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IFH 803: From Wrestling Rings to Public Access Mayhem: The Wild Ride of Mad Man Pondo · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 3: Bullis without further ado this week's episode as a guest
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  Speaker 3: who is a pro wrestler TV person, author of the
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  Speaker 3: new book Memoirs of a Madman, which covers his entire
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  Speaker 3: thirty year career. Just you know, it's not just a
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  Speaker 3: wrestling book, and he'll he's gonna touch on that as well.
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  Speaker 3: Uh in this episode, you know we're gonna chat all
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  Speaker 3: about becoming an agent for the Jerry Spears Show. Creating
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  Speaker 3: his own public access TV show, participating in a demolition derby,
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  Speaker 3: and just you know, generally fun crazy stories. And I honestly,
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  Speaker 3: this is a guy I've been trying to get on
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  Speaker 3: for a while and then when I saw he came
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  Speaker 3: out with this book, I I just finally I was
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  Speaker 3: able to get him to come on, and finally he
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  Speaker 3: agreed to and said yes to come on with guests.
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  Speaker 4: Mad Man Pondo. I thank you, man, give for giving
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  Speaker 4: me time to talk about the book and whatever else
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  Speaker 4: you want to talk about. And I'm ready to around
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  Speaker 4: what you are.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, Pondo, it's it's funny because you and
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  Speaker 3: I have actually met way way back in the CCW days.
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  Speaker 3: I was actually I was a you know, I used
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  Speaker 3: to go to all those shows back then. And I
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  Speaker 3: have a picture somewhere in my room. I have a
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  Speaker 3: picture of us and it's you, myself and Bridget the midget.
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  Speaker 3: It was and it was just it was hilarious because uh,
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  Speaker 3: I always use that photo and I showed it. I
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  Speaker 3: used to show it to people and people were like,
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  Speaker 3: it just looks like a story that just an interesting
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  Speaker 3: story behind because Bridget has a bottle of wine with
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  Speaker 3: her and it's just it's just it's just funny because
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  Speaker 3: you know, it looks like there's such an interesting story
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  Speaker 3: behind it. And I was like, well, let me tell
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  Speaker 3: you about Pondo and then I'll tell you about Bridget
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  Speaker 3: and then, uh, you know, I'm not that interesting, but
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  Speaker 3: you know, at least at least you guys are interesting.
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  Speaker 4: There's a bunch of stories behind that. There's actually a
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  Speaker 4: few of them in the book. But uh, yeah, Bridget's
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  Speaker 4: real cool. Uh we still talk today, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'll get hitting the head a lot. I can't even
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  Speaker 4: remember her having a wine bottle or taking a picture,
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  Speaker 4: but yeah, uh maybe put that on my Facebook sometimes,
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  Speaker 4: that picture.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I will do, Bondo. I'll off to find it.
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  Speaker 3: I've been I got kind of lost in the shuffled
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  Speaker 3: all my other stuff as I've moved, but I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to find that again and I'll post that. But you're
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  Speaker 3: just to just to get started, Pondo. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to ask you how you actually got started, you know,
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  Speaker 3: doing all this, all of the wrestling and in the movies,
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  Speaker 3: so you know, just to get started. You know, how
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  Speaker 3: did you get involved with wrestling? Did you watch a
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  Speaker 3: lot of wrestling growing up?
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  Speaker 4: Man did I this was all in the book, but
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  Speaker 4: I'll go ahead and tell you. But uh So, at
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  Speaker 4: a very young age, I always realized my family is
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  Speaker 4: very reserved and you know, not like super religious, but
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  Speaker 4: just never wanted to be the center of attention. And uh,
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  Speaker 4: me and my brother would always go to family dinners
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  Speaker 4: on Sunday at my great grandma grandpa's house and everything,
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  Speaker 4: you know, was pretty calm and and uh but the
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  Speaker 4: cool thing was and Evans Hille Wrestler Channel seven would
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  Speaker 4: come on out of Memphis, Tennessee. Jered Kingwaller and Bill Dundin,
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  Speaker 4: all them guys, my great grandma and grandpa would lose
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  Speaker 4: their nuts, like, you know, talking about dirty motherfuckers, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, and me and my brother, we were just
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  Speaker 4: blown back that my great grandma and grandpa was talking
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  Speaker 4: like this. But it made me an instant fan of
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  Speaker 4: professional wrestling. Just a good time that I would have
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  Speaker 4: listened to them. So at an early age, I told
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  Speaker 4: my mom and my dad that that's what I was
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  Speaker 4: going to do. I was going to be a professional wrestler.
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  Speaker 4: And my mom to this day still has a paper
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  Speaker 4: from my school grade school said draw a picture of
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  Speaker 4: what you want to be when you grow up, and
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  Speaker 4: kids were drawing police officers and doctors and you know,
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  Speaker 4: kiss ass kids was drawn to teach as well. Mine
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  Speaker 4: had a rig with two stick people wrestling get ready
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  Speaker 4: to wrestle each other, and that's what I put, I
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  Speaker 4: want to be a professional wrestler. So my mom still
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  Speaker 4: has that paper today and over the years that's what
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  Speaker 4: she would hear. I want to be a professional. I
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  Speaker 4: want to be Frost. So then it you know, I
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  Speaker 4: was okay.
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  Speaker 5: So I'll give you this scenario.
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  Speaker 4: I lived in Florida, Illinois. An hour and a half
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  Speaker 4: to the west was Saint Louis, Missouri, which had wrestler
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  Speaker 4: at the Chase. An hour to the south was Carmi Illinois, Harrisburg, Illinois,
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  Speaker 4: and Infield, Illinois, and that had Edgelo Paco's i c W.
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  Speaker 4: An hour and a half to the east was Evansville,
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  Speaker 4: Indiana that had c W A which started in the
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  Speaker 4: US w A Jerry ke Mawer, Bill Dundee. Five hours
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  Speaker 4: to the north was Chicago that just had everything you know, AWA,
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  Speaker 4: ww S and ww Windy City and all these companies.
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  Speaker 4: And there was a guy named Willy West Junior and
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  Speaker 4: his law as you did good in school, he would
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  Speaker 4: take you, you know, to these wrestling shows. So I've
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  Speaker 4: been going to live wrestling shows since childhood. And then
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  Speaker 4: excuse me. And then I was friends with a college
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  Speaker 4: teacher named Milton Smith, and he called me on the
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  Speaker 4: phone one time and said, Hey, I have a professional
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  Speaker 4: wrestler in my class, and I said, please get the
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  Speaker 4: guy's telephone number. He got it to me and he said,
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  Speaker 4: are you trying to get tickets out of the guy?
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  Speaker 4: And I said, no, this is my chance. I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to call this guy and become a professor wrestler. The
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  Speaker 4: guy's name was Terry Runyon and he was in a
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  Speaker 4: team call the Sindaco Hill Bullies. Excuse me, I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 4: I wrestled last night and I was healed. I yelled
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  Speaker 4: around my crows all scratchy. But so I called Terry
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  Speaker 4: Ruggin and started school that very next week with a
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  Speaker 4: guy named Bud Chapman out of on the Illinois. Both
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  Speaker 4: those guys are passed away now, but uh, they were
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  Speaker 4: both the two that gave me a chance of professional wrestling.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, uh, it's not just on my account,
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  Speaker 4: but everybody that was in that class says that I'm
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  Speaker 4: the one that you know, I'm the only one that
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  Speaker 4: went far out of Bud Chapman school, which makes me
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  Speaker 4: feel pretty good. But that's where it started. It wasn't hardcore,
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  Speaker 4: it was just basic wrestler. Bit. So after I learned
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  Speaker 4: as much as I could out of Bud Chapman, Uh,
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  Speaker 4: Chris here, Chris Champion who just passed way also uh,
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  Speaker 4: I started going down and wrestle for him. And then
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  Speaker 4: Bill Dundee at its furniture story and I with Travilla.
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  Speaker 4: I started wrestling for him and things just took off.
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  Speaker 4: And then I met Ian Ront and then became retarded.
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  Speaker 4: We're landed and stuff, and here I am today and.
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  Speaker 3: No where is bondo about your voice? By the way,
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  Speaker 3: my I'm actually sick right now. So if I said
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  Speaker 3: a little a little bad or you hear me, you know,
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  Speaker 3: hacking or something, that's what that's what what's wrong with me?
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  Speaker 3: But uh, well, you know you mentioned you a wrestling school, uh,
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  Speaker 3: and how you had to get connected, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: do you look around today and you see all these
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  Speaker 3: different wrestling schools.
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  Speaker 4: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, do you ever, I mean, do you ever
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  Speaker 3: think to yourself, like, my god, it's kind of the
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  Speaker 3: the the ease of a sort of access is so
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  Speaker 3: much easier now because you know they're they're publicly you know,
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  Speaker 3: mentioned these schools now like you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Like they're positively promoted, and then they're all over the place.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I will say this, but when I got into wrestling,
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  Speaker 4: things were so much rougher. Like I hear kids today
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  Speaker 4: get trade and not what jobbed or you know, don't
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  Speaker 4: pick me up in bodies slightly, just ridiculous stuff that
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  Speaker 4: I hear today. But the thing about it is when
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  Speaker 4: I got into wrestling, then we got me and my
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  Speaker 4: best friend Leslie Thompson, which you know, we always called Flick.
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  Speaker 4: It was pondode Flick week after week after week, tried
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  Speaker 4: to show these guys that this is what we wanted
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  Speaker 4: to be. You know, we'd go home with black eyes,
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  Speaker 4: bust the lips. These guys didn't give too much care
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  Speaker 4: about our welfare. And finally Flick Strobey He's like, man,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not paying to go down there and just get
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  Speaker 4: my ass kicked. A week after week, I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 4: it's going to pay off someday, trust me. Well he quit,
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  Speaker 4: I kept going and now I'm the only one. You know,
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  Speaker 4: there was two others where I got a small break.
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  Speaker 4: Now I'm the only one. So for about another three
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  Speaker 4: weeks it was pretty bad. But Friday for more students
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  Speaker 4: came and things got easier on me because I wasn't
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  Speaker 4: the new guy anymore. Plus I'm kind of funny, so
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  Speaker 4: everybody kind of liked me, you know. So everything fell
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  Speaker 4: into place for me at a school. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't hate on how many wrestled schools there are,
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  Speaker 4: because the thing about it is, say there's ken wrestled
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  Speaker 4: schools in the area, there's going to be one to
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  Speaker 4: two stars that go far out of those schools. So
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  Speaker 4: you know, who knows if, say Joey Ryan, who's pretty
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  Speaker 4: huge now, if he didn't go to one of those
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  Speaker 4: one out of tend schools, would he be a star today?
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  Speaker 4: So you know, those one kid at schools, just like me,
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  Speaker 4: I branched out, kept killing and you know, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: a star, but whatever you think about me is what
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  Speaker 4: I am. But uh, you know, you got to have
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  Speaker 4: schools for future stars. And uh, since we're on the subject.
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  Speaker 4: I also say, you know, it's just like what you said, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: so uh, always make sure the school that you go
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  Speaker 4: to can can help you get a little farther, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the real honor school. Uh, let's that Thatcher School to
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  Speaker 4: Tony as a school. You know, guys like that that
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  Speaker 4: could get you to a little farther to help you
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  Speaker 4: get your name out there. Billy Bob's school or John
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  Speaker 4: Smith School that he just bought a ring and put
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  Speaker 4: up at a barn. And and you know all addressers
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  Speaker 4: have tennis shoes. Maybe not the best choice. Always make
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  Speaker 4: sure the school we go to have a little little
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  Speaker 4: bit of rep to it where you should go a
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  Speaker 4: little farther.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know that's good advice, pondocs. I. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I even saw that. You know, Gangrel has a school
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  Speaker 3: now and more and Ricky Morton has a school now,
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  Speaker 3: So I think, yeah, I figure both most most wrestling
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  Speaker 3: fans have heard of either one of.
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  Speaker 4: Those guys, right, she she has a school out of California.
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  Speaker 4: You know there there's guys that I meant. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: favoite about every school that people don't know about, but uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, just make sure whoever owns the school that
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  Speaker 4: they care about the other wrestlers, not just the guy
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  Speaker 4: who says, hey, make sure your dues are paid and
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  Speaker 4: has everybody else go in and train you. You know,
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  Speaker 4: always make sure it's somebody who cares about you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's that's true too. And you got
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  Speaker 3: to make sure that you know, you're not just a
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  Speaker 3: dollar sign, right, You're actually they're they're they're actually there
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  Speaker 3: to make sure to see you develop and succeed, and
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  Speaker 3: and you know it's not just kind of like hey,
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  Speaker 3: you know, give me your money and now.
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  Speaker 4: Go fuck off, right exactly.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Pond of one of the stories that I
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  Speaker 3: can't remember that it's in the book, but I remember
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  Speaker 3: hearing this. You tell the story on on Hannibal's podcast
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  Speaker 3: where you know you wanted to you had the opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to go to Japan to wrestle, and you had to
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  Speaker 3: drive all the way home to make a tape. I
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  Speaker 3: think that I love that story because that just shows you,
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  Speaker 3: you know, determination, and I love stories like that because
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of like, know, what are you willing to
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  Speaker 3: do or how are you willing to pay your dues
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  Speaker 3: to sort of follow your dreams? So if you if
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  Speaker 3: you don't mind, you know, would you mind retelling that
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  Speaker 3: story just for those listening.
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  Speaker 4: I was wrestling Abdullah the Butcher in Oberland, Missouri, and uh,
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  Speaker 4: I believe I was leaving legal. I believe I was
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  Speaker 4: living in either Floria, Illinois or Louigo, Kentucky. Man I get,
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  Speaker 4: I swear my brains are beat out and I forget
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  Speaker 4: things so much. But uh abduing the Butcher after I
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  Speaker 4: got we got done wrestling, was really happy with that match,
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  Speaker 4: and he said, kid, you got it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, uh, you need you need to go to Japan.
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  Speaker 4: And when he said that, I was a flabbergast of excitement.
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  Speaker 4: So he said, uh, I'll tell you what. I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to Japan in four days, So if you could get
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  Speaker 4: me a videotape by the time I come back. When
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  Speaker 4: I go back to Japan, I will take your video
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  Speaker 4: tape and see what I can't do for you. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't let that slide, you know. I was so excited
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't sleep anyway. So from out Missouri, I drove
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  Speaker 4: straight home, got my two bc rs together, put the
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  Speaker 4: cables in, stayed up all night make this video tape
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  Speaker 4: and was at the post office when it opened. I
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  Speaker 4: think I rested him on a Friday.
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  Speaker 5: So it was it was going to be opened from
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  Speaker 5: nine to noon. The post office is going to be
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  Speaker 5: open from nine to noon on Saturday.
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  Speaker 4: Went to the post office overnighted. I don't remember. Back then,
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't as bad as what it is now. I
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  Speaker 4: think it was like twenty four bucks or something like that,
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  Speaker 4: overnighted this video tape to Abdullah's restaurant, and then three
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  Speaker 4: within three days, he called me on the phone. It's
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  Speaker 4: a damn champ.
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  Speaker 5: You really want to go to Japan, don't you?
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  Speaker 4: And I said, yes, sir, I do. He took the
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  Speaker 4: videotape that time, and the next time he went, I
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  Speaker 4: was going too. So not only was he telling the truth,
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  Speaker 4: but he also realized the determination that you know that
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  Speaker 4: that was my dream, never WWE, w CW, none of
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  Speaker 4: the big companies. My dream was I wanted to go
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  Speaker 4: to Japan and wrestle forty three trips there.
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  Speaker 5: I'm back. I believe I exceeded my dream pretty hard.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it also shows again you know what I was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, just saying before, you know, it really just
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  Speaker 3: shows you were willing to just do whatever it took
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  Speaker 3: because you know, other people, it may have just been like, well, shit,
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  Speaker 3: I don't have anything ready. Do I really want to
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  Speaker 3: drive all the way back then have to edit a
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  Speaker 3: tape together then send it out, you know what I mean? Like,
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  Speaker 3: so you actually just you know, just drove back and
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  Speaker 3: it was like was he even thought it was like
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  Speaker 3: I had another option? I guess I just got to
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  Speaker 3: do this.
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  Speaker 4: All the way home, I was thinking of what matches
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  Speaker 4: to put on this on this videotape. So if that
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  Speaker 4: tells you how determined I was that, you know, like
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  Speaker 4: I remember, and I had it for the longest time,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't anymore. I've been divorced, that broke up
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  Speaker 4: with chicks so much that or they broke up with me, however,
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  Speaker 4: but stuffs get left hied. But I had the napkin
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  Speaker 4: that had the matches that I wanted to put on
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  Speaker 4: it and the uh the listing of of how I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to do it. So yeah, the minute he said that,
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  Speaker 4: that's all I could think of was hell, yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: can't wait to get hold and make the tape. And
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  Speaker 4: another funny thing, Yeah, when Hannibal, when I was on
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  Speaker 4: his podcast, he asked me he was like, so, how'd
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  Speaker 4: you get into pen And I was like, man, I
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: was hoping you wouldn't ask for this, but Abdullah.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: Got me over there.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: But it wasn't very comfortable, was what I thought it was.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: But uh yeah, he really didn't even act like it
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: phased n't. And so there's that story.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: So when when you finally were able to go to Japan,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: I mean that was your dream. So that first you know,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: that first tour, that first day that you kind of
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: set foot on Japanese soil, you know what, what did
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: that feel like?
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Bondo?
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: Well, uh, of course this was before cell phones, but
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: uh there was a thing at the airport that said
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: Welcome to Japan.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: I just sat there and I looked at it for
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: a minute, and then so people walk aby. I had
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: to take my picture, you know. Of course, it wasn't
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: a digital picture. It was a This was before anything modern,
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: so it was just one of those little disposable cameras.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: But uh, I could quite four or five pictures in
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: front of the side that said welcome.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Because I had made it, you know, that was the
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: dreamment there I was. I had three dreams growing up.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: I wanted to be in a deblish derby. I wanted
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: to marry an Asia chick, and I want to wrestle
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: with you paid and.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: I pretty well exceeded all three.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: So uh, and so you actually did end up getting
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: into a demolition derby?
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: I sure did.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Uh. My car was stacked out in horror movies like
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: I had Jason Leatherface, Freddie Michael Myers, Tallman Jack Nicholson
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: from The Shiny I mean my car looked looked like, uh,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: sort put out of a comic book when I was dead.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: But yeah, my buddy Sam de Lady and Robert Delady
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: knew how bad I wanted to be the deblicit derby.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: They they sold me a car for two hundred bucks,
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: help me put it together, And yep, I got to
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: a debolish derby.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: So so did you end up? Did you end up winning?
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: No? Not at all. Maybe maybe I didn't understand that
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: you're not supposed to hit people hard and save your car.
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: And there was a guy who was kind of sand
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: bag and lighter up right around the entrance to where
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: he wouldn't get pushed up on a log. So I
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: went from one end of the of the track to
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: the other hit this guy and when I did it
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: knock my accelerator off. It was like it was laying
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: down on the floor.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: And after that I knew I was done.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: See see, I would have made that same mistake Pondough.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: I would always say that the idea is and just
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: wreck as much stuff as possible, right, So yeah, I mean, hey,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: you know that that's awesome. Man, You're able to at
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: least do that and again and by the way, that's
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: a really cool idea for a car.
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: By the way, it was so cool.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: And of course my number was part of the thirteenth.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: So final thirteen was the name of the car.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: Yes, nice number thirteen.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: That's that's really cool man. Uh would you ever do
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: another demolition derby?
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Actually? Uh? There is a tag team called the Mercy
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Brothers out of there. They're out of Strictly and Fayed
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: pro rustling in Crosshail Illinoi and there they demolished a
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: derby where you could have a rider with you. And
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: one of them asked me if I wanted to ride
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: with the dibliss and derby and I said, hell, yeah,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: I'm there till January I'm not going to be driving,
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: but I will be in another demolition derby.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: That's cool. So you're gonna be kind of like, uh,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: you can actually give him advice too. You might tell
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: them like, Gage, look, don't don't just smash, don't drive
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: across the track full speed and smash into somebody.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: I think he's done a few, so I think, you know,
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: he he's got it. But that was my first and
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: only one, and I didn't have it at all again.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: But I would have made that same mistake, right, uh
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: so bludder. You know, as you you know, continue, you
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: know your career, you know you're you're doing you know,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: wrestling and all the independence you got a you actually
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: started your own public access show. And this is really
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: cool because you know, I I again, you know, I've
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: heard the story before and I read it in your book,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: But you were able to start your own public access
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: show called skull Talk TV. And you know it's so interesting.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: So could you tell everybody you know, you know, how
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: you got able to how are you able to start
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: the show? And you know how what the theme whole
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: you know, theme and format of the show was.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Well. Uh, I was working for iw A mets out
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: and uh, an older gentleman like, I think I don't
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: even think I saw him at another show, but an
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: older gentleman was coming over and telling me he he
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: really liked my stuff, you know that I was a
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: good character. And he started telling me that this wrestling
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: should be on TV here in Louisville. For there. He said,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: there's a there's a company called not Annyburg what they
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: was called.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: Excuse me, We'll get a drink real quick, and yeah,
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: you know they're they're wrestling horrible.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: He said, uh, you know, you guys should try and
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: do something on public access. I told him, I said, well,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Ian sells these DVDs. I'm pretty sure he's not want
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: to give him away free on a public accest show.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: So he said, you know, I try to watch Public
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Access as much as I can. But one of the
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: biggest problems with it is they could do whatever they
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: want on public Access And I was like really. He
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: was like, yeah, they could cuss, and they can say
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: as much as the airport on there. I was like,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: I'm appalled. And then next day he said, and you.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: Know what else they could do.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: They could have nudity on there, and I was like, no, kidding.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: And I just act like I was so disgusted. But
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: by the next week or two, I had a public
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: access show on there just by that guy telling me
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: what I could have couldn't do. But it was called
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: call Talk. It was one of the best and worst
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: ideas I ever had. I was a big cape trader
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: back in the day, but I still had a whole
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: bunch of those video tapes. And what I did was
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: I I would put together I had two BC rs.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: I would edit everything myself, and I would have topless
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: or naked girls sitting on my lap and I would
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: introduce different wrestling matches and then we would play them
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: and it was just a half hour show. But you know,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: i'd have like old matches from Florida with Jimmy del Rey.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: I do believe I had a I don't remember what
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: the matches was. But the cool thing was I had
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: these naked chicks sitting on my lap for no parrot reason,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: just that there was naked chicks set on my lap. Now,
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: one of the rules, well not one, but there was
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: a few rules.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: You couldn't advertise anything, you couldn't.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Show penis, which I wouldn't anyway, and you couldn't show Penetration.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Well this was back when web tv. Do you remember
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: web TV? Yeah, yeah, I had a web TV. Well
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: you could put your email address up the bottom there,
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: so I put my my web TV address which would
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: really acclivate everybody was mad Manpondo in Duh House, which
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: was long enough, and then you had to put at
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: WebTV dot com, so everybody it was best to be
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: had to write out that whole thing, Man Manpondo in
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Duh House. So that was at the bottom, which my
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: every episode, my inbox would just be full fifty to
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: fifty fifty percent of people. Oh, I love this show.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: This was so funny, what a great idea. The other
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: fifty was all hate. And I take the public guye
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Fist show. I think they was having a real fun
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: with either me or the other shows. But I was
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: in the middle of two religious church shows. That would
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: be a religious church show, Naked Chicks Off My Lap,
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: and then another religious church show, and this one Preacher.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Every episode would just you know, write this he put
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: scripture on my in my inbox and you know, tell
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: me how fast I was going to hell aftery you know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: just all this stuff. So U finally got down to
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: being a little bored of it, and I had a girl,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: uh use a vibrator on herself and that was considered penetration.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: So they called me on the phone and said, I'm sorry,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: we're not gonna be able to play your TV show anymore,
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: which because I was kind of bored done because the
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: girls were such a problem. You know what, what you
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: think could take ten fifteen minutes was taking hours because
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: the girls had to pee or you know, they wanted
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: to check their make up, all this shit. So I
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: really just let it go. And that was after I
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: believe seventeen episodes, and finally that after maybe a month
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: month and a half, that cable, the Public Accents people
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: called me back and said, we was wondering if you
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: could keep on doing those shows because people was ordering
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: cable just to watch your shows. And by then I
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: was done with it. I said, no, I'm not interested,
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: thank you. But it was a good feeling knowing that
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: that many people watched it or talked about it to
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: the Public Access show that they would call me and
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: asked me to come back.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I imagine because they weren't really going to
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: pay anyway, so you're probably you know, it was kind
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: of like a you know, really a no brainer for you,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: right right exactly.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: So, you know, Panta, you mentioned the girls. You know,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: how would you approach girls here.
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: To come on?
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: To come on skull Talk.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Tower Doom was running a company in Cincinnati, Ohio, and
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: there was only strippers around, so baffore it started first
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: the strippers from his shows, and then every episode I
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: would put on web TV, Hey, if you'd like to appear,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: if you're a hot chick and you'd like to appear
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: on Paublo Cactus on my show, please email me. Well,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: then the email started coming in, and out of every
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: ten girls, you might get one or two.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: But that was good enough for me, you know, because.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: It was coming to my house and know we would
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: put up a backdrop.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: And and film them. But uh, like I said, it.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Was just like one would say, oh yeah, I'm so
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: into this, and then you know you're waiting on her
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: one hour or two hours.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: You're like, all right, she's not coming.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: But uh, when those ones that did show up, you'd
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: be excited about it. You're like, all right, we got
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: another episode. Two and like I said, two or three
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: hours into them just being divas, it was just so
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: so rough at the end of the night. So yeah,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: I was ready for it to stop, but couldn't stop
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: because One, I was just I was just so into
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: the TV show because I would go to Wrestless shows
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: and people would say, man, I saw that call Talk episode.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: It was still awesome. And Two, I couldn't let these
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: religious guys beat me. But uh, there was even a
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: point where I took my own video tape to the
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: public access station and as I was walking in, the
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: guy that had a religious show on before mine was
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: walking out. He didn't say nothing with each other, but
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: he stared at me all the way in, and I
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: stared at him all the way you know.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean it was time for it to stop.
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: And when they called us if I would continue, I
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: was I had already taken a break from it and
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: didn't have the headaches and the problems with it, and
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: I was like, no, I'm not interested.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially when you're doing it for love of the game. Right,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Because I had a friend of mine who was He
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: used to do photography and every so often, like you know,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: he did professional photography, you know, he did different models
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: and stuff. So every so often, you know, you know,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: friends of his, you know, would say, hey, I want
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: to come in and would you give me, you know,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: a discount on something. So he would generally just say, hey, look,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: we've known each other for a while. If you come
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: in on a Sunday at like you know, I don't know,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: like noon or whatever or ten am, he's like, I'll
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: just I'll give you a whole session for free, because
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm not going to nickel and dime you.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: And you know, they would say, oh, thank you, I'm
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: so I can't wait, and he would drive to his
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: studio and he would wait and wait, and they would
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: be like an hour or two hours late, three hours late,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: and finally he would just be like, you know, we're
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: texting him. And then they would get there and be
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: we don't know what to where should we not do this?
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Blah bah blah, And finally he just goes, I'm not
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: doing this for for for anybody anymore. He's like, they
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: have to pay me now to do this. Just because
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: it became so it became a beast onto itself.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Right exactly. You wouldn't think it, would you think it
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: would just be something stoeesy. Comebody coming in sitting on
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: my lap. You know, they don't have to talk, they
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: don't have to do nothing, They just have to show
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: their kids. But that was just such a chore for
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: time after time, and you're just like, I'm.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Sick of this.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well is really saying someone of guys, is my
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: sick of these titties? Get to go out of here?
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that should be a quote from you, Pondo, I'm
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: sick of these titties. Get him happy here?
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: There you go.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: You know Pondo in your book. By the way, I
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: have to ask, uh, there was a you said on
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: the public access there was a you turned it on
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: one day and there was a show called I Eat Poop.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Yes, that was the That was the whatn't the old
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: guy told me about the shows? I started? I started
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: watching the public had sense to see what the guy
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: was talking about, and that was one of the shows
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: I Eat Poop?
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: So is he?
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: I guess this is a dumb question on my part.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Is it is it exactly what it sounds like or
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: is it come out different?
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: No, it was just four or five guys doing their
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: best at like Saturday Night Live skits but failing horribly.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: But you know, they they would trade the fuck word, and.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: You know, they would have a h girls with small
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: outfit on but not totally nude, and and I didn't
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: you know, it was just funny that there was a
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: show on called I E. PO. But of course they
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: would come so uh, people would like it. But then
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: when skull Talk come on and there's actual naked girls
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: and you know, not just tent, there's vaginas and and
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm fucked this and suck that, and I
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: don't know, I guess it just people was more amazed
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: about that and tuning in. I don't even take you
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: had to be a Restler fan to watch my TV show.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: It was just so a shock value that it was
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: on TV that people would tune in. But they're religious guys. Man.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: They would talk about how terrible it was that they
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: would watch every episode and write me, so, you know, it's.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Just no I was going to see their closet fans.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: Pondo exactly exactly.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: It kind of reminds me a few years ago Howard
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Stern used to direct people to the what is it
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: like the Parents Watch Group because basically this parents watch group,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: well on their website. They they had a they had
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: a collection of all the worst things on the Internet.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, look at this. This
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: is awful. We got a boycott this or oh my god,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: look at this. Well it accidentally became this like hub
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: now for all of this like awful stuff that people
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: could like, Oh, if you wanted something bad, go to
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: the people in charge of you know, of of decency
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: a quote unquote. And it was like it was just
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: this big collection of stuff. And then they had to
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: like they had they started to realize all these people
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: were coming to their site, and it was like it
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: was made it even easier to access all the stuff.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: I do this right thing with.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: There's a there's a website. It's called bad numbers dot com.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: And what bad numbers dot com is. It's a uh
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: website that will put numbers that people have called their
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: number their number and uh you know it's like the
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: uh Microsoft scammers or the FBI. I was about to
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: rest you if you don't give us this money, scammers,
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: And the reason the website was made was so you
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: don't call these telephone numbers. But I figured, if scammers
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: are out to waste our time, we need to waste
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: as much as that time as well. So I'll go
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: to that side. I'll find a bad number, and I'll
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: get a bunch of friends around and I'll start fucking.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: With these scammers. So kind of like the same what
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: you just said with the with the Howard Stern one.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: You know that that.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Seems like that would be a pretty funny you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: TV show or podcast pondo, I.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Are you maybe I'll I'll I'll try to do that.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: And if you do that, just just remember your old
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: pal Dave.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: I'll do it.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Uh, there was a buddy after you know, you did
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: skull Talk TV. You know, you ended up becoming a
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: producer for the Jerry Spur Show.
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't call me a producer. I would call me
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: a hired hand.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: I mean I was just getting them guests and and
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: you know they was they was giving me a check,
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: so and all I had to do was call in
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: and and of course all my friends are show offs
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: to fight me and was ready to go.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: So it was it was a win win situation for everybody.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: So so how did they go about contacting you to
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: come on the show and to sort of be the
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: hired hand for them?
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Uh, my buddy A.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Craft got on the Jerry's Freer Show and they asked
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: him do you know any crazy people? And of course
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: he showed them my videos, and I was on the
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: show twice, and finally they asked, hey, do you know
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: any crazy you know crazy people yourselves? And I said,
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: I'm a wrestler, I know all pop crazy people. So
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: I just started getting wrestlers or faans and putting them
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: on the show. And that's thing. I know. I got
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: eight hundred dollars checks, six hundred dollars check, and I
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: was like, well, this is easy. But just like the
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: skull Off Show, after a while, just you know, got
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: so pooring because they wanted you on call twenty four hours.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: If they needed somebody at two, three, four in the morning,
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: they would call you and say, hey, we need this.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Well who the hell are you going to get it
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: to at three or four in the morning. So but
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: they was a demanding you know, and then when you said,
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: well I don't know who I want to get, well, yeah,
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: we've been paying you, We've been doing you know it.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: It was the game bullshit, and I didn't want to
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: do it no more. So I stopped.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah I can imagine getting called two or three in
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: the morning and just being look, aye, bondo, we need
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: a you know, a couple to come on the show
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: or whatever, and you're like, well, how am I supposed
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: to get that right now? It's you know, it's three
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning, and you know there may they
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: may be a halfway across the country.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: A right, exactly.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you don't find it. You know, what were
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: some of the you know, some of the crazy people
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: you met while while doing Springs. I knew in the
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: book you mentioned that you met Butterbean.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, BUTTERBEANU Rod Jeremy was there for one and one
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: of the Backstreet boys. I don't listen to him, so
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: I don't remember who it was, but he was just
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: there towards I guess they was doing a concert somewhere
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: in the area and he was at the show to uh,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: to watch, not to be on the show. But I
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: got to meet him, and you know, I mean and
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: plus uh if you when.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: You would go to the circus, it wasn't.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: The circus that would draw me in. It was the
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: small freak show before the circus, Jerry Springer Show.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: From the green Room. The green room was.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Its own free show that I just loved, and they
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: would fly me in to hang out with, you know,
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: the people that I was getting on the show. So
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: I was able to.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: Go to greenroom, the greenroom, the green room, and man, I'm.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Telling you, there was some There was some strange ones,
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: some hot ones, some ugly ones, some misshaped ones. I
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: mean that Jerry's fear of green rooms was a freak
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: show all of itself, and it would draw me in.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: So you mentioned, you know, I actually I mentioned Butterbean,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: you know. So was he was he there to be
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: a guest on the show?
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: Yes, but he was in the back with us.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: First, he was like waiting in line. I guess his
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: manager had called the Springer Show and said, hey, Butterbee
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: will be interested in coming in. So of course I
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: put him on the front row. And ironically that was
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: I got all the guests for that show except too.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: And two of the guests that I got was was
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: the bump of Uglies, and my buddy Bubba was like
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: challenging Butterbean to get up on stage and fight him.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: So, uh, you know, just it, Yeah, Butterbean and Ron Jammy.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: I don't remember why he was there. He was on
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: the show though, for that I do believe. I don't remember,
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: but you know, just any any little perk that you got,
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: and of course I would. I got to hang out
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: with Jerry Eyber once in a while.
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: Steve didn't really.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: Care for me, so I didn't really get to hang
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: out with Steve all that much. But Jerry Spring was
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: a really nuts guy, and you know, he would talk
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: to us and stuff, and he would go from green
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: room to green room and welcome everybody there. So I
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: got to meet him a lot, you know, being all
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: these green rooms, and it was a fun experience. But
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: when it's time to go, it's time to go, you know.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely know what you mean, you know, just
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: to sort of follow with Butterbean, you mentioned him fighting,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: you know, or somebody challenging him to fight him on stage.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Do you do you remember when Butterbean fought in the
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: bral for All in in WF I do, yeah, what
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: do you What are your thoughts on that whole brawl
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: for all thing?
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: I mean it just you know, I remember when when
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Butterbean knocked out Bart Gunn in like twenty seconds. But
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: what did you think about that whole competition? You know
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: that was actually legit.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: Ah, I mean, of course I was. I couldn't take
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: my off of it.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: But I'll tell you a funny story.
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: Do you remember Bart Gunn won one of those.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: I know, I know he got to be down by
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Butterbean and I don't remember the situation, but Bart Gunn
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: won one of those brawl for it all and he
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: brought the trophy to iw A miss Out and he
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: said he would get it when he when he came back.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: And he never came back. So the original trophy was
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: sitting in the locker room of iw A Mint South
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: for I bet a whole year. But uh, it was
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: the original trophy from Brawford all, you know, big tall
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: thing about I bet it came up to my shoulder
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: and you would think somebody.
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: Who won that trophy would want it back, but it
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: was just there for some reason.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: So did he did. So whatever happened to.
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: It, you know, I don't know, but he and probably sold.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: It on eBay for some time. I don't know, but
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: it was there for I remember a long time.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have been kind of funny if you
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: had taken it and mean like you're the you're the
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: bra Fall champion, you know.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Nah, I'm not. I'm not. That'd be like a target
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: on my forehead saying something I can't.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: I ain't having them guys beat the ship out of mine.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just kidding, Pondo, Uh. I mean, Plus, you're
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: such an awesome guy. I can't imagine. Like I do remember,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: I do remember the brol for when bart Gun beat
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Doctor Death. That was kind of that was kind of
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: an upset. But I mean yeah, I mean and they
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: thought doctor Death was gonna win the whole thing.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Do you remember that, I do, Yeah, it was pumping
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: it up. I don't even think bark gunn had a promo.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: It was doctor deadtune promos all to the thing and
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: that thing. You know.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: Bark Gun you know, just knocked him out.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: And then uh and then they had him had him
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: fight butter Bean, and I mean I mean that that
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: was I mean, I mean, I mean Butterbean, you know,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: he he's I don't know how you would classify Butterbean
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: if he's like an amateur or a professional or somewhere
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: in between. But I mean that guy, I mean, he
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: was a legit fighter regardless when when I saw it,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: because I actually saw that that fight. And when I
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: saw that, I and you know, within the first couple
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: of seconds, Butter being knocked bark Gun dawn On and
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: then I think a couple of seconds later he he
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: just gave him that right hook, and I mean he
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: dropped bart gun. And uh, I think bart Guns like
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: kind of left after that, right, I can't remember, but.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: I think that was his demise. I think when he
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: lost that that was more or less just.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Take it out.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and then but yeah, you know, just
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: to kind of tie this all in, I'm surprised he actually,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: you know, left that trophy there in the locker room.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Did you think maybe do you think maybe he just
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: forgot that he where he left it or just didn't you.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: Have two ships about it one of the two.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that that that's true. But yeah, now I
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: guess it's kind of lost or it was sold somewhere
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: on eBay. But uh, that that's interesting as hell, man.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: But you know, just to you know, just to continue along,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: you know, I just want to say, Pondo, you know,
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: I read your book from cover to cover. Uh I
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: and when I heard it was coming out, I was
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: really excited because again, I followed your career for a
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: while when I when I used to watch wrestling. I
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: haven't watched wrestling since probably two thousand in four or five,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: right around when I graduated high school, and I just
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: kind of I just got kind of kind of got
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: out of it. But but you know, your your book,
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Memoirs of a of a Madman, It's sitting right in
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: here next to me. I have some I actually marked
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: up some pages, so I, you know, had some things
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: that you know, I was like, oh, I better ask
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: about this. I want to ask him more about this.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: But uh, you know, where did you start to you know,
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: want you know, uh get you know, sort of get
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: the impetus to write your own book.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: That was John Coffer wrote another book called Revel and
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: he had asked me. I don't even remember what the
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: question he asked me, but I had a couple of
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: paragraphs in that book, and people kept asking John Coff
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: for hey, if man Man Pondo wrote a couple of paragraphs,
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: you should do a book on him and be really
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: funny and entertaining. So John Costro kept asking me, you know, hey,
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: I want to do a book on your internet, you know.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: To me. I don't know if it's the humbleness in
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: me or just the the fright of nobody giving a ship,
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: but you know, I was I was really on the
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: fence about I don't know, you know, I don't know
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: about being a book because I didn't want a book
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: written about me and then walking in like the Dollar
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Tree and it's it's even half off at the Dollar Tree,
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: you know, just some ship like that. But finally people
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: started coming to me and saying, hey, you should, you
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: should write a book, you know, and they didn't even
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: know that John Cosper was making me the the proposition.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: So then I started thinking, you know, maybe maybe people
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: would read my book. So I went to John Cosser
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: and I said, all right, let's do it. Let's write
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: this Van man Pondo book. And when I finally did
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: agree to do the book, he was also working on
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: doctor d David Schultz's book, which is also available, and
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: so it took longer to get the book written because
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: he would he was really focusing then on that and
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: there was a lot of stuff he had to go over.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: But on his free time, we would meet at Denny's
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: or his house and work on my book. And then
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: finally when he was done with Doctor D's, we just
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: focused in on it, got it done, and there it
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: is in front of you. But I just want everybody
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: to know that, yes, I'm a wrestler, but this book
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: isn't all about my wrestling career, right.
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: I put things that I.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: Messed up in my life, funny things that I did
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: on the road.
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: I believe there is a.
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: Whole conversation with a Nigerian scammer in there. I made
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: it in a comic book that's in there. It's full
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: of pictures that a few that I've taken over the years.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: I mean this, We'll be.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Right back after a word from our sponsor, and now
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: back to the show.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: So much, so much in this book.
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: And when John after it came out, John.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: Cosper wrote me, he said, hey, you know the number
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: one wrestling autobiography on Amazon. I was like, holy shit,
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: are you kidding me? So Uh it showed me that
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: people did really want to hear what I had to say,
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: but uh, in reality, I was just the newest book.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: And then Shinske wrote his, and then you know that
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: number one foot got the shit kicked out.
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: Of it, but I was a number one something.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: On Amazon, which is a pretty big thing for me. So,
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: like I said, you should get this book on Amazon
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: dot com or you can contact John Cosper get your
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: own autograph copy at Eat Sleep wrestler dot com.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: And I'm gonna I'm gonna link to everything Pano and
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I just talked about there in the show notes everybody. Uh, Pano,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: I just want to ask you real quick, what is
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: your favorite story from the book.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's my favorite story, but as
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: you read the book, you saw that I held onto
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: a story and never told anybody. And then finally when
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: I was writing the book, I was like, you know what,
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: let's put this in there. And it was the jump
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: Yard dog story. Did you did you like that story? Yeah?
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: I did? Actually that was that was the one that
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: was the story that I held on too for my
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: twenty nine years of wrestling, and I was like, you
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: know what, fuck it, let's put it in there and
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: so let's stop rowing it for everybody what the Junkyard
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: dog story is. But uh, that was probably my favorite
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: one that I put in the book.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we won't ruin the story. But uh, I
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: have two favorite stories from the book. One is the
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Abdulla Butcher story and and the other one is the
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: is the Joela Duke story.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, both those, both those are I get asked a
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: lot about that Joelah Duke story.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Good because I think that's hilarious because I can just
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: see something like that, like, you know, we'll call it
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: an unfortunate series of events happening just just just keep
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: getting worse and worse.
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: And you can't time.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like whatever could have went wrong in
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: that story went wrong for for you, Pondo, Like even
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: from the get go, from the get go, it was
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: it was. It was bad.
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: It was real bad. But he made me a start
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: at my.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: School, so they'll you know, yeah, it's it all.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: It all worked out in the end. H So, you know, Pando,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: we've been talking for about, you know, roughly fifty minutes now.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: So just in closing, is there anything you sort of
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: want to say to put a period at the end
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: of this whole conversation.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: Well, we didn't cap on it, but I've started my
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: own all girls reftling company. It's called girl Fight Wrestling.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: You can go to Facebook and search girl Fight. It'll
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: be the first starting that pops up, and you know,
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: it's a platform for newer girls to network and get
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: to work with the VET girls.
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: So I'm pretty proud of it.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: And we have another one we've been We did one
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: called Midnight Girl Fight. Would you pretty good for it?
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: So the night before Thanksgiving, we're going to have another
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: Midnight Girl Fight. And what that is. We started eleven
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: fifty nine because if I started it at midnight, oh
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: my god, you can't believe how many people thought a
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: Friday show was going to be on a Saturday. You know,
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: it was just a big headache. So I changed the
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: flyer and it starts on eleven fifty nine on Wednesday.
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: And it's just a good time, you know. I mean,
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: people come out at midnight and it's still really loud
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: and they're all having a good time. But you know,
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: pick up a Girl Fight DVD or whatever and see
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: what we're all about. But girlfight, that's my my all
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: Girls Wrestling company.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll make sure to link to that in
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: this show. Notes. Is is there any social media sites
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: that people can find you at? Hoondo?
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm real terrible about that shit.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: But my name is Kevin Kennedy. C A n A
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: d Y. And I'm on Facebook and I do have
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: an Instagram and a Twitter, but I don't know. For
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: the longest time on Twitter, I was writing people and
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: they wasn't write me back, and I'm like, what an
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: Asshold and I didn't know you had to put at
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: at the beginning of.
• 54:58
  Speaker 8: Of who you're trying to It's right, So I was
• 55:02
  Speaker 8: the asshole. But anyway, faceboost probably the easiest one, and
• 55:07
  Speaker 8: that's Kevin Kennedy c A n.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: A d Y. I think just a picture of me
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: and al Vira, Yeah it is.
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: It's me and Alvira.
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  Speaker 3: It's my profile pick right now, and and I'll link
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  Speaker 3: to that in the show notes. By the way, I
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  Speaker 3: think Pondo, I think you're at your friend's cap because
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  Speaker 3: I actually sent you a firm request and it just
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  Speaker 3: said I think you were at your limit.
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  Speaker 5: Oh well, I'll delete some people. I don't do a shit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you you makes just make room for me,
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  Speaker 3: bet uh me and man, Pondo, I'm gonna say thank
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  Speaker 3: you so much for coming on.
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  Speaker 5: Then, oh thank you for giving me the time.
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  Speaker 4: Man, Like you can't wrestle enough to keep on living
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  Speaker 4: after you die, So things like this help my name
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  Speaker 4: stay out there. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
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  Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
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