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The Kenny Report | 26 November · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Lone from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight. Forget about interest rate cuts
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Speaker 2: as Labour's big spending and an annual thirty seven percent
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Speaker 2: jump in power prices fuel the inflation beast. Shadow Treasurer
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Speaker 2: Ted O'Brien will join me, and the energy debate continues
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Speaker 2: as Blackout Bowen lives up to his name in question time,
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson will join me too, after.
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Speaker 1: Her new movie was banned from Parliament House.
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Speaker 2: We'll have the Wednesday wrangle as well as the Son
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Speaker 2: of the Crocodile Hunter wins Dancing with the Stars in
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Speaker 2: the US.
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Speaker 1: Let's get started.
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Speaker 2: In Parliament today, the Opposition continued to attack the hapless
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Speaker 2: Minister for Climate and Energy, Chris.
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Speaker 1: Bowen, Blackout Bowen.
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Speaker 2: They call him the bloke whose efforts are pushing power
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Speaker 2: prices up and threatening to put the lights out. And then,
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Speaker 2: like a message from the heavens, the Parliament went dark.
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Speaker 3: Hen she Knows has said, members on my left will
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Speaker 3: cease interjecting. Members on my leftder members on my left.
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Speaker 1: Order No.
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Speaker 2: The opposition had plenty of fun with the tortures on
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Speaker 2: their phones, and there was much frivolity about our national
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Speaker 2: energy self harm. But Bowen was pretty touchy about claims
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Speaker 2: that his new United Nations role as the COP President
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Speaker 2: for climate negotiations will take up too much of his time,
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Speaker 2: as he protested that it's always been a part time job.
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Speaker 4: All cabinet ministers who are COP presidents now what cultural credidents?
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Speaker 1: Somehow they can all do?
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Speaker 4: Stradia Car, I mean what we want his boy influence
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Speaker 4: for our country? They want less, they want less he
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Speaker 4: putus for Australia.
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Speaker 1: How unpatriotic can you be?
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Speaker 5: Why don't you want.
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Speaker 6: Your country to have a bigger role in the world.
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Speaker 1: Why are you here Stralia?
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Speaker 4: Why can't you be proud that your country can play
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Speaker 4: a leading role in international negotiations?
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Speaker 1: This is a later in the opposition? Or do we
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Speaker 1: so inc ministers, Tessy Carl? Even an international rulingship included.
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Speaker 2: Oh dear, the little fellow is fired up, isn't he?
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Speaker 2: Perhaps you should quit Parliament and head off to the
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Speaker 2: United Nations because he really has no idea about what
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Speaker 2: he's doing to our electricity grid. Listen to him here
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Speaker 2: listing off all the countries that he reckons are getting
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Speaker 2: rid of fossil fuels just like him.
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Speaker 4: Other countries that called for a roadmap for a transition
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Speaker 4: away from fossil fuel at the last week in Belem
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Speaker 4: include Denmark, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, the Republic of Korea,
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Speaker 4: which I noted also announced they are closing all cold
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Speaker 4: power stations in twenty forty. Those well known, those terrible
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Speaker 4: woke warriors in the Republic of Korea who are closing
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Speaker 4: all their cold fire power stations earlier in Australia and
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Speaker 4: the United Kingdom.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of reality checks there.
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Speaker 2: First up, some of those countries have price pressures just
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Speaker 2: like ours, and more to the point, when it comes
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Speaker 2: to getting rid of coal and gas, none of these
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Speaker 2: countries is going all renewable the way Bowen seems to
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Speaker 2: think we can. France, the UK and Korea are all
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Speaker 2: big users of nuclear power, and they're expanding nuclear as
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Speaker 2: they try to reduce emissions even further. Germany and the
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Speaker 2: Netherlands also have small amounts of nuclear power, but they
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Speaker 2: also rely on imported nuclear power from France, while Denmark
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Speaker 2: and Norway also rely on that connection to French nuclear
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Speaker 2: power to back up their renewable energy. So using Bowen's
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Speaker 2: own list of countries. The answer is obvious. If we
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Speaker 2: want reliable power and close to zero emissions, we need nuclear.
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Speaker 1: But he's opposed to that. Go figure.
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Speaker 2: Every year the ABC the billion dollars a year public
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Speaker 2: broadcasting Bayo moth, well, each year it conducts a showcase
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Speaker 2: at Parliament House.
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Speaker 1: They've got so much money, so much.
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Speaker 2: Of your money, that they can fly in a host
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Speaker 2: of stars and executives and journalists to Canberra, put them
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Speaker 2: up for a night or two and put on this
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Speaker 2: show at Parliament House where the politicians line up to
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Speaker 2: have their pictures taken with Bluey or the Bananas in
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Speaker 2: pajamas or one of the ABC's Green Left hosts. And
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Speaker 2: it's all very jolly, all about as deep and insulated
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Speaker 2: inside the camera bubble as you can get, and all
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Speaker 2: the waste of your tax dollars, by the way, and
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Speaker 2: in the main it's a friendly affair, although there are
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Speaker 2: stories getting around about at least one senior ABC journal
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Speaker 2: getting cranky about how we exposed the ABC's dodgy editing
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Speaker 2: to push its anti Trump agenda, a very similar case
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Speaker 2: to the one that's caused upheaval at the BBC in
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Speaker 2: the UK anyway. While we'll continue to focus on ABC
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Speaker 2: bias and ABC deceptions, there's been a fascinating insight into
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Speaker 2: all this from prominent British journalist and former BBC host
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Speaker 2: Andrew Neil. Neil was talking about the BBC defending it
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Speaker 2: really but admitting its leftist bias.
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Speaker 1: And listen to what he adds about the ABC.
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Speaker 7: All public service broadcasters across the world that I've studied,
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Speaker 7: quite a few of them, they all lean a bit
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Speaker 7: to the left. It's the nature of the beasts, the
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Speaker 7: metropolitan organizations. They're public service, they're not profit making. They
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Speaker 7: attract young university graduates of a liberal left bent, and
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Speaker 7: that's the way it is. It's a feature, it's not
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Speaker 7: a bug. It's a feature of the Beast. And the
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Speaker 7: BBC's probably no worse than others. In Australia. They think
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Speaker 7: EBC is much worse.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the BBC is left wing, but in Australia the
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Speaker 2: ABC is even worse. With friends like that, public broadcasting
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Speaker 2: hardly needs enemies. I went to a terrific event today
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Speaker 2: in which we reclaimed the Sydney Opera House for decency.
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Speaker 2: We reclaimed it for Australian values, like plurality, tolerance and matship.
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Speaker 2: Of course, it was at the Opera House on October
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Speaker 2: the ninth, twenty twenty three, when the sales were to
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Speaker 2: be lit up in the colors of Israel to mourn
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Speaker 2: the twelve hundred innocent people killed two days earlier while
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Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty one had been taken hostage in
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Speaker 2: the horrific Hummas terrorist attack.
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Speaker 1: Well, it was on that night that an.
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Speaker 2: Ugly group of protesters reacted to that atrocity by preaching
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Speaker 2: hatred against the victims.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a terrible moment for
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Speaker 1: our country.
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Speaker 2: It revealed the divisions and animosity that we didn't know
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Speaker 2: existed so deeply here. Remember this was before Israel had
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Speaker 2: even launched its response against Hummas. Anyway, if you watch
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Speaker 2: this program, you'll be in no doubt about the anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism that was unleashed then and how it's metastasized since then,
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Speaker 2: and how our Jewish communities have been terrorized, and how
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Speaker 2: it's revealed deep schisms in this country and it's shaken
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Speaker 2: the very foundations of our multicultural compact. Well, today at
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Speaker 2: the Opera House, the Australian newspaper launched a book chronicling
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Speaker 2: the events in the Middle East and here in Australia
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Speaker 2: over the past traumatic two years. It's a collection of
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Speaker 2: reportage and analysis published in The Australian from a wide
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Speaker 2: range of contributors.
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Speaker 1: And I'm honored to.
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Speaker 2: Have one of my columns included in this book. It's
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Speaker 2: called a Different Country, and that title is taken from
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Speaker 2: this observation by the editor at Large of The Australian,
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Speaker 2: Paul Kelly. Australia is not the same country it was
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Speaker 2: before October seventh. Kelly wrote, this issue is not just
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Speaker 2: about Jewish people. The Australian values of multiculturalism, mutual respect,
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Speaker 2: truth and social order are being produced.
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Speaker 1: What is happening affects the entire country.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the damage has been done and it'll take a
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Speaker 2: long time and a lot of work to repair. The
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Speaker 2: very concept of matship is under threat. Good people need
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Speaker 2: to speak up to set this right publicly every day.
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Speaker 2: Antisemitism remains a sickening problem in this country.
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Speaker 1: Armed guards patrol.
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Speaker 2: Outside Jewish schools and institutions. Jewish Australians are threatened and intimidated.
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Speaker 2: Some have left because they feel safer in the US
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Speaker 2: or Israel. I know many of you will have friends
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Speaker 2: who seem ignorant on these issues or misled by misinformation
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Speaker 2: in other media. This book might be the ideal gift
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Speaker 2: for them, so they can read about what has transpired
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Speaker 2: and it might help them confront reality. Now to a
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Speaker 2: happier event coming up tonight, as this station gets to
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Speaker 2: celebrate the heart and soul of Sky News the great man,
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Speaker 2: my grate mate, Paul Murray. Tonight, mark's fifteen years since
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Speaker 2: he invented Sky News' opinion shows. Now, usually Paul Murray
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Speaker 2: Live is all about Paul Lee, focusing on us, Paul
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Speaker 2: zeroing in on the issues that matter to the rest
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Speaker 2: of us. But tonight the show flips around and that'll
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Speaker 2: focus on Paul.
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Speaker 8: From a very young age, Paul worked out that he
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Speaker 8: had the gift of the gab. He could recall an
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Speaker 8: absolute abundance of information and verbalize it pretty much instantly.
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Speaker 8: He'd later come to call it his one superpower.
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Speaker 1: And I genuinely want to know what you think.
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Speaker 8: It was a TV show of his own that he wanted,
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Speaker 8: by hook or by crook. He was adamant he'd get there.
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Speaker 2: He's got the gift of the gabb all right, and
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Speaker 2: tonight Laura Jays ventures into the man Cave to surprise
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Speaker 2: Paul with all sorts of guests and snippets, and the
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Speaker 2: Great Ray Hadley coaxes a bit of a Radio World
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Speaker 2: impersonation from him.
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Speaker 1: You've got it for the people out there.
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Speaker 5: You've got to do one little love muscle Richard Mercer. Okay, So, Laura,
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Speaker 5: would you say that your love for Ray at times
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Speaker 5: is distracting in a supermarket and the moments when you
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Speaker 5: are reaching for Chrispy Kreme donut and it reminds you
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Speaker 5: of Ray.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul is quite the impersonator. He's such a ripping bloke.
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Speaker 2: You all know that people around the country introduce themselves
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Speaker 2: to me and they so often pass on how much
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Speaker 2: they love Paul Murray. Paul, congratulations, mate, Thanks for all
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Speaker 2: you do for the rest of us at this station
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Speaker 2: and for also what you do for your wonderful family
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Speaker 2: and power on I say, another fifteen years dominating nighttime
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Speaker 2: talk TV at the bare minim I reckon. Don't miss
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Speaker 2: the show tonight nine o'clock here on Sky News. Well,
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Speaker 2: it's been a big week for One Nation leader Pauline
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Speaker 2: Hanson from wearing a burker in the Senate which led
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Speaker 2: to her being suspended for a week. And as you
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Speaker 2: showed you last night as well, the premiere of the
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Speaker 2: trailer and a bit of a sneak preview of the
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Speaker 2: movie length version of her Please explain. Cartoons were supposed
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Speaker 2: to happen in the Parliament House theater, but at the
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Speaker 2: last minute the screening was banned on the grounds that
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Speaker 2: someone might be offended. Let's bring in Pauline Hanson live
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Speaker 2: from camera. Thanks for joining us, sir, Pauline, appreciate your time.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with.
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Speaker 2: That event last night you managed to launch the movie.
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Speaker 2: Was there some sort of conspiracy around that last minute
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Speaker 2: ban from Parliament House?
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Speaker 9: Look, Chris, the contracts were in place right, so there
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Speaker 9: was no argument about it whatsoever. And showing the movie
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Speaker 9: the last minute only a couple of hours before, I
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Speaker 9: think it was around about one o'clock yesterday afternoon. Got
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Speaker 9: it informed, Sorry, you can't have the show in here.
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Speaker 9: It may offend people anyway, you know, asking where what
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Speaker 9: part of the agreement you know doesn't show that you're
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Speaker 9: offending people. They couldn't come back with it at all,
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Speaker 9: and so we had to go out and find another venue,
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Speaker 9: and I really do appreciate the venue that we got
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Speaker 9: in the heart of Canberra, the Theater in Canberra. It
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Speaker 9: was fantastic. I'd actually encourage people to go to that
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Speaker 9: theater was it was beautiful, absoutely beautiful, and I do appreciate.
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Speaker 9: Even asked that showing. About fifty percent of the people
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Speaker 9: couldn't come to it because it was put from five
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Speaker 9: o'clock to nine o'clock at night. A lot of people drove.
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Speaker 9: There was one fellow who told me he drove from Melbourne.
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Speaker 9: Him and his son came from Melbourne. We hadn't from
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Speaker 9: a Gold Coast. We had people from Sydney all over
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Speaker 9: the country that actually came to that showing last night.
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Speaker 1: I just want to.
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Speaker 2: Drill down into this a bit though, because if there's
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Speaker 2: one place where there should be freedom of expression in
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Speaker 2: the country more so than anywhere else, surely it would
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Speaker 2: be the Federal Parliament. I mean, who would have made
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Speaker 2: that decision to cancel your screening at the Parliament House theater.
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Speaker 1: Correct?
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Speaker 9: Who would have you know this is what's happening in
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Speaker 9: this place, Chris, Okay, there's no diversity of what you
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Speaker 9: want opinions or what you want to put across. And
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Speaker 9: this is so frustrating. You know, you spoke about my
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Speaker 9: you know, the burker on the floor of Parliament. Then
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Speaker 9: you have the screening. No, we might offend people. Our
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Speaker 9: whole country is going down the bloody drain, it really is.
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Speaker 9: It frustrates me to no end. So these people make
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Speaker 9: their decisions. No you can't. Of course, we might offend
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Speaker 9: this one or offend that one.
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Speaker 1: Whatever. So what do we have?
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Speaker 9: Where do people like I go, who just a common sense,
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Speaker 9: normal people who want to have a laugh, want to
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Speaker 9: have it, you know, put out our opinions.
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Speaker 1: Where do we go?
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Speaker 10: What do we do?
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Speaker 9: It's a constant battle I have all the time. I'm
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Speaker 9: fighting this system as it changes and destroys a culture
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Speaker 9: and a way of life. But I'm not going to
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Speaker 9: give up and guess what, they banned me from here
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Speaker 9: showing the film in Parliament House. But I appreciate those
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Speaker 9: people open up their venue to us and those people
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Speaker 9: that did turn up, so we won in the long run.
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Speaker 9: I don't walk away and give up that easily.
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Speaker 2: Would any politicians have been involved in the decision, or
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Speaker 2: would this have just been Parliament House bureaucrats Chris.
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Speaker 9: I can't make speculation. I have no idea, and I
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Speaker 9: think because there was a poster that was put out there,
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Speaker 9: and of course I had the rainbow flag and it
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Speaker 9: was progressive, you know the word in it, So they
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Speaker 9: would have taken offense to that. So they said, oh, well,
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Speaker 9: we can't allow the showing of this. They had no
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Speaker 9: idea what was in the movie, no idea whatsoever. But
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Speaker 9: this might offend people. I'm sick and tired of worrying
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Speaker 9: about whether people are offended or not. That's your problem
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Speaker 9: being offended. What about the rest of us. You're shutting
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Speaker 9: it down. My opinion, doesn't that matter anymore or anyone else's.
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Speaker 9: We had a great response from the audience, Chris. They
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Speaker 9: actually applauded it, and I asked them, did you enjoy
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Speaker 9: they're five minutes the movie. They said, it's absolutely fantastic.
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Speaker 9: And so anyway, we're going to put it out January
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Speaker 9: twenty six.
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Speaker 10: It's going ahead.
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Speaker 9: It's going to be a huge success.
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Speaker 2: I can tell you that it'll be funny as a fit,
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Speaker 2: because everything that those guys do at step Mate Studios
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Speaker 2: is hilarious. I want to go back to the burker here.
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Speaker 2: You were criticized by So now this is a political stunt.
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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised you're kicked out. I am surprised that
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Speaker 2: it was a seven day suspension.
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Speaker 1: But people suggesting.
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Speaker 2: That you were somehow ridiculing or discriminating against Muslim women.
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Speaker 2: I would have thought, if you're talking about trying to
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Speaker 2: ban the burker in this country, you're standing. You're trying
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Speaker 2: to stand up for the rights of some Muslim women
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Speaker 2: who are forced to.
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Speaker 1: Wear the burker. Who speaks for me women?
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Speaker 2: Because I assume that women who are in a family
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Speaker 2: situation where they are forced to wear a burker certainly
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Speaker 2: couldn't speak up for their own rights if they chose to,
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Speaker 2: So who does speak for them? We see other Muslim
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Speaker 2: women denouncing you, and then a broad range of political
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Speaker 2: parties denouncing you. Who in this country is trying to
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Speaker 2: say it's all right for young girls and women to
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Speaker 2: be hidden behind burkers in this country.
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Speaker 9: You're exactly right not to say. It's all about the
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Speaker 9: oppression of women that is happening here. They scream about
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Speaker 9: women's rights in this country, the left and the Greens,
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Speaker 9: and that everyone else is screaming, well, let's protect women's rights.
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Speaker 9: Against domestic violence and then we have, you know, righta
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Speaker 9: same work, same pay. They keep going on about superinnuation
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Speaker 9: a whole lot, but when it comes to women being
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Speaker 9: able to show their face and you know, no, no,
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Speaker 9: we're not interested. That's back away. They don't want to
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Speaker 9: get into the cultural wars. That's what this is about.
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Speaker 9: And Chris, you know, I've been thinking about this. It
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Speaker 9: wasn't a bloody stunt. It wasn't a stunt. Right, A
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Speaker 9: stunt is to show off. It's not about showing off.
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Speaker 9: It was about proving a point. My point was I
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Speaker 9: wanted to introduce a bill to ban the burker and
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Speaker 9: full face covering in public places. Now when they denied
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Speaker 9: me that and I thought, well, if you don't want
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Speaker 9: to ban it, I'll go and put it on. So
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Speaker 9: I went and put it on to prove a point.
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Speaker 9: And guess what, they didn't want to ban it. They
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Speaker 9: didn't want me to wear it in parliament. Where's the
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Speaker 9: hypocrisy of the whole lot? You can't have it both ways.
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Speaker 1: It was a ridiculous paradox.
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Speaker 9: It wasn't a stunt, so don't say it was a
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Speaker 9: stunt that I pulled this stunt. I wanted to prove
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Speaker 9: a point, and I proved my point and they couldn't
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Speaker 9: stand it. I am out there fighting for these women.
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Speaker 9: You know, if you want to know about Islam and
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Speaker 9: how women are treated, and read A and hers Ali's book.
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Speaker 9: I read that years ago. What happens a lot of
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Speaker 9: these women.
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Speaker 1: I've read it myself.
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Speaker 9: It's fantastic.
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Speaker 1: I've read it myself.
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Speaker 2: But I would just point out, of course, the vast
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Speaker 2: majority of Muslim women in this country don't wear the burker,
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Speaker 2: not forced to wear the burker. But the question is
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Speaker 2: who speaks up for those who do? And and and
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Speaker 2: that is that is a There's definitely silence around the
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Speaker 2: country on that point.
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Speaker 1: Just before I let you go.
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Speaker 2: By the end of the week, will Barnaby Joyce be
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Speaker 2: a member of One Nation?
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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, he's not a member.
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Speaker 1: He's not a member at all.
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Speaker 9: But I'm hoping, Chris, I'm hoping that yes, he will
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Speaker 9: be a member.
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Speaker 1: Will sign up? Will he sign up? Will he sign
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Speaker 1: up this week?
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Speaker 2: Will he sign up? Will he sign up this week?
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Speaker 2: How much is the join see? And will you waive it?
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Speaker 1: Chris?
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Speaker 10: It won't be waved.
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Speaker 9: I can tell you that what's good for goose is
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Speaker 9: good for the Gander. So whoever's part of this party
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Speaker 9: as a member will pay their fees membership fees, so anyway,
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Speaker 9: and that will include Barnaby.
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Speaker 1: Joyce and he will sign up.
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Speaker 9: I want to say, at this moment, Chris, at this moment, Chris,
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Speaker 9: you know I'm doing this interview with you, and I've
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Speaker 9: got my Member of Parliament Sean Bell doing his maiden
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Speaker 9: speech on the Flora Parliament. I can see him on
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Speaker 9: the screen in the distance, and I'm sorry I'm not
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Speaker 9: in the chamber with him, but that was my choice
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Speaker 9: to be suspended from what I did. We're in the
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Speaker 9: burker and it's actually they have not allowed me even
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Speaker 9: to sit in the gallery to watch she's made speech.
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Speaker 9: So I'm doing this, doing this with you. I'm actually
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Speaker 9: quite a notion lie of this, and I'm just watching him.
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Speaker 1: In the distance.
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Speaker 9: You should be in there with him like another son
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Speaker 9: to me.
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Speaker 1: Just to confirm, though, Barnaby Joyce will sign up this week.
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Speaker 1: He will sign up this week.
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Speaker 9: Chris, Chris is no exclusive. Let's see what happens. The
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Speaker 9: last day is tomorrow, all right.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Pauline.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate Pauline Hansen there is watching her own member
20:38
Speaker 2: deliver a maiden speech.
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Speaker 1: She can't even sit in the gallery and watch. Now.
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Speaker 2: There's lots happening in foreign affairs, of course, around the
20:45
Speaker 2: world at the moment. First to Russia's war in Ukraine,
20:47
Speaker 2: the US President Donald Trump says a.
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Speaker 1: Peace deal is close. He is the latest from Fox News.
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Speaker 11: You are official says Ukraine has signed on to an
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Speaker 11: American barked peace plan, but the same can't be said
20:59
Speaker 11: for Ussian President Vladimir Putin, who sent twenty two missiles
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Speaker 11: and four hundred and sixty drones into Kiev overnight, killing
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Speaker 11: at least seven people. Critics said the initial twenty eight
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Speaker 11: point plan presented by the US heavily favored Russia, but
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Speaker 11: a US official tells Fox after some fine tuning, the
21:15
Speaker 11: Ukrainians are on board, with minor details to be sorted out.
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Speaker 11: Russia reportedly like the original plan and it could be
21:22
Speaker 11: hard to convince Putin to accept the Ukrainian negotiated changes.
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Speaker 11: Army Secretary Dan Driscoll met with the Russian delegation in
21:29
Speaker 11: Abu Dhabi Tuesday, as US negotiators try to convince their
21:33
Speaker 11: counterparts to end the nearly four year war.
21:37
Speaker 2: Let's get to Peta Jennings, the director of Strategic Analysis.
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Speaker 1: Is trially good to talk to you again, Peter.
21:42
Speaker 2: If there's one issue with Donald Trump, as I over
21:44
Speaker 2: promised and underdelivered, it's on the Ukraine war that he
21:48
Speaker 2: said he was going to settle bicically as soon as
21:50
Speaker 2: he got in as president.
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Speaker 1: A lot of climbs in the last week.
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Speaker 2: That his proposals sell out Ukraine, but there seems to
21:57
Speaker 2: be a bit of optimism.
21:59
Speaker 1: Where does the truth law this?
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Speaker 12: Nobody knows frankly at this stage. I think what's happened
22:08
Speaker 12: is that a sort of an ambit claim was put
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Speaker 12: out with that twenty eight point plan, which clearly gave
22:14
Speaker 12: too many concessions to the Russians, and it seems that
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Speaker 12: what's happened in the last few days is that Ukraine
22:19
Speaker 12: has had the opportunity to react to that and to
22:22
Speaker 12: clause some of those elements back. Chris, I think the
22:25
Speaker 12: things that we should be watching for to see how
22:28
Speaker 12: this plan plays out is one, how much territory is
22:31
Speaker 12: Ukraine going to be asked to seed to the Russians?
22:35
Speaker 12: And two what kind of security guarantees will NATO and
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Speaker 12: the United States offer Ukraine in return for losing that territory.
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Speaker 1: I think we will.
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Speaker 12: Probably get some uncomfortable outcome here, and from my perspective,
22:51
Speaker 12: one that probably gives too much credit, too much advantage
22:54
Speaker 12: to the Russians. But the real test here is will
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Speaker 12: Ukraine be able to survive, to fight another day, to
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Speaker 12: be able to credibly defend itself. I think that's what
23:03
Speaker 12: we need to look for in any final peace plan
23:06
Speaker 12: that gets released publicly.
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Speaker 1: Just have a look at what the president has had
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Speaker 1: to say.
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Speaker 13: I've also ended eight wars in nine months, and we're
23:16
Speaker 13: working on that final war. It's not easy, but I
23:18
Speaker 13: don't know. I think we're going to get there. Twenty
23:21
Speaker 13: five thousand soldiers Ukraine Russia. In the last month, twenty
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Speaker 13: five thousand soldiers have died, so I think we're getting
23:30
Speaker 13: very close to a deal.
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Speaker 3: We'll find out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, given that Ukraine was invaded by Russia, you would
23:36
Speaker 2: think any concessions are too much for Ukraine. But it
23:40
Speaker 2: seems to be accepted that to some degree they're going
23:43
Speaker 2: to have to give up some territory. Has Ukraine accepted
23:47
Speaker 2: that and if so, why.
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Speaker 12: I get a sense that President Zelensky is accepting that
23:54
Speaker 12: partly because of exhaustion, partly because Russia is three times
23:58
Speaker 12: bigger in terms of population, that this is a war
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Speaker 12: which is not sustainable to be fought for year after
24:04
Speaker 12: year after year, particularly when the US seems to be
24:08
Speaker 12: in two minds about how much support it will provide Ukraine.
24:11
Speaker 12: So yes, there are going to be some very awkward concessions.
24:15
Speaker 12: I think it's also, frankly, very awkward for President Trump
24:18
Speaker 12: to be seen to be being too much of an
24:20
Speaker 12: appeaser towards Vladimir Putin. He can't afford to do that
24:24
Speaker 12: because this is ultimately a test of American strength and
24:26
Speaker 12: credibility as well. So there's a very difficult balance that
24:30
Speaker 12: has to be sorted out over the next little while.
24:32
Speaker 12: I don't think anyone's going to be particularly happy with
24:35
Speaker 12: the outcome, but it may bring I'm not going to
24:37
Speaker 12: call it a piece. It may bring a temporary pause
24:39
Speaker 12: to what I think is a broader Russian strategy to
24:43
Speaker 12: intimidate Europe and European democracies. And you know, that's something
24:47
Speaker 12: that Trump needs to be able to respond to, even
24:50
Speaker 12: after we get to a point where some sort of
24:52
Speaker 12: peace plan may be in place, and.
24:55
Speaker 2: When you talk about fears of appeasement. It brings us
24:58
Speaker 2: to Taiwan, and the in fact that Donald Trump has
25:01
Speaker 2: been speaking to jijingping that he's going to go to
25:04
Speaker 2: Beijing or go to China at least in April next year,
25:07
Speaker 2: Taiwan raised back into the fray thanks to the new
25:11
Speaker 2: Japanese Prime Minister. Is there are their concerns about Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump here?
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Speaker 12: Yes, I think there should be concerns because Trump hasn't
25:21
Speaker 12: put his cards on the table. You know, it has
25:24
Speaker 12: been said that, for whatever his many flaws, President Joe
25:28
Speaker 12: Biden on four occasions said that the United States would
25:31
Speaker 12: come to the defense of Taiwan. Donald Trump hasn't done that.
25:35
Speaker 12: So nor do I think Trump is going to just
25:38
Speaker 12: sell Taiwan out. I think America has too many strategic
25:42
Speaker 12: interests in Taiwan in its production of high end computer
25:47
Speaker 12: chips to allow that to happen. So we'll see what
25:51
Speaker 12: comes of it, and of course, as with everything that
25:54
Speaker 12: Donald Trump does, we won't know until it's actually out
25:56
Speaker 12: there and announced. So but you know, I'm not surprised
25:59
Speaker 12: that the Tiwanese are particularly concerned at this.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, he's such a dealmaker and he's such a showman.
26:06
Speaker 1: You've got to wait to see that. Well, the end
26:08
Speaker 1: deal is before you can really judge it. Thanks for
26:10
Speaker 1: joining us, Peter.
26:11
Speaker 2: I appreciate Peter Jennings there from Strategic Analysis Australia. We've
26:16
Speaker 2: got to get to a break. On the other side
26:18
Speaker 2: of that, the population debate, immigration, also the inflation monster
26:23
Speaker 2: off the leash again. I'll catch up with economist Judith Sloan. Well,
26:31
Speaker 2: we told you a month ago. We can double down
26:33
Speaker 2: on that now. Any chance of an interest rate anytime
26:36
Speaker 2: soon is gone. With inflation hitting three point eight percent
26:40
Speaker 2: in the latest figures, that's the highest level for almost
26:43
Speaker 2: a year and a half. Housing costs up almost six
26:46
Speaker 2: percent in the year to October, while power prices over.
26:49
Speaker 1: The year have rivesen thirty seven percent.
26:52
Speaker 2: Treasurer Jim Chalmers is on the defensive again, promising to
26:55
Speaker 2: stick with Labour's green agenda.
26:58
Speaker 14: What is extremely clear if you listen to any credible expert,
27:03
Speaker 14: economist or analyst of our power grid is that the
27:07
Speaker 14: best chance to get power bills down over the medium
27:10
Speaker 14: term is to replace this aging, increasingly unreliable fleet of
27:16
Speaker 14: coal fired power stations with clean out, cheap, art more
27:19
Speaker 14: renewable more reliable energy and that's our policy.
27:23
Speaker 2: Let's get some analysis here from Judith Sloan, the Australians
27:26
Speaker 2: contributing Economics.
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Speaker 10: Ed.
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Speaker 1: It's so good to talk to you again, Judith.
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Speaker 2: When you look at the impact of higher energy prices
27:33
Speaker 2: right across the economy and the government's high spending, is
27:37
Speaker 2: it the case that Jim Charmers and Anthony Albanezi are
27:41
Speaker 2: in denial about their own role in getting inflation back
27:45
Speaker 2: above where they want it?
27:46
Speaker 15: Again, Look, I think definitely they were basically relying on
27:52
Speaker 15: a lot of luck. So what they were hoping is
27:55
Speaker 15: COVID end of the COVID restrictions ended, the supply chains
27:59
Speaker 15: felt back in to better shape, world factors became less important.
28:04
Speaker 15: Then inflation would come down and it would land magically
28:07
Speaker 15: in the in the in the target zone, in the
28:12
Speaker 15: sorry Chris, in the two to three percent. But now
28:15
Speaker 15: we've got three point eight percent headline. This is a
28:18
Speaker 15: very bad result.
28:21
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:21
Speaker 2: Now, when it comes to energy prices, they keep telling
28:24
Speaker 2: us that they're going to keep doing the same thing.
28:27
Speaker 2: That is, billions of dollars being invested in renewable energy,
28:31
Speaker 2: and they're trying to tell us that's going to lead
28:33
Speaker 2: to a different outcome we saw in that Energy Council report.
28:36
Speaker 1: That's not true. Prices are going to continue to go up.
28:40
Speaker 2: Don't They need to change their attack on energy so
28:43
Speaker 2: they can try and force energy prices down because they
28:45
Speaker 2: flow right throughout the economy, don't.
28:47
Speaker 15: They They do, And that's very clear in the CPI prices.
28:54
Speaker 10: You've got to be careful.
28:55
Speaker 15: You've got to listen closely to Jim Chalmers. He's saying
28:59
Speaker 15: in the medium term prices will come down. Well, when
29:03
Speaker 15: is the medium term? It's clearly not. In fact, some
29:06
Speaker 15: commentators as saying.
29:07
Speaker 10: It will be a decade.
29:09
Speaker 15: Now. I don't know about you, but medium term seems
29:12
Speaker 15: to me maybe eighteen months. But here's another thing to
29:16
Speaker 15: think about, Chris. If you look around the world and
29:19
Speaker 15: you look at countries with high percentages of renewable energy,
29:24
Speaker 15: they have high electricity prices. How are we going to
29:28
Speaker 15: be different?
29:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's impossibly different. It is interesting, isn't it. Ten
29:33
Speaker 2: years apparently is too long to wait for nuclear power,
29:36
Speaker 2: but it's not too long to wait for power prices
29:38
Speaker 2: to go down. Hey, I want to get your thoughts
29:41
Speaker 2: also on another issue that you wrote about in the
29:43
Speaker 2: Australian today. And you've been insightful on this for years,
29:47
Speaker 2: and that is the population debate, the immigration debate, and
29:51
Speaker 2: it is very complex because so many factors feed into
29:55
Speaker 2: that net overseas migration figure.
29:58
Speaker 1: But you point out the cold actually had a pretty
30:01
Speaker 1: good plan.
30:01
Speaker 2: On population that they took to the last election. It's
30:05
Speaker 2: just they didn't tell anybody about it. They didn't want
30:07
Speaker 2: a debate about it.
30:11
Speaker 15: Look, they are really I think comprehensive plan, and you know,
30:15
Speaker 15: one of the best things about it was that they
30:17
Speaker 15: want to impose this twenty five percent cap on international students. Now,
30:22
Speaker 15: some universities, including the University of Sydney for example, have
30:27
Speaker 15: more than fifty percent of the enrollments as international students.
30:31
Speaker 15: So twenty five percent cap, I think that is very saleable.
30:35
Speaker 15: They wanted to reduce the permanent intake. You know, there's
30:40
Speaker 15: still was going to be quite a lot of immigration.
30:43
Speaker 15: It's just that if you look at the surveys, Chris,
30:46
Speaker 15: it's absolutely clear everyone and that includes migrants.
30:50
Speaker 10: Themselves, think that the rate of.
30:52
Speaker 15: Immigration, the migrant intake, has been too high.
30:57
Speaker 10: They've got to get out.
30:58
Speaker 15: And sell it because I think they really had very
31:00
Speaker 15: salable policy.
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Speaker 2: Now, just to clarify that, you're saying the rule would
31:03
Speaker 2: be that universities could only have twenty five percent of
31:06
Speaker 2: their students being overseas fee paying students at the moment,
31:10
Speaker 2: as you say, summer over half. Also, when it comes
31:14
Speaker 2: to the effect on the economy, we all know that
31:17
Speaker 2: governments love to bring in high numbers because it pushes
31:19
Speaker 2: up the GDP.
31:20
Speaker 1: And they can say we're not in recession.
31:22
Speaker 2: But you go to this point that the per capita
31:24
Speaker 2: GDP is what matters.
31:26
Speaker 1: The per capita recession.
31:27
Speaker 2: That we've been in and out of on and off
31:30
Speaker 2: for the last few years is what matters, right, because
31:33
Speaker 2: that's what we feel in our whole household budgets.
31:37
Speaker 15: Of course, of course, and you know, I think you've
31:40
Speaker 15: got to get out and make that point. That is
31:42
Speaker 15: the lived experience of people that face declining living standards,
31:47
Speaker 15: which is you know, approxied by declining per capita in
31:51
Speaker 15: comper capita GDP. And I think the thing about that
31:54
Speaker 15: is that you know, the government, Tony Burke, I think
31:57
Speaker 15: has already revealed this. I mean, I don't think the
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Speaker 15: government is committed to reducing.
32:02
Speaker 10: Immigration by the way.
32:04
Speaker 15: They like the fact that GDP grows, GDP increases and
32:07
Speaker 15: tax receipts increase.
32:09
Speaker 1: They actually kind of.
32:11
Speaker 15: Like the fact that, you know, it's sort of slightly
32:14
Speaker 15: open borders and that tends to be favored by the
32:19
Speaker 15: left actually, so you know, Tony Burke will also quote
32:24
Speaker 15: kind of figures. Well, you know, i'd fight back with
32:26
Speaker 15: figures because I think no one's saying we need zero immigration.
32:30
Speaker 10: We're just saying we need slower immigration.
32:33
Speaker 2: Yes, But thanks for joining us, Judith, I appreciate it
32:36
Speaker 2: due to have swown. They're the contributing economics editor the
32:38
Speaker 2: Australian newspaper that per capita GDP number is crucial. We've
32:44
Speaker 2: got less money in this country per head than we
32:48
Speaker 2: used to and it's going down and that's what matters now,
32:51
Speaker 2: hiding that with big numbers of immigration now still to come.
32:55
Speaker 2: After this break, we're going to talk about Blackout Bow
32:57
Speaker 2: and he lived up to his name in Parliament today
32:59
Speaker 2: as they debate sizzled along. We'll catch up with the
33:02
Speaker 2: Shadow treasure at Ted O'Brien. Let's do more now on
33:09
Speaker 2: this surge in inflation. Remember Labor told us that fix
33:13
Speaker 2: the inflation problem now despite being in government for three
33:16
Speaker 2: and a half years now, the Treasurer is still blaming
33:21
Speaker 2: the Morrison government.
33:22
Speaker 1: Have a listen.
33:23
Speaker 14: Inflation is higher than we'd like, but it is much
33:26
Speaker 14: much lower than we inherited from our predecessors.
33:31
Speaker 2: Let's got a cander and bring in the shadow treasure
33:33
Speaker 2: at Ted O'Brien. Ted, apparently it's all the Coalition's fault,
33:36
Speaker 2: even after into their second term.
33:41
Speaker 10: Well, it's certainly not Jim Charmer's fault. It was Vladimir
33:45
Speaker 10: Putin's originally, and now it's gone back to being the coalition,
33:48
Speaker 10: so it's just a little bit of that going on. Chris,
33:51
Speaker 10: I think everyone knows. They call it jimflation for a reason.
33:55
Speaker 10: It's Jim Charmer's inflation. Yeah.
33:57
Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of so predictable.
33:59
Speaker 2: We all know so that if governments spend wildly, that'll
34:02
Speaker 2: push inflation up, and we're talking about that before it happened.
34:06
Speaker 2: And the other factor, of course is energy prices. We
34:09
Speaker 2: know that if you keep energy prices spiraling upwards, it's
34:15
Speaker 2: going to flow on to everything, and that's been the case.
34:18
Speaker 1: What really worries me about energy.
34:20
Speaker 2: Is they're promising to keep doing what's created the problem
34:23
Speaker 2: in the first place.
34:26
Speaker 10: You would think they'd learn the lesson, Chris, but clearly
34:28
Speaker 10: they haven't. You know, three and a half years in
34:31
Speaker 10: inflations on electricity is up what and their answer is
34:37
Speaker 10: to double down on a failed policy. And you're right.
34:41
Speaker 10: It's not just mums and dads at home they turn
34:43
Speaker 10: on the electricity. It's costing more. This hits into your
34:47
Speaker 10: small businesses, your cafes, your manufacturers, so everything you buy
34:52
Speaker 10: at the grocery shop has been impacted by higher energy costs.
34:57
Speaker 10: So inflation just keeps going up. And again we heard
35:00
Speaker 10: today inflation's at three point eight percent. So anybody looking
35:04
Speaker 10: for an interest rate cut this year, there's no chance.
35:07
Speaker 2: And this energy crisis hurts the budget in other ways too,
35:10
Speaker 2: because it leads to more government spending. They're spending money
35:13
Speaker 2: on these energy rebates. They're spending money hand over fist
35:17
Speaker 2: on home batteries and other subsidies.
35:19
Speaker 1: So there's just more and more taxpayers.
35:21
Speaker 2: Money going out of the door when it comes to
35:23
Speaker 2: these rebates, which of course have given some price relief
35:28
Speaker 2: to consumers. Do you expect labor to keep them going
35:32
Speaker 2: and would you oppose them keeping them going?
35:34
Speaker 1: They're due to run out at the end of this year, Chris.
35:39
Speaker 10: To be honest, I don't know if they will. I
35:42
Speaker 10: think that there's been enough problems in the entire energy
35:47
Speaker 10: system where they can just put rebait after rebate, but
35:52
Speaker 10: they know that it's not solving the problem at its
35:55
Speaker 10: source and so but they might surprise us. Maybe they
35:59
Speaker 10: will come out with more rebates to help households. There's
36:03
Speaker 10: no doubt we want to see households helped. But the
36:06
Speaker 10: reality is this is just going to keep on coming.
36:08
Speaker 10: You have to keep using taxpayers money. They take more
36:11
Speaker 10: money out of the back pocket and they put a
36:14
Speaker 10: little bit more in your front pocket, and they want
36:16
Speaker 10: to be padded on the back as if to say
36:18
Speaker 10: thank you very much, job well done. The energy system
36:21
Speaker 10: is failing. You know that better than most, and they
36:26
Speaker 10: refuse to shift gears and go in a different direction.
36:29
Speaker 2: This is what really worries me about it, and it
36:31
Speaker 2: was born out in that Energy Council reporter is the
36:34
Speaker 2: people who can afford at least are hurting the most.
36:36
Speaker 2: And when you have these taxpayer funded schemes such as
36:39
Speaker 2: the home batteries, you.
36:41
Speaker 1: Need to be able to afford that.
36:42
Speaker 2: People need to be pretty well off to afford to
36:44
Speaker 2: put in the solar panels and the batteries to get
36:47
Speaker 2: a government's subsidy to help them out. Right, So that's
36:50
Speaker 2: tax dollars helping out people who have got a bit
36:53
Speaker 2: of money and are looking after themselves.
36:55
Speaker 1: Or some of those tax dollars come from.
36:56
Speaker 2: The poorer people, the people who are renting, the people
36:59
Speaker 2: who can't put a battery at their house because they're renting,
37:02
Speaker 2: or can't afford to put in solar panels in a battery.
37:04
Speaker 2: Yet their taxes are helping other people do this. I mean,
37:09
Speaker 2: it just seems completely unjust and unfair, especially for a
37:13
Speaker 2: government that's supposed to be for working families.
37:17
Speaker 10: It's completely unfair. And EVS is exactly the same thing.
37:23
Speaker 10: I mean, this is a labor government which purports to
37:26
Speaker 10: be helping people who are struggling in life. But the
37:30
Speaker 10: more money you have, the bigger discount you get if
37:35
Speaker 10: you want to take out a lease on electric vehicle.
37:39
Speaker 1: Yeah.
37:39
Speaker 10: So I just don't buy any of this sort of
37:42
Speaker 10: robin hood stuff from the treasurer. The way that labor
37:46
Speaker 10: is running things is they are taking more and more
37:49
Speaker 10: personal income taxes from everyday Australians and then they are
37:53
Speaker 10: misspending it This is the highest spending government in forty
37:57
Speaker 10: years and they will not stop.
38:00
Speaker 1: It's pretty crook.
38:01
Speaker 2: I want to show you something that ordinarily would be encouraging,
38:04
Speaker 2: that is a labor minister talking about reducing the spend
38:08
Speaker 2: on public servants.
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Speaker 16: Have a look is absolutely appropriate that every year we
38:13
Speaker 16: take an absolutely strong look at that budget and make
38:16
Speaker 16: sure that when we're making these big improvements to services,
38:19
Speaker 16: as our government is doing on medicare, on billing, on
38:22
Speaker 16: cheaper medicines, on energy bill price relief, that we're thinking
38:25
Speaker 16: about where we can rationalize in other parts of the budget.
38:29
Speaker 2: Clara Neil there talking about to public sector jobcast.
38:32
Speaker 1: The point is Ted O'Brien, is that they've added.
38:35
Speaker 2: Forty thousand public servants to the federal payroll. They've added
38:39
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of them, and only now they're starting
38:42
Speaker 2: to realize, well, maybe they can't afford them.
38:46
Speaker 10: And the rank hypocrisy. This is the same labor government
38:52
Speaker 10: that tried to beat up on the Coalition all through
38:55
Speaker 10: the first half of this year because we were calling
38:58
Speaker 10: out the fact that they have just let it go
39:01
Speaker 10: when it comes to the public service numbers. Now, of course,
39:04
Speaker 10: the other side of the election it's a different store.
39:07
Speaker 10: It's something that they did on energy, right. I mean,
39:09
Speaker 10: you know they make one promise and then you know
39:12
Speaker 10: electricity prize are going to come down. Well after the election,
39:15
Speaker 10: they go up. They say, you know, interest rates are
39:18
Speaker 10: going to come down after the election, they go up.
39:22
Speaker 10: It's right across everything they do and this is no
39:26
Speaker 10: different whatsoever.
39:28
Speaker 2: It is a shock and thanks for joining used appreciate it,
39:30
Speaker 2: ted O Brian, They're the shadow treasure. We're going to
39:32
Speaker 2: get to a break. On the other side. I have
39:34
Speaker 2: a look at some of the weird questions and now
39:36
Speaker 2: going to be asked in next year's census. Plus Donald
39:39
Speaker 2: Trump's hilarious turkey pardoning for Thanksgiving. Let's get into the
39:48
Speaker 2: Wednesday wrangle and we've got to stand in joining us now,
39:51
Speaker 2: Jamie Johnson, coach to the JJ podcast.
39:53
Speaker 10: Good to see you again, Jamie, to be here, Chris,
39:55
Speaker 10: thanks for having me and.
39:56
Speaker 2: You'll be up against the reigning champ in Melbourne.
39:59
Speaker 1: And just that's Smith. Thanks for joining us, Justin, I
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Speaker 1: was a stand in for a secment. Now give us.
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Speaker 2: Your thoughts, sir Justin on what's happening in Cambra and
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Speaker 2: the announcement of three point.
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Speaker 1: Eight percent inflation.
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Speaker 2: I thought labor was supposed to have this inflation be tamed,
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Speaker 2: but they seem to have lost control of the economy.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, I think you had a clip before of Jim
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Speaker 17: Chalmers finding someone to blame. That's usually the way that
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Speaker 17: things work in government is if it works out, well,
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Speaker 17: if the figures fall your way, you know, you've set
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Speaker 17: off a few of the poppers and you have a
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Speaker 17: banner in the background and you tell everyone about it.
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Speaker 17: But if the figures don't go your way, you find
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Speaker 17: someone else to blame. So it's but obviously this very
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Speaker 17: serious point about this is going to be incredibly tough
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Speaker 17: going for many people in the country, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, Jamie, this is the main game for federal politics,
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Speaker 2: right and it was always going to happen with this government.
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Speaker 2: Would their spend throughth ways and the like. Inflation going up.
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Speaker 2: Now they're trying to blame governments from four years ago.
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Speaker 2: It flows into the cost of living. It means we
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Speaker 2: don't get mortgage rate relief. Surely at some stage the
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Speaker 2: gloss is going to fall off this government.
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Speaker 1: People are going to realize what they're up to.
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Speaker 18: Well, that's exactly the point. I mean, it's sitting at
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Speaker 18: three point eight percent. The RBA want it to be
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Speaker 18: between two and three percent, and I feel sorry for
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Speaker 18: the Australian people those that voted in this government thinking
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Speaker 18: that energy prices would come down, that interest rates would
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Speaker 18: come down, And from what I could see today, it's
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Speaker 18: said that interest rates now won't come down till maybe
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Speaker 18: twenty twenty seven.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well was supposed to about cost of living, interest rates,
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Speaker 2: energy prices. They've missed out on all of them. It
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Speaker 2: dominated Parliament today. Here's some of what went on.
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Speaker 10: Prime Minister.
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Speaker 16: Why do Australians have to pay the price for Labour's
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Speaker 16: economic failure?
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Speaker 19: My government is very focused on cost of living measures
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Speaker 19: and I'm putting that downward pressure on inflation.
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Speaker 10: The Treasurer's spending spree continues, forcing the RBA to keep
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Speaker 10: mortgage rates on hold indefinitely twenty nine days before Christmas.
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Speaker 10: What does the Prime Minister have to say to struggling
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Speaker 10: mortgage holders facing no rate relief inside?
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Speaker 19: There have indeed been three interst rate cuts and that
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Speaker 19: has provided real relief for people.
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Speaker 1: Same old arguments.
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Speaker 2: I tell you the big takeout here from me, justin
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Speaker 2: only twenty nine days till Christmas.
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Speaker 1: I better get cracking. You had better done, mate.
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Speaker 17: I see the Prime Minister point it out there there,
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Speaker 17: This is what I was talking about before the PM
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Speaker 17: has pointed out there have been three interest rates cuts.
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Speaker 17: When there weren't interest rates cuts, they said, look, there's
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Speaker 17: nothing we can really do about it. But then monster
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Speaker 17: take credit for the three cuts. So I'm excited.
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Speaker 13: You know.
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Speaker 17: It's just yeah, all governments do it, both sides of politics.
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Speaker 1: They yeah, same old story, same old story. Now talk
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Speaker 1: about the same old story.
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Speaker 2: We're getting a bit of a taste of new questions
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Speaker 2: for next year's sensus.
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Speaker 1: Jamie, Now, how do you feel.
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Speaker 2: About that being asked in a census about your about
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Speaker 2: your sexual preferences?
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Speaker 1: Do you go to pick off on that one? You
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Speaker 1: don't have to tell us here.
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Speaker 18: This is the thing I don't understand why. I personally
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Speaker 18: couldn't care if people wanted to swing from chandeliers, But
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Speaker 18: why is this in a census?
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Speaker 1: Exactly what does the government care?
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Speaker 18: It literally says to consider their sexuality and nature of
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Speaker 18: their romantic or sexual attraction.
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Speaker 10: To other people.
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Speaker 18: Why I know what that has to do with making
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Speaker 18: decisions about governing the nation.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my big query, Justice, Why would a government
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Speaker 2: want to know this? And why would anybody answer it?
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Speaker 17: Swing for one sec they're swinging from chandeliers, Jamie. It's
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Speaker 17: the first time we've ever met. I found out a
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Speaker 17: hell of a lot more than I thought I peractly.
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Speaker 17: But you know, one of the things are about the
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Speaker 17: census is you don't this is one of the beautiful
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Speaker 17: things about it. You don't need to fill it out. Well,
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Speaker 17: you can fill it out, but you don't need to
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Speaker 17: fill out that section. I think there's a part in there.
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Speaker 17: What does it say in there? Yeah, you know, you
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Speaker 17: prefer not to answer, so you don't have to prefer
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Speaker 17: don't have to answer.
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Speaker 2: You could mention the chandeliers, but of course the point
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Speaker 2: is who's swinging from the chandelier with Well.
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Speaker 18: That's exactly.
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Speaker 2: But also, Jamie, they're going to ask there's a whole
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Speaker 2: range of genders.
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Speaker 1: You just got.
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Speaker 18: Female, male, female, non binary or another term. So the
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Speaker 18: census is designed to define information, but they're asking you
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Speaker 18: to define the undefinable.
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Speaker 1: That's I do. Yeah, it's so right.
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Speaker 2: When you want to get some detail on, for instance,
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Speaker 2: the percentage of people in certain of certain genders, on
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Speaker 2: certain areas of employment, certain incomes.
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Speaker 1: You go to the census data.
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Speaker 2: Justin Now we're going to go to the census data
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Speaker 2: to try and find out the male female split in
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Speaker 2: a mining community in the outback, and it's going to
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Speaker 2: tell us who knows everybody's everybody's choosing.
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Speaker 17: Another and they want You may want to know that
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Speaker 17: very information. You may want to know that very thing.
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Speaker 2: Now, let's go to another bugbear of mind, and that
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Speaker 2: is dogs and dogs that are not under control and
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Speaker 2: dogs that do harm to people.
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Speaker 1: There's new information out from.
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Speaker 2: Australia Post and say there's been nearly twelve hundred dog
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Speaker 2: attacks of posties across the country in six months.
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Speaker 1: Twelve hundred in six months. So there's been some.
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Speaker 2: Shocking cases I've shown over the years too, where little
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Speaker 2: kids are killed on the like people are dogs. So
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Speaker 2: I know it's down to the owners, Jamie. I know
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Speaker 2: it's down to the owners.
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Speaker 1: But there's too many irresponsible owners there is.
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Speaker 18: And I looked into this today because I was interested
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Speaker 18: to know why it happened. It's increasing so dramatically in
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Speaker 18: the last six months. I happened to speak to a
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Speaker 18: source at Australia Posts today and there's a few things
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Speaker 18: that play into this. One of them is that posties
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Speaker 18: are no longer delivering going along on a motorbike and
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Speaker 18: delivering letters in letterboxes at almost every stop. They're having
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Speaker 18: to deliver.
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Speaker 1: A parcel to up front of the door.
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Speaker 18: So this is where it's happening. There's a massive increase
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Speaker 18: in online sales in parcel deliveries, and unfortunately posties are
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Speaker 18: having encounters with dogs. Now, I asked, was it just
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Speaker 18: dangerous types of dogs, but no, apparently it's chihuahuas and
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Speaker 18: and poodles and all sorts of breeds. So yeah, unbelievable
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Speaker 18: situation for the posties.
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Speaker 6: At the moment.
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Speaker 1: The poor post he is just Yeah.
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Speaker 17: Bigger penalties for stupid owners I think might be the
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Speaker 17: answer to it, because as you know, you know, it's
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Speaker 17: not just posts. A kid could just be walking past
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Speaker 17: and jump over the fence because they got lost, or
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Speaker 17: you know, they were just doing it for fun or something.
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Speaker 17: Next thing you know, they've got a dog at their face.
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Speaker 17: It's just I think it's just extraordinary. How long are
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Speaker 17: we going to muck around with these dog owners?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a worry.
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Speaker 2: Now, let's lighten things up a bit with some news
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Speaker 2: out of the US, breaking news. Actually it's only happened
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Speaker 2: an hour or so ago. And the son of the
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Speaker 2: crocodile Hunter, Robert Irwin, he's been contesting Dancing with the
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Speaker 2: Stars in the US and seemed to go pretty well
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Speaker 2: for him.
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Speaker 6: Have a look Father Time, Robert.
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Speaker 2: Now, sometimes on the show, I do stuff because I
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Speaker 2: think you might like it something, But I have no
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Speaker 2: understanding of this genre of entertainment or really who Robert
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Speaker 2: Irwin is except son of the crocodile Hunter. It's gonna
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Speaker 2: it's fame, isn't it. Winning this in America?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know what he wins, parad.
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Speaker 18: Absolutely no idea what he wins. But I'm wondering if
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Speaker 18: it'll set the internet on fire, quite like his underwear
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Speaker 18: photo shoot?
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Speaker 1: Did underwear photo shoot? You didn't see that? No, this
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Speaker 1: stuff sometimes passes me by.
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Speaker 18: The news of the year.
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Speaker 1: He's going to be more famous than his dad, justin.
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Speaker 17: I can say this, honestly, there's two things I'd rather
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Speaker 17: get bitten by a dog or swing from a chandelier
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Speaker 17: than watch Dancing with the Stars with Robert Irwin. And
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Speaker 17: you can quote me on that.
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Speaker 2: There he is well, I mean dances all right, but
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Speaker 2: Jamie's Jamie swinging from the channel is in underwear.
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Speaker 1: Your weekends sort of for you. Thanks for joining us, Jamie,
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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks Justin. We'll catch you next week.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to some of us feedback from
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Speaker 2: the program last night and what we had to say
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Speaker 2: about Chris Bowen and.
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Speaker 1: Luke says.
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Speaker 2: I guess freedom of speech isn't important to parliament. Now
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Speaker 2: this was about the cartoon being banned. I talked about
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson that with paul and Hanson earlier. Another of
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Speaker 2: viewers is banning the movie is the best advert possible, possible. Actually,
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Speaker 2: it has got a lot of pussible, a lot of publicity,
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Speaker 2: and this is going to be as big as Crocodile
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Speaker 2: Dundee was in the eighties.
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Speaker 1: Good on you, One Nation crew.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fantastic cartoons they produced. The movie should
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Speaker 2: be a ripper. I'll see you tomorrow night. Here's Peter