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Ep. 822: Public Lands and Weird Headlines | MeatEater Radio Live! · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain
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  Speaker 2: time here in Bozeman, Montana, and that's eleven am for
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  Speaker 2: our friends in Great Falls, Montana. I'm your host, Randa Williams,
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  Speaker 2: joined today by my good friends Corey Calkins Brody Henderson.
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  Speaker 2: As always, Phil Taylor, Master of Ceremonies, is behind the
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  Speaker 2: board here. We've got a great show for you today.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna talk to two fellas who just started a
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  Speaker 2: brand new advocacy group for hunters and anglers in Wyoming.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna play a little game called fake news. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna chat with Meat Eater's brand spanking new director of Conservation,
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  Speaker 2: Mark Kenyon. We've got another edition of the Meat Poll.
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  Speaker 2: Glad to have you with us. Thanks for joining, Brody, Corey.
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  Speaker 2: We were just chatting before the show that we don't
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  Speaker 2: have a lot to talk about. I suggested Corey talked
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  Speaker 2: about his son's broken arm, and he seemed reluctant to
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  Speaker 2: do so, So I'm just gonna put it out there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Brody, been doing anything fun out there.
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  Speaker 4: We're not worried about social services checking in.
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  Speaker 1: Are you?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? No, I guess who hasn't jumped off of a
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  Speaker 2: swing too far? Yeah, Marshall fell off a swing. That's
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  Speaker 2: like a classic childhood milestone, no doubt swings or monkey
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  Speaker 2: bars or you know, rope swings with another kid. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: pretty Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The Caulkins family is on a roll getting injured this.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, the Caulkins men go hard.
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  Speaker 5: We do.
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  Speaker 3: We'd go hard in the paint, whether we're trying to
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  Speaker 3: trees or jumping on a swing.
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  Speaker 6: Was it like a very showy breaking of the arm,
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  Speaker 6: Like did he launch himself off the swing?
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  Speaker 7: No?
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  Speaker 2: I guess he was having a like long distance jumping contests. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: and then nothing happened there. I don't know who won,
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  Speaker 2: Probably not him, he's got he's pretty short. And then
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  Speaker 2: he just jumped back on and then I think he
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  Speaker 2: fell on his face and his wrist broke his fall,
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  Speaker 2: so minor fracture. He'll be fine. Oh yeah, he'll be
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  Speaker 2: all right. Now.
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  Speaker 6: I got nothing, Randal. I'm just looking at Wyoming drods
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  Speaker 6: for mule deer.
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  Speaker 2: Not getting out on the ice.
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  Speaker 4: What ice?
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  Speaker 6: Yeh, yeah, I got I got a pile of points,
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  Speaker 6: but my pile isn't quite big enough. Like, I'm a
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  Speaker 6: couple behind max points, which is a bad place to
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  Speaker 6: be in Wyoming.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in the same position with elk and antelope
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  Speaker 2: in Wyoming. So just need to light those things on
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  Speaker 2: fire at some point.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in the debacle at least here in Montana,
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  Speaker 2: with plenty of points to draw some pretty awesome tags.
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  Speaker 2: But I kind of want to just keep accumulating too.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the odds are only going to get worse.
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  Speaker 2: Try I continue to try for some of the hard tags. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, man, at some point, do I just burn it?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we a couple of months from now, we
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  Speaker 2: could be sitting in this very room. We could be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: talking about how sweet our tags are.
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  Speaker 8: Ye.
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  Speaker 2: I did get out, I guess two weeks ago with
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  Speaker 2: Cal for a very last minute uh waterfowl excursions. So
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  Speaker 2: I've just been eating ducks, a lot of ducks, and
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  Speaker 2: I just there's a recipe in the Wild Whole Cookbook
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  Speaker 2: where you just see them real quick and there's like
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  Speaker 2: an orange squeeze some oranges, throw some bourbon in the
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  Speaker 2: pan and drizzle that over.
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  Speaker 6: And you weren't there for the little uh waterfowl extra
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  Speaker 6: extravaganza we did the other day.
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  Speaker 2: No, but I got the leftover ducks. Yeah, there are
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  Speaker 2: a couple.
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  Speaker 6: You got the leftover good ducks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a couple of pintails. I think there
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  Speaker 2: was a baggy full of breasts and thighs in the
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  Speaker 2: in the fridge and I grabbed it on a Friday afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: We those ducks too, So.
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  Speaker 4: People should keep an eye out for the next one.
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  Speaker 6: Man, it's gonna next little Steve experiment we eat mergansers.
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  Speaker 3: Did he break out the lab coat again?
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  Speaker 2: No lab coat? His his? Uh, scientific method is better
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  Speaker 2: than it was in the Rabbi in the Sky. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: taste testing, because we've received a lot of feedback about
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  Speaker 2: the gross failures of our There wasn't.
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  Speaker 4: Much science involved in this one. It was just like
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  Speaker 4: just seeing what they taste.
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  Speaker 2: Like, taste well. With nothing to add to that, Corey
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  Speaker 2: other than you're broke. Oh Phil, huh And that's a
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  Speaker 2: great idea. Phil. How have you been?
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  Speaker 8: Oh fine, I wasn't expecting this, randle on a little
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  Speaker 8: cut off guard here, But yeah, I've been doing well.
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  Speaker 8: Nothing really new to report. I've got a pre vasectomy
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  Speaker 8: appointment today and I was gonna ask Mark about I
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  Speaker 8: think Mark's been public.
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  Speaker 2: I can see him. I can see him cringing in
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  Speaker 2: the little box below main feat.
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  Speaker 8: So maybe maybe we can talk about that with our
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  Speaker 8: new director of conservation.
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  Speaker 2: Let me I you said you didn't have much going on.
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  Speaker 2: You got it all going on. It's it's all happening fun.
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  Speaker 2: I just made a note here Phil's vasectomy.
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  Speaker 6: You know, Phil, I had some buddies that they I
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  Speaker 6: think this was a I don't know if it's still
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  Speaker 6: a thing, but it was a thing where dudes would
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  Speaker 6: like schedule their vasectomies like a circle of friends, like
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  Speaker 6: all at the same time, and then they had to
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  Speaker 6: have like a little post vasectomy, you know, gathering celebration.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I'll do it, Randall, Yeah, sure, sweet,
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  Speaker 8: let's do it. Yeah, find an excuse to throw a party.
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  Speaker 2: We can get some good time in on the switches.
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  Speaker 8: That's gonna happen regardless.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well on that note. Joining us first today
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  Speaker 2: our Zach Lynch and Chris Allen, the founders of a
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  Speaker 2: new advocacy group, Protect Wyoming Pack. Zach, Chris, Welcome to
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  Speaker 2: the show.
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  Speaker 9: Thanks guys, thanks for proving us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Now, before we get into the details
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  Speaker 2: of your new group, can you just introduce ourselves, introduce
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  Speaker 2: yourselves to the audience, and just tell us where you're
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  Speaker 2: coming from and what you guys do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my name is Zach Lanch. I live in Cody.
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  Speaker 1: I work as a mountain guide. I own a guiding business,
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  Speaker 1: and I grew up in Wyoming. I did it fish
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  Speaker 1: for as long as I could remember. And just at
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  Speaker 1: a point of a clarification, we're not an advocacy group.
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  Speaker 1: We are a political action committee. We're doing very different things.
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  Speaker 1: We're getting involved in elections and educating voters. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I got really inspired to get involved in Wyoming state
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  Speaker 1: politics last year when we had a lot of anti
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  Speaker 1: public lands and anti public wildlife legislation introduced in session.
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  Speaker 1: And Protect Wyoming is the result of that and that
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  Speaker 1: desire to get involved.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And how did you you connect with Chris here?
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  Speaker 1: So we I think we're both coming from a place
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  Speaker 1: of you know, not being involved in politics ever before
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  Speaker 1: in our in our lives and talking to other hunters
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  Speaker 1: and outdoors people in Wyoming that knew more about the
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  Speaker 1: political process than than we did, and we were able
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  Speaker 1: to connect through mutual.
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  Speaker 2: Friends, gotcha and Chris, you're coming to us from further
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  Speaker 2: east than.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm on the kind of the north central part
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  Speaker 9: of the state and Claremont, Wyoming just about an hour
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  Speaker 9: or so south of the Montana border, So a little
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  Speaker 9: different landscape than Zachson. More prairie country, ranch country out here,
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  Speaker 9: and Zach and I just hold similar similar values on
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  Speaker 9: public lane and public wildlife.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so can you You mentioned, Zach, you mentioned that
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  Speaker 2: this is a political action committee Protect Wyoming Pack, and
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned sort of that last year's legislative session was
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  Speaker 2: influential and you guys getting this thing off the ground.
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  Speaker 2: Can you tell us a little bit about how you
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  Speaker 2: came to decide on being a pack rather than a
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  Speaker 2: you know, a five o'h one C three And can
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  Speaker 2: you tell us like what are your core issues?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Great questions. You know, answer your first why a pack
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  Speaker 1: as opposed to another advocacy organization? Well, there are a
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  Speaker 1: lot of great advocacy organizations for public lands and wildlife
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  Speaker 1: in Wyoming, and I think it was eye opening last
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  Speaker 1: year to see how a lot of the advocacy seemed
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  Speaker 1: to fall flat with annumber of legislators. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: went to public town halls where you know, co sponsors
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  Speaker 1: of for instance, Senate Resolution to which would have transferred
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  Speaker 1: to all federal public lands to the state and Wyoming
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  Speaker 1: with the intent of selling them off. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: public was up in arms about this, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I remember clearly in Cody one town hall where one
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  Speaker 1: of the co sponsors of that bill said he didn't
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  Speaker 1: care that he was going to introduce the legislation again
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  Speaker 1: if he had the opportunity, and he didn't care what
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  Speaker 1: the constituents thought. And so it was in that moment
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  Speaker 1: really that my eyes opened that we need to get
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  Speaker 1: involved in the on the election side of things if
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  Speaker 1: our legislators aren't going to represent our interests when we
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  Speaker 1: when we talked to them. So Political ash and Committee
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  Speaker 1: is really an organization that's meant to inform voting public.
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  Speaker 1: So it's coming from us Wyoming Knights, no special interests,
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  Speaker 1: just you know, outdoors people that want to protect their
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  Speaker 1: public lands. And we want to talk to voters before
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  Speaker 1: the election to say, hey, this is what this person
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  Speaker 1: has voted for in the past, this is what they
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  Speaker 1: say that their stance on this issue is, and we
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  Speaker 1: think you should know that before you go to the
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  Speaker 1: ballot box.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because a lot of your traditional you know, five
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  Speaker 2: H one C three groups, they can talk about what
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  Speaker 2: issues are important in an election, and they can ask
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  Speaker 2: you to sort of vote on behalf of conservation, but
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  Speaker 2: they can't get involved in saying this candidate did this,
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  Speaker 2: this candidate is is a better choice if you care
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  Speaker 2: about public lands. That's correct, right, correct?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And we're not, just to clarify, we're not coordinating
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  Speaker 1: with any party or you know, any candidate or their campaign,
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  Speaker 1: which is really important for us. You know, we're nonpartisan,
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  Speaker 1: and we just want people to be aware of our
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  Speaker 1: core issues, which are one, public lands in public hands,
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  Speaker 1: no questions about that. To public wildlife. We're really opposed
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  Speaker 1: to transferable landowner tags or any privatization of wildlife in Wyoming,
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  Speaker 1: and three scientific management of wildlife. Politicians should not be
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  Speaker 1: in charge of wildlife populations. Biologists should be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about the landowner
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  Speaker 2: tag issue. I know there is a proposal or there
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  Speaker 2: is a proposal. I haven't really kept up on it,
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  Speaker 2: but this is an issue that pops up every now
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  Speaker 2: and then in different states, and I wonder if you
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  Speaker 2: can talk about what the status is in Wyoming.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the first attempt was about ten years ago to
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  Speaker 1: make landowner tags transferable, so as it is in Wyoming. Now,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you're a landowner, you have more than
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty acres and you can, you know,
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  Speaker 1: prove that you have a lot of wildlife on your land,
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  Speaker 1: then you can get a few an appropriate amount of
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  Speaker 1: landowner tags, but you cannot sell those to anyone. There
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  Speaker 1: are a lot of opportunities for landowners to make money
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  Speaker 1: from hunting indirectly, namely trespassed leases, you know, and they
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  Speaker 1: can control access for hunters, and they can get damage
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  Speaker 1: from wildlife hurt in their crops. But again, no tag
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  Speaker 1: is transferable. But we've seen legislation ten years ago and
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  Speaker 1: then more recently this last year, that would allow landowners
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  Speaker 1: to sell those tags off.
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  Speaker 6: Can I jump in and ask you a question totally
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  Speaker 6: those landowner tags. Would they be good only on that
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  Speaker 6: landowner's land? Are they good like unit wide like they utilize.
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  Speaker 6: Someone could buy them and then go hunt on public
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  Speaker 6: land or wherever with them.
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  Speaker 1: It's for the area. Now you know, the State of
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  Speaker 1: Winman Gave and Fish Department has issued tags for specific
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  Speaker 1: properties essentially where there's like an let's say, an alfalfa
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  Speaker 1: field in the middle of the big worn basin and
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  Speaker 1: there's you know, four hundred head of you know, pronghorn there.
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  Speaker 1: They've issued special tags for damage mitigation, but generally this
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  Speaker 1: is not to do with damage. This is people being
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  Speaker 1: able to sell ELK licenses for ten thousand dollars or
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  Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars whatever, And it completely circumvents the draw system.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't put money in the state system at all.
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  Speaker 1: It just you know, lines the pockets of large landowners
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  Speaker 1: who want to sell off all their tags. And we've
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  Speaker 1: already seen so much landowner captures. For instance, I hunted
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  Speaker 1: a pronghorn area in northern Wyoming this fall in all
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  Speaker 1: because we've had a lot of issues with blue tongue.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we superduce pronghorn numbers, all the type one
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  Speaker 1: tags in that all the rifle tags in that area
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  Speaker 1: are our go to landowners. Already, I had to get
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  Speaker 1: a Hype zero muzzleoader tag in order to have a
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  Speaker 1: chance to hunt a male prong horn.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so when the tag numbers get shrunk, that that
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  Speaker 2: pool of landowner tags doesn't shrink in proportion. It just
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  Speaker 2: eats up more of the pie.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, gotcha, But I mean there's already you know that
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  Speaker 1: landowner capture of tags is another issue in the current system,
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  Speaker 1: which is not perfect. But what we're taking a political
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  Speaker 1: stance on is that these tags should not be transferable.
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  Speaker 1: And we think it goes across against state law which
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  Speaker 1: says that wildlife is in the position of the people
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  Speaker 1: of Wyoming, not individual property.
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  Speaker 9: It is actually a Title twenty three and in law
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  Speaker 9: in Wyoming right now that says there shouldn't be private
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  Speaker 9: ownership of wildlife. So in essence, that's already in law.
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  Speaker 9: I just think there's things happening on the state level
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  Speaker 9: that there's a certain subgroup of people that want to
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  Speaker 9: privatize it for for profit.
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  Speaker 2: So gotcha. And this is a this is a pack
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  Speaker 2: that you said it's non partisan, it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: grassroots funded. There's obviously a lot of money in politics.
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  Speaker 2: What's your strategy for making an impact with with grassroots
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  Speaker 2: funding and what I assume would be maybe more limited
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  Speaker 2: resources than some of the bigger stakeholders out there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we have to be really strategic in
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  Speaker 1: how we spend money that we raise, So we don't
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  Speaker 1: know which candidates are running until the May filing deadline.
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  Speaker 1: So well, at that point, you know, see what kind
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  Speaker 1: of war chests we have and see what races we
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  Speaker 1: can really make an impact in. But generally state wide
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  Speaker 1: races aren't as expensive as federal ones, and so with
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  Speaker 1: grassroots funding, we can still make a sizable impact and
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  Speaker 1: focus on key legislative races and hopefully raise enough money
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  Speaker 1: to get involved in the governor's race, because the governor
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  Speaker 1: is going to be it's gonna be a very competitive
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  Speaker 1: race this year, we believe. Again we don't know who
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  Speaker 1: all is running, but the governor has a lot to
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  Speaker 1: say about, you know, public lands and wildlife policy and Wyoming.
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  Speaker 2: Gotcha, And I'm gonna detour here from the questions that
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  Speaker 2: I'd shared with you and ask you this. You both
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  Speaker 2: mentioned that this is your first sort of foray into politics.
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  Speaker 2: If there are people listening to this that don't like
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  Speaker 2: what's going on in their state, they're frustrated by what
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  Speaker 2: they see in their state legislature, have you learned anything
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  Speaker 2: or have your eyes been open to the reality of
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  Speaker 2: getting involved in something like this, Like what advice would
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  Speaker 2: you give for people that are in the position that
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  Speaker 2: you were, you know, last last legislative session.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's eye opening to see the disconnect between
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  Speaker 1: what I, you know, would argue like most people value
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  Speaker 1: in Wyoming, Like regardless where you are on the political spectrum,
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  Speaker 1: most people highly value.
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  Speaker 2: Public lands, in public wildlife.
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  Speaker 1: And to see now you know, paying closer attention to
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  Speaker 1: what's happened in the legislature is there's so few sportsmen
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  Speaker 1: in the legislature right, so few people hunt, fish, rock
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  Speaker 1: climb whatever, you know. They they do not value those
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  Speaker 1: activities because they do not do them. I and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of those people are not even from this state.
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  Speaker 1: They've moved here recently and have political ambitions, and so
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  Speaker 1: that's been really eye opening to me. You just see
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  Speaker 1: like how we're not being represented well in Cheyenne by
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  Speaker 1: and large. And I would encourage people to get involved
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  Speaker 1: in any way, right, whether that's simply showing up to
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  Speaker 1: town hall, talking to your representatives first and foremost, learning
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  Speaker 1: who your representatives are. A lot of people when they
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  Speaker 1: think about politics, they think about politics at the federal
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  Speaker 1: level or maybe the governor's race, but they're not thinking
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  Speaker 1: about their local representatives. And those folks in Cheyenne or
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  Speaker 1: Helena or whatever often have a greater impact on your
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  Speaker 1: ability to hunt, fish and re create than than you know,
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  Speaker 1: the President of the United States does. So educate yourself
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  Speaker 1: about what's going on at the state level, at the
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  Speaker 1: local level, and then see, you know, we all have
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  Speaker 1: we're working people, so we we have limited time and resources,
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  Speaker 1: and see where you know, you can make an impact.
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  Speaker 1: And we would argue that you know, supporting you know
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  Speaker 1: a pack is has a direct impact because we could
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  Speaker 1: get involved in election and we can show you where
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  Speaker 1: we're spending your money and you know, hopefully elect people
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  Speaker 1: who are going to stand up for our land.
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  Speaker 9: Warned life, gotcha, Well yeah, Randall, I'd probably piggyback off
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  Speaker 9: Zach there just real quick. On the website front, we
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  Speaker 9: got a great website, but it's a I think we
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  Speaker 9: need to I think it's easy to get to the
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  Speaker 9: ballot box and see those big names and pick the
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  Speaker 9: big name the big names on the ballot, but I
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  Speaker 9: think it's some of these local races have kind of
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: been put on the back burner because you don't know
• 19:29
  Speaker 9: who it is or what they're about. So with our
• 19:32
  Speaker 9: pack and our website, we really want to showcase who
• 19:36
  Speaker 9: you know, who supports and who opposes public plans.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: So yeah, education is huge. You mentioned the website. Is
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: that the best place for people to go if they
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: want to learn more about protect Wyoming Pack?
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: I would say yes, And then we do have a
• 19:53
  Speaker 9: newsletter coming out that people if they want to connect
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: with us, they can connect to the website and then
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: get linked up with the newsletter about what's going on
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: and just stay factionable on what's what's happening with the legislator.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Well, Chris Zach, we really appreciate it you guys joining us,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: and we appreciate what you're doing for for hunters and
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: anglers in Wyoming and setting up an example for folks
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: across the country who want to get involved. Thank you,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Yep, we got to get
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: some more, uh. I mean I'm always like inspired when
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I see people just deciding to do something.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Go out and try and kick some ass.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah whatever, you know, whatever your commitments are here there,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: like to actually get off your ass and do something.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: So that's that's commendable. I hope that they see some
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: success there. Yep. Our next segment is fake News, the
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: News at Tape and rush Shop.
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: He talk tape balloon.
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: Don't get to lay about Steve.
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: It's the best shot than down this. So is that
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: so this opportunity come wants that for a few weeks.
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: You can do anything you set your minds to. Guys,
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: except like.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: My two boys would be deeply upset by what you
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: just did to that song.
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: That is that one of the favorites in the house
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: right now.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: It is It is amazing, what a what a cultural
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: touch point that is. I mean Clay Newcombe knows the
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: words to that.
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, my oldest went through a went through a
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: phase with that song a couple of years ago.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: To Clay Nucombe was reciting the words to that on
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: the live tour before his al hooting contest. Yeah, I mean, mom,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: spaghetti and everything.
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: I'd say, I'd say in the grand scheme of the
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: hip hop landscape, that is like pretty clean for for
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: Clay's Newcombe scale.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: So I can drop my chair a little bit now
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: you're centered, alrighty, Well, you know the rules here, Uh,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: let me bring them up again so that I can
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: read them to you. Fake news is where I read
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: a series of headlines in which a real one is
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: hiding among three impostors. Your job is to fix your
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: figure out which one is true.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: So this is two lies in one truth, not two
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: truths in one line.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: This is a multiple choice.
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: Got three lies?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll start. We'll go one at a time, one
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: headline at a time. Here, So Phil, can you bring
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: up the first headline? I'd love to A three legged
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: blank has learned to hunt in a completely unexpected way?
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Is it a grizzly bear, a wolf, a lion, or
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: a man in Tennessee? Well, now there's three legged bears,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: wolves and lions all over them. But have they learned
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: to hunt a completely unexpected way?
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: Before we answer this?
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Five years ago? Was it five? I shot a three
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: legged black bear in Colorado?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: That was huge. I almost did two years ago, and
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: then her little cub came out. But I like shanks,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: so I wasn't gonna impact.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: That's gonna impact my man.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: A three legged blank has learned to hunt in a
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: completely unexpected way. Now, the conceit of this game is
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: that unless you've seen this newspaper article, there's no way
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: to make any sort of an educated guess here.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: True, I could see it.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Multiple three legged folks coming in from Tennessee. I'm gonna Okay, okay,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: gotta really hammer down here. Let's go what kind of lion?
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: African lion?
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Mufassa?
• 23:36
  Speaker 8: See you deliberately disobeyed me.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Well, we've got our answers. Yep, Brody says, see lion,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Cory says, be wolf. Let's go. We've got a correct
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: answer the room. The answer is see lion. Oh, come on.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Per New scientist Jacob, an eleven year old lion and
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth National Park Uganda, made headlines last year when
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: he and his brother were filmed swimming one point five
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: kilometers across the crocodile filled river. The animal lost a
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: leg in a poacher's snare, but has managed to adopt
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: an ambush style hunting strategy resembling that of leopards. Researchers
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: who were puzzled by Jacob's continued survival made the discovery
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: via drone footage.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Did he lose a back leg or a front leg?
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Phil pull up that picture?
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Ye, because that really impacts things back left?
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I could see it, Yeah, I could see it working.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was kind of interesting. They're saying
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: that they don't see too many examples of animals adopting
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: completely new strategies like that their species doesn't otherwise demonstrate,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: and so you know, it's it raises questions for them
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: in terms of like behavioral adaptation.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the black bear I shot had lost his front
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: left leg.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: And that line's also missing an eye. I tried to
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: work that in, but then I just figured.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I'd add that man cat's a wicked smot.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Phil, can we have our second headline? So
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Brody's up one nothing geez. Generations of bearded vultures stashed
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: humans treasures, including a six hundred and fifty year old
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: blank in these bird nests? Is it a sandal?
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: Are they collecting these things from corpses?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Actually, that's an unanswerable question. Generations of
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: bearded vultures stashed humans treasures, including a six hundred and
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: fifty year old blank in these birds nest? Your choices
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: are Is it a sandal, is.
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: It an urn?
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Is it a pipe? Or is it a knife? Do
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: you guys ever come across a vulture nest? I came
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: across one. I think it was an Illinois and it
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: was like on the side of a cliff.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I could hear like a light screeching caught my attention.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: And so I looked in and there was a just
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: bones and hair and poop everywhere, and there was one
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: little small baby vulture in there, like bouncing up and down.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: It didn't look real. Bones and hair and poop everywhere.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Sounds like the mudroom when I leave my dogs there
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: for a long day.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Did you put your answer down yet, Corey? No, I
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: know what I want to put down, but I can't.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Six and fifty year old sandal.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be an old sandal, but it also
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: be an old urn. It's not really a treasure. No ooh,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: flip him over, boys, yet, Brody's still thinking. He's still
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: thinking based on all of the available information, not trivia, Brody,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: what's your answer here?
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: My answer is a pipe?
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: A pipe, and Corey says, d a knife, where the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: correct answer is a sandal.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: That's treasure.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Per Smithsonian Magazine, Archaeologists in Southern Spain recently recovered more
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: than two hundred human artifacts from historical bearded vulture nests
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: in Southern Spain. I rewrote that sentence and didn't delete
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Southern Spain, so that's where that's there's a redundancy. One
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: of the most remarkable finds is a six hundred and
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: fifty year old sandal made from woven twigs and grasses,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: according to study published last month in the journal Ecology.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: This is where it gets interesting. Bearded vultures have been
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: extinct in southern Spain for seventy to one hundred and
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: thirty years, depending on the specific region. But while the
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: birds have disappeared from the area, their well preserved nests
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: can still be found there, often tucked into protected hidden
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: spaces in the mountains.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: I think it came off of corpse.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: That would be fun. That would be fun, Phil. Can
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: we get a third headline? Please? Oh?
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: We sure can.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Bolivian river dolphins sometimes dangle blank in their mouths and
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: scientists don't know why? Is it their offspring Ana conda's
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: tree branches or discarded rope?
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: This is a global fake news segment.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bolivian river dolphins sometimes dangle blank in their mouths
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: and scientists don't know why? Is it their offspring ana condas,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: tree branches or discarded rope?
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I can easily get rid of two of those, So.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Pretty fly for a white guy. Yeah. I was gonna
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: say this background tense fill, the most violent, the most
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: violent mosh pit. I ever participated in? Was it an
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: offspring show? We had big pizzas that they're given out
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: for free, and you'd throw them on the ground and
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: it was like a big banana peel. So you just
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: push like five people into it and it all flip.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Did you from that whole thing bloodied?
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: No, I was unscathed, but there were many good men
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: we lost that day. You got an answer, Corey, Yeah,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: you know it.
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: Do you know what the lead singer, Dexter Gordon I
• 29:11
  Speaker 8: think is his name Dexter something he's got like a
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: doctritt in chemistry or something like that. Wow, he's an
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: educated man.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: The name like that. Yeah, you bet that's the best
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: thing we have on this show today. Corey's got an answer.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Cory says, hey, their offspring. Brodie says d discarded rope.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: The correct answers an a Conda's Oh come on, this
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: is yeah. I know it's hard to guess these when
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: you don't have any information.
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: It's almost like it's a flawed game.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: This one comes from a question. Well, I think that's
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: what's fun about it.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: It is fun.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: We're basically just rolling rolling a die and seeing it
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: comes up with. So this one comes from uh ZME Science,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: and I'm just going to read a few sentences from
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: their article because it's written in a very funny way.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Imagine the excitement of biologists from the nol Kemp Mercado
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Museum of Natural History during one seemingly uneventful day in
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: August twenty twenty one.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Really building it up.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: That day, they saw not one but two Bolivian river
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: dolphins with their heads above the river. But that was
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: really nothing compared to what they noticed next. Taking out
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: their cameras to snap some quick photos of this extraordinarily
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: rare sighting, the researchers could now see that the two
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: dolphins were holding an anaconda in their beaks, handling it
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: like it was a plush toy. This was absolutely shocking
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to members of the teams. It's safe to say something
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: like this had never been witnessed, or at least this
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: is the first time it was documented. Bolivian's benny anaconda's
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: are apex predators, meaning no one messes with them. Apart
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: from a single case of cannibalism, no one had ever
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: seen Bolivian anaconda's getting killed or eaten by any other
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: wild animal. Uh happened once.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: How did they know that they killed it? They could
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: have just flound it floating dead.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: It was alive when they started. Well, they said they
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: they said they messed with it for like six to
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: eight minutes, picking it up out of the water and
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: then diving down holding it in their beaks, and they
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: just were like their assumption is that they were playing
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: with it, but that it ended up well.
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: Playing with stuff is like well documented behavior from dolphins.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: Like I've seen dolphins mess with redfish and throw them
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: back and forth. I've seen them kill tarpin just for
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: fun and then leave them.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: But this behind an apex predator, meaning no one messes
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: with them in their ecosystem.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Well, Brody squeezed the fun out of that question by
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: a score of one to nothing.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Don't find it that remarkable, Randall.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Congratulations Brody. Let's see Phil. How's the Chat doing today.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: It's been a scintillating program so far.
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: It sure has the chat at questions from the Chat today,
• 32:01
  Speaker 8: So get those in your chances.
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: Are because if they're not questions, that means there's comments
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: looking scary numbers.
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: Oh no, most most people are still talking about phills
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: with a sector my vasectomy. They're asking Randall about beating
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: off a mountain lion, which, if you haven't listened to
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: last episode of the media podcast, check that out. But
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: I want to shut that shout out Brad Weber, who says, Hey,
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: thanks to you and the team or for the shout
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: out to our bunny hunting group last week. It brought
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: us great luck, thirty rabbits and a bonus raccoon day
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: enjoying host.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I wish we got more of that. I wish we
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: got like, hey, we're going to this good luck and
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: then a follow up. Yeah, that's great. Then we'd have
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: a better sense of our ability to confer luck on
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: the audience.
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: We could just pivot the idea of the show completely.
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: It could just kind of be like a.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Phil I've been rethinking the whole thing well from the
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: ground up.
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: We'll see how that pans out. Uh, Free Crank asks Brody,
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: did you see the Pennsylvania Game Commission wants to change
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: hunting season in Pa again. They want to possibly move
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: the opening day of Rifle to the week before Thanksgiving.
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: You know, my dad just sent that to me this
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: very morning, and uh, I think it will be like
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: if they made that change, I think it would be
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: very unpopular to like have Thanksgiving in the middle.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Of deer season.
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: They changed they They recently changed opening day of rifle
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: season from the Monday after Thanksgiving to the Saturday after Thanksgiving,
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: which you would think would have been a popular move,
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: but a lot of people hated it. So I think
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: backing it up a week and sticking a national holiday
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: in the middle of deer season would be unpopular.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: That's my thoughts.
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: Thank you, Brody. Yeah, we had a comment from Valancourt
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: that was quickly followed up from by somebody else. He says,
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: any hot tips or advice on the best way to
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: prepare marmot and then I don't remember who, someone said
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: watch out for the plague, because apparently that's a real thing. Yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not endorsing this practice, but I would have to
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: guess some sort of a slow cook listen fall off
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: the bone marmot clubs.
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: The traditional way is to uh and we're gonna you know,
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: we're gonna try this for the last cookbook we did,
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: the Outdoor Cookbook. There are cultures that just like cook
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: them inside their like with the hair on and everything.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, try that.
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: But I shot a couple of Mormon marmots that did
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: not shoot a couple Mormons, I promise. I shot a
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: couple of marmots years ago in Colorado, and they were
• 34:25
  Speaker 6: the hardest thing to skin I have ever tried to skin,
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: like covered in greasy fat, like you know how squirrels
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: are hard to skin, hard to get that hide off.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: And I will never eat another marmot again.
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: But good luck to you if you tried dipping it,
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: just like put it in a crock pot for about
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: thirty six hours.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: And maybe with like a buffalo wing preparation.
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: Lots of barbecue shells.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Please keep us updated. Valancourt.
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah, we got Christy Holmes and the chat saying me
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: and thirty six ladies are going smelting tomorrow and Maine.
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: She was on one minute fishing last winter.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: We's us lucky. Yeah, good luck, oh fried smelt. That's
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: a lot of good.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: That's a lot of ladies. I assume that's not a typo.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Me and thirty I don't think I've ever done anything.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: It's a real social thing.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Like thirty six people.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: Brodie, Well, we should go there and go smelting with
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: these things.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Best of luck to you, Christy, Please keep us updated.
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Mogor is in the chat, Hi Randall, will there
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: be a movie review segment in the future, Chin scratching emoji.
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: It's been a very long time since the last one.
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: Thank you for your answer, Mogor.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: I would love to do another movie review segment, to
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: be honest, our schedule has been a bit.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: There's been a lot of uncertainty around who's handling what
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: around the holiday, and we've had a sort of quickly
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: you know, long story short, we're a little behind eight pall,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: But I will get a movie review going here soon
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: and it's gonna it's gonna blow everything else that I've
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: done previously out of the water.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Allowed the chat to choose the movie you.
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: Review, Uh get a lot of record.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: I have a question for the chat, would uh do
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: you think Congo? The movie Congo is a good meat
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: eater movie club movie. It's not really hunting, but they're
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: animals and some of them do die most actually, if
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: you haven't seen the movie, they all die at the end.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Let us know.
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: Well, we wait for those results to file in. We've
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: got a question from Seth anyone else Mixed organ meets
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: with their ground. I was contemplating doing a one to
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: ten ratio adding some livery to my burger meat. Would
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: that be a mistake?
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: No, I mean I've never done it, but it sounds
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: like something that in countries where they make a lot
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: of interesting sausages. It sounds like something.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Then sure, I don't see why it wouldn't work. I've
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: thrown like cart and with my burger grind before.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, good way to save and utilize the liver.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Eat that herd on its own though, would be mine. Yeah,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: that's so good, but the liver, Yeah, toss it in there.
• 37:12
  Speaker 8: Cool, do one more before you too. Wait, next guest,
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: this is from Blaine. I've been looking for Teddy Roosevelt
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: documentary to read. I think he means biography, but there
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: are so many to choose from. You guys, have any
• 37:23
  Speaker 8: advice on the best one, rand.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: I think the the the new classic is uh, Douglas
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Brinkley Wilderness Warrior. There's another one, Theodore Rex.
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: That's that's like toom that's like a wilderness Warrior is
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: like a brick man. Yeah, I think while Randall's thinking
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: about an actual biography, if you want something a little lighter,
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: that's like a real fun read and it has a
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: lot of adventure and craziness in it.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Read River of Doubt. Oh yeah, Canvas it's a very cool.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: It's like post Teddy's Presidency where he's like bumming because
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: he's getting old and he wants to do one last
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: adventure and he goes to look for the source of
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: a river.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: In the Amazon.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: It's super cool. Yeah, Edmund Morris, Theodore Rex. And then
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I'm sure, what's the name of the guy that writes
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: biographies of everybody?
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: I know exactly who you're talking about.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: I can't think of his name. Yeah, there's a lot
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: out there. I think. Then Brinkley the Wilderness Warrior really
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: focuses on his conservation legacy. And if that's what gets
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: you interested, I checked that one out.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, is everyone called the Rough Riders?
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Am I just making that up? I'm sure there's a
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: book called The Rough Riders. Google's failing me, Randal.
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: There's no way you have not seen this movie based
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: on the director in the cast. But someone suggested the
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: Legacy of a White Tail Deer Hunter, which is a
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: Jody Hill movie.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: You know what, I really wanted to do that, and
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: I thought it would be fun to get if it's
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: the one I'm thinking of, it's it's a movie about
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Is this the one about the guy who has the
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: TV show?
• 39:13
  Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, yeah, Josh Brolin's in it, Carrie Coon.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I thought Dan mcrid I thought it would be really
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: funny to do that with Steve and Giannis and like
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: ask them about oh, sure, you know the the overlap.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: But they both summarily rejected that out of hand because
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: it's one of those things they're too close to it
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: to even enjoy it.
• 39:33
  Speaker 8: So that's that's the that's the whole point.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be in a room with Steve
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: getting grouchy again already.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, you should do that Buffalo Hunter Nicholas
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: Cage movie.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Steve was.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: Kind we should do that one tangentially and like just
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: like yeah, kind of a little bit at one involved
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: with the name of that one.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Let's do that. Let's do that one.
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: I forget what it's called, but I've been meaning like, yeah,
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: I mean, and check it out. Butcher's crossing, Yeah.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Butcher's crossing. Well, I think we've got a I
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: think we've got through our question and answer segment here
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: because Mark Kenyon has been waiting very patiently on the line.
• 40:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah. I told him he could leave and come back later.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: And now, oh, I'm looking at our schedule. We're way behind.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know how we did that because we only
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: had two segments.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Oh listen, we always.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Go not again. Next up, we're joined by Mark Kenyon,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: who recently became Meat Eaters Director of Conservation. Mark, it's
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: good to see you. Welcome to the show.
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: Thanks, Randall. It's great to be here.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: It was more painful than anything having to sit here
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: and hear you guys talk about book recommendations and not
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: be able to speak.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, please chime in. Do you have a do you
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: have a favorite tr biography?
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: Well, like Brody said, the iconic one is The Wilderness Warrior,
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: but it is a huge, you know, doorstop of a book.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: A couple lighter reading versions. It'll get you some interesting
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: insight with some adventure along the way. Would be Leave
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: It as it Is by David Gesner. That's an interesting
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: one that pairs a travel narrative with kind of an
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: exploration of Roosevelt and kind of wrestling with his legacy.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: And then another one is The Naturalist, and that takes
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: a look at Roosevelt's conservation legacy, and from a slightly
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: more I mean, as the title would suggest, not as
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: much on the hunting side, but a little bit more
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: about his background as an amateur naturalist, burder all those
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: different things early on in his life, and then how
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: that kind of came along with him. So those are
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: two easier reading options to consider.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Clearly we should have just pulled you in earlier in
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: this discussion, but I'm glad that I'm glad that our
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: faithful listeners have finally gotten you to weigh in on
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: that mark. If folks are paying attention to the news lately,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: they know that you are the newest Meat Eater director
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: of concert. You inherit your your position from a worthy
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: man in Ryan Callahan, who's moved on to become the
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: CEO at BHA. Can you tell us what it means
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: to be the director of conservation at a company like
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Meat Eater.
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: It's it's a huge honor.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: It's something that I'm just really really thankful to get
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: to do. It's the kind of warp that I've been
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: dreaming of and working towards for a really long time.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: I think most people Immediator know me from what brought
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: me in, which was my whitetail passion and of course
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: wired to hunt and all those things. But parallel to
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: all that, I've had this growing desire to find ways
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: that I can make a difference on the conservation side,
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: and so that's led me to tackle all sorts of
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: side hustle projects like writing my books about public lands
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: and wildlife, and you know, doing increasingly new things within
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: the mediator world, whether that's you know, founding the Working
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: for Wildlife tour or representing us with the Theodore Roosevelt
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: Conservation Partnership at events, and all sorts of different things.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: So it's been a long time coming. It worked out
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: really great that, you know, Cal was moving on to
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: even bigger and better things, and me and him had
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: worked together on so much over the last few years
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: that this is a pretty natural thing to step into.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: And I'm just really excited because I'm on fire about it,
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: and there's a great need at the moment too, So
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: I'm excited to continue to build off this great conservation
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: you know foundation that Cal and Steve and and really
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: the whole team is built over the years.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: And what are the types of things like week to
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: maybe not day to day, but week to week sort
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: of what what is that role and compass in terms
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: of like who are you talking to, what are you doing,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: what are you working towards.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, there's a lot of different things that
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: it's going to entail. I think on one hand, there's
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: like the long term strategy, which is thinking about how
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: do we at Mediator strategically rally our resources and our
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: voice and our platform to work towards better conservation outcomes.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: So sometimes that's reacting to a bad piece of legislation.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: How do we educate everyone who's listening to us, how
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: do we inspire and activate people to do something about it.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: How do we use our you know, our funding or
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: our relationships or anything like that to move the needle.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: On the flip side, then it's thinking about how do
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: we think about conservation storytelling and the content we do
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: and thinking, you know, a long ways out where are
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: we needed on that front? And then kind of on
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: a day to day basis, it's making sure that you know,
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: we at Mediator are tapped into what's happening, whether it
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: be you know, on the wildlife management side of things,
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: or the public land side of things, or the million
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: different news bites that are popping up every day, understanding
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: what's happening, talking to our conservation partners, talking to contacts
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: you know, in Washington, d C. Or in state capitals,
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: and figuring out what are the issues that are impacting
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: hunters and anglers and wildlife and wild places and is
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: you know, any one of those things something that we
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: should be engaging in, whether that be just with you know,
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: us educating, or us doing some other things too.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: So that's a little bit of what's going to look like.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: We'll be doing more content, more news, more education, and
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: then I think what I'm really excited about is finding
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: ways to help not just us at the company, but
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: our entire community more actively engage. How do we actually
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: like get boots on the ground and do good things
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: for wildlife and wild places. How do we show up
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: in person to make sure that public lands stay in
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: public hands? How do how do we do these things
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: in really concrete ways. I think that's been a trademark
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: of Meta in many ways, and you know, whether it
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: be our content, storytelling, cookbooks. So how do we continue
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: to do that on the conservation front, maybe in bolder
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: ways than we ever have?
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I know everybody here is excited to have you
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: in that role because it's a great fit and looking
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: forward to seeing what you do there. But we brought
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: you on TOTO to talk about another bit of news
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: and another person who is nominated for a new job here.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: And it's sort of been flying under the radar, but
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: recently there's been some attention pointed to the administration's nomination
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: of Steve Pierce to direct the Bureau of Land Management,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: and there's a bit of controversy around it. Can you
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: tell us a little bit about this individual and maybe
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: what's at stake with the nomination, Like what does the
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: BLM director do and who's the guy that might have
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: that job.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'll give you a very short answer to
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: the first part of that, and then we can dive
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: in further if you want. But the Director of the
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: Bureau of Land Management oversees a massive swath of our
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: federal public lands. It's it's somewhere in the you know,
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: somewhere between two hundred and forty and two hundred and
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: fifty million acres of our public lands are managed by
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: this person. He gets to spearhead how resource management plans
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: are put into the ground and developed, So what actually
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: happens on this landscape. This person will oversee and approve
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: or rescind the rules that this organization makes really important
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: things that dictate, you know, how we manage these landscapes,
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: how we extract resources from them, how we utilize them
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: and allow others to utilize them, whether that's for extraction
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: or grazing, or recreation or conservation. This is the person
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: that you know, part of what the BLM has done
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: the past and other land managing agencies is they assess
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: the lands that they manage and they determine if those
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: are appropriate lands for disposal. Even that's something that does happen,
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: that's something that this person could do. So whoever sits
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: in this seat has wide authority over a big chunk
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: of ground that you know, hunters and anglers really care about.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, this is some of our very best pronghorn hunting,
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: mule deer hunting, elk hunting, sage, grouse habitat, all sorts
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: of grouse habitat. This is big, wide open, beautiful country
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: a lot of us hold dear. So, yeah, this is
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: a pretty important job. And there are some red flags
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: right now about Steve Pierce because of you know, not
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: just one thing.
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: He said.
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: I feel like, you know, it's easy these days, in
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: the era of cancel culture, if you say one thing
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: wrong right, it'd be pretty easy to get in big
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: trouble for just saying one thing wrong. Steve Pierce has
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: had a long legacy of saying many things that don't
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: come off too well when it comes to public lands.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: A lot of statements, a lot of letters, and actual
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: support of legislation in his previous jobs that do not
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: bode well for someone in this position. So he was
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: a congressman from he was a congressman twice from two
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: thousand and three to two thousand and nine I believe,
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: and eleven to nineteen in the state of New Mexico.
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: And over the course of that timeframe multiple instances where
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: he's spoken about how the federal government should own lands,
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: how federal public lands should be sold off, how the
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: land estate should be shrunk. He co authored a letter
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: to the Speaker of the House back in twenty twelve,
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: I think it was pushing for the sale of public lands.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: He co sponsored a bill that would sell public lands.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: He supported the Jason Chavez twenty seventeen bill that would
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: sell off three some million acres of public lands, and
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: just I could go on and on. There's so many
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: of these examples. So yeah, that is a little bit
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: concerning if somebody who has actively tried to sell off
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: our public lands or actively tried to shrink public lands,
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: if he's now in charge of them. So at the
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: high level, that's why this is raising some eyebrows.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean it seems very clear that it's
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: like a fox in the hen House situation potentially. How
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: have conservation groups reacted to this news. I believe he
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: was nominated at the end of last year and his
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: point or his confirmation here are still forthcoming. But what's
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: what's the word on the street right now from folks
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: that care about public lands and fish and wildlife.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it has been you know, as you would expect,
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: a lot of concern, a lot of people raising the
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: same points that I just did. The fox and the
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: Henhouse analogy is perfect.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: A group of.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: Eighty or so environmental and conservation organizations sent a letter
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: to the leaders of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: Committee just recently expressing, you know, serious concerns along the
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: lines of what I've just mentioned.
• 50:34
  Speaker 8: So, yeah, there's a lot of pushback.
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: Our good buddy cal He has been sounding the alarm
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: at bat Country Hunters and Anglers. I know he was
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: just in DC recently talking to folks about this as well. So, yeah,
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: I think the alarm is being wrong. I think there
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: is reason to you know, you want to give the
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: guy the benefit of the doubt if he gets the job,
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: but I would like him to do so if that's
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: going to happen, and with some commitments on the record
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: to not do and to not pursue some of the
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: ideas that he's voiced support.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: For in the past. Yeah, No, that makes total sense.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Do you know if there's if there's a confirmation hearing scheduled,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: and then you know, in the meantime, how can people
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: make a difference if they want to weigh in on this.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: So the hearing has not been announced yet, but it
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: seems like it's imminent. You know, everyone's talking about it
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: happening sometime soon. And I think what we can do
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: about it is is let our here.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: From everything I understand and from everyone I've talked to,
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: it's very very unlikely that his approval, his nomination will
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: not be approved. He's likely going to get the job.
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: So then the question is, well, are we wasting our
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: time raising a stink about it because he's going to
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: get the job no matter what, So why are we
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: why are we going to use those resources? And what
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: it seems that the play here seems to be that
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: in this nomination hearing, he has to stand up in
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: front of everyone and answer questions under oath about what
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: his plans are, what his views are, what the direction
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: of this is going to be, and he's going to
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: have to answer for his past statements and actions as well.
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: And so what we as hunters and anglers and people
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: who care about these places can do is we can
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: ask our senators, especially if they sit on the Energy
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: and Natural Resources Committee, who will get to be a
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: part of that. We can ask them to ask these
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: tough questions. We can explain to them why this matters
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: to us in whatever state you live in, and why
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: it's important that if Steve Pierce gets this job, in
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: this job interview that he's going to effectively be on,
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: he's got to answer for some of these stuff. So
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: BHA has done a really cool and easy thing that
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: for anyone wants to participate and they can If you
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: go to Backcountry Hunters and Angler's Instagram account, there's a
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: link to send in what you think your senators should
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: ask him during this job, and he gives you a
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: couple three four suggested questions, or you can ask your own.
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: But this is just how we would want to press him.
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: What we would like this guy to have to answer
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: to on the record and provide some explanation for so
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: things like you know, what will you do to ensure
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: public lands stay in public hands or aren't sold or transferred.
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: I would love for him to have to answer that
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: question on the record, and hopefully we can get some commitments,
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: some guarantees from him publicly that he won't pursue those things.
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: Same thing goes for many other questions related to how
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: you know the BLM will balance conservation.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: With resource extraction.
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of concerns there, so we probably can't
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: stop it, but we might be able to frame the
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: conversation around his role and his taking that role in
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: such a way that it can maybe at least put
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: some public pressure on him and keep him and keep
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: things from going as badly as maybe they could, and
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: may maybe he'll turn out great. Maybe the things he
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: said in the past. Uh, maybe feels differently now. I
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: hope so, but we should we should definitely ask him
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: to speak on that publicly and give us some assurances.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Mark. Really appreciate you taking the time. Folks can follow
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: you to learn more about this and many other issues.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: And yeah, we'll keep our eyes on mister Pierce. And yeah,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing what you do in the new roles.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on, appreciate it.
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: Hey, Phil, good luck with that vasectomy.
• 54:28
  Speaker 8: I had to have two of them.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's right.
• 54:31
  Speaker 8: I hope I have a better look than you. Mark.
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: Thank you. I think I think they'll make a difference.
• 54:34
  Speaker 8: You're there, fingers crossed for a pill.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Take care, Mark, We'll see. Thanks.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Mark.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: Seems like an opportunity for a malpractice suit.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's as rare as as you'd like
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: to think. All right, guys, again, we're geez, we're just
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: running behind time, but that's because we're having so much fun.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: And our next segment is meat poll.
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: Are you sure about that?
• 55:01
  Speaker 8: It's a meat Eat Radio Live fu.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Oh that's right. We're doing something brand new today. For
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: the very first time, we've lied to one of the
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: hosts in the studio about what we're doing. We're actually
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: gonna play do a segment called meat Theater. Brodie, I'm
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: passing out scripts now. I don't know if you saw
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: the last Meat Theater. I'll explain it in just one second.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: I get filled his script. There you go film.
• 55:39
  Speaker 8: Oh thanks, Randall, appreciate it all right, this is awesome.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: I heard rumors about this, but well, O. Meat theater
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: is where we take out Stunn. Sorry, I'll begin again.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Meat theater is where we take outstanding hunting literature and
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: feeded it artificial intelligence, asking the computer to generate a
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: short traumatic script to be perform live by untrained actors.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: For today's performance, we're revisiting another classic Ernest Hemingway story,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: the nineteen fifty two novella The Old Man in the Sea.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Director's note. I had to ask the AI to revise
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: its original script to include a speaking part for the fish,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: so we had three roles. Yes. Then I asked the
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: AI to make the fish use a lot of profanity.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: But then I thought better of it, and nasty AI
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: to replace those swear words with some tamer nineteen fifties alternatives,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: so that this would all be very realistic. I'm playing
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Santiago the fisherman.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: I really apologize to everyone for this.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: This is a fan favor. Brody, Corey, you're playing Mandolin,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: who's a small boy. So I'd like you to speak
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: in the highest voice you can. And Brody, you're playing
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: the fish. Isn't that exciting? Lucky, very exciting, Phil, take
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: it away.
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: I'll just bide my time until you get to me.
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  Speaker 8: The setting is Cuba, the nineteen fifties. Santiago is an
• 57:06
  Speaker 8: old fisherman. He has gone eighty four days without catching
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: a fish. Manelin, a local boy, helps him prepare his
• 57:14
  Speaker 8: fishing lines in the early dawn outside his small shack.
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  Speaker 7: That's you, Corey, eighty four days, Santiago. My father says,
• 57:25
  Speaker 7: I must fish in another boat. I know, but you
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: are still the best fisherman.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: You taught me everything. Your father is right. A boy
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: should be with a lucky boat.
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: Luck is a thing that comes in many forms.
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  Speaker 2: Tomorrow you will catch a fish. I can feel it.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Perhaps tomorrow I will go far out beyond all the others.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: I wish I could go with you, but you are
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: with another boat now. But bring me sardines for bait
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: in the morning, and we will speak of baseball.
• 57:57
  Speaker 7: Tamaggio's street continues.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Of course he is a great man, even with the
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: bone spur in his heel. He plays. Do you think
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: we are that great? Medoline?
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: I think you are.
• 58:10
  Speaker 8: How's that it's great? The next morning, before dawn, Santiago
• 58:17
  Speaker 8: went far out to sea alone.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not religious, but I will say ten our fathers,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: and ten hail Mary's. If I can catch a fish,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: I promise.
• 58:29
  Speaker 8: He feels a pull on the line.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: There something not yet.
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  Speaker 8: Wait, wait, suddenly the line jerks ah, a big one.
• 58:37
  Speaker 8: Santiago struggles with the line, trying to pull in his catch.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: He will not come up, too heavy, too strong. Come up, fish,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: please come up.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: I will not yie, old cuban cuss.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Then I will stay with you, brother, however long it takes.
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: You are tied to me, old man, as I am
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: tied to you. I pull you north and west away
• 59:00
  Speaker 6: from your home.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: Confound you for hooking me.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Pull me wherever you wish. I will not let go,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: you stubborn son of a gun.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: You should just cut the line. I am stronger than you.
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: Your hands bleed, old man, you cannot rest. Why intarnation
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: do you not cut.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: This line because you are my brother, because you are
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: the greatest thing I have ever seen.
• 59:27
  Speaker 8: The fish pulled the boat northwest. For two days and
• 59:29
  Speaker 8: two nights. Santiago held the line until his hands bled.
• 59:34
  Speaker 8: He could not eat, he could not sleep, but he
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: would not let go.
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: You suffer, old man. I feel a line cutting into me,
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: and I know you feel it cutting into you. We
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: are both we are both in pain.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Get zooks. Yeah, yes, But I was born for this
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: and you were born for.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: This, born for this, dag.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 8: Why must you kill me?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: I have done nothing to you. You are killing me fish,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: but you have the right to. Never have I seen
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: anything greater, or more beautiful or more calm than you. Brother.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: I do not know if I am worthy to kill
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: such a fish, but I will try. I will show
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: you what a man can do and what a man endures.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: Krites and show me, old man, show me, Gosh, darn it,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: I will not.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: I will show you what a fish can do.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Come up. I'm an old man, but I am not defeated.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Come up, h double hockey sticks.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: I have pulled you far from land.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: I have fought well. You have fought better than any
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: fish I have known.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 6: And you, old man, have fought better than any man
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: I have ever known. Very well.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: I am coming up.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 8: G willickers, you have heard this. With one last pull,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 8: Santiago brings his catch to the surface.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: Eighteen feet maybe more a thousand pounds at least. There.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: It is done.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: It is done.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: We fought yell well, you and I he gads, we.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Fought very well. Brother.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 10: Now now I am tied to your damned boat. You're
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 10: taking me home. Yes, the boy will see you. Everyone
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 10: will see you. They will know what we did together.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: I hope they will, old man, I hope.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 8: Santiago had killed the fish, but it was too big
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 8: to bring into the boat. He lashed it to the
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 8: side and began the long journey home. But the sharks
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: smelled the blood.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: No, no, mako sharks.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: They come for me, old man.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: They will destroy what we have done.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: Goll danged sharks.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: No, I will fight them.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 8: Santiago strikes at the sharks with his oar.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: Take that and that or coming barnacles. You cannot stop
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: them all.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: I will try, brother, I will try.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 8: More sharks came. Ope, that's the wrong camera. More sharks came.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 8: Santiago fought them all with harpoon, with knife, with club,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 8: with the tiller.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: But there were too many eat you scavengers. Aye, I
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: went out too far. I have ruined us both fish.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: You did not ruin us.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: Cuss these sharks. We did what we were meant to do.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: You fought. I fought.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: That is enough?
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Is it enough? It is enough.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: By the time Santiago reached the harbor in the dark,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 8: the sharks had eaten everything. Only the skeleton remained. Eighteen
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 8: feet of bones bounds to the boat, but the fish's
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 8: voice had gone silent.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Santiago, Ah, Manolin, you are here.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 7: I saw the fish, the skeleton. How much did it weigh?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: I do not know. The sharks ate it, all of it.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: But everyone has seen it. Fifteen feet from nose to tail,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 7: some say eighteen. It is the greatest fish anyone has
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 7: ever seen.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: But they ate it.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: You beat the fish.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: That is what matters.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: Tomorrow I will fish with you again. My father can
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 7: say what he wants. I will fish with you. You
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: think so, I know, so now rest I will bring
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: you food.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Mandolin. Yeah, I had a dream. I was dreaming about
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: the lions.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: The lions on the beach in Africa.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, when I was your age, I saw them playing
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: on the shore like cats. I dream about them still.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 8: The old man fell asleep and he dreamed of lions
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 8: on the white beaches of his youth, when the world
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 8: was new and all things were possible.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: The end audience goes nuts. The black oh Man.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 8: I was so excited for that.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: I'd forgotten we're still in this hazy twilight of the studio.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: I'd forgotten that I made Brody. I made Brody a
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: fish mask, and I didn't give it to him. But
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: it's probably for the best, because I don't think.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: Because this doesn't look like a marlin.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: I just googled fish mask and printed the first thing
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: I found. Well, that was a fun new segment called
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Meat Eater, Fake Out, Slash Meet Theater. I had a
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: great time with it. I hope the audience enjoyed it
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 8: Brody Round a plaus for Brody Henderson.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Studio and have have the the whole thing flipped on
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: you and have to perform a play live. It was
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: more fun. I think it was a lot of fun. Boy.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: I can't wait to see your revenge.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Phil. What's the chat saying about our you know what?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 8: I haven't been able to look because it's mostly vasectomy talk.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 8: A lot of vasectomy talk. Seems like people are more
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 8: interested in viseectomies than our meat theater segment. Let's see
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 8: this is a masterpiece.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: I wish that we had given Corey a dry run
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: because I feel in the second the third act, his
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: voice was dialed straight dial Yeah. Practice make started off
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: a little choppy, but by the end it was very convincing.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Oh thank you.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: What did I just tune into for a Tommy Pickle crap?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 8: I zonned out? What the heck's going on? These are
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 8: most of the comments. Thanks guys for staying on the line.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 8: You know, our viewer count is higher now than it
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: was before we started the second Oh.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Man, let's hope this show never goes.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 8: Someone called someone called the Sudents.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: That's good, that's good stuff.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 8: Okay, we got some questions here. Do you any of
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 8: you guys keep bees? That's from Sean. No.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: I hate bees, I'll be honest. I react really poorly
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: to beastings. A friend of mine keeps bees. It seems
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: like an incredibly time intensive hobby, or at least he
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: talks about bees more than I'd like him to. But
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: I do enjoy the honey the honey is very good,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: and honey is expensive.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: We're actually my youngest kid and I are seriously considering
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 6: getting a hive this summer. Cool because you can do
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 6: like mail order stuff for that you just ordered, it
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 6: shows up your door, Bingo Mango. Steve has a buddy
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 6: up in Alaska. I didn't even know this was a thing.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: They just do a hive every summer and.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: That's it.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 6: Then they do a new hive because like I always thought,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 6: you had to deal with them over the winner, maybe
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: send him somewhere warm or whatever. But yeah, I want
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 6: to give it a try.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not really what you know, but who you know?
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: My wife and I get a giant bucket of honey
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: every year for yeah, some farmers and friends of ours,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: now that I think about it. At one point I
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: was asked by a coworker. I had to drive from
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: Spokane to Helena and I was asked to bring bees
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: from one place to the other. And so a guy
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: showed up and put a bunch of bees in my
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: car with me. I had a hunt of pilot at
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: the time, and I drove. I drove whatever four and
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: a half five hours, just gripping the Steers. Yeah, it
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: was very unsettling. It seemed like a bad movie.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 6: But I will say this, the whole like bear and
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 6: honey thing is real. Back when Jannis I were guiding
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 6: fly fish and Colorado, we had a private ranch that
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 6: we would take out at now now and then. In
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 6: that rancher had bees and he had to run electric
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: fence around the high to keep the bears out because
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 6: they would just go in there and tear it up.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: You know, I was in an area like that. Consider
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: that I was hunting bears one spring outside of Missoula
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: and it was private down in the bottom on this
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: forest service road that you drive past, and they had
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: a bunch of a bunch of bee hives. And we
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: drove past one time and they were like six skunks
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: in like walking across the field towards the hives, like
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: walking in between the hives. I'd never seen anything like it. Yeah,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: but it's just six skunks all out in the middle
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: of the daylight, just dialed in on those on those
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: be hives. Good point.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 8: This is from car Sarah Carland. I would guess currently
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 8: listening to you guys while pike fishing in the dark
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 8: on the Shannon River in Ireland. Thanks for keeping me company.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 8: Any pike fishing tips.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: For me, that's amazing. Oh, that's amazing.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know like.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: Pike fishing tips. He got any like live suckers? They
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 6: really like those?
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, be careful when you lay one, gette slime
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: all over your boat or your clothes, and keep your
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: fingers away from the teeth and gills.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 6: What is strange to me is like, at least in
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: my experience here in the US of a like, night
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: fishing for pike is like not a thing.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: Like they're just not known to like feed well at night.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, maybe we've got it all. I always
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: think of them as a very like visually oriented fish.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're always hunting.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's super cool though.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: Sorry, no great tips for you.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 8: Where are we at with the venison hot dog recipe?
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 8: It's from two fs.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: We have we have plans ongoing, very promising lead. We're
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: just hoping to get the participation of a man who
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: we believe to be the expert in this, so stay tuned.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: It's definitely happening. It's just a question of Steven Renoula's schedule.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: Is the challenge there?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 6: Like learning how to like emulsify that stuff.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: That's that I mean, that's the key step. But the
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: object is to make a hot dog that is tastes
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: the same, has the same crunch, you know, the same
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: the same snappiness. Are we talking like frank.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 6: Like so not like an Oscar may or Wiener where
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: there's just like no skin on it.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: It's gonna have Is it gonna have.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: Like a yeah, it'll have it'll have a skin on it.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: It will have a case. But but like you know,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: it's all about that hot dog. Enthusiasts call it a
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: snap when you break that case and so and then
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: again the emulsification is is really like there's a lot
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: of people say they make venicson hot dogs and then
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: you get it and it's like a brat with a
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: different spice mix. So we're working towards, uh creating actual
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: like gas station roller dogs out of Venison. Yeah, it's exciting.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 8: Stay tuned, Matt asks, did I miss the punt gun
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 8: content or has it not been made yet? We want
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 8: the punt gun. I don't want to speak for the
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 8: video team, but look for punt gun stuff in a
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 8: few months.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, forthcoming.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 8: It has happened a big release and you won't want
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 8: to miss it. Someone's asking for quail recipes or hunting
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 8: tips scrub Life. Danny got invited to hunt quail for
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 8: the first time next Monday.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: Tips, Like, I mean, it's such such a general question.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if these guys are hunting.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: With dogs or.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, go hunt where there's some quail would be my tip.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: And grill. I mean, I always think about little birds
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: like that, grilling the hole, keep.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: The skin on, take the time to pluck them if
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: they're not shot up. I would say, like, if you've
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 6: got a group of people, you're gonna need two per
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: for wild quail, you're gonna need at least two per person.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: Good luck, keep us posted.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah, let's do one more here. This is from Chris Locke.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 8: He says he's elk hunting season. He hears two hundred
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  Speaker 8: to three hundred elk bulls are fighting and bugling. We'll
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  Speaker 8: calling do anything or is it all about spotting stock intercepts?
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  Speaker 8: He's hoping hunting an open country with a muzzle loader.
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  Speaker 3: Here of two.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I was kind of confessed by that.
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  Speaker 1: Corey.
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  Speaker 6: That late season bugling. That ain't that's just them talking
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  Speaker 6: to each other. When they're in these giant herds, like
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  Speaker 6: you're not going to lure a bull in by Colin.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, they're always fighting, they're always bugling. That's
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  Speaker 2: not just a rut thing. Colin might do you something, though,
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Squeak on a little lost calf, call and see if
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  Speaker 3: a cow will come in.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you're hunting either sex if you
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  Speaker 2: got to get close open country with the muzzy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of belly crawling. I'd imagine best bet
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  Speaker 4: spot in stock though, fill.
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  Speaker 3: Is that it?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah? Are you sure? Unless you want to keep going there.
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  Speaker 8: We're at time. I think I think we've we've given
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  Speaker 8: them a.
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  Speaker 6: Pretty good We didn't get any reactions on our Academy
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  Speaker 6: Award winning efforts.
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  Speaker 8: Phil Brody, you got called out specifically. People were not extended.
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  Speaker 8: I can find some for you. People were saying, I
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  Speaker 8: didn't know Brody had that heat in him. Bravo expecting
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  Speaker 8: that from Brody.
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  Speaker 2: We call that chop.
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  Speaker 8: John says, Bravo, I'm weeping. Brody really showed up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: Brody was a just sport. I told Randall before this.
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  Speaker 8: For the D and D game, you you brought brought
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  Speaker 8: it then.
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  Speaker 6: To I'm game, Phil, game for whatever. Plus I just
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  Speaker 6: like felt for that fish man because he really got boned.
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  Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I tried to do uh, the most
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  Speaker 2: Dangerous game. You remember that short story.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: But then I forgot that the guy. You know, there's
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  Speaker 2: the guy that hunts the people, and then there's the
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  Speaker 2: the guy that's going to be hunted, and then there's
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  Speaker 2: a third guy. And he's only described as like a big, imposing,
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  Speaker 2: mute character, and so I didn't think it would be fair.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, he makes some the guy one guy makes
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  Speaker 2: some comments, like he has his own methods, right, but
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  Speaker 2: he's silent the whole time. So it just didn't turn
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  Speaker 2: out well. So I thought just adding the fish to
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  Speaker 2: this would work out the best, and I think.
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  Speaker 8: That was a great idea.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll get away. We'll get away from Hemingway
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  Speaker 2: at some point, but he's really got a rich library.
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  Speaker 2: So as always, we appreciate you, we love you. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: for tuning in, Corey Brody, appreciate you guys. Phil, you
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  Speaker 2: killed it again today. As always, We'll see you here
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  Speaker 2: next Thursday. Meeta to Radio Live, signing off, good night,