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Normally Podcast: The Fire Burns Bright During the Trump/Biden Chat · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome back to Normally the show with normalist
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Speaker 1: takes for when the news gets weird. I'm Mary Cathay
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Speaker 1: Hail and Carol Markowitz.
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Speaker 2: The news has been somewhat weird, not overly so I
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Speaker 2: think people are still adjusting to the election results. But
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Speaker 2: the appointments have started rolling in and commentary on those
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Speaker 2: appointments has been a bit hysterical.
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Speaker 1: So I think there's like a it's not as bad
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Speaker 1: as last time, was as bad as last time, so
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Speaker 1: that's it's a mild improvement. And I do think there
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Speaker 1: needs to be like a def con chart there where
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Speaker 1: you should be if you're a person in the press
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Speaker 1: covering Trump and like whether you should be worried about
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Speaker 1: whatever he's doing it any given helment. The problem is
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Speaker 1: they can't gauge, so they just like kind of freak
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Speaker 1: out about everything, and that that's not a good way
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Speaker 1: to do news. And I would say that this transition
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Speaker 1: compared to his last one because he didn't know he
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Speaker 1: was going to win last time, is much smoother. As
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Speaker 1: a professional who's like we're cranking through these names, right,
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Speaker 1: We're hitting them quickly. It feels like there's a plan. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So I think that helps.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I also have really liked almost all
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Speaker 2: of the picks at all, but almost all, almost all.
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Speaker 2: I feel particularly defensive of the Pete Hexth pick, not
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Speaker 2: just because I've met Pete. You know, I can't say
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Speaker 2: we're friends, but we're friendly, We've hung out. I really
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Speaker 2: like him and his wife. But I think that there's
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Speaker 2: just this air of elitism that is in play about
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Speaker 2: his pick. And I would say that it is probably
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Speaker 2: because he's a good looking man and he looks you know.
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Speaker 2: I I the first time I ever met him, I
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Speaker 2: was like, he looks like like an action movie star,
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Speaker 2: like I want my son's to meet him. But he
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Speaker 2: I feel like he is like looks for getting in
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Speaker 2: the way of people realizing he went to Yale and Harvard,
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Speaker 2: he has two Bronze Stars, he did three deployments. He's,
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Speaker 2: you know, not some pretty boy dummy, which is what
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Speaker 2: the media is portraying him as. And I just think
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Speaker 2: he's such a breath of fresh air for this role.
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Speaker 2: I think that the position, you know, leading the defense department,
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Speaker 2: being at the head of that, I think it's not
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Speaker 2: really what people think. It's not actually like planning warfare
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Speaker 2: and doing stuff like that. It's really motivating that department,
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Speaker 2: changing the culture, getting enlistments up, which are super down.
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Speaker 2: I think people big incredible spokesman for that department, and
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Speaker 2: I just think all around, he is a fantastic pick
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Speaker 2: if you didn't want out of the box picks, if
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Speaker 2: you wanted the same bureaucrats that we've always had. Electing
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump was a mistake. So here we are. I
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Speaker 2: well pro pete Hegseth all the way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I do think. Uh, I've largely been
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Speaker 1: satisfied with these picks, and to the point that it
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Speaker 1: makes me wonder, like I'm not necessarily the cons constituency
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Speaker 1: he's trying to serve, so like if I'm not disturbed
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Speaker 1: yet or concerned, other people.
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Speaker 2: Might be mad comfortable.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But on the heg Seth point, I think a
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Speaker 1: couple of things. I think it's fair to have like
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Speaker 1: a little bit of reservation and say, Okay, he's never
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Speaker 1: run a giant organization before. I do not believe that
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Speaker 1: that's not something you can hire for and like surround
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Speaker 1: yourself with people for I hate this thing where the
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Speaker 1: media is like, first, first of all, they're all TV hosts, right,
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Speaker 1: like and they're.
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Speaker 2: Like, jo I read is just like, he's just a
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Speaker 2: TV host, like you, ladies, like.
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Speaker 1: You, You're a TV host and you tell all of
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Speaker 1: us what to do all the time, all the time.
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Speaker 1: So there's that. But I hate that they say that
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Speaker 1: that's all he is. So Jim Acosta reporting for CNN
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Speaker 1: is like, well, it's a Fox and Friends pick for
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Speaker 1: the Secretary of Defense. As you note, he has a
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Speaker 1: double Ivy League degrees. It was actually Princeton and Harvard
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Speaker 1: double Ivy League degrees, which the same folks who are
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Speaker 1: saying he's not a good pick would tell you any
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Speaker 1: other day that two IVY League degrees basically qualify you
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Speaker 1: for anything anything. On top of that, I believe it's
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Speaker 1: three deployments. He had a combat leadership role. He has
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Speaker 1: two Bronze stars. And at the risk of sounding like
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Speaker 1: a lib, I just want to say, y'all can't send
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Speaker 1: men to wars for twenty years where they gain experience,
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Speaker 1: and when they come back you tell them that experience
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Speaker 1: doesn't count. That's right, because I think that experience counts.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And let's not forget that Biden's Cabinet Transportation secretary
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Speaker 2: got picked because he likes trains, so spare me the
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Speaker 2: lectures about Pete Hegsat's experience. I think he's perfectly qualified
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Speaker 2: and makes a great pick.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 1: And there's another part of this where perhaps someone can
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Speaker 1: make this point at the confirmation hearings, which is, would
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Speaker 1: Pete hegseeth go a wall and have surgery without telling
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Speaker 1: the president that he was gone from his post as
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Speaker 1: secretary Lloyd Austin did, because if you won't do that, Yeah, like,
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Speaker 1: we're there. But that's a thing that the press is
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Speaker 1: very bad at doing. They don't see the the what
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Speaker 1: is it? They don't see the log in their own
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Speaker 1: eye while they're pointing out the vote in someone else's. No,
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Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting pick, definitely, definitely unexpected. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but I definitely.
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Speaker 2: Like is this one real?
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Speaker 1: Is this one real?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: But I'm not a verse to things that are unconventional
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Speaker 1: because one of the things, A, people voted for change
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Speaker 1: and B there's a lot of very very stodgy, stultifying
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Speaker 1: bureaucracy that can use people looking at it differently, perhaps
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Speaker 1: especially from a combat that's perspective.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fully agree, and I like the other picks
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Speaker 2: again pretty much so far. I have to say, Christynome
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Speaker 2: at Homeland Security might be the one that I quite understand.
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Speaker 2: But here we are as we record this, Marco Rubio
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Speaker 2: still has not been announced as Secretary of State, which
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Speaker 2: is worrying me a little bit. I've heard from two
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Speaker 2: people inside the process that there is some inner strife
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Speaker 2: that somebody else was promised that position, and that there's
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Speaker 2: somehow figuring it out. I don't think they could walk
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Speaker 2: it back at this point. I bet that by the
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Speaker 2: time this airs tomorrow, Rubio will be announced, because this
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Speaker 2: is quite a long time. Actually, it's already been over
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Speaker 2: twenty four hours that the rumor was first floated, and
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Speaker 2: it wasn't really floated so much as given to the
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Speaker 2: New York Times.
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Speaker 1: Well, and I have I have heard reported by some
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Speaker 1: who have better contacts in Trump world than I do,
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Speaker 1: that Rubio is a Wiles pick and that that was
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Speaker 1: part perhaps part of the trade off for JD Vance
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Speaker 1: at VEEP, and Rubio gets a good slot in the administration,
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Speaker 1: and I think he'd be extremely good in this spot.
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Speaker 1: The perfect moral clarity uh serious person speak Spanish can
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Speaker 1: put Latin American countries on the front burner and pay
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Speaker 1: attention to those which you know is helpful to the
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Speaker 1: new giant Latino voting block that the GOP has earned
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Speaker 1: around this time. So I think he'd be great there.
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Speaker 1: There's there are many things that are giving me heavy
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Speaker 1: thoughts in the beginning of this process, and we will
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Speaker 1: I will be ready for when that stops.
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Speaker 2: Well that's it. We have to be ready because there
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Speaker 2: are a lot of factions, there are a lot of
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Speaker 2: people to keep happy. But so far, I don't know
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Speaker 2: that I would change much Hukaby as ambassador as well.
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Speaker 2: I love that. I love Mike Kokabee. I think he's
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Speaker 2: just a fantastic person. He loves Israel so much. He is,
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Speaker 2: you know, a real American patriot. He will be there
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Speaker 2: to represent America's interests in Israel, and he is just
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Speaker 2: a fantastic choice.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's been outspoken about this forever, very affectionate
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Speaker 1: about Israel. Now it goes beyond like sort of an
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Speaker 1: ideological bent or a patriotic alliance. I think he's very
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Speaker 1: affectionate towards Israel and the people of Israel.
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Speaker 2: That's right. And it's a tough job. I like to
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Speaker 2: joke that if I could choose any job to be
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Speaker 2: appointed to it'd be like ambassador to Turks and Caicos. Like,
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Speaker 2: that's not what he's getting. He's not getting the ambassadorship
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Speaker 2: to take Turks and Caicos. Israel is a tough one
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Speaker 2: he's going to be working.
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Speaker 1: So he picked this.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he obviously probably could have had, you know,
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Speaker 2: the ambassadorship to tricks and Cakeos. He chose to take
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Speaker 2: the tough one because he cares about the place and
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Speaker 2: he thinks he could do it a good job.
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Speaker 1: And I agree that Press secretary position still standing open
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Speaker 1: as we speak. We shall see what becomes of it.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps by the time this comes out, we'll have more information.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, there was a rumor floated today that it
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Speaker 2: was Tucker, but I just.
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Speaker 1: I don't see that. By the way, can I just
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Speaker 1: say that the uh, the Trump World Press Release form
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Speaker 1: is too easy to spoof, So things, things go out
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Speaker 1: on Twitter, and because Trump is so unconventional and unpredictable,
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Speaker 1: I didn't know if they're true or not, and it
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Speaker 1: takes a minute. And sometimes I'm on a hair trigger
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Speaker 1: about those things. So we will be we'll be careful
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Speaker 1: about that. We're in our we're in a healthy death
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Speaker 1: con situation. We know, we know when to freak out
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Speaker 1: and when not to. So right here we.
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Speaker 2: Are another transition news. Trump and Biden met today, just
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Speaker 2: two bros hanging out in front of a roaring fire.
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Speaker 1: The fire was out of control. It was a conflagration.
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Speaker 1: Carol in the in the Oval office, I actually was thinking,
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Speaker 1: did someone put like gen Z staffers in charge of
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Speaker 1: the fire? And they were just like should it be
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Speaker 1: bigger than that? Like, I don't know, I don't do
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Speaker 1: a lot of fires. But then I thought, I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure they could have started it on their own, right,
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Speaker 1: Like sorry gen Z?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would just say I didn't have
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Speaker 2: a lot of fire making experience in Brooklyn. I lived
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Speaker 2: in Scotland learned how to make fires there. But like,
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's that crazy for people not to know.
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Speaker 2: But that was a rager. I feel like they both
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Speaker 2: must have been sweating through their suits, was sitting there.
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Speaker 2: I'm just like, I don't know how they're doing it.
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Speaker 1: That's a big fire. It was. It was very real.
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Speaker 1: Uh So, nonetheless, you know, if they want to bring
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Speaker 1: me on to teach people in to build the fires.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, the Mary Katherine Ham Hour to build fires.
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Speaker 1: That's what I bring to the table. That and teaching
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Speaker 1: politicians to grow okay like normal people.
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Speaker 2: Right. Well, so Biden and Trump looked great together, very calm,
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Speaker 2: at ease, not at all like previous interactions.
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Speaker 1: Kind of have to wonder.
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Speaker 2: If Trump wasn't just hanging out with one of his voters.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's hear a little bit of that interaction.
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Speaker 1: We'll be president.
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Speaker 3: I'd like former praying and your shining congratulation, Thank you,
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Speaker 3: and looking forward to having a likely said smooth transition
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Speaker 3: toevery We can make sure you're accommodating what you need,
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Speaker 3: and we're gonna get a chance to talk across I'm
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Speaker 3: out today.
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Speaker 2: It's good, welcome, Thank you, jat.
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Speaker 4: And thank you very much. And politics is tough, and
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Speaker 4: it's many cases not a very nice world, but it
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Speaker 4: is a nice world today and I appreciate it very much.
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Speaker 4: And a transition that's so smooth, it'll be as smooth
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Speaker 4: as it can get.
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Speaker 2: And I very much.
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Speaker 3: Appreciate that you you are.
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Speaker 2: That was a different conversation then they used to have
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Speaker 2: the really stiff kind of conversations that we've kind of
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Speaker 2: gotten used to with the two of them.
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Speaker 1: Pretty crazy, Yeah, you can hear the fire in the
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Speaker 1: background of that clip, by the way, just threatening to
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Speaker 1: take over the entire office. Later, they both sat there
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Speaker 1: smiling while Biden's staff ushered yelling press out of the
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Speaker 1: room in classic Biden's style. They're just like yelling questions
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Speaker 1: and they're pushing, just physically pushing them out of the room.
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Speaker 1: Trump and Biden just sat there smiling. I do wonder, Carol,
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Speaker 1: who they voted for, Jill and Joe both because Jill
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Speaker 1: wore a red pants suit to vote.
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Speaker 2: Red pants suits at a mouthful.
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Speaker 1: It really did, like, you don't do that as a
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Speaker 1: Democratic first lady, go into the polls. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: There was also an exchange between Jill Biden and Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 2: I believe that was on Monday, on Veterans Day, and
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Speaker 2: Jill didn't even look in her direction or say a word.
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Speaker 2: And my husband sent me that video and said, very
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Speaker 2: Carol over here, because I you know, when I love everyone,
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Speaker 2: but when you're dead to me, like I don't even
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Speaker 2: look at you, you don't exist. So he said, Carol
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Speaker 2: vibes there. I support you, Jill Biden.
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Speaker 1: I get it.
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Speaker 2: When when somebody crosses.
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Speaker 1: You dead, that's it. Yeah, that's it. I mean it
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Speaker 1: was It had a real housewives feel like some is
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Speaker 1: about to go flying if if everyone doesn't mind their
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Speaker 1: p's and q's. So we got out of that Veteran's
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Speaker 1: Day ceremony without any chardonay flying. It's nice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know what happened after they went inside.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it could get it could get weird.
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Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and come right
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Speaker 2: back with.
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Speaker 1: Normally, speaking of transition of a different kind, shall we
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Speaker 1: talk about the ad that reportedly the Trump campaign spent
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Speaker 1: the most money on, Yeah, for placement, and it was
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Speaker 1: the trans ad. Can we tell you that thirty second
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Speaker 1: ad real quick?
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Speaker 5: Kamala supports taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners.
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Speaker 6: Surgery for prisoners, for prisoners, every transgender inmate in the
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Speaker 6: prison system would have access.
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Speaker 5: It's hard to believe, but it's true. Even the liberal
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Speaker 5: media was shocked. Kamala supports taxpayer funded sex changes for
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Speaker 5: prisoners and illegal aliens.
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Speaker 6: Every transgender inmate would have access.
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Speaker 5: Kamala's for they them, President Trump is for you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. That was a really popular ad, and I think
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Speaker 2: that what the main thing was is that people wanted
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Speaker 2: normal so badly and that's what they were getting with
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, and I think that that sent the message
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Speaker 2: that this won't be the normalcy that you're craving.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's First of all, that tagline brilliant
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Speaker 1: is just going down in history as one of the
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Speaker 1: greatest bites as political writings. I mean, it just just
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Speaker 1: nailed it, very effective. I think part of it too,
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Speaker 1: is it's there's got there's some silly pictures in it.
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Speaker 1: There's actually I believe I feel like I've seen another
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Speaker 1: version that had a slightly more upbeat music soundtrack, and
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Speaker 1: it's like, it's not super dark. It actually makes fun
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Speaker 1: of the absurdity, which I thought was a nice touch
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Speaker 1: because most Americans are not hateful about this issue. They
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Speaker 1: just don't want you to be insane, and Kamala Harris
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Speaker 1: could not back off of insane. And it's it's also
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Speaker 1: a great illustration of the media not serving Democrats well,
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Speaker 1: because when Trump brought this up at the debate, the
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Speaker 1: whole media like that that's crazy. But I believe it
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Speaker 1: was Andrew Kazinski of CNN who found this a cluh questionnaire.
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Speaker 1: She had done. It is real, it's in her hand.
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Speaker 1: These are her beliefs, and in that clip she even
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Speaker 1: goes further and she says, yeah, this is something that
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Speaker 1: I'm going to use my power to do. Quote I
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Speaker 1: believe she says for the agenda. These are not messages
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Speaker 1: for the normies.
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Speaker 2: No, they're not. No, and that thing. We talked about
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Speaker 2: this before, but they shot themselves in the multiple feet
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty with the crazy beliefs. They all raised
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Speaker 2: their hand about getting rid of private health insurance. I mean,
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Speaker 2: they had such whack a doodle concepts and beliefs, and
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Speaker 2: the fact that Biden won is a miracle. It's tough
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Speaker 2: to walk back any of that stuff, and it's particularly
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Speaker 2: tough when you're on video saying things like that. But again,
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Speaker 2: it was completely acceptable to say stuff like that back then.
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Speaker 2: It was in the Democratic Party primary. It was encouraged
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Speaker 2: to as left as possible.
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Speaker 1: Well, and what apologists will say is, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what these people were hearing. This transad is misleading, it's
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Speaker 1: not misleading. All of the things are true. Now you
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Speaker 1: can argue there are very few of these cases. People
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Speaker 1: don't care that there are very few of those because
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Speaker 1: they think that that's crazy, right, and they think it's
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Speaker 1: an emblematic of how you can't figure out what's crazy
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Speaker 1: and what's normal, right, and.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, go ahead.
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Speaker 1: So there's that, but like, yeah, I just think they're
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Speaker 1: having trouble reeling this back in. But the apologists say, well,
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Speaker 1: what are these people watching? Her campaign is nothing like this,
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Speaker 1: And it's like people can see her and hear her
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Speaker 1: from four or five years ago, from her time in office.
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Speaker 1: You don't get to just say, restart the clock for
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Speaker 1: three months and this is who I am.
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Speaker 2: Right. The other thing is is that when you hear
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Speaker 2: her say something that insane that she will pay for
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Speaker 2: free sex changes for illegal immigrant criminals in prison, you wonder,
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Speaker 2: what of the crazy ideas does she have?
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Speaker 1: This can't be the only one.
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Speaker 2: She didn't just come up with this one. There's got
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Speaker 2: to be others. So it leads people to think of
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Speaker 2: her as she was, which is a far left candidate
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Speaker 2: who was trying to cover it up for a few
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Speaker 2: months as she ran for president.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Can I note that two people in the party
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Speaker 1: at least have tried to sort of reel this in
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Speaker 1: post election, so going for them, Well, so one of
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Speaker 1: them is Representative Seth Moulton, and he basically said, I said,
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Speaker 1: I have two little girls. I don't want them getting
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Speaker 1: run over on a playing field by male or formerly
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Speaker 1: male athlete. But as a Democrat, I'm supposed to be
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Speaker 1: afraid to say that. Okay, yes, they are all afraid
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Speaker 1: to say that. Well, yeah, twenty twenty and the level
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Speaker 1: of bullying we saw for everything made a lot of
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Speaker 1: people very scared to say a lot of things. And
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Speaker 1: that hurt the Democratic Party, I think more than it
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Speaker 1: hurt Republicans. Yeah, because this guy is starting with the
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Speaker 1: easiest thing, which is biological males on women's sports teams.
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Speaker 1: This is like, in some places, like an eighty five
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Speaker 1: percent issue if I'm conservative, it's a seventy thirty issue.
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Speaker 2: Controversial at all.
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Speaker 1: Well, wouldn't you know it? CBS reports it. That's Representative
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Speaker 1: Seth Moulton is defending controversial remarks that he made about
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Speaker 1: transgender athletes in the wake of the presidential election. To
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Speaker 1: his credit, although he should have spoken up sooner, he's
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Speaker 1: not backing off of this. I think he knows that
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Speaker 1: this is an electoral poison and he's continuing to talk
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Speaker 1: about it. But they're having a lot of trouble down
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Speaker 1: in Texas. The head of the head of the Democratic Party,
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Speaker 1: which got wiped out in the election Tuesday, said that
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Speaker 1: the transgender agenda hurt Democrats at the polls. We can say, Okay,
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Speaker 1: we respect people's right to say we don't want my
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Speaker 1: taxpayer money to be used to do that, and at
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Speaker 1: the same time support transgender rights, saying we need to
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Speaker 1: take that position right now, but when these votes happen,
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Speaker 1: we need to recognize that there are going to be
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Speaker 1: long term political consequences when we do that. We have
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Speaker 1: a choice as a party. You could, for example, you
20:10
Speaker 1: can support transfer to rights up and down all the
20:12
Speaker 1: categories where the issue comes up, and you can understand
20:14
Speaker 1: that there's certain things that we just go too far
20:17
Speaker 1: on that a bulk of our population does not support.
20:20
Speaker 1: I believe he's out of that job now now. To
20:22
Speaker 1: be fair, it might not be because of the comments.
20:24
Speaker 1: It could be because of the shillacking, but right and I.
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Speaker 2: Saw right before we went on that there's already a
20:32
Speaker 2: movement to primary South Moulton. So yeah, that's you know,
20:36
Speaker 2: that's what he's going to get for that. Again, no
20:39
Speaker 2: lessons learned, nothing, you know at all being picked up
20:43
Speaker 2: from what just happened to the Democrats, they're going to
20:46
Speaker 2: continue to be this far left thing. But what you
20:50
Speaker 2: said was completely right is that people didn't care about
20:54
Speaker 2: this issue for a long time and they do now
20:57
Speaker 2: because we were made to care. They put it in
21:00
Speaker 2: to our lives in so many different ways. I know,
21:03
Speaker 2: I always talk about growing up in New York City,
21:05
Speaker 2: like I had drag queen friends, I had, like you know,
21:08
Speaker 2: people who were calling themselves trends. You know, back in
21:11
Speaker 2: the nineties. They weren't trying to read books to elementary
21:15
Speaker 2: school kids. They it wasn't about kids at all, And
21:19
Speaker 2: I think that that's really what changed the conversation. They
21:22
Speaker 2: directed it at children and parents were like, oh hell no.
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Speaker 1: Well, and the left frequently can't see itself as culture
21:32
Speaker 1: warriors like y'all are in a cultural war. You're, in
21:35
Speaker 1: fact the aggressors a lot of the time, and they
21:39
Speaker 1: get upset when the culture defends itself. And I think
21:44
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of normal people did on this issue, which,
21:47
Speaker 1: by the way, I should also say I think it's
21:49
Speaker 1: it makes people more upset because the backlash to talking
21:54
Speaker 1: about it is so great on this issue. Abigail Schreyer's book,
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Speaker 1: which she truly bravely wrote called Irreversible horror, irvitual damage,
22:08
Speaker 1: irreversible damage about the increase in trans youth and gender
22:14
Speaker 1: dysphoria and whether that could be a social contagion. Was
22:17
Speaker 1: literally banned at some books, took it off Amazon at
22:23
Speaker 1: one point.
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Speaker 2: Yep, taking off Amazon or moved from Target.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
22:26
Speaker 1: So the actual, the actual book bannings, not the made
22:29
Speaker 1: up ones. The actual backlash to this issue, I think
22:32
Speaker 1: hardened people and made them more annoyed that they weren't
22:36
Speaker 1: allowed to address this. And then Trump just says He's
22:39
Speaker 1: for they, She's for them, I'm for you. I mean,
22:42
Speaker 1: he cuts through all of it.
22:44
Speaker 2: It's impressive and again, great ad, just great conversation starter
22:49
Speaker 2: in so many ways. And Democrats really have to tone
22:53
Speaker 2: all of this down. We'll see whether they actually do that.
22:56
Speaker 1: We'll see whether they'll listen to molten. We we have
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Speaker 1: two back to back our regular segments. I want to
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Speaker 1: give you two of them. One us first.
23:09
Speaker 2: On video balloons just appeared on somehow I triggered that screen.
23:15
Speaker 1: First of all, Still mad bro, where Carol and I
23:20
Speaker 1: bring up stuff that, yes, indeed, we are still mad
23:22
Speaker 1: about even if most of the country has said that
23:25
Speaker 1: we should get over it. And here's a new one.
23:27
Speaker 1: This is from the New York Times, which has graced
23:30
Speaker 1: us with this reporting now after gaslighting us in twenty twenty,
23:35
Speaker 1: Americans started drinking more as the COVID nineteen pandemic got underway.
23:39
Speaker 1: They were stressed, isolated, uncertain the world as they had
23:42
Speaker 1: known it had changed overnight. Two years into disaster, the
23:46
Speaker 1: trend has not abated. Researchers reported on Monday the percentage
23:49
Speaker 1: of Americans who consumed alcohol, which had already risen from
23:52
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen to twenty twenty, and step further in twenty
23:55
Speaker 1: twenty one and twenty two and more people reported heavy
23:58
Speaker 1: or binge drinking. This obviously has a lot of bad
24:02
Speaker 1: cascading effects, Carol. But if we said that in twenty twenty,
24:06
Speaker 1: we were told we were crazy. Right.
24:09
Speaker 2: Schools were closed, liquor stores were open. Obviously. I remember
24:14
Speaker 2: in the first few weeks when it was still sort
24:16
Speaker 2: of a fun, funky time and everybody was home. We
24:20
Speaker 2: were all zoom drinking with our friends. My daughter, who's
24:23
Speaker 2: now fourteen, she was ten at the time, came downstairs
24:26
Speaker 2: and she saw us like having drinks with our friends
24:28
Speaker 2: on zoom, and she was like, are people developing drinking problems?
24:33
Speaker 2: She didn't mean us, because we really don't drink that much,
24:37
Speaker 2: but she immediately was like, this is probably not good
24:39
Speaker 2: for us. She was ten. I swear to god, I
24:41
Speaker 2: tweeted about it so people could know it was true,
24:44
Speaker 2: and it happened at the time, but she saw it right.
24:48
Speaker 2: You're home, you got nothing going on, You're sure, let
24:50
Speaker 2: zoom with our friends and have some whiskey. A lot
24:54
Speaker 2: of the things that happened during the pandemic that we
24:58
Speaker 2: find it very hard to get over. Part of it
25:00
Speaker 2: is why. Part of it is because we're still suffering
25:03
Speaker 2: through a lot of it. A lot of kids still
25:06
Speaker 2: having trouble catching up with their reading because they didn't
25:09
Speaker 2: have school for so long. It makes total sense if
25:11
Speaker 2: you've been drinking in twenty twenty it might not be
25:14
Speaker 2: that easy to stop in twenty twenty four. It's not like, oh, okay,
25:17
Speaker 2: everything went back to normal. I guess I'll drop this
25:19
Speaker 2: bad habit. Sometimes that's really hard to do.
25:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also it also notes we think that what
25:24
Speaker 1: happened during the pandemic was that there were a large
25:26
Speaker 1: number of people who were already in a high risk zone,
25:28
Speaker 1: so to speak, and the pandemic pushed them over the
25:30
Speaker 1: brink into severe illness and death. Doctor Hindershot is who's
25:34
Speaker 1: quoted telling us about that. Well, yeah, that was always
25:38
Speaker 1: a danger, as we said at the time, And the
25:41
Speaker 1: problem with the pandemic is that no one compared dangers,
25:44
Speaker 1: no one compared risks. You were only allowed to think
25:48
Speaker 1: about one kind of risk. And yep, you know, my
25:51
Speaker 1: husband lost a friend to isolation and alcoholism during twenty twenty.
25:56
Speaker 1: It was certainly exacerbated by that, certainly partially caused by lockdowns,
26:03
Speaker 1: and we were not we were told we weren't allowed
26:06
Speaker 1: to be concerned about that. Again with the bullying from
26:09
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and I think it's really sad. You're also
26:12
Speaker 1: gonna love this sentence. Let me find it. The surgeon
26:14
Speaker 1: alcohol consumption Carol was one of several lingering legacies of
26:18
Speaker 1: the pandemic, along with school absenteeism lags and educational attainment
26:23
Speaker 1: arise in overdose deaths and a surge in mental health problems,
26:27
Speaker 1: especially among young people.
26:30
Speaker 2: If only somebody had said something.
26:32
Speaker 1: I'm still a little mad, bro, I am.
26:35
Speaker 2: Will be right back on normally.
26:41
Speaker 1: This isn't in case you missed it, And unfortunately, I
26:43
Speaker 1: think probably most everyone has missed.
26:46
Speaker 2: You bekept this news to me.
26:47
Speaker 1: Well, it got really lost in the election news. The
26:51
Speaker 1: announcement was made October thirty first, and this is the announcement.
26:55
Speaker 1: Do you remember in May when several soldiers were hurt
26:59
Speaker 1: building are working on the Gaza floating peer. Okay, yeah,
27:03
Speaker 1: Well one of them was critically injured, and he's a Columbia,
27:06
Speaker 1: South Carolina native. He goes, he's flown back to the
27:10
Speaker 1: States to get treatment, and he passed away on October
27:13
Speaker 1: thirty first, and it was announced a couple days later,
27:15
Speaker 1: so right next to the election. And I just want
27:19
Speaker 1: to read a little bit about him. His name, So,
27:22
Speaker 1: Sergeant Conderius Devon Stanley, twenty three was one of three
27:26
Speaker 1: US service members hurt May twenty third while working on
27:28
Speaker 1: the temporary floating peer that Biden had announced with great
27:31
Speaker 1: fanfare during his State of the Union address in March.
27:34
Speaker 1: The other two service members thankfully minorly injured and are
27:38
Speaker 1: back to work. But that peer cost up two hundred
27:42
Speaker 1: and thirty million. I'm sure we'll find out later it
27:44
Speaker 1: was more. It lasted from May to early July mid July.
27:50
Speaker 1: It did almost nothing. They claimed that a bunch of
27:53
Speaker 1: humanitarian aid was moved to Gaza, which some of it was,
27:57
Speaker 1: except it got lost because it's there those goods are
28:02
Speaker 1: taken by Hamas and they were raided. And then the
28:06
Speaker 1: peer fell apart at one point in choppy waters because
28:09
Speaker 1: it wasn't even really supposed to be used in a
28:11
Speaker 1: place like the Mediterranean in that spot, and we lost
28:16
Speaker 1: one soldier doing this, which was basically a terrible, unsuccessful
28:20
Speaker 1: photo op to undermine Israel, by the way, because it's
28:25
Speaker 1: saying Israel's not helping getting humanitarian aid there was not.
28:29
Speaker 2: True nonsense, Uh huh.
28:32
Speaker 1: And you know, I went and searched the White House
28:35
Speaker 1: website to see if maybe Karine Jean Pierre had mentioned
28:38
Speaker 1: Quandarius Stanley in any of her announcements or press releases.
28:42
Speaker 1: I cannot find his name on the site, and I
28:45
Speaker 1: just wanted to say, especially as Veterans Day came this week,
28:48
Speaker 1: and obviously it's different, it's not Memorial Day, but I
28:51
Speaker 1: would like to memorialize him and his family, who probably
28:55
Speaker 1: will not be recognized by the White House unless Trump
28:57
Speaker 1: decides to at some point. It's really sad, and it
29:02
Speaker 1: makes me angry that they undertook.
29:04
Speaker 2: This fully agree, and you know, it's sickening that they
29:08
Speaker 2: didn't say his name, and he an American, was lost overseas,
29:12
Speaker 2: an American you know, military member, and we don't even
29:16
Speaker 2: know about it. It's barely a story. It's a really
29:20
Speaker 2: bad sign for a lot of things out of this
29:22
Speaker 2: White House. I don't know. I'm cautiously optimistic, but I
29:27
Speaker 2: really do think I have some faith in the Trump
29:30
Speaker 2: White House that I simply don't in the Biden White House.
29:33
Speaker 1: Well, and this is one of those things where I
29:35
Speaker 1: think too often Democrats are judged by their intentions and
29:38
Speaker 1: Republicans by results, right, and Democrats are given so much
29:42
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt that they tell us over and
29:45
Speaker 1: over again that Biden obviously cares about the troops. He
29:48
Speaker 1: definitely does, except when it comes to the hard stuff
29:52
Speaker 1: like spending time with these families of the Abbey Gate thirteen,
29:57
Speaker 1: for instance, to lifting up those families, recognizing them when
30:01
Speaker 1: it might be a political liability for you. Trump actually
30:05
Speaker 1: has a record of doing that. He brought to maybe
30:07
Speaker 1: seal widow who was to the State of the Union,
30:10
Speaker 1: whose husband was lost on an operation he oversaw right,
30:14
Speaker 1: he has a record of doing that, and Biden doesn't
30:19
Speaker 1: certainly lately, and I find it really offensive. Actually, it's
30:23
Speaker 1: one of the few things I get actually mad about.
30:26
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I agree, there's just there has to be
30:29
Speaker 2: some level of doing the hard work. It's hard, obviously
30:33
Speaker 2: to talk to people who have been lost, the families
30:37
Speaker 2: of people who have been lost on your watch, but
30:39
Speaker 2: it's part of the role of commander in chief and
30:41
Speaker 2: you have to get over it.
30:42
Speaker 1: And do it well. I just wanted to bring that.
30:45
Speaker 1: I know it's a little downway to end this, but
30:47
Speaker 1: I just wanted to acknowledge him.
30:49
Speaker 2: His name his name again.
30:51
Speaker 1: His name is Sergeant Quandarius Stanley, and his officer says
30:55
Speaker 1: was an instrumental and well respected first line leader in
30:57
Speaker 1: the seventh Transportation Brigade Expeditionary, especially during the mission to
31:01
Speaker 1: provide humanitarian assistance to the people. That's from Colonel John
31:04
Speaker 1: Eddie Gray, his unit commander. So I wish we'd heard
31:08
Speaker 1: a little more about him, and I wish that the
31:11
Speaker 1: folks who had him doing that job would acknowledge what
31:13
Speaker 1: he gave.
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