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Stephen Nesbitt ranks MLB expansion cities + Marc Luino's Mets playoff rotation, Soto's special season · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Stephen Nesbitt is here. You can catch all of his
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  Speaker 1: articles in The Athletic and give him a follow at
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Jay and has bit on Twitter.
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  Speaker 2: Stephen, good to see you. Hows everything good guys?
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  Speaker 3: How you guys doing.
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  Speaker 2: We're good, We're good.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with the column you put together with Chad
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  Speaker 1: Jennings on contender schedules. The rest of the way we
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  Speaker 1: obsess over schedules for these last few weeks. We do
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  Speaker 1: it all the time. I get to read the schedules out,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think? What did you write about?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is an exercise we started last year where
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  Speaker 4: I find, as a fan growing up, like you're very
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  Speaker 4: aware of your team's schedule and it matters deeply to
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  Speaker 4: you when you get into the stretch run. And yet
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  Speaker 4: it's pretty hard to keep track of what everybody's schedule live,
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  Speaker 4: and so we tried to limit it to the teams
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  Speaker 4: that have a realistic shot of the postseason. And this
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  Speaker 4: was looking at the next two weeks. We'll do it
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  Speaker 4: again in two more weeks and have the last two
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  Speaker 4: weeks of the regular season and sort of a bite
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  Speaker 4: sized way to look ahead and say, Okay, we're trailing
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  Speaker 4: this team. By two games in the standings, but our
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  Speaker 4: schedule looks a lot easier coming up. Let's take advantage
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  Speaker 4: of this stretch and then maybe they'll have a hard
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  Speaker 4: time moving forward. It's a good way to see that. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: the Padres have a super easy schedule the rest of
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  Speaker 4: the way, The Dodgers have an easy schedule. The Yankees
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  Speaker 4: are gonna go through it right now, and then it
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  Speaker 4: gets easy after that that.
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  Speaker 3: The Tigers have a little.
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  Speaker 4: Bit of a couple of tough series of the Mets
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  Speaker 4: and Yankees coming up. So I find it as a
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  Speaker 4: fun way to in sort of the dog days of
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  Speaker 4: August and September, look ahead a little bit and consider
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  Speaker 4: what we have coming up next.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So then I'll ask, can anybody outside the playoffs
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  Speaker 5: use their schedule to their advantage to make a run
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  Speaker 5: and get in the Rangers, the Royals, or someone having
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  Speaker 5: a tough schedule like maybe the Mariners having a tough
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  Speaker 5: schedule or the Mets having a tough schedule to make
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  Speaker 5: a run and get back into this thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: The playoff picture, unfortunately, is like pretty sewn up at
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  Speaker 4: this point. I think the Rangers have a shot, and
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  Speaker 4: that's probably it. I don't think the Guardians. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think the Royals are probably gonna gonna make the run.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the Mariners are certainly susceptible, and so if
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  Speaker 4: we look at who they have coming up this live,
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  Speaker 4: they got a tough road, right the Rays, Braves, Cardinals, Angels.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, they have a good road. It's to the
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  Speaker 4: wrong color here. The Mayor's a very friendly schedule the
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  Speaker 4: next two weeks and one of the more friendly schedules
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  Speaker 4: the rest of the way.
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  Speaker 3: And if you look at the.
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  Speaker 4: Rangers, they have Diamondbacks, Astros, good team, Brewers really good team,
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  Speaker 4: Mets good team, and so that's a much tougher next
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  Speaker 4: two weeks. I think we're seeing the twelve teams that
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  Speaker 4: are going to get in. At this point, the National
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  Speaker 4: League get not really a contest. I think the closest
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  Speaker 4: team is the Reds, and there are maybe four back
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  Speaker 4: of the Mets at this point. So I think we
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  Speaker 4: have our playoff field essentially set. But we've been fool before,
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  Speaker 4: even last year with the way the Mets and Tigers
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  Speaker 4: closed things.
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  Speaker 3: Out thanks thanks to Scott.
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  Speaker 5: Scott thinks the White Sox are getting in this year
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  Speaker 5: because amis scheduled So thanks for because I asked this
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  Speaker 5: question earlier on Twitter, so Scott. Scott said the White
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  Speaker 5: Sox were in possibly because their schedule lightens up.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know, I don't know. I thank you, Steven.
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  Speaker 1: With banana ball, they're in.
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  Speaker 2: You can eighty nine games in one game, and don't
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  Speaker 2: say that.
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  Speaker 5: Because banana ball is legit. Banana ball is legit. All right,
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna switch topics here a little bit. As a
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  Speaker 5: left handed hitter, you talked about Roman Anthony and how
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  Speaker 5: they let him hit off lefties except for the first
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  Speaker 5: game of his career where they pinch hit for him
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  Speaker 5: against the lefty. Since then, they've let him hit. He's learned,
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  Speaker 5: he's doing better. I know his numbers aren't as great. Listen,
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  Speaker 5: no lefty is ever gonna hit as good against lefties
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  Speaker 5: as they do against right He's no. There might be
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  Speaker 5: a guy, okay, I know overall, okay, just because you
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  Speaker 5: don't see him as much, it's a tougher matchup, all
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  Speaker 5: that stuff, right, But what have the Red Sox learned
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  Speaker 5: by letting him do this? And why aren't other teams
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  Speaker 5: doing this? Like the Orioles with Jackson Holiday, they were
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  Speaker 5: like I can't hit lefties right, and then all these
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  Speaker 5: other teams like, oh, automatically, it's like platoon, platoon, platoon.
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  Speaker 3: So what are the Red Sox showing the rest of
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  Speaker 3: the league.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is a I think a very
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  Speaker 4: unfortunate trend since I started covering baseball in twenty fourteen
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  Speaker 4: twenty fifteen is the prevalence of the platoon. No one
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  Speaker 4: likes to see it. The players certainly don't like to see.
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  Speaker 4: They fear it when they come up. They don't want
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  Speaker 4: to turn into a platoon guy. And especially left handed
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  Speaker 4: hitters are so susceptiblely getting pulled out, even if the
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  Speaker 4: manager calls it a rest day, it's effectively the same thing.
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  Speaker 4: You're shieldium from a left handed pitcher, often the very
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  Speaker 4: best ones in the league, and you're hoping that one
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  Speaker 4: of these guys that's a right hander who just excels
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  Speaker 4: against opposite handed pitching. You know, your Rob Ruth Sneinder
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  Speaker 4: is your Miguel Andrew Hars can come in off the
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  Speaker 4: bench and spell that lefty. And I think it's extremely unfortunate.
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  Speaker 4: I think you guys would have something to say about
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  Speaker 4: this as well, but as well, but I understand what
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  Speaker 4: the numbers say. I also understand, having just written about this,
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  Speaker 4: how good left handed pitching is right now. This is
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  Speaker 4: the best we've seen it compared to right handed pitching.
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  Speaker 4: The lefty era across the league is three point eight,
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  Speaker 4: the right era is four point three to one. It's
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  Speaker 4: not particularly close.
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  Speaker 3: Right now.
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  Speaker 4: This is the largest golf we've ever seen in the
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  Speaker 4: era era, which is going back to nineteen thirteen when
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  Speaker 4: became an official stat And so lefty pitching is so
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  Speaker 4: good right now, and left on left is as hard
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  Speaker 4: as ever been. But the other thing we wrote about
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  Speaker 4: in that story a couple of weeks back is right
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  Speaker 4: on left ain't good either. The platoon split is basically
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  Speaker 4: vanished for right handed hitters. Alex Bregman had good thoughts
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  Speaker 4: on that they're getting pitched differently, and guys have more pitches,
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  Speaker 4: they're throwing harder from the left side, they're willing to
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  Speaker 4: go to different areas come inside on the right handed hitter.
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  Speaker 4: So listen, if there's ever you know a time you're
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  Speaker 4: going to give left handed batters a chance to actually
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  Speaker 4: face both hands, I think it's right now. Let them
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  Speaker 4: show they can do something, because if you are not
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  Speaker 4: going to let them face that lefty. The one time
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  Speaker 4: you face a lefty'll, you know, this week a left
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  Speaker 4: handed starter. Good luck when you get to the postseason
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  Speaker 4: and need Roman Anthony to face, you know, Tanner Scott
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  Speaker 4: or one of these Yankees left handed starters. You need
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  Speaker 4: these guys to have experience facing top level left handeds.
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  Speaker 4: They're not facing them on the miners. And so that
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  Speaker 4: was what this story came out of, was a conversation
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  Speaker 4: I had with Roman Anthony, who I thought was so
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  Speaker 4: smart on this topic, so thoughtful on it, where he said,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the miners. My breakout year in twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 4: he won Red Sox Minor League Hitter of the Year.
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  Speaker 4: And yet he did it batting I think like two
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  Speaker 4: fifteen or so against lefties. He's like, my numbers like
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  Speaker 4: hit it. They obscured the fact that I couldn't hit lefties.
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  Speaker 4: And so I spent that whole offseason facing lefty pro
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  Speaker 4: hitters down in South Florida where he's from, facing every
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  Speaker 4: sort of angle pitching machine, the traject like everything that
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  Speaker 4: was at his disposal. He went after it to try
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  Speaker 4: to get better against lefties because he hadn't faced like
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  Speaker 4: any of us. He didn't face any as a kid
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  Speaker 4: and has been great against lefties ever since. And so
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  Speaker 4: when he came up, the Red Sox were thinking they
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  Speaker 4: would probably use him part time against lefties. And he
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  Speaker 4: had some awful starts right he struck up four times
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  Speaker 4: against Christopher Sanchez in a complete game for the Phillies lefty.
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  Speaker 4: But then they gave him another chance against Franber Valdez
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  Speaker 4: and some of these other lefties from the like Chicago
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  Speaker 4: and the Cubs and some other teams like that, and
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  Speaker 4: he's he's paid it off to paid off that opportunity
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  Speaker 4: where he's got a nine hundred oh ps against righty's.
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  Speaker 4: He's crushing righties. It's the reason he is in just
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  Speaker 4: part of a season. Is in the Rookie of the
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  Speaker 4: Year conversation. But he's also more than holding his own
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  Speaker 4: against lefties. He's got like a one to twenty oh
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  Speaker 4: ps plus. This guy can hit. He can hit for average, certainly,
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  Speaker 4: and he's showing a little bit of power too against lefties.
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  Speaker 4: The one thing that stands out there is velocity is
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  Speaker 4: not a problem, but his eye just seems to be
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  Speaker 4: more naturally geared toward facing right handed pitching. Where his
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  Speaker 4: you know he has walked to strike out. Rachel is
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  Speaker 4: much much worse. He's striking a lot against lefties. But listen,
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  Speaker 4: I'd rather him go through these bumps as a twenty
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  Speaker 4: one year old and throughout the course of his career
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  Speaker 4: not getting platooned than just assume at twenty one years old,
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  Speaker 4: platoon him now and hopefully he figures it out down
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  Speaker 4: the road. No, let him figure out now. If you
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  Speaker 4: can't do it in October, okay, you know, you make
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  Speaker 4: a call then, but in August and September, give the
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  Speaker 4: kid a chance.
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  Speaker 6: But obviously, Roman Anthony is an elite prospect. Are we
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  Speaker 6: going to even base on all the numbers that you
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  Speaker 6: just said? Are we going to go away from this
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  Speaker 6: because the game, I mean, are we going to continue
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  Speaker 6: to get even worse platoon splits here because of how
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  Speaker 6: cheap teams are. ROMEI Gonzalez will always cost way less,
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  Speaker 6: and I know it's not a comparable position will always
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  Speaker 6: cost way less. Rob Refschneider will always cost way less,
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  Speaker 6: just on the Red Sox team. Both those guys have
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  Speaker 6: a higher success, higher ops against lefties. So because teams
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  Speaker 6: are going for the cheap, we're gonna go and get
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  Speaker 6: somebody cheap and we're just not gonna need to play
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  Speaker 6: those guys against lefties. Or does there have to be
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  Speaker 6: almost like a whole MLB shift for this to change.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's gotta be a larger shift than certainly
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  Speaker 4: just Roman Anthony figuring things out right. Like, look at
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  Speaker 4: all the top prospects we'd get, like a Jackson Holliday
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  Speaker 4: to the major and they just don't hit the way
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  Speaker 4: you thought they were going to the way they projected to.
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  Speaker 4: Given their hit tool and all the production they had
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  Speaker 4: of the miners and their prospect status, it is so
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  Speaker 4: much easier to say, hey, Andrew har is out there,
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  Speaker 4: we can pay five hundred thousand dollars to take on
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  Speaker 4: the rest of his contract, and we have a guy
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  Speaker 4: we feel comfortable in a corner of field, spot or
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  Speaker 4: first base or DH and you can hit lefties. So
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  Speaker 4: I think there are enough of those guys out there
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  Speaker 4: that we will continue to see this platooning happen. I
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  Speaker 4: am not at all forecasting the end of platooning. I'm saying,
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  Speaker 4: in maybe smaller samples, the truly great left handed hitters there,
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  Speaker 4: we're seeing it, you know, a sort of pivot point
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  Speaker 4: I think in the game where maybe we've maybe we've
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  Speaker 4: gone a little bit too far with how unwilling we
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  Speaker 4: are to let them go through hard times against lefties,
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  Speaker 4: and there needs to be a moment where you say, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna let him. We're gonna take a month here,
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna let him face every left he we get
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  Speaker 4: thrown in there. We'll rest him some other day and
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  Speaker 4: we'll accept the numbers probably are not in our favor.
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  Speaker 4: But in the long term, we need a Roman Anthony
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  Speaker 4: or a Jackson Holiday to be able to hit left
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  Speaker 4: handed pitching, and so you know, we can platoon part
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  Speaker 4: of our lineup.
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  Speaker 3: He's not in that part anymore.
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  Speaker 4: We are going to have him be an everyday regular,
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  Speaker 4: a left or right handed pitching starter, And so I
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  Speaker 4: would I would hope we are headed in that direction
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  Speaker 4: where at least we're a little more opportunistic with who
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  Speaker 4: gets platooned rather than just sort of naturally assuming, hey,
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  Speaker 4: everybody on the bench, all the ready's on the bench,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to shuffle you into the lineup just because
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  Speaker 4: that's you know, that's what you do against the left
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  Speaker 4: handed pitcher.
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  Speaker 6: AJ hates power rankings, so I want you to give
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  Speaker 6: your power rankings for the six expansion cities and the
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  Speaker 6: realignment of how those cities could affect realignment in Major
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  Speaker 6: League Baseball.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'll go with the six that I just named.
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  Speaker 3: Is that okay? In my recent story?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So the six that I had I had in
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  Speaker 4: the east, Orlando, Raleigh, Nashville, and in the West.
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  Speaker 3: I had thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: It's easier West, I had Salt Lake City, Portland, and Austin.
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  Speaker 4: And so if I'm power ranking them, I'm thinking it's
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  Speaker 4: gonna be one from the East, one from the west.
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  Speaker 3: But I'll just do it all as one.
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  Speaker 4: Austin I think is last on my tier, mostly because
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  Speaker 4: they don't have sort of terribly organized effort. There is
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  Speaker 4: starting it, but it's sort of it's a couple of
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  Speaker 4: entrepreneurs who are starting the effort. It's not like it's
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  Speaker 4: a huge corporation. It's not like it's in set Lake
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  Speaker 4: City they have all the money that they're like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: we're starting the effort. No, it's a couple like guys
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  Speaker 4: with a dream. And so Austin sure has a lot
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  Speaker 4: of things in his favor, but not the organization so far. Orlando,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think baseball is crazy about another team in Orlando,
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  Speaker 4: they could get relocated. I suppose if the Rays end
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  Speaker 4: up as they get sold deciding they don't want to
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  Speaker 4: get that ballpark or can't get that ballpark in Tampa
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  Speaker 4: or Saint Pete, so I put them there. So I
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  Speaker 4: have left Nashville, Raleigh, Salt Lake City, and Portland, who
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  Speaker 4: it's close for all those, so actually ridden them separately
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  Speaker 4: because it doesn't make sense to do them together. I
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  Speaker 4: think if Portland is less likely than Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 4: Salt Lake City has every piece, as I wrote in
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  Speaker 4: that piece, like it's it's as turnkey as you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: get for an expansion franchise. They have a stadium site
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  Speaker 4: that's already shovel ready or getting very very close to it.
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  Speaker 4: They have all the money in the Miller family that's
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  Speaker 4: willing to bankroll this. They have bipartisans support everyone locally
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  Speaker 4: or so many people in local politics and state politics
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  Speaker 4: over there in Utah want this to happen. That's really
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  Speaker 4: big part of this that doesn't get talked about as much.
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  Speaker 3: They have public.
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  Speaker 4: Funding for half the ball parker or so Portland I
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  Speaker 4: think is close behind. I think they just don't quite
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  Speaker 4: have all of those things. They don't have the keystone
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  Speaker 4: investor there, and so I think Baseball MANJ League baseball
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  Speaker 4: would work both places, but I think Salt Lake City
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  Speaker 4: has to be considered the front runner at this point,
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  Speaker 4: and in the East. I think that was maybe what
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  Speaker 4: surprised people most from the reporting I did was that
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  Speaker 4: Raleigh seems to be a much more realistic option than
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  Speaker 4: they believed. And as I wrote, the reason they're realistic
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  Speaker 4: is they have the money lined up. Tom Dundan, who
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  Speaker 4: owns the Carolina Hurricanes and also just was part of
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  Speaker 4: a group that's buying the Portland Trailblazers right now, he
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  Speaker 4: wants to make it happen and bring baseball to North Carolina.
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  Speaker 4: There is also support from in local politics and so
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  Speaker 4: in some of the ways that Nashville has not been
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  Speaker 4: so public, baseball players would love to have it in Nashville. Generally,
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  Speaker 4: that's the city that wins running away when we ask
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  Speaker 4: players in various polls about where they would like to
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  Speaker 4: see an expansion franchise, Nashville is it. But they don't
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  Speaker 4: have the money yet quite yet. They don't have public
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  Speaker 4: funding quite yet, they don't have a stadium site quite yet,
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  Speaker 4: so that all can still come together before baseball goes
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  Speaker 4: public and ask for bids to come in.
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  Speaker 3: But at this very.
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  Speaker 4: Stage, I would pick Nashville because I think there's still
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  Speaker 4: a lot of momentum there, but they have a lot
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  Speaker 4: to figure out, which makes Raleigh a pretty intriguing number
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  Speaker 4: two option in the same way that Portland's pretty intriguing
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  Speaker 4: behind Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 1: Steven, before that, you wrote about your realignment plan. And
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  Speaker 1: I know it's been a minute now that this has
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  Speaker 1: been a topic of conversation, but it has been a
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  Speaker 1: hot topic of conversation. So instead of asking you for
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  Speaker 1: your whole plan, which we went over in a segment
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: on our show, how has it received?
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: What kind of feedback did you get?
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: And if you could go back and rewrite anything, would
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: you No.
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't change anything, and not because I'm unwilling to
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: do it. I just think it really worked. It really
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: made the map make more sense, and the feedback was
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: overwhelmingly positive. So Ken Rosenthal was texting that day with
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: just text he was getting from people around the league.
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: I said like, Hey, can we get your guys plan
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: to be the plan, which is I'm not taking that
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: much credit because Jason Stark literally wrote this exact same
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: thirty team alignment thirty two team alignment in twenty eighteen.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: I didn't realize until after.
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: I've finished mine, So it's not like I'm the first
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: one to say any of this, But it's well received
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: because I took the NFL model and they re aligned
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: in two thousand and two the Broaden in Houston, Texans.
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: They were able to re align in a way where
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: so you know a handful of teams got pulled into
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: the new South divisions, but other than that, they didn't
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: really rock the boat that much. He didn't cause that
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: many ripples and waves. You know, one team here changed conferences,
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: a team here changed divisions. But really it was like,
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: how do we take the existing structure, take out those
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: teams that are going to head to the South divisions,
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: and try to make the map just like more common sense.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: And there's some things that happened that don't make sense.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: The Indianapolis Colts are in the South and the Miami
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: Dolphins are not. That type of thing will happen because
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: the Dolphin and said we don't want to go. So
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: baseball could have that very thing happen as well. But
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: right now, I said what's the easiest way we can
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: We can put the map together and try to limit
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: how many teams we have crossing the leagues, and you
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: come away with an option like, okay, that like that
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: that cluster of teams is together. We're keeping almost everybody
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: in the same leagues. I was switching, just the Rays
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: and the Rockies switching leagues. And I think people realizeeing that, like, oh,
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: realignment doesn't have to be earth shattering, it doesn't have.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: To completely.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: Turn over what I thought the leagues looked like. I
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: don't have to learn all that much new stuff. Where
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: the the alternative, as I'm sure you talked about the
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: other days alternatives, you rip up the American National League
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: and you say, we're just going geographically.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: We're like the NBA.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: We want the four or five teams closest to each
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: other to be in the same division, or the eight
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: teams close to each other be in the same division,
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: and you just split basically at the Mississippi. I personally
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: don't think that's the way they're going to go because
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: the American National Leagues are so established and there's so
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: there's so much history there. Baseball loves its history. It's
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: sacred in so many ways that would the owners really
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: vote just to you know, the example that the commissioner
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: gave when he was in the Little League Classical, it
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, that ten pm game in the playoffs,
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: we get like West Coast team and an East Coast
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: team and nobody's happy. It's like, would you really blow
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: up the American National leagues because of that.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Ten pm game?
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: I don't know exactly how much money is on that one,
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: but that would surprise me if that was the number
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: one motivating factor. And so I think they keep the
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: American National Leagues. And that was my proposal, was to
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: do that and make as few changes as possible, and
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: I think it really works.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, good stuff.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we will get into it more in the offseason too, Steven, thanks.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: For stopping by. Man really appreciate the insight.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Everyone check out all the articles that he's been working
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: on in the Athletic Appreciate you.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Thanks guys.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Mark, what's up?
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: What's up? Scott? How are we doing?
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Got lost his ear? So I want to know why
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: your Diraftneckmark, That's what I want to know.
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: So I know it's hard to believe, but I was
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: about fifty pounds lighter when I was in college when
• 18:03
  Speaker 8: I got started, and my neck looked a little bit
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: longer and thinner based on how much less weight I had.
• 18:11
  Speaker 8: I'm at a healthy spot right now. But before it
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: was kind of goofy looking.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: You were fifty pounds lighter.
• 18:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, no, fifty pounds lighter. It was kind of crazy
• 18:19
  Speaker 8: to think about.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Wow, what did you do?
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Did you, Jim?
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Did you go on the Aerocrat's diet plan? No?
• 18:28
  Speaker 8: Honestly, like just being healthier, I think not being in
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: college and eating the dorm food and you know, having
• 18:35
  Speaker 8: some late night activities.
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: I think it was. It was one of those situations.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: There you go, all right, well you look good. How
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: do you feel right now?
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: As one of the hosts of Mets up about this
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Mets team, like what is the current pulse of where
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: you're at? As of course, you know, the team heading
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: into the season had the highest of expectations. They carried
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: that for a while, they had the lulls, and now
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: with the youngsters coming up, are you back? Want to
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: say on the bandwagon, you watch every pitch, but where
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: are you at?
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: I go back and forth every single day with this team.
• 19:06
  Speaker 8: I can watch the games one day and be so
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: back in and then like a Mets fan, watch them
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: play one bad game or one bad series like they
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: did against the Marlins and think, well, I don't really
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: know how much noise we can make.
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 19:16
  Speaker 8: It's it's a bizarre team in that the young guys
• 19:19
  Speaker 8: being called up has made me really excited.
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: With Tong and McLean, I think they.
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: Were a little bit of a youthful spark that this
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: team needed, brought some energy, and they're some of the
• 19:26
  Speaker 8: best pitchers on this team right now. The offense is
• 19:29
  Speaker 8: finally clicking, but the pitching is really scaring me. With
• 19:32
  Speaker 8: Manaiah and Codei and even Peterson struggling a little bit,
• 19:35
  Speaker 8: those guys just simply need to better be better if
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: we want any chance at all at making her run.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: All right, well, then let's I mean, let's dive into it.
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: I mean, you start with the most recent where Carlsmandoza said,
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: we're not really sure where we're going with Senga, Like,
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: do you believe that the route is blow up the rotation.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: Have everybody go for a month of try and say,
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: whoever does the best in the next month is our guys?
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: Do we trust. Do we trust anything besides David Peterson
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: and the rookies. You gotta start start with Sega. Do
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: you agree with Carlos Mendoza?
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: I do, Actually, I think right now, with what we've
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: seen from Sanga, it's pretty tough to rely on him
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: to be a game two, game three starter in the playoffs,
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: and we know that he's had some up and downs
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: with injuries. He's had a bit of a weird couple
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: seasons with the Mets with you know, missing time. But
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: at this moment, right now, with how funky and kind
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: of hyper specific, code I seems to feel within tune
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: to his body. He's talked about it after the game.
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: He's like, I'm working extra hard to make sure my
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: body's working right. It doesn't seem like everything is going
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: properly for code I Senga this year, and if he's
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: not one of the three best pitchers, especially because the
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: Mets look like they're gonna be playing in the wild
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: Card Series no matter what, I don't think you can
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: confidently throw him out there in a game that has
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: so much importance until he shows you something. And luckily,
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: the Mets do still have a month left and we
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: have a little bit of a cushion. We still have
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: the Reds, you know, at the end of the week here,
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: which could change things. But if CODEI steps up, I
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: have no problem putting him back in that you know,
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: game two, game three role, But at this exact moment,
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: I don't really trust him to get big outs in
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: the series right now.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Well, the Mets trusting him last year against the Phillies.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: They ran him out there and pitched all year.
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I don't choice.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: Now did you ever think that the big bad Mets,
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: with their seven hundred million dollar payroll, we need to
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: rookies to step in and save them. They were supposed to,
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: you know, Frankie mont Toss and this guy and that
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: guy and all these people they signed, and then it's
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: McLean and Tang and I came up and to save him.
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: Listen, I'd still rather have the seven hundred million dollar
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: payroll and still make the playoffs than have that disappointing
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: season like the Braves did this year and look.
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: So horrible, like at least we're still there. So it's
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: one of those things where it's like.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: I'm a White Sox fan, Mark, Okay, So let's just
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: say there's no disappointment.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: They're having a way better than they did last year.
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: Actually they've got some home players Coles to Montgomery, but no, seriously,
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: like the uh. I didn't expect the young guys to
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: have this much importance, and I don't particularly like it.
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: I'm glad that McLean has stepped up and shown that
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: he's able to pitch in big moments and be one
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: of our better pitchers. And I'm glad that we saw
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: Tom come up and he looked pretty good against the Marlins,
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: the only win we got against him in that series somehow,
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: but I wish that the pitching was a little bit better.
• 22:20
  Speaker 8: Just the fact that Manaia and Sanga, like you mentioned,
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: being the guys that are supposed to be the frontline starters,
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: and even looking at Mantas who was supposed to be
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: a big part of this rotation, the fact that we've
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: gotten almost nothing out of them. And I'm code I
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: a little bit more than Manaya, but the fact that
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: right now we're kind of getting nothing out of them
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: is terrifying as a Mets fan, something I do not
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: feel comfortable with at all.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, KP, this is your first arena club experience. We're
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: gonna open a slab pack together. So first off, we're
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: gonna buy one of those twenty five dollars slab packs
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and we get to see what is in the pack.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: There.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: It is the Grail, which is the best card in
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the pack and worth the most. There are some other
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: cards that we're chasing, and you can see the entire
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: lineup so that you know what you're in the running for.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: There's the Yamamoto signed card. Now let's open up our
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: pack and see how we do. We have ourselves a
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: really cool graphic and then a show Heyo Tani fifty
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: to fifty card from last year. What do you want
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: to do? Should we sell it right back to them
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: for sixteen or should.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: We keep it?
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: You should give it to me, I'll.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Keep good answer, fine, I will give it to you.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Since the Blue Jays didn't getto Tani, you can get
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: this fifty to fifty card instead and use the code
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: foul foul to get yourself twenty percent off your first
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: slab pack or card purchase. Yes, you get to keep
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: that card if you want it. They send it to
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: you foul at Arena club dot com.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Slash foul.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Set it out there.
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: You brought up the game game three starter for the
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: playoffs today, nothing changes. Everybody just kind of middles their
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: way through. Soto has one hundred RBIs in the month
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: of September and the Mets make the playoffs. Tell me
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: your game one, two, and three star.
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: I think right now it's got to be Peterson game one.
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: I think game two would be Noel McLain, and then
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: I think you just go all hands on deck, like,
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: can we get one time around the order from Sean Andya?
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: Can we go Jonah Tonk one time around the order?
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: We do have the option because of how the playoff
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: format is, where if we were to get to a
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: game three, everybody has to be available, and the way
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: that managers handle the postseason typically they do go kind
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: of a little bit crazy, and if you start to
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: struggle at all, you come out of the game. The
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: Mets will have a lot of arms. If Peterson McClain
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: continue to do what they can do, obviously you know
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: you're gonna use some bullpen two in those games. Things
• 24:35
  Speaker 8: would change, But game three I would be leaning crazy enough.
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: I think Tong based on what we've seen right now,
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: I feel more confident with him than I do Mania
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: or Sanger right now.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, so essentially you're looking for about eighteen innings in
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: three games from your bullpen, and we haven't even brought
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: up your bullpen.
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: Well we you know's That's another scary thing that's going
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: on here, is that a lot of the guys that
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: we brought in, specifically Ryan Helsley, have been just really
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: struggling to get any sort outs, especially in big moments.
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: Tyler Rodgers been good, but he is still giving up runs,
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: whether it's donky hits or bloops or anything like that,
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: still runs that are scoring. Like there just hasn't been
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: anybody that can get consistent out in this bullpen that's
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: not named Edwin Diazer Brooks Raley.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Right now, all right, let's move to SODO.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Thirty six home runs, had a career high six RBIs
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: in that big win over the Tigers yesterday.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: He's a stolen base machine these days.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: That number is already a career high from him at
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: what is it twenty six, and even for the Homers
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: it's a tougher park day at Homers in and he's
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: at thirty six. His career high was last year at
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: forty one. When you look at his first season as
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: a New York Met How would you sum up his
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: performance and contributions to the team. Should Mets fans be thrilled?
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: Mets fans should be thrilled.
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: I think he's never going to be able to live
• 25:56
  Speaker 8: up to the seven hundred million dollar contract.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: It's impossible as a baseball player show Heo.
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: Tani, who can literally pitch and hit and do things
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: that we've never seen before. But for Soto, offensively, he
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: is basically the same guy that he's always been. He's
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: having one of his best seasons offensively. If you look
• 26:10
  Speaker 8: at all the numbers around baseball, he's top six I
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: think in WRC plus in terms of run production, even
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: if you're looking at war for a guy who's horrible
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: and right field defensively, he's still top fifteen in the league.
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: And what he's been able to do this past month
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: and going into September now really helping carrying this offense
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: is exactly what we paid him for. He's on pace
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: to maybe even have a forty one hundred and thirty
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: sole in base season. Like we don't see that kind
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: of stuff from players very often. I think Bonds and
• 26:38
  Speaker 8: Griffy are the only guys to have those kind of numbers. So, yeah,
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: Wan Soto has been one of the most valuable players
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: I think in baseball this year. If you take him
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: off the Mets, this team doesn't even sniff the playoffs
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: at all.
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: Who's next? Who's the next guy? Who's the next most
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: valuable because I don't think I think it's a distant
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: second place. But who do you feel like is the
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: second most valuable player in this offense? And that's indispensable
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: the stretch run here.
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, offensively, I think it's Peter Alonzo, as much as
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: I think Lindor is probably a more valuable player overall,
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: I think offensively, Pete Alonzo is the next most valuable guy.
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: Just I mean, even the numbers he's putting up this
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: year still really good, A top twenty offensive player in
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: the league. The powers incredible as it always is, one
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: of the best home run hitters in the game. And
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: when he's not chasing, which he goes through spouts where
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: he does chase a lot and he looks to hit
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: the ball the other way a little bit too often.
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: When Pete's on, he's a tough out, a tough at bat,
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: and with Soto in front, of him and Lindor in
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: front of him. There's always guys on base, which is
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: what you love to see.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: If you're Pete Alonzo, Mark good stuff man. Great to
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: have you on.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, we ain't done with him yet.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: We ain't done with him yet.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I said final call, final.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: You didn't say final call.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: You said next And I didn't get the answer because
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: you said, whoa, whoa, Let's let him go. You got
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: a helmet behind you. Okay, we know you love the Cocks.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: Buzz is Lenora's Sellers a real Heisman candidate? Because I
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: watch your game against Virginia Tech. I mean, eh, And
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: are you sold on Shane Beemer?
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: Oh? I love I love Beamer. I love Beamer. Of
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: course I have to love Beemer.
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: You don't understand. I got to South Carolina twenty fourteen.
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: From that moment on, they were horrendous. They never even
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: came close to being good again. So this is the
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: first time in over ten years that they've like sniffed
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: really being a good prominent college football team. Big reason
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: Beemer in a big reason is because Leonora Sellers, who
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: I do think is a legitimate Heisman candidate. I don't
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: think they wanted to show their hand too much against
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: Virginia Tech. They ran that deep ball to Nick Harbor
• 28:37
  Speaker 8: late in the game, easy touchdown.
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: That's all we need to see.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Wow, good.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I can't say anything.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: You really you literally can compete for the SEC this year.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: I mean Alabama look like dog poo.
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: That helps. That helps a lot.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: Do you think Georgia, Tennessee, the rest of them, LSU, Florida,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: do you think they're better and can get to the
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: SEC championship game.
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  Speaker 8: I think we have a chance. I don't think we're
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  Speaker 8: the best team in the SEC. But when you look
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  Speaker 8: at like the most impactful players offensively and defensively, I
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  Speaker 8: think Dylan Stewart is one of the best defensive players
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  Speaker 8: in the country, and I think offensively le Norris is
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  Speaker 8: one of the ten best players in the country. So
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  Speaker 8: college football it's about who's the best, And if we
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  Speaker 8: got two of the better players in the country, I
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  Speaker 8: think we have a shot.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, would you rather have Belichick or Beamer?
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  Speaker 7: Beamer give me Beamer all day.
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  Speaker 3: Oh what a homer.
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  Speaker 2: Carlos Mendoza.
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  Speaker 7: Carlos Mendoz, that's who we want.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know who you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: About we talked about I listened, look at.
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  Speaker 7: Us go exactly. It's a game cock right there.
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  Speaker 2: And the over Belichick for UNC always.
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  Speaker 3: That was a whoopings.
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  Speaker 7: That was bad. That was really good.
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  Speaker 2: Mark, This was awesome, man. Thanks for stopping by.
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  Speaker 1: Of course everyone check out Mark's content draftneck Mark on
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• 29:58
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  Speaker 2: Dialed in on the Mets.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Mark, talk
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  Speaker 7: Soon, man, Thank you guys, appreciate you.