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Sharri | 10 December · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening, massive show tonight, I've got leaked ABC emails,
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Speaker 2: Whipper will join me live and Alban Easy shown to
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Speaker 2: be a copycat. Here's what's coming up. Leaked ABC emails
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Speaker 2: exposed bias at the broadcaster. How a Palestinian mother told
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Speaker 2: the ABC her son was alive, but they reported he'd
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Speaker 2: been killed anyway. This huge story coming up. Green Senator
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Speaker 2: Marine Ferruki charges taxpayers for her family member to fly
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Speaker 2: to Melbourne where she attended a pro Palestinian protest. I'll
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Speaker 2: speak about that with Michael Kroger and Albin Ezi takes
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Speaker 2: credit for policy that wasn't his idea. Whipper, who led
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Speaker 2: the campaign for the social media ban, will be on
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Speaker 2: the show, but first tonight you couldn't miss Alban Easy
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Speaker 2: today king his world leading social media ban for kids.
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Speaker 2: He'd even invited Oprah to attend his press conference and
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Speaker 2: thought perhaps she'd give him her Royal endorsement. She didn't
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Speaker 2: turn up. Now, Albaneze likes to pretend this was all
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Speaker 2: his idea, but it wasn't. It was Peter Dutton who
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Speaker 2: announced a social media ban for teenagers a full three
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Speaker 2: months before Albanese did. Now, the Prime Minister did give
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton some credit today, but only for supporting his legislation.
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Speaker 3: I do want to acknowledge as well, Peter Dutton on
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Speaker 3: a daylight today. This legislation passed the parliament last year
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Speaker 3: with bipartisan support.
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Speaker 2: And that's Sam Kutzba, because what Albaneze failed to mention
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Speaker 2: is that his policy was Dutton's idea. And in fact,
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Speaker 2: when the Coalition put forward a trial social media ban,
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Speaker 2: the Albanezy government at first voted against it. In fact,
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Speaker 2: in April last year, then Shadow Communications Minister David Coleman
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Speaker 2: first spoke about an age limit for children. In this
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Speaker 2: article in the Cinney Morning Herald titled Coalition pushes compulsory
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Speaker 2: age limits for social media. Coleman said the Coalition says
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Speaker 2: young children should be blocked from social media to protect
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Speaker 2: them from violent content, and age verification should be made compulsory.
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Speaker 2: A month after that, the news papers kicked off their
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Speaker 2: campaign and David Coleman explained his policy on the ABC
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Speaker 2: the next month.
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Speaker 4: I mean, we can come to technically how that would work,
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Speaker 4: but in principle you're saying what age should kids not
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Speaker 4: beyond social media yeah.
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Speaker 5: We Look, we've said we don't really see why kids
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Speaker 5: under sixteen need to be on social media. But you
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Speaker 5: know what, we'll have more to say about that in
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Speaker 5: the future.
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Speaker 4: So the coalition is essentially arguing kids under sixteen you
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Speaker 4: would like to ban from social media.
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Speaker 5: Well, look, we've said we don't see why kids under
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Speaker 5: sixteen should be on social media, David. Different people have
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Speaker 5: different views on the age, but bottom line is little
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Speaker 5: kids should not be on social media.
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Speaker 2: And Peter Darton also held a formal press conference to
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Speaker 2: announce their policy for banning social media for teenagers in
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Speaker 2: June last year.
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Speaker 5: There is no scenario whether social media companies will do
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Speaker 5: the right thing, and so we're going to force them to.
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Speaker 5: It's the right thing to do, and we hope that
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Speaker 5: the government will get behind this. The companies will be
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Speaker 5: required to comply with the new law, and that will
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Speaker 5: include penalties if they don't.
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Speaker 6: I don't understand what the government's hesitation is at the moment,
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Speaker 6: but this is one of those issues where we can
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Speaker 6: try and help protect kids online, try and help families
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Speaker 6: and parents have the tools that they need to help
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Speaker 6: protect their children. But it's one of those issues that
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Speaker 6: really should be approached on a bipartisan basis.
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Speaker 2: Well, it was another three months later, in September last year,
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Speaker 2: that Albanzi finally followed suit and copied Dutton's policy, and
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Speaker 2: alban Ezi announced a trial.
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Speaker 7: What we want to do is to get our kids
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Speaker 7: off their devices and onto the footy fields or the
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Speaker 7: netball courts. Social media has a social responsibility in order
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Speaker 7: to have that social license. It's not easy. We accept that,
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Speaker 7: and the result mightn't be perfect.
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Speaker 2: And even then Albanizi couldn't answer questions about whether the
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Speaker 2: age limit should be fourteen or sixteen, and other ministers
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Speaker 2: that day said it might be thirteen. Now putting that aside,
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Speaker 2: this is great policy, serious, necessary, important policy. It's arguably
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Speaker 2: the best decision this government has made. But the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister should be honest about it. It wasn't his idea.
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Speaker 2: He's not known for original thinking, oh brave ideas. It
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Speaker 2: was coalition policy he simply lifted. But regardless of the
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Speaker 2: politics of this, the substance matters. We do need a
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Speaker 2: social media age limit because the tech giants are destroying
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Speaker 2: young lives and fueling mental health issues in teenagers young teenagers.
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Speaker 2: Our children deserve a childhood and they deserve to be protected.
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Speaker 2: And hopefully this policy is the start. And as I mentioned,
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Speaker 2: Whipper will be on the show in a moment just
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Speaker 2: to speak about this. But now to leak to emails
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Speaker 2: the show, the ABC was told by a Palestinian mother
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Speaker 2: that her son was a lie, but their on air
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Speaker 2: report falsely claimed he'd been killed, and when the boy
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Speaker 2: was confirmed to be alive, the ABC, in these league
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Speaker 2: emails said it wouldn't be reporting the fact. These emails
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Speaker 2: expose extraordinary bias, dereliction of duty and reporting of simply
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Speaker 2: fake news by the public broadcaster. On August six, the
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Speaker 2: ABC Middle East correspondent Eric Tozik sent an email to
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Speaker 2: the Israel run Gaza Humanitarian Foundation seeking comment for a story.
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Speaker 2: In the email, the journalist said, and I quote my
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Speaker 2: colleagues are working on a story about the young boy
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Speaker 2: known as Emir, who former UG Solutions contractor Anthony Aguila
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Speaker 2: allegers was shot by the IDF after attending a GHF
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Speaker 2: site near the Morag corridor on May twenty eight. Emir's
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Speaker 2: adoptive mother has told us she doesn't believe her son
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Speaker 2: was killed. She told us she believes he was taken
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Speaker 2: by American contractors and fed and cared for because he
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Speaker 2: was in a bad state when he attended the aid site.
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Speaker 2: But she has not seen him since that day, and
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Speaker 2: Eric requested any further information from the GHF. And this
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Speaker 2: is the organization that was set up by Israel to
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Speaker 2: distribute aid to Palestinians. So those emails show the ABC
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Speaker 2: had been told by the boy's mother that she believed
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Speaker 2: he was alive and was being cared for, yet there
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Speaker 2: was no mention of this in the ABC's on air
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Speaker 2: report none at all. Instead, have a listen to what
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Speaker 2: the ABC reported in an interview with discredited former contractor
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Speaker 2: Anthony Aguila.
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Speaker 1: On the eighth of May. A young boy named Amir
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Speaker 1: was at Site number two and he was with the
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Speaker 1: group getting aid. As he left with the crowd, the
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Speaker 1: Israeli defense forces were shooting warning shots along the path.
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Speaker 1: People were lying on that intersection, lying there dead, and
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Speaker 1: a mirror was amongst those that were dead. I've been
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Speaker 1: questioned on that, and I've been pushed back on that,
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Speaker 1: saying that you know, I didn't see that, and you
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Speaker 1: know I know what I saw vindication from this a
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Speaker 1: couple days ago, from the picture that I took an
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Speaker 1: NGO in Gaza, took the picture to the hospital to
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Speaker 1: see if they could identify his body. And they couldn't
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Speaker 1: find his body, but they did find his mother. And
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Speaker 1: his mother has been missing him since the twenty eighth.
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Speaker 1: She hasn't been able to find him. No one's been
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Speaker 1: able to find him. I got to talk to her
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Speaker 1: on the phone two days ago on a zoom call
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Speaker 1: with a translator, and it was very hard, very hard
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Speaker 1: to share that story with her, to tell her that
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Speaker 1: her son is most likely, you know, from what I saw,
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Speaker 1: most likely, you know, he was dead.
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Speaker 2: So that's a pretty clear report on the ABC that
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Speaker 2: a ten year old boy had been killed by the
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Speaker 2: Israeli Defense Forces. Yet the ABC had spoken to the
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Speaker 2: mother and she told them she believed he was alive.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you'd think that was pretty relevant information to include,
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Speaker 2: but they didn't include the mother's opinion in their report.
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Speaker 2: The GHF had also thoroughly disputed the claims from that contractor,
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Speaker 2: interviewed and discredited his allegations, but none of this was
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Speaker 2: included in the ABC's report either. Now, the GHF then
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Speaker 2: emailed the ABC in September, the month after and asked
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Speaker 2: this GHF has found this boy and we can confirm
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Speaker 2: he is alive and safe. Are you planning to cover again?
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Speaker 2: You'd think this would be a relevant follow up for
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Speaker 2: the ABC, But the journalist Eric Tozek responded to say
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Speaker 2: in the end, the ABC did not actually run any
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Speaker 2: story about Tony Gui Wheler's allegations about Emir and his
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Speaker 2: supposed death. As you pointed out, there were some inconsistencies
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Speaker 2: and elements of the story which could not be verified. Consequently,
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if we will cover this new development
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Speaker 2: as we did not cover the initial allegations, but I've
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Speaker 2: emailed my editors about it. So the ABC broadcast a
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Speaker 2: report that claimed a Palestinian boy had been killed by Israel,
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Speaker 2: and when the boy was confirmed alive, they refused to
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Speaker 2: report it. And that false radio report, by the way,
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Speaker 2: hasn't been removed from their website either. The only correction
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Speaker 2: an editor's note added to the bottom that says this
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Speaker 2: editor's note. About one month after this interview, media reports
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Speaker 2: emerged that Emir had been found alive following a Gaza
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Speaker 2: Humanitarian Foundation investigation. Now I contacted the ABC today. I
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Speaker 2: asked them if they'd be taking down from their website
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Speaker 2: that inaccurate report, and this is what a spokesman told me.
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Speaker 2: Complaints regarding the radio interview with Anthony Aguila were dealt
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Speaker 2: with by the Umbudsman's office. In September, the story was
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Speaker 2: updated with an editor's note stating about one month after
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Speaker 2: the interview, media reports emerged that Amir had been found.
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Speaker 2: Eric Tozek was looking into the story separately to the
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Speaker 2: radio interview and did not report on it. So still
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Speaker 2: I asked them directly, will you now be removing that
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Speaker 2: false report from ABC's website. No sign that they will now.
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Speaker 2: These leaked emails that I've obtained are highly damaging for
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Speaker 2: the ABC. A little boy's mother told them that he
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Speaker 2: was alive and was being cared for by Israel. This
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Speaker 2: is information, presumably that she would have been given by
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Speaker 2: Israel by official and yet the ABC didn't report it,
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Speaker 2: despite having comments both from the GHF and from the
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Speaker 2: boy's mother. Instead, they allowed the fake news, and it
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Speaker 2: is fake news, to run that Emir was dead and
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Speaker 2: had been killed by Israel. It's these lies by a mission,
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Speaker 2: it's this distortion of the truth. It's these false reports
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Speaker 2: that utterly destroys the ABC's reputation, and this means that
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Speaker 2: you have to take everything you read and watch on
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Speaker 2: the ABC with a pinch of salt. And it's why
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Speaker 2: there should be an inquiry into its bias. This is
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Speaker 2: disgraceful and it's false reports like this that have contributed
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Speaker 2: to the anti Semitism crisis in our nation. All right,
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Speaker 2: let's return now to the social media band that started
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Speaker 2: today and I'm joined by I Nova radio host Michael
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Speaker 2: Whipfley Whipper, thank you so much for your time, Thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. Look, you've been leading
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Speaker 2: this campaign to have an age limit on social media
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Speaker 2: for a long time now, well before the Albanezy government
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Speaker 2: jumped on the bandwagon. A huge congratulations to you and
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Speaker 2: your team. How are you feeling today that it's actually
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Speaker 2: now taken effect?
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Speaker 8: Well today, I mean it's a similar to when the
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister made the announcement that there would be a
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Speaker 8: change to the law, and it's just one of relief
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Speaker 8: and I know a lot of parents would agree with that,
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Speaker 8: but quietly, I think it's an absolute relief for a
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Speaker 8: lot of the kids as well. You know, I know
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Speaker 8: when we visited many schools, we were there with developmental pediatrician,
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Speaker 8: doctor Billy Garvey, and we would ask some questions gently
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Speaker 8: around support in the playground friendship, and we sort of
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Speaker 8: strategically navigated to the question which we would end each
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Speaker 8: session with, and that question was, if social media didn't
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Speaker 8: exist and the person sitting next to you didn't have it,
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Speaker 8: would you be okay with that? And every hand would
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Speaker 8: go up. So I think quietly it's a relief for
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Speaker 8: a lot of kids as well.
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Speaker 2: That's fascinating to hear that perspective as well, because today
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Speaker 2: we've heard many in many media outlets the opposite. You know,
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Speaker 2: we've been told that teenagers have been boasting on social
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Speaker 2: media that they've been able to get around the law.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at this. I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys can hear me or
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Speaker 1: see me if this is even going to work. I
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Speaker 1: think I may have found a loophole.
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Speaker 2: You love me, baby, love me.
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Speaker 9: Things are not good over here, and I have to
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Speaker 9: make this quick before they can get me.
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Speaker 10: Tangled.
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Speaker 7: I can guess, my brother.
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Speaker 2: So that was a compilation put together by the Cinemoni Herald.
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Speaker 2: But wipper are we going to see many teens just
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Speaker 2: finding ways to join new apps or get around these laws.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean to be honest with you, Yeah we will,
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Speaker 8: We absolutely will. But I would like to think that
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Speaker 8: this is just the starting point and that's the big
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Speaker 8: picture showy, Like, we need to understand there is no
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Speaker 8: silver bullet to this. We have to start somewhere. The
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Speaker 8: law change is the first thing, and then the behavior
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Speaker 8: change is the second. So you know, even for the
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Speaker 8: particular wording around a social media ban, you know, if
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Speaker 8: you pull back the lens a little, we've been calling
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Speaker 8: it a buffer. We've been calling it a delay because yes,
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Speaker 8: it is a band right now for kids between the
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Speaker 8: age of thirteen and sixty, and I understand that there's
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Speaker 8: going to be some frustrating times there. But my kids
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Speaker 8: are ten, nine and five, and I would like to
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Speaker 8: think by the time they hit thirteen or they have
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Speaker 8: an interest in social media, we've got enough of an
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Speaker 8: understanding and on a grassroots level with the parents as well,
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Speaker 8: we can stick together. We have that clear air and
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Speaker 8: we're able to say no, we don't do that, guys,
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Speaker 8: that's not what we do anymore. There's a better world
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Speaker 8: out there that can build a better well being for
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Speaker 8: our teens.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think You're right, it'll be hardest for those
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Speaker 2: who are already using it to communicate with their friends.
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Speaker 2: But but then you know, the a couple of years younger,
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Speaker 2: it'll be much easier to stop them getting onto the apps.
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Speaker 2: I mean, parents can just say it's against the law.
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Speaker 2: You can't do that. You know, they could be a fine,
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Speaker 2: or at least a fine for the tech companies. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: perhaps they should be a fine for the teenagers as well,
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Speaker 2: clean their room or something that might help them.
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Speaker 8: Could you imagine you can write up you can write
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Speaker 8: up that punishment list and I'll just sit here watching whipper.
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Speaker 2: I heard you talk about how some teens are moving
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Speaker 2: on to another app called Lemon eight. I think that's
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Speaker 2: what you said. It was called, and it's owned by
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Speaker 2: TikTok's owner, Bite Dance, So this is quite deceptive con Yeah,
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Speaker 2: well this is deceptive conduct from the tech giants then.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, And this is going to be the role that
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Speaker 8: the government will need to play, you know, as part
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Speaker 8: of the new law and the way we approach things,
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Speaker 8: the government and the E Safety Commissioner, she'll need to
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Speaker 8: be completely across the developing apps and the merging world
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Speaker 8: that we now have when it comes to different platforms
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Speaker 8: and the different techniques to drag kids back into this
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Speaker 8: attention grabbing skill that these apps have. I mean, they're
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Speaker 8: an insecurity amplifier and they'll do everything they can to
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Speaker 8: grab your attention and then sell your kids attention. That's
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Speaker 8: their business model. It's as simple as that. So that's
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Speaker 8: the government's role and that's where you know, at thirty
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Speaker 8: six months, which is what we've been campaigning about, you know,
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Speaker 8: we're going to watch closely, as the world is watching closely.
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Speaker 8: But I just hope the Commonwealth sticks to their word
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Speaker 8: and holds the torch to the toes of anybody trying
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Speaker 8: to break the rules.
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Speaker 2: The South Australian Premier Malanowskus yesterday held a press conference
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Speaker 2: and he actually expressed support for banning smartphones for teenagers.
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Speaker 2: Here's what he said.
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Speaker 10: That these things are destroying our kids' lives and upbringing,
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Speaker 10: so let's do something about it. I'm going to lead
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Speaker 10: that effort, right because there's a lot at stake here.
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Speaker 10: We talk about the burden on the mental health. I mean,
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Speaker 10: I'm getting fired up here it actually but it's but
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Speaker 10: if we're not willing to get fired up and enthusiastic
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Speaker 10: about showing leadership on behalf of our kids.
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Speaker 8: What are we here for?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he actually invested money in another kind of organization,
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Speaker 2: Weight Mate and I had one of their co founders
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Speaker 2: on the program on Monday Night. But do you think
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Speaker 2: this is the next step banning smartphones for teenagers? As
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Speaker 2: the Premier was speaking about.
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Speaker 8: It's a really interesting point. I think there is an
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Speaker 8: evolution of where where we've got to today, which naturally
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Speaker 8: lends itself to being able to explore how else we
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Speaker 8: can do things better. You know, Weight Made are a
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Speaker 8: great team. They have a simple message. They want parents
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Speaker 8: to get together and they want them to wait. They
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Speaker 8: want them to wait till the kids are sixteen. In
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Speaker 8: New South Wales, as you would know, the government's introduced
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Speaker 8: this in the public schooling system along a lot of
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Speaker 8: the private schools and the Catholic schools also are taking note.
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Speaker 8: They've got some thoughts regarding dumb phones. There needs to
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Speaker 8: be a better word for that being in the system.
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Speaker 8: But at the same time, I think Peter Malanawskis has
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Speaker 8: been an absolute campaign leader for what we believe is
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Speaker 8: common sense, and he has been sensational and he won't
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Speaker 8: stop at what he believes is the best way to
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Speaker 8: bring up kids, and.
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Speaker 2: So have you been outstanding on this issue. A huge
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Speaker 2: congratulations to you, Whip. I thought you'd be celebrating tonight.
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Speaker 2: Instead you're on air with me. So hope you go
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Speaker 2: have a drink or a glass of champagne or something,
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Speaker 2: because this is a huge achievement. Well done.
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Speaker 8: Well, it's a relief for a lot of parents and
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Speaker 8: also the kids and well if so great to celebrate
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Speaker 8: with you, Shari.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, thank you so much for your time. Now, Anaka
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Speaker 2: Wells is trying to defend her exorbitant expenses, which she
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Speaker 2: has now submitted to be audited. Well Senator James Patterson
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Speaker 2: today suggested that she should now stand aside while this
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Speaker 2: is being investigated.
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Speaker 11: I don't think it's sufficient that it's been referred to
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Speaker 11: IPIA only for an independent investigation. I think there's a
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Speaker 11: chance the minister or code of conduct has also been breached.
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Speaker 11: It should be referred to the Secretary of PM and
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Speaker 11: C to investigate, and Minister well should stand aside while
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Speaker 11: that investigation takes place, as is standard practice.
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Speaker 2: But Anika Wells and the Prime Minister are just hoping
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Speaker 2: this will blow over, and they keep insisting she's done
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Speaker 2: nothing wrong.
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Speaker 9: I am the steward of a world leading social media
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Speaker 9: up there that has an incredible cultural and generational change
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Speaker 9: unfurling as of today. And also the Communications Minister who
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Speaker 9: needs to make sure that taxpayers have confidence in the
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Speaker 9: ship zero system, particularly across the summer.
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Speaker 7: No sports minister goes to sporting event, guess what?
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Speaker 2: But is it normal to leave a com car waiting
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Speaker 2: for ten hours?
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Speaker 7: Who knows what happened there?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? And what about the Oasis concert where tax pase
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Speaker 2: paid for her husband to attend. That's not normal for
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Speaker 2: response Minister well to discuss. Let's bringing now Victorian Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party President Michael Kroger and IPA senior fellow Chief economist
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Speaker 2: Adam Crichton. Great to see you vote, Michael. What's your
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Speaker 2: reaction to this? Do you think the laws need to
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Speaker 2: be changed if a minister like Anaka Wells can just
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Speaker 2: get away with this?
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Speaker 12: Look of course they do. And I think the first
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Speaker 12: political party which says this sort of wholesale routing of
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Speaker 12: the public purse has to be stopped and proper guidelines
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Speaker 12: needed pot in place. The first party that does that
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Speaker 12: will win huge community support. I mean people are outraged.
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Speaker 12: I mean Elbow is saying, oh, he doesn't know what
21:51
Speaker 12: happened with the comcr. Who keeps a who keeps a
21:54
Speaker 12: car waiting for seven hours or one thousand dollars? Would
21:57
Speaker 12: you do it if it was your money? Anakin, of
21:58
Speaker 12: course you wouldn't. The restaurant in Paris at the public's expensive,
22:02
Speaker 12: and on a guess. I mean, how do people like
22:04
Speaker 12: her turn up for work each day with a straight
22:07
Speaker 12: face and not be humiliated and embarrassed that they've plundered
22:11
Speaker 12: the public purse the extent she has and has no
22:14
Speaker 12: shame whatsoever. I mean, any normal person, any normal middle
22:18
Speaker 12: class person, would have simply said, I'm sorry, our stuffed
22:20
Speaker 12: up I'm.
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Speaker 2: Going to resign or at least offer to pay it back.
22:24
Speaker 2: But Adam, she hasn't even done that.
22:30
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, look she's you know, she's digged in, and
22:32
Speaker 13: I'm not really surprised. To me, my view on here
22:35
Speaker 13: is slightly different. I think the rules are far too generous.
22:38
Speaker 13: I agree with Michael they should be changed, but the
22:40
Speaker 13: reality is both sides do this. I mean, we had
22:42
Speaker 13: the Bromin Bishop helicopter, we had Susan Lay. Both sides
22:45
Speaker 13: have done this for years, and I just think there's
22:48
Speaker 13: so much hypocrisy on both sides where these sorts of
22:51
Speaker 13: you know, these sorts of scandals. I understand why it's
22:53
Speaker 13: a political story. I understand why the media loves it.
22:55
Speaker 13: But we've spent a week talking about this and we're
22:58
Speaker 13: talking about tens of thousands of dollars. This is small
23:01
Speaker 13: beer in a budget of seven hundred and fifty two
23:03
Speaker 13: billion dollars, and I just think, sure, this is wasteful,
23:07
Speaker 13: but the whole edifice of Canberra is extremely wasteful. I mean,
23:10
Speaker 13: the ministers all have personal staff, they have.
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Speaker 2: Sorry to intrupt, but if you put every politicians, if
23:18
Speaker 2: you put them all together, the expenses of the hundreds
23:20
Speaker 2: of politicians, that will be a decent sized money, especially
23:25
Speaker 2: the international travel for the Albanese government ministers. And the
23:29
Speaker 2: difference with Brohman, Bishop and Susan Lee is that they
23:31
Speaker 2: actually had to resign and pay back the money. We're
23:36
Speaker 2: not seeing this accountability from Albanisi. Now.
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Speaker 13: Look, that is true, and that is you know, that
23:42
Speaker 13: is an interesting point. But I also would say that
23:45
Speaker 13: you know, the opposition the coalition have been relatively reticent
23:49
Speaker 13: in their attacks. I would say on the minister because
23:51
Speaker 13: they're all worried. I think that journalists will scrutinize their
23:55
Speaker 13: travel because you know, let's face it, most of the
23:58
Speaker 13: I mean, start again. I'd be surprised if an MP
24:00
Speaker 13: could put the hand on their heart and say that
24:02
Speaker 13: they never booked travel for personal reasons and arranged work
24:06
Speaker 13: stuff around it, work meetings around it. It's fairly common
24:09
Speaker 13: in my understanding, and it's part of the perks of
24:13
Speaker 13: the job. We might not like that, but that's the reality.
24:16
Speaker 13: And it just you know, this story as much, you know,
24:18
Speaker 13: as fun as it is, as fun as it is,
24:21
Speaker 13: it's distracting from the NDIS and tens of billions wasted.
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Speaker 12: On everything else.
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Speaker 2: You really have left journalism, Adam. If you think this
24:28
Speaker 2: is a distraction, that's for sure. But I want to
24:33
Speaker 2: turn to the Greens now because they've actually had taxpayers
24:35
Speaker 2: pay to fly their family members to Palestinian protests and
24:40
Speaker 2: music festivals. This was in The Australian's front page today
24:44
Speaker 2: and the OZ reports that the relatives of the Green
24:47
Speaker 2: senators Marine Ferruki, Sarah Hanson Young and David chu Bridge
24:51
Speaker 2: have all benefited from these taxpay funded perks. The OZ
24:55
Speaker 2: reports that Farruki had taxpayers pay for family members return
24:58
Speaker 2: flights from Sydney to me in November twenty twenty three,
25:03
Speaker 2: where she attended a pro Palestinian protest, and then the
25:07
Speaker 2: revelations this afternoon that Sarah Hanson Young charged taxpayers fifty
25:10
Speaker 2: thousand dollars for her lobbyist husband to fly from Adelaide
25:15
Speaker 2: to Canberra, where he works for his own company as
25:19
Speaker 2: a lobbyist. Michael, what do you think are either of
25:22
Speaker 2: these examples appropriate?
25:25
Speaker 12: Well, lebinoquish one is quite serious because, as you say,
25:30
Speaker 12: he works as a lobbyist in Canberra. Apparently most of
25:33
Speaker 12: these seventy eight trips were during the sitting week, So
25:37
Speaker 12: as Kearra Millers just said, I hope he was just
25:39
Speaker 12: sitting in his hotel room for the days that he
25:41
Speaker 12: was in Canberra. Interesting, you know when he arrived and
25:44
Speaker 12: when he left, he must have just been sitting in
25:47
Speaker 12: his room in the hotel because he certainly couldn't have
25:50
Speaker 12: been doing any lobbying work whilst he was there, because
25:54
Speaker 12: that would raise a whole series of questions about the
25:56
Speaker 12: use of these entitlements because the taxpayer paid for his airfares.
26:01
Speaker 12: I mean really, I mean Sarah Hanson Young really, I
26:07
Speaker 12: mean she needs to give a full explanation of this
26:11
Speaker 12: that that would if you know, if he did any
26:14
Speaker 12: lobbing work Jarry whilst he was there. You know, an
26:18
Speaker 12: unkind person might think that crosses the line between family
26:22
Speaker 12: reunion and something else.
26:24
Speaker 2: No, it's just it is discussing. It actually makes you
26:27
Speaker 2: sick of the whole lot of politicians that you know,
26:30
Speaker 2: at least those who take the mickey like this out
26:33
Speaker 2: of the taxpayer. Let's turn out to the Australian Energy
26:37
Speaker 2: Market Operator AMO. It's released a report today that you
26:40
Speaker 2: would have heard of by now in Sky News. In
26:43
Speaker 2: its report, It's warns that cole will still be needed
26:46
Speaker 2: to secure the energy grid until twenty forty nine, twelve
26:51
Speaker 2: years longer than planned and adam it also revised the
26:54
Speaker 2: cost of the net zero transition to one hundred and
26:56
Speaker 2: twenty eight billion dollars.
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Speaker 13: Well, this was just a fantasy document really of what
27:03
Speaker 13: the government would like to happen. And even in the
27:06
Speaker 13: fantasy document, what's extraordinary is coal is still required until
27:09
Speaker 13: twenty forty nine by the experts. But you have states
27:12
Speaker 13: like Victoria who've actually legislated to close the Lawn power
27:16
Speaker 13: station in just three years in twenty twenty eight, which
27:20
Speaker 13: is sixteen percent roughly of the energy of the entire state,
27:23
Speaker 13: and also it supports South Australia as well.
27:25
Speaker 2: And then in.
27:26
Speaker 13: Twenty thirty five Victoria has said that it's going to
27:28
Speaker 13: close down alloy yang A, which I think is the
27:31
Speaker 13: second largest power station in the whole country. So you've
27:34
Speaker 13: never seen in the history of Australia such a big
27:36
Speaker 13: gap between economic and scientific reality and political rhetoric. Basically,
27:42
Speaker 13: this is not going to happen. I mean that report
27:44
Speaker 13: said we had to have basically a doubling of solar
27:48
Speaker 13: and wind in the next five years. That's just not sorry,
27:52
Speaker 13: physically possible. It's not going to happen. So basically the
27:55
Speaker 13: government is going to end up with mud on its face.
27:56
Speaker 13: It's going to look extremely embarrassed. I think, and privately,
28:00
Speaker 13: I'm sure you know this, Charry talking to people. You know,
28:02
Speaker 13: I think the government has gone way too far in
28:04
Speaker 13: on these emissions targets. They're not going to happen and
28:06
Speaker 13: they're going to look really stupid.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's true. They can't possibly meet the
28:12
Speaker 2: twenty thirty or twenty thirty five targets. Michael Chris Bond
28:16
Speaker 2: was of course asked about this report today and he
28:17
Speaker 2: tried to put a positive spin on it. He was
28:19
Speaker 2: saying that Australian households are leading the charge with solar
28:23
Speaker 2: batteries and electric vehicles, but he ignores the substance of
28:27
Speaker 2: the report.
28:30
Speaker 12: Well, he talks about Australian household as if they're you know,
28:35
Speaker 12: soldiers at the Russian Front. I mean, you know, you
28:39
Speaker 12: should feel good about your batteries and your solar panels
28:42
Speaker 12: and all that stuff. You're doing a great core, your
28:44
Speaker 12: great things for the country. Sorry about the electricity bills
28:47
Speaker 12: that you can't possibly afford. I mean, look, let's be frank.
28:51
Speaker 12: This is a complete mess in this country. This whole
28:54
Speaker 12: change is a complete mess. Years ago, three or five,
28:57
Speaker 12: six years ago, people thought, right, renewably energy is going
29:00
Speaker 12: to be the cheapest form energy. It's clean, it's very
29:03
Speaker 12: low emissions, We're making a contribution to lowering the world's temperature.
29:09
Speaker 12: Where a great global citizen, and away we go. That's
29:11
Speaker 12: what people thought they were signing up for. Now what
29:14
Speaker 12: we've got is knowledge that there are no change to
29:17
Speaker 12: the world temperature. This is all this is all symbolic.
29:20
Speaker 12: We're not making any difference whatsoever to what's happening in
29:23
Speaker 12: the world. It's costing a fortune to the average householder.
29:27
Speaker 12: Chris Bowen, one of the most unsuccessful ministers in the
29:30
Speaker 12: history of the Commonwealth, has been given a blank check
29:32
Speaker 12: of hundreds of billions of dollars to transform the energy sector.
29:36
Speaker 12: I mean, Sharry Weeks, haven't we been told for months
29:38
Speaker 12: that the coal fired power stations have to close because
29:41
Speaker 12: they're at the end of life, the end of life,
29:44
Speaker 12: and therefore they have to close. And of course no
29:47
Speaker 12: board wants to put money into something because the wind
29:49
Speaker 12: is blowing against coal anyway from political point of view.
29:53
Speaker 2: Actually is the end of life.
29:54
Speaker 13: By the way, Michael just that's not at the end
29:56
Speaker 13: of life.
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Speaker 12: But that's what we keep But that's what we keep
29:59
Speaker 12: getting told. We get the government bit more money, we're
30:02
Speaker 12: in to keep it going for just a few more
30:04
Speaker 12: years of humans. Who is going to pay Shari for
30:07
Speaker 12: the next twenty years of band aids for cold fired
30:10
Speaker 12: powerstations to say open. We're subsidizing them too.
30:13
Speaker 2: I know, subsidizing the continue with the life cycle of
30:17
Speaker 2: the Colvide POWERstation subsidizing the renewables. I mean the private
30:20
Speaker 2: market should just be sorting this out without any government
30:23
Speaker 2: subsidies for electricity. All right, Michael Kroger, Adam Creighton, thank
30:27
Speaker 2: you both so much. Still to come, Linda Reynolds speaks
30:31
Speaker 2: out and reveals Katie Gallagher's non apology. Plus the coalition
30:36
Speaker 2: prepares to announce a values test for new migrants. How
30:40
Speaker 2: will this work? Angus Taylor will join me next Welcome
30:48
Speaker 2: back well. Opposition leader Susan Lee is expected to announce
30:52
Speaker 2: her migration policy next week, and I can tell you
30:56
Speaker 2: exclusively that I understand a values test will be a
30:59
Speaker 2: seential part of it. Were joining me now is Shadow
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Speaker 2: Defense Minister Angus Taylor. Angus, good to see you now.
31:08
Speaker 2: Don't mean to put you on the spot with a
31:09
Speaker 2: policy that hasn't been announced yet, but generally speaking, do
31:13
Speaker 2: you think there should be a values test for new migrants?
31:17
Speaker 2: And how do you verify people's values? Because don't people
31:21
Speaker 2: just give the right answers to officials? They know the
31:24
Speaker 2: answers that the immigration officials want to hear.
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Speaker 14: Well, Schary, thanks for having me, and I do think
31:32
Speaker 14: it's important that if people are to come to this
31:35
Speaker 14: country that they adopt our core values, and in fact,
31:39
Speaker 14: in our citizenship ceremonies, we ask them to make an
31:42
Speaker 14: affirmation or an oath to recite those core values, to
31:47
Speaker 14: focus on democracy, on the rule of law, on our
31:50
Speaker 14: basic freedoms. And I think it is appropriate that if
31:53
Speaker 14: you don't believe in those things, then you don't pass
31:58
Speaker 14: a values test. Now, there's lots of for our intelligence
32:02
Speaker 14: organizations to work out if someone is a religious or
32:06
Speaker 14: ideological extremist and doesn't believe in those core values. And
32:11
Speaker 14: I think this is a reasonable thing to ask of people.
32:14
Speaker 2: So I mean, so, how would of values test work.
32:17
Speaker 2: Would it be done in an interview or would it
32:20
Speaker 2: involve as you might as you just hinted, there a
32:23
Speaker 2: more active role from intelligence agencies or home affairs officials,
32:28
Speaker 2: perhaps checking people's social media accounts or even interviewing their
32:31
Speaker 2: friends and relatives.
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Speaker 14: Or sure, I'm going to I'm not going to front
32:36
Speaker 14: run the policy announcement, obviously, but what I would say
32:40
Speaker 14: is that our intelligence agencies well and truly have the
32:45
Speaker 14: capacity to assess whether or not someone has shown some
32:49
Speaker 14: real evidence that they are not in sync with those
32:52
Speaker 14: core values. I mean if you don't believe in democracy, really,
32:55
Speaker 14: is it appropriate that you come to the country, If
32:59
Speaker 14: you don't believe in the rule of law? Is it
33:01
Speaker 14: appropriate that you become an Australian citizen? And I think
33:04
Speaker 14: they are very very reasonable questions. I think we are
33:07
Speaker 14: more than able to assess whether or not someone has
33:10
Speaker 14: demonstrated in their past life that they are not in
33:13
Speaker 14: sync with those values. And I think most Australians would
33:16
Speaker 14: expect that we apply a test like that.
33:20
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I think a values test is a terrific idea.
33:23
Speaker 2: So it sounds like we're going to be hearing more
33:25
Speaker 2: about that from Susan Lee and the Coalition next week.
33:29
Speaker 2: Augus Taylor, in your previous role, you were a shadow Treasurer,
33:32
Speaker 2: I'm keen to ask you about the economy because yesterday
33:35
Speaker 2: we heard the IBA Governor Michelle bullerk on that rates
33:39
Speaker 2: may have to rise next year. What do you think
33:43
Speaker 2: is to blame for this persistent inflation.
33:48
Speaker 14: Or Sharie, You're absolutely right. The Reserve Bank is now
33:52
Speaker 14: showing deep concern about the state of the economy and
33:56
Speaker 14: the risk that inflation will continue to be the target range.
34:01
Speaker 14: And of course they have already highlighted that the balance
34:05
Speaker 14: between supply and demand is not where it needs to
34:07
Speaker 14: be if we're going to see a reduction in interest rates,
34:10
Speaker 14: and we may well as a result, see an increase
34:13
Speaker 14: in fact, that's what the markets think. I mean, if
34:15
Speaker 14: you look at what's going on that's resulting in that
34:18
Speaker 14: imbalance between supply and demand. We've got government spending running away,
34:23
Speaker 14: absolutely running away. Right now. We're about to see my EFO,
34:26
Speaker 14: which will tell us something about the budget situation, but
34:29
Speaker 14: it doesn't appear it's going to be a pretty picture.
34:32
Speaker 14: And we've got Deloitte telling us that we've got well
34:35
Speaker 14: over forty billion dollars of deficits each year for the
34:38
Speaker 14: coming years. And on top of that, we've got an
34:41
Speaker 14: economy where productivity has essentially hit the wall. The supply
34:46
Speaker 14: side of our economy, our ability to build things, to
34:48
Speaker 14: make things has has fallen away, and the result is
34:54
Speaker 14: inflation is heading in the wrong direction.
34:57
Speaker 2: Look, it'll be an absolute devastating set of circumstances if
35:02
Speaker 2: Australian families who already struggling with the cost of living
35:05
Speaker 2: are dealing with rate rises next year, especially after the
35:10
Speaker 2: three cuts this year, and it would be it'd be
35:13
Speaker 2: downing for the RBA as well, they'd be having to
35:16
Speaker 2: answer questions that they've got their strategy wrong this year.
35:19
Speaker 2: Most likely that's exactly right.
35:22
Speaker 14: Show In fact, the market is already starting to price
35:25
Speaker 14: this in so to a significant degree. People are going
35:29
Speaker 14: to be starting to pay for interst rate increases already.
35:32
Speaker 14: That's how interst rate markets work. So we should be
35:37
Speaker 14: deeply concerned about this. People with a mortgage will pay
35:41
Speaker 14: a price for a government that hasn't got its fiscal
35:43
Speaker 14: policy right. It's spending policies right, and we know from
35:49
Speaker 14: history if a government can't control its budgets, then we
35:53
Speaker 14: all pay for that, not just with future taxes, but
35:56
Speaker 14: with more immediate inflation. And that's a tax on absolutely
35:59
Speaker 14: everybody it is.
36:00
Speaker 2: Indeed, the Defense Minister, Richard Miles has refused to release
36:05
Speaker 2: any details of the Pentagon report that's just been completed
36:10
Speaker 2: into ORCUS. Have a look at him responding to questions today.
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Speaker 15: The first of the review is very much as I said,
36:18
Speaker 15: in the context of full seam ahead on UCUS and
36:21
Speaker 15: how important ORCUS is. The review is their review, so
36:25
Speaker 15: I'm seeking to respect that. But we're really clear about
36:31
Speaker 15: what America is asking of us, and what we're asking
36:34
Speaker 15: of America and what both of us are asking of
36:36
Speaker 15: the United.
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Speaker 2: Kingdom really clear. Well, he refused twelve times to answer
36:41
Speaker 2: the questions why do you think he's being so secretive
36:44
Speaker 2: about this? And also his Osmond meetings.
36:49
Speaker 14: Well, Charie, I think it's very clear that the Americans
36:54
Speaker 14: think that we are not spending what we need to
36:56
Speaker 14: on our defense force. We're underfunding our defense force going
37:00
Speaker 14: to have Orcus and everything else we need. They have
37:04
Speaker 14: highlighted concerns about this, not just with Australia, but with
37:08
Speaker 14: a whole range of allies, and they've laid that out
37:11
Speaker 14: just recently in the National Security Plan, and I think
37:16
Speaker 14: there's no doubt that those discussions have been happening. I
37:18
Speaker 14: think that concern is clear, it's been made explicit. Indeed,
37:22
Speaker 14: we are underfunding our defense force and the result of it, Sharry,
37:26
Speaker 14: is not only are we at risk of not properly
37:28
Speaker 14: funding AUCUS, but many other initiatives like the drone and
37:32
Speaker 14: counter drone technology we need, but also maintenance of our
37:36
Speaker 14: existing existing equipment, where we've got ships and planes that
37:42
Speaker 14: are not getting into the air and onto the ocean
37:45
Speaker 14: as much as the government indeed has planned. Because we
37:47
Speaker 14: simply don't have the people in the funding just.
37:50
Speaker 2: Very quickly because I've got to go. But at the
37:51
Speaker 2: start of that answer there, you said that you expect
37:55
Speaker 2: that the Trump administration is still raising the issue of
37:58
Speaker 2: defense spending with Richard Martin. I know you were in
38:01
Speaker 2: Washington last month meeting with Trump administration defense officials. Was
38:06
Speaker 2: this raised with you, that they still wanted Australia, Australia
38:10
Speaker 2: to spend more on defense.
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Speaker 14: Well, Sharie, it's absolutely no secret that the US administration
38:19
Speaker 14: is concerned about the funding of defense of its allies,
38:22
Speaker 14: including Australia. They've made that very clear and very apparent.
38:27
Speaker 14: And that puts orposite risk, but more generally it capability
38:31
Speaker 14: at risk and ability to work. Well, yeah, it's it's
38:36
Speaker 14: part of the conversations in Washington.
38:37
Speaker 12: There's no question.
38:39
Speaker 2: All right, Angus Taylor, really appreciate your time. Thank you
38:41
Speaker 2: so much. Now still to come, the left tie themselves
38:46
Speaker 2: in knots trying to defend Anika Wells, and Linda Reynolds
38:50
Speaker 2: speaks out and she reveals Katie Gallagher's non apology. That's
38:55
Speaker 2: next welcome back. Will admit her ongoing legal case against
39:01
Speaker 2: the Albanezy government. Linda Reynolds has spoken about how Labor
39:05
Speaker 2: weaponized the rape against.
39:08
Speaker 16: Her, having a look at Labour's behavior the whole way
39:11
Speaker 16: through this. It has been despicable, it has been cruel,
39:16
Speaker 16: it has been unrelentless and it has been relentless, I
39:19
Speaker 16: should say.
39:22
Speaker 2: In the interview with seven point thirty, she also blasted
39:26
Speaker 2: Katie Gallagher for giving a non apology.
39:30
Speaker 16: She wasn't sorry and she didn't at all take any
39:33
Speaker 16: ownership because she was intimately involved in this. She misled
39:37
Speaker 16: the Parliament when she said, remember that footage, nobody knew anything.
39:41
Speaker 16: I didn't know anything. You know, nobody presumed the Labor
39:43
Speaker 16: Party knew nothing. But that wasn't true and it only
39:46
Speaker 16: came out through the court cases that she not only knew,
39:51
Speaker 16: but she was intimately involved in setting Labor up to
39:55
Speaker 16: launch this attack.
39:58
Speaker 2: And culture writer at The Australian, Jannah Clarke joins me.
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Speaker 2: Now now Jenna, the ABC welcome. The ABC have barely
40:05
Speaker 2: covered the politicization of Higgins rape against Linda Reynolds and
40:10
Speaker 2: the then Morrison government. I mean the Australian has been
40:12
Speaker 2: leading the charge on this. Sky News here we've reported
40:15
Speaker 2: a lot on it. As well. What did you make
40:18
Speaker 2: of the interview last night?
40:20
Speaker 17: I thought Linda Reynolds was absolutely brilliant in the way
40:23
Speaker 17: that she methodically and very calmly moved through all of
40:26
Speaker 17: her rationale and her reasoning behind why she decided to
40:29
Speaker 17: go down the legal route, because, as she so clearly
40:33
Speaker 17: explained last night, that the government have absolutely railroaded her.
40:36
Speaker 17: And I think at the sole basis of this story
40:38
Speaker 17: there are three very prominent victims, one obviously being Britney Higgins,
40:42
Speaker 17: but then also Fiona Brown, a senator for the former
40:45
Speaker 17: senator's chief of staff, and also the former Senator Linda Reynolds.
40:49
Speaker 2: And I thought she was so crystal clear.
40:51
Speaker 17: And you must eat your hat off to the ABC,
40:53
Speaker 17: because Sarah Fegson is known for rushing through interviews. She
40:56
Speaker 17: tried as hard as she could to try and needle
40:58
Speaker 17: her on why she decided to seek take a rape
41:02
Speaker 17: victim to court over these matters, and she said, I'm
41:05
Speaker 17: just trying to seek justice, and more.
41:07
Speaker 2: Power to her. I also think Scott Morrison is a
41:10
Speaker 2: victim as well. I mean, he was the Prime Minister
41:12
Speaker 2: at the time and the whole nation basically accused him
41:15
Speaker 2: of misogyny because of this story that we now know
41:19
Speaker 2: to be utterly false. There was no cover up.
41:22
Speaker 17: Of a rape totally, and I think that was the
41:25
Speaker 17: one thing that the former senator really brought up. And
41:27
Speaker 17: how she was quite angry with Scott Morrison at the time,
41:30
Speaker 17: but then giving us a backstory into how he actually
41:33
Speaker 17: comforted her personally was actually quite refreshing to hear.
41:36
Speaker 2: Yes, she said he saved her life. Now I want
41:38
Speaker 2: to go back to the Anaka Wells topic and her
41:42
Speaker 2: history of mocking tax deductions on small business launches. It's
41:46
Speaker 2: now come back to haunt her.
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Speaker 9: Have a look all this shouldn't have come up with
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Speaker 9: the cost of living policy that not even the cookie
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Speaker 9: monster would gobble down free lunches for bosses.
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Speaker 2: Paid for by you, the taxpayer.
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Speaker 9: But there is a question that not even the world's
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Speaker 9: most foremost economic experts can answer.
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Speaker 18: To design the count.
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Speaker 10: And it's time to answer that fascinating question.
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Speaker 7: What is the estime street number of the day.
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Speaker 15: Is it two hundred and fifty million dollars?
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Speaker 2: Ugh uh uh? Is it one point six billion dollars
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Speaker 2: uh uh?
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Speaker 15: Or is it ten billion dollars?
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Speaker 2: Uh uh?
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Speaker 9: It's up to those oscar the gratches to come clean
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Speaker 9: an answer.
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Speaker 2: I mean, j Hipocrassi add it's fine, as does it not.
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Speaker 2: It's aged like milk.
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Speaker 17: I think this one and I think it's so interesting
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Speaker 17: considering that this is the thing that the government and
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Speaker 17: all of the backers of the government seem to be missing.
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Speaker 17: The issue is not the fact that she's going on
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Speaker 17: these trips, is the fact that all of the stuff
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Speaker 17: around it. You know, it's the seven eight hundred euro
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Speaker 17: lunches in Paris. It's the taking the well earning husband
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Speaker 17: on these trips as well.
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Speaker 2: That's that's the core issue.
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Speaker 17: So I think this is going to be If this
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Speaker 17: isn't an attack on the on the government in the
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Speaker 17: next election, then the Libs are half asleep at the wheel.
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Speaker 2: We've also seen lefties come out and defend her bill
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Speaker 2: shot and told the Guardian, who'd want to be a
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Speaker 2: sports minister? If you don't go to the events, you're
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Speaker 2: a sport hating an Australian nerd. And if you do
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Speaker 2: somehow you're getting an unfair benefit. You can't win either way.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Jenna, this is the same line, and Anika
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Speaker 2: Wells is running. It doesn't cut the mustard. It doesn't
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Speaker 2: the Dijon mustard at all. It is terrible.
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Speaker 17: And I think that that's a very convenient excuse. And
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Speaker 17: I thought, you know, Bill Shorton could read the room
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Speaker 17: a little bit better. But you know, to her credit,
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Speaker 17: Annika Wells has done a wonderful job in the portfolio
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Speaker 17: of sports sports because and the Prime Minister said so today,
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Speaker 17: no one is criticizing her performance there. She's done wonderfully
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Speaker 17: considering you know, Senator Richard Colbert we had before couldn't
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Speaker 17: even you know, he ditched an aged care and crow
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Speaker 17: when he was age k Minister and Sports Minister to
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Speaker 17: attend the ashes. So she does an incredible job. The
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Speaker 17: fact is we want her to do her job so well,
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Speaker 17: maybe just leave some of the carry on luggage.
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Speaker 2: At home, Yeah, that's for sure. The left at Women's
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Speaker 2: Agenda or So defending Annika Wells, they've written this article
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Speaker 2: where they say the outrage over well says more about
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Speaker 2: us than it does about her, and they say we
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Speaker 2: can talk about value for money while still recognizing that
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Speaker 2: her presence as a young mother is itself something Australians
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Speaker 2: have called for loudly. Come on, you can't defend this
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Speaker 2: entitlement just because she's a mother, exactly. Don't do not
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Speaker 2: play that card.
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Speaker 17: That's an absolute it's a slap in the face to
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Speaker 17: all working mothers, and especially those working mothers that are
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Speaker 17: on you know, those frontline positions where you can't take
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Speaker 17: your kids to work, whether you be a teacher, a nurse,
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Speaker 17: a doctor. You know, they're the true bloody champions. Not
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Speaker 17: these don't not play the gender card. And obviously they said,
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Speaker 17: they did fail to point out that the majority of
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Speaker 17: the leaks like you reported a couple of nights ago
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Speaker 17: or coming from inside labor who have the quota system.
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Speaker 2: So you play by the rules, you die by the
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Speaker 2: rules exactly. Now, Jenne, this may be the last time
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Speaker 2: that you join us on the show for a little while,
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Speaker 2: because I mean you don't look like it. I have
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Speaker 2: to say. But you're about to have a big brother
45:05
Speaker 2: for little Louis, and we can show you a picture now,
45:09
Speaker 2: I think from when Louis was a newborn. Very sweet.
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Speaker 2: I mean literally, you're due any day. It was even
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Speaker 2: a risk you coming on the show tonight. How are
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Speaker 2: you feeling?
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Speaker 17: Look, I am incredibly blessed. They're all of the doom
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Speaker 17: and gloom in the world. I'm incredibly best harried, have
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Speaker 17: amazing friends like you, an incredible job and platform here
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Speaker 17: at Sky and The Australian, and a beautiful partner. And
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Speaker 17: again you take home two beautiful, healthy baby boys. Talk
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Speaker 17: into a safe home as all I could ask for
45:36
Speaker 17: two boys.
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Speaker 2: You were going to have your hands full. Trust me
45:39
Speaker 2: from a mother of two boys. A busy Jenna. Great
45:42
Speaker 2: to see you enjoy the newborn baby bubble. All right,
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Speaker 2: let's talk now about US President Donald Trump. He's made
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Speaker 2: headlines after an interview with Politico where he called European
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Speaker 2: leaders week for failing to end Russia's war in Ukraine.
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Speaker 6: Big talk, but they don't produce.
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Speaker 5: I think they're weak, But I also think that they
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Speaker 5: want to be so politically correct.
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Speaker 2: I think they don't know what to do.
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Speaker 13: They want to be politically correct, and it makes them weak.
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Speaker 2: That's what makes them weak. It's Kay and News contributed.
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Speaker 2: Kashagada joins me, Kaisha, this is quite the explosive interview.
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Speaker 18: Yes, it is classic Trump and something that we've seen
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Speaker 18: chari from this administration where they are not shy to
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Speaker 18: question things that have been around, even things like the
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Speaker 18: European American Alliance has been around for the better part
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Speaker 18: of the last century. And you know, if you think
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Speaker 18: about it, I would say that he is giving voice
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Speaker 18: to what a lot of people are thinking. If you
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Speaker 18: look at what United America and Europe over the past century,
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Speaker 18: it's demographics, shared heritage, shared value system of government, and
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Speaker 18: shared leadership in terms of shaping and bending the arc
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Speaker 18: of history. And if you look at just what's happening
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Speaker 18: in a lot of countries, they're around free speech violations
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Speaker 18: and weakness as it relates to Ukraine, or maybe not
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Speaker 18: doing more to influence that war, or outsourcing security to
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Speaker 18: the US. You know, these are all things that he
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Speaker 18: and Vice President in vance have been hitting on here
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Speaker 18: and there in different speeches, and I guess he's doubling
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Speaker 18: down on that message.
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Speaker 2: Look at the interview. He also accused Zolensky, Ukraine president,
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Speaker 2: of using the war to avoid elections. I mean, this
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Speaker 2: was extraordinary as well. It was.
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Speaker 18: It is something that I will say has gotten a
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Speaker 18: little bit of sort of airplay in US media and
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Speaker 18: on the ground with the electorate, and it seems to
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Speaker 18: sort of pop up now and then around this idea
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Speaker 18: that Zelenski himself is a person is not the most
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Speaker 18: sympathetic figure to Trump. There's that famous, infamous I should say,
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Speaker 18: meeting and the White House of course that happened, and
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Speaker 18: also Trump's base where they even if they are sympathetic
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Speaker 18: to Ukrainian sovereignty, they don't want all this killing that's happening.
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Speaker 18: It's not like they particularly love Russia or Putin. He's
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Speaker 18: certainly been in the crosshairs of Trump at different times,
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Speaker 18: so he's been sympathetic. He's also been angry and kind
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Speaker 18: of upset with him at different times. We've seen that
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Speaker 18: yo yo going on. But they don't really love Zelenski,
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Speaker 18: a lot of them and certainly Trump didn't. So I
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Speaker 18: think he basically was raising that issue that because of
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Speaker 18: martial law, since you're in the middle of a war,
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Speaker 18: their constitution allows that there is no election to be called,
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Speaker 18: and otherwise there would have been an election in May
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Speaker 18: twenty twenty four, and he's pointing that out. Maybe it's
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Speaker 18: part of the negotiations table where he likes to sort
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Speaker 18: of poke the weaknesses and then find the leverage on
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Speaker 18: both sides, But he's pointing that out for sure.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps they just finally Kamala Harris says she's a historic
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Speaker 2: figure she seems she doesn't know that she actually lost
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Speaker 2: the election.
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Speaker 18: Kosher, Yes, you know, she's pointing to the check box
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Speaker 18: thing where she is the first female that ever became
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Speaker 18: vice president of the United States, and like, if we're
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Speaker 18: checking boxes of melanin content and lady, I think that's
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Speaker 18: what she's pointing to. She's certainly historic in that way.
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Speaker 18: The Senate has had tradition since eighteen hundreds to commission
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Speaker 18: a bust or sculpture or vice presidents were technically the
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Speaker 18: president of the Senate, So she's pointing to that. But yes,
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Speaker 18: in terms of actual consequence, actual ability to win elections,
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Speaker 18: she does not have a great track record and we
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Speaker 18: all know it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, and she's doing this obviously in media interviews,
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Speaker 2: so we're seeing more and more ridiculous comments from her. Koshagada,
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Speaker 2: appreciate your time, Thank you so much, and thank you
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Speaker 2: everyone for your company tonight. I'll see you tomorrow night
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Speaker 2: as usual at eight pm. And right now after the break,
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Speaker 2: Paul Mari