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Talking With Ray, Documentarian Who Created the GamerGate Documentary Airplay | Fireside Chat 241 · Honey Badger Radio

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Hello everyone, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian and
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this is the fireside Chat. On today's fireside chat, we're going to be
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I'm going to try and do like a series of talks with people involved with
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Gamergate. Gamergate is ten years old. This year, it will be ten
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years old, and apparently it's been like resurfacing in the news. So I
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think it's just a weird sort of coincidence that this stuff is going on.
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And today I got with me Ray, if it's okay, because I see
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your name there, Ray, who is the documentarian responsible for a really great
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movie that I think you guys should check out if you can. It's called
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Airplay, am right, and you can watch the full first part of it,
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which is like about an hour long. I think it is well an
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hour and forty five minutes, but there's also another half of the movie,
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maybe even more, because it's about two hours and some change on his Patreon
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and it's totally worth it. In fact, if you guys have been following
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us for a while, Honey Badger Radio and the ICMI make a cameo in
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the second half. Well not just a cameo. We're actually featured a little
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bit, so welcome to the show. Ray, thank you for having me.
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Thank you welcome. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate you coming on.
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So I did like a part of an interview with you on the other channel,
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which is Honey Badger Arcade, which is more about gaming and culture.
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But but I think that the people who watch us should like on this channel,
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should also know. So just we're just putting you guys out there more
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so if we're able to you know. So, I do already see people
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in the chat giving it complimentary comments. Mangaka over on Rumble What's Up Rumble
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Gang says pretty good overall, I'd say it's worth the watch, and mister
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O three O three says as awesome. I'll give it a watch. Yeah,
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I totally agree that you should check it out. He is basically making
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the first part of it available to anyone, which I'm playing in the background
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right now, and there is definitely some stuff that you probably have forgotten that
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happened in this in this particular time period, and I would definitely check it
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out. But the second half is totally worth it too. Just join his
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patreon and I'm going to put the patreon in the in the description of this
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video and uh yeah, show him, show him some love and you know,
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check it out because it's totally worth it. So let me ask you,
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uh, Ray, how how how much feedback have you gotten? Have
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you gotten much feedback about this since you released it? Yes, I've been
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getting plenty of feedback, plenty of new patrons and again getting a lot of
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likes on social media, but not mostly positive, some who some negative from
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some who don't even bother to watch the movie. But yeah, so far
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it has been mostly positive. I want to promote this more. Hopefully by
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the tenth anniversary of Gamergate, I can have some kind of official release on
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streaming networks and what not, possibly theatrical presentations. Hopefully by that by that
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time we'll have some kind of physical media release if we can get that,
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and yeah, hopefully it can. More people will sign up to the patreon
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and we'll be able to get that done by the by the latter half of
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this year. Would you say that the feedback was overall like positive negative,
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most mostly positive? And and what do you think about Okay, so you
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you're using the patreon, which I think you know it's totally worth the money,
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are are you planning on using some of the funds from the Patreon to
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essentially like make it into a theatrical presentation, like because I assume that costs
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money, right, Is that? Is that what your plan is? Yeah?
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Right now, I'm putting most of the Patreon funds into the further promotion
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and distribution of the film. I also want to get an original score commissioned
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and whatnot. I've got merch on a t spring store that I haven't promoted
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much, mostly T shirts and whatnot. Oh merch Yeah? What what?
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What are some of the designs I mean or or or they're not available yet.
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They're available on the t spring store. I'll I'll send you over.
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I'll send you the link. It's do you have a favorite design? Pretty
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much? Just have one design now with Oh, what's the design? It's
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the poster design that you can see the Patreon And is it the artwork that
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Cukurio made or yeah, I hope okay, so yeah, I hope to
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commission more once well, you know, I know kukurioh if you need to
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get in touch with him, he still he still makes lots of artwork,
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and I think he loved doing all of the Vivian James stuff. I mean,
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he and I were both making a lot of Vivian James art and uh,
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but he made those comics and it was like constant. So you know,
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if you wanted to, you know, like reach out to him,
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I can put you in touch with him. I'm in are you're already in
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touch with him? Yeah, he's the one who I commissioned him to illustrate
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the poster image pretty much the thumbnail image that you see I see okay,
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yeah, yeah, okay cool. And so so you said that you got
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mostly positive feedback, Well, let me just for people who don't know,
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what was your reasoning for making this documentary to begin with? Like why did
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you decide that you wanted to make this Well, I saw the media representing
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misrepresenting a group of people in a way that was defamatory, and I wanted
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to do something to counteract that. That's one reason. And another reason was
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that it was Gamergate was the first controversy to occur almost entirely online through social
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media. So there's just a wealth of videos and articles and social media posts,
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live streams and whatnot that could be done, that could be assembled into
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a feature film that could be if assembled into a feature film. So I
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kind of took it as a challenge to create a film entirely out of that
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found material. Mm hmm, I'm being told that. Well, earlier I
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was told that there's some echo. Let me know if there still is in
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the chat. It shouldn't be of an issue now, but let me know
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if there if it still is. So you were like, did you have
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ever have a personal experience with Gamergate, like maybe some interaction on social media,
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maybe some article, maybe even like a product that you liked or disliked
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that was being pushed on you, Like, do you have any personal experience
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with this? Well, my introduction to the subject could not have come from
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a less sympathetic source. At the time, I was a frequent reader of
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Badass Digest, which was the official film blog of the Alamo Draft House,
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and as you know, the editor in chief of the time was on Devin
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Farasi, and at the beginning of the controversy, the first things that they
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wrote about it were just these incredibly scathing, very very very negative pieces that
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I had no context for. So it just seemed extraordinarily hateful, with comparisons
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to racist like the Clan and Nazis and whatnot, and it all just seemed
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just see, it seemed to come out of nowhere. Mm hmmm. So
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I thought of doing some research into it and had some communication with Devin Feraci
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on Twitter. He insulted me and blocked me, which is which was very
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upset, Which was kind of upsetting at the time. Did was he like
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someone that you admired? Maybe because I know that one of the things that
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you know when you're when you're kind of an introvert and maybe you have like
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a hobby that you occupy your time with and you grow to admire the people
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who are you know, you see as a kind of advocate for what you
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do, Like you know, Adam Sessler. People would always say that he
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was like, you know, he wasn't like those other games journalists because he
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would stick up for the gamer, you know, angry Joe, they would
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say that, And so you build like a kind of I wouldn't say idolization,
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but like, you know, respect or admiration for someone that you see
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is like they're sort of like destigmatizing your hobby. And is this did you
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feel this way about Devin Farasi? Well, I had admired the guy's work.
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I didn't know that he had a reputation for being kind of a jackass.
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Sure, yeah, that's what I mean. Like it's like, don't
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meet your heroes, right, Yeah, Well I wouldn't call him a hero,
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but I did, no, but I did admire the guy his work.
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He's a really pretty talented writer. And a lot of the other people
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over at Badassed, I they just they're talented writer. His film krit Hulk.
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He's one of the personalities who used to be over there. He wrote
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a pretty good, uh book about screenwriting that I bought, that I bought.
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And he was another one of those most vociferous voices against gamer Gate.
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And there was a there was a and as you might know, Devin Farasi
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was later outed as for yeah, for having committed some kind of like sexual
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harassment or something. Yeah. Yeah, was it? Was it really serious
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or I had like a I can't remember, but I do vaguely remember something
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like that. Yeah, it was, Yeah, And it was kind of
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expected by me because his because his like responses to gamer Gate were so hateful,
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so so vosa us that I can't I couldn't help but assume that it
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was that it was that he had something to hide, and no doubt he
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did so. Yeah, I it was through them that I was first introduced
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to gamer that I was first introduce us to Gamergate. It wasn't the first
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time I was introduced, and also they were it wasn't the first time I
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was introduced to Anita Sarkisian. I was a follower of Thunderfoot and many of
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the other new atheist types, and they were very and they did a pretty
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good job of arguing against TJ. Kirk, the amazing atheist. They were
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very did a very good job of count making the counterpoint to Sarkisian's claims and
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that and the more the press put her on a pedestal, the more I
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just thought that this was suspicious because as you can see by most recent tweet
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that one of my most recent tweets that has been blowing up got over two
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thousand likes in two days. Yeah, and it's where I just really lay
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into Anita Sarki. I just really lay into Anita Sarkisian because her criticism is
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just playing terrible. It is and even by feminist standards. And it's the
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fact that this is the one that this is the person that the press decided
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to prop up as the feminist standard in video games and media just really kind
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of disgusted me. So I decided to do more research into gamer data and
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found that the media, that the image presented by the media, by most
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of the mainstream media outlets, were completely inaccurate. I'm in gamer gamer Gate
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is quite possibly the most diverse creative community in terms of just race, gender,
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sexuality, uh and and politics that I've ever seen. And then to
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escapegoat them, escapegoat them as just a bunch of right wing white male misogynists,
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was I just thought was disgusting. It was, and it wasn't the
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first time that I was that I've seen this kind of behavior on the part
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of the media, just completely just completely denigrating an entire group of people.
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I live on Long Island and my first real documentary project right out of college
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was a documentary about the Shorm Nuclear power plant where I live on Long Island,
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New York. It ran four billion dollars over budget before being shut down
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without ever any without producing a single megua of power, and that was mainly
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because of public outcry about concerns regarding safety standards and whatnot. There was a
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lot of fear. Sure, yeah, against nuclear power. Well, I
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think there still is in a way public Yeah, And I found and it
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wasn't really a problem because and from what I found in my research, it
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wasn't really a problem of experts not communicating to the public of what the science
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was, what the it wasn't Also, so you're saying that people were afraid,
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but but there was probably something that should have been communicated and the well,
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the but the idea is that the experts of the nuclear physicists or whoever
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did it's not that they didn't do a good job of communicating the issue.
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Press that was doing that was working pretty much in a quid pro quoa way,
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not in a way, but really kind of perpetuating a narrative that was
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very beneficial to some that was very beneficial to fossil fuel interests. And they
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were the one and fossil fuel and fossil fuel interests were part of the we're
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really on board with the narrative that the press was perpetualting, this fear based
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narrative that the press was perpetuating. In our research, we were me and
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my journalist collaborator, we were able to find a full page ad that was
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printed in news Day against the shorm plant, saying in big type solar not
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nuclear, and in little and in little type right underneath that saying paid for
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in the public interest by the Oil Heat Institute of Long Island. And ah,
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yeah, that ad found its way in the documentary Pandora's Promise, directed
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by Academy Award nominated filmmaker Robert Stone, which you can watch on iTunes and
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many other streaming services right now. I highly movement it. And yeah,
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and as the filmmaking and as the project went on, as we were uncovering
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you just really really really obvious instances of journalistic misconduct on the part of press.
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I was really taken back by my journalist collaborators, just excuses that he
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was making for these people things that were just very clear and obvious instances of
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journalistic malpractice. So and that led to a falling out, and that led
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to us and to a suspicion that there is a kind of on my part,
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that there is a kind of unspoken fraternity, a kind of unspoken partnership
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between a lot among journalists, that there is just a kind of mentality that
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you don't criticize your own Yeah, right, it's like it's like this click
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thing. Yeah. And so when gamer Gate came up and it was a
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controversy involving journalists, right, you're basically you basically had you had a kind
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of encounter with journalists behaving badly before gamer Gate happened, and like I was,
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I said this on a stream I did earlier today, your pattern recognition
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kicked in and you were like, wait a minute, I've seen this before
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and it's very similar, right, Yeah, that journalists have a habit of
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defending other journalists. And so when a controversy within the video game space,
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and I'm a gamer myself, I've played games. I've played video games all
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my life and kept up with the coverage of video games, even when during
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a period around college that I couldn't invest so much in video games, I
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always stayed on top of the news about them. Sure that when this controversy
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came down in the video game in space, I was. I was personally
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informed about the history of the games press out. These controversies about you know,
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whether there is corruption in the press have always been talked about. I
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knew that was always going on. So I so thesezations of misogyny and these
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attempts by the greater mainstream press to kind of defend the gaming press really kind
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of sounded hollow in mine really kind of sounded hollow in my estimation. Yeah.
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Yeah, So, so you had some first an experience with this journalistic
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practices being not quite up to snuff, probably based on your education and your
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interest in I mean, like, did you go to school to be well
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first of all, before I ask you this question. Everybody, welcome to
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the show. If you're new. I see that people are like coming in
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and watching. I am talking with ray of at airplay doc on Twitter.
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There's a link in the description to his Twitter as well as his video.
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It's a documentary on Gamergate, but it's only part one. Go to his
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patreon. There is a link in the description of the video that my video
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links to, but I'll also add it in the low bar after this is
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over, so you guys can just like cut to the cut to the chase
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and we are discussing Gamergate because game gets ten years old. This is a
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good documentary. I recommend it. I paid his Patreon for the other half
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and it's totally worth it. I think it's better than the first half,
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so I would definitely check it out. He's hoping to release it in theaters.
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I think it's you know, some people might say like that this is
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just about video games, but it's obviously not. It's just it's a it's
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it's not about that, really. I mean this specifically is, but it
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is a bigger conversation that I think is important to have. And we at
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Honey Badger Radio were pretty invested when it was happening, not just because we
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are also gamers, but also because we could see, you know, what
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was happening in gamer Gate, to the UH, to the audience, to
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the customer base, to the gamers, the people who built and supported and
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invested in this hobby were being attacked by the people who they're just tourists.
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I mean, let's be real, they're tourists. They didn't really want to
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do this. They were hoping to be journalists of a greater stripe, you
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know that they thought they were they could do something greater than this. They
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just had to start somewhere, and I think that's how we got here.
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So check out his links in the description, and you know, be sure
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to send us a super child by going to feed the Badger dot com forward
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slash just the tip if you want to send us a comment, ask a
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question of Ray and also please support our fundraiser. We are still actively doing
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the fundraiser right now and that is also at feedbadgel dot com forard slash support.
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Thank you. All right, let's continue. So you went to school.
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Did you want to be like a filmmaker, a documentarian? Did you
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have something else in mind? Like what was the why do you want to
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do that? Filmmaker? Mainly? Yeah, I've just always had a lifelong
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interest in media, and just it was me My degree covered mostly film,
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but I had a lifelong interest in film, TV, movies, whatever,
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any kind of media so mm hmm, and and also mass media. I've
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always been interested in the way that media can perpetuate narratives and you know,
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in some ways deceive or convince people of what is or is not really happening.
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So I was pretty so prepped for this controversy that it was something that
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I've really been keenly interested in for much of my entire life. Yeah,
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so, what what were some unexpected discoveries you made while you know, essentially
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putting this together with because I mean you were you knew about it when it
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started, and you were sort of like gathering you know, archiveal information,
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videos, articles, blogs, whatever you get your hands on so that you
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can like create essentially a timeline of events, and you were using Grimachew's book
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as sort of like a framework. But were there any things that you discovered
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that you that sort of like, I don't know, change you in some
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way or or did you did you? Did everything shake out pretty much how
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you expected? And you should probably mentioned that I pretty I pretty much used
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James Desborough's book Inside Gamergate as the narration for this film, so I was
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pretty much going off of what he was saying, what he was saying,
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and what I could recall, So there was not too much Uh, there
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were not too many surprises when making the documentary. Yeah, I was there
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well in terms of the actual information that the case. It's probably some of
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my favorite discoveries were just the were just the culture and creations around gamer Gate
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because there were just so many created, so many creative works, Like we've
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mentioned the artwork of of is it Cucurio cu Courio, Yeah, yeah,
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Cucurio, And there is a lot of gamer Gate artwork. Cucurio was probably
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the most prolific, but but there was some there's uh, I have a
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vague recollection of somebody who actually went on to work on like professionally and it's
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like a Vivian and she's holding a torch. It's really really like professionally done.
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There was definitely a lot of really great art that came out of this,
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Yeah, I believe that's in the second part as well, and a
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lot of music. You can see Doctor random erym is in the There is
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a lot of Doctor Random Ercam music and a lot of random Ercam music.
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Rucca, Ruka Ali and some others to Chris Raygun had a couple of songs
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on there. Yeah. Yeah. Recai Enough had had no familiarity with gamer
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Gate. He was just no, no, I know, because it just
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so happened. But there was This is the thing about Gamergate, it not
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people who contributed in a way. They may not have been aware of it,
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or it came a bit later. Like the one song by Rucca was
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the Sargon song. And of course Carl was involved from the start. You
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know, at that time we used to have him on our show pretty regularly,
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along with Oliver Campbell and James Desbrow and others. They were sort of
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regulars, honestly. Yeah, so yeah, it's kind of weird because like
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Carl's doing like completely different stuff now. It's just it's weird. Like how
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like this I think was a kind of like, you know, like a
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watership moment for people. I don't know if you agree with that. I
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mean, I know it seems trivial, but yeah, and I still follow
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and still follow some of them to this day, like Shoe on Head,
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Chris Reagan, Carl Benjamin, as you mentioned, and mostly everybody who was
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at VIDCAN twenty seventeen maties as many people who were like in that, who
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were really in that image. Because not only was it not only was it
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a alter not only was it a notorious altercation between Anita Sarkisian and Carl Benjamin,
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who was a well known figure e celeb within Gaborgate at the time,
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it was kind of the accumulation of this culture that really kind of defined itself
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in those few days, a culture that a real honest counterculture to what is
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the dominant culture. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know we were there
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VIDCN twenty seventeen. Yeah, I mean, well obviously we recorded after Carl
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was I guess you could say, like verbally called out. I was sitting
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right next to Dave Cullen, who was also there, and honestly, I
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haven't seen Dave since, but we you know, a lot of people like
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look at VidCon twenty seventeen and they mostly just reflect on those kind of sound
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bites and those like highlight moments. But for me, is there with my
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wife and we were just hanging out with people that we, you know,
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have talked to online forever. It was just like, you know, I
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don't know, it was it was just hanging out with friends. You know,
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That's how I saw it. So I got to hang out with Dave
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Cullen, and he and I are you know, we don't see each other
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anymore, but I think we're pretty close. We talk on telegrams sometimes and
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yeah, I don't I don't regret it. You know, he's a good
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dude. So it's it's just nice to think about that. Bud Babe dnser
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Babe be Dancer says, Hello, what is this channel about? Thank you?
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This? This is Honey Badger Radio. I might as well just tell
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you. Uh, this is a live streaming channel for Honey Badger Radio,
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which is also a YouTube channel we talk about we are creative people, artists
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and musicians and comedians and even like filmmakers. But on this channel we talk
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about mostly the issues facing men and boys. But this, but we also
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talk a lot about things like censorship and media bias. And this is kind
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of what this show is about. Is I'm speaking with Ray here. He
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made a great documentary called Airplay am you can watch not now because you're you're
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here, so stay with us. But after the show is over, go
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to the link in the description and watch his documentary about gamer Gate, because
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if you don't know anything about it, you should. So. Uh,
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Senior six says, Gamergate like our Vietnam seems like forever. Son, let
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me tell you about gamer Gate. No, it all started with a gorilla.
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No, but huh just laughing. Oh yeah, so so anyway,
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yeah, so the air Sorry, that was that was a good time.
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So what I was gonna say is, oh, yeah, so have you
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heard the news? And this is actually since I talked to you, apparently
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it's gamer Gate too. Now do you know about this? Yeah? And
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this is something about can you maybe you will document this as well? We'll
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get a sequel to your movie. Is this about localization is that is that
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what? Okay, so tell people a little bit about it in case they
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don't know. Oh, well, I don't know too much about it,
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but it is there has been I've not been involved in it too much,
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but there has been controversies going on within the anime community that about how a
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how a how work fandom gets translated from Japanese to English, and that there
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are instances where translators have been putting in their personal politics, memes and just
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kind of just their own cultural worldview in anime where it didn't already exist.
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Now, if you're a if you're a fan of if you've been a fan
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of anime going along back, you know that they're these or even just films
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in general, that there are issues when you translate a work that was originally
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in a different language to another language, that things get lost in translation.
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Things don't oh the references and expression and cultural references and expressions and languages don't
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always fit one to one within a when you're translating a work. Yeah,
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this goes even back to even back to film, like there's some like some
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foreign language films that when they were dubbed in English, that that kind of
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really changed the emotional bearing of it, like one of this is going to
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get a show the film this sinyass side of me, the film nerd side
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of me. Where there is one of the best films that I've ever watched
39:25
is in mor Bergmann's Winter Light, and it's about a Lutheran priest who believes
39:35
that his lack of faith contributes to the suicide of a parishioner. And there's
39:40
comes a moment in the film where he's just got back from informing the man's
39:49
wife about his suicide and she has to go tell to her children, and
39:53
he's in the car with his ex what And he's in the car with his
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ex wife regretting every single moment in his life up to that point. And
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in the Swedish in the original Swedish, he says, you know, my
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parents always wanted me to become a priest. Just we're really impactful moment.
40:19
And in the English dub, which is on the Criterion DVD which you can
40:23
get, he says, my parents forced me to become a priest and oh
40:29
that's yeah, that changes it a lot. Yeah, and so yeah,
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you can imagine that. And I assume that you prefer the original Swedish version.
40:42
Yeah. Yeah, Mainly I prefer the to watch things in the original
40:49
language whenever I can, with the exception for Kaiju movies and kung Fu movies
40:57
because that you're probably not miss much with Kaiju movies. Yeah, yeah,
41:05
I guess, yeah, well I I I prefer to watch things in the
41:09
original language. The thing is, the localization is not limited to dubbing,
41:14
though I think they change the subtitles too, And it's not limited to anime.
41:21
It's uh, basically Japanese film media, whether it's anime or you know,
41:29
like a live action film. And it's also I know that there are
41:31
examples of this in video games as well, like Japanese video games, where
41:35
they're like adding in sort of like things that are culturally unique to you know,
41:43
the West, and they're and and they're not even like necessarily things that
41:47
we would consider normal here either. It's just like the way that they're sort
41:52
of like pushing you know, this this kind of progressivism into our media.
41:59
I mean, I don't know if if I'm being fair or not, but
42:01
or just not translating anything at all, because yeah, I've seen instances where
42:08
a person is doing a comparison between the English translation and the Japanese video game,
42:15
and it's just you see them going through pages and pages of texts,
42:22
and in the American English release that it's just ellipses, ellipses, ellipses,
42:29
ellipsy. Oh yeah, I don't I don't remember what that was from.
42:32
But that gives me pause to think about all the times I've seen an ellipses
42:38
in the Final Fantasy games I've played. Yeah, over the years, that's
42:45
true. I have seen that a lot too, and I do wonder about
42:50
that. You know, there are there is a way to do this well,
42:52
because I have watched some Japanese shows where you know, if there is
43:00
something that is like culturally very very Japanese, they'll usually add a disclaimer that
43:06
defines it, like to give you the context, you know, like this
43:08
is in reference to this thing, and then that way you can I prefer
43:14
everything to be in whatever it was intended by the original creator, because that's
43:19
what art is, like, I don't want it filtered through somebody else.
43:22
So yeah, yeah, there's one instance I can think of off the top
43:30
of my head from from Osuman Gadio where there that's probably my favorite anime of
43:40
all ta of all Time where where one of the characters tomo Chan creates the
43:50
other members of the cast. Now, in the English translation, she's saying,
44:00
what's the story Morning Glory? It's a reference to an Oasis album,
44:05
but in the Japanese it was a reference to the band the group musical group
44:13
Morning Museum. Mm hmm, So trying to make a pun on their name
44:20
or reference. Oh I see, I can't recall it. But you know,
44:23
that's an instance where something doesn't really translate well from culture to culture.
44:30
So you have to take something. You have to like make some kind of
44:34
close, yeah, estimate to change it or you know, so that it
44:38
makes more sense. Yeah, I got a super Chow from Richard Vierre.
44:45
He gives us five dollars and says, Gamergate two return of this Sarkisian.
44:51
Thank you, Richard. I don't think ahead Chow. I just got to
44:57
ask chow. Is that a reference to the sonic the Hedgehog chow or Richard
45:04
Bierre says gamer get to return of this Sarkisian. What do you mean?
45:07
Who are you talking about? The Chao the chaoh oh Chow. We're not
45:16
familiar with Chow. I don't know if it is is that just let us
45:24
know it is. Thank you for the super Chow Richard. So we got
45:32
we got like ten minutes so and then we're gonna go to the Patron show
45:37
and talk to the patrons once again. Guys. Uh, follow this gentleman
45:42
on Twitter. It is at airplay Doc. There's a link in the description
45:46
and watch his video. Go to his Patreon. Support this movie if you
45:51
can. It's uh. I thought it was really well done. So let
45:58
me ask you. This is gonna be a bit of a weird question.
46:00
But since you found out that we were involved in Gamergate, but our content
46:07
normally is not about that, what are your thoughts on on Honey Badger Radio
46:15
and what we do? Well, I don't really listen to it. Well,
46:22
I don't really listen to it much. Yeah, so fair enough.
46:27
So so then what have you wondered, like what our connection to this is?
46:35
Like why did we host people and talk to them and stuff? Not
46:40
really? No, okay, Oh he's asking for the name of the super
46:46
chow. Oh, super chow. Oh. I see what you mean.
46:50
Okay, Uh, it's Alison. I'll explain. So in YouTube we have
46:55
super chats, right, you put a little money in and since our website
47:02
for posting, you can send superchats, but they're not done through YouTube.
47:07
They're done through our website. And the website is called Feed the Badger.
47:13
So Alison called them super chow, so chow like like chow like food,
47:20
So it's like feeding the badger, right, So it's so that's where the
47:22
chow comes from. Yeah, yeah, so it's your own proprietary you're yeah,
47:31
our own yeah, our own system for that. It's Alison system really,
47:37
so you don't have to share anything with the third party exactly. Well,
47:42
there is still I think that we do super chows. Still there's a
47:46
little that comes off the top because of the processing system. You know,
47:52
takes a little money, but it's not like super chats. Like super chats,
47:55
I think Google takes like thirty percent or fifty percent and Rumble takes like,
48:02
you know, twenty percent or something like that. But superchilds we almost
48:07
get one hundred percent. I think it's like a very small percentage. So
48:10
Alison prefers super child Also, if you do superchilds, you have a lot
48:15
more characters to work with, so you know, you can send a longer
48:17
message. I think there's a character limit on super super chats and rumble rants,
48:25
but super childs you can like send I wouldn't say, like, you
48:29
know, a huge but some people send pretty big super childs though, like
48:32
very long, you know, like the one well, yeah, this one
48:37
is short that Richard sent, but we do get longer ones and they go
48:40
into our discord so you know, you could make like requests with it and
48:46
send links with it and things like that. So also, super childs are
48:52
not subject to YouTube's algorithmic adjustments, so you know, like sometimes super chats
48:59
get censored, but YouTube still takes the money depending on the content. Oh
49:07
okay, that's that. That that's a little bit of backstory on that.
49:10
Now I understand what the context did uh or this is asking if I've seen
49:19
The Morning After by Christopher Hitchens. No, but I am familiar with Christopher
49:24
Hitchens. If he didn't notice, I opened the film with a Christopher Hitchens
49:30
quote. Oh so you're looking at the chat. Yeah, yeah, it's
49:34
a it's a documentary about the death of Princess Diana. Yeah. Uh,
49:39
he's asked me to watch it, but I haven't had a chance I check
49:43
it out though, Yeah, so so when go ahead, Yeah, the
49:52
Hitchens quote in particular is I became a journalist partially so I wouldn't have to
49:58
rely on the press for informa. It's a good quote because I think it
50:01
really it early establishes that there is a different that there is a noticeable that
50:13
there is a difference between the press and the act of journalism. That and
50:20
that the two aren't always that the two aren't always in that, that that
50:29
I always uh in in in sync, that the two are not always distinct,
50:37
that the two are not always indistinguishable from each other. HM. I
50:44
consider I considered documentary filmmaking to be a separate at apart from journalism. As
50:52
so it's not saying that I myself am participating in an act of journalism.
51:02
I find documentary filmmaking to be a very different practice, very different art form.
51:14
When you're call yourself a journalist, you have to adhere to some kind
51:21
too far more rigorous standards. And that's part of the reason why this film
51:29
exists, is because there's a lot of people calling themselves journalists and not adhering
51:35
to any kind of standards. Yeah, I see what you mean. I
51:39
see what you mean. Hey, So I was going to ask you a
51:45
question I'm having trouble remembering it. Oh yeah about the theater. So so
51:53
you're because we got like five minutes. But this is a good opportunity to
51:57
bring up what you're hoping to do. So you've been getting some support,
52:00
and what you're hoping to do is put this film in theaters at least do
52:06
some screenings of it. So what I was going to mention is I think
52:09
this might be a good route to take or look into. I can think
52:15
of two instances of this. So years ago, there was a woman that
52:21
made a documentary about men's rights activists. It was called The Red Pill by
52:24
Cassie J. Are you familiar with Cassie J and The Red Pill? Yeah,
52:29
okay, you've seen the movie, yeah, oh okay. So Cassie
52:34
J was not able to do a you know, like a regular theatrical release
52:38
of the film, and none of the streaming services wanted to put it on
52:44
their platform, at least not at first. This was around twenty sixteen or
52:50
twenty seventeen as well, because before I was at VidCon, I was in
52:53
Australia and we were you know, Cassie J was there and she was on
53:00
an Australian news program that basically like dragged her over the coals over making this
53:07
movie to begin with. But what I'm getting at is though, in order
53:12
for her to get her film out there, she hosted screenings, but she
53:15
also had a way for people to host screenings in their own town, so
53:22
they could set up a stream like a way to screen the film in their
53:28
own home city. And I hosted a screening of her movie in Chicago,
53:35
and it was I you know, she had a way of setting it up.
53:38
I would ask that you look into it. Maybe you've already done this,
53:43
but if you did, I would do this for you as well.
53:46
I would. You know, I'm in Roanoke, Virginia. It's a small
53:52
city of like three hundred thousand people. But I bet I could get people
53:57
to come to the Grand in Theater and watch it it at least, you
54:00
know, like the first half or maybe even the full thing. I don't
54:05
know how you want to do it, but uh, but yeah, and
54:09
what what we what? I what we did? But the red pill is
54:13
because I went to a couple of screenings that we had won in New York.
54:15
We had one in la I think there was one in Texas, and
54:20
I did one in Chicago and I stayed after I introduced it, I hosted
54:25
it, we screened it, and then I took questions and comments after.
54:30
And I think that would be really good for your documentary. So I don't
54:37
know, I just wanted to put it out there, so you think about
54:39
it. But it worked out well for Cassie j and I think, Uh,
54:43
doctor Jordan Peterson also I was. I think it was maybe it was
54:49
his speaking tour, but he also was. I was trying to get him
54:53
in Chicago again for a speaking tour he was doing, and and that was
55:00
also a thing. So this is my point is is that I think this
55:04
is I don't know if you've considered this, but this is definitely a route
55:07
you can take. If you can get the theatrical release, we can help
55:09
you spread the word, you know. Sure, absolutely, I want to
55:15
do something something with this film for the tenth anniversary of Gamer Gay and Part
55:22
And one idea I've just had is to just have a theatrics to have some
55:30
kind of theatrical release and hopefully we can like have free Dorito's in Mountain Dew
55:38
for all that. Uh, that would be funny for sure. Yeah.
55:46
Yeah, we were giving out at the ICI twenty nineteen, which is also
55:51
ic My twenty nineteen was also featured in your in part two of your documentary,
55:55
and we were giving out milkshakes because at that time people were having shake
56:00
thrown at them, so so we were giving him out. All right,
56:06
So do you have any final things you want to say to the audience?
56:09
And then we're gonna go into the patron only content, so don't leave.
56:14
But if any final words for our audience, uh, other than watch the
56:19
film, watch airplay on patreon dot com slash Metalhead Films, and that's all
56:29
I have to say. Are you familiar? Did I already ask you this?
56:31
Are you familiar with Metalgate? Which was like yeah, it was a
56:36
very brief but very concurrent with Yeah, with Gamergate, and everybody ignored it.
56:45
Yeah. Well, I mean yeah, they were going after really the
56:49
wrong people at that point. But all right, and I got one super
56:52
chow from Richard Pierre. Thank you Richard. He gives us five dollars and
56:58
he says, how manyalists are standing in solidarity with Julian Assange? By the
57:01
way, I don't know, do you know? I know? Uh?
57:07
Matt Tayibe at rackets on substack Is has been very supportive of as Songe.
57:16
I know a few others, and you know, I don't really know many
57:24
more journalists. I know Vivek Ramaswami when he was running for president that he
57:32
was that he said the first day that the first thing he was going to
57:37
do on day one was part of Assange and that was really weird that.
57:42
Yeah, and yeah, he was the only politician who was. And I
57:49
think Andrew Yang has said that he would if he was president, he would
57:57
have pardoned Assange. But aside from that, it's weird that nobody is that
58:07
very few people within the journalistic profession are willing to speak up for him.
58:13
Yeah, make I guess mainly because they see themselves as part of the state.
58:20
They see themselves as part of the establishment. Yeah, it's quite possible.
58:27
Yeah, all right, Well, so we're gonna end the show here.
58:30
We're gonna go into the Patron show and hang out with the patrons.
58:32
So uh, please, like I said, Ray, if you can stick
58:37
around. If not, it's okay, but I'm gonna leave the rest of
58:40
you guys. I would definitely as that you check out all that all that
58:45
stuff. Are you still you still gain Uh do I still game? Yeah,
58:52
yes, I've been thinking of like starting live streaming, starting to streaming,
58:57
but I don't know what's the first thing to Well, what kind of
59:04
games do you like? Well, I've got let's see, I who all
59:15
kinds of games I really have? I actually have all of the video game
59:21
consoles I grew up with in the apartment where I live. Right now,
59:25
Well, we'll talk. We're going to get into this in the Patron show.
59:29
So hang in there because I want to talk about games. So if
59:31
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59:45
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59:50
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59:55
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