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ITB Free Agency Primer: Big Pool Of RBs, But How Many Are Difference Makers? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's up, everybody. It's Jeff
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: Moser and Adam Kapa and we're back. We're back to
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: talk about free agency. We started it in our last
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: podcast going through some Eagles related stuff, but also free
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: agent quarterbacks. Now we're going to take a big look
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: at the free agent running back class and what would
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: be a word you would use to describe this class.
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: Adam deep deep deep deep. Although Givonti Williams resound with Dallas,
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: it's still again, you always have to understand there's a
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: reason why guys make it to market or at least
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: scheduled to be understect free agents. It's either injury history,
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: coaching changes, front office changes, or age. But it usually
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: fits within that category. It's very rare for a guy
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: to make it who is where you can't figure out
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: what's the reason. It's it's one of those things where
• 0:59
  Speaker 2: guys just unproduced and it's they're like the Breecee Hall one.
• 1:05
  Speaker 2: But Joe Juggas gets fired right that the GM the
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  Speaker 2: drafted him is now with the Eagles and the Chris
• 1:11
  Speaker 2: started off great, then he tours a c L and
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: then they had they had coaching changes. Yeah, he filmed
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  Speaker 2: to some bad luck. It's not his fault. Guy's a
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: good football player. He needs to be somewhere. I mean
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: they this GM you talked about on the other show,
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  Speaker 2: like the Jets. Of all these picks, that's the thing.
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: Like they could let breest Hal walk, they could use it.
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: They could tag them just to keep them for one
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: year and then evaluate him with this new staff of
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: Frank Wright being the play caller. Man if I'm Breecee
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: Hall because he kind of went, I know he is
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: putting out on social media at the trade deadline, he
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: seemed like he wanted to be moved. You deserve better
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: than this, you really do. I mean they're there. They
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: should be terrible. The Jets that on a quarterback, it's
• 1:54
  Speaker 2: just there. They they traded away so much talent the
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: trade deadline. It's nice to have all these picks. But man,
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: it's being a Jet fan and it's tough enough and
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: this is just this is really hard.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's such bad business. You have a good player,
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: a productive player. It's been through some adversity there, but
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: it's not all his faulty had some injury too, But
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  Speaker 1: he's you're gonna if he walks you got nothing for it.
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe you get like a compic. But you know, if
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: you're gonna let a good player walk to another team
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  Speaker 1: and get nothing out of it, you have better He
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: better have helped you win a super Bowl like Milton Williams, right,
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: because then you can understand you were holding onto it.
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: But the Jets could have moved them, They could have
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: extended them already, they could have done a thousand things.
• 2:30
  Speaker 1: And then just to let a good player like that
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  Speaker 1: go and get nothing and then not have won any
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: games out of it, well, I just I scratch my head.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's like people there are teams that still
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  Speaker 1: operate from the they don't learn from the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the league. It's so crazy to me.
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  Speaker 2: That was the one that's done me him not being
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: traded to trade dead Llen. I thought for sure the Chargers,
• 2:50
  Speaker 2: remember the Chargers, they had all sorts of problems with
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: injury at running back. You know, they only need to
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: see the problem that they had is that they know
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: Hampton was going to come back, which he did. You
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: saw him against the Eagles, and that's it. I mean,
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: if you're bringing bretze Hall, he was no way he
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: was coming back. He was going to be with the
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: team after the twenty five seasons, so it didn't make
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: sense long term, and if you wanted him, you really
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: should be trading for him and then extending his contract.
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: But again he went up not being traded, right, Like
• 3:19
  Speaker 2: Travis Etn is another guy Travis' Etn drafted a couple
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: of regimes ago, a couple of coaching staffs to go
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: and two years ago Tank Bixby was cutting into his
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: role big time wutterer Doug Peterson's last year with Press
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  Speaker 2: Taylor as a play caller, and they couldn't faret what
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: the hell to do with Etn? And then boy he
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: gets with Liam Cohen, it becomes a stud again. He
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  Speaker 2: was great this past season.
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  Speaker 1: Right, but at least they could say that the number
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: three seed they got, you know, a nice they had.
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  Speaker 1: They were working him, getting as much as they could
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  Speaker 1: out of him. They'll probably get a good compic if
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: he goes with signs a decent deal so that it's
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  Speaker 1: not bad business for them like it is the Jets
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  Speaker 1: who are just completely stuck in new role or reverse
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: all the way around. But to your point, really, I mean,
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: we talked about the quarterbacks and after the first you know,
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a weird mix of people. But there
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  Speaker 1: are some running backs that we're about to go through
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  Speaker 1: who can be pretty good number twos like these. There
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  Speaker 1: are some who like hall In atn who could maybe
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  Speaker 1: be your number one or one A. But you know,
• 4:18
  Speaker 1: when you're talking about Kenneth Walker, he's been good. I've
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  Speaker 1: loved what I've seen from, you know, in a sort
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  Speaker 1: of committee role with Jean Tyler, Algier has been good.
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: You mentioned Javonte Williams who got a really nice contract
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: out of it. Dobbins always gets hurt, but when he
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: plays is good. And how about Kenny Gainwell. In the
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: year that the former Eagle had for the Steelers, he
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: came out pretty big.
• 4:38
  Speaker 2: Kenny Gainwell. And it was between the Eagles as I
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  Speaker 2: understand it, and Gamewell Eagles and Pittsburgh. Kenny, this is
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  Speaker 2: just this is just incredible. He had eighty five pass targets.
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  Speaker 2: Eighty five that is unbelievable. The conversion right was good.
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  Speaker 2: He it's seventy three receptions almost seven yards of catch.
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  Speaker 2: Like he's never a he's not explosive. He listen to player.
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  Speaker 2: Look you see tape in college and you see the
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  Speaker 2: way he was used. You're you're intrigued. But he's not explosive, right,
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  Speaker 2: But he's physical, he's got a little wiggle and he's
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: got good vision. He's just a good all round back. Yeah,
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: you're right. Uh, if you look at because when they're
• 5:16
  Speaker 2: not just Eagles fans listening here to this one. If
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: you got Rashad White, right, he's part of a committee.
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  Speaker 2: He's not explosive, but he's a he's a captain check down.
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  Speaker 2: He's really good at it. He's got good vision, high
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  Speaker 2: character guy. Uh, does everything the right way. He's just
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: not explosive. Yeah, you know you got Algier, He's got
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: no juice at all. He's a banger man. The dude
• 5:37
  Speaker 2: gets the job done in his role. I give Terry
• 5:40
  Speaker 2: Fonna credit that the fire GM it's got. It worked
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: out with Bajan to be one A and it worked out.
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: But again, you he's that's probably on your point. This
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: this free agency, it's top heavy, it's Hall, it's e
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  Speaker 2: t N, it's Walker and after that it's one A
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  Speaker 2: and Rashad White. JK dobbin. Could he just I give
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: the guy credit. He's had major injury problems, but he
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: he just finds a home. And then you guys say
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: this sid Rico Daddle came out of nowhere. Now he's
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: really He had big injury history in college. He's not
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: a starter running back. He's in the mix for a
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  Speaker 2: role ten twelve touches game. You got see. Part of
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: player valuation is understanding what a guy is and isn't
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  Speaker 2: and that he's a guy I'm fascinated with because you
• 6:29
  Speaker 2: and I've covered this business a long time. Teams make
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: mistakes where they fike a guy. Oh you know what,
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: we really liked this guy for a long time. We've
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: had her eye on him. And when you bring him in,
• 6:37
  Speaker 2: sometimes he's not what you thought. Sometimes he's just good
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: for that particular program, So you gotta be careful.
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: I got a good laugh out of an NFL guy
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: I was talking to when we were talking about Rego.
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  Speaker 1: Dad all I said, he went all Bryce Bryce Brown
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  Speaker 1: on the league for a couple of weeks there, didn't he.
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: And you know, for all the Eagles old heads who
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: remember Bryce Brown and that two week stretch where he
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: will like lead the NFL in in Russian and he
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: was just unbelievable. Was that under the Chip Kelly year.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was right. Well, he was last year
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  Speaker 1: of Andy Reid.
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  Speaker 2: Seventh rounder, right. What annoyed me about him? Yes, he
• 7:11
  Speaker 2: had great explosiveness yep for his size, but he would
• 7:16
  Speaker 2: All he would do is like I'm breaking it outside. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: that's what I'm doing. And then they figured the league
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: figured it out. He doesn't have Tech Bigsby's vision or
• 7:25
  Speaker 2: power like Tek Bixby. Tries to hit the C gap
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  Speaker 2: like he's when it might should have been gone to
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  Speaker 2: the A gap, but that's okay, but he gets the
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: job done. Yeah. Bryce Brown was a total flash. Did
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: he go to Baylor? Where did he go?
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: This one he went to? I thought it was started
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: off of Kansas State because his brother Arthur was there
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  Speaker 1: as a line and then I think he transferred somewhere
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: else or he started somewhere else and then transferred to
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: Kansas State to be with his brother. I think that, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: But you remember he was like a pin. He was
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  Speaker 1: like he was Travis Folgum of running backs before Travis.
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  Speaker 2: Folgum, Travis full them. Oh my god, what sor game?
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  Speaker 2: Run got rid up on you and every match like
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  Speaker 2: people went crazy for me. He was really good. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Travis could he was more legit.
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  Speaker 1: Though I don't want to I don't want to minimim.
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  Speaker 2: He's a he's a decent back. He's just not a
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  Speaker 2: pure started running back. Again, there's there's a reason why
• 8:19
  Speaker 2: guys make it to fency Isa Pacheco. He looked like
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  Speaker 2: he was going to be their guy. Breaks his leg
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  Speaker 2: never the same.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, But imagine if you signed him this year
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  Speaker 1: and you made him your committee back with a guy
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: who's got a little more juice and hits. Yeah, and
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: you did an inside outs and you're a thunder and
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  Speaker 1: lightning right in between tackles runner and an outside tackles runner.
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  Speaker 1: Pacheco could be a really good addition in that regard.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like, okay, if you want to pair
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: him up with JK.
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: Dobbins, another pair of Pacheco is somebody who stays healthier.
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  Speaker 2: But right, but no, but in terms of juice set, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately both have a big injury history. Yeah, it's it's
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: there's not there is a drop off, but it is
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: top of the haul. E t N. Now what do
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: the what do the Jags do? Because again they didn't
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: draft him and the Jets GM didn't draft haul John
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: Schneider did well. It was actually it was actually Pete
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: Carroll's call and Kenneth Walker. It was so bizarre to me,
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: and I don't I mean, I'm sure this happened. I
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: just don't remember last time it happened. The Seahawks, for
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: some stupid reason, drafted running backs and back to back
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  Speaker 2: years in the second round. Yeah. I don't know why.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why you would do that.
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  Speaker 1: That's just it didn't make a whole lot of sense
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• 9:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I remember talked to an NFL GM who
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: was shocked when the Panthers drafted We're not consecutive years,
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: but they would wind up spending two first round picks
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: on running backs Jonathan Stewart and D'Angelo Williams, both very
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: good backs. Yep, but man, are you really like you
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: just that's it's not a you just don't do that
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: running back, you just don't.
• 9:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes to like resource allocation, and you know what, Yeah,
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: it's very odd, it's very odd concept. But yeah, that
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• 11:44
  Speaker 1: my opinion about three or four years ago, the best
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: running back in the league.
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: By farcial he was. Yeah, he's near the end. He's
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: it's just terrible injury history, but really good dude. And
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: he's a number two. He's on start running back. He
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't that he's lost it. Yeah, but.
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: Honestly he may not be a number two anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I know exactly right right right, Besie's number two. Brian
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: Robinson former starter for for the Commandos.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: Who that's another guy.
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's he saw out of favor with him and
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: he got traded.
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: Right, Pair him with someone who has wiggle though, and
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: who Like, let's say, I know the Dolphins have a
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: bunch of guys that they've driveed that, but like, let's
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: say you have Devona h Chan, who does most of
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: his work outside the tackles so fast and he catches
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: the ball, and you want to you want to just
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: like pair him with a guy who can bulldoze down there.
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: You put him with Brian Robinson. That's a good backup.
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a good good tandem.
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The other guys out there, Nah Harris coming
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: off injury, he's he's a backup at this point. Alexander
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: Madison's a backup. AJ Dillon who got usurped by tank
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: bigsby Jerome ford Is is passing down back where him Mos
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: Dirt who's well into his thirties now near the end,
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: and that eagle killer. I shouldn't go that far, but
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: Emmanuel Wilson is not bad not a bad backup. Mm hm,
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: and my guy. I love this guy, and it's I'll
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: be interested to see if they even tag him, if
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: the Bucks tag Sean Tucker out of Syracuse's a restricted
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: free agent. He's got some juice for his size. Definitely,
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: he's a guy, and I like to see team with
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: a fast back. And then there's Miles Sanders has now
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: officially hit Journeymansville. We need to get shirts for quarterbacks,
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: and we said Journeymansville or like well traveled pass rushers,
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: you know, like I like this a kid Jacob Martin
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: out of Temple, who's I remembered for the draft like
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: ten years ago. He was a thing. Yeah, and he
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: came out of nowhere of watching to play decent football.
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: And then Jerry McNichols is the true journeyman running back
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: has been on a number of teams. So yeah, it's
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: it's top heavy. But there's some death of Kenny Gamewell man.
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: I hope he gets paid. You know, he was really
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: really good.
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that eighty five targets you mentioned that
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: he had last year. That is the Kenny Gainwell that
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: we thought was going to be coming to the Eagles
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: because he was like a wide receiver at Memphis.
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: Thought he was going to be.
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: But we've how many times have we said this and
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: and some at some point you have to stop looking
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: at the running back and just look at the offensive
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: concept and what the quarterback likes and doesn't like. But
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: whether it's Barkley, whether it's who else have we said
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: is going to get the ball? DeAndre Swift? These guys
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: are all able to catch the ball, and we saw
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: it all throughout camp. But then the season starts and
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: the running backs don't catch the ball.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: Well, if your quarterback, if your quarterback doesn't want to
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: check it down, now he's I'd have to see what
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: the checked out rate is. It seemed like Hurtz was
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: checked down a little bit more the last two seasons
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: than previous when Swift was here. We got we got
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: totally fooled with that training camp and I'm still bothered
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: by it. Andrew and I were like beside ourselves, we
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: were like, this is crazy how much they're giving it
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: to Swift in the pass game, right, and they didn't
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: do it?
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and not to mention the fact that the screen
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: game has disappeared over last year, which is not thing.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: That's right. Well, we'll get the man you like the
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: offseason where we'll go, okay, what sean man is to
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: do list once we get through the draft, But that
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: that screen game might this is just an embarrassment. How
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: do you not have a screen game and you're an
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: NFL team.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: I do not know, especially when like once upon a
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: time you had one and it was really good. You know,
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: the Dallas Godter tunnel screens were always great.
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  Speaker 2: Oh when they do it?
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I completely went away. You love Sean Tucker,
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: by the way, because he won you a week of
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Company.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: Oh you know that. I all time calls John Hansen
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: didn't believe my old friend. We hosted a showing serious
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: together for twenty years. We This is one of those calls.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: I happened to know he was gonna have a big role, right,
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: And I said, hey, man, I told John. I don't
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: know how I told him. I said, hey, due, you
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: won't believe some start Sean talker. He thought I was
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: out of my mind. He didn't believe. I think I
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: had to show him, yeah, because I always you know,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: he had a medical issue for that draft, or he
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: would have gone a third or fourth.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Round, right.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: And I gotta give Jason like credit, man, that was
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: a smart thing that he did. He and uh the kid, Uh,
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: the kid from Oregon is a really good running back
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: who unfortunately was hurt last season. But it's really good.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Another guy who's really good is Bucky Irvic. Yeah. He
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: he's a really good player.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think what happened was this was two
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: years ago. Irving was a rookie having good, good star
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: but him and Rasade White were both hurt, and you
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: knew Tucker was going to get a big workload in
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: that game, and I think he did. He was like
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: the main ball carrier.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: He might have without looking it up, yeah, he might
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: have had like one hundred and twenty and thirty or something.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: He he generally looked good, would given a chance to
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: extend it playing time. Right that that's a good job
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: by Jason Light and his group. Yeah, it's yeah, it's
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: it's a it's a good year. And need a running
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: back because there's plenty of them. Clubs have leverage, right, Okay, quarterback,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: you don't, And we'll get the receiver and tight end
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: later this week. Receiver for the draft is going to
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: be fascinating because man, I've gotten a lot of conflicting
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: information from quarterback coach obviously been receiver coaches. That's talked
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: to two or three of them so far. Just get it,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: because I'm going this week at the Combine. I want
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: to know I didn't go to the Senior Bowl this
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: year because of damn snow. I'm not hearing it. It's
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: a great class like Edge Rusher I've heard is very
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: good a receiver. I guess the times when you speak.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: With yeah, well, you know, the combine has a weird
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: way of guys who you know running great forties or
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden emerging out of nowhere. Jad Jackson, Yeah, yeah, yep,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: That's happened to a lot of people. Troy, Troy Williamson, Yes,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: I remember Troy Williamson. Good call man, Like.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I'm like take him. Yes, And Chad Jackson, I'll never
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: forget it. At a University of Florida, he runs his
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: tape was never great from college? Right, he runs this
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: ridiculous forty time and like here we go. Yeah, he's
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: gonna go much higher. And it's one of those where
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: the the It's like my favorite all time story you
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: you might have been at that Senior Ball is when
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: a certain former quarterback at Arkansas was moved to receiver
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: at the Senior Ball. Come on, so if you can
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: get it, Matt Jones, you got it. I mean when
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I say no one could cover him. It was embarrassing,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: like he just was white lightning whatever you want to
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: call him. I don't know what it was, but man,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: he had all the size, but he had the off
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: the field stuff and man, he could flat out fly.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: It was ridiculous, terrible, but he he should have been
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: drafted the third or fourth round. I remember talking to
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: a GM then I swear, you guys on him, we're
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: way late. He goes he didn't fit because no one
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: fuck he'd go in the first round, right, Jack del
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: rio On whoever else was with the Jaguars, sure did. Yeah,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: he didn't make it, but man, you gotta be careful
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: with these All Star games. I know it's crazy, but
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: or even the combine, you can't overdo it.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Where did I remember Darius Hayward bay ripped it up
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: of the combine? And wait, I mean he It's not
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: like he wasn't Ironby's radar, but he wasn't considered a
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: top ten.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Packs Davis al Davis. I think it was one of
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: ol one of his few last few drafts. I had
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: to Maryland. He's another DHB with another guy who just
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: lit it up, and he gotta be careful, man. And
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: we got to get our friend Mike mmula on our show.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Mike and I have talked about it many times. Like
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: he trained he was the first one to specifically train
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: for the combine. How those drills mm hmm. But it's funny. Yeah,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: we we we had my Yeah, we had Mike on
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: our show with it was me Maurice at uh at
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: chick EA's Mike talked about it. He had the list
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Fronk edge without that and this is when before Duke
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Staley had This is when they just didn't have the
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: right way to get a guy back to play and
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: he didn't play again. But Mike wasn't not a bust.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: He actually was productive.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I know, I hate when people say he's
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: a bust. It's like they have no idea.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he may not have been a Pro Bowl or
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: at all, but he was not a bust. He was
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: he played well, how many years in the league. He
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: played six or seven years in the league, right.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Ninety five draft, I'd have to look. Yeah, he went
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: a long time. He was for one or two years. Yeah, Yeah,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: he had.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: The years where he had like six and a half,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: seven and a half. Sad, that's not a bus. Yeah,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Like you know, who's the guy from the Jets. That
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: guy was a Golston right.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Oh oh gosh, well gone, what was and what what
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Vernon Goldston? What was?
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: What?
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Did he have a great comp I don't remember.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: He was like he was a combine, a typical state workout,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: warriors just blew it all up, unbelievable. And then didn't
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: you know he wasn't even that productive in college from
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: what I recall.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: It's just I mean, I know now Barron Jones was
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: a good player for a while. Like he had a
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: ridiculous combine, right, unbelievable great.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Was it a great combine or was it really that
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: he said he set a world record in the broad
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: jump if I'm not mistaken, Well he did.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: He had a great workout, and he was a good
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: player for a bit. He saw, you know, he's either
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: gonna be was it what if we important the time?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Is either going to be here or the Dolphins? Dolphins,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: because he kind of wanted to get away from the coast. Yes,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: and I met Byron uh Many. Actually what he was
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: going to be drafted. We were he was up at
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the ESPN with us, and yeah, was super nice guy
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: senator him. Yeah, he's he's he had a terrible injury
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: to end his career. But you got it. It's it's
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: the Underware Olympics as they call it. I love that one.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Whoever came up with that's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: And the scene of ball. We've talked about this in
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: the history of our show. The Eagles in the early
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: twenty eight or nine ten, they missed, They missed a
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: lot of players. Danny Watkins was the one man. You know,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: it's you gotta you gotta take it for what it is.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: It's only three days. That is correct. That's correct.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Hey, before we get out of here real quick. I
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: mean the Eagles for the last two years now in
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a row have kept the fourth running back just to
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: just to like be window dressing. I mean, it's guys,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: never washd Penny or in last year A J. Dillon
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: so waitsd Penny was actually two thousand was he was
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: the year? So who was the one who was the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: fourth guy in twenty twenty four that didn't play much?
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: They had Barkley, they had Gain well they will Shipley
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: was a rookie. But didn't they have a fourth guy
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: that they just didn't play much? I can't think of
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: it at the moment. Was it uh Trey Surman?
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: He was there a little? He was there, yes, but
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: wasn't very long. He got hurt. Remember we got one
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: a big than I are. Yeah, no, it was Shipley
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: with Shipley, Gainwell and and Barkley.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, so two of the last three years they've decided
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't have a fourth running back who basically was
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: there to collect dust. I'm very curious to see with
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Manny and if they still feel like you're gonna need
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: for running backs because.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Right now that is well you need you need four
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: for training camp. You can't you really have to?
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, yeah, I know I'm on the fifty three.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, there's no there's no reason. But
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: as we've always said, Howie's funny sometimes when when they
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: what did they have said? Was it two years ago
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: or three years ago when they opened the season with
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: like seven defensive tackles, Yes, it was ridiculous. They trained
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Contaviious Street but very early against Atlanta to Atlanta. Yeah,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: that's why you can't there there are there are roster
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: numbers at clubs will tell you that they have. And
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: then you have the Eagles who don't see it the
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: same one. Not every team does. That's okay, it's kind
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: of funny though, right, all.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Right, good stuff. That's gonna do it For this episode
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