
Speaker 2: Tell it like it is a Lakers fan now doesn't
42:12
Speaker 2: affect the relationship. And it's for sure not a guy
42:15
Speaker 2: that he respects in any other capacity other than his
42:17
Speaker 2: jazz fandom. Right, It's for sure not a guy who's
42:21
Speaker 2: like his business colleague. It's just some like random dude
42:24
Speaker 2: probably doesn't have any kids, is like you know, Van Wilder,
42:28
Speaker 2: he's maybe still in college for the twenty seventh consecutive year.
42:32
Speaker 2: It's just like, dude, I stopped caring about the jazz
42:34
Speaker 2: ten years ago, and I think that a Ryan Smith
42:37
Speaker 2: got enough of that that whatever the straw was that
42:41
Speaker 2: broke the camel's back, he's like, dude, you know what,
42:44
Speaker 2: not on my watch, not anymore. We need to make
42:48
Speaker 2: people care about this Utah Jazz team. And credit to
42:51
Speaker 2: the ages, and credit to whether it works out or not.
42:55
Speaker 4: In February of twenty twenty six, we are now back
42:59
Speaker 4: to talking about wondering about thinking about the Utah Jazz.
43:05
Speaker 4: There was no chance if you didn't move it the
43:08
Speaker 4: trade deadline that I was saying anything about this team
43:11
Speaker 4: for the rest of the season other than did they
43:13
Speaker 4: stink bad enough to keep the pick?
43:15
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, they did, yay, which they still got to do,
43:19
Speaker 2: by the way, which they're going to do. By the way,
43:22
Speaker 2: I'm still nervous about it.
43:24
Speaker 4: They cannot know I'm nervous about it. Don't be don't
43:28
Speaker 4: be nervous about it. You cannot be nervous about it. Stops.
43:32
Speaker 2: They're already almost they're already almost good, too good to
43:37
Speaker 2: be that, by the way. They beat the Pacers last night.
43:39
Speaker 2: Uh so they're already almost too good without without trade
43:43
Speaker 2: j too Yeah, to keep that pick. And now they
43:47
Speaker 2: and I know he's he's not gonna play. He will
43:50
Speaker 2: have to play some. Now they're much better because they
43:56
Speaker 2: have trade j like they and here's they may end
44:00
Speaker 2: up with the sixth worst six or seventh or eighth
44:03
Speaker 2: worst record, but they but they might. Just what I'm
44:05
Speaker 2: nervous about is not them, not losing enough to be
44:10
Speaker 2: in position to keep it. What I'm nervous about is
44:12
Speaker 2: that they're gonna be They're not gonna lose quiet enough
44:15
Speaker 2: to be guaranteed to keep it sure, and they could
44:19
Speaker 2: end up the tenth pick. And that's Okayse's pick if
44:22
Speaker 2: they finish, if they finished sixth or seventh worst records.
44:25
Speaker 2: I that's what I'm nurousing. I'm a full believer all
44:28
Speaker 2: the way, bought in believer that what's going to happen
44:32
Speaker 2: is you will not see that.
44:33
Speaker 5: This is the I guess the unfortunate part of the trade.
44:36
Speaker 4: I think you're not gonna see tray J and Lowry
44:40
Speaker 4: and Keyante on the floor together probably more than three
44:44
Speaker 4: times the rest of the year.
44:47
Speaker 2: I guarantee you won't see Walker Kessler on the floor
44:49
Speaker 2: with them. I could guarantee you that the three Trees
44:53
Speaker 2: being okay, that the redwood forest growing in Salt Lake
44:56
Speaker 2: City will not be planted this year. You gotta come
44:58
Speaker 2: up with a with a big nickname for them too.
45:01
Speaker 2: That's our next task. Yeah, there's something for us. I
45:04
Speaker 2: like it. Can we play it? Can we play it with?
45:06
Speaker 8: Like?
45:07
Speaker 2: Trey J.
45:09
Speaker 4: J Nationals Workshop at eight seven seven three five three
45:12
Speaker 4: zero seven hundred year nickname for an eventual We hope
45:16
Speaker 4: Walker Kessler, Triple J, Trey J and Lowry Markinen Frontcourt.
45:23
Speaker 4: In any case, give credit where it's due. If you
45:28
Speaker 4: want to criticize the regime, fine, but there was a
45:33
Speaker 4: recognition that shows that this ownership group is far more
45:38
Speaker 4: in touch with its fan base than a lot of
45:41
Speaker 4: ownership groups are, because there are plenty of New York Jets,
45:46
Speaker 4: New York Knicks type ownership groups out there that are
45:49
Speaker 4: just like, are we profitable?
45:51
Speaker 2: Cool?
45:52
Speaker 5: What's that? You don't want the Oakland A's to leave Oakland?
45:56
Speaker 5: Don't care.
45:57
Speaker 4: This is my team and I get the money from
46:00
Speaker 4: whatever happens, So deal with it. Like, that's not what
46:05
Speaker 4: you've got. You've got a leadership group. Whether you want
46:10
Speaker 4: to give it to Will Hardy, or you want to
46:12
Speaker 4: give it to Austin Ainge, or you want to give
46:14
Speaker 4: it to Ryan Smith, or you want to distribute it evenly,
46:17
Speaker 4: you got a leadership group that is like, dude, we
46:21
Speaker 4: can make this happen.
46:23
Speaker 5: So we have to make this happen. Well, Keyante has
46:26
Speaker 5: shown us.
46:26
Speaker 4: What Ace has shown us this year so far has
46:29
Speaker 4: been impressive enough that it's time to take a swing
46:32
Speaker 4: and guess what a fan base, especially like the one
46:35
Speaker 4: of the hard, hardcore, blue collar folks of Salt Lake City.
46:40
Speaker 5: I say that's somewhat tongue in cheek.
46:42
Speaker 2: Respect a swing and amiss far more than waiting in
46:46
Speaker 2: the batter's box and earning that backwards k. It's the
46:49
Speaker 2: last thing anybody wants. Well, let's just see what happens
46:54
Speaker 2: with the draft that's coming in twenty twenty nine. Got
46:56
Speaker 2: a great pick there. Please don't please make things like
47:01
Speaker 2: this happen. And the most intriguing part of this, A
47:06
Speaker 2: lot of people in the know say that the Utah
47:08
Speaker 2: Jazz are not done before tomorrow. I don't know what
47:12
Speaker 2: else that means. I don't know what else that looks like.
47:15
Speaker 2: I guess it could be a lowry market to move,
47:17
Speaker 2: which would nullify everything else we've been saying today.
47:20
Speaker 5: But it doesn't feel like.
47:21
Speaker 2: Unless you get Yannis back, Baby, No, that's not What
47:27
Speaker 2: if they What if Trey j ends up being part
47:30
Speaker 2: of a package that brings Giannis to the Utah Jazz,
47:34
Speaker 2: And what if the Jazz be the first team to
47:36
Speaker 2: come from the from the tent from tenth place, bottom
47:39
Speaker 2: of the play in to win.
47:41
Speaker 4: The NBA Championship. It feels likely, feels like that's what's
47:47
Speaker 4: gonna can keep.
47:48
Speaker 2: That first round pick if that happens.
47:50
Speaker 4: Sixty four of the belt right now at realoc Sports
47:53
Speaker 4: coming in on the Jazz will make the playoffs next season?
47:56
Speaker 4: Thirteen percent say it's twenty seven to twenty eight the
47:59
Speaker 4: season apt for next uh. Six point one percent say
48:03
Speaker 4: it's twenty eight twenty nine, and seventeen percent say the
48:07
Speaker 4: Jazz are never making the playoffs. Is a higher number
48:09
Speaker 4: than I would have expected some salty Jazz fans out there.
48:13
Speaker 4: So that's the seventeen percent that refuse to re engage,
48:17
Speaker 4: that are not falling for your your flirtatiousness, Ryan Smith.
48:22
Speaker 5: Could that lost and age?
48:23
Speaker 2: Could those also be spurned Utes fans who don't like
48:26
Speaker 2: that Ryan Smith likes Pu Yu two. I don't know.
48:30
Speaker 2: There's a lot of those that have that have sworn
48:32
Speaker 2: off the Jazz because of that. It's just that group
48:34
Speaker 2: of one hundred angry Ute fans that ruin every Twitter discussion.
48:40
Speaker 5: I don't think so. All right, lots left to get
48:43
Speaker 5: to here.
48:44
Speaker 4: On the Sean O'Connell show, we got Eric Weddle joining
48:46
Speaker 4: us at noon. We got more to talk about here
48:49
Speaker 4: in our number one Don't Go Anywhere Utahs number one
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Speaker 1: You were listening to the Sean O'Connell show for the
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Speaker 1: Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
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Speaker 4: What's that You thought that all the blockbuster trades in
49:22
Speaker 4: the NBA were either yesterday or tomorrow.
49:25
Speaker 2: You're wrong.
49:26
Speaker 4: Here in the hot Lunch things have heated up. This
49:29
Speaker 4: is like grilled cheese, sandwich and tomato soup level of hot.
49:35
Speaker 5: Another big trade, a massive trade.
49:37
Speaker 4: In fact, very few NBA trades involved future Hall of
49:42
Speaker 4: Fame players, but the Dallas Mavericks are trading ten time
49:46
Speaker 4: NBA All Star Anthony Davis, Jaydon Hardy, D'Angelo Russell, and
49:50
Speaker 4: Dante Exem former jazz Man to the Washington Wizards for
49:55
Speaker 4: Chris Middleton, A J. Johnson, Malachi Brandon, Marvin Bagley, the third,
49:58
Speaker 4: two first round picks, and three second rounders. That is
50:03
Speaker 4: a big time trade for those scoring at home.
50:07
Speaker 2: That is eight players involved in this trade, which is
50:11
Speaker 2: just a banana's number.
50:13
Speaker 4: That's eight current players and thirteen total. When you talk
50:18
Speaker 4: about what those picks will translate to. Yeah, wowza, that's
50:22
Speaker 4: that is.
50:23
Speaker 2: Two full starting lineups and a couple of reserves swapping
50:27
Speaker 2: things around. So is this a Blockbuster trade at James
50:33
Speaker 2: Harden also a Blockbuster trader?
50:34
Speaker 5: Is this more like a Hollywood video trade?
50:36
Speaker 2: No, this is exactly a Blockbuster trade because Blockbuster has
50:40
Speaker 2: gone the way of the Dodo, and both both Anthony
50:44
Speaker 2: Davis and James Harden make sure that your championship hopes
50:47
Speaker 2: go that same direction. Yeah, and Anthony Davis not because
50:51
Speaker 2: not for the same reasons. Right, He's not a head case.
50:53
Speaker 2: He's actually a guy that works really well with his teammates.
50:56
Speaker 4: He just is nickname street close for a reason. He
50:59
Speaker 4: cannot stay hell healthy. Yeah, and oooh that's actually a
51:03
Speaker 4: good poll question.
51:04
Speaker 2: Maybe we should save it for another day. What would
51:10
Speaker 2: you rather be the guy who is great but a
51:14
Speaker 2: head case or the guy who's not a head case
51:18
Speaker 2: and great but can't stay healthy. I mean, everyone will
51:22
Speaker 2: always give you the benefit of the doubt because of
51:25
Speaker 2: your potential. If you're the guy who just couldn't get
51:28
Speaker 2: injured or who couldn't stay healthy, who could always get
51:31
Speaker 2: injured like that, everyone will be talking about Anthony Davis like,
51:37
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, if he just stayed healthy, he'd be
51:40
Speaker 2: top five player all time, right, And we will not
51:43
Speaker 2: be saying that about James Harden because it's like the
51:46
Speaker 2: guy was healthy and he showed us he couldn't deliver.
51:50
Speaker 2: I think I'd rather be the guy. Obviously it sucks
51:54
Speaker 2: in the moment, but long term, I think you I
51:56
Speaker 2: would rather be the guy that everyone's like always giving
51:59
Speaker 2: the benefit to the doubt than the guy who, no,
52:02
Speaker 2: you don't get any benefit of.
52:04
Speaker 5: Shams is also breaking this news.
52:07
Speaker 2: Philadelphia seventy six ers are trading Jared McCain.
52:11
Speaker 5: Oh never mind, not a blockbuster.
52:13
Speaker 2: That one's your local video store. That's what's what's an
52:19
Speaker 2: old in Salt Lake only video store or Sandy that
52:22
Speaker 2: you can tell you I'll.
52:23
Speaker 5: Give you an even better one. Okay. Boone Brothers video
52:26
Speaker 5: Boone Brothers.
52:28
Speaker 4: The I didn't I never experienced this, but anyone who
52:32
Speaker 4: grew up in southern central Utah who was around, especially
52:36
Speaker 4: the football world, the Boone brothers, right like Jesse Boone,
52:40
Speaker 4: Aaron Boone who ended up playing at Kentucky, Jason Boone,
52:44
Speaker 4: They're phenomenal athletes, awesome dudes, right football team captains at
52:49
Speaker 4: the University of Utah. In the case of Jesse and Jason,
52:53
Speaker 4: they had a legendary video rental service where they would
52:58
Speaker 4: charge their friends to borrow videos from them house so
53:01
Speaker 4: they had their own they had their own.
53:03
Speaker 5: Boom Brothers video like in their own home.
53:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, like for their own home movie collection and apparently
53:08
Speaker 4: so so the stories go, it's like a dollar a day,
53:11
Speaker 4: and they this was not one of those.
53:13
Speaker 2: Things they ended up getting busted for this. It was
53:15
Speaker 2: not one of those things where they were like, well,
53:18
Speaker 2: we're friends, it doesn't matter, like just bring it back.
53:20
Speaker 5: It was like, dude, you've had it for six days,
53:22
Speaker 5: give me six bucks.
53:24
Speaker 4: Like, which makes sense because they're all very entrepreneurial, like
53:28
Speaker 4: every one of them is like in business for them,
53:32
Speaker 4: like the brain Boone Brothers video. Man, we I've heard
53:37
Speaker 4: I heard many a story about it, and we cracked
53:38
Speaker 4: jokes about it with the old guys all the time
53:40
Speaker 4: Boone Brothers video. So I have not heard that that's
53:44
Speaker 4: that's this level of trade.
53:46
Speaker 2: Yeah. Shout out to the Boom Brothers. Hopefully you're listening
53:49
Speaker 2: and having a good time. Hopefully they bought some Netflix
53:51
Speaker 2: stock or something. They probably they're in the mood. They're
53:54
Speaker 2: still in the video rental business somehow.
53:56
Speaker 5: And at the cutting edge of it, you know what
53:58
Speaker 5: I mean.
53:58
Speaker 2: Like this was they were. They were enterprising as seventeen
54:04
Speaker 2: year olds in the rental space, video rental space.
54:08
Speaker 4: Pretty cool. So the trades keep rolling in. Now this
54:16
Speaker 4: is interesting. So James Harden, Donovan, Mitchell Mobley, et cetera.
54:21
Speaker 4: In Cleveland. Anthony Davis, Let's pretend that he's going to
54:25
Speaker 4: stay healthy. Sure, Anthony Davis now with Trey Young, who
54:31
Speaker 4: kind of quietly ended up on the Wizards a couple
54:33
Speaker 4: like a week ago. Was yeah, weeks ago really, but
54:36
Speaker 4: like well before the trade deadline, right, just traded this season.
54:40
Speaker 4: So now Anthony Davis and Trey Young are on the
54:44
Speaker 4: same team together.
54:45
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, there's a little something. Alex Saar
54:48
Speaker 2: whose number two pick or no morning number two pick,
54:51
Speaker 2: he said, a decent start to his career. Keishawn, George
54:54
Speaker 2: Trey Johnson, blalol. There's like.
54:59
Speaker 4: Non zero level of talent now residing in Washington, same
55:03
Speaker 4: level of Brown's Super Bowl chances. Talent non zero, A
55:10
Speaker 4: little bit higher level.
55:12
Speaker 2: Okay, if if Anthony Davis, if the brow can stay
55:19
Speaker 2: out of his street close. What if what if Anthony
55:26
Speaker 2: Davis found that he discovered late in his career that
55:30
Speaker 2: if he just shaves the unibrow, it changes the func
55:34
Speaker 2: stue of his entire body, and now he's able to
55:37
Speaker 2: stay healthy.
55:41
Speaker 5: What if that happens.
55:42
Speaker 2: Are there is there an excess of electro magnet magnetic
55:47
Speaker 2: frequencies in his unibrow? What there might be?
55:51
Speaker 4: What what if that's the thing that's been holding him
55:53
Speaker 4: back all these years and he discovers it late and
55:57
Speaker 4: it's like, you shave the unibrow, you never get injured again.
55:59
Speaker 4: He's gonna go back and just be like, you know
56:02
Speaker 4: how many people told me I should shave this thing
56:04
Speaker 4: from the time I was like eleven, and I always
56:06
Speaker 4: said no.
56:08
Speaker 5: Sometimes you got to listen to it by s Anthony.
56:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's like a reverse Samson like shave,
56:14
Speaker 2: take out the take out the hair, and you'll be great.
56:19
Speaker 2: A little small, small soul patch site. At this point,
56:22
Speaker 2: wouldn't you be trying everything?
56:24
Speaker 4: Yeah, just wax it, give it a little bit longer
56:28
Speaker 4: to grow back.
56:28
Speaker 2: Start calling yourself the wax.
56:30
Speaker 5: All right, We're gonna take a break here.
56:32
Speaker 4: Eric Weddle is gonna join us next to preview the
56:35
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, that of course, is happening this weekend, and
56:37
Speaker 4: you can hear it right here on ESPN seven hundred
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Speaker 4: and ninety two one FM.
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Speaker 10: Who we were.
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Speaker 1: This this nuts Sean O'Connell's show, You were home of
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Speaker 1: the best inside of your youths. Let's get back to
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Speaker 1: oc from the Murdoch Chevrolet studio of the ESPN seven
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Speaker 1: hundred and ninety two to one A f.
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Speaker 3: Am, Welcome down number two of the show O'Connell show
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Speaker 3: on a Wednesday.
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Speaker 2: Welcome in the Utah football Legend, the NFL football Legend,
57:16
Speaker 2: the head coach of the Rancho, Bernardo Broncos, Eric Weddle,
57:21
Speaker 2: you doub Hello.
57:23
Speaker 8: What's up my brother?
57:25
Speaker 2: How are you living? Man?
57:27
Speaker 3: Uh?
57:27
Speaker 4: Wednesday instead of Thursday. What we normally know what your
57:30
Speaker 4: Thursday routine is? What is your Wednesday routine?
57:34
Speaker 1: Uh?
57:34
Speaker 8: Shoot, well, I woke up early six am, got my
57:38
Speaker 8: workout in, came back about eight ish and got the
57:43
Speaker 8: kid kids that late start on Wednesday, so they weren't
57:46
Speaker 8: even up yet.
57:48
Speaker 6: Took over to school.
57:50
Speaker 8: The other kids that Dannis appointments had direct TV guy,
57:53
Speaker 8: come on over, fix some boxes. And when we got
57:57
Speaker 8: a little a leadership meeting with the leaders on our
58:02
Speaker 8: team once a week we just started doing and that's
58:05
Speaker 8: at twelve o'clock. So then I got fourth period of
58:09
Speaker 8: football two twenty. So let's be great.
58:11
Speaker 4: What is the leadership meeting entail? What are you what
58:13
Speaker 4: are you covering for these young men in that situation.
58:17
Speaker 8: So we go throughout the off season, we go we
58:21
Speaker 8: you know, we have teams, we get leaders, they draft
58:24
Speaker 8: their teams and then they compete over about seven weeks,
58:29
Speaker 8: seven or eight weeks. Then during those weeks, every Wednesday,
58:32
Speaker 8: we meet with those leaders and teach them about leadership
58:36
Speaker 8: and what that looks like and those characteristics and how
58:40
Speaker 8: to how to be a great listener, how to serve,
58:46
Speaker 8: how to be you know, have humility and and those
58:52
Speaker 8: you know, those things, and ask them how their teams
58:54
Speaker 8: are doing, how the communication is going, are you there
58:56
Speaker 8: for your teammates? You know, those those type of things.
59:00
Speaker 8: And then over the course of the off season, you
59:03
Speaker 8: get roughly about twenty kids that go through this program,
59:06
Speaker 8: and you know, hopefully they carry those characteristics and those
59:10
Speaker 8: things that you learned to be a good leader. And
59:12
Speaker 8: a good man and a good husband and father one day,
59:14
Speaker 8: and and you know, and then hopefully they'll remember it.
59:19
Speaker 4: We've been talking about the NBA trades that are happening,
59:23
Speaker 4: and obviously the NBA and the NFL are a little
59:25
Speaker 4: bit different, but it's pro.
59:26
Speaker 8: Sports where you had Lebron been traded yet.
59:31
Speaker 5: No, Lebron has not been traded. He's not going to
59:33
Speaker 5: be traded.
59:34
Speaker 4: Hey, we're there's always a spot on the Utah Jazz
59:37
Speaker 4: fan bandwagon for you. We're keeping the seat warm for
59:41
Speaker 4: you since you refuse to support your Lakers right now?
59:46
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I honestly, do people still watch basketball?
59:51
Speaker 6: Dude?
59:51
Speaker 2: Don't like?
59:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, the NBA's a lot of fun right now.
59:54
Speaker 8: Actually, I'm being totally honest and candid right now? Do
1:00:02
Speaker 8: do people watch basketball as much as they watch the
1:00:05
Speaker 8: Pro Bowl?
1:00:06
Speaker 6: Last night?
1:00:07
Speaker 8: Did anybody know that the Pro Bowl was even happening?
1:00:09
Speaker 2: Okay, well I have a question for you about that,
1:00:12
Speaker 2: but we'll just go there right now, so you're not
1:00:15
Speaker 2: spending the whole conversation hating on the NBA.
1:00:18
Speaker 5: How do you fix the Pro Bowl?
1:00:21
Speaker 2: A Tuesday night flag football game is embarrassing? Now?
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Speaker 4: I enjoyed I was lucky enough to be invited to
1:00:30
Speaker 4: some of your participation in the Pro Bowl, and those
1:00:32
Speaker 4: are fun weeks, and you made it great for all
1:00:34
Speaker 4: of us. I understand that a lot of people like
1:00:37
Speaker 4: the game itself is not necessarily the best showcase of
1:00:41
Speaker 4: All star talent, but what you were doing is a
1:00:44
Speaker 4: heck of a lot better than what they're doing now.
1:00:46
Speaker 4: So instead of making you the head coach of the
1:00:50
Speaker 4: Rancho Bernardo Broncos, I put you in the NFL front
1:00:52
Speaker 4: office and I say your job is to now fix
1:00:55
Speaker 4: the Pro Bowl, fix our All Star weekend.
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Speaker 5: How do you do it?
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Speaker 8: You get rid of it? It's uh, it's I mean,
1:01:07
Speaker 8: the fact that you're having the twelfth best player representing
1:01:15
Speaker 8: the Pro Bowl is is just a mockery at this point,
1:01:19
Speaker 8: and it really stood for something much more meaningful. And
1:01:26
Speaker 8: you know, we always knew like to be recognized as
1:01:29
Speaker 8: an All Pro was like the the tip right of
1:01:35
Speaker 8: the mountain, Like that's what you were trying to get.
1:01:37
Speaker 8: But being a Pro Bowl was there was a lot
1:01:39
Speaker 8: of merit in that and you and you took it
1:01:41
Speaker 8: serious when you voted on the players from the players standpoint,
1:01:44
Speaker 8: the coaches, but when the fan aspect got into it,
1:01:48
Speaker 8: and they got a third of the vote or more
1:01:50
Speaker 8: than that. Now I don't even know. It just dilutes
1:01:53
Speaker 8: who really deserves to be in the Pro Bowl and
1:01:56
Speaker 8: the fact that they don't even play and it's a
1:01:58
Speaker 8: meaningless It's just it's just embarrassing, if I'm being honest,
1:02:02
Speaker 8: So I would get rid of it. I to honor
1:02:04
Speaker 8: the guys that are real Pro Bowlers and that's it.
1:02:11
Speaker 4: Well that's a little anti climactic, but it feels like
1:02:13
Speaker 4: that might be the direction that the game is headed.
1:02:17
Speaker 8: Well yeah, I mean it's if we're not going to
1:02:19
Speaker 8: play a real game, and if guys are really worried
1:02:22
Speaker 8: about it, then why worried about getting injured like to
1:02:26
Speaker 8: play in a game. You know, my first few years
1:02:29
Speaker 8: in the Pro Bowl, I took it very serious. I
1:02:32
Speaker 8: was hitting people, I was tackling like you know, that's
1:02:36
Speaker 8: just the way it was. And then towards the end
1:02:39
Speaker 8: it got a little out of character of what the
1:02:44
Speaker 8: game was. And if the players don't want to play it, it
1:02:47
Speaker 8: just get rid of it. Why are we going to
1:02:48
Speaker 8: continue to hold on to something that is just not
1:02:53
Speaker 8: a good product, and nobody if there's no nobody despises
1:03:00
Speaker 8: flag football and seven on seven more than myself, So
1:03:03
Speaker 8: I'm sure a lot of people live in the same both.
1:03:07
Speaker 4: Does that hold true even with coaching, because obviously, you
1:03:11
Speaker 4: know there's a lot of these seven on seven tournaments,
1:03:13
Speaker 4: these skills competitions that guys, young guys use to get
1:03:17
Speaker 4: more exposure in the recruiting game and and whatnot. Do
1:03:22
Speaker 4: you do you despise the seven on seven for your
1:03:24
Speaker 4: high school kids?
1:03:27
Speaker 8: Listen any any I'm never gonna tell a kid not
1:03:31
Speaker 8: to go try to get better at their craft, right,
1:03:34
Speaker 8: Like I think I think there's some merit to the
1:03:37
Speaker 8: receivers and the quarterback, especially if it's the quarterback you're
1:03:41
Speaker 8: playing with, to get timing and you know, throwing contected windows.
1:03:48
Speaker 8: But the the whole dynamics of the seven ninety seventh
1:03:51
Speaker 8: team and these these coaches and programs is stealing money
1:03:56
Speaker 8: from these kids and acting as if it has any
1:04:02
Speaker 8: power on getting scholarships, and the coaches looking at it
1:04:05
Speaker 8: like it doesn't, and it just creates bad culture. It
1:04:10
Speaker 8: creates a me type attitude instead of about the team.
1:04:15
Speaker 8: It creates an environment that you usually have to break
1:04:19
Speaker 8: when your kids come back to high school, and I
1:04:23
Speaker 8: am so happy that Gage isn't doing it this offseason
1:04:27
Speaker 8: and he's just working and training and doing things that
1:04:31
Speaker 8: are actually making better and real football, And I couldn't
1:04:35
Speaker 8: be more happy about it.
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Speaker 2: Eric Weddles, our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show
1:04:40
Speaker 2: talking all things football.
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Speaker 4: Will turn our focus now to the Super Bowl. I
1:04:45
Speaker 4: know we touched on it last week when we knew
1:04:47
Speaker 4: what the matchup was and the money and the spread
1:04:53
Speaker 4: is favoring heavily the Seattle Seahawks team. What will the
1:04:57
Speaker 4: Patriots have to do to pull off an upset? He like,
1:05:00
Speaker 4: how can you engineer that against a prohibitive favorite going
1:05:04
Speaker 4: in in the Super Bowl?
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, what is that four point four points?
1:05:15
Speaker 8: Anywhere from five to four? Yeah, they're the underdog, but
1:05:20
Speaker 8: that's really like, you know, anything at three or or
1:05:23
Speaker 8: under an initial site is like a toss up, I guess,
1:05:26
Speaker 8: or that's what people say, maybe a home deild advantage,
1:05:30
Speaker 8: but there won't be, so I don't know. I think, man,
1:05:34
Speaker 8: I think there's a lot of distractions going on with
1:05:37
Speaker 8: Seattle right now, with the coaches and with QBAC and
1:05:43
Speaker 8: getting his staff ready and having those conversations behind closed doors,
1:05:47
Speaker 8: and you're kind of wheeling and dealing, you know, because
1:05:52
Speaker 8: we just thought with Utah, you know, like those conversations
1:05:56
Speaker 8: during bull week, you know who's staying, who's going? Are
1:05:59
Speaker 8: you coming with me? Are you staying? Like Morgan doesn't know.
1:06:03
Speaker 8: And then everyone leaves right after the game. So it
1:06:06
Speaker 8: really is the focus on the super Bowl, Like I
1:06:09
Speaker 8: keep saying it, and I'll say it till I'm boom
1:06:11
Speaker 8: in the face every second that is not focused on
1:06:16
Speaker 8: the super Bowl, which these coaches that are taking jobs
1:06:19
Speaker 8: elsewhere you are thinking about something else will have an impact.
1:06:23
Speaker 8: Now will that impact be enough to sway the game?
1:06:27
Speaker 8: I'm hoping not because for the player's sake, but you
1:06:31
Speaker 8: gotta think it's gonna have an impact. And so who
1:06:34
Speaker 8: does that favor? It favors New England. You know they're
1:06:37
Speaker 8: rock locked and loaded. You know they're gonna be prepared.
1:06:40
Speaker 8: You know they're gonna have every scenario gone over the halftime,
1:06:45
Speaker 8: the two and a half minutes between every possession, having
1:06:49
Speaker 8: those timeouts, Like there's just so much time wasted in
1:06:53
Speaker 8: the Super Bowl that if you don't really have a
1:06:55
Speaker 8: plan for or I have experience doing it, it could
1:06:58
Speaker 8: have an impact. So now on the field as a
1:07:01
Speaker 8: as a longer answer, they just have to play their
1:07:04
Speaker 8: style of football, play great defense, take care of the football.
1:07:07
Speaker 8: When they get their shots in the red zone, you
1:07:09
Speaker 8: gotta score touchdowns. And I know for a fact when
1:07:11
Speaker 8: it's fourth in a long yard, they'll probably take a
1:07:14
Speaker 8: field goal. And that may be the difference in winning
1:07:16
Speaker 8: the Super Bowl or not.
1:07:21
Speaker 2: What do you do with Jackson Smith and Jigba If
1:07:23
Speaker 2: the Patriots call Eric Weddle and say, hey, how do
1:07:26
Speaker 2: we shut this guy down?
1:07:27
Speaker 5: How do you do it?
1:07:30
Speaker 8: Well, it's always easier said than done, you know, like, oh,
1:07:35
Speaker 8: we're just gonna double them every time, and no matter
1:07:38
Speaker 8: what the call is, and like that's just not reality.
1:07:41
Speaker 8: Like when you bring five and you bring six, Therefore
1:07:44
Speaker 8: there there is no help available, right, any coverage calls
1:07:47
Speaker 8: if you're playing single high, like you're always you're always
1:07:51
Speaker 8: mindful of that, right and so but I will say
1:07:55
Speaker 8: that any single high coverage, I'm I'm putting the safety
1:08:00
Speaker 8: on the hash, right, I'm I'm shading to that side
1:08:04
Speaker 8: to make sure that corner knows that he could play
1:08:06
Speaker 8: on the low hill and any go ballside up the sideline.
1:08:10
Speaker 8: I'm going to be there for him any two man
1:08:13
Speaker 8: an any four or six is we are doubling him
1:08:16
Speaker 8: in coverage concepts. But when I bring pressure, you just
1:08:20
Speaker 8: kinda own up to it and and understand, I'm making
1:08:24
Speaker 8: everybody else beat me. Okay, I'm not letting Smith's Jigba
1:08:29
Speaker 8: catch ted balls for one fifty against us. I'm making
1:08:32
Speaker 8: them run the ball, and I'm making Cooper Cup and
1:08:35
Speaker 8: these other guys beat me, which I think. I think
1:08:39
Speaker 8: if I know New England, They're gonna have a great
1:08:41
Speaker 8: plan for him, and I wouldn't be surprised if they
1:08:45
Speaker 8: have a hard time getting in the ball in the
1:08:47
Speaker 8: Super Bowl.
1:08:49
Speaker 2: Is Christian Gonzales the defensive equal for Jackson Smith and
1:08:54
Speaker 2: jigs offensive threat?
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Speaker 8: Well, there's two. There's two things to the two ideas.
1:09:02
Speaker 8: Do you put Gonzales on him and make sure you
1:09:06
Speaker 8: have your best on their best and live with what happens,
1:09:10
Speaker 8: or do you put him on second and leave your
1:09:13
Speaker 8: second corner in the safety over there? And then now
1:09:15
Speaker 8: you say, hey, we love the idea of Gonzales locking
1:09:20
Speaker 8: down their next best option. We doubled Smith's Jigba and
1:09:25
Speaker 8: now they're going at the number three guys who you know,
1:09:29
Speaker 8: lo's their number three. So that's that's just the game
1:09:32
Speaker 8: within the game. How do you want to play that?
1:09:34
Speaker 8: Do you only put them on? Do you do you
1:09:37
Speaker 8: have that matchup when it's when you're blitzing all right,
1:09:40
Speaker 8: when you know there's no help available, but then the
1:09:43
Speaker 8: quarterback knows that. So there's so you got to mix
1:09:46
Speaker 8: and match the coverages. So I don't know, I don't know.
1:09:49
Speaker 8: That's that's what they got to do, and it'll be
1:09:51
Speaker 8: interesting to see how they play that out. But he
1:09:54
Speaker 8: definitely is capable of matching them up and handling that business.
1:10:00
Speaker 2: If you go back to ancient history when you were
1:10:02
Speaker 2: a corner that the coaches would make that decision about
1:10:05
Speaker 2: did you want to have it be your job or
1:10:08
Speaker 2: would you rather do what you said the second option,
1:10:11
Speaker 2: where let's put two on that guy and I'll lock
1:10:15
Speaker 2: down the second best because I will. I'll make sure
1:10:18
Speaker 2: number two doesn't get anything today and we'll do two
1:10:21
Speaker 2: on one against their number one.
1:10:23
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I feel like as a competitor, you
1:10:27
Speaker 8: want you want to go out and be best on
1:10:30
Speaker 8: best right and prove yourself, prove yourself and prove that
1:10:36
Speaker 8: you can handle that job. But if you're thinking about
1:10:39
Speaker 8: what's best and the best way to win, I think
1:10:43
Speaker 8: it may be the other side where this guy that
1:10:47
Speaker 8: I know I can have my way with and he's
1:10:50
Speaker 8: not going to get a sniff, Like, maybe that's the
1:10:52
Speaker 8: best way.
1:10:53
Speaker 2: I think.
1:10:53
Speaker 8: Ultimately, whatever in this game, it doesn't matter what I want.
1:10:58
Speaker 8: It's really whatever. Whatever, he was the best chance to
1:11:00
Speaker 8: win this game because we may not ever get.
1:11:03
Speaker 6: Back here.
1:11:06
Speaker 5: For Sam Donald. We talked about this a little bit
1:11:08
Speaker 5: last week.
1:11:08
Speaker 4: For Sam Donald to have been embattled in his previous
1:11:11
Speaker 4: stops and to now be on the precipice of a
1:11:13
Speaker 4: super Bowl, it comes with a certain amount of pressure.
1:11:16
Speaker 4: Right he got he helped the Vikings improve drastically, but
1:11:20
Speaker 4: then kind of choked when it mattered, And I think
1:11:23
Speaker 4: that's part of the reason why he ended up in Seattle.
1:11:26
Speaker 4: If he can get this super Bowl victory, are we
1:11:30
Speaker 4: going to completely change the narrative around him because of
1:11:33
Speaker 4: how we do things with quarterbacks? Or are we going
1:11:36
Speaker 4: to say, well, he won a super Bowl, like you know,
1:11:39
Speaker 4: Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won super Bowls.
1:11:42
Speaker 5: This defense is the reason.
1:11:45
Speaker 8: The defense wasn't the reason they won last week, so
1:11:50
Speaker 8: they threw three fifty and three tubbies. I think the
1:11:55
Speaker 8: perception on any quarterback that wins the Super Bowl change
1:12:00
Speaker 8: just dramatically, regardless of how your career was up until
1:12:03
Speaker 8: that point. I think if he wins this, and I mean,
1:12:11
Speaker 8: who knows where his career is gonna skyrocket from here
1:12:15
Speaker 8: to be a super Bowl winning quarterback, potentially an MVP
1:12:19
Speaker 8: of the game. What he's done for this season, Like, yeah,
1:12:23
Speaker 8: he's had some turnovers, you know, with the fumbles and
1:12:26
Speaker 8: the interceptions, but in the playoffs, man, he's been he's
1:12:30
Speaker 8: been outstanding. And so he'll be the reason when they
1:12:34
Speaker 8: talk about if they win, he'll be the reason why
1:12:36
Speaker 8: they won. It won't be he was the road the
1:12:40
Speaker 8: cotels of a defense like Trent Deilber, Like that's definitely
1:12:43
Speaker 8: not the case.
1:12:46
Speaker 4: The NFL announced another international expansion game. They're going to
1:12:50
Speaker 4: play for the first time in Paris, and there's a
1:12:54
Speaker 4: lot of criticism for these games because it takes a
1:12:56
Speaker 4: home game away from teams and players either to travel
1:13:00
Speaker 4: or they're just kind of like okay with the travel,
1:13:02
Speaker 4: but they don't really love it. And there's the question
1:13:05
Speaker 4: about safety and things like that. With the jet lag
1:13:08
Speaker 4: and whatnot.
1:13:10
Speaker 2: Look, Paris is an awesome city if you've never been there, especially,
1:13:13
Speaker 2: it's cool to say I went there, I saw it. Whatever.
1:13:16
Speaker 5: It's a an enrichment experience.
1:13:17
Speaker 2: I imagine for some guys, what are your what's your stance
1:13:21
Speaker 2: on these international games as they continue to try to
1:13:23
Speaker 2: grow the game.
1:13:27
Speaker 8: Well, the easy answer is, we have no control over it.
1:13:30
Speaker 8: So they tell us where to play or we're gonna
1:13:32
Speaker 8: play it. It doesn't matter how we feel, what we think injuries,
1:13:35
Speaker 8: just that and the other They really don't care. It's
1:13:38
Speaker 8: all about money. And then on the other side, I
1:13:42
Speaker 8: mean I really enjoyed the International Games. I think I
1:13:44
Speaker 8: played in four of them. And to see the fans,
1:13:49
Speaker 8: to see a different part of the world and how
1:13:53
Speaker 8: the game has grown. And depending on how the team
1:13:58
Speaker 8: executes that trip makes a difference, Like do they give
1:14:01
Speaker 8: you time to enjoy the country that you're in? Is
1:14:07
Speaker 8: it safe? Obviously the travel and this and that is
1:14:10
Speaker 8: is kind of overblown. You get a bed on the
1:14:13
Speaker 8: right over. They make it like we stayed We usually
1:14:17
Speaker 8: stayed on the East Coast, so we played in the
1:14:20
Speaker 8: East Coast, then we stayed there like Sunday to Thursday,
1:14:24
Speaker 8: and then we flew over on Thursday night, so it's
1:14:28
Speaker 8: not It's really just like a west to East coast
1:14:31
Speaker 8: type game and when you go to east coast to overseas.
1:14:35
Speaker 8: So I enjoyed it. I thought it was cool.
1:14:38
Speaker 6: And there's all.
1:14:39
Speaker 8: It's gonna end up being sixteen games at some point
1:14:42
Speaker 8: every every week they'll be an international game the way
1:14:45
Speaker 8: it's going.
1:14:48
Speaker 2: All right, give me your Super Bowl prediction. Make it
1:14:50
Speaker 2: as official as you can.
1:14:53
Speaker 10: Oh man, I think it's gonna be. I think it's
1:15:01
Speaker 10: going to be a close one. I think a field
1:15:04
Speaker 10: goal at the end wins it.
1:15:07
Speaker 8: I think it's Seattle's time and I don't see a
1:15:11
Speaker 8: high scoring affair. Actually, I think it's going to be
1:15:18
Speaker 8: what's the over under?
1:15:19
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what the overunder is. The
1:15:22
Speaker 2: spread at this moment is what four and a half?
1:15:27
Speaker 8: Yeah, I gotta believe the overrunner is probably like forty.
1:15:31
Speaker 2: Oh it is forty five and a half forty five?
1:15:35
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's going to be under that. I
1:15:36
Speaker 8: think it's a twenty to seventeen game. I think it's
1:15:41
Speaker 8: two good defenses, really good coaches. I think you're gonna
1:15:44
Speaker 8: have limited possessions and field goal at the end.
1:15:49
Speaker 4: Great the Seattle Seahawks winning a Super Bowl at the
1:15:52
Speaker 4: forty nine Ers home stadium.
1:15:53
Speaker 5: I love that. Wonderful.
1:16:00
Speaker 8: That was just a nice pitcher you get to have
1:16:02
Speaker 8: of them hold hosting the Lombardi in your stadium. I
1:16:06
Speaker 8: love it.
1:16:07
Speaker 4: Last last thing before we let you go, we were talking
1:16:09
Speaker 4: about the NBA trade deadline, some movement around the NBA.
1:16:13
Speaker 6: Uh.
1:16:14
Speaker 4: What was it like when when you know teammates got
1:16:16
Speaker 4: traded Like how again, larger locker room in the NFL,
1:16:20
Speaker 4: But in the in the NBA and in pro sports,
1:16:23
Speaker 4: you are your teammate one day and then you might
1:16:27
Speaker 4: never play with him again the next day.
1:16:30
Speaker 8: Yeah, I uh, I'm trying to think over the course
1:16:34
Speaker 8: of my career. I remember young, when I was my
1:16:38
Speaker 8: second year in the Chargers, we traded for Chris Chambers
1:16:43
Speaker 8: and he was a stud receiver, came in and helped
1:16:47
Speaker 8: us out right away, and I was a young buck.
1:16:49
Speaker 8: So I'm trying to think off the top of my head.
1:16:52
Speaker 8: I'm not no outside of that, have no real name. Uh.
1:16:59
Speaker 8: In the NFL, it's coming to my mind. I'm sure
1:17:05
Speaker 8: it happened, but it's it's really like when the NBA
1:17:08
Speaker 8: and these trades happened. It's either one one is looking
1:17:12
Speaker 8: to get younger and looking to get draft picks like
1:17:14
Speaker 8: the Jazz and then don't do anything with them. I mean,
1:17:16
Speaker 8: how many they got, like fifteen first round picks and
1:17:20
Speaker 8: have they even used one yet they get I'm not sure.
1:17:22
Speaker 5: Yeah, they gave three away yesterday.
1:17:25
Speaker 8: Who they get or what happened?
1:17:27
Speaker 2: Oh wow, this is how I love this. We're breaking
1:17:30
Speaker 2: news to Eric Weddle right now. The Jazz traded four
1:17:36
Speaker 2: young players and three picks for Jaron Jackson junior from Memphis,
1:17:41
Speaker 2: who's you know, a couple of times all start, All
1:17:45
Speaker 2: defensive NBA and one time defensive Player of the Year
1:17:49
Speaker 2: in the NBA. So he'll help them out with their
1:17:52
Speaker 2: defensive problems ostensibly. So yeah, they they made a move
1:17:56
Speaker 2: to try to get, you know, an all star caliber player,
1:17:59
Speaker 2: especially defense under to add to the young core.
1:18:03
Speaker 8: Four guys and three draft picks for one player.
1:18:06
Speaker 2: No, no, no, they got they got four guys back, but one
1:18:09
Speaker 2: that one that really really matters.
1:18:11
Speaker 5: It's kind of like a bunch of row.
1:18:14
Speaker 6: Is he going to be the faith?
1:18:15
Speaker 8: Is he? Is he the guy?
1:18:17
Speaker 2: I mean he'll be.
1:18:20
Speaker 4: Lowry market and is going to be the face of
1:18:22
Speaker 4: this team until maybe, but he'll be your second best
1:18:26
Speaker 4: player for now, and then they hope that one of
1:18:29
Speaker 4: the young guys ends up being you know, Caante George
1:18:32
Speaker 4: has had a really great year so far. It's funny,
1:18:34
Speaker 4: I'm talking to a professional athlete, like a super hardcore
1:18:38
Speaker 4: sports guy who's just out on the NBA right now.
1:18:41
Speaker 2: And and to be.
1:18:42
Speaker 4: Fair, this is how a lot of Jazz fans were
1:18:44
Speaker 4: feeling before that trade because they've stunk for so long.
1:18:47
Speaker 4: So it's kind of a cool thing to see yesterday
1:18:50
Speaker 4: where they're re engaging the fan base by by taking
1:18:53
Speaker 4: a swing like this.
1:18:54
Speaker 8: You know, yeah, I mean as as a as a
1:18:58
Speaker 8: fan uh of sports, not so much the NBA anymore.
1:19:03
Speaker 8: But you just hope that the team that you follow,
1:19:06
Speaker 8: the ownership wants to win and they show it each year,
1:19:10
Speaker 8: right like you got to know, even though I feel
1:19:12
Speaker 8: like the Rams kind of maybe missed it at the
1:19:14
Speaker 8: trade deadline this year, but they've been all in every year, right,
1:19:19
Speaker 8: And that's that's all you can ask for the fan base.
1:19:21
Speaker 8: So if the if the Jazz fans up there pumped,
1:19:25
Speaker 8: then I'm pumped too. Let's go. Let's go Jazz.
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Speaker 5: I love hearing it.
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Speaker 4: I always appreciate your time, my friend. Have a great weekend,
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Speaker 4: enjoy the Super Bowl. We'll talk next.
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Speaker 8: Week you as well.
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Speaker 6: But you as well that.
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Speaker 4: Eric Weddle and we go back to back with the
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Speaker 4: so far as we knows. We're gonna have him next,
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Speaker 4: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred. I
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Speaker 4: know it's early, but again, this is my Friday because
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Speaker 4: I'm in Dubai for PFL fights this weekend. So i
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Speaker 4: want your Super Bowl predictions at eight seven seven three
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Speaker 4: five three zero seven hundred Seattle, New England. Right now,
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Speaker 4: the spread sits at four and a half in favor
1:21:01
Speaker 4: of Seattle, forty five and a half for the over under.
1:21:07
Speaker 4: Eric Weddle just talked to us and said he thinks
1:21:09
Speaker 4: it's like a twenty to seventeen point game. We're going
1:21:14
Speaker 4: to effort Chad Brown see what he thinks of this
1:21:16
Speaker 4: matchup in terms of its high scoring or not capabilities.
1:21:21
Speaker 4: The quarterbacks matchup pretty well in this game. Sam Darnold
1:21:26
Speaker 4: had four thousand yards this year, Drake May had forty
1:21:29
Speaker 4: three to ninety four. May had thirty one touchdowns and
1:21:33
Speaker 4: eight interceptions. Now officially, Drake May is being listed as
1:21:38
Speaker 4: questionable for the game. I think that the case would
1:21:42
Speaker 4: have to be very extreme for Drake May to not
1:21:45
Speaker 4: be the guy who takes every single.
1:21:46
Speaker 5: Snap for the Patriots in this game.
1:21:48
Speaker 4: I mean, unless we we have like a bo Nick
1:21:51
Speaker 4: situation where he somehow hurt himself in a Fluke accident,
1:21:56
Speaker 4: You're gonna see Drake May. I asked the question, Eric,
1:22:02
Speaker 4: what about Jackson Smith and Jigba and how you try
1:22:05
Speaker 4: to approach him, how you slow him down. He gave
1:22:10
Speaker 4: a great breakdown of the two defensive philosophies that you
1:22:13
Speaker 4: feel like you kind of have to decide against, and
1:22:17
Speaker 4: even a basic.
1:22:20
Speaker 2: Rudimentary football conversation I think could make it pretty clear
1:22:24
Speaker 2: you have to choose whether you double him, bracket him,
1:22:27
Speaker 2: or whether you put your best guy on him. Because
1:22:31
Speaker 2: the second option for Seattle obviously is good enough to
1:22:35
Speaker 2: hurt you. So you can't just take away that one weapon.
1:22:40
Speaker 2: So what would you do? What would Chad Brown do?
1:22:43
Speaker 4: What would Chad Brown like to see his defensive coordinator
1:22:46
Speaker 4: do to slow down somebody like jsin Chad Brown, former
1:22:50
Speaker 4: Colorado Buffalo, former New England Patriot, former Seattle Seahawk. The
1:22:57
Speaker 4: Venn diagram of people who have played for both of
1:22:59
Speaker 4: those teams and are now ready to talk about it
1:23:03
Speaker 4: in sports media. It's a small group, and we're lucky
1:23:05
Speaker 4: enough to welcome one of the all time Buffs legends
1:23:08
Speaker 4: to the show again on The Sean O'Connell Show.
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Speaker 5: Chad, welcome back. How are you.
1:23:12
Speaker 6: I'm fantastic, Sean, How are you, my friend?
1:23:14
Speaker 5: I'm doing great, man.
1:23:15
Speaker 4: I don't know if you heard my preamble there, but
1:23:18
Speaker 4: we just had Eric Wedelon, and we were talking to
1:23:20
Speaker 4: him about the specifics of how he thought New England
1:23:24
Speaker 4: should try to slow down Jackson Smith and Jigba.
1:23:27
Speaker 5: And you would not.
1:23:29
Speaker 4: Have drawn this duty as a big body linebacker, But
1:23:33
Speaker 4: how would you like to see the defensive backs and
1:23:35
Speaker 4: your defensive coordinator approach somebody like JSN.
1:23:39
Speaker 6: Well, there's a couple of different philosophies you can go to.
1:23:41
Speaker 6: You can go with the you know Bill Belichick, Well,
1:23:44
Speaker 6: we can do w all over the field. We're going
1:23:46
Speaker 6: to make sure that if you find a way to
1:23:49
Speaker 6: beat us, it's not going to be with that guy.
1:23:52
Speaker 6: So to be able to have a underneath coverage and
1:23:55
Speaker 6: a shafety on top obviously would be a way to
1:23:58
Speaker 6: do that. That way, you think you can put your
1:23:59
Speaker 6: best cornerback on the second best targets, you're kind of
1:24:02
Speaker 6: eliminating the number one threat and the number two threat.
1:24:06
Speaker 6: From a linebacker perspective, I certainly would have a responsibility
1:24:09
Speaker 6: in that as well. So my ability if he's going
1:24:12
Speaker 6: to line up in the slot to as an outside
1:24:14
Speaker 6: linebacker to get on top of him and who rouse
1:24:16
Speaker 6: him and give him off his spot. If I can
1:24:19
Speaker 6: make him move three or four yards from his original alignment.
1:24:22
Speaker 6: As he's trying to get around me to get into
1:24:25
Speaker 6: his route, some of the timing between him and Sam
1:24:27
Speaker 6: Donald are affected. And so with that pass rush being
1:24:31
Speaker 6: able to get to Sam Dolla, an extra second and
1:24:33
Speaker 6: two could actually matter there. And if those guys aren't
1:24:36
Speaker 6: exactly in the spot where they expect each other to be,
1:24:38
Speaker 6: and that connection is not going to be as strong.
1:24:40
Speaker 6: So there's a number of ways you can approach this.
1:24:42
Speaker 6: And I'm assuming that Mike Rabel and that the defensive
1:24:46
Speaker 6: staff in New England are looking at all these different angles.
1:24:49
Speaker 6: They just don't want to show Sam Donald one thing.
1:24:52
Speaker 6: They're going to try to show him multiple things.
1:24:55
Speaker 4: Let's talk about Sam Donald, if he can pull this off,
1:24:58
Speaker 4: if he can help lead this Seattle team to a
1:25:01
Speaker 4: Super Bowl championship. It's one of like the great kind
1:25:03
Speaker 4: of turnaround stories of the recent history in the NFL.
1:25:08
Speaker 4: A guy that you got drafted to an organization that
1:25:12
Speaker 4: typically doesn't treat quarterbacks all that well in terms of
1:25:15
Speaker 4: their success. And then even after he moved on from there,
1:25:19
Speaker 4: I mean, he was with the Niners as a backup.
1:25:21
Speaker 4: He won games in Minnesota, and Minnesota still decided they
1:25:24
Speaker 4: needed to move on from him. If Sam Donald can
1:25:27
Speaker 4: pull this off in Seattle, is there a lesson for
1:25:30
Speaker 4: the NFL, a lesson for draft stories like his if
1:25:33
Speaker 4: he can make it happen.
1:25:34
Speaker 6: Now, I think it shouldn't be surprising that sometimes quarterbacks
1:25:40
Speaker 6: need a good situation around them. So you talked about
1:25:44
Speaker 6: him being drafted to the Jets, and the Jets, Obnessy,
1:25:46
Speaker 6: weren't very good organizationally. They haven't been very good in
1:25:49
Speaker 6: a long time, so we don't want to know, haven't
1:25:51
Speaker 6: been in a playoff game. So the thought that yes,
1:25:55
Speaker 6: we aren't good at best drafted quarterback with our number
1:25:59
Speaker 6: one kick, suddenly everything is going to be better. I
1:26:03
Speaker 6: think that's a ridiculous notion. You've got to build up
1:26:05
Speaker 6: the organization around these young quarterbacks. You're almost an impossible
1:26:10
Speaker 6: task to ask the young guys to come in and
1:26:14
Speaker 6: be able to deal with being in the franchise face
1:26:19
Speaker 6: of the franchise. But also, you don't have a great,
1:26:23
Speaker 6: good offensive line, your skill posision, guys are not exactly
1:26:28
Speaker 6: meeting the level you need to be successful. And yet
1:26:30
Speaker 6: we move on from these guys and say it's all
1:26:32
Speaker 6: his fault. It's a lesson that the NFL should have
1:26:36
Speaker 6: more patience with these quarterbacks, particularly when you invest so
1:26:39
Speaker 6: much draft capital to get them in the first three
1:26:41
Speaker 6: or four or five picks.
1:26:44
Speaker 4: We do treat Super Bowl wins as a quarterback stat
1:26:48
Speaker 4: even though the NFL is the ultimate team game. As
1:26:50
Speaker 4: someone who played the game as well and as long
1:26:53
Speaker 4: as you did, how do you approach that? Because it
1:26:56
Speaker 4: is one of the things where you separate the wheat
1:26:58
Speaker 4: from the chaff and where you find mind the elite
1:27:01
Speaker 4: versus the just pretty good. How do you, as a
1:27:04
Speaker 4: player who knows all of the ins and outs, approach
1:27:07
Speaker 4: that quarterback? You got to win a Super Bowl to
1:27:10
Speaker 4: be truly great conversation?
1:27:12
Speaker 6: Well, I think the truly greats do find a way
1:27:15
Speaker 6: to overcome some shortcomings. The amount of offensive structures that
1:27:23
Speaker 6: Tom Brady was able to make successful in New England
1:27:26
Speaker 6: when he first won his first couple of Super Bowls,
1:27:29
Speaker 6: they were defensive and run oriented teams. Then they went
1:27:32
Speaker 6: to a phase they had the two tight ends when
1:27:34
Speaker 6: Gronk and hernandez I was there in six and seven,
1:27:38
Speaker 6: when it was Wes Welker and Randy Moss. So a
1:27:41
Speaker 6: great quarterback is going to be that rising tide that
1:27:44
Speaker 6: lifts all boats outside of a couple of guys in
1:27:47
Speaker 6: Peyton mannings Ken Here, from a colt's perspective, fun off
1:27:51
Speaker 6: of the line was never really great, but Bayden was
1:27:54
Speaker 6: always going to be in the right play. He was
1:27:56
Speaker 6: always going to get the ball out of his hand quickly,
1:27:58
Speaker 6: so he was able to over comes some deficiency that
1:28:01
Speaker 6: other quarterbacks may not have been able to operate with. Now,
1:28:05
Speaker 6: having said all that, those are the truly, truly great.
1:28:09
Speaker 6: But if you're you know, I've also been a teammate
1:28:12
Speaker 6: of Trent Dilfer, who won a Super Bowl with the
1:28:14
Speaker 6: Baltimore Ravens. And so if we're going to somehow discount
1:28:20
Speaker 6: Dan Marino's greatness because he never hoisted the Lombardi Trophy
1:28:24
Speaker 6: and elevate Trent Dilfer because he did, that would not
1:28:28
Speaker 6: be an accurate, more true telling of the facts about
1:28:31
Speaker 6: their skill sets or their greatness.
1:28:35
Speaker 4: Chad Brown, as our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
1:28:38
Speaker 4: former Seahawk, former Patriot, I think I've heard you answer
1:28:41
Speaker 4: this question already, but I've got to ask it for
1:28:44
Speaker 4: our audience. Is there a particular rooting interest for you
1:28:48
Speaker 4: given the fact that you have connections to both of
1:28:49
Speaker 4: these franchises.
1:28:52
Speaker 6: I mean, at this point, it's been so far to
1:28:54
Speaker 6: move since I got in the paycheck from either of
1:28:56
Speaker 6: these teams. Necessarily roots any for anybody outside of the
1:29:02
Speaker 6: colleaud of Buffalo's and the John Muir High School Mighty
1:29:04
Speaker 6: Muddy Mustangs. All my teams that I played with, the Steelers, Seahawks,
1:29:10
Speaker 6: and the Patriots, there's been tremendous turnover obviously since I
1:29:14
Speaker 6: was there. There's very few connections who were there when
1:29:17
Speaker 6: I was there. But for the case of the Patriots,
1:29:19
Speaker 6: obviously we would share a linebacker room with Mike Rabel,
1:29:23
Speaker 6: so I've got a great connection with him. But I've
1:29:25
Speaker 6: got great connections with guys on the Seahawks as well,
1:29:28
Speaker 6: So I know front office people, I know guys who
1:29:30
Speaker 6: are now coaches. So I just wish my best for
1:29:33
Speaker 6: all those guys to somehow put their best together in
1:29:37
Speaker 6: this most important game of the season so they can
1:29:40
Speaker 6: walk away with no regrets. You may not be necessarily
1:29:43
Speaker 6: happy with the way things turned out, but I want
1:29:45
Speaker 6: you to put together such a great game or a
1:29:48
Speaker 6: great game plan that you feel no regrets and laid
1:29:51
Speaker 6: it all on the line out there that's my only
1:29:54
Speaker 6: ask for these friends of mine.
1:29:56
Speaker 2: You mentioned Mike Grabel, and neither of the head coaches
1:30:00
Speaker 2: in this game are particularly long tenured, either as head
1:30:04
Speaker 2: coaches or at their current spot. But of course Rabel
1:30:08
Speaker 2: has plenty of Super Bowl caliber success as a player,
1:30:12
Speaker 2: and I will admit to falling back on the lazy
1:30:14
Speaker 2: tropes as a media member and just saying like, oh, yeah,
1:30:17
Speaker 2: this guy's got experience in the playoffs, and well, you
1:30:20
Speaker 2: got to have been there to really know, Chad.
1:30:22
Speaker 5: I wasn't in the NFL. I don't know.
1:30:25
Speaker 4: Does it translate from player experience and knowing what this
1:30:30
Speaker 4: game is like, knowing what these two weeks of preparation
1:30:32
Speaker 4: are like. Can you use that to help your team?
1:30:35
Speaker 4: If you're Mike Rabel, I think.
1:30:39
Speaker 6: You can because you've gone through it multiple times. If
1:30:42
Speaker 6: they're Mike Rabel, So his ability to relate his playing
1:30:46
Speaker 6: experience to his guys, they're one of the guys who
1:30:49
Speaker 6: are going to win and lose a game out there
1:30:50
Speaker 6: on the field, I think it's critically Now he's got
1:30:55
Speaker 6: a great number of coaches who were you played for
1:30:58
Speaker 6: or played with who can refer back to for the
1:31:01
Speaker 6: coaching aspect, of things. You know, he was drafted to
1:31:05
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh Steelers as I was real Cowers got super Bowl experience. Clearly,
1:31:10
Speaker 6: Bill Belichick's got that. Josh McDaniels, who you know is
1:31:14
Speaker 6: his offensive coordinator, has been there for those Patriots super bowls.
1:31:17
Speaker 6: So he's not going to be lacking from the player experience,
1:31:21
Speaker 6: nor from what it's like to be a coach and
1:31:23
Speaker 6: how to best execute the extra week. How do you
1:31:28
Speaker 6: take advantage of that all those small pieces of the
1:31:31
Speaker 6: puzzle that you need to do. And they're talking to
1:31:33
Speaker 6: Bill Kaller about super Bowl preparation. He always talked about
1:31:36
Speaker 6: it's such a long week that he wanted to hold
1:31:39
Speaker 6: back certain aspects of the game plan for getting down
1:31:42
Speaker 6: to the host city and you know, getting the guys
1:31:45
Speaker 6: re excited and reinvigorated by having a couple of trick
1:31:49
Speaker 6: plays that he wanted to insert into the game plan
1:31:51
Speaker 6: that may not even be called during the game, but
1:31:54
Speaker 6: just to get the guys excited and re engaged with it.
1:31:57
Speaker 6: So it's not just here's another meeting, here's fame game
1:32:00
Speaker 6: plan we used all year long. Let's have something new,
1:32:03
Speaker 6: fresh and interesting. Bill Cole always talks about that.
1:32:10
Speaker 2: It's been a particularly dramatic year in the coaching carousel,
1:32:14
Speaker 2: and you talked about turnover, even the Steelers, even your
1:32:18
Speaker 2: former team, the Steelers finally had some turnover, which is
1:32:21
Speaker 2: not characteristic of that organization. Uh, when you look at
1:32:25
Speaker 2: all the turnover and the coordinators and especially the head
1:32:28
Speaker 2: coaches that have been hired, is there one situation that's
1:32:32
Speaker 2: going to draw your attention more than others because of
1:32:35
Speaker 2: either who got pushed out or who got hired.
1:32:40
Speaker 6: Well, we're you know, we're seeing this continuation of if
1:32:44
Speaker 6: you coach with Kyle Shanahan or you coach with song
1:32:47
Speaker 6: with a suddenly you are steel Like you're just next
1:32:50
Speaker 6: in line to be an NFL head coach. So, whether
1:32:53
Speaker 6: we're talking about Clint Kubiak most likely leaving the Seahawks
1:32:57
Speaker 6: and going to the Raiders, when we're talking about mcfluor
1:32:59
Speaker 6: going the Cardinals, that's a very interesting way to go
1:33:03
Speaker 6: about the process if I'm going to judge it from
1:33:06
Speaker 6: the outside. And of course I've got college teammates an
1:33:11
Speaker 6: Airpinemy or Advance Joseph who have proven themselves as play
1:33:17
Speaker 6: callers on both sides of the ball. For these guys,
1:33:19
Speaker 6: and I think they both deserve head coaching opportunities, so
1:33:24
Speaker 6: rather than focus on maybe one guy, I think this
1:33:27
Speaker 6: hiring process is a bit flawed, and obviously it's skews
1:33:32
Speaker 6: to some of these younger guys who has again coached
1:33:37
Speaker 6: with Shanahan or McVeigh. That doesn't necessarily make you ready
1:33:41
Speaker 6: to be a leader of men. I'm not sure how
1:33:44
Speaker 6: that equation stacks up for these owners, but for me,
1:33:48
Speaker 6: it just feels very shortsighted and it doesn't actually give
1:33:54
Speaker 6: the team the best chance for success just because somebody
1:33:58
Speaker 6: coached with someone else.
1:34:00
Speaker 5: Did you ever play for a coach younger than you?
1:34:05
Speaker 6: Bill Cower was thirty four when he got that Pittsburgh
1:34:08
Speaker 6: Steelers job. Of course I was a rookie, so he
1:34:12
Speaker 6: was older than me. So No, Mike Homgren, Dennis Rickson,
1:34:15
Speaker 6: Bill Belichick, all these head coaches were, you know, definitely
1:34:19
Speaker 6: into their power within his forties by the time I
1:34:24
Speaker 6: got No. No, he was in his late thirties by
1:34:26
Speaker 6: time I got there. But Belichick, Holmgren and Erickson were
1:34:29
Speaker 6: definitely older guys. I did have position coaches who were younger,
1:34:32
Speaker 6: and sometimes that was great because we could relate on
1:34:34
Speaker 6: a younger person's level, But other times it just felt like,
1:34:38
Speaker 6: you know, you didn't have quite enough skins on the
1:34:41
Speaker 6: wall to be telling me what to do and asking
1:34:44
Speaker 6: me to run down the field and hit somebody full
1:34:46
Speaker 6: speed with my face.
1:34:47
Speaker 4: That's why I asked the question, because we're seeing like
1:34:49
Speaker 4: these now.
1:34:50
Speaker 5: It's getting younger and younger and younger.
1:34:51
Speaker 4: We're seeing thirty one year old being elevated to coordinator
1:34:56
Speaker 4: positions and things like that. And I know that the
1:34:58
Speaker 4: league is a young man's league as well well, but
1:35:00
Speaker 4: there's plenty of guys in this NFL that are in
1:35:03
Speaker 4: their early and mid thirties that I don't know, again
1:35:06
Speaker 4: because I've never been in the NFL, But it's like, what.
1:35:09
Speaker 5: Are you going to tell what? You how are you
1:35:11
Speaker 5: gonna tell me?
1:35:11
Speaker 2: Kid?
1:35:12
Speaker 4: Like how I was supposed to be doing my job
1:35:14
Speaker 4: when you probably have never done the job at my
1:35:16
Speaker 4: level and you weren't even born when I started doing
1:35:19
Speaker 4: the job.
1:35:19
Speaker 6: Maybe, Yeah, it's a it's an interesting, you know, subset
1:35:25
Speaker 6: of the NFL, these these younger coaches, and I often
1:35:30
Speaker 6: think the process of some of these guys who didn't
1:35:35
Speaker 6: play in the NFL. They maybe played in college and
1:35:37
Speaker 6: as soon as college was done, they were able to
1:35:40
Speaker 6: jump onto their dad's staff and work their way up.
1:35:45
Speaker 6: While that certinly gives them the schematic knowledge and the
1:35:48
Speaker 6: x's and o's that are needed to be an NFL coach,
1:35:52
Speaker 6: there's also, I think a disconnect there after the struggle
1:35:57
Speaker 6: that a lot of the players go through to get
1:35:59
Speaker 6: to the NFL. Because life has been great for them,
1:36:02
Speaker 6: they want to college me or had an NFL job
1:36:05
Speaker 6: as soon as they were done in college. And so again,
1:36:08
Speaker 6: I know the NFL is trending towards younger coaches, and
1:36:13
Speaker 6: I feel like I sound like an old man, get
1:36:16
Speaker 6: off my law and moments, but I think there is
1:36:19
Speaker 6: something to a guy who's battle justice as the head coach,
1:36:22
Speaker 6: who've seen it all and can relate that to you
1:36:26
Speaker 6: and somebody who maybe has played in the league and
1:36:28
Speaker 6: relate what it's like. Going back to our conversation a
1:36:31
Speaker 6: bit to go about Mike Rabel, what it's like to
1:36:33
Speaker 6: play in the Super Bowl, what's the daylight? How do
1:36:36
Speaker 6: you handle all that? How do you handle your marriage?
1:36:38
Speaker 6: In the first couple of quarters. These guys can't speak
1:36:41
Speaker 6: to that, they've never been in those shoes.
1:36:45
Speaker 2: Before.
1:36:45
Speaker 4: I let you go back to the Super Bowl itself.
1:36:49
Speaker 4: Do you have a prediction on the game.
1:36:52
Speaker 6: I think it's going to be an incredibly close game.
1:36:56
Speaker 6: I know folks are discounting the Patriots offense Drake May
1:37:00
Speaker 6: fifteen times in the first three playoff games, they've been
1:37:03
Speaker 6: fairly ineffective on to play some really good defenses. But
1:37:07
Speaker 6: the offense certainly has less one to be desired. But
1:37:09
Speaker 6: I think you give Mike Braybell and Josh mcdanias two
1:37:11
Speaker 6: weeks to prepare for somebody, they're going to dial up
1:37:14
Speaker 6: some things that are going to be successful. And Sam
1:37:18
Speaker 6: Donald on the Seahawks side, his ability to be good Sam,
1:37:22
Speaker 6: and we saw in the championship game, or is it
1:37:25
Speaker 6: going to be bad Sam, which we saw last year
1:37:27
Speaker 6: in Minnesota agent the season and we saw a few
1:37:29
Speaker 6: times this year with the Seahawks. I think the game
1:37:34
Speaker 6: plan that they draped the drink mate with the Patriots,
1:37:37
Speaker 6: what Sam Donald shows up, those are going to be
1:37:39
Speaker 6: the two deciding factors in this game. So in the end,
1:37:42
Speaker 6: I've got a close game. If it's a one score
1:37:45
Speaker 6: game and it's seven minutes left, oh my goodness. The
1:37:48
Speaker 6: Patriots are excellent at finding ways to manipulate situations and
1:37:53
Speaker 6: find ways to win close games. The Seahawks, if they're
1:37:57
Speaker 6: able to get on top and use momentum and maybe
1:38:01
Speaker 6: in some ways there's superior challenge to drive them forward,
1:38:04
Speaker 6: they can find a way to win this game as well.
1:38:07
Speaker 6: I don't necessarily have a prediction other than I expected
1:38:09
Speaker 6: to be close at the end.
1:38:13
Speaker 2: Chad. I appreciate your time, especially I know you're traveling
1:38:16
Speaker 2: and it's not an ideal travel day and that's always
1:38:18
Speaker 2: stressful and whatnot. So thank you very much for joining
1:38:21
Speaker 2: us today. Enjoy the Super Bowl. Thanks for your time.
1:38:25
Speaker 6: Well, I'm happy to be on with you, my friend,
1:38:26
Speaker 6: talk to you soon.
1:38:28
Speaker 2: Chad Brown, former buff former Steeler, former Seahawk, former Patriot,
1:38:34
Speaker 2: longtime NFL linebacker, and now NFL and college football analysts.
1:38:42
Speaker 4: Thinks it's going to be a close game. All right,
1:38:43
Speaker 4: we'll take a quick one here. The Daily Dump is next,
1:38:46
Speaker 4: and I got one story for you. It's a callback
1:38:50
Speaker 4: to something we talked about with a guy who's played
1:38:52
Speaker 4: an actual NBA games trying to come back into college basketball.
1:38:58
Speaker 4: His name is Amari Bay and you're gonna.
1:39:04
Speaker 2: Feeling out of the loop.
1:39:05
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1:39:21
Speaker 2: Just look for the truck with the duck. All right,
1:39:26
Speaker 2: you know what I gotta That tease that I just
1:39:29
Speaker 2: gave you was based on.
1:39:32
Speaker 4: A bad tweet. That's that's my bad. That is I'm embarrassed.
1:39:38
Speaker 4: I got got on the old Twitter machine. You try
1:39:41
Speaker 4: while you're doing the show and you're having interviews, you
1:39:43
Speaker 4: try to make sure that you're not missing any breaking news.
1:39:48
Speaker 5: Screwed that one up, guys, I'm sorry.
1:39:51
Speaker 2: I hate it.
1:39:52
Speaker 5: I hate it.
1:39:53
Speaker 2: Shout out to the comments. Are there warning you too? Yeah,
1:39:59
Speaker 2: this guy's now legit? Yeah, not legit.
1:40:02
Speaker 4: So I cannot tell you how much I loathe the
1:40:08
Speaker 4: the change made where you can have that blue check
1:40:12
Speaker 4: mark just for paying for it, just by paying for it.
1:40:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, because this guy has the blue check mark, which
1:40:17
Speaker 2: in the old system credibility.
1:40:20
Speaker 4: And I should you know, you got to head on
1:40:22
Speaker 4: a swivel, stay on your toes when you have a
1:40:25
Speaker 4: radio show and you're in sports media, you should know.
1:40:29
Speaker 2: Right.
1:40:29
Speaker 5: I'm not passing the blame. It's all on me, guys.
1:40:34
Speaker 4: But this Scott Hughes character because of his blue check mark,
1:40:39
Speaker 4: does not mean that he was telling the truth about
1:40:41
Speaker 4: the Marii Bailey situation, which we don't have any real
1:40:44
Speaker 4: developments on.
1:40:46
Speaker 5: I'm to see here. There is nothing happened.
1:40:49
Speaker 4: Guys, just ignored what I teased and what I almost
1:40:53
Speaker 4: came to the air with.
1:40:54
Speaker 5: We could have been really embarrassing.
1:40:55
Speaker 2: We could just use this as we could just say
1:40:57
Speaker 2: we did a clunky segue on purpose to talk about
1:41:00
Speaker 2: UVU getting sued. That's exactly right. A different Utah County school,
1:41:05
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
1:41:07
Speaker 4: So ub U is look all love to you Wolverines
1:41:13
Speaker 4: out there, shout out Wolverine Wrestling especially.
1:41:17
Speaker 2: We got we got the games, the basketball games on
1:41:19
Speaker 2: the network, on the fans in this building.
1:41:23
Speaker 4: Okay, we got the Bryce Larson. We love those guys.
1:41:28
Speaker 4: UBU is potentially on the hook for not hundreds, not thousands,
1:41:34
Speaker 4: not hundreds of thousands. We're talking over a million dollars
1:41:37
Speaker 4: because of exit fees.
1:41:41
Speaker 2: This is a bad situation, James, And did you see
1:41:45
Speaker 2: Pete Fammel, of all people broke this. He's not one
1:41:49
Speaker 2: that usually breaks stuff about mid major schools like this.
1:41:53
Speaker 2: Did you see his tweet in there in the lawsuit,
1:41:56
Speaker 2: it says that they have the university presidents saying, and
1:42:01
Speaker 2: we're not gonna pay the exit fee. This is UBU
1:42:03
Speaker 2: is getting sued by the Whack for allegedly not paying
1:42:08
Speaker 2: their exit fee.
1:42:10
Speaker 4: They're joining the Big West next year. They're ineligible for
1:42:14
Speaker 4: the postseason in all Whack sports, including basketball, even though
1:42:18
Speaker 4: the men's team is currently leading the conference and the
1:42:21
Speaker 4: baseball team is the defending Whack champions. So from a
1:42:26
Speaker 4: macro standpoint, maybe the Big West is going to be
1:42:29
Speaker 4: better for them. From a micro standpoint, if you're on
1:42:32
Speaker 4: this men's basketball team this year, if you're on this
1:42:35
Speaker 4: baseball team this year, that is damaging to your college experience.
1:42:41
Speaker 2: The basketball team. For anyone who's followed Utah Valley Wolverines recently,
1:42:47
Speaker 2: they have been going back to the Mark Pope era,
1:42:50
Speaker 2: now almost ten years ago. They have been knocking on
1:42:54
Speaker 2: the door of making the NSWA Tournament almost every year.
1:42:58
Speaker 2: Mark Pope almost had them there. Mark Madson got him
1:43:01
Speaker 2: right to the cusp of it. Todd Phillips, who's the
1:43:04
Speaker 2: head coach.
1:43:04
Speaker 4: Now.
1:43:05
Speaker 2: It got them to the WAX Championship game last year,
1:43:09
Speaker 2: and now they don't have Grand Canyon was a team
1:43:12
Speaker 2: that was usually in their way. Now Grand Canyon's not
1:43:15
Speaker 2: in the conference. They're leading the conference again. They're primed
1:43:19
Speaker 2: to finally knock down that door, go through that glass seat,
1:43:23
Speaker 2: break that glass ceiling, get the NCY Tournament, and then
1:43:25
Speaker 2: this happens. It's terrible for the men's basketball team in particular,
1:43:30
Speaker 2: really sucks. I had this in the Daily Dump yesterday.
1:43:33
Speaker 2: We never got to it.
1:43:35
Speaker 4: I know that everyone's excited about the World Cup soccer
1:43:38
Speaker 4: World Cup happening in North America. You can't afford to
1:43:41
Speaker 4: go to the games, so we will be covering them aggressively.
1:43:45
Speaker 2: We'll be watching them.
1:43:46
Speaker 4: Big Willies is gonna have watch parties for US seventeen
1:43:49
Speaker 4: seventeen South Main. It's gonna be an absolute blast this
1:43:52
Speaker 4: summertime when we have a North American World Cup going
1:43:56
Speaker 4: on in twenty twenty eight. Most of you are aware
1:43:59
Speaker 4: that the the Olympics are coming to LA again. The
1:44:02
Speaker 4: Summer Olympics probably another thing that all of us are
1:44:06
Speaker 4: excited about and won't be able to afford to go
1:44:08
Speaker 4: to because of how tickets are these days. But the
1:44:14
Speaker 4: LA Olympics is going to have several different host stadiums
1:44:19
Speaker 4: for soccer, and most of them are not going to
1:44:22
Speaker 4: be in LA. This was announced that the selected cities
1:44:26
Speaker 4: to host Olympics soccer, which again piggybacking off of this
1:44:30
Speaker 4: summer's World Cup a couple of years. Hence, in twenty
1:44:33
Speaker 4: twenty eight, you're gonna have Olympic soccer matches in New
1:44:37
Speaker 4: York at the new stadium that's being built right now
1:44:40
Speaker 4: for NYCFC, Columbus, Ohio, home of the Crew, Nashville, Saint Louis,
1:44:48
Speaker 4: San Diego, and San Jose. This is where the LA
1:44:53
Speaker 4: Olympic soccer venues are going to be correct.
1:44:56
Speaker 2: That's see. I know that the the thing about Olympics
1:45:01
Speaker 2: that maybe a lot of people don't realize is that, yes,
1:45:05
Speaker 2: they unlike World Cup, they don't name a host country,
1:45:08
Speaker 2: they name a host city, right, and we know from
1:45:12
Speaker 2: from the Winter Olympics being here, not everything happens in
1:45:15
Speaker 2: the host city, right, but it's typically around the host city.
1:45:20
Speaker 2: What it's in the United States, it's like usually in
1:45:23
Speaker 2: that state for the most part, like the farthest that
1:45:27
Speaker 2: events in the two Olympics were Summit County, or maybe
1:45:32
Speaker 2: there was some farther south.
1:45:34
Speaker 4: Did Brian Head get any I don't think they did.
1:45:37
Speaker 4: I think the two thousand and two Winter Olympics. I
1:45:39
Speaker 4: wasn't paying that close of attention to venue spots because
1:45:43
Speaker 4: I was a high schooler at that time. But I
1:45:46
Speaker 4: I mean Ogden had events.
1:45:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that might be farther than Park City. Up
1:45:51
Speaker 2: in Park City they had events.
1:45:53
Speaker 4: I don't know that down like Cedar, Saint George Way,
1:45:57
Speaker 4: anything happened down.
1:45:57
Speaker 2: There, and no, and I was in you know, growing
1:46:00
Speaker 2: up in Saint George at that time, there was We
1:46:02
Speaker 2: did have the Paralympic opening ceremonies all right in Saint George.
1:46:07
Speaker 2: But as far as like sports events happening, because for
1:46:11
Speaker 2: the Olympics was not was not anything that far south.
1:46:15
Speaker 2: So it's just Nashville, New York, and Columbus, Ohio. I
1:46:19
Speaker 2: mean Sandy Louis at least they have one in San Diego,
1:46:23
Speaker 2: Diego and San Jose makes sense because they're California. Yeah,
1:46:26
Speaker 2: San Jose is still pretty far away. Okay, Here's here's
1:46:30
Speaker 2: what I want to happen because I'm petty and weird.
1:46:33
Speaker 2: I want there to be some like, I don't know,
1:46:35
Speaker 2: some corrupt Olympic committee that somehow gets their soccer team
1:46:40
Speaker 2: in to the La Olympics and they're just like, yeah,
1:46:43
Speaker 2: we get to go to LA, and then your game
1:46:46
Speaker 2: is actually in Columbus or in Saint Louis.
1:46:50
Speaker 4: I like Nashville quite a bit. I like San Diego
1:46:53
Speaker 4: quite a bit. I like San Jose quite a bit. Uh,
1:46:56
Speaker 4: Saint Louis is a dump. Can't stand in Saint Louis. Columbus,
1:47:00
Speaker 4: I've never been like the arch nothing good comes from
1:47:03
Speaker 4: Columbus though there's nothing good sports wise in Columbus, Ohio
1:47:06
Speaker 4: at all.
1:47:10
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be a thing?
1:47:11
Speaker 4: Though, If you're an Olympic athlete, you're just like, aha, yes,
1:47:13
Speaker 4: we're for.
1:47:14
Speaker 2: I've never been to LA.
1:47:15
Speaker 4: I would love to see the Hollywood side from some
1:47:17
Speaker 4: like random, weird little republic that none of us have
1:47:20
Speaker 4: ever heard of. And they're just like, all right, your
1:47:21
Speaker 4: games at Columbus.
1:47:23
Speaker 2: You get to come to the United States, but your
1:47:24
Speaker 2: game's only in Columbus and then you gotta go home.
1:47:28
Speaker 2: They're like some of them might be like, well that
1:47:30
Speaker 2: must be a suburb of LA. It's one of those
1:47:34
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to see California. Whoa, baby, this is
1:47:37
Speaker 2: gonna be great. It's just like, oh, you're in Columbus.
1:47:41
Speaker 2: I've never heard of Columbus. California. Interesting. Oh it's humid, gross,
1:47:47
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, there's there's plenty of places
1:47:53
Speaker 2: in California they could be putting Olympic soccer, though you
1:47:56
Speaker 2: would think at least keep it in the same state,
1:48:00
Speaker 2: or or keep it in the in the West at least. Yeah, like,
1:48:06
Speaker 2: hello America, first field.
1:48:09
Speaker 4: If you did it all up and down the West coast,
1:48:11
Speaker 4: because like Portland's got a beautiful soccer field, right, Seattle's
1:48:14
Speaker 4: got a beautiful field, you could do the California venues.
1:48:18
Speaker 4: Vegas is not far Arizona's not far. We'll we'll, we're
1:48:23
Speaker 4: we're not even that far, like two hour flight.
1:48:25
Speaker 2: Well, what's the game, guys. Nope, you're going to New York.
1:48:28
Speaker 2: You're going to Queens for the LA Olympics. This is
1:48:32
Speaker 2: like this is this is Stanford and cow in the
1:48:36
Speaker 2: acc like in LA Olympics, New York City.
1:48:38
Speaker 4: Baby, imagine the Olympian from like Mauritius. Okay, comes and
1:48:45
Speaker 4: plays a game and goes home from the Olympics and
1:48:49
Speaker 4: it's just like, oh, my children, my son, my daughter,
1:48:53
Speaker 4: I brought you some souvenirs from my trip to America.
1:48:56
Speaker 4: It was amazing, and it's like Statue Liberty. Your kids
1:49:02
Speaker 4: are like, what, I didn't know that was in La.
1:49:05
Speaker 2: That was New York.
1:49:06
Speaker 5: Did you even go there?
1:49:08
Speaker 7: Yeah?
1:49:08
Speaker 2: No, the game was in New York.
1:49:09
Speaker 5: Dad, it was the La Olympics. Are you lying to us?
1:49:12
Speaker 2: It's like the it's like the Paris Olympics and the
1:49:15
Speaker 2: surfing was in uh was in Fiji's in Tahiti. A Tahiti. Yeah,
1:49:19
Speaker 2: it's like it's like that, except you'd probably rather be
1:49:23
Speaker 2: a tai than Paris.
1:49:25
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the that's the good version of this.
1:49:28
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like, hey, for the Paris Olympics, we're sending
1:49:32
Speaker 4: you to French Polynesia and you're gonna surf on one
1:49:34
Speaker 4: of the most insane waves that anyone has ever written.
1:49:37
Speaker 2: Are you cool with that? All the surfers are like, yeah,
1:49:40
Speaker 2: that's better. Yeah, we don't want to surf in the
1:49:43
Speaker 2: Mediterranean anyway. We got to take a break. We're gonna
1:49:48
Speaker 2: do a little between the pipes.
1:49:50
Speaker 4: Adrian Denny is here in studio with us to talk
1:49:52
Speaker 4: about this Utah Mammoth team. They're flirting with the bubble.
1:49:57
Speaker 4: How do we get them up and above that line. Well,
1:50:00
Speaker 4: we'll talk about it next.
1:50:01
Speaker 2: It's The Shan O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred ninetyem.
1:50:19
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1:50:26
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1:50:29
Speaker 2: We were just talking about the Summer Olympics soccer venues
1:50:33
Speaker 2: that are only relevant two years from now. We got
1:50:36
Speaker 2: the Winter Olympics coming like this week. People are Nordic
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Speaker 2: skiing experts for The Sean O'Connell Show, and Utah Mammoth
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Speaker 2: and whatever the cool phrase is for Nordic skiing out
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Speaker 2: on the tracks of snow.
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: Hey, how are you?
1:51:05
Speaker 2: What's up man?
1:51:06
Speaker 11: I don't want to step on anybody's toes, but I
1:51:10
Speaker 11: did hear that curling has already started in the Olympics
1:51:13
Speaker 11: and it's underway right now. But cross country skiing Sunday
1:51:19
Speaker 11: before the Super Bowl. We'll get in some cross country skiing.
1:51:22
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and you know what, maybe gonna skip the Super
1:51:25
Speaker 4: Bowl just to watch the cross country skiing. That's how
1:51:28
Speaker 4: into it we are.
1:51:29
Speaker 11: I might because I've got I've got to bring you
1:51:32
Speaker 11: a full report. I've got to cover this like like
1:51:35
Speaker 11: we cover everything else. I take my beat seriously.
1:51:38
Speaker 5: All right.
1:51:39
Speaker 2: So you tell Mammoth and Action again tonight at the
1:51:43
Speaker 2: Delta Center and they're taking on the Detroit Red Wings
1:51:45
Speaker 2: team after the demolition of a team that you wanted
1:51:49
Speaker 2: to see them demolish.
1:51:50
Speaker 6: Right.
1:51:50
Speaker 5: We talked about this with the Vancouver Canucks being one
1:51:53
Speaker 5: of those.
1:51:53
Speaker 4: Squads where if you're a good team, what do you
1:51:56
Speaker 4: do with bad teams? You smash them, and you smash
1:52:00
Speaker 4: Usham Schmaltsey with a hat trick on the way, everybody
1:52:03
Speaker 4: gets a discount on the headwear at the team store
1:52:05
Speaker 4: after that. Gotta be feeling good heading into this game.
1:52:09
Speaker 4: But before we get to the Red Wings, let's talk
1:52:11
Speaker 4: about the things you liked best about that game against
1:52:14
Speaker 4: the Canucks.
1:52:15
Speaker 11: Yeah, I like the final score. It's a game that
1:52:18
Speaker 11: I called an implied win for Utah.
1:52:22
Speaker 4: I actually really just like that principle, that phrase in
1:52:25
Speaker 4: general and implied win.
1:52:27
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm gonna start using that. You can, Yeah, I'd
1:52:30
Speaker 11: love you too. We've got scheduled wins, scheduled losses, implied wins,
1:52:36
Speaker 11: implied losses is we use our Mammoth Daily Dictionary and
1:52:41
Speaker 11: those are those are some of our big terms.
1:52:44
Speaker 2: But that was an implied win.
1:52:46
Speaker 11: Sean, you had a Monday night home game, two games
1:52:50
Speaker 11: left before the break. You'd lost to in a row,
1:52:53
Speaker 11: two one goal games to two top five NHL teams,
1:52:56
Speaker 11: worst team coming in Vancouver Canucks, two wins during the
1:53:00
Speaker 11: higher month of January, and you just needed to to
1:53:06
Speaker 11: do that. And it was a little surprised. And this
1:53:10
Speaker 11: just shows that, you know, you're a last place team
1:53:13
Speaker 11: in the NHL and you're just kind of getting through it.
1:53:16
Speaker 11: Vancouver had started one of their ahl goalies in their
1:53:20
Speaker 11: previous two games, Nikita Tolapilo, and they shut out the
1:53:25
Speaker 11: Ducks to nothing and they lost in a shootout Toronto.
1:53:27
Speaker 11: So they came into that game on Monday with you know,
1:53:31
Speaker 11: a one to oh to one record in their last
1:53:33
Speaker 11: two three of a possible four points and then they
1:53:35
Speaker 11: go with Kevin Lankin and whose numbers are just atrocious,
1:53:39
Speaker 11: and thought, I thought, why what are you doing? And
1:53:44
Speaker 11: and the Mammoth were able to take advantage of it
1:53:47
Speaker 11: and just pop in six goals on twenty shots and
1:53:53
Speaker 11: dominate the game. But I really liked how they finished
1:53:57
Speaker 11: the game, because you're five to one on the second
1:54:00
Speaker 11: and you're up six to two and the third.
1:54:01
Speaker 2: All right, let's let's get through this, right.
1:54:04
Speaker 11: We keep to your habits, keep to your identity and
1:54:09
Speaker 11: the way that you want to play, even though this
1:54:12
Speaker 11: is a pond hockey game against an NHL team that
1:54:17
Speaker 11: is the worst the league has to offer right now.
1:54:20
Speaker 11: And I thought the Mammoth did a good job of
1:54:22
Speaker 11: just staying focused, staying organized after the game. It wasn't
1:54:27
Speaker 11: like they'd won the Stanley Cup. It's like we checked
1:54:30
Speaker 11: a box here. We won a game that we knew
1:54:32
Speaker 11: we needed to win like this. And now one big
1:54:34
Speaker 11: one with with Detroit, who while Utah was taking care
1:54:38
Speaker 11: of Vancouver, was in Denver and they shut out the
1:54:40
Speaker 11: Abs by account of two to nothing. Plus Utah beat
1:54:44
Speaker 11: them in Detroit, so you know that they're gonna remember
1:54:48
Speaker 11: that and come into tonight and want to finish off
1:54:50
Speaker 11: going into break strong as well.
1:54:52
Speaker 2: Well. Finishing a game like that strong particularly important given
1:54:57
Speaker 2: that it came a couple contests after what happened. Again,
1:55:00
Speaker 2: it's Carolina where you should have won that game, right.
1:55:03
Speaker 2: You had the lead in that game. Now it wasn't
1:55:06
Speaker 2: five to two or six two, but you allowed Carolina
1:55:09
Speaker 2: to come back a couple of goals and surge late
1:55:12
Speaker 2: in it like a much more meaningful contest in my opinion,
1:55:16
Speaker 2: because of like you eloquently stated the status of the
1:55:19
Speaker 2: Canucks right now, but you don't want to see a
1:55:23
Speaker 2: mistake like that potentially even repeated, especially against a bad team.
1:55:27
Speaker 2: And keeping the foot on the gas pedal was encouraging
1:55:30
Speaker 2: to see.
1:55:30
Speaker 11: And Utah had to kill a penalty in the third
1:55:33
Speaker 11: period when it was five two, and if it becomes
1:55:35
Speaker 11: five to three, who knows where we are right We're
1:55:38
Speaker 11: back in that same spot as as Carolina. But I
1:55:41
Speaker 11: was talking to Nah Schmidt this morning after morning skate
1:55:44
Speaker 11: and he said, it's just the killer mentality, just just
1:55:48
Speaker 11: keeping the pedal to the metal. And we also heard
1:55:51
Speaker 11: from head coach Andre Turney as he was talking to
1:55:55
Speaker 11: the broadcast team as we meet with Bear every every
1:55:58
Speaker 11: time we're together in the South on practice and training facility,
1:56:01
Speaker 11: and he said, you know what, we got up five
1:56:04
Speaker 11: to one, we got up six to two, and we
1:56:06
Speaker 11: were kind of just okay. It wasn't great. We did
1:56:10
Speaker 11: what we needed to do and then we were just
1:56:11
Speaker 11: kind of okay. But it's it's not easy to play
1:56:15
Speaker 11: against a team like that and you say, ah, we're
1:56:18
Speaker 11: shreking the league, but you just don't know what you're
1:56:19
Speaker 11: going to get from shift to shift, like who's engaged,
1:56:22
Speaker 11: who's going to be playing what, Like, what are they
1:56:27
Speaker 11: going to do beyond a structure of a system that
1:56:31
Speaker 11: gets you off your a game because you're you're chasing.
1:56:34
Speaker 11: So I thought in the first period it was kind
1:56:35
Speaker 11: of helter skelter. I thought the Mamma saw a lot
1:56:38
Speaker 11: of opportunity and you know, like, oh, this is going
1:56:41
Speaker 11: to be everybody gets a gold Knight, and there was
1:56:42
Speaker 11: a lot of pace. And then in the second period
1:56:46
Speaker 11: kind of got back to that structure and then the
1:56:47
Speaker 11: third period had a way to push through.
1:56:50
Speaker 2: It was it perfect, no, but.
1:56:52
Speaker 11: They were his business like because I think they could
1:56:54
Speaker 11: have been against the Canucks well.
1:56:59
Speaker 4: Let's talk about tonight's The Red Wings are coming off
1:57:02
Speaker 4: what you could make a case is the best regular
1:57:04
Speaker 4: season win of their schedule so far on the road
1:57:08
Speaker 4: against the Colorado Avalanche, who, of course right now the
1:57:11
Speaker 4: best team in the league I think in principle and
1:57:14
Speaker 4: by record, and not only a win, but a shutout
1:57:18
Speaker 4: of the Avalanche. Strange quirk of scheduling, by the way
1:57:22
Speaker 4: at home against the Avalanche, then on the road against
1:57:24
Speaker 4: the Avalanche on their way here to Utah.
1:57:26
Speaker 11: Yeah, they lost five nothing to the Avs on Saturday,
1:57:29
Speaker 11: went into Denver, scored a goal in the first minute,
1:57:32
Speaker 11: came on an odd man rush, and pretty much locked
1:57:36
Speaker 11: it down from there. They completely shut down. Nathan McKinnon,
1:57:38
Speaker 11: Marty Nachs didn't play in the game for Colorado, and
1:57:41
Speaker 11: then scored an empty netter, but held the Avs to
1:57:44
Speaker 11: twenty one shots. John Gibson, who's been really good, was
1:57:48
Speaker 11: acquired from Anaheim, played all those years with the Ducks
1:57:51
Speaker 11: in between the pipes. He's been kind of up and
1:57:54
Speaker 11: down this year, as he usually is, but he's played
1:57:57
Speaker 11: really well lately and has been and a big part
1:58:00
Speaker 11: of Detroit's success. So, Sean, you saw the Mammoth go
1:58:05
Speaker 11: into Denver right before Christmas, lose a game won, nothing
1:58:10
Speaker 11: could have gone either way. Detroit goes in wins a
1:58:12
Speaker 11: game two nothing with an empty net goal. So I think,
1:58:15
Speaker 11: I think that's a fun comparison that you can make.
1:58:18
Speaker 11: And you know how things can flip in the NHL.
1:58:22
Speaker 11: Mammoth beat them for one there in December, and now
1:58:25
Speaker 11: they're they're coming here and you know what you talk about,
1:58:30
Speaker 11: strange quirks of scheduling. Eleventh. This is the twelfth twelfth
1:58:36
Speaker 11: time this year a team plays Utah and Colorado on
1:58:41
Speaker 11: the same sequence in Salt Lake and Denver or vice versa.
1:58:46
Speaker 11: Sean nobody has swept Utah and Colorado yet this year
1:58:51
Speaker 11: in eleven occasions, so this will be the twelfth time,
1:58:56
Speaker 11: and Detroit's going to try and be the first team
1:58:58
Speaker 11: to win both games in the same sequence back to back.
1:59:04
Speaker 2: Salt Lake and Colorado.
1:59:05
Speaker 11: Boston, Tampa Bay, Buffalo, Islanders, Rangers, Florida, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Columbus,
1:59:11
Speaker 11: Toronto and Philly are the teams who have had the
1:59:14
Speaker 11: Aves and Mammoth on the road this year in two
1:59:16
Speaker 11: straight games, and nobody has gone two and zero. And
1:59:20
Speaker 11: I was going to drop that today on the show
1:59:23
Speaker 11: Sean because that was my treadmill project this morning, and
1:59:28
Speaker 11: I thought I gotta make good use to this.
1:59:29
Speaker 4: So here we go the high altitude stretch for these
1:59:34
Speaker 4: NHL teams.
1:59:35
Speaker 11: They've not won both games, yep. Interesting and it's it's
1:59:41
Speaker 11: rigorous like two good teams, two teams that kind of
1:59:46
Speaker 11: take it out at you, Right you win one or
1:59:50
Speaker 11: are you gonna have left in the tank? You play
1:59:53
Speaker 11: the Avs. Let's say you lose. There, you come into
1:59:57
Speaker 11: Utah having just played in a high intensity, competitive game
2:00:01
Speaker 11: against a good team. You're gonna be on your a game, right,
2:00:06
Speaker 11: You're gonna be at that level coming into this game.
2:00:10
Speaker 11: Whereas for Utah, the challenge today is going from Vancouver
2:00:16
Speaker 11: to a team that just played the Avs and is
2:00:19
Speaker 11: going to have that competitive juice going having played a
2:00:23
Speaker 11: high intense hockey game forty eight hours ago, while Utah
2:00:27
Speaker 11: was just trying to keep to their habits and feel
2:00:32
Speaker 11: good about a game against the worst team in the league.
2:00:35
Speaker 2: And again it's not easy.
2:00:37
Speaker 11: Rarely do you, I think, feel great about beating a
2:00:42
Speaker 11: team like that because you're just not on your game
2:00:44
Speaker 11: because they're so.
2:00:45
Speaker 4: Bad Schmaltz with the hat trick, and I just want
2:00:49
Speaker 4: to make sure we take every opportunity to talk about
2:00:52
Speaker 4: the year that he is having and in important stretches
2:00:55
Speaker 4: for this team, he has really been awesome. Hopefully that
2:00:58
Speaker 4: was the beginning of what will be eight stretch and
2:01:00
Speaker 4: important stretch for Mammoth Hockey because, as I mentioned before
2:01:05
Speaker 4: the break there, they're kind of they're flirting with this
2:01:07
Speaker 4: bubble area a little bit too much for people to
2:01:10
Speaker 4: be truly comfortable. We saw what happened last year where
2:01:13
Speaker 4: Saint Louis went on that crazy run. Hopefully it'll be
2:01:16
Speaker 4: the Mammoth they go on a run like that, But
2:01:18
Speaker 4: if they do, it'll be partially on the efforts of
2:01:22
Speaker 4: Nick Schmaltz, who's just been awesome in this twenty twenty
2:01:26
Speaker 4: five twenty twenty sixth season. Three goals the other.
2:01:29
Speaker 11: Night fourteen and one is the record this year for
2:01:34
Speaker 11: Utah when he scores a goal. So I'm gonna do
2:01:37
Speaker 11: some math on the air here when he doesn't score
2:01:40
Speaker 11: a goal fifteen twenty two and four. Wow, So there's
2:01:45
Speaker 11: your Nick Smaltz value.
2:01:47
Speaker 2: That's a that's a significant swing. The other.
2:01:53
Speaker 11: Note there, because you when your stars are your stars.
2:01:56
Speaker 11: You win, right, peterka Gone, they're Schmaltz. If the three
2:02:01
Speaker 11: of those guys don't score in a single game, one
2:02:04
Speaker 11: win this year.
2:02:06
Speaker 2: So so, by the way, something that undoubtedly other.
2:02:12
Speaker 5: Teams are paying attention to.
2:02:15
Speaker 2: If we could take away that trio of scorers, this
2:02:18
Speaker 2: team does not overcome that difficulty, but once so far
2:02:22
Speaker 2: this year. So massive importance on those three players.
2:02:25
Speaker 11: So the challenge for the opposition. Those guys are now
2:02:29
Speaker 11: on three different lines, and you've seen JJ pit Turk
2:02:34
Speaker 11: and Kyler Yamamoto become kind of a kind of a
2:02:37
Speaker 11: duo with Barrett Hayton and the last couple games. Great
2:02:41
Speaker 11: to get Schmaltz going because him and Keller and Kraus
2:02:44
Speaker 11: had been quiet for a rare time really, you know,
2:02:48
Speaker 11: the first time since they've been together. Krause ended a
2:02:53
Speaker 11: four game scoreless drought on Monday. Keller had a couple
2:02:57
Speaker 11: of assists. So yeah, if those three can can have
2:03:01
Speaker 11: another big game tonight against Detroit, that's that's gonna be big.
2:03:06
Speaker 11: Gunther hasn't scored in two games since coming back from
2:03:09
Speaker 11: missing two games, So that's a guy that you feel
2:03:14
Speaker 11: like anytime he's on the ice, he can find a
2:03:18
Speaker 11: way to manufacture a goal or two.
2:03:23
Speaker 2: I know we've talked about it already, but now that
2:03:25
Speaker 2: it's a reality, the Olympic break is coming and we're
2:03:29
Speaker 2: gonna see Clayton Keller for skating, skating for teams. Is
2:03:31
Speaker 2: it five mammoth total? The total four total, four different
2:03:35
Speaker 2: countries or total for four different countries for the Utah mammoth.
2:03:40
Speaker 2: And you know the rest of these guys, I assume
2:03:42
Speaker 2: are gonna be watching a lot of Olympic hockey, but
2:03:44
Speaker 2: hopefully staying in reasonable shape and getting right getting that rest.
2:03:48
Speaker 2: It effectively serves as kind of an all star break
2:03:51
Speaker 2: for this Olympic cycle.
2:03:53
Speaker 5: Not for your captain though.
2:03:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:03:55
Speaker 11: And and head coach Andre Turney wanted nothing to do
2:03:59
Speaker 11: with the top today. He said, it's all about Detroit.
2:04:05
Speaker 11: We've got one game left then we can talk about it.
2:04:08
Speaker 11: We've talked about it for the last month and a half.
2:04:12
Speaker 11: Tonight we're talking about Detroit, Sean. I will not do
2:04:17
Speaker 11: that to you. I how coaches go one game at
2:04:22
Speaker 11: a time. We don't have to. I would not do
2:04:24
Speaker 11: that to Valley Plumbing and Aladdin Industries. I have picked
2:04:31
Speaker 11: Keller to have a big, big game tonight. We do
2:04:35
Speaker 11: lock of the Night on our radio and TV broadcast
2:04:38
Speaker 11: on Hockey Night in Utah, and tonight's lock of the
2:04:41
Speaker 11: night is who is going to get the big hat
2:04:44
Speaker 11: in the locker room after the game. And I took
2:04:47
Speaker 11: Keller because I think in front of the fans at
2:04:51
Speaker 11: the Delta Center, last game for three weeks before he
2:04:54
Speaker 11: goes to the Olympics, he's been a little quiet. I
2:04:58
Speaker 11: think the captain is in for a big game for
2:05:01
Speaker 11: the Mammoth Veggie, heading off his last game at home.
2:05:06
Speaker 8: So.
2:05:08
Speaker 11: He'll be for for team check you Jj Petka for
2:05:11
Speaker 11: for team Germany. I think I think we'll see our
2:05:13
Speaker 11: Olympians have a big game tonight and Bear we'll want
2:05:17
Speaker 11: to talk about it after the game.
2:05:19
Speaker 4: Speaking of the Olympics, a couple of NHL guys have
2:05:22
Speaker 4: been dubbed the flag bearers, named flag bears for their country.
2:05:25
Speaker 4: We saw this Leon dry Sidle got voted in to
2:05:28
Speaker 4: help the Parade of Nations.
2:05:31
Speaker 5: He's carrying one of the flag bears for Germany.
2:05:33
Speaker 2: Right yep.
2:05:34
Speaker 5: And then is it Pasternak believe believe so for Check.
2:05:37
Speaker 2: Yet Check Yah? Yeah? Interesting, that's what an honor, what
2:05:41
Speaker 2: a cool thing for these guys.
2:05:42
Speaker 11: Yeah, JJ will be on Team Germany with uh Dry Siddle.
2:05:47
Speaker 11: It'll be fun to see those guys on on the
2:05:49
Speaker 11: same team. They've never never really played before. Here's here's
2:05:53
Speaker 11: a nugget for you. Oh see talking about Paka and
2:05:59
Speaker 11: Dry Siddle. Pa Turca on Saturday night became the fifth
2:06:03
Speaker 11: fastest German in the NHL to get to one hundred assists.
2:06:07
Speaker 11: And you know the company you have up there with
2:06:11
Speaker 11: Leon Drysidel setting the standard. So yeah, excited to watch
2:06:18
Speaker 11: Team Germany. My nephew, his favorite players, JJ Patterka, So
2:06:22
Speaker 11: we will not be missing a German game with Dry Sidle.
2:06:26
Speaker 2: And if you're listening, by the way, and you're going like, well,
2:06:29
Speaker 2: you're telling me that Canada is not having any hockey players.
2:06:32
Speaker 2: Canada's flag bears are skiers Michael Kingsbury and Mary L. Thompson,
2:06:40
Speaker 2: who are obviously very famous, and we're big fans.
2:06:43
Speaker 5: Of both of those people.
2:06:45
Speaker 2: Yes, my goodness, way more famous than Connor McDavid or
2:06:49
Speaker 2: any of the assorted all star caliber NHL players that
2:06:53
Speaker 2: could have been named flag bear. Is Canada getting bored
2:06:57
Speaker 2: of hockey? Is that what we're finding out with those
2:07:00
Speaker 2: that is a shift in mindset.
2:07:05
Speaker 4: Team USA's flag bears are a speed skater, Aaron Jackson,
2:07:10
Speaker 4: and Bob's letter Frank del Duca, which is a phenomenal name.
2:07:16
Speaker 4: We'll have to talk more about him with Jeff Schwartz,
2:07:18
Speaker 4: who is our Bob sledding insider and a consultant here
2:07:24
Speaker 4: for this Olympic cycle in twenty twenty six. So focusing
2:07:30
Speaker 4: back in on what we should be talking about here
2:07:32
Speaker 4: cross country skiing.
2:07:34
Speaker 5: Well, there is that, but.
2:07:39
Speaker 4: Red wings at home and then you know, an Olympic
2:07:42
Speaker 4: break and then you've got kind of a home stretch
2:07:47
Speaker 4: that you need to see this Utah Mammoth team.
2:07:51
Speaker 2: Get. For me, at least, you need to see this
2:07:53
Speaker 2: Utah Mamma team get away from the flirtation with mediocrity
2:07:57
Speaker 2: in the standings. There are too many teams Nashville, Seattle, Anaheim.
2:08:06
Speaker 2: You're you're crowded in that spot where a game or
2:08:09
Speaker 2: two is going to potentially be the swing on that bubble.
2:08:13
Speaker 5: How do they get off of it?
2:08:14
Speaker 11: Plus with La literally in the last fifteen minutes reportedly
2:08:19
Speaker 11: acquiring our Temmi Panarin right in that mix from the
2:08:23
Speaker 11: from the New York Rangers. Well, if you if you
2:08:26
Speaker 11: look at the schedule, you know, I'm big on schedules
2:08:28
Speaker 11: and scheduling wins and.
2:08:30
Speaker 2: All that kind of and implied wins. Implied wins.
2:08:32
Speaker 11: Yes, So the Mammoth coming out of the Olympic break
2:08:37
Speaker 11: will have twenty five games, and they will have fourteen
2:08:44
Speaker 11: of those games being played at the Delta Center, where
2:08:48
Speaker 11: there're seven to one and one in twenty twenty six
2:08:50
Speaker 11: and sixteen to eight and two overall. So that'll be,
2:08:55
Speaker 11: that'll be big coming out of the Olympic break with
2:08:58
Speaker 11: three straight at home. I liked how we opened out
2:09:01
Speaker 11: of the Four Nations break last year with one game
2:09:03
Speaker 11: at LA because it's it's just it's not an easy
2:09:07
Speaker 11: game to play coming out of Christmas, first game of
2:09:09
Speaker 11: the year, blah blah blah. But you've got the Colorado
2:09:12
Speaker 11: by Avalanche coming right out of the Olympic break three
2:09:15
Speaker 11: weeks from Tonight's not to wish away the Olympic break,
2:09:18
Speaker 11: but that'll be that'll be huge. And then you have
2:09:20
Speaker 11: Minnesota after that, and then you have Chicago is the
2:09:25
Speaker 11: third game to wrap up this stretch of six straight games,
2:09:28
Speaker 11: and then you're then you're on the road in March
2:09:30
Speaker 11: for the first time since since last week, so I
2:09:33
Speaker 11: think I think the home schedule will play play into that.
2:09:39
Speaker 11: Logan Cooley slated to be back coming back from the
2:09:44
Speaker 11: Olympic break, says general manager Bill Armstrong. Fall All continues
2:09:48
Speaker 11: to go smooth there, which we have seen Logan practicing
2:09:52
Speaker 11: this week again. Alexander Kerfoot also was out there on
2:09:56
Speaker 11: the ice. So hopefully those guys when we come back
2:09:58
Speaker 11: and in three weeks are ready to go.
2:10:02
Speaker 5: I just want to I just want to do this
2:10:04
Speaker 5: as apropos of nothing.
2:10:06
Speaker 4: And I always appreciate Adrian with between the pipes brought
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Speaker 4: to you by a Latin industry's your Utah Vlux dealer
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Speaker 4: and by Valley Plumbing, Heating and Air. So we were
2:10:15
Speaker 4: talking about the high altitude swing for these NHL teams,
2:10:18
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, what are the other high
2:10:19
Speaker 4: altitude cities in the NHL. Okay, First of all, a
2:10:24
Speaker 4: caution to all you people that are relying on AI.
2:10:27
Speaker 4: The AI answer for the highest altitude city in the NHL,
2:10:31
Speaker 4: says Salt Lake City is the highest altitude city in
2:10:35
Speaker 4: the NHL, located at forty two twenty six. Other high
2:10:40
Speaker 4: altitude teams include Colorado Avalanche at five and eighty feet.
2:10:45
Speaker 4: AI is telling you in the same paragraph, Salt Lake
2:10:49
Speaker 4: City is the highest. Also Denver is higher, Okay, so
2:10:52
Speaker 4: be careful with your AI people, all right. Because I
2:10:55
Speaker 4: knew Denver was higher than Salt Lake City, I wanted
2:10:57
Speaker 4: to see the other high altitude cities. Do you know
2:11:00
Speaker 4: what the other higher altitude cities are in the NHL.
2:11:03
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say Calgary. Yes, Calgary's one three on the list.
2:11:09
Speaker 11: Gosh, that is a good one. Gosh, Edmonton's more on
2:11:19
Speaker 11: the planes and the prairie. Vancouver's on the ocean.
2:11:23
Speaker 2: I guess.
2:11:24
Speaker 11: So see, I'm gonna take Edmonton, and I don't see
2:11:29
Speaker 11: any anything else in the NHL that doesn't look like
2:11:33
Speaker 11: sea level do five hundred feet?
2:11:35
Speaker 5: That's right.
2:11:37
Speaker 4: It is a low man's game the NHL. They don't
2:11:40
Speaker 4: deal with altitude. Baby, That's why Adrian Denny gives you
2:11:43
Speaker 4: that that insight. Oh, I can't beat Colorado and you
2:11:46
Speaker 4: can't beat Utah back to back because at that point
2:11:49
Speaker 4: your body's just breaking down. All right, you got the bends. Basically,
2:11:53
Speaker 4: you're not able to handle the altitude change.
2:11:56
Speaker 2: Did I get it right? You got it right? Holy smokes, did.
2:12:00
Speaker 5: You out Lake Calgary, Edmonton.
2:12:02
Speaker 2: Did you like that?
2:12:03
Speaker 11: As an attorney, like I gave you forty five minutes
2:12:06
Speaker 11: on my answer, knowing that I am not arguing a
2:12:09
Speaker 11: good case here, but I'm going to do my best.
2:12:12
Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with a little filibustering in order to
2:12:16
Speaker 4: flesh out your answer or google as I often do. Oh,
2:12:19
Speaker 4: that's a really interesting question there, James. And of course
2:12:22
Speaker 4: I know this right off the top of my head.
2:12:24
Speaker 4: Calgary is the third highest. That's how I handle it.
2:12:27
Speaker 4: That's how you should handle it as well. Fake it, team,
2:12:29
Speaker 4: make it people, It's it. Adrian, you're the man. I
2:12:31
Speaker 4: always appreciate your time.
2:12:32
Speaker 2: Thank you.
2:12:32
Speaker 11: Yeah, thanks Sean, and looking forward to the Olympics hockey
2:12:36
Speaker 11: and of course cross country skiing, which I will have
2:12:39
Speaker 11: covered for you right here on the Seawan O'Connell Show.
2:12:42
Speaker 4: The number one voice in Olympic cross country skiing here
2:12:45
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2:12:49
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2:13:24
Speaker 4: We'll have a trivia question for you right now, our
2:13:30
Speaker 4: first Olympic updates. James Peterson is our curling experts, which man,
2:13:35
Speaker 4: Jeff Schwartz was a little upset that you had already
2:13:38
Speaker 4: stolen that one.
2:13:39
Speaker 5: He was, but he Jeff is our Bob sled expert.
2:13:42
Speaker 2: It's a good thing someone as large as Jeff doesn't
2:13:45
Speaker 2: live anywhere near us, because I've probably would have been like, okay, fine, Jeff,
2:13:50
Speaker 2: you can have it. By the way, Jeff texted me
2:13:53
Speaker 2: this morning because remember when we were talking to him
2:13:55
Speaker 2: on the on the show yesterday, he was like, I'm
2:13:57
Speaker 2: going down to Super Bowl Week.
2:13:59
Speaker 4: I gotta go all these parties and stuff. Terrible these
2:14:02
Speaker 4: by the way, these parties. I know how it is
2:14:04
Speaker 4: for him, because you know, I've done radio of some
2:14:08
Speaker 4: kind with him for like nine years now, and every
2:14:12
Speaker 4: year he goes and every year he shakes hands and
2:14:14
Speaker 4: kisses babies and he hates it every time. These are
2:14:17
Speaker 4: the parties that are like corporate events run by television
2:14:21
Speaker 4: networks or they're run by major sponsors, where it's like
2:14:24
Speaker 4: unlimited amazing, all you can eat food and all of
2:14:28
Speaker 4: your favorite athletes are there.
2:14:30
Speaker 2: So and probably a fair amount of your favorite select Yeah,
2:14:33
Speaker 2: probably celebrity.
2:14:34
Speaker 4: So you or I would love to be at these
2:14:36
Speaker 4: types of things. And Jeff texted me this morning He's
2:14:38
Speaker 4: just like, I'm already getting anxiety over having to go
2:14:41
Speaker 4: socialize with people.
2:14:43
Speaker 2: He's just he's Jeff's a bit of a anti social
2:14:49
Speaker 2: bit of it introverts.
2:14:50
Speaker 4: Yes, And I, because I'm an understanding, compassionate friend, I said,
2:14:57
Speaker 4: you need to just be normal.
2:14:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, just be normal.
2:15:00
Speaker 5: Just be normal. Stop complaining about that.
2:15:02
Speaker 2: Just be normal. Anyway.
2:15:03
Speaker 4: Our first Olympic update from our curling expert, thoughts and
2:15:07
Speaker 4: prayers to Jeff. By the way James Peterson has it,
2:15:10
Speaker 4: by the way, we need to find some cheesy music
2:15:13
Speaker 4: for this early grievance against Olympic events that happened before
2:15:16
Speaker 4: the opening ceremonies.
2:15:18
Speaker 2: I know you're talking about. I was prepared all day.
2:15:21
Speaker 5: James was at two am.
2:15:24
Speaker 2: Yes, watched them live, not even looking for the miracle
2:15:27
Speaker 2: style replay. Yeah, all right.
2:15:29
Speaker 4: So the Milano Cortina Olympic Games, the Quartina Olympic Curling
2:15:36
Speaker 4: Stadium in Cortilla, dumb pay soel.
2:15:39
Speaker 2: Them dumb petzozo alright, man, I looked up the pronunciation
2:15:44
Speaker 2: and now I forgot it. You do have to do that,
2:15:46
Speaker 2: dumb Petso it's like pet, it's dumb petso something like that. Yeah,
2:15:51
Speaker 2: and the Cortina dumpetso it's a it's a city, a
2:15:56
Speaker 2: town in Italy.
2:15:57
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you for clarifying.
2:16:00
Speaker 2: There you go. And Courtina Olympic Curling Stadium an incredible
2:16:05
Speaker 2: name of a venue that they just built, no doubt
2:16:09
Speaker 2: for for Olympic curling. And yeah, an exciting day in Courtina,
2:16:14
Speaker 2: don pezzo. Uh great Britain tops Norway eight to six,
2:16:19
Speaker 2: which I understand, which as I've learned here is I've
2:16:22
Speaker 2: really tried to bone up on my curling here. That's
2:16:25
Speaker 2: a not It's not as close as a two point win.
2:16:30
Speaker 2: You you would think a two point win is it's
2:16:33
Speaker 2: they the England or Norway didn't even have to throw
2:16:37
Speaker 2: their last Stone to clinch the win. There they so
2:16:41
Speaker 2: they they got They got it eight to six fairly convincingly.
2:16:47
Speaker 2: Then we had a thrilling extra ender. That's what we
2:16:50
Speaker 2: call these. Okay, so curling has ends ends, John, They're
2:16:53
Speaker 2: like innings in baseball. Each each team goes, each person,
2:16:58
Speaker 2: whether mixed doubles is a team or individual whatever. And
2:17:04
Speaker 2: this there's eight ends in mixed doubles. They had to
2:17:07
Speaker 2: go to a ninth end. Get excited. But Switzerland comes
2:17:11
Speaker 2: out on top over Estonia nine to seven. So they
2:17:14
Speaker 2: kind of dominated in that night. Historic historic rivalry. Switzerland
2:17:17
Speaker 2: and Estonia love to see it. Yes, West Western Europe
2:17:21
Speaker 2: versus Eastern Europe. A lot of hate there Canada over
2:17:24
Speaker 2: the Czech Republic and then they just blew them out,
2:17:27
Speaker 2: embarrassed them ten to five.
2:17:28
Speaker 5: Are we still are we still using Czech Republic?
2:17:31
Speaker 2: Is it Czechoslovakia? Are we supposed to say? Chechia?
2:17:33
Speaker 1: Now?
2:17:34
Speaker 2: What are we supposed to check?
2:17:35
Speaker 1: Ya?
2:17:35
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have
2:17:37
Speaker 2: to look it up. I thought I was Czech Republic.
2:17:39
Speaker 5: You're gonna have to have to checkeck.
2:17:41
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to check got it Zik, I'm gonna
2:17:44
Speaker 2: have to say, okay, Sweden over South Korea ten to three,
2:17:48
Speaker 2: even more of a dominant win for Sweden and Canada
2:17:52
Speaker 2: over over Chechia, Turkey, a whatever we're calling it now.
2:17:56
Speaker 2: And then Team USA is making their mixed doubles debut
2:17:59
Speaker 2: in it's a round robin tournament. That's the format here
2:18:03
Speaker 2: for mixed doubles. Two AM versus Norway on Peacock. I
2:18:08
Speaker 2: hope all of you will be up with me watching
2:18:10
Speaker 2: that live, because I absolutely will be watching these live.
2:18:13
Speaker 5: Well I know you will.
2:18:14
Speaker 4: And by the way, if you are of Norwegian descent,
2:18:17
Speaker 4: I need you red white and blue, okay, star spangled banner,
2:18:21
Speaker 4: I need you to be all on board with Team
2:18:24
Speaker 4: US even against that.
2:18:27
Speaker 5: I mean, this is like you in the Mighty Ducks.
2:18:30
Speaker 2: You could have rooted for Norway against Great Britain and
2:18:34
Speaker 2: that tough loss for Norway today, But when they're playing
2:18:40
Speaker 2: your Team USA, you got to disown Norway.
2:18:43
Speaker 6: No.
2:18:44
Speaker 2: I actually never liked them good. I didn't like any
2:18:47
Speaker 2: of my ancestors that are from there. Also.
2:18:50
Speaker 4: James, I'm gonna just I hate to call you out,
2:18:53
Speaker 4: but I'm embarrassed that you didn't know that The Quartina
2:18:55
Speaker 4: Olympic Curling Stadium was actually built in nineteen fifty six
2:18:59
Speaker 4: for those of Olympics.
2:19:00
Speaker 2: Okay, so they they had a nice renovation for this
2:19:04
Speaker 2: one because they probably didn't use it much.
2:19:06
Speaker 4: Modern accessibility upgrades and seating capacity of thirty five hundred people,
2:19:12
Speaker 4: no doubt.
2:19:13
Speaker 2: A giant jumbo tron. Nope, we don't do jumbo trons
2:19:19
Speaker 2: in Italia. They just do a tron. A tron.
2:19:24
Speaker 5: Is shown, it's only a tron and no a jumbo tron.
2:19:27
Speaker 2: Only at tron you don't need to be Why everything
2:19:29
Speaker 2: needs to be jumbo act you saw American you wanted
2:19:32
Speaker 2: to be. It does feel like a direct shot at
2:19:35
Speaker 2: the United States of America. Got to be big and jumbo.
2:19:39
Speaker 5: It's like, no, what do a regular tron?
2:19:42
Speaker 4: They're just nore No more jumbo anything you can't supersize
2:19:47
Speaker 4: at the McDonald's right now in Italy, it's all this
2:19:51
Speaker 4: is all anti American rhetoric. They're they're making things smaller
2:19:55
Speaker 4: because they don't like our excessive everything American excess.
2:20:02
Speaker 5: So I'm not on board with you right now, Northern Italy.
2:20:06
Speaker 2: So tomorrow, since there are there are there's another slate
2:20:10
Speaker 2: of mixed doubles curling. Stay tuned for my for tomorrow's update.
2:20:15
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Speaker 12: Here, Hello, Sean, I would like to be I want
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Speaker 12: to be an Olympic expert, So James with a phenomenal,
2:24:02
Speaker 12: wildly entertaining breakdown of curly and earlier.
2:24:05
Speaker 2: Today you cannot have bob sled, you cannot have Nordic skiing.
2:24:09
Speaker 2: What's the event where they ski and like kill a guy?
2:24:11
Speaker 5: Biathlon?
2:24:12
Speaker 2: I want to do that one.
2:24:13
Speaker 5: Biathlon is great.
2:24:14
Speaker 2: It's cross country skiing where you stop and you don't
2:24:18
Speaker 2: kill anyone. Well, you shoot a very low powered rifle
2:24:21
Speaker 2: at a target. But still I will take that one.
2:24:25
Speaker 12: I've always been fascinated with, Like, hey, okay, today's event
2:24:28
Speaker 12: you will ski downhill and then potentially shoot another person.
2:24:32
Speaker 4: You know what I love about biathlon though it actually
2:24:36
Speaker 4: is the event that from a lifestyle perspective, there's like
2:24:40
Speaker 4: an obvious route to it. It makes the most sense,
2:24:43
Speaker 4: right because if you live in Lapland up there in
2:24:47
Speaker 4: like Scandinavia, that's what you're doing in the wintertime. You're
2:24:51
Speaker 4: cross country skiing out into the wilderness. And then you
2:24:54
Speaker 4: got to shoot a reindeer or something. So it's like
2:24:57
Speaker 4: a real life event. Bob sled doesn't make sense where
2:25:01
Speaker 4: that came from.
2:25:02
Speaker 2: Well, and I mean, if we're honest, neither does curling.
2:25:05
Speaker 12: For my you know, little known fact, I was a
2:25:10
Speaker 12: venue manager for the Solid Eye Center for the Winter
2:25:12
Speaker 12: Olympic Games in two thousand and two. Okay, part of
2:25:15
Speaker 12: that job entailed we all had to rotate to work
2:25:19
Speaker 12: different events. And I'll be honest, I don't know that
2:25:22
Speaker 12: I'd ever even heard of curling. And one random Wednesday expence,
2:25:26
Speaker 12: You're up at the curling event today. You got to
2:25:28
Speaker 12: go up there and work the event or whatever. And
2:25:31
Speaker 12: I remember I walked I walked in, and I'm looking
2:25:33
Speaker 12: around and for the first time in my life, I
2:25:36
Speaker 12: was watching curling live.
2:25:37
Speaker 2: And I was like, what the hell?
2:25:39
Speaker 5: It's awesome.
2:25:39
Speaker 12: Though, Well, no, no, I mean, I'm quite convinced to
2:25:43
Speaker 12: this day that you, me, James and Porter could start
2:25:45
Speaker 12: a team and within a few months.
2:25:47
Speaker 5: Would be pretty good at it. Well, let's try. We've
2:25:50
Speaker 5: got job, Sean.
2:25:52
Speaker 8: What do we do?
2:25:53
Speaker 2: We go to Jackie, We're like, hey.
2:25:54
Speaker 5: Where are the Winter Olympics? In twenty thirty guys.
2:25:56
Speaker 2: Jackie, just so you know, you gottam.
2:26:00
Speaker 12: You gotta get new talent, new producers, because we have
2:26:03
Speaker 12: started a curling team and we're training for the twenty
2:26:05
Speaker 12: thirty Games. And look, I don't want to be disrespectful
2:26:08
Speaker 12: the folks that love curling and understand the intricacies of curling.
2:26:11
Speaker 12: But I can remember sitting there watching the event like stunned.
2:26:16
Speaker 12: Have you never had seen it before? I'm like, this
2:26:18
Speaker 12: doesn't seem like.
2:26:19
Speaker 2: It's a hard twenty thirty Yeah, the French Alps Games,
2:26:23
Speaker 2: that's what they're calling. Let's go French Alps twenty thirty.
2:26:26
Speaker 4: You know how much it would just drive them insane
2:26:29
Speaker 4: if four white dudes from Utah showed up and just
2:26:33
Speaker 4: americanized this whole event.
2:26:35
Speaker 2: I'm loud and obnoxious. You're loud and slightly less obnoxious.
2:26:39
Speaker 2: Now that can be pretty obnoxious. Let's be honest, and
2:26:42
Speaker 2: we just.
2:26:42
Speaker 5: Take over curling at the French Alps.
2:26:45
Speaker 2: Hell. Yeah, and it's not just four white dudes, like, hey,
2:26:47
Speaker 2: what's their background?
2:26:48
Speaker 12: Or they were sportstock radio hosts for twenty years and
2:26:51
Speaker 12: then decided to dabble in curling and got it done.
2:26:54
Speaker 5: And by the way, now we're silver medalists. We're probably
2:26:56
Speaker 5: not gonna win.
2:26:57
Speaker 12: But hey, also new newfound not respect because I've I've
2:27:02
Speaker 12: listened to you and Jeff for years. Jeff spoke to
2:27:05
Speaker 12: my heart today as somebody who you know well when
2:27:10
Speaker 12: he when you were talking to him about his anxiety
2:27:13
Speaker 12: for attending parties, as somebody who has been dragged to
2:27:16
Speaker 12: these events my entire life.
2:27:18
Speaker 2: I've never enjoyed them.
2:27:20
Speaker 5: Tell us about your other first world problems that you despise.
2:27:22
Speaker 12: Yeah, I also don't love our yacht. It's too big,
2:27:25
Speaker 12: and then private jets.
2:27:26
Speaker 2: What's up with that? I cannot lean into it?
2:27:32
Speaker 5: Well, what am I gonna do?
2:27:33
Speaker 4: What I said, like like forty eight seconds ago when
2:27:36
Speaker 4: I said slightly less obnoxious.
2:27:38
Speaker 2: Now more obnoxious, more obnoxious.
2:27:41
Speaker 5: Yes, The point is I.
2:27:42
Speaker 12: Can't stand events like that. I really can't. I've never
2:27:44
Speaker 12: enjoyed it. I like that Jeff has the same attitude.
2:27:46
Speaker 5: I love things like that.
2:27:49
Speaker 2: I want to be home with that dog watching games,
2:27:53
Speaker 2: hang it out.
2:27:53
Speaker 5: Can I tell you something?
2:27:54
Speaker 2: Please?
2:27:54
Speaker 8: Do?
2:27:55
Speaker 5: There's games on every night, Yes, there is. That dog
2:27:57
Speaker 5: is gonna love you no matter what.
2:27:58
Speaker 2: That's true. There's one Super Bowl a year, and that
2:28:01
Speaker 2: means there's probably like four total Super Bowl parties a year.
2:28:04
Speaker 12: Yeah, but there's nothing authentic about these gatherings. There's nothing,
2:28:07
Speaker 12: there's nothing real.
2:28:08
Speaker 5: And here's the other thing I can't Sorry, are snow
2:28:10
Speaker 5: crab legs not authentic?
2:28:11
Speaker 2: You can get snow crab at Harmon's and go home
2:28:13
Speaker 2: and eat it.
2:28:14
Speaker 5: Okay, is the aki tuna?
2:28:17
Speaker 12: Is that not also available at local grocery stores. I
2:28:21
Speaker 12: can't do the small talk. I'm horrible at it. So
2:28:24
Speaker 12: within thirty seconds my skin starts burning. I'm like, I
2:28:28
Speaker 12: gotta get out of here. So if faking a phone
2:28:31
Speaker 12: call was an Olympic event, I would meddle for sure,
2:28:35
Speaker 12: because that's my exit. That's my exit strategy, Like, oh hey, well, sorry, man,
2:28:39
Speaker 12: gotta get this boom out of the com It's the
2:28:41
Speaker 12: best way to exit a conversation.
2:28:43
Speaker 4: I would be the one that's at the event with you.
2:28:45
Speaker 4: Be like, I noticed that that screen is still dead
2:28:48
Speaker 4: blank and totally black. Spins you did not receive a
2:28:50
Speaker 4: call anyway? Yeah, I would say it's on silent. You
2:28:53
Speaker 4: can't see Yea, I got a call.
2:28:54
Speaker 2: It's my mom. I've got to go. I've got to
2:28:56
Speaker 2: go take the phone call.
2:28:58
Speaker 5: Spence doesn't have a mom, I'd be telling everyone.
2:29:01
Speaker 12: Well, if I did, James would disrespect her and hater.
2:29:03
Speaker 12: As we learned this week, he doesn't respect the role
2:29:06
Speaker 12: of moms at home. Isn't that what we learned To piggy.
2:29:09
Speaker 2: Back off what James was saying about how women don't
2:29:12
Speaker 2: belong in the professional work for it? Correct, Yes, and
2:29:15
Speaker 2: I thought it was.
2:29:18
Speaker 12: I thought it was an interesting point for him to make,
2:29:20
Speaker 12: but you know, teach their own anyway. What's coming up
2:29:23
Speaker 12: on the drive, Well, I heard we were going to
2:29:26
Speaker 12: have a quiet NBA trade deadline that didn't really work.
2:29:30
Speaker 12: We've got Andy Larson, Toni Jones, Tim McMahon, and then
2:29:33
Speaker 12: mikey Am live in San Francisco. So sixty percent trade stuff,
2:29:38
Speaker 12: forty percent football stuff. And that's kind of the deal
2:29:41
Speaker 12: this week. And we'll continue to dig into what the
2:29:44
Speaker 12: Jazz did yesterday. And the more and more I kind of,
2:29:46
Speaker 12: you know, process it, the more and more I like it.
2:29:49
Speaker 12: So and Washington essentially did the same thing today. If
2:29:52
Speaker 12: you look across the landscape, after what the trade deadline
2:29:55
Speaker 12: will manifest, about two thirds of the league will believe
2:29:58
Speaker 12: that they have a good team next year instead of
2:30:00
Speaker 12: this year where Washington's going to keep tanking even though
2:30:04
Speaker 12: they got a D. The Jazz is going to keep
2:30:05
Speaker 12: tanking even though they got Jared Jackson Junior. About ten
2:30:08
Speaker 12: to twelve teams are unserious the rest of this year.
2:30:11
Speaker 12: I don't think that's going to be the case next season.
2:30:13
Speaker 12: So we'll see, We'll see how it plays out. But
2:30:15
Speaker 12: I think if you're a Jazz fan, you should feel
2:30:17
Speaker 12: pretty good today.
2:30:19
Speaker 2: I I'm going to be on an airplane still when
2:30:24
Speaker 2: just real quickrow, I'm I'm the snob, right, We've we've
2:30:29
Speaker 2: established it. So what you're going to be on an airplane?
2:30:32
Speaker 12: Yeh, I'm assuming you're flying coach like the regular rest
2:30:34
Speaker 12: of us, right, who fly?
2:30:36
Speaker 2: Or I'm sorry? Where where will you be seated on
2:30:39
Speaker 2: said airplane? In a in a in a seat? Yeah,
2:30:43
Speaker 2: in a seat? Does it?
2:30:44
Speaker 12: Does it go all the way back so you can
2:30:46
Speaker 12: sleep and enjoy snow crab and ahi tuna potentially on
2:30:49
Speaker 12: your way to your destination just out of curiosity because
2:30:51
Speaker 12: I fly, I fly coach with the rest of the
2:30:55
Speaker 12: regular people, really private jet.
2:30:58
Speaker 2: Uh drew real quick? Which which class will you be finding? Yeah?
2:31:03
Speaker 2: Uh huh, that's what I thought.
2:31:05
Speaker 12: He who is without sin let him cast the first
2:31:09
Speaker 12: stone shot O'Connell.
2:31:10
Speaker 4: In any case, I had a real question, the actual
2:31:12
Speaker 4: sports question. I will be on an airplane still when
2:31:15
Speaker 4: the the trade deadline approaches or when tomorrow.
2:31:19
Speaker 5: It's tomorrow, right, ye, are the Jazz done? It's a
2:31:24
Speaker 5: good question.
2:31:25
Speaker 2: The answer is no.
2:31:26
Speaker 12: But the answer is no prior to the start of
2:31:29
Speaker 12: next season, like this roster is incomplete? Is there something
2:31:32
Speaker 12: out there for them to I'll tell you what. The
2:31:36
Speaker 12: Kobe White kid and then Jared McCain, two players that
2:31:39
Speaker 12: were traded today, would have been like perfect for what
2:31:42
Speaker 12: the Jazz need to kind of complete this roster. So
2:31:45
Speaker 12: what they need, it may not be out there prior
2:31:48
Speaker 12: to tomorrow, but it may be out there prior to
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Speaker 12: the start of next season. This is not the group
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Speaker 12: we will see start next season. So that's how we'll
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Speaker 12: answer the question. Maybe it's before tomorrow, but definitely before
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Speaker 12: opening nine next year.
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