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Monday Roundtable · Kvetch & Release

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  Well, hey, good morning and welcome back. It's Dan McDonald. Thank
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  you so much for tuning in. Happy Monday everyone. You're listening to the
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  Dan McDonald Show on AM eight hundred SKLW want to welcome in our roundtable this
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  morning. We have Deputy Mayor of the town to come see Joe but Caddie
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  Joe. Great to have you back on. Yes, thank you for having
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  me. Did you survive any big plans for Saint Patrick Sage to survive?
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  Oh? I was designated driver, so picking up my daughter at different places
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  that she enjoyed with her friends. But no, it was a nice,
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  nice weekend and to enjoy the Saint Patrick's event absolutely an important role too.
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  Someone's got to be a designated driver, so thank you for being that role.
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  Last, but not least, well, we do have one more guest
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  who may be coming in a bit later. What we'll save to CV put
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  e pops by a host of Rose City Politics host right here on AM eight
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  hundred SEKW And I believe there's a new show cooking, John Linky, what
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  are you covetching about? Did I use that properly? Deck fetched with John?
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  I'm right, yes, I saw thee What is this what is covetch
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  all about? Well, uh, Kvetri's yunnish word to you know, complain
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  to gripe to get it out on the table, which is, you know,
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  quite frankly, something that I do fairly often. So I figured why
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  not institutionalize and formalize it into a podcast. It's really just a place where
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  I'm posting all of my media interviews, commentary, radio interviews, and then
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  there'll be some podcast format type stuff as well. I just needed a depository
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  port all. Yeah, catch convect I love we shall all do it.
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  What's your convention about now? I love that. That's great Newspool question.
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  I think we have some clips too, Brian Massey, I believe will we
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  have some clips? We do? It's the Newspool question today. The MP
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  for Windsor West is pushing the Liberal federal government to include a renter's fund in
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  the upcoming budget. So Brian Massey he's urging, well, he urged the
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  government to establish this fund on Friday in order to protect renters, especially in
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  the Windsor Essex region. Brian Massey says, with over seven thousand in the
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  region on a waiting list for affordable housing, it's time for the Liberals to
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  step up. This fund would help not for profit organizations across the country by
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  affordable housing when it's on the market and make sure it stays affordable for renters.
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  He says. The scary reality is that Windsor is starting to see the
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  same housing crisis that exists in Toronto and Vancouver. And I always thought that
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  too. You see what's going on in Vancouver, in Toronto and it eventually
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  comes to us. Here's a clip of Windsor West MP Brian Massey. He
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  says, the situation leaves the Windsor Essex community vulnerable. There has been an
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  increase of significant cost to renters, so we're looking at legislation that would bring
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  about some supports for those families that are low income, but also to some
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  more stop measures for increases on rent, similar that's been done in the past
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  with rent control. So we're open in terms of a couple processes to approach
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  it, but there definitely has to be a government response. He says.
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  It's heartbreak. It's a heartbreaking problem that has been going on for far too
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  long. In our office, it's a daily fight with people trying to get
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  through rental processes, and we just don't have the affordable housing for people.
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  And this is individuals that they're basically often have children, they often have people
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  in school or there going to school, and with seven thousand people and something
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  has to be done, He says he wants flexibility with a focus on families
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  and young people. We also want to have some protections on rent control to
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  ensure that there can't be significant increases on people's rent, especially again in the
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  family units, but also young people. We keep forgetting about young people that
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  don't have the opportunities that we once had, and it's really worrisome because their
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  pay hasn't increased significantly, inflation has been up. Brian Massey adds that no
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  one should have to worry if they'll be kicked out of their home. Windsor's
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  vacancy rate in twenty twenty three hit a record low of two percent, meaning
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  those who get evicted from their homes have nowhere to go. Liberals plan to
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  release the next federal budget on April sixteenth, So that's the Newspool question.
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  Do you support an NDP call for a National Rental Protection Fund to be included
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  in next month's federal budget. Joe your thoughts on this Newspool question this morning.
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  Yeah, thank you, Dan. I think it's worth the discussion.
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  M P. Massi has brought up a valid concern, and not only for
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  this area. Here, sitting on the Community Housing Corporation, I see the
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  need. There are thousands of people on a waiting list for affordable homes and
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  and this would start that discussion, that conversation that we need to do something
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  about it. Talking about the federal budget those you know, anytime you talk
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  about budget, there's needs and wants, and to me, this is a
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  need and so it needs to take precedent in those discussions. So come budget
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  time, we can't be you know, looking at this as another tax because
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  you know, most people will see this as another tax that you know,
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  we were already taxed and and and the citizens and of this nation are saying,
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  look, enough's enough. And so we'd have to put a lot of
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  credits to that process of the budget where some of the wants may need to
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  be put aside. So what are our priorities We need to bre prioritize what
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  we're doing that budget time. And right now, the NDP, as you
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  know, as a minority government, uh, they have a leverage and the
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  Liberals are trying to survive. So this is a great opportunity that MP Moss
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  is bringing to forefront and I think it's worth those valid discussions. We need
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  to put this on the table. It's no different than what we do as
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  the municipalities. We have you know, jumpstart programs and we subsidize low income
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  families that can afford sports, and so this is more national. We know
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  we're talking housing here, but it's a similar situation. So that discussion that
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  type of rent control, we can't you know, like you say, we
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  talk about young people, students that are in university that are rooming in a
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  home. They don't have that disposable income to say, look now the rent's
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  going to go up another x percentage, So we have to put measures in
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  place, and I would support that conversation discussion at budget. Yeah, absolutely,
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  John, your thoughts on the newspool. You know, we saw Premiere
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  Forward change rent control in the province and freeze it for everyone unless you moved
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  into a place that was built after the year twenty twenty, in which case
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  it can increase at exponential levels with no cap on it. That's a problem.
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  It's why we're seeing a lot of the problems that we're dealing with right
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  now. The Feds are that they're hands. They can't go and implement rent
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  control. It's provincial jurisdiction. But there's a lot that they can do.
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  They could do rent support, which I don't necessarily support because if a landlord
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  sees that the renter is going to be getting an extra five hundred dollars a
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  month to throw a number out, they're just going to go and raise the
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  rent by five hundred dollars a month. Is that awful? That that worry
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  you have to worry about. We can't make greed, well, we could
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  make great illegal I don't know how you would enforce that though. Quite frankly,
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  I like this though, because what it does allow to do is have
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  these not for profits go and purchase housing when it does show up on the
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  market, add it to their stock and supply, and then make sure that
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  the affordability is at the market rate or very low subsidized, depending on what
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  they're trying to do. This is an interesting way to try to sort of
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  set aside the inflation argument that comes into play by just giving direct cash out
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  to individuals. But of course you know, there's lots more that we can
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  do as well. We know that we've got what eight thousand people on the
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  affordable housing weight list. We've got five thousand people that are homeless throughout the
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  region. We can't put a peg directly on that because everyone identifies. But
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  we need more shelter spaces, we need more affordable housing provincially. I'd like
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  to see rent control come in again to make the disparity that keeps growing between
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  the haves and the have not, the renters and the house owners. I
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  mean, I know so many people who are saying, I can't get approved
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  for a mortgage at twenty five hundred a month, but I'm paying twenty five
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  hundred dollars a month for rent. What's going on here? The issue,
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  as I guess, you know, they decide that the job that you have
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  isn't as sustainable as they'd like it to be to give you the mortgage.
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  All this to say is we're having market failures. We're having mortgage failure,
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  banking failures because they can't give mortgages to people. We're having employment failures because
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  people aren't able to make enough money. We're having housing failures because we're seeing
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  these long waitless whether it be affordable housing or people that are homeless. So
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  we need to get a handle on this. So, you know, kudos
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  to Brian Massey for putting this forward. I'd like to see more. Yeah,
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  it's funny you mentioned you said greed is not illegal, and it's so
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  funny as somebody said this on the same thing on the roundtable last week as
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  well. I believe it was in regards to a post that counselor Fabio Gustante
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  made about the rental property where there was a bunch of mattresses kind of stacked
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  in one room and it was all over the house and I forget what it
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  was. We were renting out like eighteen roomhouse and it was just mattresses on
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  the floor. And yeah, it is. It's just it's kind of a
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  mess across the board right now when it comes to housing and something has to
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  be done. Like you said, Joe wants needs, wishes. We just
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  have to prioritize at this point and repriorities. It's a need right now.
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  And that's a tricky thing too. People will see it as a tax it
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  is, you know what I mean, But it is a need too,
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  So I don't know how to get out of the hole. Yeah, no,
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  we were putting a lot of effort even in the county. We're looking
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  at Homelessness Hub, providing support and budget dollars to that era because if we
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  don't, who else is The upper levels of government are decreasing their grants that
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  are available and we're here providing that at least for the amount that we can
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  afford in our budget. We're providing that sector that is not or core business.
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  And so you know, looking at what MP Moss is doing here,
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  I think is valid and worth moving forward and providing some kind of support.
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  But again those discussions have to be taking place at budget right And just one
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  last thing, I see a text message coming in right now, more socialism,
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  just what we don't need. What do you expect with Trudeau? You
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  know, the fact the matter is we live in a quasi socialist country right
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  now. We all collectively pool our taxes that are then used for the benefit
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  of all of us. Do you like the sidewalks that you use, do
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  you like the roads that you drive on? Do you like the hospitals that
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  we have, the healthcare system that we have. Do you receive an old
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  age benefit? Did you receive a childcare benefit? Top up? Do you
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  like any of these things that exist right now where you receive something from the
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  government that is collectively socialism. We could do away with all of that,
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  and we could move towards a complete libertarian society where it would all fall apart,
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  where you have to go build your own roads, build your own electricity
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  grid, build your own water systems. We can go to that. We
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  can take away every benefit that you receive right now. I don't think any
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  of us want to live in that type of country. So when I see
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  these type of comments coming in more socialism, just like we don't need what
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  are you willing to give up to go towards your idealistic state of a society?
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  What are the things that you just think don't need to exist? Whatsoever?
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  Could you do without roads? Could you do without sidewalks? Could you
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  do without electricity, water, heating, plumbing, all of that great stuff,
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  because we can get rid of it all, hey, Deputy Mayor,
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  probably a lot easier for your tax burdens as a city to get rid of
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  all of that stuff that you have to provide. Yeah, zero increase for
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  tight years, ten years exactly. Voted for you. You got to vote.
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  But no, great point. I'm glad you brought that up. John.
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  Two, we do have to take a quick break. We are going
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  to come back and continue the conversation here joining us in studio. Deputy mayor
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  of the town to come see Joe Bihetti and host here on amid hundred of
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  Rose City politics as well. John Lidkey, don't go away. It's the
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  Dan McDonald show on AM eight hundred. Well, hey, good morning,
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  and welcome back. It's Dan McDonald. Thank you so much for tuning in.
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  You're listening to the Dan McDonald's show on amid hundred c KLW. And
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  I thought this was a early interesting story, and I wonder if we're going
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  to see more decisions like this as well. A judge ordered a fire setting
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  windsor winds dangerous offender to be hospitalized, not jailed. I thought that was
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  a kind of a bold decision to make. And I don't know. I
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  wonder some people say, oh, that's too we're too light on criminal behavior
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  anymore. But I wonder sometimes is it criminal behavior that's a symptom of a
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  different issue. Maybe it's a mental health issue and it's an addiction issue.
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  And because of that issue, it becomes a criminal issue, and really it's
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  an an unattended health issue. Your thoughts on this though, is this judge
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  ordering this person who is considered a dangerous offender to be hospitalized not jailed.
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  Jill, Your thoughts on this one this morning? Well, when I read
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  this day and I first came to mind, is you know, looking at
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  my former job as a school principal. Yeah, mental health the last three
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  four or five years is on the radar is huge. Is a lot of
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  students that are affected by that. And these students get older and they become
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  adults. And so now we have a judge here that has seen a repeat
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  offender, dangerous offender, and so my mind would be, you know,
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  treat you got to treat this like progressive discipline. You know, in a
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  school, you there's a fight, there's a code of conduct, you have
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  a suspension in place, and you suspend the student for a day or two.
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  But guess what, they're coming back, right, So they're coming back
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  and if we haven't dealt with the issue that why he got into that fight,
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  he's going to get into another fight and then it'll be a three day
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  suspension. And so that to me is similar to using the analogy of the
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  prison system, the jail system. You put them in jail, they do
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  their time, they get out, they repeat again. So what have we
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  done? So I think that what the judge is trying to do in this
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  case here is say, you know, let's see if we can find if
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  there's any underlying mental health issues contributing to this behavior. Let's address it appropriately
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  and see if we can deal with it in that fashion. And so I
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  think it's the way that the judges taking this is one to offer treatment support,
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  get the medical involved, and address the mental health component. Yeah.
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  Agree, John, your thoughts on this decision to judge me, they said,
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  to just to quote the article, they said, you know that the
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  judge stepped into legal waters where Canadian judges don't normally tread. But your thoughts
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  and his decision for this one, Yeah, this is unprecedented. I think
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  we need a bit of contact here with this gentleman forty four years old,
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  six ars and convictions, most recently for setting fire in the poorhouse twenty seventeen
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  downtown, has an IQ of only fifty five, very very low, has
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  a history of spending most of his adult life behind bars, sexually and physically
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  assaulted from a young age by his parents. This is somebody who is in
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  obvious need of help. And he had said the reason why he had been
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  setting fires was because he wanted to go to jail to receive housing. So
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  in this case we have here the judge saying quite starkly and clearly that they
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  don't believe that he would receive They said, no confidence that he'd received meaningful
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  treatment while at a federal penal institution. I think we also have the issue
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  of the revolving door of our institutions right now, penal institutions where we hear
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  these complaints. So often we look at the conservatives federally right now, just
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  harping on about bail conditions and people being let out and recidivism and recommitting,
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  and then just this revolving door, and I think a lot of people would
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  like to see more. I don't think, you know, not not necessarily
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  tough on crime, but maybe just a bit tougher than what it seems to
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  be right now, which seems to be hands off, white glove treatment to
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  a certain extent. And I'll be getting yelled at from the left and the
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  right with my comments on this one, which means I think that I'm probably
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  right on track. I like this though, because if he can't get the
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  help he needs in a federal prison and a provincial psychiatric institution is where the
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  help can be applied, and Judge is very clear that he's probably going to
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  be spending the rest of his life in custody behind bars anyways, So don't
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  think that this is a lighter sentence. The fact matter is, we made
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  a big mistake in the seventies when we went and we decided to completely shut
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  down all of our asylums institutions that we had and everyone was just released onto
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  the streets. And we're watching the compound effects of that decades by decades by
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  decades going on. And listen, the old system wasn't great. It had
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  a lot of problems. There was a reason why they got rid of it.
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  But I think that by just passing these people off to the criminal justice
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  system in most cases is not the answer either. It's the same conversation that
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  we have about whether we're trying to decriminalize drugs to keep people who are just
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  drug users in need of help out of the criminal justice system. It's the
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  conversation around safe point and allowing for people to be able to utilize illegal drugs,
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  because we recognized that just shuffling people into prison isn't the best place for
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  them. But somewhere between, you know, just letting people continually be out
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  on the streets causing problems, causing impacts on societies, causing you know,
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  deputy mayors to have to deal with phone calls from constituents going why is the
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  town not safe anymore? Why don't I feel safe anymore? The perception.
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  I mean, these are all very real things and people can we can point
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  to the police who say crime is actually down, violent crime is down,
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  but if your constituents feel like it isn't and they don't feel safe walking down
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  the street, that's a very real issue to deal with. And if this
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  is a way that we can help to alleviate situations, I think it should
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  be looked at more often. Absolutely, got to take a quick break.
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  We're going to come back. John Lidkey and Deputy mayor of the town to
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  come see Joe Biketty. Keep it here. It's the Dan McDonald Show on
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  AM eight hundred. Hey, good morning and welcome. It's Dan McDonald Thank
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  you so much for tuning in listening to the Dan mcdonald' show here on AM
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  eight hundred SKLW. Welcome back to our roundtable guest this morning, Deputy Mayor
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  of the town to come see Joe Biketty and host here on AM eight hundred
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  SKLW. Also host of Rose City Politics, John Lidkey. This is an
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  interesting story being in sales. I'm someone who worked in retail sales before,
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  but the first line of this article it reads, it's a woman who works
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  for a bank and she said she's stressed out by the pressure to sell customers
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  products at this bank's affecting her health. She feels like she's being set up
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  for filure. So where is the line between excelling at a job we're talking
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  about sales and looking out for the customer's best interest. That's kind of how
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  sales are always framed. How can I help you? How can I make
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  your life easier by selling you out the proper product, the proper car,
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  the proper airtime, the proper home whatever. It is not just targeting this
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  particular banking example, but when I did retail and sales, we were told
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  to push, push, push, and I recall bringing up to my manager.
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  I said, well, I feel bad, like what it is keep
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  spending money they don't have? And they said no, They'll tell you no
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  when they don't want to spend. Push push push, and they'll let you
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  know when they're done. So I'm like, Okay, my job is to
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  sell. I'm going to sell. If somebody blows their whole paycheck, how
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  much of that is my problem? I met and exceeded my sales goals.
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  I don't know. It's a tricky thing. Your thoughts on this kind of
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  pressure and where that line is when you're helping your customer as a salesperson versus
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  now you're selling them things you don't need but you're making your supervisor very happy?
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  Or is there a line? Ah? You know what I mean?
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  I hate this so much. I know, like I get it, like
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  companies want to make more money, increase the bottom line, make sure that
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  your c suite gets to take home bigger bonuses each year, like I get
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  it, and you get the salesperson gets the commissioned to get a commission.
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  You know, God bless private business and free market enterprise. I'm not here
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  against that. I'm known to a number of businesses in the past. But
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  you know, listen, when you have you know, someone who you expect
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  to be a trusted representative of a institution, a bank, for example,
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  and you're talking about something that can really materially affect you your credit card,
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  your line of credit, your mortgage, your mutual funds, anything like that.
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  You don't expect to be pressured in a way that might be malicious.
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  And the fact that it took a hidden camera to find out that this is
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  occurring is it's really gross. And I was actually just listening to a podcast
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  earlier today a bit more of an extreme example about it. GM has in
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  their new cars a product that's called Smart Driver, and it's like gamification of
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  so it's like, hey Joe, you might want to or you hit the
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  brakes perfectly every time this week you're a break champion, or it might say,
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  hey, Dan, you're a little bit heavy with your foot. You
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  should maybe just pull it back a bit. What people don't know is that
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  it's not just a game. But they're taking all this data and analytics and
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  they're selling it off to Lexus Nexus, which is a data collection company that
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  is compiling this data and then sending it back to your insurance companies, which
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  raises your insurance. So people are getting their insurance reports back and they're saying,
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  like, why have I gone up double the price this year? And
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  they all in they get a copy from Lexus Nexus of every trip they've taken
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  in their car over the past six months, and it shows how fast they
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  drive when they've run gone over the speed limit. The point being is it's
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  not the exact same as a pressure tactic. In these cases, it's sales
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  people sometimes activating it without your knowledge, but it's still just this incessant drive
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  to ease the bottom line at the expense of the customer or the client,
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  and at an expense where you're potentially jeopardizing it. Like a customer. In
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  the future, if I were to find out that my bank was acting this
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  way towards me, or that my car was surreptitiously tracking me, compiling information,
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  sending it off to my insurance company and raising my rates, I'm not
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  gonna buy that car. In the future. I'm gonna be looking for a
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  car that's not connected, that's not on the grid, that probably continues to
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  run off of an internal combustion engine, rather than an EV one that has
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  all these computers in it. Companies need to realize that keeping your clients and
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  your customers happy is actually a really smart business tool, especially in an era
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  of mass social media and even you know, traditional broadcast media, where people
• 20:41
  can go on their radio and say, I don't like what GM is doing
• 20:45
  with this smart driver technology. I think it is awful. So yeah that
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  yeah, I hear you. Tell us how you really forget? Yeah?
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  No, Joe your what are your thoughts on that line with helping helping clients
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  and meeting your sales goals exceeding your sales goals? In this article here with
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  the banks they have these employees have an ethical responsibility to act in the best
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  interests of their customers, and this means providing accurate information, offering products and
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  service that they need. You look at the pressure to sell. There is
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  a pressure to sell. I have friends who hate selling and they were in
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  the banking industry and they got out just the fact that they weren't meeting the
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  targets and they felt that pressure that they were incompetent. They couldn't do it.
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  It comes to a point where we need our regulatory compliance and we do
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  have in Canada that Financial Consumer Agency of Canada, but they're known to be
• 21:37
  toothless. There's no real enforcement of that, and I think that's where we
• 21:41
  need to look at that agency there maybe I think in the article talked about
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  twenty million dollars in fines over the last twenty years compared to the US,
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  where there are regulators in the UK as well have issued billions of fines over
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  the past ten So we have to look at the agencies that are protecting and
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  overseeing the bank regulators in terms of this pressure tactic. And when a client
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  says no once twice, you have to be able to be cognizant of the
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  fact that we don't want to cross that line. And so we are crossing
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  that line when employees are prioritizing meeting sales targets over ethical behavior and customer welfare.
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  So that to me is crossing the line is when you're not putting the
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  customers first in terms of what their needs are. When you were saying that,
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  actually when you're both talking. I saw a great documentary, not a
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  documentary, was a film, but it was all based on in truth.
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  I was called Dope Sick, and it was about the sales associated with oxycotton.
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  When oxycotton was this miracle painkiller drug that was changing lives and get your
• 22:42
  life back, reclaim. We're helping clients take back their control of their lives
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  and conquer pain. And it was pitched and the salespeople were just making cash,
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  hand over fist and it was up the dose and all these nifty slogans.
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  There were pillows and plushies shaped like the soft animals, shaped like oxy
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  cotton tells. This obviously predates the the opioid epidemic, but it caused the
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  opioid epidemic. And it was all because of you know, push push,
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  push, cell cell sell until wor get out. This is not ethical.
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  It's still continued, I mean, but it's that line, right, that
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  line of what is ethical? Are you here to make money or help people?
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  Talking about societal contagion here, And I think it's really important that you
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  do actually bring up the dope sick example with oxytoxin Great Movies, because quite
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  frankly, you're talking about you know, industries that are preying on people in
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  ways that are creating unforeseen or maybe foreseen side effects that verberate throughout our society,
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  causing you know, people like our Deputy mayor here to have to deal
• 23:41
  with very real implications, whether it's somebody who has become addicted to opioids and
• 23:47
  has ended up on the streets and is causing situations that you have to deal
• 23:49
  with from a health and human services point of view, or whether it is
• 23:55
  someone who has been preyed on financially and right lost their safe as a result
• 24:00
  of it, who has ended up on the street and is causing situations for
• 24:03
  the Deputy mayor that you have to deal with through a health and human services
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  lens. I mean, these are very real issue and that's why I'm using
• 24:11
  this term social contagion because it spreads because it is being pushed and that is
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  the very real concern, and that's why we need to have strong regulators,
• 24:21
  strong legislation to be able to deal with this, because the add on effects
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  of this are far more than just the one victim who ended up addicted to
• 24:30
  a drug or ended up losing their life savings. It is the add on
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  effect to the society writ large, where now everybody in that city has to
• 24:37
  collectively take care of that person. Because that's the way our legislation works.
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  You need to provide an adequate number of shelter beds. You need to be
• 24:45
  able to provide an adequate number of meals if you want to you know,
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  not see the drop off effects quite frankly, So this social contagion is real
• 24:52
  and it's something it needs to get a handle on it. And in the
• 24:55
  fact that it's happening in our banking sector not surprising. But this is what
• 24:57
  government's for. So government got a government. Yeah, quick break, we're
• 25:02
  gonna come back nine forty four. Keep it here. Dan McDonald show with
• 25:04
  our roundtable guests Joe Backetty and John Lidkey. Don't go away. Hey,
• 25:11
  good morning and welcome back. It's Dan McDonald. Welcome back to our roundtable
• 25:15
  as well Deputy Mayor of Talent to come see Joe Backetty and host here on
• 25:18
  AM eight hundred CKLW and Roast City Politics. John Lidkey, This is an
• 25:22
  interesting one. The headline red leave our town alone. York One Waste Solutions
• 25:26
  wants to transform an old landfill in Dresden into a recycling facility for construction material.
• 25:32
  So, as I understand it, not the stinky garbage like, it's
• 25:36
  more like construction material type of garbage. Residents are strongly opposed to the idea
• 25:40
  and they learned about it just in January, and they're really pushing back should
• 25:44
  the location be relocated? Because of the response from the municipality, I would
• 25:49
  love to hear your thoughts of this. They're saying lack of public consultation and
• 25:52
  the Municipality of Chatham Kent not backing down in its fight against this proposed waste
• 25:56
  management facility. The municipality follow a submission and the mayor is penning a letter
• 26:02
  to Ontario's Ministry of the Government of the Environment on this. They're saying,
• 26:06
  no, we don't want this landfill. We just found about out about this,
• 26:07
  we don't want it. Your thoughts on this? This is I feel
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  like this is going to be a never ending situation with all kinds of things.
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  And Joe, you said you've dealt with with similar situations before, but
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  what are your thoughts on on this case here? Well, this is a
• 26:19
  classic example of red flags all over the place. You've got a company here
• 26:23
  coming in November, purchasing the property and almost you know, perception wise,
• 26:30
  trying to sneak something in without much public debate, much information coming to the
• 26:36
  community or the residence or even the council itself, right, And so in
• 26:40
  this case here Dresden and Chatham Kent, the mayor and council unancy are penning
• 26:45
  a letter offering and in terms of you know, not supporting this uh purchase
• 26:51
  in in terms of application to the Ministry that that area there is the former
• 26:59
  juristic of the MPP, Marty McNaughton, So there's really and he resigned,
• 27:03
  so there's really no standing MPP right now at the moment. And so again
• 27:08
  you put all those things into play. Is this something where someone's trying to
• 27:11
  push something in without a voice at the provincial level. So you know,
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  you got to thank all our local MPPs. I know they've been working hard
• 27:19
  with Chatham Kent in terms of trying to raise this as an issue and as
• 27:23
  a concern, and it's valid. The residents there are crime foul because of
• 27:29
  the lack of public consultation, the lack of transparency in the application. So
• 27:34
  I know, I did have conversations with MPP Trevor Jones and he's made some
• 27:42
  lobbying activists towards the ministry and they are reviewing it. So right now this
• 27:48
  application is under review because this company is trying to use an old permit to
• 27:52
  mow and move forward, and so it's not just a matter of you know,
• 27:56
  bringing recycling material and you know, have all these coming down the road
• 28:00
  from Toronto. It's not right, it's not fair. And so I give
• 28:04
  credit to Chatup Kent Council for standing up and advocating for the people there,
• 28:10
  because we need to listen to the residents in that case. Right, Okay,
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  John, your thoughts on this one this morning? I got no buy
• 28:15
  in on this one, so I guess I can really just like let out
• 28:18
  my thoughts on it quite frankly. You know, listen, private business is
• 28:22
  going to do what private business is going to do. They bought the land,
• 28:26
  they're trying to use an existing permit and hoping that it's grandfathered in.
• 28:29
  They've put the application through to the province to try to get it. I
• 28:32
  think the biggest point of this is probably not the actual waste that's being brought
• 28:34
  here, but the fact that they're looking to expand it and then the question
• 28:37
  of well what might happen next. This is what we have public input for.
• 28:44
  This is a process that is inherently provincial. But when you have you
• 28:48
  know, the municipalities coming forward and complaining and saying, look, our residents
• 28:52
  don't want this, we don't want this. As the elected officials, we
• 28:55
  think that there should be some provincial consideration into it. I think the province
• 28:59
  is going to take that into account here, especially considering, as you said,
• 29:02
  the seats open. They're not wanting to look at, you know,
• 29:04
  not being able to pick up another seat here or take any hits. Quite
• 29:08
  frankly on the political file, I think that this would be a much bigger
• 29:12
  issue if this was you know, municipal waste, resident waste, stuff that's
• 29:17
  coming out of people's houses and not construction materials that they're hoping to recycle eighty
• 29:22
  percent of it by But again, I'm going to just take the easy answer
• 29:25
  here where I'm not gonna get yelled at by anyone. I think that the
• 29:27
  people who are most directly impacted by this should have a say an impact on
• 29:33
  what their community looks like. Yeah, agree that we always we always read
• 29:37
  rep at the round table to segment I call plugged in. And I also
• 29:38
  want to take a minute to introduce someone who showed up for the plugged in
• 29:42
  segment, political consultant Paul Senate Paul, you came at the right time.
• 29:48
  Yeah, I blame it on the daylight saving time. Somehow this disappointment ended
• 29:52
  up on my calendar for ten ams. That's exactly what we thought. I
• 29:56
  just don't get it. Well, Hey, sorry, I know I missed
• 29:59
  a great disc It was a good time. Nobody. Hey, but you're
• 30:02
  here and you're you're totally allowed to do the plugged in, Like, what
• 30:04
  would you like to plug in this morning? That makesally the same as the
• 30:07
  last time I'm here. The time is fast approaching. April first, on
• 30:10
  April Fool's Day, appropriately at fog Lounge and Canna be launching a Windsor's new
• 30:15
  satirical website, nice the Daily Bungle. Yes, it's not news, but
• 30:21
  it's relevant. It's gonna be a satirical look at news and Windsor and Essex
• 30:25
  County the people, you know, others have done it very successfully, yeah,
• 30:29
  global, you know, on a national scale, like you know Colbert
• 30:32
  and everything. I think it's a way to reach out to a new,
• 30:36
  younger generation. A lot of people get their news from where it's Instagram and
• 30:40
  Colbert Report and things like that. Uh So it's a way to foster discussion
• 30:45
  and have a little fun with it at the same time. We know it's
• 30:47
  so funny when it comes to getting news back in the day. The big
• 30:48
  major headlines when I was in high school, how I kind of found out
• 30:52
  found out But a lot of them was from watching the late night monologues from
• 30:55
  Jay Leno and David Letterman, because they did it was it was presented in
• 30:57
  a comedic context. But I would say, Ooh, what is that they're
• 31:00
  talking about here? And I would kind of go, like, look it
• 31:03
  up in the newspaper, in the magazine if there was no Internet, But
• 31:07
  yeah, how do we get their interesting it? So yeah, I wouldn't
• 31:11
  have known about the whole Clinton scandal if not for so help me. I'm
• 31:15
  glad you made it. For the final segment, Paul, it's it's good
• 31:18
  happy in studio. We thought you were partying too hard for Saint Patrick's stay
• 31:22
  unfortunately. Well, it's great to have you in here. Joe. Joe
• 31:25
  Bikeatti, Deputy mayor town to Cumcie. What would you like to plug in
• 31:27
  this morning? Thank you? Dan. I got two quick plugs. The
• 31:30
  first one we're in my hat as a board of director member for the Giovanni
• 31:33
  Cabodo Club. Shout out to our President Robert Braid. Under his leadership,
• 31:37
  the club's membership finally made a historic decision to allow all genders to become members,
• 31:42
  which will allow us to take significant steps toward inclusivity. A lot of
• 31:47
  exciting things are happening at Cabodo Club leading up to the twenty twenty five centennial
• 31:52
  year celebration. But one particular event that's going to happen this fall is well
• 31:56
  underway, and it's the return of the Kobodo Gratfest, featuring local wineries and
• 32:00
  Koboda's famous foods. So make note in your calendar September thirteenth to fifteenth Cabodo
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  Grapefest is back. That's great to hear. Fantastic news. Second plug,
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  we're in another hat. As chair of the Essex County Library Board, we
• 32:14
  are kicking off our Pitching Cleanup Challenge. This is part of the great global
• 32:19
  cleanup initiative that our Library Board is promoting. Each local branch will have available
• 32:22
  cleanup kits that contain donated bags gloves, so any residents can go to their
• 32:28
  local library and get their kits. Dates for the spring challenges from March twenty
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  three to April twenty seven, So bring out your family, friends, get
• 32:36
  active, keep our community clean and most importantly stay safe. And when done,
• 32:40
  fill out a ballot and take a photo and use a hashtag ecl Cleanup
• 32:45
  and we will post on our social media special thanks our community partners, Essex
• 32:50
  Region Conservation Authority and the Essex Windsor Solid Waste Authority. Hope to see a
• 32:53
  lot of participation. I hope so too, And I would love to talk
• 32:57
  to somebody from the Essex County Library more about that, because I'm a big
• 33:00
  fan of libraries. I love the Essex Scouty Libraries. That's why I did
• 33:02
  my book club with and yeah, that's a fantastic initiative. I love that.
• 33:07
  Thank you so much. Looking forward to absolutely last, but not least,
• 33:08
  mister John Licky, what would like to plug in this morning? Joe?
• 33:12
  Are there going to be like the big wooden vats with the grapes in
• 33:15
  it? Can I take off my shoes and stomp grapes? That's on the
• 33:17
  Sunday event. We're still under planning stages. But again, if you remember,
• 33:22
  this was started back in nineteen seventy one, ended in nineteen ninety two,
• 33:25
  it's been thirty years, but again, the feel is that we want
• 33:30
  to bring that feel back. So the grape stomping is one of the considerations,
• 33:32
  and we'll be sure you guys are all invited because I want to feel
• 33:37
  grapes between my toast. That sounds like fun. My plugged in, make
• 33:40
  sure to tune into Rose City Politics. We broadcast every Saturday. As you
• 33:45
  mentioned the top of the show, Dan, thank you so much. Fetch
• 33:47
  with John Lidkey my new podcast. You can get it wherever you get your
• 33:52
  podcasts. And you know, we're still seeing an increased anti Semitism and anti
• 33:59
  Islam behavior right now in our society and it's pretty gross and disgusting and we're
• 34:02
  so much better than that. So let's not and let's just keep trying to
• 34:07
  uh, you know, quote a Christian phrase, be our better angels.
• 34:10
  I like that. I think that's a Christian phrase. I don't know.
• 34:13
  I'm sure I do my best. John Lydkey, Joe Bihetti, Paul Senne,
• 34:19
  thank you so much for a great round table. Paul, thank you
• 34:21
  for a wonderful plugged in segment. All good, All good. More conversation
• 34:27
  is on the way. Keep it here. It's the Dan McDonald, Joe
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  on AM eight hundred