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WISCONSIN DAD OF 3 FAKES DEATH TO SNUGGLE UP WITH UZBEKISTAN LOVER, SENTENCED · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, a very much married Wisconsin
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  Speaker 1: dad tries to fake his own death in an elaborate
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  Speaker 1: kayak accident hoax in order to flee to Eastern Europe
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  Speaker 1: to be with a woman he meets online. Oh my stars,
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  Speaker 1: to my husband, David, if you want to be with
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  Speaker 1: someone else, don't spend all the money flying to Eastern
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  Speaker 1: Europe and hooking up with some big hoe.
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  Speaker 2: All right, just leave, okay, but do not spend the
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  Speaker 2: children's college fund to do it. You can go, You're free.
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  Speaker 1: I may not be happy about it, but for Pete's sake,
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  Speaker 1: don't mess with the money. Oh dear Lord in Heaven,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. Ryan Borgwart carried out an elaborate stunt to
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  Speaker 1: be with a mistress in the country of Georgia in
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  Speaker 1: Eastern Europe. Now he's home. He pled no contest because
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  Speaker 1: he didn't have the backbone to say guilty to the
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  Speaker 1: charge of obstruction. And now he learns his fate. And
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  Speaker 1: let me just say up front, it's not harsh enough.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, let's have a little refresher course on
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  Speaker 1: what Ryan Borgoort did.
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe this guy. This is what happened.
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  Speaker 3: On August twelfth, twenty twenty four, at five thirty two pm,
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  Speaker 3: our office received a call from the Dutch Cony Sheriff's
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  Speaker 3: Office in reference to a subject that did not return
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  Speaker 3: home that evening and the last known location.
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  Speaker 4: He was was Green Lake.
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  Speaker 3: Deputies headed that way check the areas around the lake
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  Speaker 3: and found Ryan's vehicle along with his trailer, parked in
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  Speaker 3: the area of Dodge Memorial Park. We immediately deployed our boat.
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  Speaker 3: At six point thirty one, two of our deputies found
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  Speaker 3: a capsized kayak in the western part of the lake
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  Speaker 3: in the area of two hundred and twenty foot.
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  Speaker 4: Depth of water.
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  Speaker 1: Where is the missing father of three? And we thought
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  Speaker 1: dautiful and loving husband. His wife is refusing to comment
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  Speaker 1: until she knows the truth about Ryan Borgwart.
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  Speaker 2: But this is not about her. This is about him.
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  Speaker 1: She is left with paying the house payment, taking care
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  Speaker 1: of the children, and trying to move forward while.
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  Speaker 2: They ask where's daddy?
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  Speaker 1: But my question is where is Ryan borg wartt Joining
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  Speaker 1: me in all Star panel to make sense of what
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  Speaker 1: we know right now, But listen to this The last.
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  Speaker 3: Contact with the phone and with Ryan was around ten
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  Speaker 3: forty five and when we first got it was around
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  Speaker 3: six o'clock the next morning.
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  Speaker 4: I immediately called.
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  Speaker 3: My partners through the DNR and requested boats. My second
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  Speaker 3: call was to Bruce's Legacy. Bruce's Legacy has helped us
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  Speaker 3: in the past with draw memes that we've had on
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  Speaker 3: our lake.
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  Speaker 4: And the reason why is because of the depth of
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  Speaker 4: our lake.
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  Speaker 3: Our lake is two hundred and thirty eight feet, the
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  Speaker 3: largest lake in Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 2: What a massive search?
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  Speaker 1: Before I go to Keith kormackan the underwater search recovery
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  Speaker 1: expert and director of Bruce's Legacy who searched for twenty
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  Speaker 1: three days, divers put in danger to find the missing Dad,
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  Speaker 1: hold tight. Keith cormanckn first to Alexis Tereschuk, joining US
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  Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Alexis, I want to
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  Speaker 1: start with Dad kayaking alone on the river.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me about that. So he goes off.
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  Speaker 1: On a boy's trip, a solo trip, while his wife stays.
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  Speaker 2: Home and takes care of the three children. Is that's that?
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  Speaker 2: Am I understanding that correctly?
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  Speaker 5: It's exactly right for work goes off, he goes to
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  Speaker 5: this lake. It is. It's a pretty big lake, and
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  Speaker 5: it is the actual deepest lake inland in Wisconsin. And
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  Speaker 5: so he goes off, Oh my god, alexis summer.
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  Speaker 1: Alexis. I looked it up. I researched the lake. I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad you. He said, that is seven thousand, three hundred
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  Speaker 1: and forty acres and twenty seven miles of shore and
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  Speaker 1: goes nearly two hundred and forty feet deep.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, go ahead, And it's summer.
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  Speaker 5: It's August, so it's Wisconsin for folks. Wisconsin's pretty far north.
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  Speaker 5: It stays light much later there. So he goes for
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  Speaker 5: an evening kayak. Wife is not suspicious at all something
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  Speaker 5: he does. He's outdoorsy, he likes and they live near
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  Speaker 5: this lake. It's part of their family life.
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  Speaker 2: So he goes.
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  Speaker 5: Kayaking, and at ten o'clock, about ten forty five at night,
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  Speaker 5: he sends his wife a text and he says, hey,
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  Speaker 5: I'm about to head home now. And that is the
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  Speaker 5: last thing that anyone heard from him.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So he goes kayaking and he's never heard from again.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to what the Green Lake County Sheriff
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  Speaker 1: Mark Podell says.
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  Speaker 3: We assembled around eight thirty Monday morning to get our
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  Speaker 3: plan in place as to what we were going to do.
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  Speaker 4: As you can see in the.
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  Speaker 3: Screen behind me shows the location of data guide that.
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  Speaker 4: Guided our search. There was a number of things that
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  Speaker 4: we got from the.
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  Speaker 3: Phone that Ryan I had contact with his wife, and
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  Speaker 3: the last one where it shows you on there, it
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  Speaker 3: says last pin. That was one where he told her
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  Speaker 3: that he was going to be turning around.
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  Speaker 4: And heading towards shore soon. We then got another thing
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  Speaker 4: around the eleven.
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  Speaker 3: Eleven fifty ish, And that was just the last thing
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  Speaker 3: that we got on.
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  Speaker 1: The phone, eleven fifty ish at night, I take it,
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  Speaker 1: alexis Tschuk.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it was at night.
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  Speaker 5: It was that that evening. So there was he said
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  Speaker 5: the text message to his wife. He says, I'm heading
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  Speaker 5: out to shore, I meaning I'm on the lake. I'm
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  Speaker 5: gonna head back to shore then I'll drive home. And
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  Speaker 5: then they get one more pin right on the area
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  Speaker 5: of the lake where he had been kayaking where the
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  Speaker 5: first text message was sent from. And that is nothing
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  Speaker 5: else from this phone.
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  Speaker 2: And when is daddy reported missing that night? She panics,
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  Speaker 2: his wife panics that night.
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  Speaker 5: But so let's talk with midnight the next day she
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  Speaker 5: calls the police. They immediately first thing in the morning,
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  Speaker 5: they send somebody. They send a team out to the
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  Speaker 5: lake to look for him. This isn't at the time.
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  Speaker 5: They just thought perhaps he's drowned. You lots of accidents
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  Speaker 5: can happen on the water, so the police immediately go
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  Speaker 5: out to search. He is a dad of three. He
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  Speaker 5: is missing. The wife calls. She has no idea of
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  Speaker 5: anything that would be wrong with him and is panicked
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  Speaker 5: about it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so the last paying is at eleven fifty at
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  Speaker 1: night PM, she reports him missing. He said two different
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  Speaker 1: things that night and the following morning. When did she
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  Speaker 1: report a missing simply put that night. So mom immediately
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  Speaker 1: reports him missing and the search is on. Straight out
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  Speaker 1: to Keith Kormickan joining US underwater Search Recovery expert Director
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  Speaker 1: Bruce's legacy search for twenty three days in dangerous water
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  Speaker 1: for Vorgwart. Explain to me Keith, how side scan sonar
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  Speaker 1: or sonar actually works well.
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  Speaker 6: Our sonar is a very sophisticated four foot long torpedo.
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  Speaker 6: I have extra weight on it, so it weighs a
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  Speaker 6: total of one hundred pounds that needs to be told
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  Speaker 6: on a cable and it needs to be told to
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  Speaker 6: practically penn feed off the bottom. That generates sonar images
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  Speaker 6: of absolutely everything on the bottom. You can see rock formation,
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  Speaker 6: we can see tree benches and just very great detail.
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  Speaker 6: So we cover an area of about one hundred feet
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  Speaker 6: on each side of the boat and we can't see
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  Speaker 6: directly underneath it toe fish and we have to overlap,
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  Speaker 6: so it does take some time and the yeah, we
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  Speaker 6: are able to watch it on the screen in the
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  Speaker 6: boat and mark targets and it gives us exact weight
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  Speaker 6: points of the location of targets and such. Once we
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  Speaker 6: locate any targets avengers and we put the underwater robot down.
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  Speaker 6: It has lights, cameras, recording capabilities, and its own sonar
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  Speaker 6: who drive up to these targets and take a look
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  Speaker 6: at them and see if what's what we're looking for
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  Speaker 6: or not.
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  Speaker 1: Another question, Keith cormickan, when you are out on this
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  Speaker 1: dark water, could you explain how when you're looking at
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  Speaker 1: sonar and everybody think a fish sonar.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people use it when they're out fishing
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  Speaker 2: and you.
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  Speaker 1: See something you can't really tell exactly what it is.
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  Speaker 1: Keith Cormickan, how do you tell a person from debris
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  Speaker 1: such as you know, a tree branch or some other
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  Speaker 1: form of debris.
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  Speaker 6: Well, that's that's the part that takes a lot of practice.
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  Speaker 6: You know, there's a lot of images we get of
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  Speaker 6: bodies that are what I call no brainers. You know,
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  Speaker 6: they they're easy to easy to identify. But the ones
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  Speaker 6: that make me, uh you know, you know, pretty popular,
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  Speaker 6: is the ones that those those are the tougher images.
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  Speaker 6: They may be light and you know, in in in
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  Speaker 6: and around the log weeds debris. Uh so they kind
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  Speaker 6: of blend in with the surrounding areas. So you know,
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  Speaker 6: I've had I don't know, I've done this a lot.
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  Speaker 6: I spend a lot of time every year doing it,
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  Speaker 6: so I've I've kind of gained a I don't know
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  Speaker 6: what Naki might say to be able to identify bodies
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  Speaker 6: even in the hardest id you know, way to identify them.
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  Speaker 6: So it's been very fortunate.
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  Speaker 2: Question.
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  Speaker 1: What is your response, how do you feel about a
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  Speaker 1: twenty three day search when now we think this guy
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  Speaker 1: may be snugged up with a lover in Zbekistan.
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  Speaker 6: Well, my first initial response when I first heard it
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  Speaker 6: about it is, you know, I honestly My first response
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  Speaker 6: was I was relieved because I had been second guessing
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  Speaker 6: my capabilities for several days. Couldn't figure out, we know,
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  Speaker 6: why could not find this guy. We covered this lake
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  Speaker 6: more thorough than I've ever covered the lake. The second
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  Speaker 6: reaction was, you know, I was there when the share
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  Speaker 6: A hit the family with the bombshell of the new information,
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  Speaker 6: and I seen the response to the family and it
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  Speaker 6: was pretty horrifying news for them to see. You know.
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  Speaker 6: The reaction is, you know, was very tough. So you know,
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  Speaker 6: I felt a lot of remorse for them and what
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  Speaker 6: they're going to be faced with. So that's very tough.
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  Speaker 7: You know.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not happy with what he did. And we
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  Speaker 6: encountered a lot of expenses with some damage to our equipment,
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, I'm not happy with what he did, the
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  Speaker 6: choices he made. You know, people don't realize all the
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  Speaker 6: expenses and in the anguish that.
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  Speaker 1: Weasis, how much do you think you're out?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I know for sure. The first two weeks I
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  Speaker 6: spent about ten thousand dollars sum in repairs, and then
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  Speaker 6: I had to replace one of my pieces of the
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  Speaker 6: equipment of forty five hundred dollars. So so yeah, I
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  Speaker 6: had a tough first two weeks, and you know, and
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  Speaker 6: then I damaged a couple of props because of the
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  Speaker 6: shallow water in some areas. So the Sheriff's apartment was
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  Speaker 6: was very good about, you know, taking care of that,
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  Speaker 6: in which in turn, one of the local businesses actually
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  Speaker 6: donated a couple of props, so that local community, it
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  Speaker 6: was just amazing down there.
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  Speaker 1: An interesting piece of evidence is found on the like listen,
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  Speaker 1: there were some.
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  Speaker 3: Boorters out there and one boat with two boat the
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  Speaker 3: two fishermen on we're casting along.
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  Speaker 4: The bottom of the lake and they come up with
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  Speaker 4: a fishing rod.
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  Speaker 3: That fishing rod was taken as evidence photograph and was
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  Speaker 3: identified by the wife of the victim. So we continue
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  Speaker 3: to search, figuring that could have been a point of interest.
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  Speaker 4: And at three thirty three that.
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  Speaker 8: Same day, Tuesday, we found someone called and said that
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  Speaker 8: they found a tackle box. The stuff inside that tackle
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  Speaker 8: box had a.
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  Speaker 3: Wallet and keys, then a license belonging to Riot.
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: And what is the punishment for the married Wisconsin dad
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  Speaker 1: who faked his own death in an elaborate scheme just
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  Speaker 1: to go be with his hoe. Excuse me, mistress in
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  Speaker 1: another country. He is getting the same amount of time
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  Speaker 1: eighty nine days that LA law enforcement spent searching for him,
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  Speaker 1: most of that time his wife distraught.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, what happened?
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  Speaker 9: Search and rescue organizations, the Sheriff's office and volunteers scour
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  Speaker 9: Wisconsin's Green Lake, but there's no sign of the missing father.
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  Speaker 2: Where is ryinan Borgwart? Is he dead?
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  Speaker 10: Did he drown? Is he missing somehow? Or is he
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  Speaker 10: snugged up with his lover in Uzbekistan? Those are the
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  Speaker 10: questions right now. In joining me and All Star panel
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  Speaker 10: to make sense of what we know. Now we understand.
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  Speaker 1: Cadaver dogs are brought out on the water a massive
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  Speaker 1: body of water seven three hundred and forty acres twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven miles of sure two hundred and thirty seven feet deep.
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  Speaker 1: Look at that, the dangers to the divers immense. Now
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  Speaker 1: dangers to the cadaver dogs. And isn't it true to
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  Speaker 1: Barry Golden, former US Marshall now PI very cadaver dogs
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  Speaker 1: are especially trained to pick up a cent in water,
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  Speaker 1: and it's very difficult for the dog in that type
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  Speaker 1: of water two hundred and thirty seven feet deep.
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  Speaker 2: But dogs can pick up a scent in water.
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  Speaker 11: Yes, and it's it's very taxing on these dogs. And
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  Speaker 11: you know, if it's a quick investig case or a
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  Speaker 11: quick search, these dogs may pick up something or a
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  Speaker 11: body or a scent of a body or something like
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  Speaker 11: that really quick. But when this goes on and on
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  Speaker 11: and on, these dogs get stressed out and they get
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  Speaker 11: tiring and they're exhausted after a while. So sometimes they
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  Speaker 11: have to use two and three dogs and work them
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  Speaker 11: in shifts to keep on going. Because this is a
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  Speaker 11: huge lake, so it's a big undergoing to get these
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  Speaker 11: dogs out there. Sometimes every department doesn't have a cadaver
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  Speaker 11: dog and they have to go to other departments to
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  Speaker 11: borrow those dogs. Other canine dogs always come in and
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  Speaker 11: help out because these dogs get very exhausted searching and
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  Speaker 11: searching and searching and walking through these woods.
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  Speaker 2: And then a surprise Keith from.
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  Speaker 3: Rusus Life Seat and he said to me, he said, Sheriff.
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  Speaker 3: He said, I've done a lot of searching and I
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  Speaker 3: can't find He also told me to share it for worry.
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  Speaker 3: Not giving up, he called the company and was asking
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  Speaker 3: for another piece of equipment, a top notch s sotar
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  Speaker 3: and it was a new.
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  Speaker 4: One, but it's going to be a couple of weeks after.
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  Speaker 4: We said we gotta go a different direction, and they did.
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  Speaker 4: The direction we went.
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  Speaker 3: Was offline and we found out that his name was
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  Speaker 3: run on August thirteenth.
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  Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, that was something we didn't expect.
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  Speaker 1: That's the Green Lake County Sheriff, Mark Poddell speaking to us.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've got to clarify it. Lex as Terreschuk
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  Speaker 1: joining us Climb online dot Com investigator reporter. Sheriff says
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  Speaker 1: his name was run August thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: Now, remember he has his water.
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  Speaker 1: Mishap on August eleven. What did the sheriff mean by
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  Speaker 1: that his name was run?
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Borgwart's name was run.
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  Speaker 5: What it happened was is that his passport was used
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  Speaker 5: in Canada, so that at the border crossing it was
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  Speaker 5: discovered they put his name, I suppose, into a national
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  Speaker 5: database with his passport information and it showed up as
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  Speaker 5: him going into Canada the next or two days later.
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  Speaker 5: So went missing on August eleven. People started searching.
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  Speaker 1: After a twenty three day search, putting lives at risk,
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  Speaker 1: dogs at risk. I can't tell you, and I've been
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  Speaker 1: on a lot of deep dives literally deep dives in
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  Speaker 1: dark water all across the world. It can be very
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  Speaker 1: dangerous think about it. But aside from that, what about
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  Speaker 1: his wife and his.
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  Speaker 2: Children at home? To Bailly excuse me, sorry, Billy?
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  Speaker 1: To doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist specializing in forensic psychology.
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  Speaker 1: You can find him at resolution fcs dot com. Doctor Delatory,
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  Speaker 1: How can you allow your wife, your spouse, and your
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  Speaker 1: children to think you're dead while your passport lets you
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  Speaker 1: enter Canada?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, listen, we're going to talk about this guy, and
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  Speaker 12: we're gonna I think we're going to come up with
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  Speaker 12: some ideas that this is not really someone who is
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  Speaker 12: capable of having a difficult conversation. This is a guy
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  Speaker 12: who's easily manipulated. Right, He's constantly wanting attention, but he's
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  Speaker 12: not getting the attention that he wants.
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  Speaker 1: You know, let me use a legal phrase on you, Delatory.
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  Speaker 1: What the hell are you talking about? He is easily manipulated, Jackie.
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  Speaker 2: Have I gone and say is this is a bad dream?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: This is real? Are you saying he's easily manipulated? I
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  Speaker 2: asked you about his wife and his children, and all
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  Speaker 2: of those people, the.
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  Speaker 1: Divers, the men and women out they're risking their lives
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  Speaker 1: at two hundred and forty feet below the surface, trying
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  Speaker 1: to find.
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  Speaker 2: This POC cares about it? Can you tell me he's manipulating?
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  Speaker 12: He cares about something other than them, He cares about
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  Speaker 12: things other than his family. He doesn't care that he
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  Speaker 12: put an entire community risk. He doesn't care about saying to.
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  Speaker 2: Be lover in his Bekistan.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, then why are you telling me he's easily manipulated
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  Speaker 1: my rear end?
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  Speaker 12: Because I mean, could he be talking to someone who
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  Speaker 12: knows Pakistan? I mean sure, but he's most likely talking
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  Speaker 12: to some man in Southeast Asia who's convinced him to
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  Speaker 12: start donating all kinds of money.
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  Speaker 1: That. Okay, so control yourself, Okay, delatory, you're worried that.
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  Speaker 2: He could be talking to a guy in his underwear
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  Speaker 2: needs and not a hotty from his bed, that's what
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  Speaker 2: you're focused on.
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  Speaker 12: I'm not worried about.
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  Speaker 2: Well, why are you even talking about that? That's not
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: what I asked you.
• 21:05
  Speaker 12: But I'm not worried about what he's.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Going to ask you.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: How could you let your wife and children think you're dead.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I've lived through my fiance's murder.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I know what it feels like. To think he's dead.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: And every time my husband is late or he doesn't
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: land on time, I think.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Is he dead? That's what happens.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: That's what this woman is probably still going through.
• 21:31
  Speaker 12: You doesn't love his wife or his children anymore. He
• 21:34
  Speaker 12: doesn't love them anymore at all. He doesn't care about what.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Did he ever? Did he ever?
• 21:40
  Speaker 12: Probably at some point, but certainly not now.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: You know, I just doctor delatory.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I know you have a lot of degrees, and you
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: are renowned psychologist and mediator, but I don't know what
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: to think about you right now. I ask you about
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: how could you let your wife and children think you're
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: dead all this time when you're shacked up with a
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: hattie in Uzbekistan.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: We're so, we think, and you talk to.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Me about how he's minneapolated by some naked guy online
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: and whatever.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I care about what he's done to
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: his wife and family.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: If in fact this is true, you know what, control
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and put him in the corner. I'm going to give
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: him a few minutes to think about what he has said.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Gregory Morse joining me, high profile lawyer with King and
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Morse current CGA Council Southern District of Florida, former public
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: defender and author of The Untested on Amazon. You can
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: find him at Kingmorselaw dot com.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Gregory, what about it? Is this a crime if it's true?
• 22:52
  Speaker 13: Well, no, it's not a crime. If it's true. People
• 22:58
  Speaker 13: lie to their spouses all the time. People tell their
• 23:01
  Speaker 13: spouses or their children they're going to the corner store
• 23:03
  Speaker 13: and they never come home. And even if it is
• 23:06
  Speaker 13: a crime, Nancy, it doesn't really matter because we don't
• 23:09
  Speaker 13: have an extradition treaty with Uzbekistan. If that's in fact
• 23:13
  Speaker 13: where he is, maybe there could be a crime with
• 23:17
  Speaker 13: this passport application, But how do you approve he didn't
• 23:20
  Speaker 13: lose his passport. That's not an easy thing to prove,
• 23:23
  Speaker 13: and that's a low grade felony anyway. So even if
• 23:26
  Speaker 13: we had an extradition treaty with Huzbekistan, the government probably
• 23:30
  Speaker 13: wouldn't spend their time to.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Get him back.
• 23:34
  Speaker 13: Maybe the moral police should be looking for him, but
• 23:36
  Speaker 13: the police police should stop wasting their time. And he
• 23:40
  Speaker 13: didn't do anything illegal as far as I can tell,
• 23:43
  Speaker 13: except maybe the passport thing, and even that.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know who you're referred to as the moral police.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I guess me I'm not the church lady, But haven't
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you heard about prosecutions of people that fake their disappearance
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: while the government racks.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Up thousands and thousands.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Of dollars while they're all out searching for the missing person.
• 24:07
  Speaker 13: Well, he faked his disappearance to his wife and then
• 24:10
  Speaker 13: he left. She called and said he was missing. She
• 24:12
  Speaker 13: called the police and did these things. So you're transferring
• 24:15
  Speaker 13: that kind from that fault to him, not her fault.
• 24:18
  Speaker 13: But she took the acts that could lead down the
• 24:20
  Speaker 13: path of criminal culpability.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Joining me right now is a very special guest, Billy Boomhauer,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: mental health content creator.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: You can find her.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: On TikTok, Authentic Alpha on Insta Authentic Alpha co.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Billy Boomhauer.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Before I ask you any questions, I've just got to
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: show this.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Why can you advice on anything?
• 24:49
  Speaker 14: I go to is Becca stan or stay here?
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: See that one was do I go to is Bekistan
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: or stay here?
• 24:56
  Speaker 14: Do you have family there?
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: No?
• 24:59
  Speaker 14: Why do you want to go to meet a woman?
• 25:01
  Speaker 14: To meet a woman?
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: And it was as from Pakistan?
• 25:06
  Speaker 14: From Pakistan, you don't like American women?
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Oh they're familiar, They're familiar. Is that a bad thing?
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I guess he wants some strange as some of my
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: defendants have said. Okay, that's Billy Boomhauer, who's with us
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: right now talking to a guy that looks a lot
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: like Bogwart. Okay, I didn't take his fingerprint or get
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: his DNA buckle swab, but that looks like Bogwart to me?
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Uh is it? Wait? Excuse me, but that looks like
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Borgwart to me?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Joining me, Bailly Boomhwer, Bailly, what prompted you to ask
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: advice from the Borgwart lookalike?
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: I was just doing my advice series and then this
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: man came up on his bike and then started asking
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: all those questions, and he after like, looking into more,
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: it looks like it could be Ryan.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of Bailey Boomhauer's interview with
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: a man we believe to be missing Dad, Ryan Borgwart.
• 26:15
  Speaker 14: So you've given up on meeting someone here?
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: No, I'm married.
• 26:20
  Speaker 14: Oh yeah, but you you want to find someone else?
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Empty nest.
• 26:26
  Speaker 11: I'm not sure that's what I'm asking you.
• 26:29
  Speaker 15: Wait, empty nest, what do you mean my kids are Wait?
• 26:34
  Speaker 15: So you want to find like adopt a child?
• 26:38
  Speaker 11: No, No, I want to find a companion that I'm
• 26:42
  Speaker 11: content with and more, I.
• 26:44
  Speaker 15: Think that requires you to divorce someone first.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Well maybe or is she okay with us? That's a
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: good question.
• 26:59
  Speaker 14: Have you had a conversation about that?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: So?
• 27:04
  Speaker 14: Would it be like a thropple or something?
• 27:07
  Speaker 10: No?
• 27:10
  Speaker 14: Oh you would you guys would get a divorce?
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Possibly? Possibly? Yeah, Billy, did you.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Ever imagine that that I guess beachside video you took
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: would be part of a missing person's case?
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: I had no clue. And then it wasn't until recently
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: that people started tagging me and like tagging all these
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: news channels and commenting that they think it was Ryan.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Let's see a picture of Borgwart and compare. Okay, yeah, I.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Think we've got some more. You be the judge.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Is she talking to this guy? That's an older picture.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: He has less hair than he did in that most
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: recent picture.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Oh kidoki?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: All right, let's take a listen to more of Billy
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Boomhauer's interview with who we believe to be Ryan Borgwart.
• 28:05
  Speaker 15: Do you just feel like there's no love left between
• 28:07
  Speaker 15: you guys?
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Diminished?
• 28:10
  Speaker 14: Finished?
• 28:13
  Speaker 15: Well, I think you guys should definitely have that discussion
• 28:18
  Speaker 15: and see where things are going between you two before
• 28:21
  Speaker 15: you leave the country. Yeah, but yeah, I would. I
• 28:28
  Speaker 15: think you guys should sort out where your marriage.
• 28:30
  Speaker 14: Is right now. I think that's the first thing to do.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going to just go out on a limb and
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: go back to doctor John Delatory, licensed psychologist, Doctor Delatory.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: You earlier, you were.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Talking about how he Borgwart was manipulated online. You do
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: hear what he is saying to Billy Boomhauer, right, he
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: has quote dim law for his wife after she's given
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: birth to three.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Of his children and taking care.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Of them and him, and now he's like, it's diminished.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Did you hear that? I did hear that? Yeah? And
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: you don't think he's been manipulated? Good?
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: Still again, I do still think he's being manipulated. I
• 29:20
  Speaker 12: do think he's being told that whatever love he feels
• 29:24
  Speaker 12: isn't there anymore. And I'm sure that he's being exploited.
• 29:26
  Speaker 12: And I'm sure I mean gift cards. Right, we saw
• 29:29
  Speaker 12: the list of things that the police had had said
• 29:31
  Speaker 12: that we're part of this investigation. Airline gift cards. I
• 29:34
  Speaker 12: mean the only thing missing is cryptocurrency. I mean, come on,
• 29:38
  Speaker 12: three hundred and fifty dollars three hundred and fifty thousand
• 29:41
  Speaker 12: dollars life insurance policy. This guy is soft. This guy
• 29:45
  Speaker 12: doesn't want to have a difficult conversation about where his
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: marriage is. He just wants to leave his family and
• 29:50
  Speaker 12: he doesn't want to have any consequences associated with that.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: That's I don't know why you keep taking up for him,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: claiming that he's the one being manipulated.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: You know what.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: The the only place I'm getting any straight answers right
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: now is from Bailly Boomhauer, who, on a lark, was
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: offering advice out along the water.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Where were you exactly, Bailly?
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: I was in Pacific Beach, Sandy Ago.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, listen to more of Bailly Boomhauer speaking to who
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: we believe to be Borgward, and I.
• 30:25
  Speaker 14: Think you'll feel less lost and like things are up
• 30:29
  Speaker 14: in the air.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Six months later, Yeah.
• 30:39
  Speaker 14: You guys should sort that out.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: That's the advice.
• 30:43
  Speaker 14: Yes, you need to figure out where you're what's going on?
• 30:47
  Speaker 14: Why is it not possible?
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: In decision?
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, in decision? So because of his indecision, he's led
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: not only his wife and his children, but an entire
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Griff's force, divers and dogs on a wild goose Chase
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: because he can't decide to stay with his wife and
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: family or leave for some woman he thinks.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: He's going to meet in his Bekistan. Okay, more, I
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: feel like you.
• 31:13
  Speaker 15: Indecision is a decision in itself because if you're even questioning,
• 31:25
  Speaker 15: really nice to meet you. Yeah, talk to your wife,
• 31:28
  Speaker 15: sort it out. Yeah, you guys need to know be
• 31:33
  Speaker 15: on the same page with what's happening.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Ladies, when you run into mister indecision, run for the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: hills as if you had seen a monster.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: That's my advice. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: The judge also ordered the philandering dad to pay thirty
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: grand to Green Lake County Sheriff's office in the Wisconsin
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Department of Natural Resources because that's about how much they
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: spent trying to find his sorry rear end.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at him right now, he's not even all that.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: In fact, he's not even remotely handsome, and he's obviously
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: not smart. So what was the draw to start with?
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: His wife is so cute, and she's the mother of
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: his children. I mean, plus she works full time, she's
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: bringing home the money.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, and he went for a big hoe.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Excuse me, mistress okay overseas spending all that money.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Ouch.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: When I said idiot, boy, did I mean idiot? Borgwart
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: had been speaking to this woman in Isbekistan before he
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: obtained his new passport and a three hundred and seventy
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: five thousand dollars life insurance policy in January, maybe wishing
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: she got the money about right now that said, here's
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: the crime you.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Got this video.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Billy Boomhauer, mental health content creator on TikTok, Authentic Alpha
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: on Insta Authentic Alpha co.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: What was your impression of this guy?
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: It was just such a bizarre encounter. Just the whole time,
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: he kind of was like I thought maybe he was
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: on something or I really couldn't tell if he was
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: just like joking or if it was real. But then
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: the longer it went on, it just seems like it
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: was a legitimate, like legitimate thing he was asking. But
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: as you could see, I was kind of confused the
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: whole time because it was just such a bizarre encounter.
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: Why not write a d.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I met that, Oh the way I am right here.
• 33:54
  Speaker 12: Go go one street at the seven eleven.
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: It was going on, I've got my family and that on.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: The phone this week and.
• 34:06
  Speaker 15: I get out from from Atlanta to work.
• 34:10
  Speaker 14: I don't know what mynds's fill on the knees.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Woman, you were not kidnapped.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: You faked your own disappearance on the eve of your wedding.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Wilbanks, known as the runaway bridey, Hey, I can't
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: wait to get a hold of Gregory Moore's high profile
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: lawyer on this.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Do you hear going? Is this she's really sucking up? Snot?
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Let's listen to some more about how.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I would say her.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: I mean, I would say in her forties, maybe it was.
• 34:43
  Speaker 12: Her.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: You have flag?
• 34:45
  Speaker 12: Was it longer?
• 34:45
  Speaker 14: Short?
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: St have any facial hair?
• 34:47
  Speaker 12: No, we'll color short Jacky with you.
• 34:49
  Speaker 8: I want to ask on him.
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: I don't know Marion jacking and I don't know what
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: colors now? And B the blue band like.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: A word band we're going to convert.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: It wasn't a meaning.
• 35:06
  Speaker 12: It was like a like a like a painter work
• 35:09
  Speaker 12: band direction.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: They I have no idea where I am.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I could just listen to her nyl and
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: call all day long. But to gregor remorse, she goes
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: so far beyond faking her own kidnap, her own fake kidnap.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: She actually describes the suspects. They're Hispanic. According to her,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: it was all a hoax, Morse, and she was forced
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to pay tens of thousands of dollars to reimburse the
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: government for her search.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Now you can't order reimbursement. A judge can't do that
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: unless you're convicted of something. Now you were earlier saying
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: this isn't a crime.
• 35:50
  Speaker 13: Well, Nancy, it's not exactly. The big difference here is
• 35:55
  Speaker 13: a person that fakes their own death death can make
• 35:58
  Speaker 13: a false police reporting, call nine one one. They're supposed
• 36:01
  Speaker 13: to be dead. And that's what we have here. The
• 36:04
  Speaker 13: example you showed, or even the Jesse Smallet case. Those
• 36:07
  Speaker 13: people called the police. They committed the crime of filing
• 36:10
  Speaker 13: a false police report. That's able to be charges.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: But again here we don't have that.
• 36:15
  Speaker 13: We have a guy who lied to his family. Not
• 36:18
  Speaker 13: a nice guy, but not a criminal with regard to
• 36:21
  Speaker 13: that aspect. Maybe a civil lawsuit by the local police,
• 36:25
  Speaker 13: they can have at it. They'd probably waste more money
• 36:27
  Speaker 13: and legal fees than they wouldn't collecting. But Borgenwort didn't
• 36:31
  Speaker 13: commit a crime here for being this search. He didn't
• 36:34
  Speaker 13: call the police and create a false report, So you're wrong.
• 36:37
  Speaker 13: There is nothing wrong here. He's no crime for this guy,
• 36:41
  Speaker 13: and probably the jokes on him.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: What do you mean the joke's on him, Morris? Well,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: I agree with your doctor.
• 36:46
  Speaker 13: I've been a criminal defense lawyer a long long time
• 36:50
  Speaker 13: and 'll tail signs of the victim of a scam.
• 36:53
  Speaker 13: So when he shows up to that beautiful woman he
• 36:56
  Speaker 13: believes he's going to see in Uzbekkistan, he's going to
• 36:58
  Speaker 13: see an empty place and he's going to have lost
• 37:01
  Speaker 13: all his money. So while it's horrible for the family,
• 37:06
  Speaker 13: this guy's going to probably suffer for his ridiculous decision
• 37:13
  Speaker 13: to leave his family and be you know.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, hold on great remorse.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: While faking one's death in itself may not be illegal,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: what if it is part of a fraudulent plan like
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: insurance fraud.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Remember the three hundred and seventy five thousand dollar policy
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: he took out. I do not about that.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Row.
• 37:34
  Speaker 13: Well, there's nothing wrong with providing for your family, which
• 37:38
  Speaker 13: sounds good. However, if he caused or knew that someone
• 37:43
  Speaker 13: was going to make the insurance claim, then we start
• 37:45
  Speaker 13: getting into the crime area. It's not a crime to
• 37:48
  Speaker 13: provide for your family, even if you leave them a
• 37:50
  Speaker 13: week later nothing and lie to them about it. There's
• 37:53
  Speaker 13: no crime there unless someone tries to get the insurance
• 37:55
  Speaker 13: money and claims he's deceased. And if the wife tried
• 37:58
  Speaker 13: to do that, now I would venture she's probably criminally
• 38:01
  Speaker 13: liable because there's enough evidence to know this guy's probably
• 38:05
  Speaker 13: alive somewhere.
• 38:07
  Speaker 9: A shocking update and a missing kayaker case months after
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: his kayak has found overturned authorities suspect Ryan Borgwart may
• 38:17
  Speaker 9: be alive and far from home.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Barry Golden joining me, former Senior inspector US Marshall Service translation,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: they go all over the world finding fugitives now owner
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: of Golden Consulting and Investigations at goldendashci dot com.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Barry, I think Gregory Morse.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: While I don't like what he's saying, I think a
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: lot of what he is saying is correct. I also
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: agree with him that unlike many other cases where we
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: hear about the US Marshals tracking down killers all around
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: the world, you know, like Caitlin Armstrong who murdered a
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: pro bicker over jealousy, like McLeod who murdered his girlfriend.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: There's so many that are brought back to the US
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: for justice.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I don't see the US marshals spending the money to
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: go halfway around the world with Uzbekistan with him. We
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: don't have any type of treaty spending all that money
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: to bring home basically a deadbeat dad who lies to
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: his wife and family and costs probably over one hundred
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars search efforts.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Do you think they'll really look for him?
• 39:35
  Speaker 11: Let me throw this at you, Dancy, Okay, you don't
• 39:39
  Speaker 11: think the sheriff's office in Watertown wants to get this
• 39:41
  Speaker 11: guy back on US soil if he is over in Europe.
• 39:44
  Speaker 11: Absolutely they do. If you look to the right of
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: the sheriff that was standing there at that press conference,
• 39:48
  Speaker 11: it looks like an FBI agent.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: So how about this?
• 39:51
  Speaker 11: And I disagree with Greg because you can make this
• 39:55
  Speaker 11: what you want to get this guy back on US soil.
• 39:57
  Speaker 11: If this guy said that his passport was lost and stolen,
• 40:00
  Speaker 11: then he signed a DS sixty four, which is a
• 40:03
  Speaker 11: passport form that says I lost her my passport was stolen.
• 40:06
  Speaker 11: At the bottom of that form, it says all the
• 40:09
  Speaker 11: information on this form is true and accurate under the
• 40:12
  Speaker 11: penalty of perjury. So he may have committed a federal
• 40:16
  Speaker 11: crime by committing a false statement on a government document.
• 40:22
  Speaker 11: So if that is true, the FBI can get a
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: warrant for his arrest. Now you can get a provisional
• 40:27
  Speaker 11: arrest warrant, and you can get him back from Uzbekistano,
• 40:31
  Speaker 11: wherever he may be in Europe. I think absolutely why
• 40:34
  Speaker 11: would the FBI be involved if they don't get this
• 40:38
  Speaker 11: guy back and try to get back some restitution, because
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: he cost the sheriff's office thousands and thousands, probably north
• 40:44
  Speaker 11: of one hundred thousand dollars. Like you just said the
• 40:47
  Speaker 11: other thing.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I Barry Golden. Oh wait, go ahead, there's more.
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 11: I mean Watertown is two hundred and twenty miles from
• 40:54
  Speaker 11: the Canadian border. Okay, you know they ran his name
• 40:58
  Speaker 11: in Canada.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, your death one oh one.
• 41:01
  Speaker 11: You don't use your real name, all right, You've got
• 41:03
  Speaker 11: to be smarter than a fifth grader. Okay, so let's
• 41:07
  Speaker 11: start with that. Then he gets to Canada. How did
• 41:09
  Speaker 11: he get to Canada. He didn't take an uber It's
• 41:11
  Speaker 11: a two hundred and twenty dollars train ride to Canada.
• 41:15
  Speaker 11: Did he have help. Does somebody know his dirty little
• 41:17
  Speaker 11: secret that's going to keep it a secret? Who knows?
• 41:20
  Speaker 11: But the fact of the matter, he's in Europe he
• 41:22
  Speaker 11: might be understand. So I think the Sheriff's office, working
• 41:26
  Speaker 11: with the FBI the Office of International Affairs, can get
• 41:29
  Speaker 11: an arrest warrant for making false statements on a government
• 41:32
  Speaker 11: document and get his tail back here to the US.
• 41:36
  Speaker 11: I'm sure his wife wants to slap up upside the
• 41:38
  Speaker 11: head and say, what the hell were you thinking? His
• 41:40
  Speaker 11: kids are probably went from being sad to being disgusted
• 41:43
  Speaker 11: at this guy. So I think they do whatever they have.
• 41:46
  Speaker 11: They've already spent enough money, thousands and thousands of dollars
• 41:49
  Speaker 11: trying to recover his body that was obviously not there.
• 41:53
  Speaker 11: They're going to get this guy back. You think the
• 41:55
  Speaker 11: Schriff's office is just going to say, Ah, he's in Europe,
• 41:58
  Speaker 11: he's gone.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: You know case No, Barry Golden, everything you said is
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: amazing and correct. Billy Boomhauer, who just happened to talk
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: to this guy on the waterfront and get basically a
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: confession from him. Billy Boomhower, you can find her on
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: instag at Authentic Alpha Coo Billy. The last thing any
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: woman needs is mister indecisive. I just want to ask
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: you one more time, what was your sense of this
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: guy and what.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Do you think about being state's witness Number one?
• 42:39
  Speaker 15: I would say the whole interaction seems very strange, and
• 42:43
  Speaker 15: it seemed like he already kind of had his mind made.
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: Up about things, so when he was asking me questions,
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: I feel like he like visically did not want to
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: hear what I was saying. He just wanted me to
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: pretty much tell him like, yes, just go to his
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: back is stand and leave your family. And it just
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: seemed also like he just kept smiling to himself, So
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: I feel like he was almost like smug in a way.
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: But I feel like it could have just been like
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: a confession right before he decided to disappear.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: The Wisconsin dad who fakes his own death on a
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: kayaking trip to be with his online Uzbekistan fleeing gets
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: just eighty nine days behind bars. Well, he's got a
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: lifetime trying to repair the relationship with his children, and
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: he lost a beautiful, loving, and faithful wife in the deal.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: That would be sentenced enough again, David, if you want
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: somebody else, run I'd be mad if you didn't go.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: But don't spend the children's tuition money. Oh now, he says,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: he quote deeply regard rats his actions and the quote
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: pain I caused my family and friends. You know what,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: You had an international flight to think about regret. You
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: could have turned right around when you touched down in
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Eastern Europe.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: But did you do that. No, you went and tried
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: to sling up with another woman. I don't feel sorry
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: for you. I don't.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: He regularly communicated with this woman, professing his love and
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: desire to create a new life with her.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: He reversed his vast sect to me.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, that was a dirt sandwich. He applied for
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: a replacement passport, claiming the original one was stolen. Oh,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: opened a new bank account, inquired about transferring funds to
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: foreign banks, stealing his children's money. You know what, I
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: don't think eighty nine days is really enough for this guy.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: We wait as just as unfold. Goodbye, friend,