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🚨 EMERGENCY PODCAST 🚨 JOSH KERR BREAKS THE MILE WORLD RECORD IN 3:42.66 · The CITIUS MAG Podcast | A Running + Track and Field Show

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  Emergency podcast. We needed to jump on the Mikes
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  right after the London Diamond League wrapped up because the
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  mile world record has fallen. Josh Kerr called the shot and he
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  did it. He just ran 34266.
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  Mission accomplished for Project 222.
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  He just absolutely smashed Hickamel Guruge's 27 year old
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  world record of three, 4313, first man to ever get under 343,
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  and his 1500 split was 3/27/62, faster than his own British
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  record for the distance. Before we get into just sort of
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  how the race played out and everything, Kyle, your instant
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  sort of reaction, 'cause you were always, I would say,
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  bullish on his odds of accomplishing this, whereas I
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  was a little bit more of a doubter.
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  And Even so, last week we recorded our preview podcast a
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  little bit way too early because there were tons of scratches and
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  stuff. And then I do think that a lot
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  of the public opinion changed in the last 24 hours when the, you
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  know, 242-1200 meter split came out from that workout on
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  YouTube. We'd known about it for a couple
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  days before that, but so I mean, it even just added to your
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  confidence in the fitness being there.
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  I think overall the pacing was the biggest question going into
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  it and it ended up being perfect.
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  Yeah. Look, in terms of moments in
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  track history that require an emergency podcast, I'm just glad
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  I didn't have a colonoscopy plan for today because this is, I
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  mean, I've, I've, I've lost elements of my voice.
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  I was screaming at the television.
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  It was really so much anticipation I felt.
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  Like. I didn't care about anything
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  else today. Like the entire meet I was like,
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  can we just get to the mile? And people were running well and
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  there were great races and I enjoyed it.
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  And then I was just like, but this is it.
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  Like this is the only thing I cared about, I would say in my
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  life for like the last few days, it's been the most important
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  moment to me. It was incredible.
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  It was so well delivered, the atmosphere.
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  I got a video sent to me from a friend who was in the stadium of
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  just like the last 200 meters and that place was going wild.
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  Like, I don't think TV did it justice.
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  It was so loud and exciting. I it's just like, it was like
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  the sort of thing where I like call my daughter and from the
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  other room I was like, you're gonna wanna like one day we
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  wanna be able to tell people that you saw this moment.
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  So again, like, I don't wanna like, speak in too much
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  hyperbole, but it was really a memorable, memorable moment,
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  even for those of us watching at home.
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  Yeah, I mean, I woke up to a text from you that was just
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  like, today is going to be a great day and that you were just
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  like, and I was right there with you.
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  I I think when I woke up, I was just like, how many more hours
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  till the mile at the London Diamond League?
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  And it was kind of nuts that even after all of this, that it
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  still wasn't the last event on the schedule because, you know,
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  they, they devised these things way in advance and there was
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  some hype leading into the women's 800.
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  But, you know, major kudos to someone like Josh and Keely who
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  hyped this meet up so far in advance.
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  Keely obviously not having the perfect season that she had
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  hoped for coming off of indoors. But for Josh, he appeared on
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  this podcast and announced that he was going to be going after
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  this back in March. And that's so much time to 1,
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  build up the fitness 2, risk potentially getting injured, and
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  three, just really putting it out there.
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  And historically, when he's done something like that, he has
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  delivered. He's done it.
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  Same thing jumping on the pod, talking about a world record at
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  the Milrose Games and he goes out and and does it.
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  And so for track, he's there's we we talked about this a little
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  bit in our group chat as the meet was going on.
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  David, I think had pointed out that like, it's kind of
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  fascinating how many people dislike Josh.
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  And you jumped in saying it's like, no, I think like it's kind
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  of really good because I mean, it makes you root for him even
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  more because, you know, that's the thing about sports is like,
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  not everyone is this super likable figure that everyone is
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  rooting for. I'm sure there were people who,
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  you know, were rooting for yard really hard in this race.
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  But a lot of credit goes to Josh for building this thing up.
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  And I, I wouldn't I would say not even like ducking any sort
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  of competition. We we did know in the lead up to
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  this that Cam Myers was invited to it.
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  Cole Hawker, maybe not at the fitness level to jump into a
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  race like this, but yard and a goose was, you know, took the
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  invitation to jump into an effort like this.
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  And so from let let's begin sort of with Josh as the the showman,
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  which is kind of lived up every single time he's done something
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  like this. And you know, for you, I guess,
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  like, I mean, it just added to why you root for an athlete like
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  him in this race. I mean the the balls to call it
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  in March. And which was Tim Hutchings, I
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  think said it on the broadcast, this was like the ballsiest
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  world record to go after. But it keeps you accountable and
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  that's the whole thing. It's an off year and normally
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  you would need the World Championships or an Olympic
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  medal to really motivate you as an athlete, especially someone
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  who's been doing it for as long as Josh has.
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  Like, he's 28 years old and he's been extremely good the last
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  decade. And so for someone who's been
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  doing it as long as he has, you need to find those things that
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  motivate you still. And to announce that you are
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  going to. That keeps you so honest in all
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  those moments in March and April and May when maybe you would
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  otherwise sacrifice a little bit less because it's not an Olympic
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  year. It just now all of a sudden you
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  put all the pressure on yourself and it forces you to be perfect
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  and do all those little things and find those 1% margins that
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  he obviously worked to find and I think would be his.
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  I mean, I when I think we, we were talking about what we
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  should ask Josh or like what we should have our team ask Josh on
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  boots on the ground. And the thing that I said is
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  like, look, when Jacob started running well 5-6 years ago,
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  threshold became the thing. Everyone is doing threshold now
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  all the time. And Josh does a little
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  threshold, but that's honest thing.
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  But the question I want to ask is what is the training take
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  away or the stimulus or the thing that Josh does that
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  everyone else should really like learn from this moment?
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  And I think for Josh, The thing is, is he's just finds 1%
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  everywhere and everything that he does always.
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  And I think it just has now added up to 100 and has given a
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  really special moment for everyone.
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  I we're, we're toying around with my audio on my side of
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  things 'cause there's a torrential downpour here in New
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  York City and that maybe it's picking up on the mic a little
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  bit. But we are going to attach the
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  interview that Preet just got in the mix zone with Josh Kerr to
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  the end of this episode. We haven't listened to it just
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  yet, but I did just get a text from Preet that says like a
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  minute into the whole thing, Josh gets super emotional
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  because of, I mean, this clearly meant so much to him and.
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  It means so much, Chris. It means so much to every
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  Miller. I can't like Express 34313 is
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  something that every kid growing up as a miler is like so
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  ingrained in you as like a number and a thing.
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  You know, it's the question you get all the time.
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  What's the mile world record like how fast have you run?
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  Like I would, I remember like you check into a hotel room and
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  you get room 343 and like they're like, wow, that's the
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  wow world record or some like small milestones in my career.
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  Like I think of 343 at like it just like a special thing, like
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  anytime you see those numbers. And so the fact that that is now
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  342, I'm so happy it's not 34312 like 342 is such a new, but that
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  I think This is why I'm so excited and I'm glad that we're
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  doing this podcast immediately after a while.
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  I'm still buzzing but like it's not just exciting for Josh, it's
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  exciting for everyone who like that.
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  Mark has always meant a lot too and it's been 27 years, so it's
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  no doubt that something worth getting emotional doubt for him.
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  And I mean, if you think about it, just like for the longest
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  time for so many of these records, we've been treated to
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  like having to dig to find the grainy YouTube video of what
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  that performance was. And now we have this one at
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  least like in 4K for the future generations of people to be able
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  to go out and watch. I mean, think about it, this
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  thing stood since 1999. And for context, I guess, which
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  we've discussed before to, to set up what was what we were
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  going after here. It was El Guruge had survived so
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  many different challenges over the years.
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  It in Rome 1999, it took a pretty big race with no one
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  getting to get that record. And so part of the reason why
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  Yarat entering this one was exciting, because we expected
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  him to be right on his heels and it played out a little bit
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  differently. So, yeah, I mean this, it had
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  been, like you said, a record that had been at the top of the
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  books for the long for a really, really long time.
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  And now honestly, like we'll we'll get to sort of what comes
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  next after this with that 15 record and what this performance
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  means for that. And and like after we dissect
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  this race. But all right, let's kind of
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  dive into just sort of how it all went down.
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  So let's start in the lead up a little bit of why I was so
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  confident in this. First off, I do just want to
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  like acknowledge and give so much credit to Josh the way that
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  he handled world's last year. Hugely disappointing moment.
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  Just took it on the chin right? Like a lot of athletes, that
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  would be a really defining moment for them.
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  And we had heard and I believe it because he's he's always been
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  pretty truthful about how things are going that he was in
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  incredible shape leading it to world's got hurt and just took
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  the offseason to recover. Reset came out hard of the
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  indoor season and he didn't let that disappointment linger.
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  And to then coming off that disappointment, make this call.
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  I just think it's like chef's kiss, like such a a sports
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  psychologist dream of like having a of the memory of a
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  goldfish and like resetting. But the reason why I was so
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  confident first is this is not the first time that someone has
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  been in good enough shape to go after the mile world record.
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  I I do believe Josh was previously in good enough shape.
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  I believe that there's a chance yard had previously been in
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  shape. I think Jacob has probably
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  previously been in shape. I mean, Cole obviously then
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  therefore probably in good enough shape to have done it
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  before, but it. Just who even knows, Cam Myers
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  might be in shape right now for to get close, right?
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  And so all that to say is I don't think it was some like
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  impossible thing to do. I I think that it required a lot
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  of things to go perfectly in the last number of months.
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  But I think that we have been there before.
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  So that's, that's the first. And then the the next thing is
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  when you watch the Josh workout videos, it is not about the
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  times and the times were very impressive and they were good,
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  especially that 262 workout. To me that added up.
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  I don't necessarily think the four by 800 workout added up to
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  342262 did, but when you see his reaction to the way he is
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  running workouts. So if you take the idea that
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  he'd been in good enough shape before and he is reacting to
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  workouts in a way of wow, I'm doing things I've never done
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  before. That's all I needed to see.
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  Because if I already believed he was in 342 shape at points the
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  last couple of years and he's doing things better, then that's
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  it. Like he know he knows his
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  training better than anyone and what he had to do to win all of
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  his previous medals. So that's it.
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  Like I was, it was almost like it wasn't scientific analysis or
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  anything. It was just look at his face and
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  look at what he's saying. Like he thinks he can do it.
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  Why would he like you're not publishing a YouTube video 2
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  weeks before saying you can do it if it's like not happening or
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  like there's no shot. So that that's why I was so
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  confident. And then obviously 242 I mean.
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  What did he say at the end of it?
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  It was like, what? You don't think I could rent a
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  60 after this or something like that?
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  Yeah, yeah. So I mean, Chris, your journey
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  on this was you didn't fully believe it, but then I think
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  when you heard 242 a few days ago, that was the moment that it
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  of this episode. Basically, we'll take you
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  through. Just sort of like the thought
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  process was one. I thought Hobbes was going to be
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  in here, and I was. I had some ideas for chaos for
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  him to try and disrupt the whole thing.
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  Then afterwards, those thoughts settled in and I was like, you
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  know what? No one's going to risk ever
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  getting not invited again to the London Diamond League and being
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  silly enough to do that. So then Hobbs actually scratched
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  and I was like, all right, well, now he's going to do it.
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  Especially because I think, you know, we had heard through the
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  Grapevine that it was 242, but so much of the the details
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  behind it were still a little unclear to us as to it was in
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  Albuquerque. We didn't know if it was 12109
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  meters. Like was it 242 or 244?
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  Like we heard a range at 1st. And so then when we got the
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  concrete evidence that it was 242, I was like, Oh yeah, I
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  mean, that's nasty work. And.
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  Closing AT518. Yeah, and I'd I'd, you know, I
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  always like just sort of like going and trying to find the
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  historical context behind how people have done before.
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  And like Al Ghuruji I think was around 2:47 when he did it.
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  And so you got you think it's like, all right, well, he's
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  going to be a little bit more measured and then have to hold
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  on. And yesterday I've downloaded
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  some Chinese app and was able to watch like the one race from
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  2002 where El Guerrouj went after his own world record,
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  which at that point in the 1500 and went through in 244, I think
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  was it. It was at.
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  That's still I think the the fastest. 1200 split in the
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  middle of a race and that was for a 1500 and he falls short of
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  breaking his own world record. And I was like, all right, well,
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  this is it is this is after seeing Josh run 242 and I'm like
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  he's got to hold it together for 100 more 109 more meters than
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  than Algar Rouge did running, you know, 326 high at that
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  point. And so I went I was still going
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  back and forth, but part of me did sort of start to believe
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  that this thing was was going to go down and it was just a matter
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  of like how far yard was also going to go to try and, you
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  know, push him. And he proved today he didn't
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  necessarily need all of those extra things.
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  So how it all went down was First off, I think actually, so
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  my doubts were less after a while on Josh.
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  It was more and this is hand up like, you know, it was on
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  Brandon Kidder. Honestly, I thought because like
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  he didn't have necessarily the best race right at at the sound
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  meet not that long ago. Seeing him in that workout video
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  kind of delivering, you know, 750 meters of really good pace
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  work to Josh went a little bit further in just sort of the
• 21:39
  belief that he could do it. It was all it was all going to
• 21:43
  come down to to to the pacing. And then today it did end up
• 21:46
  going perfect. Kidder hits 400-5475 then goes
• 21:50
  through 800 one 5063 steps steps aside.
• 21:54
  Zan Rudolph comes in doesn't go maybe as far as Kerr had hoped
• 22:00
  for, but that's fine. It was the last 600 meters that
• 22:04
  Kerr then was in the front had to take it himself.
• 22:07
  Hits the 1200 and two 4639. Now you've got 60,000 plus fans
• 22:14
  in London screaming their heads off for you.
• 22:16
  I'm sure that does something that just triggers this extra
• 22:20
  surge of adrenaline. Your heart is beating out of
• 22:23
  your chest and he was, you know, gapping yard at at first it was
• 22:29
  sort of like head scratching is like is is Josh accelerating or
• 22:33
  is yard coming back? And it was Josh getting getting
• 22:35
  faster. He ends up, you know, just kind
• 22:39
  of being fairly consistent after all of the Pacers had dropped
• 22:43
  out where I think it was once he was completely solo, all the
• 22:47
  final 100 meter splits were between 13 six and 1371.
• 22:53
  So I mean, like that was he was accelerating the, you know, in
• 22:56
  that in those final stages. And so to be able to deliver
• 23:00
  that level of consistency in that final lap sealed the deal.
• 23:04
  And yeah, wins 342663 seconds over Yard.
• 23:09
  That's that's the part that's kind of wild too.
• 23:12
  Well, Yard. Went until he couldn't, right?
• 23:14
  And if you're a yard and you're a 343 guy, you have to do it.
• 23:18
  I think one of the things that I love about this so much is how
• 23:25
  different Josh has approached this versus Elgar Rouge and like
• 23:31
  getting that record. So First off, Elgar Rouge had a
• 23:37
  full on race. Yeah, right.
• 23:39
  Like he had no Negaunee, like they ran to the line.
• 23:42
  He had to win that race in order to get the world record.
• 23:46
  The fact that Josh just did it solo for the last 600 meters is
• 23:51
  incredible. And the the rabbits did their
• 23:56
  job. Obviously I would have wished
• 24:00
  that someone could have gotten him to 1200 meters, let alone
• 24:04
  all the way around. But there's so many people in
• 24:08
  the world that. You could do that.
• 24:09
  Although I will say earlier in the day, a great sign of Brandon
• 24:13
  Miller going 142. I was like, he's like one of
• 24:16
  those guys who it's like, all right, maybe you call a big dog
• 24:19
  like him to try and go a little bit further than AK.
• 24:24
  But the Pacers did end up doing their job.
• 24:26
  But to your point, yes, there are so few people who are
• 24:29
  available to go that deep into the race.
• 24:31
  There is a world in which Josh breaks 342 today, right?
• 24:38
  Like, is that crazy to say? Like if he had a rabbit going
• 24:42
  another few 100 meters and then someone to race the last 200,
• 24:46
  someone pulling up on his shoulder the last 100.
• 24:48
  Is a healthy 100% Yakov Where like then yeah.
• 24:53
  I think he's in shape to done it.
• 24:55
  I mean, nobody runs their best times running the last 600 all
• 25:01
  by themselves, running fully away from a field like that's
• 25:04
  just that's not what we normally see.
• 25:07
  So I love the way that he did that.
• 25:11
  I then the other big thing is the difference of just the way
• 25:16
  Elgar Rouge and Josh approach the sport is fascinating.
• 25:20
  Josh races every now and then and when he races he goes hard
• 25:25
  and he like really circles things on the calendar.
• 25:29
  Elgar Rouge raced constantly. He he's always racing and like
• 25:35
  when you think of like their 10th best time going up head to
• 25:49
  And so I just appreciate that Josh just has his methodology
• 25:54
  that he does and like comes to the sport and brings.
• 25:57
  And I think it's just, you know, it, it works for him really
• 26:01
  well. And then the last part is just
• 26:03
  like Josh versus Elgarridge. Elgarridge won an Olympic gold
• 26:06
  at 5000. Yeah.
• 26:09
  Josh definitely comes at things with lower mileage and a little
• 26:13
  bit more speed oriented. 815 type guy.
• 26:17
  Obviously he can run a 3K and two mile and I think one day
• 26:21
  we'll see him run a a grade 5K. But you know, Elgar Rouge was a
• 26:24
  147 guy. I think he closed faster to win
• 26:28
  the Olympics. And so it's just, I think it's
• 26:33
  just interesting contrast the the way that that both things
• 26:37
  went down. Plus, this was known to be just
• 26:40
  sort of what Josh was peeking for.
• 26:43
  And we know that him and coach Danny Mackie have just done a
• 26:46
  tremendous job each time out of being in the best shape for
• 26:51
  whatever they choose to circle as like the big moment on the
• 26:54
  calendar. It doesn't seem like they've
• 26:56
  necessarily missed barring injury, right?
• 26:59
  Each time out, you can argue and we've it's a big what if now,
• 27:02
  right? Like what if Josh had not
• 27:04
  tweaked his calf in that semi final in in 2025?
• 27:09
  Like, what could he have done in the final?
• 27:11
  Because it was clear that he was in crazy good fitness.
• 27:16
  And so for Josh, this was his his Super Bowl.
• 27:18
  I think anything that comes after this is, is, you know,
• 27:21
  riding off of this fitness. And it's a great, you know,
• 27:24
  starting point. Commonwealth in like this was a
• 27:28
  home meet for Josh. Yeah, you think the Commonwealth
• 27:31
  Games is his Super Bowl for the year?
• 27:36
  I would be interested to hear. I mean, this is first, so you
• 27:41
  obviously focus on this, but Commonwealth in your home, like
• 27:47
  like in Scotland? Yeah, I don't know.
• 27:51
  I'm sure he won't sleep tonight and then he'll quickly start
• 27:57
  preparing for a second Super Bowl, but that's a big deal,
• 28:00
  too. Yeah, yeah.
• 28:02
  But I get, but so if you think about it like he needed to be in
• 28:05
  his peak fitness to accomplish what he did today.
• 28:10
  If you take his fitness maybe 2 weeks ago, he could still
• 28:14
  probably come away with a Commonwealth Games victory,
• 28:17
  right? Like it's sort of like what I'm,
• 28:20
  what I'm thinking is you're sort of like he needed to achieve the
• 28:23
  level of fitness for this performance.
• 28:25
  Whereas Commonwealth Games, like he's a savvy and he's one of the
• 28:28
  best racers in the whole entire world that even if he was in
• 28:33
  last year's shape, he could probably get away with a medal
• 28:36
  and even gold at Commonwealth Games.
• 28:38
  But it's just sort of like he need he needed to invest so much
• 28:41
  into this effort. I think that it's going to
• 28:43
  obviously benefit him for the rest of the season.
• 28:45
  And so I don't think he's necessarily vocalized.
• 28:49
  And, you know, I think I I talked to one of his agents in
• 28:52
  the lead up to this. I was like, Hey, you know, Josh
• 28:54
  isn't in the quota right now for world ultimate champs.
• 28:57
  Cause like he's hasn't raced enough in the window.
• 29:01
  And they're like, yeah, I mean, it's, it's that's a discussion
• 29:05
  for after this week. Like there's been so much pent
• 29:08
  up and built up for London and then for Comm games that after
• 29:13
  that is sort of like when they'll decide if they'll take
• 29:15
  this all the way through to, to September.
• 29:17
  It would be really nice, right? Like we want to see some of the
• 29:19
  best in the world. And we know that Yared has
• 29:22
  already through, I think comments by Dathan Ritzenheim
• 29:25
  has said that that's going to be just sort of where he wants to
• 29:28
  be at his best. And so we're just seeing because
• 29:31
  of the beauty of the quote, UN quote off year, all these
• 29:34
  athletes have these different priorities all throughout.
• 29:37
  And so for Josh, this was definitely like one of the
• 29:39
  biggest ones. So I definitely wanted, yeah.
• 29:42
  This had a huge marketing engine behind it. 100% Brooks and
• 29:46
  Project 222. Kudos to them.
• 29:49
  I thought they crushed it. I loved watching all the YouTube
• 29:52
  videos at 3 minutes and 43 seconds for each of them.
• 29:58
  And and I also just love that he did it in a very real race.
• 30:02
  And I understand why some of the other top athletes that we maybe
• 30:09
  wish would have been in this didn't run.
• 30:13
  But I'm a little disappointed that a few guys knew that they
• 30:18
  were going to have a rabbit for 16109 meters and decided not to
• 30:22
  run in London because you could just gotten on that train and
• 30:30
  see what you could do. And so, you know, ultimately, as
• 30:33
  far as Diamond League, 15 hundreds of miles go, this was
• 30:37
  arguably the weakest one. It's like, for a while it was
• 30:43
  not a deep race. They ended up running fast.
• 30:45
  I mean, Yarrett obviously ran 345, JK Ward 346 from the depths
• 30:50
  of hell coming out. He's #3 on the British like all
• 30:54
  time list and I mean would a comeback if there's like
• 30:58
  comeback player of the year, it's in cause like what?
• 31:01
  I need him on a Sidious Mag podcast after what he's gone
• 31:05
  through these last few years. 346 unbelievable.
• 31:09
  Farkin obviously ran 346 Nathan Greene 348 O for PB.
• 31:13
  Like we ended up getting great times, but on paper walking in
• 31:18
  today it was not as deep as it could have been.
• 31:22
  Some of the guys are DNFS, Mohammed Abdullahi and Simeon
• 31:25
  Birnbaum. I will give them credit cause
• 31:27
  like they sent it like you could see, you could see in the race
• 31:30
  broadcast, they didn't make it as far as maybe they'd hoped,
• 31:32
  but both those guys ended up DNFS like they went for it for
• 31:36
  quite a bit. Simeon as well in his Diamond
• 31:38
  League debut, trying to take it that deep.
• 31:42
  But yeah, really impressive. So you had yard running faster
• 31:47
  at this meet than he did at the Pre Classic JK Ward with that
• 31:51
  huge PB. Yeah.
• 31:53
  I mean National Records PBS all the way down to 9th place.
• 31:57
  He got Sam Prekel dipping under 350 and going 34963.
• 32:02
  He's been on a little bit of a of a tear as well.
• 32:06
  Overall it was, you know, all eyes were clearly on the front
• 32:10
  end with Josh and and yard, but. Arlo Ludwick on a tear right
• 32:16
  now. Look, I know that your audience
• 32:18
  may not be familiar, but that's a great 348 one for him.
• 32:21
  Our British fans. I know Preet is fired up about
• 32:24
  that one. He was, he's the British 1500
• 32:26
  champ, I'm pretty sure is what we, we talked about him a little
• 32:30
  bit in the preview because I was like, who is this guy?
• 32:32
  And Preet like highlighted, so he's having like the season.
• 32:36
  Of a good one, yeah. So yeah, I'm just again, like,
• 32:40
  surprised. Like where's Timothy Cherry at?
• 32:43
  Like he would have probably been down to go through.
• 32:46
  But other people are getting ready for Commonwealth Games
• 32:49
  and, you know, they're Europeans or different parts of the
• 32:53
  season. National championships are
• 32:55
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• 32:57
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  Does it surprise you at all? I guess just sort of that, you
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  know, because I think it was Ath stats or whatever it is.
• 35:24
  Is it from the, he's a statistician from Australia on
• 35:28
  Twitter pointed out that if, you know, Yarid or if Josh broke the
• 35:32
  world record, he'd be maybe the second oldest person to break
• 35:35
  the mile world record. He's 29 years old.
• 35:40
  Like what part of that is surprising to you or not?
• 35:44
  Not because it's it does feel like so much of this has been a
• 35:49
  result of compounding fitness from over the years.
• 35:52
  Like if you go back, no one has probably had a better last five
• 35:58
  years in the sport than Josh than in the 1500 than Josh Kerr.
• 36:01
  Yeah, a quick correction. He's 2828.
• 36:04
  Don't don't make up years yet, Chris.
• 36:08
  He's got life left. Yeah, I was thinking about that.
• 36:12
  Just the amount that since 2020, Josh has just been there, always
• 36:21
  so consistently on the medal stand, breaking records.
• 36:24
  His only blips right, are 2022 in Eugene.
• 36:27
  He made the final but then had a little bit of had a stinker
• 36:30
  there. That's that was maybe his worst
• 36:32
  year of the last couple years and then last year just
• 36:36
  unfortunately getting injured at the wrong time.
• 36:38
  But other than that, like, there really hasn't been too many
• 36:40
  misses. Yeah.
• 36:42
  And you know, before that he was winning instead of Blaze left
• 36:45
  and right. So, yeah, it's all right.
• 36:51
  So thinking a little bit now about the legacy.
• 36:55
  Yeah, the goat conversation and this is where we're.
• 36:57
  Going to goat convos and unless you have anything else about the
• 37:00
  actual race, but where do we slide in?
• 37:07
  Right now, it's so it's hard, right?
• 37:10
  Because the value of an Olympic gold medal is so high in
• 37:15
  conversations like this. And that's the one in the set
• 37:18
  that's missing for Josh at the Games.
• 37:21
  He'd come, he came so close in 2024.
• 37:26
  And so much of this could be, I guess, like there's so much of
• 37:31
  this discussion could be already taken care of if he would have
• 37:34
  just won that for that race. And then at the same time,
• 37:42
  you'll have your critics who make the case against Josh for
• 37:46
  the total body of work, not having as many sub, you know,
• 37:51
  320 eights as Elgar Rouge or 3/23/20 nines as him.
• 37:57
  But it's because, like, we're in a different era of racing where
• 38:00
  it's like he's not necessarily getting out there as much.
• 38:02
  So as of right now, I wonder if he's if he's moved all the way
• 38:07
  up to like #2 on like all time in the, in the GOAT conversation
• 38:11
  behind Elgar Rouge until he maybe snags the 15 world record
• 38:16
  from him. But because he does have two
• 38:19
  Olympic medals. But the problem is it's just
• 38:21
  neither of them are gold. Yeah.
• 38:24
  It's so hard. I mean, so the question would
• 38:27
  be, does he usurp Nordian Morchelli, right?
• 38:30
  Like who had set the mile world record and prior to El Guruge
• 38:38
  was really running the event, so he won Atlanta 96 Worlds in
• 38:44
  959391. That's a lot of SO.
• 38:48
  He's got he's got 4 golds and a world indoor 1500 gold.
• 38:53
  Wow. But now Josh has run faster in
• 38:58
  the mile. So they're, they're pretty close
• 39:03
  I would say, you know, I think, I think in within two years he
• 39:09
  gets more Sally. OK, so you're, you're putting
• 39:12
  Josh at #3 on the Mount Rushmore.
• 39:16
  And again, up where we're not asking questions here.
• 39:20
  This is all subjective, right? Yeah.
• 39:22
  Yeah, yeah. But I'm saying we're not diving
• 39:24
  into. The era that these guys were
• 39:27
  running at, I mean, that's an important thing to note.
• 39:29
  I mean, for the listeners who are probably just like, oh, what
• 39:31
  are they getting at? Well, it's like so many of these
• 39:33
  Marks and times and performances were set before there was proper
• 39:37
  testing for EPO and the athlete biological passport way before
• 39:43
  super shoes. And so, yeah, I mean, it's, it's
• 39:47
  OK for people to have their level of skepticism for those
• 39:51
  times and performances. So, but at the same time, like
• 39:55
  here's I was, I was having this discussion yesterday with
• 39:58
  someone because they were like would does would it shock you if
• 40:03
  now you know Josh is getting drug tested right after this
• 40:08
  race, right? Pee, blood, all that kind of
• 40:11
  stuff. And in a couple.
• 40:13
  Of other stuff. What spit COVID test?
• 40:18
  I don't know. Test test them for whatever.
• 40:20
  Take a stool sample if you want, but and, and in a couple weeks,
• 40:26
  you know, we'll get the, the, you know, official ratification
• 40:31
  from World Athletics. Maybe it takes a couple months,
• 40:33
  whatever that they. Just want another Instagram
• 40:35
  post? Yeah, yeah.
• 40:37
  That the world record's been ratified and you can, you know,
• 40:42
  have your belief about what you saw was true and real.
• 40:47
  And and so I think Josh is one of those athletes that I have
• 40:51
  high confidence in is doing things the right way.
• 40:54
  He's always been a very vocal critic of, you know, he's
• 40:57
  doesn't have any Tues. He is very much pro clean sport.
• 41:05
  So that's sort of where maybe it does drive more points toward
• 41:10
  him in his, you know, legacy that he's doing all of this in
• 41:13
  an era where you can have a greater sense of confidence in
• 41:16
  the performance. So I'm sure there will be people
• 41:19
  who are ready to, you know, hand them, you know, the GOAT title
• 41:23
  after this. I want it.
• 41:25
  I, you know, this is already like the best event in track and
• 41:29
  field, and now it's only gotten even more entertaining in the
• 41:34
  lead up to 2028. Josh has earned the right to
• 41:38
  talk his talk for whatever he wants to kind of declare and
• 41:43
  throw out there. And so, yeah, it's there's two
• 41:48
  more big boxes for him to check. It's the 1500 meter world record
• 41:52
  and it's the Olympic gold medal in LA 28 and I would assume that
• 41:59
  the 15 one will probably try and come soon because he did split a
• 42:04
  personal best today and route to his mile world record.
• 42:09
  Yeah, I mean, he obviously has some championship racing and
• 42:12
  that'll help him get into the World Ultimate Championships if
• 42:14
  he runs 325. Well, also I was thinking it was
• 42:18
  like, you know how they have those special invitations from
• 42:20
  Sebco? He would probably get one now,
• 42:23
  especially more than anything for a spot at the World Ultimate
• 42:26
  Champs. Yeah.
• 42:26
  This will help his ranking. Chris, I just want to go out and
• 42:31
  say that the anti Josh Kerr rhetoric and narrative that
• 42:38
  exists out there is so misplaced and wrong.
• 42:44
  So everything Josh does is so good for the sport.
• 42:49
  He is so vocal, he is super transparent, he shares
• 42:54
  everything. He does things the right way and
• 42:59
  and like, even if you root against him because you like
• 43:03
  Jakob or you like Cole or you like Jared, he makes people care
• 43:06
  so much. And that's so good.
• 43:09
  But I also just want to take a step back and just say like,
• 43:12
  it's clearly a persona of sorts that he knows that when he
• 43:17
  speaks in a lot with a lot of confidence that it gets people
• 43:21
  interested. It's kind of like Noah Lyles,
• 43:24
  who has a little bit of a persona we know.
• 43:27
  But it's funny because all of Josh's teammates love him and
• 43:33
  everyone that I know that has ever interacted with Josh really
• 43:36
  respect him and enjoys company. And it's just like bad people
• 43:41
  have been completely fooled by the little bit of like wrestling
• 43:45
  trash talk that he does sometimes and like legitimately
• 43:49
  don't like him for that reason. And it's just he makes you care
• 43:55
  in a sport that so desperately needs people to make you care.
• 43:58
  And I think he's crushing everything he's doing to get
• 44:03
  people invested in it. And hopefully this one some some
• 44:08
  people over to approach Josh Kerr, although we need some anti
• 44:13
  Josh Kerr out there because it makes it interesting, but.
• 44:16
  Yeah, I guess like what do you think is the the side that
• 44:18
  people miss when it comes to Josh?
• 44:22
  You've had your professional dealings with him obviously last
• 44:25
  year signing him as an athlete. And I think when the cameras are
• 44:30
  off, you do sometimes see a different Josh in a, in a, in a
• 44:35
  good way. Case in point.
• 44:38
  And I'll share this moment that I, that I saw we were at Milrose
• 44:40
  Games this year right before the meet started.
• 44:45
  I think we were by the credential pick up when you
• 44:47
  walked in. And I think Josh walked in, I
• 44:49
  think like maybe 5 or so minutes later and like he pulled you
• 44:52
  aside and it was it like it like just just to talk to you
• 44:56
  one-on-one. And it was more about like, hey,
• 44:59
  like, obviously the business dealings of what what you guys
• 45:04
  had been going through over the last, you know, 12 months or so
• 45:07
  were not great. But he was just genuinely happy
• 45:10
  that you would still chose to be involved in the sport.
• 45:14
  And he's someone who just cares about the sport at so many
• 45:17
  different levels beyond just sort of like him as an athlete,
• 45:20
  him as a marketer. Like he's always been one who
• 45:24
  makes time for it. I would say so many different
• 45:27
  people. Yeah, no, I mean, always so easy
• 45:30
  to get him like on the phone to talk to journalists or to do
• 45:36
  media things or appearances, any of that, always signing
• 45:40
  autographs. But yeah, to your point, it was
• 45:43
  it was Melrose. It was like my first actual
• 45:45
  track meet that I had attended again since the whole GST
• 45:48
  debacle. And was I was, you know, feeling
• 45:52
  a certain way about being back at a track meet.
• 45:53
  And Josh saw me, came up and like, gave me just a, hey, no
• 45:59
  one blames you. Everyone knows like, and I'm
• 46:04
  pumped that you're back and working with Sidious because the
• 46:06
  sport needs you. And it's like, that's just
• 46:07
  that's how he operates. That's type of guy he is.
• 46:10
  And then you give him a microphone and a platform on
• 46:15
  stage the day before in a press conference and he's going to
• 46:18
  like make things interesting. So I'm very happy for him, as
• 46:23
  you could probably tell by the tone of my voice the last 45
• 46:26
  minutes to this podcast, both for just like Josh the person
• 46:29
  and what he is doing to like just bring excitement to the
• 46:34
  sport, which is obviously something that we're really
• 46:36
  passionate about. Yeah.
• 46:38
  All right, so I think just to wrap this up, we've got we'll do
• 46:42
  a full this week in track and field breakdown of the London
• 46:44
  Diamond League when Pre jumps on the Mike come Monday.
• 46:48
  But we definitely wanted to spend some extra time and react
• 46:52
  while the feelings are still so fresh to this 34266 world
• 46:57
  record. And yeah, we have tons of
• 47:00
  interviews on the Cidius Mag YouTube channel that Preet has
• 47:03
  been gathering in the mix zone. We will attach the Josh Kerr
• 47:08
  interview to this episode right after so you can listen to his
• 47:12
  post race thoughts and feelings. And yeah, I mean, what an
• 47:16
  incredible day for milers all around the world and for the
• 47:20
  sport in general. So super exciting stuff.
• 47:24
  And yeah, the, it's fun because I guess, like, you know, I was
• 47:29
  just at Fanatics Fest here in New York City a couple days ago
• 47:33
  and it, it struck me that I, I watched Jalen Brunson and Josh
• 47:40
  Hart interview Aaron Judge. It was all right.
• 47:42
  It was, it was, I was mostly there because I was like, I
• 47:44
  didn't get to go to any of the games, didn't get to go to the
• 47:46
  parade. I wanted to be kind of up close
• 47:49
  and see the Champs. And Josh Hart asked Aaron Judge
• 47:55
  like, hey, like since I've been playing for the Knicks, like
• 47:58
  I've just found out that Nick's Twitter is like crazy.
• 48:02
  He sits on and if you follow Josh Hart on Twitter or if
• 48:05
  you're in that side of your algorithm with the NBA and stuff
• 48:09
  like he's he responds to people, responds to fans and all that
• 48:14
  kind of stuff. And he asks Aaron Judges, like,
• 48:16
  are you also on like Yankees Twitter?
• 48:18
  Yankees Twitter is like kind of wild because he gets now Josh
• 48:20
  Harkins exposed to all New York Twitter.
• 48:24
  And Aaron Judge was like, no, I just kind of like stay focused
• 48:29
  on my thing. I'm not as much on social media.
• 48:31
  And it's funny because like there are so many of those
• 48:34
  different types of athletes like Josh Hart.
• 48:37
  I mean, Josh Kerr resembles more of like the Aaron Judge type or
• 48:40
  just sort of like more to himself.
• 48:43
  Yes, you see like all the social media posts, but we all know at
• 48:45
  this point that he's got like a a separate social media team to
• 48:48
  to things. And so, but whereas like I go
• 48:52
  back to worlds 2023 where we sat down with like Noah Lyles and he
• 48:58
  was telling us he was listening to this podcast, like the days
• 49:01
  leading up in the days leading up to his races.
• 49:04
  And when we interviewed him after winning gold, he was like,
• 49:07
  which one of you was the one who like doubted me?
• 49:09
  And so it's just really cool. I guess like that we're just
• 49:12
  this deep within the sport and we're able to kind of have these
• 49:16
  moments with the athletes. So obviously, I guess like the
• 49:18
  next hope is we can get Josh on the pod sometime next week and
• 49:23
  and chat him chat him up. So should be good.
• 49:26
  All right, well that does it for this episode.
• 49:28
  Hope you guys enjoyed it and we will catch you guys again on
• 49:32
  Monday. When did you know it was the?
• 49:36
  First couple 100 years, you know, my pacemakers did their
• 49:38
  job. They set the tone and I was
• 49:39
  falling down the red. The weather was great, the track
• 49:41
  was electric and at that point it was just stay present every
• 49:44
  step and the left, it didn't build too much and I was able to
• 49:47
  press that squeeze, that last one.
• 49:49
  And can you describe the last 100 meters, what was going
• 49:51
  through your mind and in that moment when you crossed the line
• 49:54
  and you knew you'd done? It I was super present and I did
• 49:57
  slow down a little bit and that was so me, but I got to line as
• 49:59
  quickly as I could. I thought, you know, my best
• 50:02
  day, I could probably be a couple of seconds under it.
• 50:03
  And today I was half a second under it.
• 50:05
  And you know, that was probably me just soaking it in that last
• 50:07
  100 or so. But you know, the splits were
• 50:09
  great early and they flowed through the middle and, and I'd
• 50:12
  squeeze that last one and you know, that's what needed to be
• 50:15
  done. And I was sending TV's all
• 50:16
  around the place. So we're having a good time.
• 50:18
  And last one from me, what does it mean to do it here in London
• 50:21
  in front of that crowd and the history of British Mile running?
• 50:24
  Yeah, I think, you know, if I want to go out and run a world
• 50:26
  record, you can do that anywhere in the world.
• 50:28
  But if you want to affect the generation and, and do it for
• 50:30
  your people and you have to do it at your home and, you know,
• 50:33
  to be able to have an incredible Diamond League here that had a
• 50:36
  an amazing crowd and people that hopefully will will take that
• 50:39
  performance to their local clubs and, and, and then effect and
• 50:42
  some coaching staff and parents to bring their kids down to the
• 50:45
  local running tracks. I will try and be available for
• 50:47
  for them over the next few weeks for the Commonwealth Games.
• 50:49
  And that's what they like to say.
• 50:51
  I want to leave. Thank you.
• 50:53
  Congrats on a 15 PB. Is that what it was?
• 50:56
  327 five. There's been lots of talk about
• 50:59
  the physical fatigue. What about the mental fatigue
• 51:02
  like what you've put in in the last three months for this?
• 51:04
  Yeah, it's not, it's not registered yet.
• 51:06
  I think the. The it's what you put in is what
• 51:14
  your team's put in. It's everything.
• 51:15
  And like you couldn't do the more proud than you did then and
• 51:18
  the effort you put in emotionally to do this, How many
• 51:22
  times can you do that in a career?
• 51:24
  It's hard. I think it's always tough.
• 51:28
  It's that's all of me. That's every matter I want to
• 51:32
  do. It's it's a hard job, but you're
• 51:35
  not bulletproofing and and the sport is hard.
• 51:38
  Every sport is difficult. Everyone's going through the
• 51:39
  battles, but that's all I had today.
• 51:41
  Yeah. Do you feel kind of more excited
• 51:43
  if you can turn your attention back to championship running?
• 51:45
  Does that feel easier after having focused on something like
• 51:48
  this? How do you compare the 2?
• 51:50
  It's a good balance. I think, you know, having yard
• 51:52
  in there, what an incredible athlete he is and I saw I peeked
• 51:55
  at him in the 1st 100 and I was like, all right, let's jump on
• 51:58
  and let's get to work a little bit.
• 51:59
  And so it was a balance. I was working against the clock.
• 52:03
  I was working against him a little bit and you know, he's
• 52:05
  such an incredible athlete and he brought the best at me as
• 52:07
  well today. So yeah, there's some great 1500
• 52:09
  guys right now on the circuit and there's a couple that are
• 52:12
  working their way back. So this this event will get back
• 52:14
  to its best and hopefully we can continue to make battles and and
• 52:18
  put together performances like that.
• 52:19
  There's only one guy that's run 222 there, so.
• 52:21
  Yeah, as of right now, yeah, right now, hopefully.
• 52:25
  Yeah. I know that's going to rouse
• 52:26
  some boys up. So it's going to be a great
• 52:27
  event to watch all the way through the games.
• 52:29
  Did you realize you've broken the British record for 1500?
• 52:32
  During the I did, that's why I was so slow the last hundred.
• 52:34
  I was asking. No, it was, it was great.
• 52:37
  You know, I said if I can see anything in the 27th to the
• 52:39
  split, I'll be a happy man. And I told my parents the same
• 52:42
  thing. I said if you see 46, you see
• 52:45
  27. You know, you know that I've got
• 52:48
  it and I just lift your knees, get to the line.
• 52:49
  But. You saw the.
• 52:50
  Cop as well while you were running I only came up for air
• 52:52
  about two or three times and and then because I trust my Pacers
• 52:55
  so you know I I had a peek and I saw the lights weren't weren't
• 52:58
  getting too far ahead of me and I I knew I was going to have to
• 53:00
  be on the attack and that last 600 so yeah there was a couple
• 53:02
  times that I saw splits that I needed and yeah they were they
• 53:05
  were coming to me I wasn't playing too much fun can I just.
• 53:08
  Ask you. So I spoke to some of the other
• 53:10
  guys who were erased with him and they just felt it.
• 53:14
  One of the grips were shaky, The noise of the stadium.
• 53:18
  Why do we feel like that? You know, I I've been lucky
• 53:21
  enough to be in some pretty incredible stadiums.
• 53:23
  Today was the best experience of my life.
• 53:25
  You know, Paris in in 2024 was very similar where, you know,
• 53:28
  we've hyped up a race for so long and I'll be able to go in
• 53:30
  there and battle for my life. And.
• 53:32
  And yeah, I think those are the moments that you're going to
• 53:34
  remember the rest of your life. And that last hundred, it was
• 53:37
  absolutely balancing in here and hopefully it was fun for every
• 53:40
  time. But you know, I had to show up
• 53:42
  and do my job. You know, I've been promising an
• 53:44
  effort and all that effort. That's all I was able to do
• 53:47
  today. But you know, to call it the
• 53:49
  exact time, you know, that's just marketing block, I think a
• 53:52
  little bit. But you know, again, my, my, my
• 53:55
  people did their job and I just need to turn up and do mine
• 53:57
  today. It's a relief.
• 54:12
  It's, it's going to take it some time to sink in.
• 54:15
  I think, you know, just even just watching it back or
• 54:18
  allowing me to like watch it and, and be proud of myself.
• 54:21
  I think right now it's just like a whirlwind of emotion and just
• 54:24
  wanting to get to my people and, and, and celebrate with them.
• 54:26
  And, you know, it was mostly them.
• 54:28
  I was just out there doing my job.
• 54:29
  I had a, I've had a great time out here.
• 54:31
  You know, they've had the stressful time and I've put them
• 54:33
  through the wringer over the last couple of months.
• 54:34
  Definitely. And we've had smooth camps and
• 54:36
  they've done their job incredibly well, but their job
• 54:38
  is way harder than mine. I just have to go out there and
• 54:40
  work for three minutes and I've had a good time, but they've
• 54:42
  just had to stress for for months and months.
• 54:44
  What does this? Mean to you outside sports,
• 54:48
  athletics, because it's such a mental mountain to the point
• 54:52
  where you're the best, not just in the world, currently the
• 54:54
  best. Wrapping your head around that
• 54:57
  takes some time. I think, you know, that was the
• 54:59
  first, first one for me, you know, working with my
• 55:01
  performance coach Jose, who was able to come over to the UK with
• 55:04
  me and, and, and work on things. I met with them every single
• 55:06
  morning and, and, and he just allows me to wrap my head around
• 55:10
  being in my body and, and getting out of mind, you know,
• 55:12
  anxiety, race, nerves, all that stuff.
• 55:14
  Young athletes feel like I still feel that.
• 55:15
  And it's about, you know, owning, owning your space and
• 55:18
  and, you know, taking up the space that you deservedly have.
• 55:22
  It's been it's been a tough little journey and there's a lot
• 55:24
  of pressure around it, but I've seen know that my body was
• 55:26
  capable and my mind was ready to follow.
• 55:28
  You're such. An inspiration and role model to
• 55:31
  everyone around the world. Here's your inspiration.
• 55:34
  Who were you looking to when you were trying?
• 55:38
  To my people, I think my coaching staff are the best in
• 55:40
  the world. My, my wife, my, my parents have
• 55:42
  just sacrificed six weeks of their own work to come out and,
• 55:44
  you know, work on me and, and, and help me every single day.
• 55:47
  And, you know, I have a, a mountain of staff the are able
• 55:51
  to just help in every way, shape or form.
• 55:53
  I just show up everyday, train and go hard and, and go and have
• 55:56
  a nap and they worry about every single thing that I do.
• 55:59
  I'm a baby at sorts. And, and, and hopefully they
• 56:01
  provided those emotions. But even, you know, my mom, my,
• 56:04
  my parents and my brother and my wife in the stadium.
• 56:06
  I just go off to them. Thank you.
• 56:09
  Thank you. All right, that's a wrap on
• 56:15
  today's episode. Thanks for listening, for the
• 56:17
  time, the curiosity and for making this show part of your
• 56:20
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• 56:23
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• 56:26
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• 56:29
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• 56:42
  Thanks again for listening. We're back with Bandits Head of
• 56:49
  Experiences Tim Rossi for more on Bandits unsponsored project.
• 56:53
  So when we look at the roster of athletes who have come through
• 56:58
  the unsponsored project, in certain cases athletes graduate
• 57:02
  and then they go on and get professional contracts for from
• 57:07
  major sportswear and footwear companies.
• 57:11
  What is that process been like over the last couple years?
• 57:13
  Yeah, it's been really, really cool to see.
• 57:16
  It's part of what we talk about as success of the Unsponsored
• 57:19
  project. We want to get to the point
• 57:21
  where Bandit will have athletes in the future, but right now the
• 57:24
  Unsponsored Project is our primary athlete support
• 57:27
  mechanism and we want people to be able to go and get those full
• 57:31
  time long term sponsorship deals.
• 57:33
  So at this point, over the three years, we've had 11 total people
• 57:37
  of the roughly 100 that we've supported as part of the
• 57:39
  unsponsored project go and get signed by a variety of different
• 57:43
  brands. And it's different every single
• 57:45
  time. I often times like to go back to
• 57:47
  Trevor Bassett, who made the Olympics in 2024, was an
• 57:50
  unsponsored project athlete when competing in Eugene.
• 57:54
  And then the next year, we actually were supporting Trevor
• 57:56
  on an extended unsponsored project style support contract.
• 58:01
  And he gave me a call in March or April.
• 58:03
  I can't remember exactly what month it was, but he's like,
• 58:05
  hey, Adidas is offering me a deal.
• 58:08
  I'm like, hell yeah, dude, that's super, super awesome.
• 58:10
  That's exactly what we want. And now he's still competing
• 58:13
  under the Adidas umbrella. And it it's really, really
• 58:16
  amazing to see. We'll have more on Bandits
• 58:19
  Unsponsored project in the coming weeks on the CD Smack
• 58:21
  podcast and in the Lab Count newsletter.