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Chloe Gauvin-David | Athletes of the 2024 CrossFit Games · Clydesdale Media Podcast

• 0:10
  What's going on, everybody?
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  Welcome to the Clydesdale Media Podcast.
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  My name is Scott Switch.
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  I'm the Clydesdale.
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  She is Chloe Govind David.
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  And we're here to talk about
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  CrossFit Games.
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  But before we get into that,
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  I was on your Instagram and I have,
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  I want to start with something fun.
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  So I saw on your Instagram,
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  you practicing a movement
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  that you said you did not
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  get to do last year.
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  Oh, yes.
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  So my question to you is,
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  I never saw this technique.
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  Is this legal under the
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  standards of CrossFit?
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  Yes, it is.
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  It is.
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  I know.
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  Funny thing is I posted that
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  thinking it would be like my regular,
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  you know,
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  post with like maybe a hundred likes.
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  And then this thing blew up.
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  I, I don't understand.
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  I just, I guess people have, as you said,
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  not seen that technique or
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  they've never seen that done.
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  It was such a funny
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  throwaway post that really like took,
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  like just took off.
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  Well, one, I love it.
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  With the Olympics just around the corner,
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  it's very like gymnastic.
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  Exactly.
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  And everybody else seems to
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  do it more with a strict movement.
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  With that big kip,
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  that would make it so much easier.
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  yeah that's that's sort of
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  it that's why I posted I
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  was like oh maybe it'll
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  give some people some ideas
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  I got a few tags people
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  were trying it and I think
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  now it's caught on a bit
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  but to answer and even
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  answer your original
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  question it is legal so it
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  might change maybe if dave
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  or adrian saw this they're
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  going to change the
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  standards but the original
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  standards last for two
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  years ago was like start arms extended
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  and pass through a lockout.
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  So there's no like chin up requirement,
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  pull up,
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  or it's just straight arms to
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  lock out like a muscle up.
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  And it, you know,
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  it's up to you to see how
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  you want to get through that positioning.
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  So I guess being a gymnast
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  for this is really, really,
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  really helpful.
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  But you do get very,
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  very dizzy because of the
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  large angle or large, you know,
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  circumference of your turn.
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  So you do get, I think,
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  dizzier doing it this way.
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  It's more efficient,
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  but you get a little bit dizzy.
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  And if you're Brent Fitkowski,
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  you better make sure the
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  bar's high enough.
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  I should post a bent leg
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  version and tag Brent in it.
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  There you go.
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  Oh, but yeah, this is a wild post.
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  I mean, a lot of people tried it.
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  People were tagging me and
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  people were saying their
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  hips were hurting from, you know,
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  trying to get that seamless
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  transition without hitting their hips.
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  So it was a funny post.
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  You never know what's going
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  to go viral in this world, do you?
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  I would have never known.
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  Yeah, but I loved it.
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  I love the view of it.
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  And man,
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  I hope we get to see it in
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  competition and other people use it.
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  Maybe you, maybe this year.
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  If that comes out,
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  I'm going to do a salute.
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  I'm just going to and just be like,
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  this is my moment.
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  Next thing, just at the games,
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  you need to do it with a
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  dismount so you can land.
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  Exactly.
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  Everything for the views, right?
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  Yeah.
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  Because that would totally go viral.
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  Just a layout flip off of there,
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  land it perfectly.
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  Don't give me dreams here.
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  I'm daydreaming with that.
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  So I caught your interview
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  with Dave this morning.
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  Thank goodness it came out
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  right before this because
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  we get to talk about it now.
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  You asked what I thought was
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  a brilliant question.
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  Oh, thank you.
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  You asked Dave if he could
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  create a new workout, not named workout,
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  but yeah.
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  And what would it be?
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  And he kind of walked
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  through the process with
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  you and didn't really put
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  together a full workout,
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  but walked through the process.
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  And you said that's really
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  what you wanted anyway,
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  because you wanted to hear
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  his thought process.
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  In addition to that,
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  you said you read his book
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  and you were waiting for a new one.
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  I ask you if you were
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  creating a new benchmark.
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  Oh, what would it be?
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  Ooh, the tables.
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  Oh my God.
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  Your arms are beautiful, Chloe.
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  Oh, thank you so much.
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  Wow.
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  What a beautiful compliment.
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  Um,
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  Yeah, that's going to,
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  that's going to turn a bit.
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  I think where Dave,
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  I thought it was
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  interesting because I did
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  leave it a little bit open
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  and did in the sense that I said, Oh,
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  benchmark workouts for my experience,
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  Fran, Diane,
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  they were written on the
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  walls when you walked into the affiliate,
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  like those were the,
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  what's your bench from the
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  gym equivalency, right?
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  What's your friend, your Diane,
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  so important and so like pivotal.
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  And whether you stay in CrossFit,
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  it's like, Oh, all these little things,
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  are just part of the process.
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  So I really wanted to hear his perspective,
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  not from a games athlete.
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  And so I'm happy he went that way.
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  He really went what would be
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  like an affiliate new
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  benchmark that people could
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  just could go into their gym and do.
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  He even said it would be
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  different for a new person,
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  like someone just walking off the street.
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  But for someone who's been doing, you know,
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  three, six months CrossFit,
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  what would be a new benchmark?
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  Personally, I feel like
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  Right now, like the Fran,
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  Diane's and Cindy's are
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  really cool in the sense
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  that they're varied.
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  You have some short, some long.
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  So I think where I would go
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  is trying to bring in maybe,
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  like he mentioned the wall walk.
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  I love a wall walk.
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  So bringing in maybe like a
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  newer movement style, like a wall walk,
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  something we haven't seen
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  that's accessible,
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  but that we haven't seen.
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  But as he said,
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  I agreed with him in the
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  sense that you want it to be accessible.
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  So a wall walk, you can even put it,
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  a line for the scaled and
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  you can do the full line to the 10 inch.
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  You want some version of
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  like a thruster that everybody can do.
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  I do like the complexity of
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  like a squat snatch, which we evolved.
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  We talked about Amanda towards the end.
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  I do like the difficulty
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  where it's a challenge
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  where someone might
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  necessarily not walk in and
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  be able to do it.
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  And now they want to strive towards it.
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  I think that's interesting.
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  And that's gets, gets people into, Oh,
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  I have to train for this
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  and I'm going to eventually get it.
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  like Fran banded first time
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  and then kipping and then
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  butterfly as you progress.
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  So as Dave,
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  I don't think I could write
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  something on the fly,
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  but I would definitely try
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  to have maybe a new-ish
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  movement like the wall walk,
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  which shows the evolution of the sport,
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  but still keeping some challenge,
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  perhaps like a thrust or a
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  wall walk and maybe
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  something more complex so
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  that people could strive
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  towards getting it RX for the first time.
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  So you don't get it right away.
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  You have to kind of work for it.
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  Yeah,
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  and I like your response to the
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  Amanda because, you know, on paper,
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  it's 9-7-5.
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  Everybody's like, well, that's it.
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  Exactly.
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  And then when you're done with it,
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  you said, talk to me when you're done.
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  And then you realize you
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  just got hit with something
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  you didn't realize.
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  What I like about it,
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  the way you described it,
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  is something to strive for.
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  When I started CrossFit in 2011,
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  like Fran was that thing I
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  wanted to be able to do RX.
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  And my gym had a very like
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  big stipulation that you
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  had to do it in under five
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  or you're missing the stimulus.
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  Even if you could do
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  pull-ups and you could do the thruster,
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  if you couldn't do it under five,
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  then you still need to scale.
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  And so it was this big like
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  achievement to try to get to that,
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  to be able to do it.
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  So that's the one part I
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  kind of disagreed with Dave a little bit.
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  Like,
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  Burpees and a dumbbell
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  thruster is not something to strive for.
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  It's just something that's going to hurt.
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  But I get what he was trying
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  to make a point of, too,
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  that sometimes programming
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  just needs to be simple and
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  let the athlete shine.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah, we got a lot out of it, right?
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  As you can see,
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  there was a lot out of that one question.
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  I didn't think it would be, it was great,
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  but I didn't, I didn't expect that.
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  I would agree with you in
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  the sense that a burpee and
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  a thruster is maybe too accessible,
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  but I understand, as he said,
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  it depends if someone's
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  like walking off the street,
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  am I introducing it to CrossFit?
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  You could tell he wasn't
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  sure where to bring it.
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  So I think he showed from burpee,
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  thruster,
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  And he went all the way to Amanda, right?
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  A friend, a pimped up friend.
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  So I think he showed even mentally his,
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  okay,
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  from I don't know what CrossFit is
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  to almost CrossFit games.
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  He showed what the benchmark
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  could evolve into depending
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  on what level you're at.
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  But striving for me, for sure,
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  a benchmark is something
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  you have to strive to achieve.
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  That's what makes it like benchmark.
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  Like, wow,
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  I'm going to go write my time down.
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  And it's going to matter and
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  I can put it in the Rx
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  category today because I
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  worked on it and etc.
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  I think the main thing I got
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  out of it is it's not easy.
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  Like coming up with a
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  benchmark is not a simple thing.
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  It takes a lot of thought.
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  There's a lot of factors into it.
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  What do you want to accomplish with it?
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  So then my follow-up question to you is,
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  if you were ever given the
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  opportunity to program the
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  games or a major competition,
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  would you jump at that chance?
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  Because it seems like you
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  really nerd out on this stuff.
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  I mean,
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  it would be a lot of pressure and I
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  feel like it would be
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  something that you have to
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  tread into with a lot of
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  like caution and
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  understanding that this is a big moment,
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  especially like games or
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  semifinals or of that caliber.
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  I already program a master's comp.
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  So in Quebec,
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  we have like this masters competition,
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  masters only competition
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  that people come all over Quebec,
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  which is, you know,
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  a few hours ride to come to
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  our competition.
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  And I always take it with a
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  lot of seriousness in the
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  sense that masters are often, oh,
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  in our comps, RX scaled master.
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  It's like, oh,
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  there's knee raises and it's
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  okay because they're masters.
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  And I'm like, no,
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  I want to do a masters comp
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  For masters, not lesser.
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  No.
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  What can they do at their level,
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  at their age group?
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  What does it look like?
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  Inspired by looking at Dave, Adrian Bosman,
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  how they scale it down.
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  Is it weight?
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  Is it reps?
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  Is it rounds?
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  How do they do it?
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  Because they're the greats.
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  And then work off of that
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  and give them a true
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  competition for masters of all calibers.
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  So we do have scaled masters
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  and RX masters.
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  So I do have a little bit of
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  that experience of really
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  having to deconstruct and
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  organize and test and
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  retest because I've made
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  those programming errors where you go,
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  this is going to be great.
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  And it's a complete disaster in testing.
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  So I've already had that experience.
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  So I think I would totally
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  jump at programming a big event.
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  That would be almost dream, like a dream.
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  I would absolutely love it.
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  It's funny you talk about
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  that because I think
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  Masters is probably harder
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  to program for than the
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  Elites because there are so
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  many age divisions.
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  I was at Legends last year
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  where they scaled out the
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  bar muscle up from the 60 plus athletes,
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  60 to 64 and 65 plus.
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  Those athletes begged,
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  let us show you what we can do.
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  And they changed it on the fly.
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  They made it like round one
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  was chest to bar round two.
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  Then you get to go for your bar muscle up.
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  And those that could do it could do it.
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  And they got to show
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  everybody what they could do.
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  So I think if you've done masters,
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  it would be almost easier
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  to do the elite.
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  Yeah,
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  I can see where you're going with that.
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  I understand it's
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  It's you go from such a
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  limitation to almost,
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  I'll say no limitation because you know,
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  for us,
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  35 to 39 can pretty much do what
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  the elite athletes are, right?
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  You're just out of the game.
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  Then you go all the way to
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  65 plus and they're
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  everything in between.
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  So the, yeah,
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  figuring out what is
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  appropriate for every age
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  group is a lot more thought
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  process than just the elites.
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  Yeah.
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  And men and women as well.
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  I feel as, yeah, masters, men and women.
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  So you almost have a lot of subcategories.
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  You have the age, you have men and women,
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  and there's a bigger
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  difference throughout the age categories.
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  Like for us, okay, yeah,
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  calories will be adjusted.
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  And yes, but I mean, masters,
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  there is a bigger difference for sure.
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  Corey Leonard says,
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  I now have a new favorite athlete.
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  Thank you, Chloe,
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  for recognizing that we're old, not dead.
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  I hear that a lot.
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  Actually.
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  That's so funny.
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  I love it.
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  It's that's exactly it.
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  When the athletes after the comp,
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  I always say,
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  give me feedback on programming.
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  I want it.
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  Tell me like, Oh, tell me,
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  give me the information.
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  Cause I can only get better
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  if you tell me versus if
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  you don't tell me.
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  And they always say,
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  thank you for challenging, not, you know,
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  making it easier.
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  It's like challenging, but doable.
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  And obviously what's in the
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  finale is not necessarily
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  what's written in the standards.
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  Like they know finale, anything goes.
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  And I put handstand walks in
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  my finales for masters.
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  And we do it, and it's, you know,
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  some of them, you know, they get mad,
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  but the next year, I swear,
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  they come back and they're like,
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  all right,
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  there better be handstand walk
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  this year because I'm ready.
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  So I just feel like you have the challenge,
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  but of course,
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  you still have to keep the
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  majority of the competition doable, fun,
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  accessible, but finding that,
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  just that nuance, and it's really tough.
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  I don't always get it right, but I try.
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  And it's funny you say that
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  because it happens in the elite too,
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  like the year they
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  introduced the pegboards.
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  what less than a handful could do them.
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  And now it's a basic movement.
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  Exactly.
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  Uh, and that,
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  that's how you advance the
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  sport and that's how you grow and,
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  and everybody gets better.
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  Um, we'll move on from programming.
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  a couple more fun things.
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  You have now these new
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  competitions that are
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  coming out like SoCal,
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  Wadapalooza that are doing
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  North America versus the world.
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  You have a fit fest is now
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  doing Europe versus the
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  world as a Canadian.
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  And the,
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  the amount of athletes that Canada
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  is putting into the games
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  now at the highest levels,
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  when are we going to see
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  Canada versus the world?
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  No, you bring it up a good point.
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  I did.
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  I always have that little
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  thought behind my head.
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  I go, I see like the world, you know,
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  Europe or, and they all make sense.
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  You want that.
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  You want that.
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  US, but I feel like the invitational,
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  I mean, we had Canada.
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  So it was there at some point.
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  I don't know if it's because
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  of the athletes that were
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  there or the representation, right?
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  Oh, there were more Canadian athletes,
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  perhaps.
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  And now it's changed.
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  Now it's North America,
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  because we had Canada East, Canada West,
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  we had the Atlas Games.
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  So I feel like slowly, but surely,
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  we've kind of cut down a bit.
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  And now it's like, okay, all of America,
• 16:20
  North America, and
• 16:21
  we're all just one big pool of athletes.
• 16:24
  But in my heart, like in my head,
• 16:26
  there's always a little bit of, yeah,
• 16:28
  like Canada should be
• 16:29
  represented as its own space,
• 16:31
  as its own country,
• 16:33
  as its own like representation.
• 16:35
  That's exactly what I thought.
• 16:36
  I said, oh, Jeff Adler is North America.
• 16:38
  Oh yeah, North America is all of us,
• 16:41
  which again, it's okay to be with the US.
• 16:44
  I just feel like we're powerhouse too.
• 16:46
  I feel like there is place
• 16:47
  perhaps for us as well,
• 16:49
  if you look at the athletes.
• 16:51
  So I don't know where it
• 16:52
  went and I'd love to hear
• 16:53
  the mindset of why there's
• 16:54
  probably a reason,
• 16:55
  but I did say the same thing.
• 16:57
  I said, Oh, Canada,
• 16:58
  that would be really cool.
• 17:00
  Well,
• 17:00
  we look at the European semifinal and
• 17:03
  the emotion that goes in the,
• 17:05
  the spectators have because
• 17:07
  they get the route for their country,
• 17:09
  right?
• 17:10
  Because in Europe,
• 17:11
  there are 20 different
• 17:12
  countries represented at semifinals.
• 17:15
  And, um,
• 17:17
  And while we're friends with Canada,
• 17:20
  the U.S.
• 17:20
  and Canada are really good friends,
• 17:22
  there is some rivalry.
• 17:23
  You look at Olympic hockey
• 17:25
  and how visceral it gets
• 17:29
  between the two countries.
• 17:32
  I think that Canada should
• 17:33
  have representation when
• 17:34
  three of the top four men
• 17:36
  athletes last year were Canadian.
• 17:38
  That's true.
• 17:40
  And I co-host a show with Carolyn Prevost,
• 17:42
  and her immediate reaction was,
• 17:45
  why doesn't Canada have their own team?
• 17:47
  That's what I thought too.
• 17:50
  But,
• 17:52
  and I think like Canada could put that on,
• 17:54
  but I, and this is just facts.
• 17:56
  I think the can West fiasco
• 17:59
  has hurt Canadian competitions.
• 18:01
  I agree.
• 18:02
  I agree.
• 18:03
  Atlas with the, you know,
• 18:04
  the COVID experience as well.
• 18:05
  I mean,
• 18:05
  I know a lot of places got closed down,
• 18:07
  but we were the one where
• 18:08
  the athletes were in the briefing.
• 18:11
  I was there.
• 18:11
  We were sitting in the briefing.
• 18:13
  I was listening.
• 18:13
  I took a flight.
• 18:14
  I took,
• 18:15
  we're sitting in the auditorium and
• 18:17
  they close.
• 18:18
  They're like that really
• 18:19
  broke people in the sense that, Oh,
• 18:21
  it just crushed them to
• 18:22
  have traveled paid that close.
• 18:25
  And then the can West with all the payouts,
• 18:27
  the can East it's,
• 18:29
  It's been tough for Canada.
• 18:30
  I totally agree in that sense.
• 18:32
  But I mean,
• 18:32
  you can still have like
• 18:33
  representation at the SoCal
• 18:36
  event or that they're putting it on.
• 18:38
  They can still decide if they wish to,
• 18:40
  to have Canada as one of the representing,
• 18:43
  I'll say,
• 18:46
  Nations for now?
• 18:47
  There's like Europe, right?
• 18:49
  Europe.
• 18:49
  No, world.
• 18:50
  World is all of Europe, right?
• 18:51
  Is that it?
• 18:52
  Europe and others?
• 18:54
  So Cal is doing North
• 18:55
  America versus the world.
• 18:57
  Yeah, exactly.
• 18:57
  I'm thinking in the UK and
• 19:01
  they're doing Europe versus the world.
• 19:03
  Yes, exactly.
• 19:04
  So Canada versus the world.
• 19:05
  Yeah, we could do something like that.
• 19:06
  You could grow the sport
• 19:08
  here if you did just US
• 19:10
  versus Canada in the
• 19:11
  offseason every year.
• 19:14
  Just a one day,
• 19:16
  like the invitational was one day,
• 19:17
  couple hours, right?
• 19:21
  That was fun.
• 19:22
  I miss it.
• 19:23
  I miss it.
• 19:23
  That was, that was awesome.
• 19:26
  I mean,
• 19:26
  the invitational was must watch for
• 19:29
  a CrossFit nerd.
• 19:30
  We would barbecue,
• 19:32
  my buddies and I would sit
• 19:33
  around the TV and we would
• 19:34
  watch it for a couple hours
• 19:36
  and it was just a great day.
• 19:39
  I agree.
• 19:40
  I agree.
• 19:40
  And then it was like everybody was like,
• 19:42
  who's going to be on the team?
• 19:44
  And like the weeks before, it's like, oh,
• 19:46
  who are they going to pick between?
• 19:47
  Is the best event finish?
• 19:48
  What is it from the games?
• 19:50
  And everybody would
• 19:51
  speculate who would be on the team.
• 19:53
  And it was just something
• 19:54
  for the offseason.
• 19:55
  Right.
• 19:56
  Because the offseason before
• 19:58
  Rogue and then Rogue came into the space,
• 20:00
  which is amazing.
• 20:01
  Rogue is absolutely amazing.
• 20:04
  One more topical thing I
• 20:05
  want to get your impression on,
• 20:06
  and then we'll talk about
• 20:07
  your goals for the games.
• 20:09
  But I like talking about
• 20:10
  this stuff more because I
• 20:11
  think we learn more.
• 20:13
  You have been a team athlete
• 20:15
  and an individual athlete.
• 20:18
  Recently, a couple drug pops have come,
• 20:22
  and it's in the team competition.
• 20:26
  Off the air,
• 20:27
  Carolyn and I were having a
• 20:28
  conversation about how
• 20:30
  difficult it is to put your
• 20:32
  trust in three other people.
• 20:36
  going into a team season and
• 20:38
  you have no control over
• 20:39
  what they do when they're
• 20:40
  away from practice.
• 20:43
  As a team athlete, what is that like?
• 20:45
  And then I don't know if you
• 20:46
  saw Sasha Nieve's response.
• 20:50
  But it was not discarded at all.
• 20:55
  She basically let it all out,
• 20:57
  how disappointed she was,
• 20:59
  fighting through injury to
• 21:00
  make it through this season,
• 21:02
  and then to have it ripped
• 21:03
  away because one of her
• 21:04
  teammates was irresponsible.
• 21:08
  Yeah, it's, there's almost no words.
• 21:12
  I, I, in my brain, I just went there.
• 21:15
  Imagine if like one of my seasons,
• 21:17
  I just put myself in that
• 21:18
  mindset for a second and it's just,
• 21:21
  it's devastating.
• 21:22
  Um, but again, you can't,
• 21:26
  it's not something you could control.
• 21:27
  It's not something you could change.
• 21:29
  You can't go back and it's
• 21:31
  so difficult when it's out
• 21:33
  of your control.
• 21:33
  Like a lot of things for a
• 21:34
  lot of athletes.
• 21:36
  Do you think some athletes
• 21:37
  do not do team because they
• 21:39
  can't control that?
• 21:40
  That's interesting.
• 21:41
  I didn't think of that perspective.
• 21:44
  Perhaps it depends again,
• 21:47
  how much you trust your teammates,
• 21:48
  how much you know them as, as,
• 21:51
  as people first, um,
• 21:52
  I think a lot of the
• 21:53
  teammates I've been on,
• 21:54
  like I've known as people
• 21:55
  before even considering
• 21:57
  going team with them.
• 21:58
  So I have a little bit more
• 21:59
  perspective on their,
• 22:00
  I'll say their character or
• 22:01
  their choices or even their
• 22:03
  informed decisions.
• 22:04
  Because not all those cases are, oh,
• 22:06
  I decided to and yeah, I chose to dope.
• 22:09
  Some of them it's, you know,
• 22:11
  like an error in reading,
• 22:12
  a wrong product.
• 22:14
  So it's not always their fault,
• 22:15
  but that is still like
• 22:17
  informed decisions.
• 22:19
  Like, I mean, I read everything,
• 22:21
  everything.
• 22:22
  I over, I would say I overdo it.
• 22:25
  Like my, my boyfriend knows,
• 22:26
  like when I come home from semis,
• 22:27
  I'm like, okay, like,
• 22:29
  are we sure that we checked everything?
• 22:30
  I really go overboard perhaps.
• 22:33
  And just knowing that others
• 22:34
  are the same and are not as careless.
• 22:36
  I think that's important.
• 22:38
  So perhaps some people that go,
• 22:40
  should I go team with this person?
• 22:41
  I don't really know them.
• 22:43
  Perhaps not.
• 22:45
  But I think the biggest
• 22:46
  thing that I remember is
• 22:49
  like the move fast lift to
• 22:50
  heavy team that I went on.
• 22:52
  I remember having that conversation.
• 22:53
  They had popped the year before 22, 21.
• 22:55
  I don't want to quote it wrong,
• 22:58
  but I don't remember which year.
• 22:59
  And we had a discussion about that.
• 23:02
  And when I came into that year, they said,
• 23:04
  we're going to all sit in the office.
• 23:06
  Give me the list of all your supplements.
• 23:08
  So I think people learn as well.
• 23:10
  So we checked everything.
• 23:11
  Everything was checked earlier.
• 23:13
  Like, okay, give me a list.
• 23:14
  What is everybody in?
• 23:16
  Everybody understands what
• 23:17
  we're going into.
• 23:17
  You do not take anything that's been open.
• 23:20
  Like even just a drink.
• 23:21
  Oh, like vendors, right?
• 23:23
  You think it's ridiculous.
• 23:24
  I never take anything from a
• 23:26
  vendor that's open.
• 23:27
  I know it's totally ridiculous,
• 23:29
  like a sample, but-
• 23:31
  It's open.
• 23:32
  It's open.
• 23:33
  So I'm friends with the,
• 23:35
  the pan check twins.
• 23:36
  Like they won't even like
• 23:38
  take a protein bar from
• 23:39
  anybody or anything.
• 23:41
  Like if,
• 23:42
  if they had didn't purchase it
• 23:43
  themselves and check it out,
• 23:46
  they do not eat it.
• 23:47
  Same, same.
• 23:49
  It's tempting.
• 23:50
  It's everything's out there.
• 23:51
  And it's like, try this, try that.
• 23:53
  And it's just trying to stay focused.
• 23:55
  So yeah,
• 23:56
  like I learned a lot in that
• 23:57
  moment with move fast, lift heavy.
• 23:58
  It was like, okay,
• 23:58
  we're going to go talk in the,
• 23:59
  in the office.
• 24:00
  I was like, okay, this is serious.
• 24:02
  And they're like, okay,
• 24:02
  we're going to talk about that.
• 24:03
  And I said, wow,
• 24:05
  that's really being
• 24:05
  proactive as much as you
• 24:07
  can and really taking
• 24:08
  things as much into your hands,
• 24:10
  checking everything,
• 24:10
  helping the athletes out.
• 24:12
  So I think a lot of it comes to, as I said,
• 24:14
  informed choice, looking, being proactive,
• 24:17
  even as a team,
• 24:18
  talking to your teammates and saying,
• 24:20
  what are you taking?
• 24:21
  Do you need help?
• 24:22
  Do you need, hey,
• 24:23
  let's all bundle and all
• 24:24
  buy the same things.
• 24:25
  And so, yeah.
• 24:27
  And it's like a Christian as
• 24:30
  a leader learned from a bad experience,
• 24:33
  never to let that happen again.
• 24:35
  And that's why I'm assuming
• 24:36
  that meeting happened.
• 24:38
  Yeah, well, exactly.
• 24:39
  We, we, we really,
• 24:40
  we were all on the same
• 24:42
  page and it was a very,
• 24:42
  very serious discussion,
• 24:44
  which it needs to be.
• 24:45
  This is a very serious
• 24:47
  commitment that we're all doing.
• 24:48
  I was taking flights and it's,
• 24:50
  it's a very serious
• 24:51
  commitment no matter what.
• 24:52
  And you're committing
• 24:52
  yourself to others as well.
• 24:54
  It's not just yourself.
• 24:55
  It's the whole team.
• 24:57
  Yeah.
• 24:58
  So segueing, when you were at semifinals,
• 25:01
  you were coaching a team
• 25:03
  and you were competing individually.
• 25:04
  Yeah.
• 25:05
  And every time I saw you backstage,
• 25:07
  you were coaching your team.
• 25:08
  And I didn't see you doing
• 25:10
  like getting ready yourself
• 25:12
  for the floor.
• 25:13
  I know you probably were,
• 25:15
  but it just so happens like
• 25:16
  all I saw was your
• 25:17
  dedication to that team.
• 25:20
  Now you're going to the
• 25:21
  games without that commitment.
• 25:25
  I know you'd love for the
• 25:26
  team to have made it,
• 25:27
  but what does it do to you?
• 25:30
  Can you focus more on yourself now?
• 25:32
  And is that going to make it
• 25:33
  easier for you at the games?
• 25:37
  I think so.
• 25:38
  I think without taking away
• 25:39
  from like the team and prior engagements,
• 25:42
  I mean, I chose to do everything.
• 25:45
  to help the team,
• 25:46
  I chose to take that
• 25:47
  leadership role and that coach's role.
• 25:49
  And I was very happy to do it.
• 25:51
  And even at semis,
• 25:53
  they were awesome in the sense that,
• 25:55
  Chloe, do what you need to do.
• 25:56
  If you need to step away,
• 25:58
  or they really were awesome
• 26:00
  in always saying, Chloe,
• 26:01
  think of yourself first.
• 26:02
  But I said, no,
• 26:03
  this is what I said I would do.
• 26:05
  And at the start of the year,
• 26:05
  and I'm someone that when I
• 26:06
  say I'm going to do something, I do it.
• 26:09
  So I try to stick to what I say.
• 26:13
  So to your question,
• 26:16
  semis was a lot of focus on
• 26:18
  them day one and day two.
• 26:20
  I don't think I even had
• 26:21
  time to stress on my event.
• 26:23
  And I think that kind of
• 26:24
  played a positive role.
• 26:25
  Like I heard your discussion with Carolyn,
• 26:27
  um, about.
• 26:30
  Like, oh, did it help Chloe or not?
• 26:31
  And I watched that and it
• 26:33
  was really interesting.
• 26:34
  And I think she got it
• 26:36
  completely right in the
• 26:36
  sense that it liberated my
• 26:38
  brain of overstressing.
• 26:39
  And it just made it that I'm
• 26:41
  here to compete and have fun.
• 26:43
  I'm here to enjoy.
• 26:44
  And I know people don't like
• 26:45
  saying having fun,
• 26:46
  but truly just enjoying.
• 26:48
  I've been doing this long
• 26:49
  enough to step out on the floor and say,
• 26:51
  hey, I'm here.
• 26:51
  That doesn't mean I have no fire.
• 26:54
  I'm going to tell you when I
• 26:56
  walk out on the floor, it's like,
• 26:58
  I'm going unbroken on those
• 26:59
  doubles and I'm a grab the
• 27:00
  bar and you know, we're laughing,
• 27:02
  but it was serious in the moment.
• 27:03
  But then as soon as I step off, it's okay.
• 27:05
  What does the team need?
• 27:06
  What are we doing?
• 27:07
  Where are we at?
• 27:08
  So I think that liberated
• 27:09
  some brain space in that way.
• 27:11
  And it allowed me to have a
• 27:12
  really good semifinals as we saw.
• 27:14
  And I think that turning that into games.
• 27:17
  I think I can train a lot more.
• 27:20
  I was giving up a lot of my
• 27:22
  weekends to train the team
• 27:23
  and help them with the worm and such.
• 27:25
  And that would put a little
• 27:26
  bit of my training on pause.
• 27:28
  So I would say that time wise,
• 27:30
  I do have more time to
• 27:31
  dedicate to myself and not the team.
• 27:34
  So I think that's the
• 27:35
  biggest advantage that I'll
• 27:36
  have now is the time to
• 27:37
  train the brain space,
• 27:39
  not programming for them
• 27:40
  and really just keeping
• 27:42
  that energy towards my own success,
• 27:44
  my own development and my own goals.
• 27:47
  I have this advantage of
• 27:49
  co-hosting a show with Carolyn,
• 27:51
  and we talk all the time.
• 27:53
  How is it that the two of
• 27:55
  you in 2018 are essentially
• 27:57
  tied for the spot to go to the games?
• 28:01
  And I would say Carolyn is
• 28:03
  one of your biggest fans as well.
• 28:05
  I'm one of our two biggest fans.
• 28:08
  So how do you go from like
• 28:09
  these competitors that tie
• 28:12
  for the last spot to go to
• 28:13
  the games and you guys have
• 28:15
  remained friends for all these years?
• 28:20
  I think there's two,
• 28:21
  there's two funny moments.
• 28:24
  Well,
• 28:24
  one statement I'll say in one funny
• 28:26
  moment, the statement,
• 28:28
  I think we've both done
• 28:29
  team sports and I think
• 28:32
  team sports really allow
• 28:34
  you to learn to like win and lose and
• 28:37
  I think as a team and
• 28:38
  sometimes it's out of your control,
• 28:41
  sometimes it's in your control.
• 28:42
  Sometimes I think as a team player,
• 28:45
  you appreciate others and
• 28:46
  you're able to say like
• 28:47
  good game and good job and
• 28:49
  appreciate others winning
• 28:51
  even at your loss.
• 28:52
  I think vice versa.
• 28:53
  I think Carolyn has that like tenfold.
• 28:57
  she can really step out of
• 28:58
  the moment and and still
• 29:00
  appreciate I remember her
• 29:02
  at 2018 we hugged and she's
• 29:04
  like I think it's you and I
• 29:05
  said I think it's you
• 29:06
  because I'm the one that
• 29:07
  messed up on the last event
• 29:08
  I did terribly almost took
• 29:09
  last so I thought it was
• 29:10
  her and it was such an
• 29:12
  authentic moment and when I
• 29:14
  when it did when it was
• 29:15
  announced that it was me
• 29:16
  You know, she had her moment, but she was,
• 29:19
  there was no,
• 29:20
  I didn't feel any resentment.
• 29:22
  She said, good job.
• 29:23
  And that stayed in my brain.
• 29:24
  I said, wow,
• 29:25
  she could have gone any
• 29:26
  direction with that.
• 29:27
  And she chose to be like the
• 29:28
  most sportsman person ever.
• 29:31
  And from that moment, I was like, wow,
• 29:33
  that's someone with amazing character.
• 29:35
  And that's someone that I have to keep.
• 29:36
  She's not far from me.
• 29:37
  I like, I have to keep in my circle and my,
• 29:39
  in my positive circle.
• 29:41
  And then 20, she went back to the games,
• 29:44
  2021.
• 29:44
  2022 she took the spot at
• 29:48
  atlas atlas that's 2022
• 29:50
  right I think 21 21 so 20 I
• 29:50
  don't know I'm 22 yeah I
• 29:52
  think it's 22 21 21 was
• 29:54
  online atlas 22 was an in-person atlas
• 30:06
  Yes, okay.
• 30:07
  So in person, so 2022,
• 30:10
  I remember she was going
• 30:11
  into the last event, the legless run,
• 30:13
  and obviously she had to do
• 30:14
  really great to keep her spot.
• 30:17
  And I remember talking to
• 30:17
  her coach and to her and
• 30:19
  telling the coach saying,
• 30:21
  I still remember last event,
• 30:23
  like you just being –
• 30:26
  there and still being a good
• 30:27
  person and being very very
• 30:29
  positive regardless of
• 30:31
  whether we had to compete
• 30:33
  and then her coach told me
• 30:34
  yeah I told her backstage
• 30:37
  2022 this is like the year
• 30:38
  of Chloe you have to go out
• 30:40
  there crush those leg lists
• 30:41
  to earn your spot so she he
• 30:43
  brought that back up and
• 30:45
  then when I watched it and
• 30:46
  when she qualified I went
• 30:48
  under and said see
• 30:49
  Like this is your moment.
• 30:50
  You crushed it.
• 30:51
  You got it.
• 30:52
  You deserved it.
• 30:53
  It's all you.
• 30:54
  So I feel like there's a few
• 30:55
  moments back and forth
• 30:56
  there where we've
• 30:57
  appreciate each other's
• 30:58
  like success and just stayed.
• 31:01
  Yes, competitors,
• 31:02
  but just being able to
• 31:03
  appreciate the person under
• 31:04
  the competitor.
• 31:05
  I think that makes a huge difference.
• 31:08
  Yeah, that's awesome.
• 31:10
  So she's amazing.
• 31:12
  I've already gone the 30 minutes I said,
• 31:14
  so I'm just going to ask
• 31:14
  you one last question.
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  And that is you're going into the games.
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  You were retired for about
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  two weeks and then now
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  you're back to the games.
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  What is your goal this year?
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  I'm here.
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  No, actually, interestingly enough,
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  2018, I qualified.
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  It wasn't necessarily
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  something I was aiming for
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  the whole year in 2018.
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  I was happy to go to regionals.
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  It was like my fourth regionals.
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  And I was like, well, like, OK,
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  I'm getting better.
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  I'm getting better.
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  But always 10th, 9th,
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  because I was close to fifth.
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  So I was just hoping to get
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  better year after year.
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  And then 2018 events, a lot of gymnastics,
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  the ramp just wasn't my favor.
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  And I qualified and I went
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  to the games kind of as a rookie,
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  bright eyed, bushy tailed.
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  Taking it in and now 2021, 2022,
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  2023 team.
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  I know the game's feeling.
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  I know what it's like to step out.
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  I know what it's like to warm up,
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  cool down.
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  I have so much more
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  experience than that little girl in 2018.
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  Like I told Dave.
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  So I feel like now 2024,
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  I want to go in there being
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  able to perform.
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  I still want to have fun.
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  I want to enjoy.
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  I want to walk out, see the environment.
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  But the same thing I did semis,
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  which is three, two, one, go.
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  I want to perform, execute.
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  I have goals, intention per workout.
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  That's the thing that I want
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  to work on this year that I
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  didn't do in 2018.
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  2018,
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  I just did the workout like if it was
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  a class workout.
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  Now I want to like attack it.
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  And where that lands me, that lands me.
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  I don't have ranking objectives.
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  I don't know, you know, making the cuts,
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  not the cuts.
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  I don't want to put that on my plate.
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  I just want to make sure
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  that every time I'm on the floor,
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  like at semis,
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  I do it and I do it for myself.
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  I crush it and that'll land
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  me where it lands me.
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  Was your surprise look at semis authentic?
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  Oh my God.
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  Yes.
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  Ninth.
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  Like I don't, I don't even understand.
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  I was 15 going into the last event.
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  15th.
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  Like this makes, it still makes no sense.
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  I was trying to talk with my boyfriend.
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  I'm like, how many points?
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  He's like, yeah, I think I'm like,
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  I am like, there's no way I was fit.
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  There's no way I had no clue.
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  And then Sousa was behind me
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  and he was filming me.
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  And I'm like, if he's filming me,
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  maybe I have a chance,
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  but I'm telling you it was authentic.
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  I was like, what just happened?
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  All I could think about was my team.
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  There was a lot going on.
• 33:45
  It just felt overwhelming in
• 33:47
  the moment of how could I
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  be getting this when it was
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  supposed to be my team?
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  There was a lot.
• 33:53
  It was a lot.
• 33:53
  I feel like people maybe were like, oh,
• 33:55
  she was surprised.
• 33:56
  I was surprised, but there was more.
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  I think it was multiple
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  layers to my reaction.
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  Nothing would prepare you
• 34:04
  for the games more than that field.
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  That was a stacked feeling.
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  And it just showed anything
• 34:11
  could happen because there
• 34:12
  was so much middling.
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  Right?
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  Because it is so stacked.
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  That last day,
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  someone from the first heat
• 34:20
  finished in the top five in every event.
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  That's how crazy it was.
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  Absolutely.
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  Well, Chloe, man,
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  you become one of my
• 34:30
  favorite people to interview.
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  Because it doesn't feel like an interview.
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  It just feels like we're hanging out.
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  That's how I feel too.
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  But I want to thank you so
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  much for taking the time.
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  Enjoy the rest of your day.
• 34:43
  Enjoy training and we'll see you in Texas.
• 34:45
  You're going to be there.
• 34:47
  We got, I got my media credentials Friday.
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  Congrats.
• 34:51
  That's exciting.
• 34:51
  That's so exciting.
• 34:53
  Yeah.
• 34:53
  So I will be there this year
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  and I can't wait to cheer you on.
• 34:57
  Perfect.
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  Can't wait to see you there.
• 34:58
  If you cross me, let's say hi,
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  take a picture for sure.
• 35:01
  All right.
• 35:02
  Thanks Chloe.
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  We'll see you soon.
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  Perfect.
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  Thank you.