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Talks to the beautiful Frazer Gregory about his choice of The Dominators (5/5) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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commentary podcast where I mr. Joe Ford with my dear dear
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friend Fraser Gregory I'm talking, I think not give you
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permission to speak yet. Sorry, Arturo here, it's like 50
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of the dominators Fraser. I have an immediate question for
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you. It's what is the most explosive
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climax to a doctor who Story? I mean, there is a lot of
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explosions, isn't that there is question, the whole planet
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starts blowing up. It does, I think it must be?
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I mean, I'm big enough for your Brigadier.
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Mmm, will you stop it? Lays?
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Well, you know what? I think I have any flim-flam.
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Let's go in and watch the thing. That's cool.
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Watch then shall we episode 5? If here we go, here we go.
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In five, four, three, two, one. Play a little bit, highly privy
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to the massive bus, stop between showing haseman and Lincoln, but
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this is probably the sort of the most contentious creative
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episode of Doctor. Who isn't it?
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Yeah, it will be, it will be. So they look, so there's there
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was two bus stops. There was the one over the fact
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that he had Sucked off to there. Episodes and squish it and want
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to work himself. That's why Norman Ashby is
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writing this and which is the, it's the names of their
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father-in-law's, put our put together a couple.
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I got to say there's a Norman Ashby, you know, there's left me
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a very kind review on iTunes. Although that's the only other
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thing he wrote after this. Thank you very much.
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Well it got so that was one argument.
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Yes, and the other one was around the salt.
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The Quark rates because the baby, so you'd started license
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and the quarks out and the were appearing and all this media,
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you know, quickly was burning these book.
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And then when he's learning and got wind of it, they kind of
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went straight and said, look, you can't do that without Orson,
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you know, went high up the BBC and it was a fall, it was both
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sides. It wasn't just like you know,
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you've used our stuff without our permission was like well you
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know what you think you're playing at going above my head
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and you know, having a go at me boss how you think you've won.
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Yeah, I would never going to use them again.
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Bruises. So it was, which is a shame
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because they had the concept. I don't know if it was actually
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written the letter, the equipment didn't I, we know it's
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going to be a Jamie Centric story where he was killed I
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believe or Ridley's written hell yeah.
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Yes a bit. If you look back, what they've
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done this which is a classic they've done whether fear which
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is a classic in the you've also got the abdominal snowman so you
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know I are you forgot say that was a classic.
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It's a classic dish. Have you seen animation?
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I know yet. No, it's all right.
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Comes alive in unexpected ways to you know, it's on my
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Christmas list so hopefully I'll get that they've managed to
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correct many of the racial errors that occur are in the
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Abominable. Snowman is a bit troubling that
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pointers in it. So I actually think they're a
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little underrated because I thought oh you're right.
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I think the dominators and the Abominable snowmen people don't
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really focus on very much because it's yet he's in the The
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web of fear. I actually think the web of fear
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is salvaged by some fantastic Direction.
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Yeah. Whereas this a decent
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characterization in the Abominable snowmen and as we've
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discussed as far more going on here than we've ever given it
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credit for. Absolutely.
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I think, you know, without that fallen out you've got the next
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or the first the original Bristol boys.
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You know you've got a team of writers who you know?
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Well they from Bristol the wound but a whole you know, it's that
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sort of Of that sort of stay lean over Bobby and Dave Martin
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who are going to be a safe Pair of Hands.
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Where you going at the 70s even call rate.
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Who am I going to be scripts to will get Lincoln and his men to
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do one because I know that they're going to give us
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something really good. They're going to give us, you
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know, a solid Dependable script that's within budget.
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That's realizable. You know but it's also probably
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going to give us you know another excellent monster you
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know so you can see them running into the seventh He's if well
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not the eighties because GMT would have come and put the stop
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that I bought, certainly the would have had a lot more
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opportunities to to rank for the show.
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I think and leave a much stronger Legacy.
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You know what they've left is with is brilliant, but they
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could have thought. Well, what could I had so much
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more from them as well. People don't generally think
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very much of the Perry's that a pip and Jane Baker.
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Bob Baker date. Mart in this pair.
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Yeah. It's it's It's funny bull.
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I don't see why why not? I mean you know, pip and Jane or
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that the giant the bothered by the enjoyment of all Harold.
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You know that sort of enjoyment. Jesus Christ.
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I'm not jumping into no but you know what the script?
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Yeah. I mean they are they are the so
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you have he has been a Lincoln in the 60s you have the Bristol
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Boys in the 70s. He then go in the eighties with
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you know Pippin gin and the very much a bit of a fashion.
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You know, sort of bury you unique sort of writers, you
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know, you know you're getting a Pippen Gene story when you watch
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it. You know what it is?
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You see those fires? I don't mean disparagingly,
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reliable, reliable, don't know up hitting hands.
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You get Legacy your ear. They are you, you know, The
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identifiable as scripts from by Pippen Jim Baker, they are
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easily formable. They are let you see ones that
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you don't need to worry. Both there's ones like, as a
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script editor that you would go right there, we have written
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that. Let's have a quick look at it.
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I do need a change. Much about this awesome.
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I can let them crack on. I'll send them off to another
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draft while. I really focus on something.
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Like, I don't do in the bannermen or Bob Viper.
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A Dave mind, it was more. A case of, oh my God, how the
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hell are we gonna do this? This start with what, you know,
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the the then Frasier. I was the invisible enemy this
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way. Alright is ambitious.
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Yeah. And it's okay, we need to try
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and pawn awesome. You know, when you think of
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where the started off with the giant flaming skull London in
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Hyde Park, You know, they learn, they learn what they can, and
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can't rate what they should and shouldn't, wait very quick, very
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early on indeed learn what, what they can get away with and how
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far that can kind of push, what's doable in the, do the do
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push their not like when you see a safe and reliable, the safe
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and reliable in as much as you know, you're going to get some
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quality from that, they're not safe and reliable.
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As much as I know that I can just take my eyes off that, it's
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going to come in and it's going to be Oh God.
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Wait, what we're doing now? How we're going to be like this,
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you know, things like you know, the three doctors where it
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starts and you might the universe and I need this is you
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can just cut out a door of a laboratory.
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You know what happen when even when funniest joke about Bob,
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Jake and Doma is when they went right fine, we're being too
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ambitious. We've given you, the invisible
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enemies group. We're going to write on the
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world and we're going to set it in a load of caves because
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that's how a doctor who can do. Ooh well.
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Oh dear yes. But I do think as world and I
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feel all three of those pairings, they're aware that
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they're writing for kids. Yeah.
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Well, yeah, archive and that's a bad thing.
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I just saw a sequence say where Jamie was tying a bit of fabric
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around the course legs to trip him up that has not been geared.
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Adults, I'm doing you know, And I do think that is something
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that should always be there. In the back of your mind is that
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you don't write it specifically for kids.
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Be aware that they're watching. Yeah.
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Yeah, definitely. It's I think it's where
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Hinchcliffe and homes kind of fell down at times was was
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forgetting your, no Whispering contains that there were well, I
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would probably had more of it. At least as well.
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Patiently occasionally is, you know, that it is it is for kids
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but at the same time, you know, let's not underestimate what
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kids can and can't you don't get away with what we can and can't,
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you know, show kids because when you'd make it too much for the
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kids in go in, go the other way and be like, really simplistic
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me actually. Well, yeah, laughing, there's a
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few examples, a lot as well. What's occurring in the
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dominators phrases, so the doctor until we've escaped from
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the Domino ship, the figured out, the plan, the dominators
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are drilling holes. What we're going to do is going
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to drink a big shaft obviously you know got the VHS of the
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Dalek master plan. Dalek invasion of Earth out
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because they're going to drop a bomb down the shaft.
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It's going to explode the the planet, the size.
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So it is cracked like an egg and turn it off big mess of magma
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but that's going to be radioactive because I'm going to
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drop the big radioactive bomb in it.
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Well, I think we think that's not going to happen you know
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like we're not going to those volcanoes aren't going to erupt.
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Yeah, yeah. But him but again who comes up
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with the idea of Hope. Stop them.
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Was it Jamie. It's Jimmy, Jimmy says, well why
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don't? I just got to catch the bomb and
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the way down. You know what, I still think
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some of this is being written as comedy, you know, the female
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don't see in there. When anyway, they've decided
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that we're unsuitable for slave labor.
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So there are Going to leave us here alone when they go and
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Jericho's know they've actually said that you're going to die
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along with the planet. There's no way that I've been
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written as a joke. I'm saying are we go is a doctor
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doing a bit of techno Babble now.
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Yeah, so the doctors explained in the plot now with these
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chalk. That's very nice.
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You again for the kids. I feel like they're at school.
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Okay, firing Rockets through the magma into the molten core.
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Al to release what this great gash of energy.
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Yeah. And that'll suck it all up and
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that's how the flea. Yeah.
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So the idea is it's just going to be sort of like a service
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station for the Dominator flipping, just swoop in Refuel
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on radiation. Swoop off again for stopping him
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doing that in episode 2. That's what they've been doing.
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Open the been building up to it. So all they've been drilling.
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I've never been called the arguments between Fargo and
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toolbar is that because the quarks, as we've seen with
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quickie, whose once again on charge is that, you know, the
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the batteries one flat on a quark quite quickly.
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So the need to save that energy for doing the drilling and all
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this going off and shooting the Rover.
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Workforce is a waste of precious resource so they need all the
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time. They've been doing This drilling
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so that they can, you know, do this plan but we just don't know
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what the plan is. We've never know what the plan
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is up until up until now. But also as well, they want to
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because they've got, they've asked been about time, are
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drilling down blah blah blah. They want to test the Dulce has
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to see. Actually, are they going to be a
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threat to us? Yeah.
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It has the doctor. And then they go to the city of
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tested. The door.
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Seems they've tested them to say, well, actually, all these
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going to be a threat come, we'll just ignore them and crack on
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with, like, yes, we can because they are hippies essentially.
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What are they looking for? A double whammy on my, they want
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to Slaves if they have again. The have been testing them,
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they've been getting them to move all these rocks around and
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said, well, actually, if they're not a threat up, can we be
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useful? Could we take enslave this
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planet and use them as a slave Workforce?
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No, actually the little the too feeble bloody hippies, he's good
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for nothing. Hippies all we're gonna do is
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leave them kinda blew up. So did you see Trout the space
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there when he is? like just a little bit of
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chemistry you know we could we could have blow them up so he's
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going to ETA is definitely what I think of We're the second dog,
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sir. Yes, little fucking and I kissed
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destroying things. Here we go.
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Here's the first use of the the sonic screwdriver for doing
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something other than being a screwdriver.
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Ms was using it to cut through, cut through the wall.
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That's another good physical effect.
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Look at that. Yeah, I don't think it looks as
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good when the Daleks cut for a wall, right off the card.
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Dogs going through a wall. Do that looks almost everything.
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That's a classic affect. The Daleks cutting through.
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Daleks don't cut through enough things.
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Anyone and you see these for me, they did that.
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That lovely moment with Linda of Hawaii.
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Did the did, yes. Oh, that's marvelous.
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Yeah. That was really good, but, you
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know, you just don't see Daleks cut through things enough.
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When I say, I've been shall endure forever.
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Why a lot of this lately? You know, she must be a very
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memorable character. I'm glad Clique when he's awake
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because I feel as if the cops are gonna have a terrible time
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soon. Well, yes.
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Jimmy and cool. You're going to go full full
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DieHard know Jamie. I can see it it off.
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A Kang Seoul s so he's obviously feeling for it.
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You got Zoe in the doctor doing a bit of science here but you
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know. Absolutely.
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But they're making bombs. Yeah, always a terror.
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This is I love this, but you're all you've got to do is put this
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tablet encounter 10 and then it's going to explode.
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And so we sit in a gun Nine, eight, seven, six, five, four.
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I've heard you got to do it otherwise you'll blow up as
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well. Look around.
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This is what you miss having these episodes.
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You miss bits like that, don't you?
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Because how would you ever animate that?
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I would you ever? Yeah, you'll hold you even know
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to animate that. Your nephew.
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Wanted to fucking tickle, wouldn't even ormus arms or that
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bizarre animation. They had in the web of fear when
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they look like balloon people. Or again, what was that all
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about? Well, again, it's, it's what we
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said about, you know, the CSO and underworld, you know.
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It's it's a new way of doing stuff.
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So can I just say are things to work?
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That might be a quickie on the right of that bit of equipment
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there. And all he's doing is sort of
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wobbling and his arms are moving about, really excitedly bless
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him. Oh no, I don't want to watch
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this not Quark assassinations. Oh, oh no, he's quick.
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He's drunk, man, down man, down. They also go to take off.
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The battlefield. Are you all right, mate?
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Three for one. I could see as, you know, that
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sort of packaging, you get that polystyrene.
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Yeah, I think he was made out of that.
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That's what. But yeah, that he was, this is,
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this is really good because, you know, this is the point where,
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you know, toolbar has been right all along two of us been, they
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got, we need to these are destroying quarks the, you know,
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causing a nuisance were neither exterminate them.
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For want of a better word in, this is coming.
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As I say, yeah, you can do it off, you go.
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Well, no, he's learned his lesson now.
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He's like through all that. Long.
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He's been like should destroy them which destroy them in.
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Rock has been dope. See if the energy and now it's
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like it's going to come back and bite them on the ass.
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Whatever that is that point two of us learned his lesson so they
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closed our like, oh I seriously. Don't know said no, I'm going to
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steam drill. I'm going to stay in jail when
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again you know, if the actually listen to the toolbar and just
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wipe them out as soon as they saw them, the bag with
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virtually, there's one would work.
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Yeah. You know what the bit where you
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know he looks sort of downcast every time he goes, you know.
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I want to kill them and it's like, no, you won't kill them.
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That is pure like sitcom acting. Isn't it?
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Where it's just like, oh my word.
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All I believe a new question is just materialized, you know you
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know is gone hit me would the story be better if it had a
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musical score could Dudley Simpson have made it better.
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Well I mean we spent five episodes questioning whether
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this could be better at all we think is marvelous.
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Yeah I really like the sort of ambient music that plays in this
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it's the same music that's in the web Planet, isn't it?
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It's is it I think it is. You know, I think I can It's
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just sort of like stop music as a nipple.
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It's it is its atmospheric, it's not your Dudley, something would
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come in and give you a score, wouldn't you would give you
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something that you knew was that be?
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I know we keep talking about that same to Iraq.
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I do burn episode 4. There's this sort of like,
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Confluence of weird electronic sounds that plays over there
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with a sort of heartbeat go in as well.
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Yeah. And our for scored be as
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dramatic. I think maybe he's not goodly
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Simpson. Maybe it's like a trust him
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carry sort of soundscape. Good work.
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It would accentuate the weirdness?
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Yeah, a bit about that might work.
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I think. Even at the stage in Dudley's
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Courier, he's years been a bit more experimental.
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He's not just like horrible of the week that, you guess his
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scores in season 6 artery though, even even like the space
18:10
pirates. I think the ice Warriors is the
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one again come about. The I suppose is the one you've
18:16
just got this sort of him. Whoo.
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Yeah. That's you know that sort of
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thing I don't think is going to add anything to this this story.
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But like you say that's just sort of ambient background, more
18:34
like a soundscape would work very well think.
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Oh, Jim Holland. He's come up with a question.
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I want to ask you this one. Go on then when Rusty Davis,
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does the long-awaited TV sequel to this story?
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You should it be called the Quark in space and And or sorry,
18:49
the Quark in space. I because you have to say it
18:51
that way for the jokes interior and is the time, right?
18:55
For these little chaps to finally break free of their
18:58
Dominator rulers em. Well, I'm very sorry to
19:02
disappoint you by Lambie but we know that the Crocs are coming
19:04
back and they're going to be back on Sunday in the power of
19:07
the doctor and you know everything, that's a fact.
19:11
Well everything will seem in the tree line is it's going to
19:13
happen the first 20 minutes or so.
19:14
And then the rest of the episode is just, you know, the doctor on
19:18
the farm fight in the car. Until the last 10 minutes
19:20
regeneration. And we know they had the lost on
19:23
Gallifrey boys, stroking your ego over these comments.
19:26
You know, I've been basically oh my God phrases of Judah, is he
19:33
can stay. And we know that after that
19:38
we'll have the 60th anniversary special, which is going to be
19:41
the day of the quacks between David Tennant, and then we know
19:45
that she got was first. Episode will be the power of the
19:48
quarks. So, hey, it's gonna be amazing.
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I was a little companion is going to begin work for the next
19:55
couple of years. Absolutely.
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You know, some pain is ways that are draining my electricity, he
20:00
just needs to make sure that that Briggs doesn't get in and
20:04
steal a voice. We saw in our mission is to make
20:07
sure he gets his voice in there. Oh no, come on.
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Let's get Briggs as props here. Equate Corky, get it accurate.
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He does do it. Well, it would be interesting.
20:15
I'll give him that. Here was a moment there between
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Jamie and Carl. It's like, leave me.
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It's like a war film. Now, she colors the wounded
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heroic Soldier lesser isn't a terrible time in this, you know,
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Kajol, bullied enslaved. Fire that coming out on top and
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I think it's, I'll beg your pardon.
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He were to stop it em. But, you know, it's a good good
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example for those bold. And middle-aged men that you
20:50
can't be a hero. You don't have to be young and
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young and her street like phrase.
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I hain't you can be a hero like our that cocks.
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Who are you? You me a middle-aged.
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I know if one of us is pulled in no you got fired her hair going
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on there honestly. Thank you stop your missus just
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over there. What's going on?
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So the see device stoppie I've never heard that one before.
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Jesus. Have you ever done that before?
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No, I have not answered as he device know that a few times.
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Hi, Lucy. Facts of the brick, Lucy.
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Yeah, and you're here now. So I'll just say stop it.
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Fraser. All right.
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Oh this is it, this is it, he's got it.
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So what is it? It's a this is the form that
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they Going to drop into the core, so they've got five shots.
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They've got the four rocket shops that are fire Rockets down
21:56
those ones, which is going to blow the crust of the planet and
22:00
your turn it into like molten stew.
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Yeah. And then they've got the seed
22:05
device, which is the one that's going to turn the all the
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volcanoes radioactive and give them the into this.
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If you are writable Source. Yes of energy on a Maria power,
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unimaginable power. So so what I've done is they've
22:21
got totaled a shaft across to catch the the sea device as it
22:27
falls. And now the doctor is going to
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go and carry honest. Let's talk about another phase
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has all good friend, Simon, heart, always tells us.
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There's no new stories have been cherry-picking from the first
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two. Dalek story do this every night.
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It's available. Oh my God, this is hilarious.
22:46
And they like right we're off - a blowout.
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But I don't realize the bomb, it's actually despite shape
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that's Patrick troughton clearly Patrick troughton clearly.
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No one else I so marvelous. I mean it I mean I've been
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putting out the comedy for out this.
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Look at this is covered up beyond that quark and role in
23:04
the bombing you know it. Yeah because you know years a
23:08
comedy actor is Patrick troughton, you will you know get
23:11
as much entertainment and laugh out of what he's doing is as
23:15
possible and then that is that He's stuck in the door just
23:20
literally clapped his hand. Like, you know, you Works
23:25
everything for as much as button again.
23:26
It that's why it works. That's why this series season
23:30
works as well. It's because those three are
23:32
having so much fun all the time even when she do, they remind me
23:36
of I they were on were just kids.
23:38
Yeah. Having Adventures.
23:39
You know, they all feel that they've got the emotional
23:42
intelligence of kids as well then.
23:44
Like they're very reactive. The bring a nice model shop of
23:47
the ship tick. Knopf and the legs going back up
23:50
into it. Oh, dear.
23:56
Are we so happy? I can't believe he got stuck in
23:59
that door. I can't believe they went there,
24:04
most of the ship started taking off as well, bugger it Tear
24:09
right there. So this is it.
24:10
We don't actually go back to the Dawson's at all.
24:13
Do we know nor done now, we've kind of done their bit and this
24:17
is the funniest bit of all. Stop the count, the hell?
24:19
No, boom. It's quite alright.
24:27
Jimmy the planet. See if I, but we're not doctor.
24:30
It's you know what it is. A satisfying conclusion, isn't
24:35
it? It really is.
24:37
It uses all the elements they were going to do to do terrible
24:40
things. This planet to defeat them.
24:42
It's more of a cliffhanger than I thought as well.
24:45
Because it's like it ends more on more of a cliffhanger because
24:48
it's all that was going to be a localized explosion bit of
24:50
volcanoes a and that's where it cuts.
24:52
So you are going to be like, okay what happens next week then
24:56
is this the sixth episode of the dominators or the first episode
24:59
of the mind Robert. Which what's very interesting is
25:05
that how that molten lava which we just saw, as stock footage
25:09
looking very like molten lava becomes this sort of
25:13
watered-down marshmallows at the - my trouble is it the full
25:17
machine as the for machine? I believe it might be.
25:21
But yeah I mean it we've got a bit left over from from Fury of
25:24
the deep. You want a bit, it was a pocket
25:28
or two awesome. What we're going to do with this
25:31
job lat? Well, I'll tell you what, script
25:33
coming up, oh, you're not going to be this way?
25:39
Yeah, I'm sorry folks, we got to retire the machine.
25:42
There are made some just stocked up.
25:45
You're gonna have to use the lot right out loud.
25:48
I will try and behave but there will be white stuff all over the
25:52
set our card promise. When we do see to death I'm
25:54
going to be behave too much. Okay okay we'll look would you
26:00
do me a favor please and quick. He's here back now you can hear
26:05
him. I mean you can't all be edited,
26:07
nice out. But for all intents and purposes
26:10
you can in fact hear him. So would you please ask him now
26:14
about His Greatest Adventure of all before land, this is
26:19
directly. Before he went to Portobello
26:22
road, I'll pick him up so quickiy.
26:24
What was your greatest adventure of all?
26:28
Okay, now I got a fright. Really gotta free.
26:36
You're kidding me. What are you ready for this?
26:40
I'm ready for this year. He spent a little time on
26:43
Gallifrey? Yeah, as a cleanup robot.
26:46
This was the work he did. After a failed invasion of the
26:50
planet by all accounts, the quarks flooded the capital and
26:56
were fitted with bombs, But unfortunately they failed to go
27:00
off. No, I mean, that sounds like a
27:03
terribly exciting story of invasion of time move over, I'll
27:06
come on, imagine the pork filling the panopticon, that
27:09
would be amazing, imagine turning around, it's not
27:17
sometimes, it's quacks, honestly, I think the thing that
27:22
we have proven, though is a within this spinoff material
27:28
Have lakes. The have the really have got
27:30
legs and flap your arms and like I said, it the being made the
27:35
most of I mean we know which they will make it a bit of a
27:39
joke about big finish and how they will.
27:41
You do literally turn a sentence into a six-part box set but you
27:50
know that the Crocs haven't you heard they have you know gone
27:54
out there despite the limitations of When they've
27:58
actually been on screen and they have, you know, spread and
28:01
succeeded throw out, you know you look at some like the
28:04
mechanoids who were sort of brought in to be yeah, you know
28:08
the next sort of quarks And the tried with that and it didn't
28:11
really take off I think if they had pushed the quacks a bit
28:14
more, you know, it would really have got there that would really
28:17
of further question we should be asking is why the fuck they
28:21
haven't turned up in the new series yet?
28:23
Obviously having for some I do because I've seen I have seen do
28:27
like a reed. Redesigned Quark for the Modern
28:30
Age. Google.
28:32
Have you seen it? Or is it got like proper legs in
28:34
a proper body in? No, no, okay.
28:37
I'll show you once we're done with this, right?
28:38
I'll put it up with the marketing.
28:40
It's actually, it's quite faithful to the original, but it
28:43
looks at just a little deadlier. The original you looking for
28:48
him. Are you talking about right now?
28:49
Yeah, or Creed the same. Is this the end of the picture
28:56
of it on Google is that it? Yeah.
29:04
It's a bit em. It's cool box.
29:07
Blitzer. Always a kittycat.
29:09
You think the deadliest creature in the Galaxy?
29:12
Yeah, that one I can. I don't know if that.
29:16
Is it, you know? Hang on a minute.
29:19
I don't know if that is a thing. Oh, there's one that looks like
29:22
the race skating and they've got like problems and whatnot.
29:26
Oh my God, look at this one here for, I've got, this is a very
29:28
indulgent giving, we're doing an audio commentary, but then look
29:32
from the, from the comic strips. Oh yes, it's a quark Army.
29:38
Oh man. Now I don't think that was the
29:40
one I was talking about. You do you know what I was
29:42
talking about? Is this is the originals just
29:45
done as a very beautiful picture.
29:47
Oh yeah. Glistening domes yes.
29:50
That is the, the original and the best.
29:53
It is it is Fraser Joe. I don't think it's going to take
29:59
you any brain power at all. To give me three reasons as to
30:02
why people should go watch the dominators.
30:04
And frankly, I think we've done a fair amount of encouragement.
30:07
Judgmental ready. However, that is the format of
30:10
this is the format. Yes.
30:12
So number one, off you go. Number one would be the Crocs
30:16
bugger it because of what we've literally just talked about the
30:21
quarks being such a fantastic design.
30:23
Such a memorable, design of one that has endured a one that has,
30:27
you know, spread into the, the rest of the Doctor Who universe
30:31
as it were, and the expanded universe, and all the other bits
30:35
of media that, that we We've discussed in and obviously
30:39
because you know quick he's just sat right next to you and I
30:41
can't not say nice things about them.
30:43
Exactly it go to bed. Very unhappy tonight I'm going
30:47
to do something a little less obvious and I'm going to save
30:49
the script and I think anybody thought I was going to say that
30:53
and that is because I think we've identified really funny
30:58
moments for out this story. Yeah, I will repeat.
31:02
I don't think it's always directed for the laughs.
31:05
Yeah. You can see them.
31:08
The fellow he says, have you got an appointment of your Invasion?
31:10
I mean, that is gold. Yeah, if that was in the great
31:13
Williams times, I'm gonna be played to the heaven that show
31:18
but also as well that it is doing something intelligent with
31:22
the theme of pacifism. Whether it Deming it or not,
31:26
it's there. And it is a small plot on the,
31:32
on the part of the dominators. It does resolve itself in a
31:35
satisfying way. I don't know if it would have
31:39
stretched 26, but as five, I think there's enough there to
31:43
keep it chugging along. Definitely, like I said, I think
31:47
in the right hands, it could go to six, you know, put it in, you
31:51
know, give give Thames another unit to find his feet.
31:53
He could make that six for you. What?
31:55
No mega-structure plot out of ten, you know?
31:58
Absolutely, my second thing is going to be the direction then
32:04
because other thing I'd expect an olive oil and I think - I
32:08
wouldn't have said that if it's asked, is at the start, but
32:10
haven't watched it now and having the conversation with
32:12
you, you know where we have been, you know, particularly
32:14
looking for things. I think the direction for most
32:17
Barry does stand out a bit more than it should do the Legacy.
32:21
There's a lot more interesting stuff going on there.
32:24
There's more good angles. And, you know, well, framed
32:28
shots, and nice close-ups done then.
32:32
Actually, you would people have probably given it credit for the
32:35
past so it's another one that I'm going to go back in.
32:37
Next time I'll we watch this. I'm going to be paying a lot
32:39
more attention to to the direction because I really do
32:43
think, you know, especially with how he shoots Rago particularly
32:48
you're at a lot to it. I think with these old-fashioned
32:52
directors, there is like a they lean into the theatrical side of
32:59
directing but I think it's worth remembering that can be very
33:02
stylish as well when done well, definitely definitely.
33:06
Okay, so then my next Is going to pay sorry the the trio of the
33:12
dr. Jamie and Zoe.
33:15
It's my favorite second doctor lineup.
33:19
I didn't realize what a great showing for Jamie this was until
33:22
you pointed out all those things and you're absolutely right and
33:25
in fact I probably his best showing this year actually and
33:30
raise the height is fairly critical about this on the
33:33
commentary but I think maybe if he looked at the nuts and bolts
33:36
of it he's been given a lot. To do.
33:38
Yeah, I do. He's lusting after that can do
33:40
as well for most of it. I mean, that's part of Jamie's.
33:43
Current document doesn't know I'm lost in after Fraser Island
33:45
so, you know, fair enough. So I think it is, I don't think
33:51
on the right. I think people love that.
33:52
S dr. Jamie Zoe.
33:53
I'm sorry it is one of the best lineups.
33:57
Yeah and I think what we need to do also bear in mind which we
34:01
haven't discussed is that this is is always first story.
34:04
This is yeah this is him. You know, when he probably has
34:08
been introduced in the wheel space and then get it to carry
34:10
on into this and the main Robin, this production block.
34:12
So technically this is her first real one out as a is a
34:15
companion. And there's a was a stark
34:17
difference between her and Victoria.
34:20
You know, Victoria who has been a very reluctant companion whose
34:23
you know, always been on the verge of tears and a lot of
34:27
other stories you know it goes. It's a repeated again, isn't it?
34:32
Smell and Perry. You know, that change, that
34:37
shift from someone who doesn't always seem like the want to be
34:39
in the Tardis to someone who is bursting out the doors and see
34:42
and wait, where's the next adventure?
34:43
Where the we go? And that really comes across
34:46
Brazil because she is so proactive, in this story, she is
34:50
very much well, okay, you going to are going, I'm going to go to
34:53
town with him and I'm gonna yeah, and well we need to do
34:56
this now. And you know, she she's doing a
34:59
lot, you know, for someone who was little you just stepped from
35:03
one world. Into another altar is had seen
35:06
the Rogue one of the evil of the Daleks extra kudos for the
35:09
moment where Wendy, Pat, Barry has to be, pretended to be stuck
35:12
against a wall with a look of horror on her face and you can
35:15
literally see her thinking what's happened to my career.
35:18
Honestly, this is what I'm doing.
35:20
So I think the best thing we see is that one in the invasion
35:24
where she's figuring out all the calculations to destroy all the
35:28
spaceships. And then the next day, she's
35:29
flirting outrageously with all the soldiers online.
35:32
You can be cooler, honestly. Okay, well, back to you.
35:35
So my third favorite thing about this, I'm going to pick the
35:39
dulcian society which I've talked a lot about and I think
35:42
that's like I said, it's supposed to be a hippies are bad
35:46
and going but it doesn't it doesn't really learned that way
35:57
for me. I think they were fascinating,
35:58
you know? Like, aliens of the week Society
36:03
of the week that you get, you know, it can be really difficult
36:07
to build a world and build a fleshed-out society, where you
36:10
actually, you don't understand people's motivations and the way
36:14
they do things without it being spelled out your.
36:15
But in this I think the really done it.
36:18
Well, it's, you know, you can see say that hubris, you know,
36:21
you go from like, you know, the partnership of the Boris
36:24
Johnson's. You go to the Council of the
36:27
Greeks, you go to the hall, you know, you can't.
36:30
Save our planet, without an appointment.
36:32
You know, piazza's never gets old.
36:34
All right. No, it just runs through with
36:36
hubris. And what's really you're
36:39
planning on invading us? Well, I shall write that down
36:41
and we're notepads. Oh yeah, the door syrians are on
36:46
my third thing. Okay.
36:48
Well it's your are going to cheat and say, two things from
36:51
my last one. Is that right?
36:52
No, we'll just do for 1500. Okay, well then, my third one is
36:57
the sets of berry Newberry who offers Gleaming 1950s.
37:02
Space cities. Yes, he offers us fabric with
37:05
1950s fly the sources. Yep.
37:09
I'm gonna say 1960s psychedelia within the Flying Saucer.
37:14
Yeah, that wonderful I just love that hexagonal set.
37:17
Okay, it's getting blown to pieces and they could just take
37:19
the few pics in terms of and show.
37:22
I think very new be did some extremely imaginative work for
37:26
other 60s. I think he very often did the
37:30
Historical sales. Yeah.
37:32
If I'm not mistaken and he very rarely touched, this might be
37:35
one of his last, you know? But it just goes to show that he
37:40
wasn't Running on Empty. His imagination was still on
37:43
fire and this is a lot more visually interested than people
37:47
give it credit for. Definitely, absolutely.
37:50
It's right. Number four, I'm going to pick
37:52
the dominators themselves. Well, I'll go and tour before
37:56
the very essentially are the dominators European way.
37:59
You know, I just love the design of them.
38:04
They serve, they can make Toby, he took pointed out that sort of
38:07
like to Deborah's Frankenstein. This esque makeup that one of
38:12
the islands given, which really lets get some highlight the sort
38:15
of intensity and that burns in Rago and Kenneth odds with his
38:22
just gleeful sort of It is MM as well.
38:27
So the to count as a portal, a fully need, the costumes are
38:30
brilliant to just look so alien. But, you know, straight away
38:33
then walk out. Those are the bad guys and then
38:36
the just the dynamic between them, this whole sort of
38:38
bickering, you know, Superior, under than, who doesn't really
38:45
do what you supposed to do, when you do, you just don't get that
38:49
in other stories. You know, you don't get sort of
38:52
ice Warriors, sort of, you know? Challenging like who's in
38:56
command? You don't get like yet.
38:57
He's fallen out with each other. You generally get the one
39:00
characterize villain. Yeah.
39:02
Oh yeah, you don't get to yeah. You know, spurned lovers like in
39:09
the workplace that's happening as well.
39:11
If I mix work and sex, you know, then the dominators explains.
39:14
Why? Okay, well then my next choice
39:18
is cultured what I'm going to say the Practical effects
39:20
because as we are watching this, I was seeing quarry's being
39:23
blown up, Xbox is being blown up walls, being melted, your flames
39:28
shooting across all over the by. That's a lot going on there, you
39:31
know, for end of season. There's a bit of money on the
39:34
screen, and I think no, really looks at the 60s for the special
39:38
effects, but we're kinda heading in that direction where people
39:41
are looking at Doctor, Who for a special effects.
39:44
So have rather low to the event, Tape.
39:47
The last thing. I'll pick then it.
39:48
Is it going to be Cully, Uncle. Oh God.
39:52
Yeah. I like, I like, I like that
39:54
color. Isn't your normal action hero?
39:57
That is not in that mold of topic pecs, you know, packs, the
40:03
muscle-bound young, what it's supposed to be supposed to heal.
40:06
Ya years, that sort of like bald and not, he's not quite
40:10
middle-aged, but he's he's not the sort of, he's not like a
40:14
teenager, he's an old account with With, he hasn't got the
40:17
physique that you would expect with an action here or, you
40:20
know, and it kind of speaks to one that society that this is
40:25
the type of people that Society. This is the hero that they would
40:28
produce and but organic, it's like we're not hollyoaks, you
40:32
know, we don't need big flash. You know everyone kind of our
40:36
now though, aren't we? We all know, you know, you
40:38
wouldn't you wouldn't get away with this.
40:40
Who Would You cast now as colley-urquhart snow was cool.
40:43
He's also of overweight balding. Rambo om was good.
40:51
A bit me really in here, know what you call him.
40:54
He'll plead Alonzo in Voyage of the Damned.
41:00
Russell Tovey? Yeah, he would do good.
41:02
Are you meet a good Kali? No.
41:04
I mean if you were going to cast an overweight boarding actor now
41:11
to play this role of anybody, if I was gonna reconfigure video of
41:15
her Jaws open, you were going to it.
41:16
Sort of the brine Glover sort of Acts.
41:18
Oh yeah, yeah. But I think we're sort of, you
41:21
know, he's a little bit older would probably have that swim
41:25
sort of stale about a like, I'm Not your typical Action Hero but
41:31
so I'm going to dirt fly about that quarry on his enormous
41:33
ears. I could all jump on his back.
41:36
Okay, well my last thing is sorry I had to make you wince at
41:39
least one last time before we go is you Fraser Gregory and the
41:47
fact that you have Champions this story to such an extent, we
41:52
Stockholm syndrome with it and I've started to enjoy the thing.
41:58
No, I think I think celebrating the what are considered turkeys
42:05
in Doctor Who if one of the best things that you do and is one of
42:11
the best things this podcast Styles and it's you bring those
42:14
two things together yet. Man you got fucking all yellow
42:18
gold. Thank God very kind of in that
42:21
is exactly what I'm trying to do with you know Champion it and
42:25
make people look at it a different way and go actually.
42:27
Yeah. You know I've written it off in
42:30
the past for whatever reason but if we go and look at it from a
42:32
different angle or that way or for consider this element then
42:35
actually it'll stand up a bit better than there.
42:37
Wasn't some people, lots will be like agree with us until be
42:40
ruach. Know, I've listened to you for
42:43
three hours now and I'm still not convinced.
42:46
But, can you hear that? It's a quickly.
42:49
No, I think it's the sound of all the cellophane wrapping
42:52
coming off the dominators. DVDs in the back of listening to
42:55
our commentary. Yes.
42:58
That's why I've always said, you know if if me talking about it
43:01
makes you want to go and watch it again and have another think
43:03
about it. Then you're done.
43:06
Your work is done. My work is done.
43:07
Even if one person just goes out and goes, you know what,
43:10
actually able to knit from her, the five or six into a seven or
43:13
eight or 10 to 1 with 3 over for whatever that's that's job done
43:17
for me. I'll Fraser your work has barely
43:21
begun my friend. And on that note, I mean, always
43:26
skipping into the another series six epic.
43:29
After this we possibly over. Keep seeing that me you inside.
43:34
I've been promising it now for a mums, where are you?
43:37
And I going next. Oh, I think we've threatened to
43:40
go to trenzalore haven't work. Oh, fucking hell.
43:47
He said, tell me. You think that's an
43:48
all-conquering classic. I wouldn't go that far, but I
43:52
think it's, it's, there's more in it.
43:54
It to enjoy than again. Most people will think, I'll
43:58
tell you what. If you can turn my head on the
44:00
Dominator is, let's see what you can do.
44:03
A Time of the Doctor Who, let's give it a go.
44:06
Looking forward to it. Me too.
44:43
I'm sure I can do it quicker. I'm sure I can do it quicker.