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Seahawks Roster Cuts Behind the Scenes: Hard Knocks Finale · Sea Hawkers Podcast: for Seattle Seahawks fans

• 0:09
  Brandan: Welcome to the Sea Hawkers Podcast.
• 0:12
  I'm your host, Brandan Schulze, and tonight I am joined by my good buddy, Phil
• 0:17
  Lydick, as we are recapping and reacting to episode five, the finale of Hard
• 0:24
  Knocks for our 2026 Seahawks pre-season.
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  Phil?
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  Phil: Yes.
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  I enjoyed it a lot.
• 0:31
  Maybe my favorite.
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  Ooh… I think my, the last one was the least enjoyable for me.
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  I tend to not cry on sadness, just-… I get bummed a little bit.
• 0:41
  Uh-huh.
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  There was some, there was some happiness in this one, got me crying a little bit.
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  You know, there, there, it was a, it was a blessed episode overall.
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  I think we got- Yeah… and we got some insight we'll get to as well.
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  There's some insight and some blessed moments.
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  Brandan: Well, I think the, the big thing that everyone was looking forward to
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  maybe the most intriguing aspect of it, was going to be the, the cut down from
• 1:03
  the 90-man roster to the 53-man roster, or the 70-man, Yeah… roster
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  if you include the ready squad.
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  Yeah.
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  And, a- and so that was, going into it, I- I've seen how, some
• 1:18
  teams handle it based on past seasons, and so h- how our Seahawks would show
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  out in that part of it was probably what I was most interested in in
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  this episode, and I, I walked away a little bit disappointed, Phil- Oh
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  because I- Way disappointed… I was disappointed because there were a couple
• 1:39
  guys who didn't make the team and then didn't end up on the practice squad
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  because they went to other teams- Oh
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  Phil: yeah
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  … Brandan: that I, I, I was hoping to, to just get a little bit
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  more, and we didn't get anything.
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  Phil: You got a little something from Uso, though, toward the end.
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  Like, his happiness to make the ready squad, you could tell.
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  He was pleased that he was climbing his way up.
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  I, I don't think- Yeah… he was sure he was gonna get
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  that offer that they gave him
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  Brandan: Marlin85 in chat saying, "I like the Diggs part.
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  Now I get why he didn't make the 53."
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, we, we got a little bit of insight there.
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  We've got Ryan911, our live executive producer, with a 49.99
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  Super Chat.
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  Hey.
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  That whole series was an awesome appetizer to finish the off-season.
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  Now bring on game one.
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  Phil: Yes.
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  Brandan: Yes.
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  we, we can't wait for game one, and, y- you talked about this being
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  one of your favorite episodes, Phil.
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  Besides maybe the, the musical introduction, and I saw Lisa in the
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  chat talking about how, y- I need that coordinated song, from
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  the first bit to bump in my car.
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  Yeah.
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  That, that part was excellent.
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  Did that play into why this was your favorite episode?
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  Phil: Okay.
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  So I was watching on my iPad, the large one, and I used my spatial audio
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  noise-canceling AirPods, and it was amazing the way they bumped that sound
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  together and some of the coach phrases echoing in there, and then the diff-
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  just the different sounds of camp that they sort of turned into a musical.
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  I know, I know Clinton's away doing music himself right now, but
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  we got to enjoy some good music with that, as well as the pumpkins
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  in and out of a, of the game.
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  we got some Dolly.
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  That made me tear up just a little bit.
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  The Dolly was good.
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  W-
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  Brandan: when you talk about getting teared up, Phil- Yes… I, I
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  think that was the, the emotion, the bit that got me, was the
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  boarding the airplane and the- 9 to
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  Phil: 5
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  Brandan: the Dolly Parton, 9 to 5 song in the background.
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  Phil: And then Soundgarden Dusty.
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  Gotta go back to a Seattle song at the end there.
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  Yeah.
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  Brandan: I, I didn't…
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  I, I liked the, so while we're critiquing the musical portion of
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  this, I, I like the s- Smashing Pumpkins going into the game.
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  I, I didn't like it coming out of the game- Oh
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  'cause it, I, I…
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  It just-
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  Phil: Wasted a chance for another song, didn't it?
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  Brandan: It, well, not so much that.
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  It just- I don't think the, the emotions of that song fit
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  with- Oh… There wasn't a
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  Phil: rat in a cage at that point
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  Brandan: yeah… yeah, right.
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  That's, that's just, it felt off to me.
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  Phil: I was feeling like you on a lot of the other episodes, where I'm
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  like, "They coulda done this better."
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  Like, they end, they, they didn't hit Given to Fly at the peak point
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  of the song by having us do something awesome in the air, like a JSN
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  catch or, you know, there's a few…
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  I've been having production issues, so I feel where you're coming from with this
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  Brandan, where I've been a little bit
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  Brandan: picky on- It's, it's very nitpicky though.
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  Yes.
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  I, I feel it, it was great overall because, it, if we
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  had only had preseason games- to get us through this preseason.
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  Ugh.
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  I, it w- it would've been totally different.
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  So this- Yes… We're blessed… this was a little bit
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  more entertaining, I think, to have this along with the preseason.
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  we got Brian Kennicott in chat when John's reaction to Cody not
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  being aggressive and high pointing the ball, that matched my frustration.
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  You know, Co- Go get it, Cody.
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  Go get it Go get it, Cody.
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  And then he ends up not making the roster, but we don't even really get to see…
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  I mean, that was the, the one bit of Cody, that I, I think that
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  that's all we got through this.
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  Yeah.
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  And I, I thought it was interesting because the, the way that this kicked off
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  Phil, w- we had Uso Seumalo to start and I thought it was similar to the Jake Bobo
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  bit, setting us up to be a little bit more emotional in a, in a sad way, right?
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  But they did.
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  Because him not making the 53.
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  Yeah.
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  And, you know, it, because he was, they were asking him, "What do
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  you need to do to make the team?"
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  Yeah.
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  And, you know, him trying to work through that answer and, Marlon85 saying
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  the, hot, Hard Knocks didn't expect Uso and Foster making the team.
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  I, I think that it maybe changed their approach though of how they
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  they considered making the team based on how John Schneider and, and Mike
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  McDonald consider making the team because at the end, yeah, it started
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  out with Uso, i- i- setting you up maybe for some disappointment- Yeah
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  but at the end it was hyping him up like, "Hey, you, you know, you're part of this."
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  Yeah.
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  "And yeah, you're not on the 53, but you're part of the 70."
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  Phil: And they didn't even, you're not on the 53.
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  It's like he made it.
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  He made it to the next step.
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  The, it was, they did show some guys maybe we'll get you back.
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  They had some of those sad-ish conversations we like- And
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  Brandan: the only one I saw was the one running back, Oh
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  that they had
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  Phil: in the office And he was real positive.
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  Yeah.
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  Brandan: Yeah.
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  Phil: There was some other guys.
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  There's a few other guys.
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  One guy was really bummed.
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  It was, I think it was our rookie receiver maybe.
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  Brandan: Oh yeah, Ricky White.
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  y- He w- wasn't it Ricky White- No, no… that, he, 'cause he was talking
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  about how he wanted to be here in Seattle?
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  Phil: Yeah, no he, and I think he plans to come back.
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  It was
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  ' Brandan: Cause he made the-… maybe someone-… the fif- or he made
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  the- Yeah… the greatest squad
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  … Phil: maybe someone in chat.
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  It's that-
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  Brandan: Okay
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  … Phil: 84, right?
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  No, 8-.
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  Brandan: Hmm.
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  Henderson?
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  Phil: Was it Henderson?
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  I think it was 80- Wasn't Henderson 84?
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  He was sitting there and how you feeling?
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  Oh man, he was, he was pretty down knowing he was bringing the playbook in.
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  Yeah.
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  And I think, and then Uso you're right, when they said the, they either
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  were asking him specifically what do you gotta do to earn a roster spot?
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  And he's going through all that- And then you're thinking they're gonna
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  show just a bummed out moment, 'cause we all know he's missed the 53.
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  But it was like he was so relieved.
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  'Cause I think for him, he knew making the 53 wasn't really where…
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  I think he was self enough, aware enough to know that's not where he was at.
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  Yeah.
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  Him getting on the 70, that was his accomplishment.
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  And, I know that as a coach when we have different teams and who gets varsity
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  and who gets JV and how all that goes, and people are kind of slotting themselves
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  where they're on the border, and just kind of the body language, "I made it to what
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  my goal was, to what I had a chance at."
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  And there was just a feeling of relief, I think, for Moso, Uso, that it's not over.
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  His journey continues.
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  Brandan: Yeah.
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  Yeah, so that was cool.
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  we got to see the, them ha- br- bringing in a TikTok influencer
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  to make some fried chicken.
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  We got to see- Yeah… Dino's pub.
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  How hungry were you after watching the fried chicken bit?
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  Phil: Well, I had dinner right before.
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  Okay.
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  And I didn't know if it was gluten-free, so I didn't know if
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  it was gonna make me sick-… even though it would be very tasty.
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  But I'm guessing it was tasty, but thankfully I'd, I'd just
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  eaten right before I watched it.
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  Brandan: Yeah.
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  If, if Derek Hall, isn't a- any indication that the
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  that was some good chicken.
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  Phil: Okay.
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  Here's something that I had for you, Brandan.
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  Brandan: Yeah.
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  Phil: This is the fifth episode.
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  Did you get the feeling on this one that the players are kind of looking
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  for the camera a little bit more by now?
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  They're kind of comfortable and used to it?
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  I had a little bit of a we're-watching-The-Office
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  moment here and there.
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  Even the setting with the three, with John and his two other- guys
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  from the GM room talking about the players, "These are good guys."
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  And it's almost like- Oh, yeah… it's almost like the c- camera is
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  the fourth person at the table.
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  They're talking to each other, and they're looking over at the camera, and
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  there was some of those FaceTime moments.
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  I, I felt like people were playing to it just a little bit more a-
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  as we, as the season went along.
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  Brandan: Yeah, I could see that a little bit.
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  Yeah, I think that was John Schneider with m- I think it was Mo Kelly-
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  Yeah… and Ivan, oh, I don't have Ivan's last name on the tip of my tongue.
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  But, because that was going to be, I think, the group.
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  'Cause y- you saw a little bit how they did it where Mo Kelly was in a
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  room with a guy, kind of telling him about what the team wanted from him
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  and then they would go in and, you know, talk to the coach, and then maybe
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  they would end up with John Schneider.
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  It didn't take you through all of them, but you, you saw, like
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  different little components of guys meeting with, different portions.
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  And it, and it looked to me like they would cycle through and
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  you know, have, have the meeting of what's happening, and then
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  you go into the meeting to kind of, yeah, close it out.
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  And I'm laughing because the snail in, in Chad saying Ivan Drago.
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  No, I- But, but I don't think, I don't think that's Ivan's last name.
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  Not the, not the Russian from Rocky, from Rocky IV.
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  Phil: And then I saw, and as far as some things about the season, I
• 10:11
  saw Price with the-- They were doing ones versus ones, and then Coach
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  Mike called up, "Now for the twos," and the twos went against the twos.
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  Yeah.
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  I saw Price over and over in there with the ones, so I've got kind of- Ooh
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  good confidence.
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  E- especially Price ended up on my fantasy team, which I'm
• 10:24
  sure everybody cares about.
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  But-… I think a fantasy tip out there is Price is playing with the ones.
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  I think he's gonna be, getting quite a few touches.
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  Brandan: Yeah.
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  Well, and the fact that they ended up protecting him and not putting him out
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  there in any of the preseason games, it, it does feel like an indication.
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  o- the other takeaway that I had in my notes, though, from the bar
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  with Mo Kelly and John Schneider was the, the comment of no jerks this year.
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  Phil: Oh, yeah.
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  Right?
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  This year.
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  I wonder who the last year jerk was.
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  Brandan: Yeah.
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  Phil: I, I, I, I don't know.
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  But I, I- Was Cooper Kupp kind of a subtle co-star to some of this whole season?
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  And then he's even, like, leading a room, and he's even the guy on the sideline
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  during the game who's cracking back at Coach Mike on, like, disagreeing with him
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  and putting him in place a little bit.
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  He, he's kind of, got a lot of confidence in what he's allowed to
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  be a part of and say at this point.
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  Brandan: Yeah.
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  It's, it's been interesting to watch the way that they've
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  they've gotten him involved.
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  It's also…
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  E- every time I see his, his, wardrobe- Sure, yeah… I'm
• 11:35
  always, amazed that a person would, wear a shirt that way.
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  Phil: I think he just wants everybody to know how sleek and fit he is, I guess.
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  I…
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  It, it, it hearkens back to, like, the '80s.
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  Like, when I was a little boy in the '80s, the teenagers, the big
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  guys wore those all the time.
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  Yeah.
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  Like, I'd go try to hang on the basketball court with the older guys.
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  They're all wearing those shirts, and I'm like, "I couldn't
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  possibly wear that thing."
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  I-
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  Brandan: it's not enough to wear, like, one of those, what are they called?
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  A, A-neck, T-shirts.
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  No, it has to be…
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  Like, there, there has to be armpit goes completely down almost to the waist.
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  Phil: It's like white men can't jump, and they're, you know.
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  Brandan: Yes.
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  Very white men can't jump.
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  Yeah.
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  Wow.
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  n- next up, we, we got to hear some of the Nick Emmanwori progress, so.
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  Phil: Yes.
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  That was another reveal, and it wasn't totally positive.
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  Right, Brandan?
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  Brandan: It, it wasn't real… Well, 'cause I don't know.
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  You, you got some positivity.
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  I felt like in the past couple days we've gotten some more positivity- Yeah
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  … just based on the feeling where out where Nick Emmanwori is in his recovery.
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  And I guess you have to remember too that this goes back before
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  maybe some of those parts, so him talking about some of the soreness
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  that he's trying to deal with and-
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  Phil: And Mike's like, "Soreness is good, right?"
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  Right.
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  He's, like, hoping, wish casting.
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  You get the feeling just how important he is to Mike, and
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  they really want him to be ready.
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  But from Nick, it sounds pretty day to day.
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  Like, he's uncertain.
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  He wants to be where everybody wants him to be, but he really is uncertain, right?
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  Brandan: It seems that way.
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  Phil: Yeah.
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  Brandan: And but they also, they, they did the thing of showing where
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  he was at the beginning of- Yeah
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  Hard Knocks.
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  He was in an, in a cast and riding around on a scooter, and here he is at-
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  Phil: Yeah
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  … Brandan: just a few weeks later out there running full speed and
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  talking about how, you know, he's close but, but maybe not quite ready.
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  And-
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  Phil: Mm-hmm… with- I wouldn't disagree.
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  He's come a long way.
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  I'm just-
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  Brandan: Right.
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  And so with 10 days left, I, I mean, I'm not holding out hope, Phil.
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  Phil: You're, you're not holding out hope, or you're not-
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  Brandan: Or I am holding out hope.
• 13:59
  Phil: Yeah.
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  I'm not
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  Brandan: I'm
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  Phil: not-
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  Brandan: You're, you're
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  Phil: not discounting the chance.
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  Yeah.
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  You're saying there's a chance.
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  Brandan: I'm, I'm thinking there's a chance because he
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  the dude has come a long way.
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  And- Right… Mike wants him to be out there.
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  It sounds like he wants to be out there, but also it does show you too that- Mike
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  doesn't seem like a guy who, despite how much he does want him out there, he
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  he's not a coach who's pushing him to be out there unless he truly is ready.
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  Phil: I think that's true.
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  I think Mike might be a little more willing than Pete, but I'm not sure.
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  I, I feel like Mike s- wants him to believe in feeling better and
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  so, Mike doesn't tell us as much, obviously, a- as Pete.
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  We kinda got the sense for Pete, you know, if it was legit or not.
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  But-
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  Brandan: Mm-hmm
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  … Phil: Mike keeps it to himself some.
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  But I do, I got the feeling like he's been different times saying
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  "We really need him to play.
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  We're hoping he can play."
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  And even like I think he wants Emmanwori to believe that he can play.
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  So yeah, I don't think he's gonna endanger him, but maybe his concern is
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  that Nick won't know when he's ready or, Nick will be too careful.
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  So I got that s- I got that side of it a little bit maybe when he's
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  like, "Oh, soreness is a good thing.
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  I've got leg soreness.
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  You got that soreness," right?
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  Brandan: Well, that's, i- that's probably just that athlete mentality, right?
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  Trying to, put him in that space.
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  But, one other question I came away with, Phil, watching this episode, is
• 15:29
  Jake Peetz our offensive coordinator?
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  Phil: okay, so I like Jake Peetz in this one.
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  He's pretty classy.
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  Yeah.
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  Brandan: He was a big part of it.
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  Any time they focused on the offense it was Jake Peetz.
• 15:39
  Phil: Yeah.
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  I'm almost convinced, I'm almost convinced that our offensive coordinator has either
• 15:44
  by himself or the team just been protected 'cause maybe everything that he's doing
• 15:49
  everything Fleury's doing is top secret.
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  Like, you only get to see him sitting there, so he's designing the, the
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  game and maybe his concern is, "I'll slip up and give something away
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  that's a tip-off," and that's like the one thing that they can't allow.
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  Or he's just like, "I wanna get used to the team.
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  I wanna get used to knowing the guys.
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  I don't need that distraction.
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  Can you please keep that away?"
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  And they're like, "Okay, we're putting him off the table."
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  I didn't see Jake Peetz calling plays, but I love the stuff he was- No
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  Brandan: but he was working with Milroe.
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  Phil: Yeah.
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  Brandan: Talking about facing the Chiefs once and- Yeah… working
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  through that part leading into the game.
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  You saw him on the sidelines with Milroe after after Jalen blows up and is-
• 16:30
  Phil: Yeah
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  Brandan: that was good
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  getting frustrated during the game.
• 16:33
  Phil: That was good.
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  I could relate to that a little bit.
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  I got…
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  I'm, that was a little Geno-ish, how he just went off and Peetz had
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  to go over and say, "Yeah, okay.
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  They needed to see you mad.
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  That kind of makes sense, but now…"
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  He's giving him some leader tips.
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  "Now you gotta, you know, bring it down."
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  And he's…
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  I, I like that.
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  I, I liked a lot about Peetz.
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  It wasn't play calling to me, but it was- No… real quarterback coaching.
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  It was real mentality coaching.
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  Kind of reminding the quarterback that you're the leader on the field, so you're
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  gonna set the attitude as to how the team is gonna go into the next play.
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  You can't just lose it when it's time to get back out there.
• 17:09
  Right there, that was okay.
• 17:10
  Everybody take this serious.
• 17:12
  When you're out there, though, you need to have the right
• 17:14
  kind of mentality as a leader.
• 17:15
  I like that.
• 17:16
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 17:16
  My, my main point is when it came to offense- Yeah… the guy who we've seen
• 17:20
  have the most camera time, that looked the most offensive coordinator-ish, has
• 17:25
  been Peetz because, the other guys have been in, within their own rooms.
• 17:29
  Receiver coach.
• 17:30
  You know, the running back room- Yeah… receiver room.
• 17:31
  but, but we actually got sideline time with the offense, and it, it was only
• 17:36
  with Peetz, not with, Brian Fleury, who is our true offensive coordinator.
• 17:41
  Whistle Jacket in chat, Lisa, saying, "If there is one regret for me, I would
• 17:45
  have loved to see more Adin Durty."
• 17:46
  I agree.
• 17:46
  I, I think that would've been good too.
• 17:48
  But I was also worried, Lisa, that when we got to see Adin Durty early
• 17:53
  on in, I, I think it was episode one or two, I was like, "Oh, no, no, no.
• 17:57
  I've seen enough."
• 17:58
  "I don't want other people to see this too, and then poach
• 18:01
  him from us come next season."
• 18:02
  Phil: Yes, 'cause that's kind of where they're gonna get their ideas of
• 18:05
  they're just looking for anything of who to look for when they get sick of
• 18:08
  their coach halfway through the season.
• 18:09
  So his name would come in, especially with his cool accent and- Uh-huh… yes
• 18:14
  you can tell he's worthy of respect.
• 18:15
  One more important thing about, Jalen Milroe.
• 18:18
  Did you notice the table where he was, there was a ceramic item on the table.
• 18:23
  Did you happen to notice that, Brandan, when he was eating?
• 18:26
  Brandan: Ceramic item on the table.
• 18:28
  No.
• 18:28
  Well, last episode I remember Drew Lock had, like, a, a poop emoji coffee cup.
• 18:34
  Yes.
• 18:34
  Phil: It was a poo emoji in the middle of the table.
• 18:36
  What was, what was up with the poo emoji?
• 18:38
  Does anybody know?
• 18:40
  Brandan: I think it was Drew Lock's coffee cup.
• 18:42
  Oh.
• 18:42
  Unless it's Milroe's, because I, I…
• 18:44
  Well, I couldn't tell because last week's show it stood out to me, and, and it
• 18:50
  was kind of in between Lock and Milroe.
• 18:54
  And I don't know, I, maybe I just assumed that because of Lock's personality that it
• 18:58
  was- Yeah… it was probably Drew Lock's.
• 18:59
  Phil: Well, it, nobody was drinking coffee this time.
• 19:01
  It was in the middle.
• 19:02
  I was wondering what it was.
• 19:03
  Oh, okay.
• 19:03
  I thought maybe it had, like, sugar in it or, like-…
• 19:06
  'cause I didn't see a coffee cup.
• 19:08
  it's a very- Interesting… important thing to me.
• 19:10
  Yeah.
• 19:10
  I've never seen a ceramic poo emoji.
• 19:15
  Brandan: Marlon85 in chat, "Did anyone sign Dejon Love?"
• 19:17
  I think he's been assigned to the, California Penal League based on the
• 19:23
  orange jumpsuit that, I saw, Marlon.
• 19:26
  But, yeah, it, one guy that we saw that was with the Seahawks, Trevon Diggs.
• 19:33
  Phil: Yeah.
• 19:33
  Brandan: And he was rocking the short shorts at practice.
• 19:37
  D Hall not happy- Yeah… with Diggs stepping on his turf.
• 19:41
  Phil: D Hall, D Hall seems to play to the cam a little bit
• 19:43
  and I'm not really sure that I…
• 19:45
  I think some of his teammates follow his humor.
• 19:47
  I'm trying to get it a little bit, but at first I'm like, "That's kinda rude
• 19:51
  to do to a p- to, do to a brand new pro bowler that's just joined the team."
• 19:55
  But I think he assumed that, Trey got it, or he's just really very
• 19:59
  territorial about being the guy with the one-and-a-half inch, shorts.
• 20:03
  And they did stand out again.
• 20:04
  Like, from the back I'm like, "That's a little bit much, dude.
• 20:07
  That's a little bit much."
• 20:08
  It, it looks worse on him, I think, than it did on Diggs who's a little more thin.
• 20:14
  Brandan: I, I, I didn't wanna go there as far as critiquing, where
• 20:19
  how the, how the shorts looked.
• 20:20
  It was more so that, D Hall felt like it was his turf- Yeah… as
• 20:25
  as being the short shorts guy.
• 20:26
  Phil: Yeah.
• 20:27
  I, I don't…
• 20:28
  And Diggs didn't care what D Hall said.
• 20:30
  What's the I don't care where you went to school?
• 20:32
  Brandan: Oh, that was, 'cause D Hall was talking with Diggs about
• 20:37
  he was from Auburn- Auburn, yeah
• 20:39
  and, he was Alabama.
• 20:40
  Phil: That's
• 20:41
  Brandan: right.
• 20:41
  And, yeah- They talked about Auburn… they were, so they were going back and
• 20:43
  forth a little about being SEC guys.
• 20:45
  Phil: And then Diggs I think gave us a little bit of
• 20:47
  a tip and hi- in his honesty.
• 20:49
  They were asking him when he'd be ready, and he said it'd be a couple
• 20:52
  weeks, and I think, I think he meant it.
• 20:55
  And- Yeah… it's kinda cool that they let us in to hear that.
• 20:58
  So I imagine we could anticipate him getting out there and, battling
• 21:03
  for some snaps maybe right away.
• 21:05
  Brandan: Yeah, and that's what Marlon said early on in the show too is that
• 21:08
  that it was that moment that made you, at least it helped you understand why
• 21:13
  a guy like Diggs who goes out, gets an interception, and you're thinking
• 21:17
  "Well, this guy should be on the 53.
• 21:19
  He shouldn't be h- having to wait and go to the practice squad."
• 21:22
  But it, it was that moment there that kind of let you in and, and you saw
• 21:28
  yeah, that, that made a lot more sense then that he wasn't quite ready and
• 21:33
  they were gonna use that opportunity.
• 21:35
  Might playbook him.
• 21:35
  Yeah.
• 21:35
  Yeah.
• 21:35
  With, with the playbook.
• 21:37
  yeah.
• 21:38
  And some of the conditioning aspects of it too, getting him ready for
• 21:43
  the start of the season Go Hawks to Sly Maverick in the chat.
• 21:48
  MyCoolVideos8719, D-Hall's shorts kept getting
• 21:53
  shorter as the show progressed.
• 21:54
  Thankfully it's only five weeks.
• 21:57
  Phil: There
• 21:57
  Brandan: was nothing left to- And Daisy Dukes, in a few more weeks
• 22:01
  Phil: I felt like Daisy Dukes may- Daisy Duke maybe showed less and, but
• 22:05
  maybe John Sneid- Schneider was gonna…
• 22:07
  We got our own John Schneider.
• 22:08
  He was gonna come out there and hang out with, Daisy Duke D-Hall, but
• 22:13
  Brandan: it's getting gross.
• 22:13
  Well, speaking of John Schneider, we got to see some of the
• 22:15
  ownership change behind the scenes.
• 22:18
  Yeah.
• 22:18
  Not, not a ton, but we got to see Schneider and Coach Mike
• 22:22
  watching it live on the iPad as, we got shots of the- Yeah
• 22:25
  owners meeting.
• 22:26
  I, I thought maybe, maybe we'd get a little bit more of that.
• 22:30
  Phil: I th- he's like, "We'll keep it simple and, we'll
• 22:32
  just go win another Super Bowl."
• 22:33
  The first time I saw it, I think it was on X earlier today and I thought- Yeah
• 22:36
  … John's like, "Yeah, we like this."
• 22:38
  But I think Jo- this time I watched it and I got it better.
• 22:41
  John's looking at Mike like, "Oh, simple.
• 22:43
  Yeah, we'll just win another Super Bowl."
• 22:45
  Hey, let's just, let's just go win another Super Bowl.
• 22:45
  It only took me, it only took me like 12 years to do this thing again
• 22:52
  Brandan: I thought that was a, a, yeah, a, at least a
• 22:54
  fun moment between those guys.
• 22:56
  TheCharlieTheUnicorn in chat, "Did they show Foster key moments?"
• 23:00
  Yeah, we got to see, got to see him getting hyped up by Coach
• 23:04
  Mike during the, showing some of the film from the Titans game.
• 23:08
  We got to see a few moments of Foster through the Chiefs game and then you
• 23:14
  got the really cool moment of Montorie Foster out on the dock at the- Yeah
• 23:19
  … VMAC hanging out by the water- Yeah
• 23:21
  calling his mom and dad not knowing whether or not they
• 23:24
  would pick up the phone.
• 23:25
  'cause apparently they were waiting until the final ring to answer
• 23:29
  the phone but, then you got that conversation which that conversation
• 23:33
  really was set up by a lot of the social media that they put out ahead
• 23:38
  of the, ahead of the episode even.
• 23:40
  That was, that was the moment that I think they were using to really
• 23:44
  tease this- Mm… season finale.
• 23:47
  Phil: And the other episodes leading in.
• 23:48
  Like, we kinda got to know the parents, we kinda got to know him.
• 23:51
  I was waiting for Sitting on the Dock of the Bay to play in the
• 23:54
  background as, he's there, as you said, talking to his mom and dad.
• 23:59
  He starts talking to his dad.
• 24:00
  I literally, I, I hate to admit this, I was actually tearing up and I didn't
• 24:04
  even know that I was gonna care that much.
• 24:06
  Those positive things that you can share with important people that obviously
• 24:10
  you're not just playing to the camera that have obviously helped you and, and given
• 24:14
  you the strength that you needed through some encouraging words and it happened.
• 24:18
  Like, they already knew it happened 'cause they're like, "Congratulations," when they
• 24:22
  answered so it was just waiting for the call to share in it but him saying that to
• 24:26
  his dad and, and that was, that was heavy.
• 24:29
  Like, that was pulling the juice out of my eyes for sure.
• 24:34
  Brandan: Marlin in chat saying, "Why would he join the
• 24:36
  practice squad when there are teams that would sign him to the 53?"
• 24:39
  And I think Marlin's talking about Trevon Diggs here.
• 24:42
  And I think that really goes to that communication piece between John
• 24:47
  Schneider, the head coach, the player.
• 24:50
  y- there, there may very well be other teams who would sign him to the 53.
• 24:56
  The, the thing is when you're a veteran and, and have so many years in the
• 24:59
  league, you can choose where you wanna go.
• 25:01
  So if- Yeah… if Diggs feels like, "This is the place where I feel that I
• 25:06
  can, have the best opportunity moving forward, being with a Super Bowl team
• 25:10
  being on a, a defense like Coach Mike.
• 25:13
  Yeah, I, I might end up playing for, you know, more of a veteran
• 25:16
  minimum contract this year."
• 25:18
  But if I see this as i- we've seen guys go to, you know, like
• 25:23
  a Baltimore Ravens defense- Yeah
• 25:25
  and, have a great season as a veteran to where then the next year
• 25:30
  they, they get a pretty significant pay bump because they, they showed
• 25:33
  up, they had the performance.
• 25:35
  And for a guy like Diggs, that could be the type of play for him to where
• 25:40
  he sees- Mm-hmm… "Yeah, I, I could be on a 53 on another team."
• 25:43
  Yeah.
• 25:43
  "But to be in this defense, to have those type of opportunities to
• 25:48
  where you see maybe on the depth chart, maybe there's a, a, a way you see a
• 25:54
  significant amount of playing time, like the opportunity is there," and, that
• 26:00
  could be where the, that appeal is, Phil.
• 26:02
  Phil: Those are some good thoughts, and this is a great
• 26:04
  question, and I'm just gonna say the uncomfortable thing right now, Brandan.
• 26:07
  John and Mike have told him there's a potential opening, 'cause
• 26:12
  John's been scrambling, looking everywhere, trying to find a corner.
• 26:16
  Th- that's been quite clear.
• 26:18
  If he gets that third corner spot, that's up to 70%-ish of the snaps.
• 26:23
  It's not a nothing role.
• 26:25
  It's as, it's a bigger role than a D line, than a rotational D
• 26:28
  line as far as number of snaps.
• 26:30
  It's not like he won't get picks if he gets that third cornerback.
• 26:33
  And also, he knows he's not ready to play right now.
• 26:36
  He's looked at this team.
• 26:37
  He can see himself.
• 26:38
  He's, he's a self-aware guy that understands.
• 26:41
  Every conversation I've seen with him about not being ready last
• 26:44
  year, about how ready he is right now, this guy's a very self-aware.
• 26:48
  He knows what he can, what he can't do.
• 26:50
  He sees a role for here, and he thinks he has a legit shot to be
• 26:54
  a true difference maker here, and as all the things you just said.
• 26:57
  If he pulls off what he sees himself being able to pull off, he will get paid
• 27:01
  well, and he'll have a lot of fun here.
• 27:03
  Why would he go elsewhere when he can see himself as a fit?
• 27:09
  Brandan: Another cool moment that I had in my notes, you had, Big Cat Leonard
• 27:14
  Williams getting his, extension.
• 27:17
  Yeah.
• 27:17
  And the, the cool moment with him and Julian Love sitting on the bench
• 27:23
  talking about how much time the, th- these two guys- Yeah… have really
• 27:26
  worked together over the years.
• 27:27
  How, how by the end of it, with Love having two years left on his deal
• 27:32
  with, Leo getting a, a three-year extension, and, and Love saying
• 27:38
  how that they, "Maybe we need to buy a boat together or an ice cream truck."
• 27:42
  Yeah.
• 27:42
  Phil: That was funny.
• 27:43
  I think they were trying to be natural there, Ben.
• 27:45
  And I think they're like, "Okay, we got the, well, we got the
• 27:48
  Hard Knocks camera right here.
• 27:50
  We've been used to it.
• 27:51
  We're trying to talk in a friendly moment.
• 27:53
  What are some things we can say and kind of include them?"
• 27:55
  But it was, it was good.
• 27:57
  They did the best they could, and I enjoyed it.
• 27:59
  But I…
• 28:00
  You couldn't help s- have D Hall has to come run over and go, "Oh
• 28:04
  there's my favorite camera again.
• 28:05
  I'm gonna get involved in this, in this story."
• 28:07
  But you gotta love those guys.
• 28:08
  I mean, even in their awkwardness of trying to not play to the camera but
• 28:14
  be who they were, these are good dudes.
• 28:17
  I, I, I…
• 28:18
  Julian Love, Ernest, Julian Love, Ernest Jones, but especially Leo
• 28:23
  Williams and, and Love, these leaders in just the way they handle themselves
• 28:28
  they really care about each other.
• 28:30
  They're not self-important.
• 28:31
  They're really not.
• 28:32
  They're having a great time, and they're inviting us in to enjoy their fun life.
• 28:37
  how can you not cheer for that and be happy for them?
• 28:40
  Brandan: And how can you not be amazed by Love's ability to dribble
• 28:44
  a football like a basketball- That's also true… behind his legs?
• 28:47
  Phil: Yeah, I'm just talking…
• 28:49
  I was, I was fascinated by that as well.
• 28:51
  I'm like, "Can that be done on turf, dribbling back and forth the football?"
• 28:59
  Brandan: Marlin85 in chat, "Feels like we missed out on the coaches
• 29:02
  going over the roster, but I like Mike showing great leadership."
• 29:06
  Yeah, I, I would've liked to see a little bit-
• 29:09
  Phil: That
• 29:10
  Brandan: wasn't gonna happen… they coulda made an entire episode just
• 29:13
  out of going over the roster and having those conversations and, yeah
• 29:18
  the, a big part of that, 'cause-
• 29:21
  Phil: Some of that honesty just can't hap- if you're talking about the coaches
• 29:24
  discussing who's gonna make it or not, I don't know that they could have that
• 29:28
  much honesty in front of everyone, right?
• 29:30
  Brandan: No, but I, I can understand wanting to hear a little bit more
• 29:35
  of if you can sanitize it in some way- Mm-hmm… and talk, really
• 29:40
  break down, you know, where those…
• 29:43
  Kinda like how we do on the show, right?
• 29:44
  That, that, you know that those conversations must happen about how guys
• 29:48
  are right on the bubble of the- Yeah
• 29:50
  53 and the practice squad or, you know, even, like I said, I go back to the
• 29:56
  Cody White thing, how a guy like Cody White that had spent so many years
• 30:01
  with the franchise and here was this opportunity with Jake Bobo going down
• 30:06
  to probably be, you know, possibly be that- Yeah… wide receiver five.
• 30:09
  And then Montorie Foster comes along, takes that, that number five spot.
• 30:15
  And sure, I, I suppose they were thinking, "Well, Cody White's been around.
• 30:18
  It, it…
• 30:19
  we'll, we'll have this spot open for him on the practice squad," and then…
• 30:23
  or ready squad.
• 30:24
  A- and then-
• 30:25
  Phil: Kubiak says no
• 30:25
  … Brandan: and then Kubiak says, "Hey, we want you to come down here," and
• 30:28
  it, and it wasn't even come down here and be on the 53 on- Yeah, that's-
• 30:32
  on a Raiders roster which you look at the six wide receivers
• 30:36
  that they kept and you go, "What?
• 30:37
  You couldn't have had Cody White th- as one of those six?"
• 30:41
  Yeah, I don't understand that.
• 30:41
  I don't understand that.
• 30:42
  But I'm sure Cody looked at that and said, "I, I can- I'll be there… I- I'll
• 30:45
  start on the practice squad, but I won't be on the practice squad in Las Veg."
• 30:51
  Phil: Yeah.
• 30:51
  And unfortunately they kept the…
• 30:55
  Am I still on?
• 30:55
  Can you hear me?
• 30:56
  Brandan: Oh, yeah.
• 30:56
  I got you.
• 30:57
  Phil: Yeah, it froze out for a second.
• 30:58
  I wasn't sure.
• 30:59
  And fortunately they kept all the Horton stuff out, but I get the
• 31:03
  feeling just by how they handled some of the rostering that we're
• 31:06
  expecting to see Horton really soon.
• 31:09
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 31:10
  It's…
• 31:12
  I, I h- hopefully game one.
• 31:14
  But, we didn't get much from Coach Mike when he said
• 31:17
  out for a time either, so
• 31:19
  Phil: If not, I mean, Foster gets open.
• 31:21
  I, I think he can legit…
• 31:22
  Foster can go out there and play in NF- Yeah… get some NFL snaps as a receiver.
• 31:26
  He gets open like Baldwin got open.
• 31:28
  Like, if you get open you can make a difference in the NFL
• 31:32
  Brandan: The Charlie the Unicorn asks, "Which coach during Hard
• 31:35
  Knocks made the biggest impression?"
• 31:37
  Running back coach?
• 31:38
  Cooper Cupp.
• 31:41
  I, I, Thomas Hammock is the running back coach, and, or F-bomb
• 31:46
  Hammock as, as you may know him.
• 31:48
  yeah, th- there was… I really like the wide receivers coach.
• 31:52
  But yeah, Coach Cupp.
• 31:54
  That's probably the right answer.
• 31:56
  Phil: Pete's, Pete's was pretty good on th- this episode, I give it to Pete.
• 32:00
  Overall, yeah, it's the wide receiver coach has been good throughout.
• 32:03
  What did they say?
• 32:04
  Oh.
• 32:05
  Brandan: Oh, Montez gets open.
• 32:07
  Phil: Yeah.
• 32:08
  Brandan: And I think that that was one of the things, even highlighting
• 32:12
  it through some of the shots, his route running ability- Yes… I
• 32:15
  I think is really what made his, earned him a spot on this roster.
• 32:19
  Phil: I mean, Baldwin was undrafted, and you just always got open.
• 32:22
  Well, that guy's gotta make the team, you know?
• 32:24
  If he… And, and Sherman would say he's just the hardest guy to, to keep a handle
• 32:29
  on 'cause he's shifty off the line, and we watched him do it over and over.
• 32:33
  And when a guy gets open, that's such a powerful skill, and Foster
• 32:38
  is a unique guy in that way.
• 32:40
  So I, I think he might make a difference sooner than later if he gets an opening.
• 32:45
  Brandan: Marlin85 in chat saying, "Why go, pick Busso over
• 32:49
  Eastern, a late draft pick?"
• 32:51
  well, both guys ended up making- Yeah… the 70-man roster.
• 32:55
  They both did.
• 32:55
  Yep.
• 32:55
  So I don't know.
• 32:56
  I, and I think whether or not, Marlin's talking about, you know, why
• 33:02
  show, highlight and feature one- Oh
• 33:04
  over the other, then it would be, personality-
• 33:08
  Phil: Yeah
• 33:09
  … Brandan: related
• 33:10
  Phil: I think.
• 33:10
  The show just found him endearing.
• 33:11
  They just, they felt like he was a fun guy to interview throughout.
• 33:14
  Yeah.
• 33:14
  And he's a gentle soul that was easy to cheer for.
• 33:18
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 33:19
  And, yeah, so I, I was…
• 33:21
  And it really worked out to him winning the talent show, then him making it at
• 33:26
  the end, and him getting coached up by the D-line coach in the, he kind of
• 33:31
  had that one-on-one moment at the end, where they're talking about what he can be
• 33:35
  as a, a lineman and, and so yeah, getting to see his journey through all of that.
• 33:41
  and, and I think that's just kind of what they tend to do with
• 33:44
  Hard Knocks is feature some of those- Yeah… down the roster type guys
• 33:48
  who have the types of personalities that you really can root for.
• 33:52
  Phil: Oh, and the, you didn't mention, Brad, but early on in the
• 33:54
  show, Mike was talking about how this was like the roughest week of
• 33:57
  the off-season or of camp of summer, and he was hoping to see- Yeah, last
• 34:01
  Brandan: week was the first week things didn't go our way.
• 34:04
  Phil: Yeah.
• 34:05
  So everything was just coming up roses, and then all that happened.
• 34:09
  Then Aaron Donald gets signed.
• 34:10
  No, I was kidding.
• 34:11
  But, there, there was a few things that took place, and with losing Bobo
• 34:16
  obviously was crushing, and, all the things that he does and how much he means
• 34:20
  to everybody, obviously that was painful.
• 34:23
  The game, yeah, was kind of painful.
• 34:25
  And then you're going into this game, and they're setting it up.
• 34:28
  They did show probably the most footage of any game this time
• 34:31
  but Mike was still hating it.
• 34:32
  He's like, "This is the worst game I've ever seen, like, ever."
• 34:36
  At any level.
• 34:37
  At
• 34:38
  Phil: any level.
• 34:39
  Yeah.
• 34:40
  I didn't think- See, that was
• 34:41
  Brandan: where Cup pushed back.
• 34:42
  He's like, "Well, at any level?"
• 34:45
  Phil: I didn't think that when I watched it, but it, I mean
• 34:48
  the second half maybe he was right and, and then they kicked it.
• 34:51
  Well
• 34:51
  Brandan: the first half.
• 34:51
  I, it, that was a commentary-
• 34:53
  Phil: Yeah
• 34:54
  … Brandan: through the montage of the first half, and then you saw them
• 34:57
  come out in the second half, and then that was the, the touchdown drive
• 35:01
  that you got to see from Milroe.
• 35:03
  Phil: Yeah.
• 35:03
  Brandan: I, it was- And the
• 35:04
  Phil: guy that is gonna, the guy that
• 35:05
  Brandan: is gonna get a- It was interesting they didn't
• 35:06
  feature the missed kicks film.
• 35:08
  Yes.
• 35:08
  I thought about that for you.
• 35:10
  Phil: That's what I'm saying.
• 35:10
  And the guy that is getting paid a lot and actually is going to matter, unfortunately
• 35:15
  he's gonna matter a ton during the season, they showed nothing of that.
• 35:19
  They're complaining about the game, but the worst thing, like a, the most
• 35:22
  ominous thing about the game is that we have to count on this guy who's
• 35:26
  struggling right now, who better get it fixed or we're actually in trouble.
• 35:31
  Nothing else that happened in that game really matters except for that
• 35:36
  Brandan: Do you think though that there wasn't any footage there to show?
• 35:40
  Because that's how- Oh, there was
• 35:42
  Phil: footage
• 35:43
  … Brandan: how, but I mean in terms of reacting to the missed kicks.
• 35:46
  Phil: Yes.
• 35:47
  Milroe went down and the guy messed up the catch, and he's upset with him
• 35:52
  like dropping F-bombs and going off.
• 35:54
  Sure.
• 35:55
  They show that.
• 35:56
  Well
• 35:56
  Phil: but- But then Milroe leads the team down to win the
• 35:58
  game and the kicker misses it.
• 36:00
  You get no body language on the sideline.
• 36:02
  You get no Milroe.
• 36:03
  You get no nothing.
• 36:04
  You, you don't even see whether the kick happened.
• 36:07
  Somebody, like John Schneider, said, "We're not showing that."
• 36:11
  Right?
• 36:11
  I think it- It had to be
• 36:12
  … Brandan: yeah.
• 36:12
  there, there had to be something, right?
• 36:15
  Yeah.
• 36:15
  Mychal video saying, "Don't want the kicker distracted."
• 36:18
  Phil: Yeah.
• 36:18
  Brandan: Charlie the Unicorn, "Don't tell me you want Moody to kick."
• 36:21
  Phil: Yeah, I, I'm not saying what the solution is.
• 36:24
  I'm saying that needs to get fixed, and I'm hoping it's Myers figures it out.
• 36:28
  This is supposed to be even-year Myers, right?
• 36:30
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 36:31
  Well, it's even-year regular season Myers, and-
• 36:34
  Phil: Okay
• 36:34
  … Brandan: you know.
• 36:35
  We're not there yet.
• 36:36
  That's
• 36:37
  Phil: that's all we need.
• 36:37
  That's all.
• 36:38
  Brandan: the Snail saying, "I can't wait for the season to start and the
• 36:41
  Rams to fall flat on their stupid faces."
• 36:44
  The Snail, "I can't wait for the season to start and for us to kick the
• 36:47
  Patriots' butt in back to back games."
• 36:50
  Phil: Yes.
• 36:50
  Yeah.
• 36:50
  Let's keep the winning streak going, and part of it will be
• 36:53
  back to back against the Pats.
• 36:55
  And, and just could keep it going all the way, just, just
• 37:00
  keep the winning streak going.
• 37:01
  But it starts one game at a time, right?
• 37:03
  And, and I definitely heard a lot of, best foot forward stuff this
• 37:07
  week, so maybe- Yeah… maybe we'll put our best foot forward by winning
• 37:10
  week one if we have to use something that people say over and over.
• 37:14
  Brandan: Then, I suppose we should probably give our critiques
• 37:19
  of the final bits of this episode.
• 37:23
  And
• 37:24
  Phil: Okay
• 37:24
  … Brandan: what did you like, what didn't you like when it came to them focusing
• 37:28
  on Coach Mike at the end of, of the episode, and a little bit of focus on
• 37:33
  Sam Darnold at the end of the episode?
• 37:37
  Phil: Well, they kind of finished up hyping up Coach Mike in a way
• 37:40
  that I thought was reasonable, and most every time- What kind of head
• 37:44
  Brandan: coach is this?
• 37:45
  Phil: Yes.
• 37:45
  Brandan: He's the winning kind.
• 37:47
  Phil: Yeah.
• 37:48
  Maybe that was corny.
• 37:49
  But every time they put Mike on there he couldn't help but just look good.
• 37:54
  But thankfully nobody can have him.
• 37:56
  We have him signed, so I'm not worried about that.
• 37:58
  So I guess I'm glad that Coach Mike gets just a constant…
• 38:02
  He's like the star and hero of Hard Knocks because he's not going
• 38:06
  anywhere, and so that's awesome.
• 38:08
  what were you talking about with, Sam at the
• 38:12
  Brandan: end?
• 38:12
  Closing with Sam Darnold running, like, to the end of the practice
• 38:15
  field and then running back.
• 38:16
  That just, that seemed like a weird- It was
• 38:19
  Phil: unremarkable.
• 38:20
  Yeah
• 38:20
  Brandan: It seemed like a weird way to go and to close out.
• 38:22
  I thought it was weird, too.
• 38:22
  Like, with all the, with all the cool footage that they had- I know
• 38:25
  at the start, it's like, "Oh, well, here's, here's Sam running a lap.
• 38:29
  The end."
• 38:30
  Phil: Yeah.
• 38:31
  I thought that wasn't very remarkable and it was not a
• 38:35
  great ending to a cool season.
• 38:37
  I have to agree with you there.
• 38:38
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 38:39
  Phil: And I thought when it came to humor, this one probably had the least.
• 38:42
  Like, D.
• 38:42
  Hall tried.
• 38:43
  Why are we not getting more Spoon?
• 38:45
  he should have been the star of this season.
• 38:48
  Yeah.
• 38:48
  Every time they show him I enjoy myself, and they just…
• 38:51
  Again, I was, I was a little bit bummed when they showed him for a second.
• 38:55
  I'm like, man, he should be on here so much more.
• 38:58
  Just he's fun.
• 38:59
  Everything he does is fun.
• 39:01
  Brandan: Right?
• 39:02
  Ryan in chat, "Heard Sam looks faster this year."
• 39:05
  Phil: Oh.
• 39:05
  Brandan: Yeah, that…
• 39:06
  It was just him jogging.
• 39:08
  Sam.
• 39:08
  And Clinton saying Sam was running it forward.
• 39:10
  Maybe a stretch
• 39:12
  Phil: I, I don't…
• 39:13
  You're right.
• 39:13
  I, I forgot about that.
• 39:14
  Maybe this wasn't the best episode.
• 39:16
  I thought it was the best episode until you just talked about
• 39:17
  Brandan: it.
• 39:18
  It was a good episode.
• 39:18
  I, I f- I feel like I'm closing on a downer by, by focusing on one of the
• 39:23
  bad parts because they're- What was your
• 39:24
  Phil: favorite, your favorite thing this episode, and then for the
• 39:27
  whole season, your two favorites?
• 39:29
  Brandan: From this episode, I, I love behind-the-scenes stuff.
• 39:33
  Okay.
• 39:33
  And so getting the behind-the-scenes view of their, of how they travel
• 39:40
  the, the airplane that they travel in.
• 39:43
  Okay.
• 39:43
  Somebody asked in chat, "Is that a new airplane?"
• 39:45
  I, I think it is new based on, how they used to travel three, four years
• 39:53
  ago because they ended up, I think they got marked down in terms of player report
• 39:58
  card of, of how they travel and, and there not being enough space for the players.
• 40:03
  And you could definitely see on that jet that there was plenty of space
• 40:07
  for guys to lay out and stretch.
• 40:09
  So y- you could tell where, the big guys and, and maybe the guys with the
• 40:13
  bigger contracts got to hang out, versus the guys who are more the rookies.
• 40:18
  But there's still, there, there was plenty of space back there.
• 40:21
  And like I said, with the Dolly Parton Nine to Five- Yeah… tribute
• 40:24
  in the background, that, that part of the episode- That was
• 40:26
  great… th- that did it for me.
• 40:28
  Phil: Okay.
• 40:29
  Our, my favorite we already covered was Foster with his parents.
• 40:32
  Sure.
• 40:32
  That was awesome 'cause it moved me.
• 40:34
  My favorite that we did not cover, my, my…
• 40:38
  Just escaped my mind.
• 40:39
  No, my, my favorite that, that we did not cover was when Mike was starting
• 40:44
  in and I'm like, "Boa constrictor?"
• 40:48
  How are we like a boa constrictor?
• 40:50
  Because I like to teach my players on defense in soccer
• 40:53
  to be like a rattlesnake.
• 40:54
  We're-
• 40:55
  Brandan: Hmm
• 40:55
  … Phil: we're ready, but we're not gonna strike until they get too close.
• 40:59
  A rattlesnake doesn't go until you're too close.
• 41:01
  'Cause if you go early, then you're, you're nothing.
• 41:04
  You're toast.
• 41:05
  A boa constrictor is kinda slow, but then I loved how he
• 41:09
  began unlayering what he meant.
• 41:11
  We just keep tightening the pressure.
• 41:14
  We apply- Yeah… pressure, more and more pressure, and then they're
• 41:16
  squeezed to death basically.
• 41:18
  Yeah.
• 41:18
  And so- Until the scales-
• 41:20
  Brandan: That was a-… tip in our favor.
• 41:21
  Phil: Yes.
• 41:22
  So I like that.
• 41:23
  A- and I, I'm gonna be watching for that this season, the boa constrictor.
• 41:26
  How about for the whole season, Brandan, your favorite moment, five episodes?
• 41:31
  Brandan: Oh.
• 41:32
  Oh, favorite moment in five episodes.
• 41:34
  I, I think, it, it's more of a theme overall.
• 41:38
  The, the, the…
• 41:41
  I like soundtracks.
• 41:42
  Yeah.
• 41:42
  And so the fact that they worked in a lot of those Seattle soundtracks-
• 41:47
  Mm-hmm… whether it was Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Jimi Hendrix, all, having
• 41:52
  all of those, you know, Seattle area soundtracks that, that were
• 41:57
  recognizable as part of the, part of the city, part of the culture.
• 42:02
  Oh, yeah.
• 42:03
  And, and the shots of the VMAC.
• 42:05
  Like, you- Yeah… wondered who the star of this was gonna be.
• 42:08
  I think overall the star was just how picturesque the- VMAC… VMAC area is.
• 42:13
  Phil: You might be right.
• 42:14
  Yeah, the overarching theme of the VMAC being beautiful, the camera
• 42:17
  work with the sprinklers, you know?
• 42:20
  a lot of that was pretty good.
• 42:22
  Yep.
• 42:22
  Brandan: th- before we get to yours, WD Ford in chat asks how many
• 42:26
  doors does Brandan have in his house?
• 42:28
  'cause it's kind of funny 'cause I have, I have two doors behind me.
• 42:32
  So behind the scenes, this is, this is actually a mudroom, and so the one of
• 42:38
  the doors is to the garage- Oh… and one of the doors is to the house.
• 42:41
  And so, when- That makes sense… I used to have an office, in my house
• 42:47
  because I do a lot of work from home.
• 42:49
  Yeah.
• 42:50
  And, and then the, all my girls grew up, and they wanted their own separate
• 42:54
  rooms, and so I made a little, office nook for myself in the mudroom.
• 42:59
  Phil: That's fantastic.
• 43:00
  Hey, WD Ford, guess what?
• 43:03
  Brandan has as many doors in this room as he has A's in his name.
• 43:06
  There's two A's in Brandan.
• 43:08
  You gotta know that, if you're watching the Seahawks Podcast
• 43:10
  by now- Oh, there you go… or if this is your first time
• 43:12
  Brandan: dialing- That's name critique.
• 43:13
  Phil: Yes.
• 43:15
  Brandan: Okay, so, your favorite, from all the episodes, Phil.
• 43:18
  Phil: Oh, that's tough.
• 43:19
  That's pretty tough.
• 43:21
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 43:21
  You had time to think about it while I was giving my answer though, so I- You bought
• 43:23
  Phil: me all this time.
• 43:24
  I should've known you
• 43:25
  Brandan: were- I bought you all this time to answer
• 43:27
  … Phil: I should've known you were coming back to it.
• 43:30
  Yeah, I mean, far as overarching theme, the star you said was the VMac.
• 43:35
  I still think the star is Mike.
• 43:37
  I already liked him.
• 43:38
  He's the guy I wanted us to hire, and we hired him, and he was far beyond
• 43:42
  what I ever might have hoped for.
• 43:44
  We did better than I might have hoped for last season, and I knew
• 43:47
  Mike was a lot to do with it.
• 43:48
  I am more confident than ever after watching him, how he
• 43:51
  handles all these things.
• 43:53
  His humility, Mike's incredible brilliance, and yet it's all filtered
• 43:59
  through just actual, real, natural humility- It just goes through everywhere.
• 44:06
  All the leaders are the same.
• 44:07
  Cup's that way.
• 44:08
  Leo's that way.
• 44:09
  I mean, it just, it- Sam is that way.
• 44:12
  The, the way in which they all s- are trying to get sharper and do their
• 44:17
  best, and they're not self-impressed but they're self-aware, and they're, they
• 44:22
  know who each other are because they're willing to know who they are and their
• 44:26
  place in it, and they can challenge each other honestly because they're not
• 44:30
  putting on airs, that stands out, and that's a takeaway that I'll never lose.
• 44:35
  Just watching the man Mike and how he goes about his business has affected
• 44:39
  us, I think, and for that, the, the time spent watching it is valuable.
• 44:45
  Brandan: Absolutely.
• 44:46
  And, Whistle Jacket in chat saying, "Favorite moment, definitely
• 44:49
  D Law making fun of the hot pants."
• 44:51
  What are we doing?
• 44:52
  Phil: Yeah.
• 44:53
  That was the funniest part.
• 44:54
  Yeah.
• 44:55
  Yeah.
• 44:56
  Brandan: Charlie the unicorn, JS walking on the treadmill all the time
• 44:59
  talking to employees, phone calls, nuts.
• 45:01
  yeah, it's all of the behind-the-scenes stuff that you get
• 45:05
  to see, but really I, I think you pointed it out, Phil, the, the pi-
• 45:09
  the behind-the-scenes stuff of Coach Mike and seeing a- and really getting
• 45:14
  a sense of what he's all about is something that, for one, we're on board.
• 45:22
  You just won us a Super Bowl anyway.
• 45:23
  Yeah.
• 45:24
  Phil: Sure.
• 45:24
  Brandan: But to then see a, a lot of the reasoning of, oh
• 45:30
  this is, this is the reason why.
• 45:31
  Yeah.
• 45:32
  It's because our coach is like this.
• 45:35
  Yeah.
• 45:35
  And he, the way that he interacts with all of the…
• 45:39
  It, it, this is what culture is all about and how a coaching staff and
• 45:45
  a general manager, how you can build culture through, you know, key people.
• 45:50
  You get, you get to see the sense of that.
• 45:53
  Phil: I think it goes with Dolly, like Dolly just passed.
• 45:55
  Everybody who ever met her, they felt like healing and kindness.
• 45:58
  I, I've been around her a little bit when, I was a bellman a long time
• 46:02
  ago, and there's all these diva stars, and so many of them are total jerks.
• 46:06
  She literally, if she knew you were around her, she made you feel better
• 46:10
  just by how she handled herself and treated you with so much value.
• 46:14
  Like, if you just knew you were valued.
• 46:17
  Mike in a manly way, in a, in, rather than the lovely feminine way, in a
• 46:23
  manly, still tough-guy way shows that.
• 46:27
  Like, everybody has value, and he's trying to help you become all that
• 46:31
  you can be, and that's just how he is.
• 46:33
  That's how he breathes.
• 46:34
  That's how he exists.
• 46:36
  Brandan: Yeah.
• 46:37
  So, really cool to finish off that series, Phil.
• 46:41
  And now we are just days away from taking on the New England Patriots.
• 46:47
  We got shows coming up.
• 46:48
  we're gonna be talking to Mookie Alexander later this week.
• 46:51
  Cool.
• 46:51
  I know they have some, some cool stuff going on over at SB Nation that
• 46:55
  we're gonna talk to Mookie about.
• 46:57
  I'm gonna have, planning to have Michael-Shawn Dugar on the
• 47:01
  show, who was a reporter for The Athletic, reported on the Seahawks.
• 47:04
  He's no longer reporting with the Seahawks, but he just
• 47:07
  came out with a, a new book.
• 47:08
  Mm.
• 47:09
  12 is 1, and so I'm gonna talk to, to Mike about his new book.
• 47:13
  We have a, our season expectations show coming up, me
• 47:17
  Adam Emmett, episode 505.
• 47:19
  Phil: Nice.
• 47:20
  Brandan: we're gonna be doing that, and then, Phil, we'll have a What If
• 47:23
  preview maybe coming up Monday next week.
• 47:27
  Is that the plan?
• 47:28
  Phil: That's the plan.
• 47:29
  Try to guess the, theme here, and it's a new guy.
• 47:32
  Brandan: Try and guess the theme, which is Phil looking for ideas for a theme.
• 47:36
  Phil: I have an idea for a theme.
• 47:37
  It has to do with a new, very important person that is on the Seahawks.
• 47:42
  Brandan: Ooh, a very important person.
• 47:45
  All right, Blue Bets.
• 47:46
  let's see.
• 47:47
  W- if we have a…
• 47:50
  If we do that Monday, we have a very full week, Marlon.
• 47:53
  I, i- if, if we
• 47:56
  Brandan: can- 'Cause- As a g- and our season starts early, like, several-
• 47:59
  Brandan: Our season starts early.
• 48:00
  We, we may not have, And you're
• 48:02
  Phil: traveling.
• 48:03
  Brandan: Yeah, we're traveling, and we're gonna be meeting up with the flock at
• 48:07
  13 Coins on Tuesday ahead of the game.
• 48:11
  So while we would normally record that show on, the day before the game, that
• 48:17
  day's gonna be awfully full for us, so we, we may have to- Just go to a card shop in
• 48:20
  Phil: Seattle and- Yeah… put together your
• 48:22
  blue show, whatever that is.
• 48:24
  Brandan: We'll, we'll have to see.
• 48:25
  Yeah.
• 48:25
  Collectible.
• 48:25
  If, if we can, if we can fit that in Tuesday night, so that way you could
• 48:30
  have it in your podcast feed Wednesday morning before the, before the actual
• 48:34
  game, maybe that's- Do a Wednesday morning
• 48:36
  maybe that's how we get it done.
• 48:38
  Clinton's saying, "We can do Blue Bets live- Wednesday
• 48:40
  morning… Wednesday morning.
• 48:41
  Let's go."
• 48:42
  Phil: Go find yourself a collectible shop, which I know
• 48:44
  Brandan and Clinton would love to enjoy-… and just sit down and, and
• 48:47
  carry out your, your Blue Bets show.
• 48:49
  Brandan: Oh, we got an Airbnb.
• 48:51
  We'll, we'll be doing great, so yeah.
• 48:52
  We'll, we'll, we'll find a way.
• 48:54
  We'll, we'll record some content while we're out there.
• 48:56
  It…
• 48:57
  Really appreciate everybody tuning in, but yeah, we got, we got a lot going on.
• 49:01
  Really wanna thank Ryan911 who came in with the 49.99.
• 49:06
  Awesome, man.
• 49:07
  And, continuing to be our Live Executive Producer, and thanks
• 49:11
  to everybody who joined us live for the finale of Hard Knocks.
• 49:17
  And I think with that, Phil- And with
• 49:18
  Phil: that, with that, Brandan-
• 49:20
  Brandan: There's only one thing left to say
• 49:22
  … Phil: go Hawks.
• 49:23
  Brandan: Go Hawks.