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Guest Hypnotist Lenora Edwards on How to Make an Instant Shift · The Hypnotist

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Welcome to The Hypnotist, the show that gives you inside
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So get yourself comfortable and enjoy today's episode of The
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Hypnotist. Welcome to the Hypnotist and
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today I am joined by a very special guest hypnotist, Lenora
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Edwards. Welcome to the show.
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Thank you so much. I'm so excited I get to spend
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time with you and your listeners.
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Yeah, great to have you here. And it's always good bumping
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into hypnotherapist because there's always an interesting
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story as to how people get into this wonderful world called
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hypnosis. So what's your story?
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How did you end up being a hypnotherapist?
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That is so funny that you mentioned that.
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I'm so at the Mid America conference coming up in October.
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I am sharing the keynote all about how I got into hypnosis,
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and the title of it is somewhere between Crisis and Cookies and
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the way that I got into hypnosis.
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And I feel like everybody gets into hypnosis this way.
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Nobody really sets out from like kindergarten, I want to be an
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astronaut or a firefighter. I want to do this, I want to do
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that. Nobody sets down to be a
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hypnotist or a hypnotherapist. And the way that I came through
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was through cookies. I had a baking business at the
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time, in addition to my career as a speech pathologist.
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And what I was doing was spending a whole lot of time on
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YouTube. And I was looking for ways to
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help myself ultimately stop sabotaging myself, finding ways
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to make money, finding millionaire mindset type things.
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And then also what was really underneath was I had an eating
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disorder and I was finding ways to navigate around that.
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And I did not tell anyone. And I have been struggling with
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it for over 2 decades. And it just got progressively
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worse and worse. And that's how I ended up
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finding the wonderful world of hypnosis and hypnotherapy.
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So talk me through that because obviously there's there's so
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much information on YouTube, so much information online.
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Oh my God. How did you figure out?
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Like was it you were a Guinea pig and you tested what worked
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for you? Or is it a case of something you
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discovered something and it really resonated and you're
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like, Oh yeah, that's going to help?
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Oh my gosh, that is such a great question.
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There's so much on YouTube. I have spent more hours on
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YouTube. And if there was a doctoral
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degree in personal growth and development, I would have
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absolutely earned it by now. Because ultimately, when it
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comes to personal growth, I think there are so many things
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that help. And it's about finding what
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works for you. And when it comes to hypnosis or
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finding ways to change habits that we don't like, whether we
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want to stick to a diet or we want to wake up early or we want
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to stop criticizing ourselves, there is so many options.
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And when it comes to hypnosis, I broke definitely all of the
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warnings that they said don't throw the biggest problem at
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this right now. Work with somebody one-on-one to
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really help anchor in the things that the changes are occurring.
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And I took all of those rules and recommendations and I tossed
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them right out the window. I was like, I can figure it out.
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And in doing so, I definitely turned myself into the Guinea
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pig. And I also found that the very
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hard way that working with a professional is a very, very
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helpful approach, especially because they often say you can't
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be the driver and the passenger at the same time.
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So when you're learning something new, the beauty with
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YouTube is that there's so much information.
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The flaw is that you're not having a conversation with
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somebody about the things that you're learning.
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So it's very passive and you're trying to make sense of it on
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your own. Whereas when you get to have a
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conversation, whether it's in a group class or if you're working
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with a practitioner, there's a conversation, there's a back and
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forth, and that's the difference that makes all the difference.
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It's, it's definitely the, the metaphor I use is, is kind of is
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hypnotherapist where we're seeing the client in the maze
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that they're in, but from a different perspective.
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We get to see it from above. So we might have experienced
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something similar or worked with other clients to have something
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similar. So we get to kind of see it from
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a different perspective. And, and I think that's helpful
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because, you know, if you're in the maze like you, you might
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have the right information, but you don't know where to, to
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turn, you know, in, in terms of that.
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And how did that looking for stuff online transition for you
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actually becoming a therapist and and and A and a speaker and
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an author? I I completely agree with you
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about working with a practitioner or coach or a
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hypnotherapist. They have a different
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perspective and they're looking at you in the maze.
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That is a beautiful, beautiful analogy and picture that you
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brought up. Yeah, can't agree more with
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that, especially because we don't know what we don't know.
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And we're trying to figure out if it's working while you're in
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the maze. And when you're with a
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practitioner or a therapist or a hypnotherapist.
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Excuse me? They have an embodied
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perspective. They understand the lingo.
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They've already walked through that maze working to figure it
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out, so they know a bit more. So they can absolutely help.
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When for, for me, I always think I took a very backwards way into
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it. I really, really worked hard at
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trying to help myself and get myself out of those loops.
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And I would take two steps forward and three steps back, or
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I'd have a good week and then I'd have a bad three weeks or
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something like that. When it came to my eating
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habits, when it came to exercising, when it came to the
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terrible word of a diet and what that looks like.
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And it really was trying to figure it out on my own.
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And what happened as a result of my eating disorder, I ended up
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back in the dentist chair for another false tooth.
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So I have multiple false teeth and that happens as a result of
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an eating disorder. And when I was sitting in the
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dentist chair, I kept thinking, this isn't working.
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You're you, you have gone as far as you can.
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I don't know how many more dollars do you want to spend?
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How many more hours do you want to spend trying to do this by
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yourself? And then it came to how many
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more teeth do you need to lose to realize that you're not able
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to do this alone. And as horrible as a David that
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was, I started to take a step forward.
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And my intention was to never, ever tell anybody about the fact
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that I had an eating disorder because there's so much shame
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and there's so much guilt wrapped up into it.
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And for me, I said, OK, let me take a class.
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And one of my favorite practitioners at the time was
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they were based on the West Coast and they were actually
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coming over to the East Coast. And I was so excited because I
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live on the East Coast and they were coming to a state that was
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only 5 hours away at the time. And I thought, I can totally
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write this off as like speech therapy.
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This could be CE us people won't even know about it.
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And then COVID happened and I didn't get to actually go to the
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conference, but thankfully Zoom was there to save the day.
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And they had started to do hybrids and they had started to
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host conferences where people who had already signed up
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because I had signed up in January and they locked
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everything down in March. And the conference eventually
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occurred in November. So I was able to attend on Zoom.
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And after the five day conference on Zoom working very
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hard to figure things out, I realized, unfortunately, I still
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had a ton of problems. The conference didn't resolve
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what I had initially thought that I was going to resolve the
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the skills that I thought were going to be at the end of this
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five day conference. And in the last 20 minutes of
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that conference, the hypnotherapist and the teachers
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goes. If you still want more help with
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this, reach out to our clinic. We offer one to one sessions.
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And I decided to call and leave a message and I started to work
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with a practitioner at the time who is not the one that I
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initially thought with thought it was, but I worked with their
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protege and it was the greatest gift that I ever experienced.
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And then so we started to work together.
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We started to work together about two to 3 * 4 * a month for
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about two sessions at a pop and I still did not tell this
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practitioner as to why I was there.
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And we talked about things like confidence and how to stand up
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for myself and what I would consider very surface level
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topics. And then after four months of
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meeting, I said something off the cuff and they caught it and,
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and I tried to navigate my way around it and they caught it
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again. And I kept working to get away
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from the topic and they kept coming back and they would not
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move. And finally just a cluster pile
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came out of me of everything that I have been going through.
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And at the end of that session, things were completely different
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because we had such rapport. We had so many other things that
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had been worked on up until that point.
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At the end of that session, I felt it completely leave my
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body, this thing that had been bothering me and irritating me
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for so long. And it became very apparent that
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it was like, you need to do this with your life, Lenora.
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And so I had completely pivoted from that standpoint after that
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session and. I think, I think it's a
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wonderful thing because a lot of hypnotherapists, either through
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self hypnosis or finding a good practitioner, they, they on the
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receiving end of just that complete transformation.
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They feel they've released so much of what they need to
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release. And then it almost feels like a
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desire in, in certain people to like, I want to share this with
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other people. I want to I want to help other
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people in this way. Completely.
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I I personally think, and I feel like you probably would agree
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with me, that it's the greatest gift that you can share with
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somebody. Yeah, because effectively at its
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core, hypnotherapy and any kind of therapy, but I think
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hypnotherapy is more on the therapeutic spectrum of the
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actual change element rather than just kind of counselling
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and listening. It's it's more designed to
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create a change is that effectively you're taking
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someone's life that's on a current trajectory and by an
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intervention over several sessions, it then takes a
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different trajectory. And and that's what an
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incredible thing to be able to do for other people and, and it
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feels amazing and, and fulfilling as well.
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So. So how did that go then from you
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on the receiving end of this to you then saying, no, I'm going
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to help other people in this way?
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Did you kind of do a course? You, you, you kind of learnt
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about it or you just drove straight in and, and thought,
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I'm going to be this therapist? Well, I have been learning the
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entire time up from that standpoint and especially when
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it gets into anything in the world of Do you remember the
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movie The Secret? OK.
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So anything in the world of love, attraction or personal
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growth, I like to affectionately refer to the movie The Secret as
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the infomercial to personal growth because it comes across
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as very sparkly and just visualize and you're going to be
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set on your way. But when we start to really
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notice that change is possible and that we are the creator of
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our experience, we are the meaning maker of our experience.
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We're the one in the trance. We're the one experiencing life
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in this human form. You start to really get down to
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the foundation and have a much deeper understanding.
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And I think there's a lot of different levels that go into
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it. And I very much think from the
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standpoint of being able to understand the multiple layers
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that are going on, I tend to be, and you probably are also that
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type of person. And most of your listeners, if
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not all of your listeners, have a deeper understanding of this
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place that we call Earth and this world of that we get to be
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creator. Where we are on that level
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varies. And so helping people understand
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that change is possible no matter what they want.
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If they want to stop being critical inside their head or if
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they want to go out and start a business that is possible and
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helping them identify those characteristics of these are the
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thoughts that are holding me back from accomplishing that
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thinking I'm not that type of person to do that.
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And helping them navigate out of that thought process into I am
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the type of person I can be, the type of person, sure, I could
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take one step forward truly changes their entire life
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because they're thinking in a different way.
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And now they're not looking at a problem.
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They're looking at a way to navigate around the problem.
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And that is extraordinarily powerful.
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Yeah, it is. It's it's it's a wonderful thing
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to. I feel privileged to be a
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therapist and kind of help other people because you, you know,
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you're helping other people, but it's also kind of like you could
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see insights in the clients that you're working with within your
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own life and, and it feels kind of quite generative and, and
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helpful from that perspective. Most hypnotherapist gravitate
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towards either a niche or a specialism.
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Did your background with, you know, having your eating
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disorder and, and and some of the things related to that
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influence that the niche that you tend to specialize in?
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Very much so. And you had asked how did how
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did I decide to become a coach and what was that trajectory
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like? I had been studying all along.
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And I would think as I was watching things on YouTube, I'm
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like, I want to help people. I want to give them that change.
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I want to do that. And I just didn't know how to do
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it. So when I noticed I need to do
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this with my life, oh, OK. So then things start to light
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up. So I did take certifications and
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I did take different courses. And it's one thing to take a
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course. And one of the techniques that
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I'm certified in is what is called holographic memory
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resolution. And it helps people speak in the
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language of their nervous system.
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So the nervous system speaks in color, shapes, sizes, textures
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and sounds. And when we understand that
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code, we can really help people because they'll say, oh, I have
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that sinking feeling kind of my stomach.
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Oh, it makes me think of this time.
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And so we start to get those changes.
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We can understand that. We can take a class and say, oh,
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OK, I understand that. But to embody that is completely
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different to truly understand the mechanics of what's going on
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because you can get a certification at the end of five
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days. Now we want to live it.
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We want to be a have it truly be a part of us and identify as
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that and in the intent to help other people.
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That was a transformation. So I started to practice with at
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the time when I would consider early, early stages of hypnosis
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where you start to think, oh, let me practice with my friends
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or let me let me get used to it. You're actually going through an
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identity shift of navigating from this person who doesn't
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feel very comfortable in it to embodying this confidence of
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saying, oh, I can do this. Oh, this is what it looks like.
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This is what it looks like for this person, and this is what it
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looks like for me as I'm going through the process.
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So it really is a full evolution of the person that's wanting to
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become that hypnotherapist or the person that's wanting to
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become that coach or that practitioner, whatever it might
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be. And you're helping people get
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changed, which is great when it came to my niche, because I went
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through what I went through, it was I, I often say, you know,
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you don't know how many rock bottoms there are and you think
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you hit rock bottom. And then it turns out there's
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another 20 levels beneath that really awful place that you were
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in. And my intention is for other
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people to realize they don't have to live there.
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It's not a life sentence. You're stuck in a pattern and we
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can absolutely help you out of that pattern or those patterns
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depending on how they are. And when it comes to food, it
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really is connected with so many things in your life.
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It's connected to birthday parties, it's connected to being
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alone, it's connected to pleasure.
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It's connected to so many things.
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So to have a really good relationship with food and to
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have a good relationship with your body changes your life
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entirely from somebody, somebody who would think about food and
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think about her body easily 90 plus percent of the day.
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That's a lot of brain power that was consumed by thoughts that
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really weren't helping anyone, that weren't really weren't
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really living in your body. So when you look out into this
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world and you think, you know, I can do so many things, there are
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a number of thoughts that are on repeat.
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Which ones don't I want to keep? And working with somebody to
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help get that change is truly life altering.
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And I often think when it comes to people who are saying, OK, I
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want change and they look out and they say, OK, well, where's
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a where's a hypnotherapist or where's a coach?
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Where's a practitioner? I consider it a lot like dating.
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You didn't go out with somebody the first time and think, OK,
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And I'm often married necessarily.
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Most people want to see if there's a connection, want to
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see if there's a report. Can I trust this person?
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And I encourage people, especially if they say therapy
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don't work for me or coaching didn't work for me.
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That's OK. It might not have been that
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approach. It might have been the person.
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So keep looking for a person that resonates with you because
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your life will be so completely different when you find that
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person. And that's the great thing
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because so many coaches, hypnotherapists out there that
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people get a feeling, I think. And that's why I quite like
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sharing stuff on kind of Spotify and YouTube and that kind of
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stuff. Because most of my clients,
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they've already listened to me hours and hours before they end
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up working with me because they say feel comfortable, you know,
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feel like I can trust that mean. And that's the element.
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And I think we're living in a different time.
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Whereas go back 20 years, you want to find a therapist or a
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coach might be a directory and you don't know who they are, you
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don't know anything about them. And then you're, you know, it
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feels daunting, I think to kind of take on that risk.
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But it's never been easier. And I imagine a lot of people
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that find out about you perhaps have seen you doing your, your
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TE DX talks. Does that help them to get a
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feeling of what you're like and whether or not you're suitable
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for them just from your presence, let's say online?
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I like to think so. I don't know for sure.
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I imagine that they they do. People will sometimes say, oh, I
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saw you online and I liked what you shared.
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I often think that it is not necessarily what I share, but
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how I share because a lot of people, especially after I teach
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a class, they'll come up to me because they can feel the warmth
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in a, in a real. Sometimes it's not you.
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You can't really get into that space where you're talking about
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certain more personal things that you might be talking about
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when you're in a class or that you might be talking about any
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YouTube video, Especially when you're in a class and you have
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the ability to hear that person go into their stories and how
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they help that person. People relate completely
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differently. And what I think is such a
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beautiful thing is. For me, very specifically, there
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is no judgement and there is no shame.
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And I can say that to somebody, but they have to feel it.
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And that's a different experience when you feel that
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viscerally. And I think that's why after
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classes, people really come up to me and that's where a lot of
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my clients come from. Or if I worked with a client and
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they pass my name along, that's a different story because now
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they're they're taking this trusted person and this trusted
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person is passing along my name. Wow, that's a huge compliment.
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And what a beautiful gift. And they can verify that this
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person that when you share these very personal things with them,
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it's OK. And it makes all the difference.
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The topics that I talked about, especially when it comes to food
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or somebody's body or how they feel when somebody's touching
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them, it is personal and it is personable.
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And you want to be in a space where it's OK to talk about it.
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And that person's not going to judge you.
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That person's not going to shame you.
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They're not going to criticize you.
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They're going to see you and they aren't going to say it's
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OK. It's it's I'm looking at it with
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you and you're safe. Huge.
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Huge. Therapist fall into a trap of a
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false belief system that if they're if they're a therapist
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or if they're a coach, they have to be this kind of shining
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perfect example and they've got no flaws.
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And actually that makes it feel less real, less genuine, less
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authentic, less vulnerable. And I've noticed with you is
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that you embrace the vulnerability, you, you embrace
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the kind of the opening and, and kind of the, the sharing.
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Is that a deliberate thing to kind of to be open?
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Is that intentional or is that just kind of like a reflection
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of of your personality? For me, I think it's a
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reflection of my personality, especially because there are
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things that I had never wanted to share with people.
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I didn't anticipate standing on a stage.
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And quite honestly with you, ask anybody I went to Graduate
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School with, they would say Lenora's a speaker.
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She was terrible in class. She hated being up there because
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I really was so uncomfortable. But I want people to know, and
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the reason that I share the way that I do is AI want people to
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know that change is possible and that I get it.
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I've walked. I know the discomfort in your
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nervous system and what that looks like.
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And really, I just want people to feel better.
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I want them to get the changes they want.
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If it's with me, great. If not, awesome.
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Find somebody who works best with you and with your nervous
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system. And also when we share,
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especially when we share vulnerably, it's something that
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we, when when we're doing it, we need to be able to hold the
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space for ourselves that says, I'm going to share this really
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that, that this very personal thing about me and I'm going to
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be OK that I'm not having an internal collapse going.
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What are they going to think of me?
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What are they going to judge me? Because I used to absolutely all
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the times that I've worked with coaches and all the times that
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I've worked with practitioners and I still do.
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I usually have at least one or two on my roster because I like
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to improve and I like to keep getting better at whatever it is
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that I'm getting better at. So when I'm sharing, for
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example, I was, I had a TEDx coach and she was such a she was
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such a beautiful teacher. And sadly she's no longer with
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us. And her name is, her name was
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Holly. And when she was first sharing
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with me how to stand on the TEDx stage, how to say what I'm going
24:14
to say, she was the one that was saying you need to be able to
24:18
say this and not break when you're saying it.
24:23
You have to have that stability for yourself.
24:25
And that was such a huge realization because I was the
24:29
one that was judging me. I was the one that was
24:32
criticizing me. Nobody out there was throwing
24:34
fruit at me. Nobody was throwing tomatoes,
24:36
saying get off the stage. I was doing it.
24:39
And when I can recognize they're not judging me, I'm judging me,
24:43
OK? That's my personal work.
24:44
That's something I have to go clean up.
24:47
Huge difference in the world. I think a lot of people do that.
24:51
They, they kind of mind read and kind of assume the judgment of
24:56
an audience will be a certain way.
24:58
And there's that kind of fear and and kind of reaction.
25:02
But you've obviously, you know, you speak a lot of the
25:04
conferences, you've got the keynotes at the Mid America
25:07
conference, you've done 2 TE DX talks.
25:10
What would you say is the advice you would give to someone that
25:13
feels anxious or daunted at the idea of speaking in front of an
25:17
audience? The first thing that I wish I
25:22
had understood at the thought of it, because the thought of it
25:25
used to make me break out into a sweat, but it really is.
25:30
Focus in on yourself and notice what your subconscious is
25:34
saying. What are they going to think of
25:36
me? What are they?
25:36
What if they're going to judge me?
25:37
What if I say the wrong thing? What if I mess up?
25:39
What if they think I'm stupid? All of those worries are exactly
25:44
where you want to go first, because if you feel like you
25:48
have this really important thing that you want to share and you
25:51
want other people to know it and you feel it moving through you
25:55
and then you go, but what if they're going to think of me?
25:57
What if? What if they say this?
25:59
What if they say that you have this beautiful thing to share.
26:02
That's great. So important.
26:06
Now do the inside work on this piece so that when you share,
26:12
you can stand there and go. It doesn't matter what you
26:14
think. I know for sure that this is
26:16
helpful. I know that this is going to
26:18
help somebody. That's where that alignment is.
26:22
So what's using your your kind of anxieties, worries, thoughts
26:26
as reconnaissance to kind of say it's telling you exactly what
26:29
you need to work on? You work on that and then the
26:32
emotion changes, which seems obvious, but at the same time,
26:36
most people will bury that or, or kind of ignore it and, and
26:41
still feel that anyway. Yeah, that's that's really
26:46
interesting. And when you have those kind of
26:47
thoughts, did when you did the work on yourself, you know, what
26:51
if I mess up, what if they judge me?
26:52
Did you actually kind of forensically go through each one
26:55
of those and and say, yeah, what if they do judge me?
26:58
Like what if I do mess up? Do you almost kind of refute
27:01
them and and kind of lean into them?
27:03
Very much so. And and I still do as I'm still
27:06
doing the work. Absolutely.
27:07
And it's so funny because every speech or every upcoming event,
27:12
it pushes me in a different way, in a different level.
27:15
I really struggled with what if they think I'm stupid?
27:19
That was something that I really had to work with for a very long
27:24
time. And there will still be little
27:25
things that pop up and go, well, what if you don't remember it?
27:28
And then they think you're stupid.
27:29
It's like, OK, now I need to sit down and I have to have this
27:32
conversation with this worry or with this part because I love to
27:37
think of them as messengers. And if I'm finding a way to no
27:42
get away, Nope, I'm trying to ignore it.
27:45
That's another big sign that Lenore, you need to pay
27:47
attention because you're working really hard to not not pay
27:50
attention to this. So I absolutely still do the
27:53
work. And even in coming into this
27:55
keynote, it pushed me in a new way because I had a full, full
28:01
rundown of what I thought I was going to talk about.
28:04
And I shared it with one of my coaches.
28:06
And they go, that's good. But you're missing half the
28:10
crowd in this because this is directed toward a very specific
28:14
group, because it was directed toward the newbies.
28:16
And so I had then had to dismantle that entire talk.
28:20
I had to pretty much take a huge, what, 80 plus percent of
28:24
it and throw it out the window or at least put it on the side
28:27
and restart again. And now it's not then, OK, who
28:31
do you become on the walk to preparing for this?
28:35
That is absolutely something that I work with.
28:38
And so when it comes up and not if, because they, they often
28:41
come up, those worries or fears, if or when they come up, I like
28:46
to sit down with them and say, OK, what's going on?
28:49
Who's talking? If you could all come together
28:51
and give me an age and give me an idea of who's talking.
28:56
Let's look at it. Because this, and this is
28:58
something that I will, I'll teach really quickly.
29:01
I'll teach you what I affectionately refer to as the
29:03
shift protocol, and all of my protocols are right there on
29:07
your hand because I ultimately think you want to gain back your
29:10
power and your control. So shift as an SHIFT.
29:15
So the first thing that I do is I spot the thought.
29:18
So if it's a worry, OK, cool. I, I can I spotted it hear it.
29:25
Who's voice is it? And this is so, so, so powerful
29:30
because we want to know, is it our voice or is it an echo of
29:35
somebody else's voice? Then what we want to do is we
29:39
want to investigate it. So if it's my voice, OK, cool,
29:42
let's put this worry out on the table and get it out in front of
29:45
me. Because when I can get out in
29:47
front of me, then I have perspective.
29:49
Then I have the ability, like you said earlier about the
29:52
matrix. OK, now I can look at it and
29:53
have a better view of it and I frame it.
29:57
Is there anybody that might come in and talk to me in a different
30:02
way? Who else might either agree with
30:04
this or who might not agree with this, who might not agree with
30:07
this thought? Great, we're going to frame it
30:09
and then we're going to trade it in for a better thought.
30:12
And that is the shift protocol because, and this is something
30:15
that I teach all my clients and I teach it in all my classes
30:17
because it's something that I needed.
30:19
And I couldn't figure out how to capture those thoughts and work
30:23
them fast enough. But until I, once I created the
30:26
protocol, I'm like, oh, now we have a systemized approach to
30:30
those, you know, annoying thoughts or critical thoughts or
30:32
whatever they are. And now we can shift them in
30:35
real time, which makes a huge difference because it's not this
30:39
worry that's going to hold me down for three days.
30:42
It's this worry that pops up and I get to go, oh, OK, let me look
30:45
at it. Really quick SHIFT.
30:48
OK, now we have that emotional release and now we can carry on.
30:53
So I imagine because there's an element of a mnemonic there,
30:56
it's on, it's on your hands, you know, you can kind of like I, I
30:59
imagine also it becomes like a pattern interrupt as well.
31:02
There we go, the shift, the shift protocol send it.
31:05
To you so you can put it in the show notes.
31:07
Yeah, I'll, I'll have a link to that.
31:10
But I imagine even just like moving your finger for you has
31:13
become a positive anchor to get access resource states because
31:17
you already know that you can take an intrusive thought or a
31:20
worrisome thought and kind of shift that to something more
31:23
empowering, useful. And I love the bit trading it in
31:27
is effective. That's, that's a reframe.
31:28
It's kind of like, well, it's saying this and it has this
31:30
intention, but actually we could update that for something much
31:33
more empowering, much more useful.
31:35
And then you're left with that kind of resourceful feeling.
31:38
So that's that's great. I'm going to, I'm going to
31:40
definitely use that. It's a it's a very cool thing.
31:42
So talk to us about you're at the Mid America conference.
31:46
You're doing one of the key among some amazing like my my
31:51
kind of inspiration of becoming a hypnotherapist was Richard
31:53
Bandler. And I just think he's he does
31:55
like amazing kind of like nested loops and that kind of
31:58
storytelling. So it's going to be great to to
31:59
kind of see him there. Tell us about your your talk at
32:04
at the Mid America Conference. The way that I approached it was
32:08
and, and I love that he was one of your first teachers.
32:11
That's awesome. And I'm super excited because I
32:13
get to see you when we when we go in a couple of days.
32:16
For my talk, I really thought about the audience, who's
32:22
listening, who's in the room? And when they walk away, how do
32:27
they want, how do they want to walk away?
32:29
What do they want to feel? Because we can tell so many
32:32
stories. We can tell uplifting stories.
32:34
We can tell heavy stories and they walk away with deeper
32:37
insights. But we can also add humor.
32:40
And I'm speaking on Friday morning.
32:43
So the the setup is right now Rich Guzzi is speaking who you
32:46
got to spend time with last week, which is awesome.
32:49
That podcast recording is fantastic.
32:51
So in case anybody wants to go back, it was just a few days
32:53
ago. And then I believe I'm speaking
32:57
that morning, on Friday morning. And then Chase Hughes is
33:00
speaking on Sunday, along with Doctor Richard Bandler is also
33:03
speaking on Sunday. So I really thought about the
33:06
timing also. The timing is probably around
33:10
11:00 AM. And how does somebody feel first
33:14
thing in the morning? But also where do we want them
33:16
to be moving at the beginning of a conference?
33:20
You want them to be uplifted. You want them to be inspired and
33:23
motivated. So I really paid attention to
33:27
who's in the room, how do they want to feel, and how can I
33:30
connect everybody together so that it feels like a family that
33:36
you want to be a part of. And there are sometimes the
33:40
reason I specify is because there are plenty of people where
33:42
they, we'll say, oh, family. And they're like, I didn't have
33:45
a very good family experience. But no, this is the one that you
33:47
want to be a part of because we all speak the same language.
33:49
We're all there for the same reasons.
33:51
We all love not just learning and growing and helping other
33:54
people. We also love helping ourselves
33:57
to a new level and to an expanded level.
33:59
And I think that's really important.
34:02
So that's how I started to connect to everybody.
34:04
And I also wanted to share a little bit about how I got into
34:09
this great, wonderful field that we find ourselves in.
34:14
Amazing. So you're going to be sharing
34:15
your story and and yeah, I guess setting the scene in in a way
34:20
because you're you and Rich are kind of the 1st and I guess
34:24
Chase and Richard will be kind of the bookend of the of the of
34:28
the conference. And yeah, I think it's.
34:30
A really great way that they had it set up too, which is it's
34:34
very different. And so each each conference that
34:35
we go to, it all has its own personality and the things that
34:39
you can expect. You know, HTL is known for hypno
34:42
thoughts Live, is known for summer camp, summer camp for
34:46
hypnotists. And I think they did a beautiful
34:48
job, especially this past year. I got to go this past year in
34:52
2024, and then I got to go in 2025 and 2025.
34:57
I was in a different space. So for me, the conference was
35:01
even better than it was when I went in 2024.
35:04
So it's very interesting to to see the evolution of the
35:07
conferences, but also our experiences where we are at that
35:10
point in time when we go in. Constantly evolves.
35:14
And for those people curious about perhaps going to Chicago
35:18
for the Mid America conference, what are some of the things
35:22
you're looking forward to there that make you want to be a part
35:26
of that that might also inspire or encourage other people to to
35:29
go as well? I like how many speakers there
35:32
are and I love that question. I'm curious to know what your
35:34
thoughts are too. There are over 100 speakers, and
35:40
the reason I think that's really important is because there are
35:43
multiple rooms going on at one time.
35:45
So everybody's getting recorded, which is great, and that's
35:47
always an option, but it leaves it very open to what your
35:53
interests are. You know, if you go into a
35:56
conference and there's 25 speakers or 35, it is more
36:00
limited, whereas this now you have over 100 speakers and
36:04
they're specifically looked at. You know, it's not just anybody
36:08
can apply. It's yes, anybody can apply, but
36:11
as the host or as the person that's in charge of the
36:13
conference, they go through your social media, they go through
36:16
the things that you're doing to see if you can absolutely teach
36:21
on this and take what you've learned and bring it into a new
36:24
light. And I think that's really
36:26
important because there's an accountability there and you
36:29
really want to not just level up for yourself, you want to also
36:32
level up for your clients. Absolutely.
36:34
But when you go to teach, you want those other, you want your
36:37
peers to walk away with value and seeing you as somebody that
36:43
they can ask their questions to and also learn from.
36:47
And that takes it all of us to a new level.
36:50
So I'm looking forward to the speakers and then especially the
36:53
things that they have planned, which sometimes when we say like
36:57
connection, we can think LinkedIn really quickly or like,
37:01
oh, it was great to connect with you.
37:02
But the way that they are starting to shift things now for
37:05
mid America, they're having a lunch buffet, which is really
37:09
cool because at like I mentioned at Hypnosis Live, they had a
37:12
breakfast buffet and now they have a lunch one at this one
37:15
where you get to spend time and sit down and talk with people,
37:20
which when you're running from class to class, you don't
37:23
necessarily get that. Or if it's 5:00 on the last day
37:26
on Friday or Saturday, you're kind of fried and you're like, I
37:30
just, I need a break. I need to go get some food and I
37:33
need to process all that I learned.
37:34
Whereas now it's in the middle of the day.
37:36
So now you get that time to think about how your morning
37:39
was. You get your time to talk about
37:40
other people and see what their modalities are, see what their
37:43
specialties are. And then there's also a VIP
37:46
room, which gives it another layer of expertise.
37:50
And then there's also the events on the evening along with the
37:53
keynote speakers. I'm I'm extraordinarily excited
37:56
about this conference. Yeah.
37:59
And I, I am as well. And you know, the only US based
38:02
conference I've been to is a Hypnot thoughts for the last
38:05
four years. But Rich's enthusiasm for it,
38:10
you know, he just seems so excited and all these kind of
38:13
things that he's got organized. And I think, you know, when you
38:16
when you get, you know, hypnotherapists are interesting
38:20
people because generally very positive and very, very kind of
38:25
creative kind of people. And you don't get that in a lot
38:27
of other conferences. Like many conferences.
38:30
It's a little bit kind of territorial and a bit kind of
38:33
cliquey, but you know, the hypnotists are very kind of
38:35
friendly and, you know, everyone's eager to share and
38:38
kind of learn from each other. And I think it's an amazing
38:40
community element that you don't get if you just kind of
38:43
connected on online. But I think, yeah, for anyone
38:47
listening, I think these conferences are in an ability to
38:51
get lots of learning in a very condensed kind of period, but
38:56
also just more than learning like the connection, the
38:59
understanding, you can kind of get a lot done.
39:01
So if you are able to get to Chicago, we're going to put a
39:04
link in the description so you can kind of get tickets.
39:07
And it takes place I think 17th of October.
39:11
For 24 days and ticking right now, yeah.
39:14
And. Then not far away at all and and
39:19
Lenora, for anyone interested in learning more about you, you
39:23
know, either your your book, you know working with you anything
39:27
else like where's the best place they can find out more
39:29
information on you. The best place to find out more
39:32
is driven to bebetter.com. That's my website and all the
39:36
good stuff is on there and that's the easiest 1 to connect
39:39
with. And I love that you mentioned
39:42
about connecting with people and that they're eager to share.
39:45
Practitioners there and therapist there are absolutely
39:48
eager to share. And that's another beautiful
39:50
thing. At the end of the class, you get
39:51
to go up and talk to them if you want.
39:53
Or you can say, Hey, let's meet for lunch.
39:55
I have a few questions about what you shared.
39:57
And that's huge because I think so many people, I, I used to be
40:03
like this, like, Oh my gosh, what if I, I, what will they
40:06
think of me if I ask the question and in this community.
40:11
Come, come with the questions. Let's talk, let's talk.
40:13
I love questions and they literally enjoy answering
40:17
questions. So they're so eager to hear your
40:19
questions, which I think is a huge difference.
40:23
Amazing. Well, I'm looking forward to it.
40:24
And if you listen to this, you'd like Lenora either give us that
40:29
website address again one more time.
40:31
Driven to bebetter.com. Driven to bebetter.com.
40:34
Check that out. I'll have a link.
40:36
So if you want to come to Chicago, Lenora talking, I'm
40:39
talking and we're going to have Richard Bandler, Chase Hughes,
40:42
Rich Guzzi as well and about 95 other speakers.
40:45
So it's going to be an amazing place to check that out.
40:48
Lenora, thank you so much for giving your your time here.
40:51
It's a privilege to speak with you and I will see you in
40:54
Chicago in a few weeks time. Thank you so much for spending
40:57
time with me and thank you to your listeners and I will see
40:59
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