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Your Unofficial Guide To Enjoy Your Career · Two Broke Chicks

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  Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadagal Land Always was, always
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  Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land.
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  Speaker 2: Patiecs, I'm NOWT and I'm sal And this is Two
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  Speaker 2: Broke Chicks, the show that shares life lessons and tips
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  Speaker 2: to help make you rich in life.
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  Speaker 3: And welcome to your unofficial guide.
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  Speaker 1: To enjoying your career working that too fast a word
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  Speaker 1: word make?
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  Speaker 4: Let's go, Darling. I'm excited, me too.
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  Speaker 2: But before we get into it, what is your obsession
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  Speaker 2: of ZIV of Zivic?
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  Speaker 4: My obsession of the week is I just saw that the.
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  Speaker 1: Brand Commodore has released an actual flip phone.
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  Speaker 2: Commodore.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a tech company, you know how. Lots
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  Speaker 1: of different like lots of tech brands have been releasing
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  Speaker 1: flip phones in quotation marks over the last few years,
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  Speaker 1: but they're more like a tablet that you can flip.
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  Speaker 1: This is like an actual flip phone that looks like
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  Speaker 1: the ones that we had in the two thousand I'll
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  Speaker 1: show you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, cool. I know.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm very excited about this because I missed the
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  Speaker 4: flip phone, don't you. I don't know, the cunty little.
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  Speaker 1: Flip phone that like when you would finish a colony
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  Speaker 1: back and like.
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  Speaker 4: Really slap it closed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but this retrophone is actually designed to be kind
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  Speaker 1: of like one of those like brick phones that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have all the acts analog vibe yeah. Yeah, so it
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  Speaker 1: has the physical ten nine texting buttons like we used
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  Speaker 1: to have, which honestly I.
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  Speaker 5: Don't even know if I know how to do that anymore.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder if you would still have the muscle memory.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it is kind of like their answer to a
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  Speaker 1: digital detox, which I thought was really interesting.
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  Speaker 4: So it has no.
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  Speaker 1: Work apps, no email, no AI social media apps are
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  Speaker 1: completely blacklisted, so it's literally just a phone that you
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  Speaker 1: can use to text and call and it has like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the same functions and look as a phone from the
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  Speaker 1: two thousands, wow, which I think is interesting because I
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  Speaker 1: know that some people, I think, especially if your work
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  Speaker 1: is in like digital media and marketing and stuff like,
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  Speaker 1: quite a few people have two phones, like like a
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  Speaker 1: work phone, or even some places like their work will
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  Speaker 1: give them a phone and then they have a like
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  Speaker 1: a phone for.
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  Speaker 4: Their day to day use.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I would be interested to see if like
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  Speaker 1: how this actually goes with the launch and if people
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  Speaker 1: pick it up, and if it does sort of kickstart
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a trend of people. Yeah, digital detoxing
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  Speaker 1: a little bit and going back to just the good
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  Speaker 1: old text and phone call. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen lots of people even just like these, like
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  Speaker 2: like home phone vibe you put your phone into and
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  Speaker 2: it like gives you kind of like a landline kind
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  Speaker 2: of vibe.
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  Speaker 4: Or even people that they set.
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  Speaker 1: Up yet like a little hole dier in their kitchen
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  Speaker 1: and you put your phone in there so that you're
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  Speaker 1: not just always carrying it around.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, then you're actually gonna hear a phone ring.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, true.
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  Speaker 3: My god, if they bring it out in pink, I'll
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  Speaker 3: consider it.
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  Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, lucky girl. Yeah, what's your obsession?
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  Speaker 2: My obsession is a quick, little one, but it's just
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  Speaker 2: going to the markets. The last couple of weeks, I've
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  Speaker 2: really been like trying to find my little weekend side
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  Speaker 2: quests and do something that doesn't involve like going out
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  Speaker 2: in terms of like party, party, or like sitting at
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  Speaker 2: home in terms of sleepy sleepy. So I've been like,
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  Speaker 2: what are some little like fun little side quests, And
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  Speaker 2: I've just loved going to the markets recently. Love a
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  Speaker 2: little thrift, love a little coffee, especially on.
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  Speaker 5: Like a sunny winter day but also a summer day.
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  Speaker 5: Just trinket hunting. It's just been enjoying it. It's just
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  Speaker 5: been my obsession, just a little one.
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  Speaker 1: What's your favorite market in Sydney if you had to
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  Speaker 1: be hid Markets? Yeah, for sure, also really good.
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  Speaker 3: I want to go to the Surrey Hills Markets apparently.
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  Speaker 4: That's really good. I've also been there.
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  Speaker 2: Roselle Markets is is the best market you've ever been to?
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  Speaker 4: Worldwide?
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  Speaker 1: Worldwide Gleave Markets is definitely up there, but the best
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  Speaker 1: one I've ever been to was the one that we
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  Speaker 1: went to in notting Hill, ye in London, which is
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  Speaker 1: like the wankiest thing to say ever.
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  Speaker 4: But it's true. It was.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, I think there were so many times
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  Speaker 5: that I ran up to you and I was like, Tally,
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  Speaker 5: what is going on?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: It was easily some of the best thrift shopping for
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  Speaker 1: fashion and also for trinkets I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: They had like first editions of like Alice in Wonderland
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  Speaker 2: books and I was like, I think just the access.
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  Speaker 3: That they have in that part of the world was
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  Speaker 3: like og things. Yeah, ye, yep, a great I concur
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  Speaker 3: I backed that obsession okay into the episodes.
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  Speaker 4: So the un official Guide to be enjoying your career.
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  Speaker 2: Essentially, the problem is that like, we're all a little
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  Speaker 2: bit going through the motions, but hey, maybe some of
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  Speaker 2: you are listening, going like no, I love mine. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you skip.
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  Speaker 4: To the end.
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  Speaker 5: You know you're ahead of the class.
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  Speaker 4: But if you're.
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  Speaker 2: Feeling like you have a successful job in the field
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  Speaker 2: that you want to be in, you've got a stable income,
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  Speaker 2: you do well at your job, but you still aren't
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  Speaker 2: quite happy.
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  Speaker 5: On paper, everything seems great, but you're like, but what's wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is probably a good episode for you because
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  Speaker 2: on average, we spend one third of our lives at work, fuck.
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  Speaker 5: Or ninety thousand hours.
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  Speaker 3: I know, how insane is that.
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  Speaker 2: So it's important to make sure that we feel fulfilled
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  Speaker 2: with what we're doing.
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  Speaker 4: And despite this, many of us.
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  Speaker 2: Don't enjoy our work. And it's important to note that
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  Speaker 2: you're not going to enjoy your.
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  Speaker 5: Work at all times either.
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  Speaker 2: This is not a guide to toxic positivity in the
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  Speaker 2: workplace and being like I'm.
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  Speaker 5: So lanky and grateful, let we hear and thinking, you know.
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  Speaker 2: But it is important to like, if we're gonna swing
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  Speaker 2: the pendulum of majority of the time that you do
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  Speaker 2: feel fulfilled and happy in your career, because, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: you're spending ninety.
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  Speaker 5: Thousand hours there in your life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. According to Sikh's latest Workplace Happiness Index, nearly half
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  Speaker 2: of Australia's workforce are either neutral or unhappy with their job,
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  Speaker 2: and the data also tells us that fifteen percent of
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  Speaker 2: employees are actively unhappy in their current roles and around
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  Speaker 2: one in three people are regularly dreading going into work.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes me so sad. Have you ever dreaded
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  Speaker 4: going into work?
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  Speaker 5: And don't say this morning, don't say the joke.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, of course, yeah, yeah, I can think of lots
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  Speaker 1: of times.
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  Speaker 4: And also they're being like stretches.
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  Speaker 1: Of time in my career in the past where it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't just like a Monday morning, it was like every
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  Speaker 1: single day I was like, God, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: go to work.
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  Speaker 4: And that's a problem. That's not a good feeling.
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  Speaker 1: To have five days out of your seven day week. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And I do think even if you have
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  Speaker 1: your dream job kind of like you were saying, in
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  Speaker 1: your job seems perfect on paper. A big part of
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  Speaker 1: this is hustle culture and that constant expectation to be
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  Speaker 1: on and to really go above and beyond what your
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  Speaker 1: job description says, which sometimes can be great if you're
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  Speaker 1: really passionate or if you've got a big project and
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  Speaker 1: you're like, no, I'm gonna put in their extra hard yards.
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  Speaker 1: But if it's something that is constant, like nobody can
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  Speaker 1: do that twenty four to seven, Like no one can
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  Speaker 1: give more than one hundred percent all the time. Like
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  Speaker 1: that is that this whole idea of like rise and
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  Speaker 1: grind and work being your entire life is why so
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  Speaker 1: many people feel burnt out.
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  Speaker 2: There's also this thing on the Internet at the moment,
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  Speaker 2: and it's this rise of the concept of doom jobbing.
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  Speaker 2: So this is like corporate doom scrolling. So it's the constant,
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  Speaker 2: aimless sifting through job ad after job ad, and it's
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  Speaker 2: the uncomfortable middle ground of job seeking where people know
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  Speaker 2: they want a different future, but they don't go for it.
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  Speaker 2: And whether that's out of fear or because the whole
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  Speaker 2: process feels too exhausting, but people usually tend to this
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  Speaker 2: behavior when they've been laid off or are feeling unhappy
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  Speaker 2: or dissatisfied with their current role.
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  Speaker 4: I've absolutely done this same.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever been like looking for a new job
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  Speaker 2: at your job and then you had like all the
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  Speaker 2: tabs open?
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I've shared my screen and there was Sikh tabs.
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  Speaker 1: No, because if it was LinkedIn, you could be like
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  Speaker 1: I was updating me it was yeah, and I was like, oh, well.
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  Speaker 4: Hopefully you didn't say it.
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  Speaker 2: But I also like just didn't like the job enough
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  Speaker 2: that I was like, whatever, even if you did, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly, You're like, well, now you know how I feel.
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  Speaker 1: I've definitely been there, and I've had that experience as well.
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  Speaker 1: More so in my experience where I've had that fear
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  Speaker 1: of not applying for something because I was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like scared of change or didn't want to put myself
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  Speaker 1: out there too much, or in a job interview like
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  Speaker 1: maybe not articulating my experience or my passion enough because
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  Speaker 1: I was scared, like and then afterwards being like fuck,
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  Speaker 1: like why did I do that?
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  Speaker 4: Why didn't I put myself out there?
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  Speaker 1: So I do think a lot of people experience that
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  Speaker 1: in lots of different forms. I've also seen this series
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  Speaker 1: online recently from this content creator Hannah Annie and it's
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  Speaker 1: called my job.
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  Speaker 4: Is making me dumb? Have you seen this? I think
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  Speaker 4: I saw one of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I thought it looks really cool.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not that your job itself is stupid or dumb.
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  Speaker 1: You know, of course, lots of people put a lot
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  Speaker 1: of hard work and effort into the jobs that they have,
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  Speaker 1: But it's the idea of when your job becomes too
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  Speaker 1: mundane because you've been in it for too long and
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  Speaker 1: it's not actually aligned with what you want and your passions,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe it's not challenging you. Have you felt like
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  Speaker 1: that before, because I feel like we've both been in
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  Speaker 1: jobs where you're kind of in the same role for
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  Speaker 1: a long time.
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  Speaker 4: I'm trying to think.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I definitely have, and like having conversations
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  Speaker 1: with some people, it's like you realize that you're good
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  Speaker 1: at the job that you're doing, and you're doing a
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  Speaker 1: good job. You're getting the task done, but maybe it's
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  Speaker 1: not stimulating you or exciting you in a way that
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  Speaker 1: it did when you first began, or you've hit that
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  Speaker 1: ceiling where you're not growing anymore, which I think is
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  Speaker 1: it's a hard thing to grapple with because yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, you're ticking all the boxes, and you're probably
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  Speaker 1: hitting your KPIs or the things that have been set
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  Speaker 1: for you, but it's just maybe not exciting in the
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  Speaker 1: same way that it is because then you're also sort
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  Speaker 1: of doing.
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  Speaker 4: The same thing day in and day out.
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  Speaker 1: It conditions your brain to sort of be that way,
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  Speaker 1: and you're no longer actually taking in new information, and
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  Speaker 1: it becomes harder to go out and seek opportunities to
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  Speaker 1: take in new information, and so you end up just
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  Speaker 1: going home and like doom scrolling or doing things that
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  Speaker 1: don't excite you or stimulate you. So Hannah's had this
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  Speaker 1: experience with her job, and so she's created this series
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  Speaker 1: to show how she's stimulating her creativity and intellectual desires
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  Speaker 1: outside of her nine to five, which she feels like
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  Speaker 1: doesn't scratch that itch. So some of her videos have
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  Speaker 1: documented her activities outside of her job, which is like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, visiting an art gallery through the lens of
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  Speaker 1: an exhibition designer, or catching up with a friend that
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  Speaker 1: you haven't caught up with in a while, and just
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  Speaker 1: like looking for opportunities outside of your job to find
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  Speaker 1: those opportunities to learn and grow and maybe find something exciting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that.
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  Speaker 2: I think as well, it does come into a really
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  Speaker 2: important conversation around like decentering your work work a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously it's incredibly important in terms of like being able
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  Speaker 2: to pay our bills, you know, and I'm not trying
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  Speaker 2: to minimize that, and to also I want to acknowledge that,
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  Speaker 2: like when you don't have a job, having a job
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  Speaker 2: is like very important. And I don't want anyone to
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  Speaker 2: be like, I don't want this to come across as
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  Speaker 2: like it's not important or that like fuck working, because
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  Speaker 2: there are people you know, out there trying to get
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  Speaker 2: jobs and they're like, I can't get a job.
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  Speaker 5: I would love to be able to decenter my.
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  Speaker 2: Work, Yeah, but I can't because you know, and that's
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  Speaker 2: absolutely such a valid point. But for those who have
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  Speaker 2: work as their entire universe, like your work and your
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  Speaker 2: career is the sun, and everything else is just planets
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  Speaker 2: revolving around it, that's when it's time to like decenter
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  Speaker 2: work from your life and your personality, because the danger
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  Speaker 2: of having an all consuming job leaves you with zero energy,
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  Speaker 2: like after work, it becomes the center of your universe,
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  Speaker 2: and you end.
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  Speaker 5: Up losing your entire personality to it.
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  Speaker 2: We've spoken a lot recently about how we're trying to
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  Speaker 2: move away from this idea and this thing of being busy,
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  Speaker 2: like how have you been? Oh yeah, good busy? Like
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  Speaker 2: being busy is not a personality trait. And so if
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  Speaker 2: you feel like that, and if you know you're stuck
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  Speaker 2: in a job or career that doesn't feel you, you
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  Speaker 2: can try to retake those rains back and take control
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  Speaker 2: over where you putting your brain to.
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  Speaker 1: There is research surrounding this about like dopamine loops, and
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  Speaker 1: you can actually get into a dopamine loop with work,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like an actual addiction to the dopamine hit
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  Speaker 1: you get from doing work and doing a good job
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  Speaker 1: or completing a task. That if that is the case,
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  Speaker 1: you need to reallocate where you're getting your dopamine from.
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  Speaker 1: Because apps, I'm absolutely in that have been in that
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  Speaker 1: phrase of like being like I'm going to do this
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to do that, And like if starting
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  Speaker 1: a project is literally like four play to you, then
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  Speaker 1: like one guilty, same, I get you. Then like decentering
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  Speaker 1: work is probably something to look at in your life. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can see that, and I think a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people would be able to relate to that, and I
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  Speaker 1: think kind of like what you were saying before, with
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  Speaker 1: some people don't really have the choice to decenter work
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  Speaker 1: from their life.
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  Speaker 4: Also, like a lot of us.
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  Speaker 1: Don't necessarily have the choice to have control over what
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  Speaker 1: we do in our day to day at work, and
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  Speaker 1: you don't really get to call the shots when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to like what you get to do and the
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  Speaker 1: things that make you excited. Like I definitely think people
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  Speaker 1: should speak up for themselves more at work and like
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  Speaker 1: pitch things that they feel passionate about. But positive psychology
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  Speaker 1: expert Jodi Wellman suggests that because we don't have that
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  Speaker 1: ability to exercise agents and free will as much at work,
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  Speaker 1: because we have like tasks or expectations that we're getting
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  Speaker 1: paid to do and that we have to do, using
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  Speaker 1: agency outside of your job is so important and that
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  Speaker 1: is an important step of decentering work from your life.
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  Speaker 1: And like actually looking for things that you can control
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  Speaker 1: and get enjoyment from.
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  Speaker 4: Outside of your work. So whether that is like.
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  Speaker 1: Starting a new hobby or joining a fitness class or
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  Speaker 1: a sports team, or volunteering even or signing up to
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  Speaker 1: a course to learn something that has nothing to do
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  Speaker 1: with your job, like looking for a sense of purpose
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  Speaker 1: in your life outside of your job. That kind of
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  Speaker 1: fuel some of those things for you. And like you said,
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  Speaker 1: that could replace that dopamine loop for you because it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you might be learning a language or pottery or something. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like at the end of the day, you're
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  Speaker 1: doing that purely for yourself. Like there'll probably be a
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  Speaker 1: teacher there, you know, being like good job, Like you
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  Speaker 1: can work on this, but you're not being held to
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  Speaker 1: the same standard or expectations as you would be in
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  Speaker 1: the workplace.
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  Speaker 4: It's like purely for yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Jodie also says that there's a cultural expectation that work
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  Speaker 1: is an almighty delivery system for purpose and meaning in life,
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  Speaker 1: which a lot of people associate their entire identity with
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  Speaker 1: their job. And if you have a shit day at
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  Speaker 1: work or you make a mistake at work, you're a failure.
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  Speaker 4: Like I think a lot of people feel that way.
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  Speaker 1: So if you do feel like that, one know that,
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  Speaker 1: like making mistake at work probably isn't going to be
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  Speaker 1: the end of the world for most people. Like if
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  Speaker 1: you accidentally send an email to the wrong person or
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  Speaker 1: something like, it's going to be okay, And that's why
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  Speaker 1: it's better to focus on some of those small changes
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  Speaker 1: outside of work.
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  Speaker 4: That you actually can control.
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  Speaker 5: What are some of the ways that you decenter work
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  Speaker 5: from your life.
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  Speaker 1: I think trying to have more activities and things going
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  Speaker 1: on in my five to nine So obviously like you're
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  Speaker 1: nine to five, it feels like your work the work week,
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  Speaker 1: like Monday to Friday.
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  Speaker 3: Previously, I would have looked at it like that's just
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: entirely work.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: It's entirely dedicated to work.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: And then I think when we went through lockdown, and
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: it was harder for us to figure out when the
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: boundary the boundary and when the workday started and began,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: like that was harder to switch off.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: So I think I just try to have like little.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Things on during the week that add a little bit of.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: Joy every workday.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: So even if that is like knowing that I've got
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: my favorite TV show to watch, or like a certain
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: YouTube video comes out, or you know, trying to catch
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: up with people during the week, Just like little things
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: like that to look forward to between Monday to Friday,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I think is so important.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think changing for me, changing environments is absolutely
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: the thing that like signals to my brain being like normal.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the physical physical office.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like and you know, there's a lot
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: of conversation around you know, work from home versus office,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: And I think going into going and changing environments is
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: absolutely one of the best ways to decenter work from
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: your life. And so going into an office, working in
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: the office and then going home like that to your brain,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: signals are right, time to switch off. But whether or
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: not that's going to a cafe, whether or it's you know,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: going to a market, Like what are the changes If
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: you are on a weekend and you find yourself and
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: you're thinking about work the whole time you're at home
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: and you're thinking, I'm going to pick up my laptop
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: and do a little bit of work.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: You need to immediately change the environment.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Go for a walk outside, go up to the shops,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: have a little walk around, defe David Jones said, or
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: something like that, you know, and change the environment. And
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: making an environment that you would never work in, like
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: making it impossible for yourself your brain to associate work
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: to that environment is how you can decenter it because
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: you have never worked there before. You're not going to
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: work through a walk through a market and open up
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: your emails. You've just never done that before in your life,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: so why would you do it now?
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: And so that's like a good.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Way that I've kind of decented it because I'm like,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: if I have done it in that environment, I can
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: have the habit of reaching for it or thinking about it.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that physical.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Shift, I think as well, like having if you struggle
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: to set those boundaries for yourself, like using your focus
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: tools and do not disturbs on your phone is also
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: a great way and make them automatically turn on to
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: five point thirty bye bye, no emails, no slacks. Whatever
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: it is that you can't even see it, and it
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: might be a little bit of a process like you might,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: you know, be checking it out of an anxiety loop
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: that you're in.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: But it will get better.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. It's a muscle that you have to build.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: So how to kind of flip this a little bit
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: and how to actually enjoy the nine to five.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: We've spoken about how to enjoy maybe.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: The five to nine. Yeah, but now to flip it.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, flip it and reverse it.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: The first step is build your career garden. We've all
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: heard of the career ladder. It's a very traditional term
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: that probably a lot of us are used to, but
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: it's outdated and it's not really relevant to the development
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: and wellbeing of ourselves in our career in the modern world.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: So the career garden is a concept that we're going
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: to use to replace the career ladder. Your career garden
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: is basically just another way to reframe your professional success.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: So instead of.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Your career shooting upwards and you're always reaching for that
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: next rung, the next step in the ladder, you can
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: cultivate your wins and determine and your value based on
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: what you've planted and how it's growing, not by how
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: high you've climbed. So it's more like looking at it
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: like in a kind of more even horizontal, holistic way,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: rather than something that is always having to improve and
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you're always having to climb for and reach for.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: So just like you would if you were gardening, you.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Are, you know, tending to the seeds and the plants,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: and you're watering things, and like some things might start
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: to die and then you can get them back, you
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: can bring them back to life. And it's more about
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: looking at it as a way that something that you
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: can take care of and is ongoing and always growing
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: and always changing, and you can also get to a
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: place where you're kind of like happy with it and
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: maintaining it and you're not always having to feel that
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: pressure of like going up and chasing the next thing.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: One percent.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: There's also a thing like a framework called the Twelve
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Points of Pleasure. So it's basically a self assessment tool
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: that involves analyzing twelve categories and using a ranking system
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: of statements in those categories to work out what you
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: most align with because sometimes we know we've had dilemmas
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: from chicksent in that it's like you end up in
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: something that you're like, I actually don't know if this
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: is fueling me. I don't know if this is soiling
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: my garden. You know.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: What?
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Is it fertilizing?
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So the.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Twelve Points of Pleasure are the pleasure of making money,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: the pleasure of beauty, the pleasure of creativity. Then it
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: goes into understanding self expression, technology, helping others, leading, teaching independence,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: order and nature. And this reminds me very similarly to
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: a practice people do just within life that they can
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: do a therapy where you get given certain values and
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: you have to choose like the top five values you have.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: That's kind of the same thing with this.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: So each of these.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Twelve categories include statements underneath. For instance, you know the
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: helping others section, it might say as a child, I
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: loved being asked to help with tasks because it made
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: me feel useful, and then you give that a score
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: of zero to two based on how accurate it is
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: to you. So this allows you to kind of see
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: whether what you're doing now meets your twelve points of
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: what you want to be doing. If it does amazing,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: if it is maybe in the middle. It can help
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: you realign where you want to spend your time in
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: your workplace. And if it's completely batshit fucking gone out
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: the window, you can be like, maybe time to hang
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: up the tools.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah you know.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is a really good strategy to reflect
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: on what matters to you most. And I really love
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: how there's no wrong answer. Yeah, Like, if like I
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: think of myself, I think of myself as quite an
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: ambitious person, and I am like, I make the joke
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: all the time that maybe one day I'll just go
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: work in a book cafe and blah blah blah.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: But then you always laugh at me.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Because you're like, you literally wouldn't be able to do that,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: like you would evaporate.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: I think you'd be able to do that.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: But sometimes you'll be like, oh, i'd go like live
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: in the woods and you know, just read all day
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: and I'm like the book cafe.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I could see you probably turn into a franchise success.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, and.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: I like that's me.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Like I right now, I feel like quite ambitious and
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: having ambition is important to me in terms of purpose,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: and I like that, but I also think, you know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: helping others, self expression and creativity are so important to
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: me in terms of life and ensuring that my work
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: reflects that.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: And if I am feeling overwhelmed.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Or stressed, it's probably because I haven't been leaning into
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: those twelve points enough in work.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: What are the twelve points that you're like immediately drawn to.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I think that kissing, Yeah, kissing. Oh wait, shit, that
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: wasn't on there, Damn what's that? I think that's it
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: probably sounds wanky, But the helping others one, I think
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: is surely the.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: One that most people or a lot of people are
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: aligned to.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Because what popped into my head is whenever we get
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Like some of my favorite episodes to record are the
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: like Chicks Chats and Advice with the Chicks and when
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: people actually trust us with their dilemmas and want our advice,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: or when we get dms from new Chicks and they're
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: like just want to say, like I love the cheat sheet,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Like you know, just moved into a new house and
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I was able to get X y Z on sale,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: or I've been looking for these boots forever and finally
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: got them.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Like even if it's just something that small.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Or if it's like a serious dilemma about a relationship
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: or just feeling like they belong to a community, that's
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: definitely where I get the most like joy and pride
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: out of our work.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I would probably say that one agreed.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I really like that because it's self
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: assessment and reflection is honestly like the best thing you
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: can do for yourself to understand where you want to go.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like career, like
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: we said, is so important, work is so important, and
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: as someone.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Who like you know, enjoys really is lucky enough to
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: enjoy their career and their work and gets a lot out.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Of it, it's not the number one priority in life.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: So like, you're not and I've said this before on
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: the podcast, you are not.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: Going to get to the end of your life.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: And you're like they're doing the eulogy and they're like, oh,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: she always made a great spreadsheet. Yeah, she was never
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: late for a meeting, and she always replied to emails
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: in the same business take.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: No one's going to.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Say that, you know, so really looking at what you
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: want in life and enjoying but remembering that like, yes,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: we need to work to pay bills and do that,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: but you don't live to work.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: You work to live.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: And that is like if I could tattoo that on
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: my forehead, I would for myself and for everyone.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: I got your tattoo about you of your birthday.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure it was a matching one. Damn that's
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: so well. I can't wait. You don't get on my ass? Yeah,
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: trump stamp?
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: Love that would you get a Trump stamp?
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Well? On that note, this is a wrap for this
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: episode of Two Broke Kicks.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having us in your ear holes.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: La La La love will be here, love it, kisses, cuddles,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: fake but