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Military Combat Veteran & Paratrooper Dr. Chase Spears on Progressive Ideological Destruction of the U.S. Military, COVID Mandates & Psychological Warfare · Unleashing Intuition Secrets

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Hello, everyone.
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It's Michael Jaco with Unleashing Intuition Secrets.
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We have Chase Spears with us today, a combat veteran like myself, and
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it's been-- it's an honor to have a combat veteran on to talk about, very
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insightful information that we all need.
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We're gonna give you his bio, and then we're gonna t- jump into some very
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interesting topics after we talk about a little, we kick a- kick it back and
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forth, some of our experience overseas.
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Chase Spears is a public intellectual, writer, and host of the "Finding
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Your Spine," which is great.
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I looked that over, Chase.
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That's good job over there.
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Podcast at the Herzog Foundation.
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A combat veteran and paratrooper, he served 20 years as a US Army public
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affairs officer before turning down promotion to lieutenant colonel
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as major promotable, believing he could do-- he could be- he could
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better defend the nation freed from the cultural restrictions
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placed on military communications.
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I agree with that completely.
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So his career spanned enlisted service through elite roles at the 55th Combat
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Camera Company, 4th Brigade Airborne, 25th Infantry Division, US Army Alaska
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headquarters, and Fort Leavenworth's Mission Command Training Program.
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Deployments included Kuwait, a combat tour in Afghanistan, and multinational
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training exercises in Canada, Mongolia, Jordan, and Australia.
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Passionate about military constitutional accountability, he's widely published
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in The American Mind Real Clear Defense, The Washington Post, and
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Red State, and has provided expert commentary to News Nation, The Gateway
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Pundit, and American Family News.
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Chase is married to his college sweetheart, Laurie, and they reside in
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Lansing, Kansas, with their five children.
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Dr. Chase Spears, thanks for coming on.
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Thank you for your service and thank you for your continued service.
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Mike, it's great to be with you, and I'm really excited about the chance to
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actually get to talk through these things with a, another combat vet so we'll
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know exactly where we're coming from.
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That's awesome.
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Yeah that's true.
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Now you're let's go over your experience.
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You came in as enlisted, that's pretty impressive, and made it
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all the way up to major, were ready to be a lieutenant colonel.
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Wow.
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And you gave that up to come out and talk about all the issues and problems.
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That's fantastic.
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Yeah, the plan was never to actually commission as an officer.
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The plan was initially to come in, do one four-year enlistment.
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And I came in, enlisted, actually very nearly completed on my master's degree.
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Wow.
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And so I had a lot of friends and family members who were
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like, "You're insane, dude.
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Why wouldn't you commission?" And it was a very simple purpose.
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I wanted to be in public affairs.
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I wanted to be a military communicator.
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And in the Army, you can't commission into that.
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You have to enlist into it, and then if you want to transition
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into it later as an officer, you have to do that later in career.
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And I, so I knew if I commissioned, I'm needed the Army, they could
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put me anywhere that they want.
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And pretty much anywhere that they want was probably not what I was
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looking to do at that point in time.
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So I thought I was gonna do one four-year tour as an enlisted public
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affairs guy, because as, when, as when you enlist, you choose your job.
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That's in your contract.
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It's not needs of the service.
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It's this is what I signed up for.
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And my very first deployment in Kuwait, I'll never forget, my brigade commander
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caught me in line at the dining facility.
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Did, have you ever been on Camp Arifjan in Kuwait?
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I don't think, no not that one.
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Okay.
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So I was there on Camp Arifjan.
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It's a big base.
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And we're standing in line, they got the hand wash stations right outside the
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front door of all the dining halls in that- Yep ... that part of the world.
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And my brigade c- I'm over there this particular day by myself.
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Just work schedule worked out where the, I didn't have a battle buddy to go
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with, so I'm just over there by myself.
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My brigade commander spots me, and he says, "Spears, who are you sitting
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with?" I said, "By myself, sir. No one." He said, "You're sitting with
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me." And I'm like, "Yes, sir." E4 to O6.
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And he proceeded over the course of that lunch to make it abundantly clear to me
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that he expected to receive an application for Officer Candidate School from me.
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Nice.
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And so he got it, and the rest is history.
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What, what planned, what was planned as a four-year enlisted adventure
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turned into a 20-year career.
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Wow, that's beautiful.
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And I was kinda like that.
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I didn't have a career path that I just wanted to come in and play and, explore
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the world be a Navy SEAL and have fun.
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But throughout my whole career, all the way up until the end, I
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was always approached that you should, you need to be an officer.
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And in fact, there, there's one time it's "You're going to go to the Naval Academy,"
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and I was like no, sir." So I was like I want to experience in that," so it was
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that's a lot of, that's a lot of work to become an officer, I can tell you.
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It was easy being an enlisted guy.
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But once you go in to become an officer you take on a lot of responsibility.
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Now I started to get that as a senior enlisted, but the
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officer corps is fantastic.
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So I really salute you for doing that.
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Ha- and having that kind of as your goal and you reached your goal
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and you I love that So you had a little combat action in Afghanistan.
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What part of Afghanistan?
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I was in Khost Province our regional command east from 2011 through 2012.
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I was personally stationed on Forward Operating Base Salerno
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which is in Khost Province, sits up on a hill overlooking Khost.
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Yeah.
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Spelled K-H-O-S-T for anyone who may be less familiar with that area.
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And and very close to Pakistan.
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As a matter of fact, during the winter months when the air, when it was cold,
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and that's a nor- northern latitude, so it gets cold out there wintertime and the
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air doesn't hold as much moisture you can actually see the mountains of Pakistan,
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the snow caps not too far in the distance.
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So we were in a reasonably kinetic area.
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Yeah ... there, as a matter of fact, Forward Operating Base Salerno,
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its nickname was Rocket City.
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Yeah.
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A well-earned distinction.
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And as a matter of fact, when I was getting out of the Army and going to see
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some of the medical providers who just evaluate your physical condition on the
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way out, comparing it to when you came in one of the medical providers that
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I met with, he was looking at my file.
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I remember sitting there in his office, and I can tell he's a veteran
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'cause he's got some he's got a lot of Navy stuff actually on his wall.
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And I was like this is cool.
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I've never expected I'd be able to, just be in an office with a veteran
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who's now a civilian medical provider."
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So I just thought it was cool.
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And he's look- he's sitting there behind his desk flipping through my
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file, and he says, "Salerno, huh?" I'm like, "Yeah, you know of it?" 'Cause
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I'm looking at Navy stuff on the wall.
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He's "Oh, I know Salerno well." And yeah.
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Oh, nice.
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His stories matched mine.
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Fantastic.
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And Khost, that was we, when I was working in Pakistan for the CIA we had
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a lot of people that were coming over, giving us intel and so forth that were
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former and still may be terrorists.
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And they talked about, a lot about Khost.
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And the doctor that we started talking to that eventually led us
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to Osama bin Laden he worked on people that came out from Khost.
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So that was a very hot area.
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So good for you to be in that area and survive it,
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yeah.
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We were fortunate.
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We lost a total of nine members of our brigade on that tour.
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Oh.
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Yeah ... and I was the public affairs officer, so I had
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to write the death releases.
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Oh.
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And so you just, that, those were the worst days.
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Those were- I bet ... the absolute worst days.
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But but with that said a brigade of roughly 3,500, every life lost is a
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tragedy, but man I think how fortunate we were at the same time- Yeah
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... because, 'cause it was a hot area.
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And and I really I said on the record to The New York Times while
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we were there, I said, I don't take for granted the power of prayer."
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And they put that in the story, and I was like, "Oh yeah I'm sure
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someone's gonna think I'm some, whack-a-doodle." I didn't care 'cause
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I believed it then, I believe it now.
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Yeah.
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It's a tough life.
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And I lost some friends in Iraq and and Benghazi.
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We- Yeah
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we continue on, and honor those that have fallen.
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And another thing that we do, we continue on and bring information
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to everyone out there so they can see that it's not all, perfect.
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Just we're talking, everybody's like probably, "Hoo Yah, great for you guys.
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Ooh-ah." And that's great.
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We love that.
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We love the appreciation.
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That's not why we served.
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Why we served is for our country, for God, our families, and our country.
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There, there's definitely some issues, and that's why you got
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out to talk about some of those.
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Now, I looked over your s- your your stuff, and my God you're just
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crushing the narrative on this.
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I just love it.
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One of the things that interview topics that, that I'm looking at is military
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institutional capture and reform.
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And one of the first sentences is, "Progressive ideology's
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capture of the US military under the Obama-Biden administrations,
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including DEI policies that erode readiness and traditional values."
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So you, you were seeing this firsthand, as I was.
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Even when I was out, worked for the CIA, I saw a lot of this stuff coming
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in what are your thoughts on that?
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The military, like every other institution, naturally tries to
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drift left just because it's made up of human beings, and that's just
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the way that all institutions are.
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And those who stay grounded, those that stay rooted, they do so because
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there are strong leaders and strong stakeholders who refuse to give up
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the lines, and they're always pulling, and they're always re-hammering.
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They're always pulling, they're always re-hammering, they're always re-grounding.
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And the military has been one of those honor institutions.
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And we have this tradition, this progressive tradition for the last
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century called the progressive march through the institutions.
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And what that means is what you cannot accomplish by the ballot box, what
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you cannot accomplish legislatively you spread through the institutions:
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corporate institutions, religious institutions, governmental institutions.
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And that's the way progressives have worked to try to capture the US.
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A- And make no mistake about it, prog- the same progressive spirit that made
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the old Russia into the USSR, that made the old China into the CCP the,
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at, that same spirit that overthrows governments and bloody revolutions and
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brings in totalitarian regimes, those same actors, they want to do the same
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thing with the United States of America.
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But they knew we're a differ- different people of different
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spirit, of different thought, of different culture, of religious
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grounding, and a very open society, and so they went at the progressive
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march through the institutions.
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And one by one, they have fallen in the United States.
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But the military was one of those last few that stood-
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That would push back and that would hold to a basic conservative reference point,
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not because of domestic politics, but because in order to protect something,
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you have to have a desire to conserve it, to defend it, to perpetuate it.
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No man dies for a lie.
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No man or woman dies for something they do not believe in.
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And so thus the military w- was staffed by people who primarily believed in
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the founding values of the nation.
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And so the military was very good at, ev- at holding off against a lot of the
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progressive moves to try to flip it.
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And it's not to say it held off perfectly.
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There were a lot of intrusions.
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Even when I joined in '03, I could see some things.
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I'm sure you did as well during your career.
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But in large part, it was still a place where you could hold to basic traditional
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worldview and not be scandalized for it, because it was understood that
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worldview is what we're defending Because that is absolutely congruent
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with the founding and perpetuation of the United States of America.
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And Barack Obama recognized that the military was something that
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was going to have to be flipped.
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And he worked aggressively to push progressive doctrines
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and ideologies into the ranks.
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He understood that personnel is policy, and he moved out the last
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bastion of senior officers who were willing to stand against progressive
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moves, progressive revolutionary moves, and made it abundantly clear
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to the Force, "If you want promotion, this is the way we're going.
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Get on board or retire.
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Those are your two options." And those who would not get on board retired quietly.
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Those who wanted to continue getting promoted, they stayed in and they adopted
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those canons, and now we're 20 years later a- and we're getting the fruits of that.
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And the real watershed moment was 2010 with the overturn of
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the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy.
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And again, that had nothing to do with readiness.
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That had nothing to do with fairness.
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That had nothing to do with just letting patriots serve.
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That had everything d- to do with kicking down a major wall within the institution-
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... That, that held, that helped to hold the institution in place.
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Because when that wall fell, all of a sudden we were told openly, "You can't
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openly say that a family is just a man and a woman in a union before God.
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A family can be whatever the progressives tell you the family is." When you
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in- introduce that into the military and you're told, "Get on board with
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this or get out," what does that do?
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It affected esprit de corps.
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A lot of the great people got out.
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A lot of the good people who stayed in got quiet because
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they didn't wanna be persecuted.
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I felt a lot of that pressure as well, and that was really the big turning point.
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Of course, then the Biden administration really accelerated it to the point
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that when I got out in 2023, I was surveying the landscape, looking
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around, and I did not recognize the Force that I had joined 20 years later.
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It looked nothing like what I joined.
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It felt nothing like what I joined.
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And it was disturbing because I want to support it.
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I want to be a cheerleader for it.
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I was a spokesman for many years.
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But at the same time, I'm- that's amazing, the the historical perspective,
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I love that, of how humanity naturally moves to progressive ideals.
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Why is that?
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It's a sin nature problem.
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It's just the way it is.
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Hu- human beings inevitably, we as individuals even Christians you know-
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we are always struggling with our sin.
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And lo- look in Genesis, back to the Tower of Babel.
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Anytime you get large groups of people together, they tend to begin
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believing that they are the reason that there is strength, they are the
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reason there is unity, they are the reason that anything can be done.
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And Albert Mohler ma- a wonderful theologian and cultural commentator,
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says it this way "The closer you get to a coast a city or a university, the
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farther you get away from the land, and therefore the more, more progressive
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you tend to be." And and so anytime you get a large grouping of people
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together, inevitably the winds will try to pull those people to the left.
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That's just the sea in which we swim.
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And one person well-grounded in scripture can hold, rooted in a strong church
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can hold pretty well to the truth.
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But you get a body, a collective of people together around any kind of mission that's
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not just holding to the truth, and just gravity naturally pulls them that way.
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And we see it in all institutions.
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I'm not Baptist, but even look at the Southern Baptist Convention right now
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they are very much in a tug of war.
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Which direction is that institution going to go?
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There is a natural drift to the left, and there are- Wow ... there's
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an army of conservatives fighting.
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They're it's a ship in a storm, and they're fighting to trim the sails
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and to keep it on course but the winds are blowing another direction.
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A- and so will they be able to hold off?
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I don't know.
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And so we just se- we see this historically and I just happened
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to live through watching that kind of major turning point in the Army.
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Brilliant, Dr. Chase.
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You've definitely earned your PhD in leadership communication back in 2024.
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So wow very impressive.
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Now, warning signs.
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Warning signs are there.
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I had noticed them before I got out, and then while I was out and working
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with some of the guys, while I was in the CIA, 'cause we were working to
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basically take down Osama bin Laden.
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And warning signs of a captured military turning into an instrument of tyranny.
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Now, we kinda saw a little bit of that actually a lot of that during Biden's
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administration- ... 'cause they couldn't get enough people, or at least they
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said they couldn't get enough people.
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There wasn't enough qualified people to enlist in the Army anymore.
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So I was like, "Ah," or the military.
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I was like, "I don't think that's the reason.
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I think the people are like- Shying away from going into the military
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after all the craziness with the COVID vaccination scam and all that stuff.
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So what are your thing, what are your comments on that?
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The tyranny.
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Have we-- do you think that we're starting to turn that back around now?
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I do think there are a lot of strong moves being made to turn
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it back, and the temperature has definitely been taken down.
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And I give a lot of credit to Secretary of War Pete Hegseth and some of the
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folks that he has brought in on that.
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I think they've done yeoman's work on that.
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Let's rewind the tape a little bit.
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The Biden administration flat out made war on America's patriots-
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Yeah ... in every avenue they could.
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They did it in the military.
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They did it in the civic realm.
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They were arresting nuns.
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They were-- if you sat peacefully in front of a pro-life clinic,
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they were throwing you in jail.
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It was just-- And we saw the Justice Department release a report just
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in the last few days on this very topic, demonstrating in writing,
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in black and white, here are the receipts of how the J- of how the old
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Justice Department was weaponized.
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So things that, people like us were assured were just rumors.
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Here are the receipts.
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And it kinda goes back to the old saying of what's conspiracy theory
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difference between that and reality.
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Fi- In these days it's about five minutes.
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And so the-- we felt that very much in the military.
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We really had kinda three major things going against us in the
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military under the Biden regime.
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The very first was his choice of Secretary of Defense, which was Lloyd Austin.
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And for those who may be less familiar with who he was, Lloyd Austin was a
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Black man, is a Black man, I should say, rose to the rank of four-star
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general, which is the highest rank you can achieve in the U.S. military today.
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He he retired as the commander of U.S. Central Command, which is the combatant
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command responsible for all warfare happening across the Middle East.
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And in terms of pecking order, it's really the senior combatant command
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in the U.S. now Department of War.
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And so it is no small perch.
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One does not get to be the commander-in-chief of U.S.
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Central Command by being discriminated against by being downtrodden.
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One gets there because they have been advanced, and they have been
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able-- they've been pushed to the top of the spire, if you will.
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And that's where Lloyd Austin retired from as a four-star general.
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But then when he was brought back as a civilian to be the Secretary of
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Defense, his first action was to say the military is an extremist organization,
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it is full of extremists, and we need this long-term extremism stand down.
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And imagine what that was like for morale To be told you're-- we believe we're
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serving in an honor-bound institution, and to have your secretary of defense,
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a retired four-star general, come in and say, "Oh, it's an extremist
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organization." Apparently it wasn't extremist enough to stop him from- Agreed
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becoming a four-star and being given command of the senior US
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combatant command, one of the most powerful or- instruments of military
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power on the planet, arguably.
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And that-- we had that one thing from the get-go.
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It was just known that our secretary of defense was on board with the
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Biden administration's war on the patriots in the military.
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And that was really a front for trying to make things uncomfortable
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for conservatives so we would self-select our way on out.
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The second thing you had was the COVID mandate, which was illegal,
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immoral, unconstitutional.
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I cannot say enough bad things about it.
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It hurt- Thank you.
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I agree.
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Yeah
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... it hurt people.
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It put people- Yeah ... in impossible positions.
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People literally died.
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There are many with li- with vaccine injury, vaccine.
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It's not a vaccine.
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But I it's just these terms are what they are.
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With injuries- Yeah ... there are people with injuries from this thing
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who are military members who will never be physically whole, ever again.
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So that was the second thing.
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The
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third thing was the- So on, on those lines, Senator Johnson did a special
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report on that, and the numbers were staggering after- ... the vaccination,
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what happened to the military members, and they had a long list of everything.
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Even women, having all issues, losing their babies and all kind of crazy stuff.
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What did the military do?
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They didn't do, "Oh, thank you for letting us know that." They went in
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and shut all that down So all that information they just stopped that
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information from coming out after that.
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Wow.
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Unbelievable
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They didn't wanna talk about it.
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And I'll tell you, Michael I remember back before the the, c- I'm going to call it
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the shot because it was not a vaccine.
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Before the shot was an actual requirement, when it was allegedly voluntary-
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... I could see the, which way the wind was blowing on this, and I knew they were
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going to make it ma- mandatory because it was a politically directed thing.
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We all could see it clear as day.
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And so I went over to the hospital on Fort Leavenworth and went upstairs to talk to
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one of the nurses and just ask, "Hey, I don't know how I feel about this thing.
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I have a lot of questions.
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I'm not a medical scientist, but I am a doctoral candidate, so I know
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how to read research and I know how this stuff, the basic mechanics
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of how-" ... "this stuff works.
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And and I have some concerns, and I'd just like to figure out that if
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my concerns rise to the point that when this is mandatory that I want
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to request an exemption, what do you think that process will look like,
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just so I can walk in knowledgeably?"
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And she was pissed at me.
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She said, "Oh, there will be no exemptions.
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Eh, everyone's going to-" oh ... "take this." And a- it was just like I
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was, like how dare I come up and ask a medical professional a, a
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question about a medicinal topic.
22:25
It was very clear that, that- ... this isn't up for discussion.
22:28
I knew people who, again, when this was voluntary who were told,
22:33
"If you don't take this, you have to show up and get a memorandum of
22:37
counseling written to document-" Yeah
22:40
"your objection to it." And again, that was to pressure people.
22:43
It was to single people out- Wow ... while this is allegedly voluntary.
22:47
And so one thing I want to drive home to your listeners, and I say it to
22:50
everyone who will listen, this wasn't just any regular shot requirement.
22:55
We have many shot requirements, like every year you gotta get the flu shot.
22:57
Now under Hegseth you don't have to get the flu shot anymore.
23:00
But up un- Oh my
23:01
God, good man.
23:02
Wow ... up un-
23:03
up un- yeah, up until just a few weeks ago you had the annual flu shot, which
23:06
my last year I was like, "I'm done with shots and you people, so come and get
23:10
me if you want it," and they didn't.
23:12
But we're used to there being regular recurring shot requirements, and we
23:15
don't even think anything about it.
23:16
It's just built into us.
23:17
We go and get this.
23:18
Yeah.
23:19
But never once had I experienced or had I seen any other military member being
23:25
chased down by the hounds of hell for missing a shot or being late on a shot.
23:29
At worst case, it was a you came up due on your, what we called med pros in the Army.
23:35
It's the online medical tracking system that tracks when you had
23:37
your vaccinations to remember you're due for your next update.
23:42
At worst I've seen your commander say, "Hey, knucklehead, don't
23:45
forget to go get your shot."
23:46
I'd never I think this was 17 years in at this point in time,
23:50
18 years in at this point in time.
23:52
I'd never seen someone punished over missing a shot.
23:55
Never.
23:56
Never.
23:56
I'd never seen someone briefed to a general over missing a shot, ever.
24:01
This thing was different.
24:03
Yeah.
24:04
This thing was not about trying to maintain some sort of medical readiness.
24:09
This was about who will kiss the ring.
24:15
And it was tracked like nothing I have ever seen tracked before or since.
24:21
It was different.
24:24
Yeah, and you talk about the the myth of a apolitical military.
24:27
So it sounds that during that timeframe it was definitely political.
24:31
So it's very frustrating.
24:33
I remember saying, "There's no way that the, the military is gonna allow
24:37
this to happen." And boy, they did.
24:39
They pushed it hard.
24:40
I was very surprised.
24:42
It was amazing to me the number of generals and colonels and, and- ... and
24:47
on down the line who just got on board with this narrative of safe and effective,
24:51
will cure COVID, will will save America.
24:53
Th- these were theological statements that were made about it.
24:57
Yeah.
24:57
Th- think about, I don't know how much television you watch.
25:00
My wife and I don't watch a lot, but we have a guilty pleasure of
25:03
we watch an episode of Star Trek every night before bed, whether
25:06
it be like... we're just old- Nice
25:08
we're Trekkies, right?
25:09
It kinda helps us wind down.
25:11
So we'll watch it on Paramount, and we're going through Next Generation
25:14
now, which we do every three years, and- Good ... it'll be Deep Space Nine next.
25:18
We're geeks like that.
25:19
But the- there are always commercials, even on the streaming services,
25:22
and f- and pharma is one of the biggest purchasers- of television
25:27
and streaming advertising writ large.
25:29
Oh.
25:29
And and every single f- drug commercial I've ever seen in my life, e- even
25:34
treatments for acne, like two-thirds of the commercial space is, "Here are all
25:40
the side effects," because they're legally required to put all that boilerplate in.
25:44
"Here are all the side effects."
25:44
And the side effects all seem to always go up to including death, right?
25:49
And by the time they get to the end I'm like, "I ain't taking
25:52
that drug." And somebody's
25:52
speaking fast when they're saying
25:55
Yeah, exactly.
25:56
Including death.
25:58
And it's funny.
25:59
Do you remember, Michael, the during, like from 2020 to 2022,
26:02
all the COVID shot advertisements?
26:05
No disclaimer.
26:06
No disclaimer.
26:08
No side effects.
26:10
Nope.
26:10
No death.
26:11
No blah, blah, blah, blah.
26:12
It was, safe and effective, will cure COVID, blah, blah, blah.
26:15
And all the generals got on board with it.
26:17
I remember General Ted Martin was the commander of Fort Leavenworth
26:20
at that point in time, and that, that dude was a real clown.
26:23
Just an absolute clown.
26:25
Yeah.
26:25
And he had this- that, that was the work
26:27
of Bi- of, Obama and Biden.
26:28
They just took out all the good guys and, But- ... replaced them
26:32
They did.
26:32
This dude was a classic, was a class A jerk and person in the building,
26:36
but he portrayed himself on X like this kind of funny grandpa, and he
26:40
was always posting about his dog.
26:42
And he would do these stupid videos about, "Oh we got the straw, so we can cure
26:46
COVID and we can fix all this." And I'm like that's amazing, sir, 'cause you're
26:49
a tank officer, not a medical provider.
26:52
So it's amazing that you, and literally reading one sheet of paper,
26:56
have got your MD now in infectious diseases and respiratory disease."
27:00
Yeah.
27:00
"Whereas I've actually read a lot of the research on this topic." Wow.
27:04
And they just, they repeated these things.
27:06
It was a faith statement.
27:07
It was a faith statement.
27:09
And I know how narratives work because I was a PAO.
27:11
I helped to craft them.
27:12
I helped to design them.
27:13
And now- Sure ... I always worked to make sure that mine were accurate and
27:17
truthful, and I always, I resisted doing the propaganda move at every opportunity.
27:21
Sometimes I had to clo- get close to dabbling in the dark arts, but
27:25
I never did anything that couldn't get, I couldn't sleep on at night.
27:28
I couldn't look myself in the mirror, and I couldn't talk about
27:31
openly t- to a, another Christian brother and not be embarrassed.
27:34
I held myself to that standard.
27:36
But I'm watching these guys just embrace these narratives and I
27:39
can recognize they, they don't know what they're talking about.
27:41
This is what they've been told to say.
27:43
This is the script.
27:45
Yeah.
27:46
And it's not funny because people's lives are being hurt.
27:51
Yeah.
27:51
A lot of lives were lost because of that.
27:54
Yeah.
27:54
And ruined, people that are, medically incapacitated in a lot of cases.
27:58
And I remember this one woman that was going, I think she was going
28:02
for maybe airborne or something, but she had to pass a, the physical test
28:06
of course, and she couldn't do it because she'd gotten the vaccination.
28:10
She was, like, in excellent shape up to that point, and then she started
28:13
having all these problems, and she couldn't do the Pass or test.
28:17
It was like horrible.
28:19
People's dreams, and all their aspirations, ruined.
28:23
It affected so many lives in so many ways.
28:26
It was the primary catalyst for why I concluded my career when I did.
28:30
Oh,
28:31
okay.
28:31
We had planned on a 30-year career.
28:33
I... And of course, none of us know the future, but I am very certain that
28:36
I had a path to colonel, which is the- Yeah, absolutely ... it's as high as you
28:40
ge- can go as a public affairs officer.
28:42
We don't get turned into generals.
28:44
One, one, one guy or gal every 10 years, they let them through, but
28:47
that's, you can't count on that.
28:50
Colonel is our ceiling and we were convinced that I had a path to it.
28:53
I had good report cards.
28:54
I had all the right schools.
28:56
I worked really hard.
28:58
But that was the beginning of the end for me, of looking around and saying,
29:02
there... I liken it to the Book of Daniel.
29:06
God calls Christians to serve in often uncomfortable places.
29:11
Daniel served as a courtier in Nebuchadnezzar's palace.
29:16
Yeah.
29:17
And that was an evil man, and that had to be an uncomfortable
29:19
thing to do, but God had placed him there for a specific reason.
29:23
And so we are called to, to abide until Christ returns and to
29:28
steward well where He's planted us.
29:30
But I couldn't see anywhere, and I still can't see anywhere in scripture
29:33
where we are to be the public apologists and the missionaries for Baal.
29:38
And I, my job as a public affairs officer was to be the public apologist, to be the
29:42
spokesman, to be the communication planner in defense of the institution's policies,
29:49
and it was just in 2020, 2021, when I saw the way they were abusing people.
29:55
They were throwing people out en masse.
29:58
They were suddenly looking at people who had sacrificed many years of their lives,
30:04
who had missed watching much of their children's youth, who had missed many
30:10
anniversaries, who had missed so much of life to serve, whether it be overseas
30:16
or in training for deployments or other military tr- travel And they were all
30:22
of a sudden overnight because they had a question, a legitimate question that
30:25
any citizen should be able to ask, and they were cast aside as if treasonous.
30:31
And I realized- ... I cannot publicly defend, represent, or speak for
30:35
an institution that would do that.
30:37
They were doing it to me.
30:38
I was I was asking questions, reasonable questions based on of things that I could
30:44
see with my own eyes, and being told that I didn't know what I was talking about
30:49
and I need to stop listening to these other influences and safe and effective.
30:55
Yeah, I get the script, guys.
30:56
I know how this works.
30:59
And that was it for me.
31:00
That was when I realized we, we've got to begin making our exit plans from the
31:04
institution because the, this is evil.
31:07
This is evil.
31:08
And then of course the third leg of the Biden's attack on the
31:11
military was an attack specifically against Christians in the ranks.
31:16
And that was by, by- Oh, god ... forcing the whole the
31:18
whole transgender movement into the military and Christians being- Yep.
31:22
Gonna ask you about that ... Christians being told, "If you don't like it,
31:25
shut up." That's- Wow ... that's, it's not for you to speak about it.
31:30
And I've got a personal story I can tell you about that if we have time,
31:34
but I felt that very personally being told, "Shut up, this is the way it
31:38
is, and if you have a problem with it, you're the one who has the problem,
31:42
and we'll deal with you accordingly."
31:44
Yeah, and this is l- like one of the notes here.
31:46
It says, "Institutional culture suppression of conservative voices and
31:51
broader accountability failures." So there are, they have these generals
31:56
and, admirals and so forth that are pushing these agendas that the
31:59
political system is pushing down.
32:02
It's no longer, advanced by merit.
32:04
It's advanced through, "Oh, you're transgender? We need to advance
32:07
transgenders." And we saw that.
32:09
From the outside looking in, what was that like on the inside?
32:14
Oh it was horrible on the inside.
32:16
Wow.
32:17
Again, because you join in ins- you join the military believing that
32:20
it's a place that if you work- Yeah
32:23
you can be rewarded for your work.
32:25
And ag- now again, we, no institution is perfect.
32:28
It wasn't perfect when I joined in '03.
32:30
It was very clear that there were still some early indicators of DEI influence.
32:35
We knew there was very much an affirmative action flavor to
32:38
how some people were promoted.
32:40
A- and it was not secret.
32:42
It was known.
32:43
I remember as a lieutenant, my battalion commander came back.
32:46
He had just finished sitting on a promotion board for majors, and he
32:50
gave us a, an presentation based on here's what I learned sitting on the
32:54
board, and here's how the boards work.
32:56
And he told us during that presentation that after the board meets and goes
33:00
through the files and decides who's going to get promoted Then there's a post-board
33:05
scrub where the results are laid out and they count how many men, how many women,
33:12
how many Blacks, how many whites, how many Asians, how many Hispanic, they do the
33:16
full intersectional breakdown, and then they compare that to a spreadsheet that
33:21
says there are this many men in America and this many women, this many Black."
33:24
And then, and if the numbers from the pr- promotion board don't match up to the
33:29
percentages that they want to see, that they will then reshuffle the deck and
33:34
names will get pulled off of the board and names added in that did not make it.
33:39
That was openly known.
33:40
That, that was briefed to me in a presentation back in
33:42
2000... I think it was 2008.
33:45
'07 or '08, one of those two.
33:49
And so we knew these things, but during the last few years it was so accelerated.
33:54
There were special groups made- Wow ... specifically to give additional
33:57
mentorship to women in the ranks.
34:00
Not men, additional groups for women.
34:02
There was an online movement called MilTwitter that was there
34:05
to curate hardcore left-wing community among military members.
34:11
And of course then you had the LGBTQ+ IA addendum, mafia in the military.
34:18
And it was very clear to us that there were people who were being set
34:22
on certain public pedestals because they fit the political narrative and
34:26
the image of the military that the administration wanted the public to see.
34:31
Joe Biden had this saying that he wanted his administration, his cabinet, to look
34:36
like America, which means he wanted it to be urban and homosexual essentially.
34:42
And that was carried through on the military.
34:45
W- the Secretary of the Army, Christine Wormuth, talked about this a lot.
34:49
"We need the Army to look like America."
34:51
And by that, she was open about that it needs to look less Southern.
34:56
It needs to look less like families that continue to serve intergenerationally.
35:02
It needs to look more like the coast.
35:04
It needs to look more like urban centers.
35:06
It needs to look more like blue states.
35:10
That's not the purpose of a military, is to fit your intersectional goal chart.
35:14
The purpose of the military is to bring together the people who
35:18
are capable of doing the violence necessary to defend against threats.
35:25
That's what the military is there to do, is to defend the nation, if necessary,
35:31
using overwhelming violence to do
35:34
said.
35:34
You need
35:34
the people to do that.
35:36
And they didn't care about that, because to them, the military, to the
35:40
Biden administration, the military was not there for the national defense.
35:44
It was there as another influencer in the social revolution they were s-
35:49
attempting to sow in the United States.
35:52
And the military's still infested with a lot of that.
35:56
Much of it's in hiding right now, but make no mistake- ... it is still there,
35:59
and it is still- ... a very present threat to our national survival.
36:04
Wow.
36:04
Ver- God, that's so well said, Dr. Chasin.
36:07
From the outside looking in, having been on the inside, I was like, "They
36:12
are purposefully tearing down the military," 'cause they know that's
36:15
the last bastion of America- ... to keep us safe Americans not from
36:19
overseas conflict, but here in America.
36:21
So the enemy basically was within, and they were infiltrating everywhere.
36:26
I saw that in the CIA when I was in.
36:29
We had those of us that were conservative, I guess you could say, and were like
36:34
you s- like you said so eloquently we could produce violence if needed.
36:39
And then we started to see other people come in from the CIA.
36:44
So instead of like in a, in the beginning, I was, like, in charge of a lot of these
36:47
groups, and then they started to put in people that were yes men, for the CIA.
36:53
That's one of the reasons why I left the CIA, because that was
36:55
starting to happen to the CIA.
36:57
We were losing our capabilities.
36:59
And we saw Benghazi where s- one of our compounds got hit pretty
37:04
hard and some of my buddies died.
37:06
And I was- ... looking at that, and I went there afterwards helped recover
37:09
some of the stuff that was there.
37:11
And I was dumbfounded 'cause I started talking to guys, and they're
37:14
like, "Yeah they wouldn't let us do this, they wouldn't let us do that."
37:17
I was like, "Wow." And so I just started to see those people that had been put
37:21
in positions that were yes men or yes women, and they were compromising us.
37:28
We weren't gonna, we weren't gonna win with these people.
37:30
We're gonna start to digress in a lot of cases.
37:33
And that's what I've been seeing, around the world.
37:35
I feel very happy that President Trump and Pete Hegseth are there.
37:39
They started the Department of War.
37:42
So they got the right verbiage, they got the right ideas, but that huge
37:46
group of admirals and generals that Trump spoke to, I, I'm just curious
37:52
how many of those people agree with him and are sitting, like you're talking
37:55
about, very silent, waiting for the point where they can come back and
37:59
start to, destroy America some more.
38:03
Yeah.
38:03
What's the percentage?
38:04
I don't know.
38:05
I can tell you whatever it is it's way too big.
38:08
If it's a single one, it's too many.
38:10
Yeah.
38:10
I can tell you it's well more than one, a- and that concerns me greatly.
38:15
And this goes into my criticism of Secretary Hegseth, and I praise him in
38:20
a lot of ways but it's fair to point out things that aren't being done as well.
38:24
And the biggest failure on his part right now is failing to act on the
38:29
reality that personnel is policy.
38:32
The military is still full of left-wing ideologues, and much of
38:36
this has been pointed out, and the answer is what do you want us to do?
38:40
Fire them all?
38:41
Then who do we replace them with?
38:42
Who do we make generals overnight?" And my answer is the military has
38:46
excelled in picking winners who can handle those ranks without having been
38:50
groomed for those ranks over decades.
38:51
We've done that throughout our history.
38:53
We've done it very well.
38:54
Ulysses S. Grant had been a captain before Lincoln brought
38:59
him on and made him a general.
39:01
Wow.
39:01
Talent was recognized.
39:03
I'm looking right now, I've got on my wall a print of Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain of
39:08
the bayonet charge down Little Round Top.
39:12
He was a college professor who wanted to enlist.
39:14
They made him lieutenant colonel, put him in charge of an infantry regiment.
39:17
He very quickly, before the Civil War was out, which lasted four years, before
39:21
that was out he was a general officer.
39:23
The Army excels in picking winners like that.
39:26
You don't need 20, 30, 35 years to build a general.
39:31
That's just a bunch of careerist nonsense that we created
39:35
after the Second World War.
39:36
We need to-- There ne- still needs to be a mass purging of antagonists in the force.
39:43
We need to assume, we just need to assume that every flag officer, and by flag
39:49
officer, one-star general or admiral and up, we just need to assume they are all
39:53
morally compromised and act accordingly.
39:56
And then, and we need to, and then we need to assume it's likely that
39:59
the colonels, the O-6s, the captains in the Navy probably are as well.
40:04
And so that, that's my biggest frustration.
40:06
I see there's been a lot of movement from the Pentagon recently to
40:10
get after breaking relationships with some of the Ivy League
40:13
universities, which I completely wholeheartedly endorse and support.
40:18
But again, that's not enough.
40:20
Look at West Point.
40:21
It's full of left-wing faculty.
40:23
Look at the war colleges.
40:24
It's full of left-wing faculty.
40:27
And yet there are con- there are conservative, patriotic,
40:30
constitutionally-minded scholars around the nation who are not
40:34
getting an invitation to teach at any of these military academies.
40:37
They're not even getting invitations to come speak- ... military academies.
40:40
I'm one of them, right?
40:42
Wow.
40:42
And so if you're going, if you're trying to turn the military around but you think
40:45
you're going to do it by holding onto the en- enemy, you're missing the point.
40:50
And if those people are allowed to stay in, they're going to be able to
40:54
undo every single innovation that Mr.
40:57
Hegseth has done the day he leaves office.
41:00
Wow.
41:01
So on your point, I l- I looked this up 'cause I've heard this, and here it is.
41:05
US military had just seven four-star generals and admirals, and four five-star
41:10
generals during the peak of World War II.
41:13
That's when we had 12 million, ... under arms.
41:17
Now today, we have 40 to 45 across Army, Navy, Air Force, four-star
41:24
generals, and only 1,000,300 personnel.
41:27
So I completely agree with you.
41:29
We could definitely downsize, and we could sh- we should start right now.
41:32
And ev- and every one of those generals is another layer of bureaucracy
41:36
because it's not just that- Oh, yeah
41:37
it's not just that officer.
41:38
Every one of those officers has a staff and has a headquarters.
41:42
And every one of those headquarters is there to create another layer that
41:48
a piece of paper has to go through.
41:51
Excellent point.
41:52
Yeah.
41:52
They're, they're-- we-- think of, think about we used to turn out, how
41:55
fast we were churning out battleships during the Second World War.
41:58
Again, it was an efficient military.
42:01
How quickly we were churning planes out for the Army Air Corps.
42:04
I live in Kansas, three hours from Wichita, where the B-29s were built.
42:09
And yet now i- it's a multi-decade process to get a single one of those things done.
42:13
Why?
42:14
A lot of it's because of the military bureaucracy.
42:17
We, we need to pare, we need to pare the administration down at
42:21
least to the World War II level.
42:23
That would be one of the greatest services that could be done to America, is to- But
42:27
even looking at that, you had 12 million-
42:30
Yeah
42:30
... for that many generals.
42:32
Like it's just a fraction of what we have now.
42:34
And they won.
42:35
And they won.
42:36
And they won.
42:37
And they had incredible leaders.
42:38
So- Yeah ... yeah, that's what we need again.
42:40
We need to downsize the headshed and start to focus on, getting the job done a lot
42:45
more efficient than we have in the past.
42:47
'Cause man, I tell you when I was in the CIA, we were like...
42:52
And we're-- I'm talking to my my SEAL buddies on the other side,
42:55
SEAL Team Six guys, tier one guys, and I'm like, "What?" is going on.
42:59
It's like, why are we still doing this?
43:02
We should've been done in the first... you look at the horse soldiers, they just
43:06
basically won, Afghanistan by themselves.
43:10
Of course, with the jets and, bombing and so forth, drove
43:13
them across the whole country.
43:14
Same thing happened in Iraq on, in the northern side, where you had
43:18
Special Forces guys come in and call in airstrikes just drove Saddam Hussein's
43:23
army away and just destroyed it.
43:24
So we can do this, but we can't with that kind of, And I remember when we were in
43:30
in Iraq I was talking to the guys there, and they're like, "Yeah, the generals,
43:35
the generals came in and they started kicking us out after we'd done all the
43:39
work and, kicked ass, and then we had these guys from the States, these pencil
43:44
pushers come in and start to, 'You can't go this fast over the speed bumps.'"
43:47
And it's what the heck?
43:48
So those guys got out.
43:50
But that's what happens.
43:51
You have a lot of these guys that are, behind the scenes, and then they come
43:55
in and take advantage of you're, I'm a combat veteran," 'cause you show up after
43:59
the war's done, and you co- you, you're in a combat zone, so you claim you're a
44:03
combat veteran, then you get promoted.
44:05
So this is one of the things, that I think we need to really look at, and
44:09
you're bringing excellent light to this.
44:11
Wow, fantastic.
44:12
And let me add one thing to that.
44:13
You mentioned the issue that we have with leaders right now.
44:16
Look around.
44:17
W- tell me if you see a Patton or an Eisenhower or a Grant or a Marshall
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among us today, and I don't wanna speak for you, but I doubt you do.
44:28
No.
44:28
I don't.
44:30
The system that we have now weeds those guys out.
44:33
Oh, yeah.
44:33
Yeah.
44:34
Because
44:35
the purpose of the system now is to beat men and women into submission, and it
44:40
is when they are in full submission that they can at least be considered for those
44:46
higher level ranks because, again, you're not getting looked at for general officer
44:50
until you're well past the 20-year mark.
44:52
We're talking 25-plus years here before you're pinning your first star.
44:57
Whereas i- in the past, the real leaders were the ones who rose
45:01
up in spite of the institution.
45:03
Dwight Eisenhower was not tracking to be a senior officer before the
45:09
war as a matter of fact, he got sent here to Fort Leavenworth to attend
45:13
the Command and General Staff College because he had a leader who believed
45:16
in him b- when the Army did not, and the Army did not assign him here.
45:20
And so he had a leader who pulled some strings and got him assigned
45:23
here to take on a adjutant's role.
45:25
And then later on, because he was here they were able to get him
45:28
to the Command and General Staff College later on, and thank God.
45:30
We needed Eisenhower qualified and, a- and able to be promoted quickly.
45:36
But the system that we put in place after the Second World
45:39
War, it chases those guys out.
45:42
It chases the innovators out.
45:43
It chases the people who will say the hard things out.
45:47
Yeah.
45:47
It chases the people who are not polished politicians.
45:51
It chases them out.
45:52
It discourages them, and it's by design.
45:55
And again think about that.
45:57
If we should ever be in another major land-based war or against a near or
46:03
near peer adversary, w- how do we handle that when we don't have those kind of
46:09
leaders today because the institution has chased them out and discouraged them
46:13
and made them decide my future is better outside of the military than in it?
46:18
Yeah, good point.
46:20
How do you fix it?
46:21
What's your thoughts on before we finish up, how do we fix this?
46:25
Oh, man.
46:27
That's a, that's... Yeah, that's a loaded question.
46:29
If I had a perfect answer for that I could probably be a wealthier man than I am.
46:34
Some things are going- I, one of the
46:36
things that we just talked about is we downsized the corrupt,
46:39
generals and admirals out of there.
46:40
Yeah.
46:41
Yeah.
46:41
The f-
46:41
They're out of control.
46:42
I agree.
46:43
There's- I saw it when I was
46:44
in, and I know you saw it.
46:45
I was like we would work around them.
46:47
They were like, they tell us something to do and, 'cause
46:49
that's the way Special Forces are.
46:51
Yeah we have to do this because of that, and we can't really follow
46:54
those directions and so that kind of worked a little bit, not always.
46:59
But we had really good leaders we had- ... that would protect us,
47:02
and that's one of the key things.
47:04
I don't see that these days.
47:06
Yeah.
47:06
Dwight Eisenhower, in his farewell address to Congress, he referenced the
47:10
military industrial complex, and what a lot of people don't realize is that
47:15
was a, an edited version of his speech.
47:18
His initial draft, which he pared down before he delivered to
47:23
Congress, called it the Congressional military industrial complex, and
47:28
that's a much more befitting title.
47:31
I think he he deliberately took congressional out of it because I
47:34
think he didn't want to turn off the ears of those who were listening
47:38
to him there as a strategic move.
47:41
But the- ... the first version is much more appropriate.
47:44
You, we need to trim the force, but here's the problem.
47:47
Congress gets a vote.
47:49
And I say that's a problem and it's not constitutionally because
47:52
Congress controls the purse and shares responsibility for the military
47:57
with the president constitutionally.
47:58
But the problem is every single congressional dis- district is in
48:03
some way touched by military spending.
48:05
Every single one of them in one way or another is touched by military
48:09
spending, and it's by design that way.
48:11
It has become that way by design.
48:13
And so let's say we were to slash 80% of the flag officer commands, every
48:22
district, House and Senate district that those commands are in, those
48:28
representatives, Republican and Democrat, are going to rise up with flaming
48:32
pitchforks and say, "How dare you?
48:35
You can't do this.
48:36
President's going to take spending from my district." So we need Congress
48:40
to get on board with this, which goes back to why Americans need
48:45
to pay attention to these things.
48:47
Because
48:47
Americans are tuned out.
48:49
Remember after 9/11, George w- George W. Bush said, I'm getting asked what
48:54
should America do now that we've been attacked by the Taliban, and the Twin
48:57
Towers have fell, and now that we're at war, what should Americans do?"
49:00
And he said, "Americans should go to the mall." Great.
49:03
A- and that's what America did.
49:05
Guys like you and me went to war.
49:06
Americans went to the mall.
49:07
It was never a truly national effort.
49:10
No one was ever... We weren't bought in at national level.
49:13
We need Americans to get bought in on national level and drive their
49:17
congressmen to support downsizing moves in the military first.
49:21
Second off, there needs to be a major legislation introduced to
49:26
de-stratify how the military currently selects and promotes senior leaders.
49:33
The current system that we have was created legislatively after World War
49:37
II when all the military branches were bought, brought together under this
49:41
joint force construct that was then later on turned into the Department
49:45
of Defense, now Department of War.
49:47
And Congress put the legislation into effect that said in order to reach this
49:51
rank, you have to be joint qualified and means you have to serve this many
49:55
years, and you have to do this and that, and this and that, and this and that."
49:57
Congress actually formed those rules.
50:00
Now, the military informed how those rules were made.
50:02
The military informs how all military legislation is made.
50:05
They have officers that help to draft what they want.
50:08
But we need to have serious con- legislative reform that decentralizes
50:14
how those promotions are handled.
50:15
And now that is not a perfect thing.
50:17
The counterpoint to that and a reasonable objection to that is then it just
50:21
becomes a good old boy system, and anyone can promote whoever they want.
50:25
My answer to that is they're still doing that just within the current system.
50:29
Evil always finds- Absolutely ... a way around, but the current system
50:33
is chasing all the good people out.
50:35
Yeah I remember that when I was in.
50:36
We were like we'd love certain, we'd love certain officers, and they wouldn't
50:40
select up and then they had to leave.
50:43
It's very frustrating.
50:44
Maybe, you get a little bit more insight from the enlisted men
50:47
that they lead at some point.
50:49
That would be helpful.
50:50
But, some guys have to rule hard.
50:53
I-- there were times where, as a senior listed guy, had to be the hammer.
50:58
And so you don't make friends, you get respect- ... which I think is ultimately
51:02
what you deserve and what you want.
51:04
But why not, allow a little bit of how do you guys see this guy?
51:08
'Cause we get evaluated by our seniors, and why don't we
51:12
let the juniors evaluate too?
51:13
That'd be interesting.
51:14
It probably would never happen, but I think that's another thing
51:18
to throw in there, who knows?
51:20
And the Army experimented with something like that, and then
51:24
they completely messed it up.
51:25
If you, if you- Oh, yeah?
51:26
Wow.
51:26
If you wanna, if you want something to be done poorly in terms of administrative
51:31
actions, give it to the Army.
51:32
If we really wanted to cure the drug epidemic in America, we'd just put
51:37
the Army in charge of it, and they'd make it, they'd make getting high so
51:41
unfun that no one would do it anymore.
51:43
Really?
51:44
It's just, oh, it's just the way it is.
51:46
But the Army came up with a system a few years ago called BCAP, Battalion
51:51
and Brigade Command Oh, I'm forgetting what it, the acronym stood for.
51:56
But basically when you were selected for battalion or brigade command, I don't know
51:59
how that translates in the Navy, but it's the 05 and 06 level commands, that rather
52:05
than just going through what they called a centralized board, which is where a
52:08
group of people meet in a windowless room in the Pentagon or some other nondescript
52:13
location, and they look at files and they just rack and stack files based on paper.
52:18
They said, "We're gonna get away from that 'cause we wanna be more holistic," and
52:20
they created this program called BCAP.
52:22
Battalion Commander Assessment Program, that's what it stood for.
52:25
Yeah.
52:25
And part of it was you took surveys from people who had
52:29
served under these officers.
52:31
That was a really good thing, and unfortunately the Army screwed up
52:36
BCAP and basically manipulated it to still get to the results that they
52:41
wanted at the end of the day, so Secretary Hegseth canceled the program.
52:45
That was one of the good things of BCAP was it did that.
52:48
It surveyed people who had served under these people before.
52:51
I appreciated receiving surveys being asked, "Hey how was it working under this
52:57
officer?" I thought that was a good thing.
52:59
Very good.
53:00
So Hegseth has fired quite a few people.
53:04
Do you think he's just getting warmed up or is that just a anomaly
53:07
or what do you think's happening?
53:10
I don't know.
53:10
I, I- Yeah ... I would like to say he's just getting warmed up and there's a lot
53:13
more to come, but from people that I've- I hope so, yeah ... people that I've talked
53:16
to inside the building I don't currently get that sense, and I would love to be- Oh
53:20
I would love to be proven wrong.
53:21
I really would love to be proven wrong.
53:24
I get the sense- Yeah, it's true ... that there, there are
53:25
strategic things that when someone's conduct rises to a certain level of
53:30
egregiousness he's willing to do it.
53:32
And so I, I appreciate that something is better than nothing.
53:35
Yeah.
53:35
And he has fired more generals than I think have been fired in my career
53:39
timeline post Obama administration.
53:43
But still not nearly enough.
53:45
We need to go back to the days of George Marshall where he fired senior officers
53:50
by the hundreds because they- Really?
53:52
... yeah.
53:52
It was very clear they weren't pulling their weight.
53:54
Yeah so when you see The New York Times panicking that Hegseth is
53:58
purging the military yeah, 'cause he hired, fired what, like six
54:01
officers in a force of millions.
54:03
Get over yourselves.
54:04
G- Geo- George Marshall did that before breakfast.
54:07
Wow.
54:08
So i- it's not unpr- it's not unprecedented.
54:11
It's not.
54:12
It can be done.
54:12
Very good.
54:13
It should be done.
54:14
You have an excellent grasp of history, so I think that's definitely in your favor.
54:18
I would love to see you on board in the future, as a consultant or
54:22
something to help fix this problem.
54:25
Now you brought up some really good points about the congressional
54:27
side putting the brakes on, getting rid of some of these people.
54:30
That's where our audience, American people could get proactive.
54:35
What are your thou- what are your thoughts?
54:36
How could they do that?
54:37
The first thing you need to do is just start paying attention
54:40
to- Yeah ... the military.
54:41
I live just down the road from Fort Leavenworth.
54:43
I'm near Kansas City, Missouri, and most Kansas Citians have no idea that there's
54:47
a military base here, and it's been here since 1824, and they have no idea.
54:52
The public needs to pay attention.
54:54
N- number one, just pay attention to the fact you have a military
54:56
and start looking into military affairs and educating yourself,
55:00
being parts of these conversations.
55:02
A- and it frustrates me no matter what level I'm at, whether it be just talking
55:06
to, regular Joe on the street or at a senior kind of academic conference of
55:11
conservative thinkers, and I try to talk about military issues, and these are
55:14
people who have forgot more about Plato than I'll ever know, but they're dumb as
55:18
can be when it comes to military affairs and I just want, I just wanna shake them,
55:21
be like this has so much more application on your life and freedom right now.
55:25
Give it 10 minutes.
55:26
I promise you it'll be worth it."
55:28
Yeah.
55:28
We need them to pay attention and then to get involved with their
55:31
congressional leaders about it, because congressmen pay attention to two things
55:35
who bugs them and who funds them.
55:37
A- and they're funded well, and the defense industrial base funds them well.
55:41
The only thing that's going to potentially compete with that is enough
55:45
constituent noise to say no joke, we need to pare the military down.
55:48
No joke, we need to stop allowing the military to abuse our fellow citizens
55:52
in uniform through unconstitutional mandates and religious discrimination
55:55
and sending them to, to combat zones that have absolutely nothing to do
56:00
with US national security interests."
56:03
And ultimately, my dream, a- and this is something that I think is just it's a
56:08
wild, audacious dream that I think is so big it'll never happen in my lifetime but
56:12
a boy can dream, is we need to get back to what does a constitutional military
56:17
framework looks like- ... look like.
56:19
It doesn't look like this mass standing behemoth that we have right now.
56:26
Our ancestors well knew that an standing army will always find an excuse to be
56:33
at war, and thus we have really made war the top US export in our lifetimes.
56:38
We just have.
56:39
Yeah.
56:39
And we're always at war somewhere, and look around and say, "Is this connected to
56:44
US national security?" And I think the war with Iran is probably the first war in my
56:49
lifetime that I can say there's an actual connection to US national security there.
56:53
I think it's probably the first one.
56:54
Some can make s- make examples of others, but I think that's the clearest one.
56:59
Most other things that we've done have just been foreign adventurism or in
57:02
terms of some sort of other policy end that was not truly to, to the interest
57:08
of our security as much as it was just trying to reshape how the world worked.
57:12
And so we need to get away from that.
57:14
We need to get back to a system where it's really a citizen soldier construct.
57:18
The militia system is what the founders had in mind, and states were
57:23
responsible to keep a well-trained, well-armed militia that could be called
57:26
upon and federalized if necessary to support national war efforts if the
57:31
nation were ever truly at threat.
57:34
And thus the local populace had a stake in it because it was their own people
57:41
who were being pulled away from the shops, homes, hospitals, churches to
57:44
go to war, versus this all-volunteer invisible force that's always at war
57:49
and no one knows about and no one cares.
57:51
Dr. Chase Spears fantastic presentation great insights.
57:55
I think everybody in America should listen to this.
57:57
Finding Your Spine podcast you can find that at chasespears.com, guys.
58:02
Any other places where you'd like people to look at your work, Dr. Chase?
58:06
Oh thanks so much.
58:07
The website's the first place if people are just interested in my
58:10
other writings and my other video appearances and musings, that's where I
58:13
put all of my thought and my research.
58:15
And if any of your listeners are active on social, such as X, LinkedIn,
58:19
YouTube, Instagram, or Substack, I am active on those five channels.
58:24
The handle is @drchasespears at all of them.
58:28
So if what I said resonates and you'd like to join me in this conversation
58:32
I'd love to link arms with you.
58:35
Wow.
58:35
Yeah, definitely.
58:36
So yeah, we appreciate your work and like I said, everybody should listen,
58:39
especially the politicians . And, I'm glad ... start to help us get rid of the, the
58:44
fluff that's in the military right now.
58:45
Wow, is it fluffed up bad.
58:47
It's really bad.
58:49
All right.
58:49
Look forward to maybe in the future we'll have some more conversations.
58:52
You got so much more to share.
58:54
Thanks so much for coming on.
58:55
I welcome it, Michael.
58:56
Thanks so much for having me.
58:57
I appreciate you, sir.
58:58
Thank you.