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Caught on Their Own Emails · That KEVIN Show

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  Speaker 1: Somewhere in the bowels of the City that Never sleeps.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough, radio host with Salem Medium is a man
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  Speaker 2: also not sleeping.
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  Speaker 3: Mccollor, and that guy would like a word with you.
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  Speaker 2: Many of you know him from a Spooks for damas.
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  Speaker 3: Day and a perspective that will.
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  Speaker 5: Give you some externity to it, plus practical tips for
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  Speaker 5: family life, spiritual life, and good old regular life. It's
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  Speaker 5: Kevin McCullough Monday through Friday on That Kevin Show and
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  Speaker 5: now from the Connors and Sullivan Broadcast Studios. The man
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  Speaker 5: who is not what he wants to be, but is
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  Speaker 5: way grateful that is not who he used to be.
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  Speaker 3: Here the welcome in.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin mccaullaugh, Glad to have you with us. It's That
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Show, that Kevinshow dot Com and friends. I need
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  Speaker 2: to be honest with you. I am. I am very
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  Speaker 2: excited about what we're doing by way of our partnership
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  Speaker 2: with the Bible League. I'm very concerned about the rate
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  Speaker 2: at which we're doing it. And what I mean by
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  Speaker 2: that is we've got the biggest goal we've ever set
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  Speaker 2: for Bibles. We want to get ten thousand Bibles into
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  Speaker 2: the hands of ten thousand Christians who have asked for them,
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  Speaker 2: that are that are in need of them. And it's
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  Speaker 2: not all in one spot. It's three hundred bibles over here,
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  Speaker 2: it's five hund bibles over there. It's fifty bibles for
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  Speaker 2: this house church, it's one hundred and twenty bibles for
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  Speaker 2: this underground church. Here, it's you know, ninety bibles for
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  Speaker 2: a Bible study of former Muslims that were you know,
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  Speaker 2: committing you know, honor crimes and stuff before and now
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  Speaker 2: they've found Jesus and they've repented, but they need they
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  Speaker 2: need the Bible to help them grow. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: it's a variety of needs that are intense everywhere they are,
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  Speaker 2: but ten thousand is what they all add up to
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  Speaker 2: when we put them all together. And friends, we're not
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  Speaker 2: keeping pace right now with where we want to be
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  Speaker 2: by the end of the campaign. And so I'm just
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  Speaker 2: going to ask you to lean in a little harder,
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  Speaker 2: listen a little more closely, and we're going to try
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  Speaker 2: to tell you stories that truly matter about why these
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  Speaker 2: Bibles are so important. And when I say we, I
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  Speaker 2: mean myself and Michael Woolworth, who is back with us
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  Speaker 2: from Bible League headquarters in the middle of the country.
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  Speaker 2: Bible League's an organization, Michael, that's been around for eighty
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  Speaker 2: nine years. And for people that are joining us for
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  Speaker 2: the first time right now, they hear the word Bible League,
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  Speaker 2: what should they take away from that word?
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  Speaker 7: Well, Kevin, great to be with you, and you know,
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  Speaker 7: I love your enthusiasm. You share our burden, you share
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  Speaker 7: the excitement that we have. You know, the Gods are
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  Speaker 7: working around the world through his word, and that's why
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  Speaker 7: there's this incredible need for God's word. I mean, we'll
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  Speaker 7: we'll talk about some of the other factors that weigh
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  Speaker 7: in on this, but again, and I can't say enough
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  Speaker 7: about this listening family. Over about twenty five years of
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  Speaker 7: Kingdom partnership, you know, hundreds of thousands of waiting believers
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  Speaker 7: who had no hope of a Bible now have God's worth.
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  Speaker 7: They're using those Bibles to make much of Him, to
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  Speaker 7: point others to the hope of the Gospel. And as
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  Speaker 7: you say, you know, sometimes you know, we just need
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  Speaker 7: to ask listeners. You know, we're talking to you. We're
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  Speaker 7: talking with you about what God is doing and inviting
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  Speaker 7: you to be a part of this. As you say,
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  Speaker 7: fifty here, five hundred, over there, a thousand in this
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  Speaker 7: first story that we'll cover from Malawi, Africa. But again,
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  Speaker 7: Bible League is all about its engaging people in the
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  Speaker 7: Word of God. There's plenty. We have great Christian ministries
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  Speaker 7: all over the world to do nothing more than provide
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  Speaker 7: a Bible right, but Bible League is all about engagement.
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  Speaker 7: We connect with the under resource church around the world.
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  Speaker 7: Let me tell you what doesn't define the under resource church.
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  Speaker 7: They lack no love for the Lord, no zeal. They
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  Speaker 7: lack no zeal to see people come to Christ. They
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  Speaker 7: don't seek our pity. They're not asking for our protections
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  Speaker 7: for the circumstances in which they live. They're simply under resources.
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  Speaker 7: Under resource in the sense that what God has them
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  Speaker 7: planting in places where it's difficult to live out your faith.
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  Speaker 7: And Kevin, I know it's tempting this great, big world
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  Speaker 7: of ours to think, Okay, my five dollars gift, you're
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  Speaker 7: saying five dollars a Bible, Kevin and Michael, Right, Really,
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  Speaker 7: what kind of an impact does my five dollars gift
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  Speaker 7: in this great, big world of ours actually have? Well,
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  Speaker 7: the stories that we've shared over our couple of weeks together, right,
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  Speaker 7: it all started with one Bible, somebody able to share
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  Speaker 7: what's in that Bible, and as I love to say,
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  Speaker 7: a gracious God willing to bring people from the grips
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  Speaker 7: of spiritual darkness. So again, every story began with a
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  Speaker 7: five dollars commitment that somebody made at some point, and
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  Speaker 7: I wouldn't be surprised to it with somebody from you know,
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  Speaker 7: that Kevin show or listening to WMCA. So again, Bible
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  Speaker 7: League is all about engagement. And these are people that
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  Speaker 7: we know by name of Bible League.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin.
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  Speaker 7: Every one of these men, women, children, in some cases,
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  Speaker 7: they're members of our spiritual family. We never go into
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  Speaker 7: a village, drop down a box of Bibles and pray
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  Speaker 7: that there's takers. These are people that have said yes
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  Speaker 7: to Jesus and they're waiting for a Bible and again
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  Speaker 7: that's where Bible League steps in. The heavy lifting that
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  Speaker 7: we've been tasked with for nearly ninety years as well,
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  Speaker 7: is to provide that Bible the discipleship to get these
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  Speaker 7: believers on their way and their walk with the Lord Jesus.
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  Speaker 7: And again, from wherever you're listening today, wherever that might
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  Speaker 7: be throughout you know, the greater New York City area
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  Speaker 7: or somewhere in the US, you get to be a
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  Speaker 7: part of it simply by stepping into the stories of
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  Speaker 7: these believers. For the princely sum of only five dollars
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  Speaker 7: a Bible.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I want to point out that thus far
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  Speaker 2: you've helped us raise about five hundred Bibles, and you
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  Speaker 2: were talking about the impact that each of them have.
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  Speaker 2: Bible League knows in their eighty nine years because they've
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  Speaker 2: taken a look at this. And you've told us many
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  Speaker 2: times that a safe, conservative, verifiable number that is able
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  Speaker 2: to be understood. For every Bible that's gone out, twelve
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  Speaker 2: new believers have come to faith in Jesus. And so
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about addition by multiplication again and again and
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  Speaker 2: again and again. And I just want people to get
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  Speaker 2: their head around this. The five hundred Bibles that have
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  Speaker 2: gone out that will likely lead to the salvation of
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  Speaker 2: nearly six thousand people. We're talking about maybe ten thousand
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  Speaker 2: bibles that we're hoping to hit. That's going to be
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty thousand people if we get there.
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  Speaker 2: So I want you to just know, because there's lots
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  Speaker 2: of reasons why people ask you to give money to
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  Speaker 2: causes or different interests that they have. If you have
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  Speaker 2: a cynical mindset towards any of this, I'm sorry for you,
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  Speaker 2: but you don't have anything to be cynical about. These
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  Speaker 2: are real people that are in real situations where they
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  Speaker 2: cannot get God's word and they certainly cannot get God's
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  Speaker 2: word and printed in their language in their time, for
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  Speaker 2: their hands, for their eyes, for their hearts, for their homes,
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  Speaker 2: for their lives. This is what Bible League is about.
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  Speaker 2: So we're at five hundred bibles, ninety five hundred bibles
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  Speaker 2: to go. We'd love to get to a thousand bibles
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  Speaker 2: today if that would be possible. That means another one
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  Speaker 2: hundred bibles, another five hundred bibles just in the next
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  Speaker 2: couple of hours. That would make a huge difference. Here's
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  Speaker 2: the phone number one eight hundred yes word one eight
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  Speaker 2: hundred y e s WRD. Now, let me just tell you,
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  Speaker 2: if you have the ability to do something big for God,
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  Speaker 2: if you're looking for ways of doing something that has
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  Speaker 2: big impact, another five hundred bibles today would get us
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  Speaker 2: to a thousand bibles total, and a thousand bibles would
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  Speaker 2: give us one tenth of the way to our goal,
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  Speaker 2: which would which would be a good start. But here's
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  Speaker 2: the thing. It's a twenty five hundred dollars gift because
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  Speaker 2: the bibles are that affordable, they're five dollars each. So
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  Speaker 2: can you Maybe your company's looking for a way to
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  Speaker 2: impact the world in a positive way. Maybe maybe you're
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  Speaker 2: the pastor of a church it's been very burdened about
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  Speaker 2: having more of a gospel witness to the world around you.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe your small group has a bunch of people in
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  Speaker 2: it that have been very successful this year, and you
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  Speaker 2: could ban together and say, do a twenty five hundred
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  Speaker 2: dollars gift and get the remaining five hundred bibles for
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  Speaker 2: the ones we need today. That would be an amazing thing.
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  Speaker 2: Can you be creative in even asking yourself, is there
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  Speaker 2: a way that I can supply the bibles needed? One
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  Speaker 2: hundred bibles is a five hundred dollars gift. What if
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  Speaker 2: I gave one hundred dollars a month for the next
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  Speaker 2: five months as a single donor, could I apply one
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  Speaker 2: hundred bibles? Yeah, you could, It would be It would
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  Speaker 2: be doable. What I'm asking you is to consider it.
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  Speaker 2: What I'm asking you to do is to ask God
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  Speaker 2: to show you what he wants you to do. If
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  Speaker 2: you're married, talk to your spouse, talk to your kids,
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  Speaker 2: get your family involved. Make this an effort that has
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  Speaker 2: importance and significance to it in your mind and heart,
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  Speaker 2: and that'll that'll communicate to the people that you that
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  Speaker 2: you have contact with because you did that. One eight
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  Speaker 2: hundred yes word one eight hundred y E s W
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  Speaker 2: R D. Or go to that kevinshow dot com click
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  Speaker 2: the banner at the top of the page. It's the
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  Speaker 2: Bible League banner one eight hundred yes word one eight
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  Speaker 2: hundred y E s W O R D. Or go
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  Speaker 2: to that kevinshow dot com click the Bible League banner
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  Speaker 2: at the top of the page. Coming right back.
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  Speaker 1: Here, he is from New York. Kevin McCulloch.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. It's Calvin mccalloch. It's Tuesday, and
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  Speaker 2: glad to have you with us for this edition. We've
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  Speaker 2: got a lot yet to get to on the show.
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  Speaker 2: Here at the beginning, though, we always like to set
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  Speaker 2: aside this time to kind of steady ourselves, root ourselves,
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  Speaker 2: be grounded once again in the reality that as believers,
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  Speaker 2: we are called to a different mission. We are called
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  Speaker 2: to a different cause than those that don't believe around us,
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  Speaker 2: and part of it is to live a life that's
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  Speaker 2: different than them. And that's what we're talking about this
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  Speaker 2: week as we ask the question, how do we live?
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  Speaker 2: How do we live in a culture that hates God?
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  Speaker 2: How do we live in a culture that may be
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  Speaker 2: okay with a generic God in their mind, but when
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  Speaker 2: you attach that God to the eternal Scripture, there suddenly
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  Speaker 2: becomes a big objection to it. How do we live
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  Speaker 2: in a culture where not only do they hate God
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  Speaker 2: and really despise this word, but look at us with
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  Speaker 2: some degree of suspicion. This is the context that we
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  Speaker 2: live in. So how do we do that? Well? Jason
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  Speaker 2: Warmon is back with us today and Jason is the
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  Speaker 2: lead pastor at Coast Life Church in Florida, and Jason
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  Speaker 2: we kicked off a very important study yesterday, and we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about we kind of dug into what was at
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  Speaker 2: John ten and and we're kind of dealing with this
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  Speaker 2: idea that we first have to understand what life is
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  Speaker 2: and what we're talking about when we use the word life.
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  Speaker 2: And you mentioned there's a difference between existence, which is
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  Speaker 2: kind of what I think a lot of us do
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  Speaker 2: kind of on route most days. We get out, the
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  Speaker 2: feet hit the floor, we turn the coffee maker on,
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  Speaker 2: we yell at the kids, we make breakfast, we pack lunches,
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  Speaker 2: we send them out, and kind of just the the
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  Speaker 2: existing of life versus life, life, flourishing life, abundant life.
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  Speaker 2: And I believe that that's what God came to give us,
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  Speaker 2: to see us flourish as his creation. So where do
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  Speaker 2: we take that discussion today?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know that's what Jesus literally he said, I've
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  Speaker 8: come that you might have life and have it more abundantly.
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  Speaker 8: And he was using the word in the Greek zoe,
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  Speaker 8: which is a spiritual life. And we tend to live
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  Speaker 8: our existence out of our biological reality, not recognizing that,
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  Speaker 8: you know, we were born spiritually dead. But Jesus came
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  Speaker 8: for the whole purpose that we could be awakened to
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  Speaker 8: a new life, eternal life, spiritual life. And he said,
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  Speaker 8: that's what I've come for, is that you might have
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  Speaker 8: life and have an abundant and that abundance is found
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  Speaker 8: in Christ. And that's why it's you know, it's almost
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  Speaker 8: paradoxical when Ges this says in Matthew chapter ten, he goes, hey,
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  Speaker 8: whoever wants to, whoever tries to find his life, will
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  Speaker 8: lose it. But if you'll lose your life for my sake,
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  Speaker 8: you'll find it. And when you talk about how do
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  Speaker 8: we live in a culture, you know, we have a
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  Speaker 8: culture that is fixated on the biological existence and the
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  Speaker 8: ramifications of that are. You know, we have a culture
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  Speaker 8: that says, hey, you need to find yourself. You need
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  Speaker 8: to discover your truth, live your truth. You need to
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  Speaker 8: follow your heart, even though the Bible says, you know,
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  Speaker 8: the heart of them all things is deceitful. But the
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  Speaker 8: culture says, follow your heart. And Jesus's message was this,
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  Speaker 8: he was before John in Matthew ten thirty eight. He's like,
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  Speaker 8: if you want to follow me, deny yourself, take up
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  Speaker 8: your cross. And so the message of culture is find yourself,
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  Speaker 8: live your truth, follow your heart. And the message of
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  Speaker 8: Jesus is, hey, lose yourself, deny yourself, follow me. Because
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  Speaker 8: the Christian life isn't found through self discovery. It's found
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  Speaker 8: through self surrendered, when we surrender our life to Christ.
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  Speaker 2: I got to do that us every now and then
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  Speaker 2: pump the brakes right there, because that that is a
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  Speaker 2: cataclysmic collision of two different ideas and they couldn't be
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  Speaker 2: more opposite. And I really want to drill down on this.
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  Speaker 2: I hear even Christians at times say, well, until I
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  Speaker 2: really found myself, until I really understood who I was,
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  Speaker 2: blah blah blah, I didn't have, you know, whatever I
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  Speaker 2: was looking for in life. It's always kind of kind
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  Speaker 2: of rubbed me wrong, kind of like hearing nails on
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  Speaker 2: a chalkboard, right, because I'm going, but that's that's exactly
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  Speaker 2: the opposite of what it is. Our identity essentially becomes
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  Speaker 2: lost because his identity replaces it, and we don't really
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  Speaker 2: want that identity anymore. If we had the if we
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  Speaker 2: had the payoff of choosing one or the other, look
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  Speaker 2: at the look at the cost benefit analysis. What do
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  Speaker 2: you get with his identity versus yours right.
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  Speaker 8: You know, that's the biblical term is redemned. And to
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  Speaker 8: redeem something means to take it back to its original source,
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  Speaker 8: like to its original value. And we have to recognize
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  Speaker 8: there is a true us, but the way we're born
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  Speaker 8: is a fallen version of us. And when we surrender that,
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  Speaker 8: you know, what Christ came to do is to give
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  Speaker 8: us an identity that was found in him, in the
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  Speaker 8: God that created us. And when we're when we're trying
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  Speaker 8: to desperately find that in ourselves, all we're left with
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  Speaker 8: is is our own our own matter, our own brain,
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  Speaker 8: our own our own feelings, our own emotive self. And
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  Speaker 8: we ignore the spiritual side. And that's that's the essence
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  Speaker 8: of our creation. We're not just we're not just bodies.
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  Speaker 8: We were designed to be lived from the inside out
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  Speaker 8: spirit through having a physical experience. And what you find
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  Speaker 8: in culture is we've we've replaced the spiritual self with
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  Speaker 8: the psychological self. And that's why people are like, you know,
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  Speaker 8: who who am I instill of? Like who did God
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  Speaker 8: create me to be? And then and then we start
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  Speaker 8: we start looking inward, you know, like for our identity,
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  Speaker 8: our peace, our joy or worth, our purpose and what
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  Speaker 8: what the Bible does is it doesn't it's not an
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  Speaker 8: it's not a road that leads us internal. It's a
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  Speaker 8: it's an external road that goes, Hey, let's let's find
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  Speaker 8: our identity, let's find our peace, let's find our joy,
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  Speaker 8: our worth, our purpose, Let's find all of that in Christ,
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  Speaker 8: not in ourselves. And when it's a there's a big
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  Speaker 8: difference when we don't have the understanding of Christ. Is
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  Speaker 8: I like to I say this all the time, but
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  Speaker 8: there's no spiritual Switzerland, Like, there's no spiritually neutral place
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  Speaker 8: in our rights.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 8: If we don't have Christ in that seat, something else,
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  Speaker 8: some other ideology, some you know, something else is going
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  Speaker 8: to fill that vacuum.
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  Speaker 2: And yet we have gone the other direction in the
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  Speaker 2: modern age, Like we we study the inside of our
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  Speaker 2: navels to the degree that we can tell you where
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  Speaker 2: every cell is. It's just not it's not And I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it's beneficial.
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  Speaker 8: Well yeah, and I don't. I mean, I think you're
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  Speaker 8: right on because if you look at the research, we
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  Speaker 8: have more access to mental health than we've ever had,
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  Speaker 8: and we have worse mental health than any generation before us.
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  Speaker 8: Like it's it's because when you when you look inward.
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  Speaker 8: It was Jesus who said, hey, it's my piece. And
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  Speaker 8: you know Galatians five, joy is a fruit of the spirit.
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  Speaker 8: It doesn't it doesn't come out of my will. It
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  Speaker 8: comes to spiritual gifts that are spiritual fruit that grows.
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  Speaker 6: In my life.
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  Speaker 8: And I mean, we certainly know righteousness doesn't come from us.
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  Speaker 8: It comes from Christ. And everybody wants to be virtuous
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  Speaker 8: and righteous, and it's like, well, that's not in us,
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  Speaker 8: that's that's in Christ. And when you when you remove Christ,
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  Speaker 8: all you have are your emotions, which is why emotivism,
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  Speaker 8: which is when we define what is moral based on
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  Speaker 8: how we feel. That's why that's become the new religion
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  Speaker 8: of the age. And doctor Peter Creef was summarizing k
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: Chesters and they said, when when a culture loses its
• 18:02
  Speaker 8: larger moral framework, compassion and tolerance become the only virtues
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: that are left. So we we go after what makes
• 18:10
  Speaker 8: us feel good. We don't go after what challenges us
• 18:12
  Speaker 8: to grow in Christ, dig deep into finding peace and
• 18:15
  Speaker 8: joy and something that's bigger than ourselves, which was the
• 18:18
  Speaker 8: whole message of Jesus, like, hey, find something greater. He's
• 18:21
  Speaker 8: the one that's greater. He's the one that he's the
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: pearl of great price, you know, he's the He's the
• 18:26
  Speaker 8: treasure hidden in the field. Like we sell everything we
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: have so we can find Christ and then that we
• 18:31
  Speaker 8: find our life.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Well, so let's talk about this replacing the spiritual self
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: with the psychological self. That's a that's a short change
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: anyway you look at it. But what are the things
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: that we that we miss?
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know we u when you don't have the
• 18:50
  Speaker 8: spirit of Christ, what you end up with is the
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: is the spirit of the age and what's happening in
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: our culture right now or where people are looking for
• 19:00
  Speaker 8: or peace, joy, And it hurts my heart because you're right, Anxiety, depression,
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: all of that stuff is on the rise. And then
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: we look within to find it. And and those are
• 19:11
  Speaker 8: things that were designed to be a part of that
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: Zoe life when Jesus said, I came to give you
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: an abundant life, Like there is an abundance of peace,
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: there is an abundance of joy, like we do have
• 19:22
  Speaker 8: access to knowing we have worth and value. But if
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: we only dig in around in the bayos, and that's
• 19:28
  Speaker 8: that's why you know, I encourage my church it's like
• 19:31
  Speaker 8: you need to get mental health counseling. That that's great,
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: but make sure they not only have a degree on
• 19:36
  Speaker 8: the wall, but make sure they have a Bible in
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: their hand. There you go, because Jesus said, it's the
• 19:42
  Speaker 8: truth that sets you free. It's not a counselor. And
• 19:46
  Speaker 8: in fairness, it's not a pastor that sets you free.
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: It's it's the truth of the Word of God that
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: sets you free. And wherever you're looking for for help,
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: make sure they're not. You know, don't let anybody mess
• 19:56
  Speaker 8: with your mind if they don't have a Bible in
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: their hand. Your your mind is too precious.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: This is such a good it's such good stuff in
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: the perfect place for us to kind of park it
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: for today. Friends, join us for the rest of this
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: week because we're just gonna dig deeper. Jason Warman, thank you,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: UH great stuff. Looking forward to deepening this discussion tomorrow
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: and UH Coast Life Church in Florida. If people want
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  Speaker 8: My website is Jason Warman W A R M A
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• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Okay uh, and we're going to deepen this discussion on
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the type of life that Jesus calls us to tomorrow.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Kevin mckellaugh coming right back. We've got a lot of
• 20:44
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• 21:09
  Speaker 1: is from New York. That Kevin McCullough.
• 21:15
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• 21:29
  Speaker 2: One of the things I like to keep my eyes
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: on and keep the pulse of is what's going on
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: in the culture. And within the last twenty four hours,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I've had three people say while gen Z thinks this way,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: And I always think it's interesting that people who monitor
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: such things come up with ideas about what future generations
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: are thinking. Sometimes it's based on research, sometimes based on
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: stuff they hear or see on Instagram. But is any
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: of that good? That's what Leanna Graham takes a look
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: at for Heritage on a regular basis. She's a research
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: research assistant for the domestic policy apartment there heritage one
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: of our longtime friends, and we love talking to the folks. Leanna,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: your first time to be with us. Thanks for coming
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: on board.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: Thanks so much for having me. I'm so excited for
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: our discussion gen.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Z, women and marriage. What do they think?
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Wow, that's a big question and there's so much there
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: in terms of the answer. I'll shut off with an
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: nbe R working paper that recently went viral on x
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: that talked about how the iPhone was found to contribute
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: to a large decline in fertility between two thousand and
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: seven and twenty and eleven for women between the ages
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: of fifteen to forty four, which started the entire dialogue
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: online about the role of the iPhone and how that
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: possibly could be the case. And obviously there are a
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: lot of theories. I don't think it has to do
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: with the actual phone itself itself, radiation, or the device,
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: but probably due to one the structure of the technology
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: and the kind of relationships or lack thereof that it inspires,
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: and also the kind of content that that technology tends
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: to platform, particularly on social media. So I think I've
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: been looking at one in terms of a personal interest,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: but Also, because I was raised on social media, I
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: have seen a lot of the messaging and the narratives,
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: and so in family policy or just in marriage culture.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: More generally, what we've seen is the sort of paradox
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: where women seem to report that they do not believe
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: marriage and family would make their lives better or happier.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: One in three women believe that marriage would be significant
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: for their well being and future achievements, whereas the studies
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: actually show. Surveys show that married women with children are
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: twice as happy as their unmarried peers. So there's a
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: discrepancy between what young women believe marriage will do and
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: what marriage actually does in terms of our lifetime satisfaction.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: And obviously that warrants the question why is that the case?
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: My theory is that a lot of it has to
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: comes down to social media messaging and cultural narratives that
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: have degraded marriage and family as a low status option
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  Speaker 4: for women.
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  Speaker 2: So you're telling me gen Z is pretty skeptical of that.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Yes, in particular young women, I think what you just
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: noted is extraordinarily interesting. I've noticed that too in a
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: lot of the movies that are watched in songs as well,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: and That's actually a term that some people have talked
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: about recently in some discourses, called heteropessimism. It sounds like
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: a fancy kind of jargony term, but it basically just
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: means that there are a lot of young people who
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: are like losing faith in relationships, traditional arrangements, marriage, etc.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: So I think there are a lot of young women
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: in particular who feel that fear. I think some of
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: it is reasonable insofar as there are a lot of
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: negative portrayals of relationships and marriages that have gone away,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: not just in our media but in our own personal lives,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Like with the divorce culture of the nineteen sixties and
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: seventies and eighties, what it was like for children growing
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: up where not only maybe their family members got divorced,
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: but people around them, their friends. They grew up in
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: the ruins of if a good marriage. And so we
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: see this like cyclical effect too, that the kind of
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: values that parents bequeath to their children, not just in
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: terms of things that they say, but what they embody
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  Speaker 4: ends up having a huge influence on the things that
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: children end up ultimately evaluating or valuing as a successful life.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: And we have found too, surveys have shown that parents
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: tend to emphasize the importance of career and education and
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: often neglect to discuss the importance of marriage and family.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: And I've experienced this too, like even for conservative parents.
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  Speaker 4: My parents are both immigrants from a very conservative, traditional country,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: and they very much fit the stereotype of like when
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: I was growing up, they're emphasizing, like, you got to
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: go to school, you got to get your education and career.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying those things are bad, but it's also
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: important to hear how important it is to have a family,
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: how important it is to carry on your traditions, how
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: important it is to build your life around community, because
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: that is how human beings were made to live. And
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: so I think a lot of young women in particular
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: are tapping into this anxiety. Jonathan Height has talked a
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: lot about how we are the anxious generation, and so
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: a lot of family policy discussions operate upon the assumption
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: that people respond rationally to incentives. That is how human
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: beings operate, and a lot of family policy, in terms
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: of cultural and policy discussions are oriented around bringing the
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: risk down. So there are marriage penalties, for example, in
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: the welfare system, making it such that it's not riskier
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: to get married than it is to stay unmarried. That's
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: one side of the coin. But the other side of
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: the coin that I like to focus on as well
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: is not only reducing risk, but reducing our sensitivity to
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: risk or risk aversion. And I think it's well documented
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: that gen Z in particular has a uniquely a unique
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: sensitivity to risk that I think needs to be addressed
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: because ultimately you can reduce the risk, but you can't
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: eradicate it. And love, like all great things, requires vulnerability,
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: which is a form of risk. And so a lot
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: of the things I talk about is we don't just
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: want people to get married, but to how good marriages
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: and what does it mean to have a good marriage.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: I think it's recovering a view of marriage as this covenant,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: as a union between two people. Well that requires mutual dependency,
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: and a lot of cultural narratives emphasize independence both before
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: and within marriage, the sort of partnership view, and it
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: reduces marriage completely and utterly to a partnership at the
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: exclusion of an understanding that is covenanal and I think
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: more grounded in a more human understanding of love.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: That's a mouthful, but Leanna I'm grateful that you've done
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: so much work on this. Take a quick break, come
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: right back. Leanna Graham is my guest. She's part of
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: the Heritage Foundation, works in the domestic policy front. There
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: we're talking marriage and women in the New Age.
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: Stay with us here.
• 28:08
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• 28:18
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• 28:33
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• 28:36
  Speaker 2: that modern women have towards marriage, specifically gen Z and
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: a couple of things strike me, Leana, because the data
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: that you're telling us is that they view marriage different
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: than what marriage seems to produce in their life. I'm
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: also reading studies from other groups that say that the
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: gen Z generation is also like more aggressively spiritually hungry
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: going to church more like they have an increase in
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: church attendance over several generations that precede them. So what's
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: really going on in the heart of these gals.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Well that, first of all, the whole thing about the
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: spiritual revival of gen Z number one, it's true, it's happening,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: but there's a bit of a cadi up there. It's
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: a bit more nuanced because it seems that this is
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: more particularly pronounced amongst young men. And as far as
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: I understand, I just heard alm Roler's Now.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: That can't be bad. By the way, you got more
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: honorable men, and if we convince the women it's okay
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: to marry them, you might actually have good families.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: It's a very interesting dynamic that we're seeing right now.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Al Mohler spoke recently at Heritage. He gave a wonderful
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: talk about why young men are turning to religion. So
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: any of your viewers are interested more deeply in this issue,
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: I highly recommend that they go watch and listen to that.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: But one of the things you noted was that this
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: is actually one of the first times we've seen in
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: church history where men are outnumbering women. Throughout church history,
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: women flocked to the church, and that's because of the
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: dignity they saw and ethics ascribe to women, particularly in
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: the second century. So that's number one. This is part
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: of a deeper divide I think we're seeing amongst young men,
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: between young men and young women. Men are flocking to Christianity.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: And it's not just any Christianity, Okay, it's traditional Christianity.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: It's either Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, or Reformed Protestantism. And
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I think that is emblematic of a yearning, in particular
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: from young men for something real. That's what al Muller
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: talks about in his speech, that men want a tradition
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: that honors ontology or in other words, reality, people who
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: can say that a man is a man and a
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: woman is a woman, and a man cannot become a woman.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: These basic ontological truths are affirmed. And there's also a
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: connection deeply rooted to our history. I think we feel
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: like we are part of a grander and deeper story
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: in the context of the Church, in recognition of our
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: history and traditions. So on the other hand, you see
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: women are becoming more secular, more progressive, skeptical of marriage
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: and family, and part of that is because of the
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: lies I think that are told on social media. If
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: you're familiar at all with Elizabeth Gilbert. She wrote Eat,
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: Prey Love, which became a best selling book, which ultimately
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: became a movie that influenced an entire generation of women. Honestly,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: I could write a dissertation about that movie and that
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: book and its downstream effects on society. But she recently
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: appeared on a podcast, Elizabeth Gilbert, and she made the
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: claim that married women to become married, she says, is
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: statistically speaking, the worst decision a woman could do. And
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: all of the comments this video had millions of views,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: millions of comments or millions of views and hundreds of
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: thousands of comments, and all the comments were saying, Amen,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: Elizabeth Gilbert, I would never get married. I would never
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: do that to myself. And speaking statistically speaking, Elizabeth Gilbert
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: is empirically wrong. Married women, statistically speaking, are wealthier, happier,
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: and report better lifetime satisfaction than unmarried women. And so
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: again this plays back into why the discrepancy between these
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: perceptions and reality. Part of it is like women are
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: actually being lied to about statistically speaking what is accurate,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: as is in the case with Elizabeth Gilbert. But the
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: other side of the coin is messaging that marriage will
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: significantly limit our life choices and in so doing, limit
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: our autonomy and self actualization. It's just a false view
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: of human nature. It's a false view of freedom, which
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: says that the most dignified life is the life that
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: allows me to pick up my backpack and go to
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Europe for a summer just because I can. Honestly, what
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: you've just highlighted to me brings to mind a paradox
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: in terms of what young women say they want and
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: what they actually end up doing. And I think the
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: best example for this there's a pop star named Olivia Woudrigo.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: She was recently interviewed by Vogue and she's twenty three.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: In Vogue asked her, Okay, Livia, do you see marriage
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: as part of your near future? And she jokes she says,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: what am I a childbride? She's twenty three. By the way,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: I got married at twenty one, so I don't know
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: what that would make me in her book, but a
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: lot of people focused on the fact that she said
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: that and said, look at Hollywood and celebrities like the
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: typical anti family, anti marriage messaging. True, But what's most
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: interesting to me about that interview is actually the sentence
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: that comes right after her saying, what am I a childbride?
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: And the sentence right after is, but I want to
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: be a mom more than anything. Whoh boa hold on.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: So we're joking about young marriage, but you're saying you
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: want to be a mom more than anything. This actually
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: tracks with polling. A Polling suggest Or survey suggests that
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: if you ask young Americans how they see their thirties,
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: they typically say the typical stuff like career, education, climbing
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: the ladder, all those things. But if you ask them
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: to project even further out into their sixties, seventies, eighties,
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: most people will say, I want a future where I'm
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: surrounded by grandkids and family members. So it seems like
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: Americans haven't lost the value of family in theory. What's
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: going on is that we're not able to apply it
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: in practice. And there's a lot of reasons for why.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: I think it's not just marriage that has been discouraged
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: and treated as low status, but particularly young marriage. Like
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: the idea of getting married to some women might click,
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: but the idea of getting married at twenty one, for
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: lack of a better word, for a lot of women
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: just seems kind of cringe. And I think that has
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: to deal with a lot of media depictions of you know,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: being young and broke and getting married, and that correlates
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: with being low educated. And we live in a society
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: where status is achieved by doing the opposite, by creating
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: as much independence as possible and achieving that social recognition
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: through those career achievements and market production as opposed as
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: as opposed to getting that value through domestic life and
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: encouraging the next gene.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Part of that and this, you know, sarcasm intended here,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: part of that prevents you Leanna, as a young woman
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: then from having to experience an abortion, maybe struggling financially,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: going through series and series and series of heartbreaks, and
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: have all kinds of other things visit your life that
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: really are more like hell than like thriving. And at
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, if we told young women
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: that marriage and other things might actually offset those things,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: that would make all the ones that work in media
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: and production and academia and everywhere else feel really bad
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: about their own selves because they didn't choose some of
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: those paths. And so it's like, I get it. I
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: get why they're against it, I get why they fight it.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: So hard. But I do think the illustration from Olivia
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Rodriguo is telling because kind of sums it up, kind
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: of hits it on the nose. All right, Leanna Graham,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have to come back because we do this
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: all day. But I appreciate all the work that you're
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: doing with the Heritage Foundation. Thanks for being with us.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Thanks so much for having me.
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: You got it.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Kevin mckella coming back. It's that Kevin shell.
• 35:47
  Speaker 10: Stick around for more that Kevin next time, serving it up.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back, Kevin mccaullaugh. Glad to have you with us,
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  Speaker 2: That kevinshow dot com. And we're friends. We're five hundred
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  Speaker 2: Bibles into a ten thousand Bible journey, so we've taken
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  Speaker 2: the first step, but there's about twenty more steps we
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  Speaker 2: need to take, and we need you to help us.
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  Speaker 2: One eight hundred yes word is the number. One eight
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  Speaker 2: hundred yes word. We're sending Bibles to people who are
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  Speaker 2: believers in God, believers in Jesus, believers in the truth,
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  Speaker 2: but they don't have a copy of the Truth for
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  Speaker 2: themselves to study and to know and to memorize and
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  Speaker 2: to cherish. Michael Woolworth back with us one more time,
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  Speaker 2: and Michael, this is these are people that are in
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  Speaker 2: all various areas of the world, various reasons why they
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  Speaker 2: don't have Bibles, but that desperation to get one is
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  Speaker 2: universe among them all.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I wish we could, you know, just package up
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  Speaker 7: all your listeners, Kevin, take them to places like Papua Indonesia, right,
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  Speaker 7: or in South Africa where the next story originates.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 7: I'd love for them to be in that room, you know,
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  Speaker 7: to see that joy when Christian finally receives a Bible.
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  Speaker 7: Let me say thanks to a couple of these wonderful listeners,
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  Speaker 7: saying Count us in Barbara of Brooklyn said, I'm in
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  Speaker 7: at thirteen bibles, Ruth, thank you for this gift from
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  Speaker 7: the Bronx five hundred dollars gift and investment in this
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  Speaker 7: campaign to put Bibles into one hundred waiting believers hands today.
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: And that's how it happens again. We have a goal
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  Speaker 7: to bless just north of ten thousand waiting believers that
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  Speaker 7: we know by name at Bible League. And that's how
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  Speaker 7: we get there. It's every call and every click today,
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  Speaker 7: and Kevin, I've certainly shared a lot of needs today.
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  Speaker 7: I also just really wanted you to hear the reaction
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  Speaker 7: of a senior saint when she finally received her Bible.
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  Speaker 7: She's in South Africa, part of the Zulu tribe.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 7: Her family were all animists. They believe there are spirits
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  Speaker 7: and places and things. They're highly superstitious. They prayed to
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  Speaker 7: dead relatives for protection. They really have no understanding of
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  Speaker 7: who Jesus is, no england of what Christianity was all about.
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  Speaker 7: But in the case of Miriam, in her sixties, her
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  Speaker 7: pastor was the only one in the congregation to have
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  Speaker 7: a prayer, and she of course planted herself under his
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  Speaker 7: godly teaching. Was just grateful to be a part of
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  Speaker 7: the family. God had sort of written off that she'd
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  Speaker 7: ever have a Bible. But my colleague Joseph went into
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  Speaker 7: the Zulu tribe. He was able to provide Bibles to
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  Speaker 7: new believers. One of those Miriam, And he said, Michael,
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  Speaker 7: when I gave her the Bible, she didn't merely say
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  Speaker 7: thank you, he said.
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  Speaker 1: This was her reaction.
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  Speaker 11: We were in a place called Uma Langa. The lady
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  Speaker 11: there she literally cried. She leelt down and she cried.
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  Speaker 11: At the age of sixty, she never had a bible.
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  Speaker 11: It is so much fulfilling just to see people like
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  Speaker 11: hey redressing and being so gracious when they received their bibles.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that's the reaction. I mean, make no
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  Speaker 7: mistake about it. Every five dollars gift is wanted, the
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  Speaker 7: answer to the prayer of a waiting believer. You're putting
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  Speaker 7: tears of joy not only on the faces but in
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  Speaker 7: the hearts of these waiting believers into Paul and Galatian
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  Speaker 7: six is what he said, I bear one another's burdens,
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  Speaker 7: thus fulfill the law of Christ.
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  Speaker 3: Kevin.
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  Speaker 7: That's what people like Barbara Ruth others we think today
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  Speaker 7: who are doing right. They're fulfilling the law of Christ
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: by what bearing the burden of other believers around the world,
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  Speaker 7: in this case, giving them a bible for the princely
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  Speaker 7: sum of only five dollars.
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  Speaker 2: And now think about this. That means that they are
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  Speaker 2: reaching six thousand people every day with the gospel around
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  Speaker 2: the world. Five hundred people are trained every day to
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  Speaker 2: share Christ. New evangelists every day, one new church's planet
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  Speaker 2: every three hours. These are just some of the things
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  Speaker 2: that are happening because of the Bible League, Bibles going out,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: because of people finding the truth, knowing the truth for
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: the first time. And that's part of what your gift
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: of giving a Bible is continuing to create that little
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: army of people that are going and giving the Gospel
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  Speaker 2: to everyone they know one eight hundred yes word one,
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  Speaker 2: a five hundred dollars gift right now, that's one hundred bibles.
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  Speaker 2: Two hundred and fifty dollars. Will give us fifty bibles
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  Speaker 2: and you do the math. But every bible costing five
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  Speaker 2: dollars each, decide what your budget is, give that amount,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Divide it by five. That's the number of Bibles that
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: you're giving. Multiply that number of bibles times twelve. That's
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: the number of people that you're reaching. And we just
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  Speaker 2: encourage you to pray on it and to give eight
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  Speaker 2: hundred yes word one, eight hundred yes WRD.
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  Speaker 5: Somewhere in the bowels of the city that never sleeps, Kevin.
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  Speaker 2: McCalla, radio host with Salem Media, is a man also
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  Speaker 1: So that's Kevin and the power and.
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  Speaker 5: The man who is not what he wants to be,
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  Speaker 5: but is way grateful that is not who he used
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  Speaker 13: Here everyone wants to read the Bible. But what happens
• 42:15
  Speaker 13: there are a few copies here in the area. Many
• 42:18
  Speaker 13: of them will be sharing a single Bible.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Many people sharing a single Bible. That's the case over
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: and over again. The Bible League runs into Michael. Woolworth
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: is back with us, and Michael, that's the problem we're
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: trying to work ourselves out of. We want to get
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: more Bibles into the hands of people so that they
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: can't read the scriptures for themselves.
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  Speaker 7: Well, the man is an itinerant. Pastor ministers have primarily
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  Speaker 7: in the Andes Mounds, the countries of Ecuador and Peru. Yeah,
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: Carlo does not exaggerate the truth, Kevin. He's got believers,
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  Speaker 7: you know, five hundred here, three hundred here, fifty over
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  Speaker 7: here that are what eager to grow in grace, right,
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: but they've never read for themselves from the precious Word
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: have gone and so it ought to be unthinkable in
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: our minds. But that's happening in this day and age,
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: especially when you can provide that for the princely sum
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: of only five dollars a Bible. So if you love
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: your Bible, if God has used his word to grow you,
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: would you give that privilege to others day. That's what
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: we're doing in this campaign that will not go on forever.
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: By the way, we have simply earmarked a few weeks
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: to come together to tackle this goal of blessing just
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  Speaker 7: north of ten thousand waiting believers that we know by
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: name of Bible. Where right now Kevin closing in one
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  Speaker 7: thousand bibles, So that would put us at one tenth
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  Speaker 7: of the goal met to this point, but again a
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: long way to go. And again it happens with every
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  Speaker 7: call and with every click.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Today, one eight hundred yes word is the number one
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: eight hundred yes word. You can also give online at
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: that Kevinshow dot com. Click the banner at the top
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: of the homepage the Bible League manner. It's the only
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  Speaker 2: thing there. It's at the very top of the homepage.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Just click. That should take you about two minutes roughly,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: to put your information in, to give your gift, and
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: to be on your way. But Michael, the return on
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: giving that gift is unlike any other benefit I can
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: think of in terms of what I could do with
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: that money if I'm talking about truly spiritually important stuff,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: because those Bibles turn into more lives that have been changed.
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  Speaker 7: Well, you know from a you know, an investment standpoint
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: that you can trust. You know, my bele League has
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  Speaker 7: been properly vetted. This is year eighty eight for us. Right,
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  Speaker 7: We've been on you know that Kevin Show days, Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: WMCA for for many many years. I mean, we get
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  Speaker 7: the high marks where we need them. You deserve to
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: know that as a listener. That's considering this investment right.
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: Charity Navigator gives us the highest ratings. The Evangelical Council
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  Speaker 7: for Financial Accountability gives us the highest ratings as well.
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: And again, Kevin, we've been able to come back year
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: after year and give you a return on investment report,
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: if you will, And it's one. It's the stories. It's
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: precious souls that have come to the Lord in places
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: again where it's difficult to live out your faith. And
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: a couple of numbers that I share. These are statistics
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  Speaker 7: that I think that really ought to stick in our minds.
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  Speaker 7: Number one is what as many as nine of ten
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  Speaker 7: new believers in the regions where we serve, Asia, Africa,
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: the Middle East and Latin America, as many as nine
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: of ten new believers go without. Again, what's so basic
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: to the Christian faith? And that simply having a Bible right?
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: And we can tell you that with confidence. I can
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  Speaker 7: tell you on the other end of that as what
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  Speaker 7: this miracle multiplier? Kevin, I think you coined that phrase
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  Speaker 7: for us, and that is, on average, we can tell
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  Speaker 7: you that a dozen people are impacted with every Bible
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: that hits the waiting hands of a heart hungry believer.
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: They're on fire for Jesus. Maybe the bush of Africa,
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: maybe it's the Andes Mountains, maybe it's near the Himalayan
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: Mountains in Nepal. But again, these are the areas where
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  Speaker 7: God is called Bible League to serve. And we can
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  Speaker 7: tell you with confidence, on average a dozen people impacted.
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  Speaker 7: Somebody may say to a fellow believer, look, I've got
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  Speaker 7: a Bible. Now, a thousand people have said yes to Jesus.
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  Speaker 7: A thousand people have said yes to Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 7: Many of those are like Mary, and my colleague Nick,
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  Speaker 7: who went in that camp, said Michael. He said a
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  Speaker 7: lot of these women their future is is terribly uncertain.
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  Speaker 7: Their husbands have died, they've got kids, they don't have jobs.
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  Speaker 7: They know they're not going back to their land. But
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: he said, they're hope filled as they come to Christ.
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  Speaker 7: But you've got this audio clip from my colleague Nick,
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  Speaker 7: and he is in the Zelika refugee camp in Malawi, Africa.
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  Speaker 14: Many of the people coming to the camp, many cases
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  Speaker 14: these are women whose husbands had been killed, were obviously
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  Speaker 14: coming in the most desperate circumstances, wondering how they're going
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  Speaker 14: to look after their families, feed their children and really
• 46:29
  Speaker 14: feeling completely hopeless and homeless. But what we discovered is
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  Speaker 14: that many of them, through the work that we've been
• 46:36
  Speaker 14: able to do there, are really finding hope. And some
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  Speaker 14: of them were saying that the sort of lifelong aspiration
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  Speaker 14: now is actually to stay in the camp as evangelists,
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  Speaker 14: to which to me was.
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  Speaker 7: Remarkable crazy Christians right. As Nick said, if the traffic
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: was whizzing by there, he said, you know, people are
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: maked on this mistake that they are desperate. Mariam is
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: one of those people, right. Her husband died in their camp,
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: leaving her a widow with three children, ages three, five,
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: and seven. But she's a new believer, wants to raise
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: those kids in the ways of the Lord, praying for
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: a Kurundi language Bible. But as Nick said, there's a
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  Speaker 7: lot of people wanting to stay in that camp. Why
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: they see the move of God. They've come to saving
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: faith right, having left all the isms that plague that
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: part of the world, right, and yet they want to
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: stay there. They want to see the Gospel take root. Kevin,
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: these are people that I want to support again. When
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: you see scripture take root, lives changed and a joy
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: that follows listen. That's a work that Bible League has
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: been a part of for ninety almost ninety years. And
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: this WMCA family, those listening to that Kevin Show, you've
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: been a part of this too for a long time.
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: And again our prayer today is let's do it for
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: a thousand believers that are waiting for Bibles in this
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: Elika refugee camp in Malawi.
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  Speaker 2: The phone number is one eight hundred yes word, one
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: eight hundred yes word. You can also give a gift
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: by going to that Kevinshow dot com and clicking the
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: banner at the top of the page that Kevinshow dot
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: com at the top of the page just says Bible
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: League and it's easy to identify. You'll see a smiling
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: face of a woman holding a Bible there. That's the
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: idea of putting a Bible in her language, in her
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: hand so that she can put it in her head
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: and heart and hopefully communicate it to those that she
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: comes into contact with as well. That's the end result
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: of your five dollars is putting a Bible in their hands.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: And Michael, I hate to kind of beat a dead
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: horse on this, but this is something that there's just
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: no doubt about it. If these people could receive Bibles
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: in any other fashion, they already would have. Like their
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: desire is so deep and so great for a copy
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: of God's word for themselves like this, there really is
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: nowhere else to turn except the Bible League for them.
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: Well, we're not the biggest, we haven't been doing this
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: the longest. But Kevin, there's a lot of places where
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: Bible League serves. There's no other ministry doing that, right,
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: And that is true of the work that God has
• 48:58
  Speaker 7: called us to inside a refugee camp. And Kevin, I
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  Speaker 7: think about Jesus and Matthew twenty five where he says,
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: you know, you do it to the least of these,
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: You've done it unto me. I think we can agree
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: these are the least of these people that have suffered
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: an incredible loss. Maryam losing her husband with an uncertain future.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 7: And then Jesus in that text you know, says there's
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  Speaker 7: going to come a day I'll separate the goats from
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: the sheep. You know, the goats or whom that's the unbelievers.
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: Is what my time, my money, it's mine right, But
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: that ladder group the sheep, say what Lord Everything I
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: have is yours, my time, my resources, and I know
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: you know. This listening family is characterized by that latter
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: group people that have said, not only do I have
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: a great concern where God has me planning, but I'm
• 49:41
  Speaker 7: able to look half world away to a place like
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: the Zilika refugee camp and provide Bibles for the least
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: of these. Kevin, It's why we're doing this Kingdom business today.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: One thousand Bibles needed for those that are doing the
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: studies in the Zelika camp. One thousand bibles. That means
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: one thousand people have come to they need to grow.
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  Speaker 2: If friends, if you had the ability to do that
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: in a one time gift, that's a five thousand dollars
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: one time gift, or maybe you need to do it
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: twice at twenty five hundred or one thousand dollars a
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: month for five months, whatever God puts upon your heart.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: But that's the need in that refugee camp that has
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: sixty thousand people crammed into the space of ten thousand,
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: the need is a thousand Bibles. Would you help us
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: right now? One eight hundred yes word, one eight hundred
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  Speaker 2: yes word or go to that kevinshow dot com. Click
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: the banner at the top of the page that kevinshow
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: dot com.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Here he is from New York. That Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: It's Calvin McCullough. Glad to have you with us. It's
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: the Tuesday edition and on Tuesdays we like to check
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: in with Katie McFarland for the briefing. She has advised
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: multiple administrations on national security and foreign affairs policy issues,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: and kat I, the Iran question to me is an
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: interesting one because Trump continually answers it differently than his predecessors,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: and it seems like the regime continues to try to
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: play the same game. But he's had enough and he's
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: breaking things and blowing things up now. So what's going
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: on here?
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  Speaker 15: You know, it's so frustrating because the leadership of Iran
• 51:46
  Speaker 15: it clearly divided, the civilian leadership, the parliament, the president.
• 51:52
  Speaker 15: They want a deal. They know that their inflation rate
• 51:54
  Speaker 15: is out of control, their currencies collapse, they have massive unemployment,
• 51:59
  Speaker 15: They're facing hundreds of billions of dollars to repair what's
• 52:03
  Speaker 15: already been destroyed, and that's even without rebuilding any kind
• 52:06
  Speaker 15: of military. They know they need a deal. They know
• 52:09
  Speaker 15: that they're not getting any income going forward as long
• 52:12
  Speaker 15: as that blockade works. But the Iyers, you see the
• 52:15
  Speaker 15: let's say one hundred and fifty thousand, I mean maybe
• 52:17
  Speaker 15: it's five hundred thousand of their revolutionary Guard and their besieged,
• 52:22
  Speaker 15: which is their irregular police force, like the Stirts in
• 52:26
  Speaker 15: Nazi Germany. The thugs, they're murders. They'd rather go down.
• 52:31
  Speaker 15: They'd rather have ninety million people die than to find
• 52:34
  Speaker 15: a deal here and to give up any kind of
• 52:37
  Speaker 15: their weapons system. So that's the problem. And the guys
• 52:40
  Speaker 15: with the guns are the ones who are calling the
• 52:43
  Speaker 15: so seems to be so far. Are the guys with
• 52:45
  Speaker 15: the guns are calling the shots? As I look at this,
• 52:48
  Speaker 15: you know what's our way out of this? When you
• 52:49
  Speaker 15: just keep going? There's no way you can pull back
• 52:52
  Speaker 15: at this point. You have to keep going. And is
• 52:55
  Speaker 15: there a group within Iran that is capable of running
• 52:58
  Speaker 15: the country? And I think there is. It's the theillion
• 53:00
  Speaker 15: leaders that I've just mentioned, and then in addition, it's
• 53:03
  Speaker 15: the regular army, the guys that predated the Iranian revolution.
• 53:09
  Speaker 15: There's still an existence, and President Trump has not targeted them,
• 53:13
  Speaker 15: and they're potentially a military. Then there's the regular police force.
• 53:17
  Speaker 15: They've not been targeted. And these are the guys again
• 53:20
  Speaker 15: that pre date the brown Shirt besieged thugs. There's still around,
• 53:24
  Speaker 15: so maybe there's a nexus, a corridor that could govern
• 53:26
  Speaker 15: that country. But at this point, I think you have
• 53:29
  Speaker 15: to just keep going the target list. Let me and
• 53:31
  Speaker 15: just go down every and then Pickax Mountain, where we
• 53:33
  Speaker 15: think is their new nuclear site, destroy that. And I
• 53:37
  Speaker 15: think then finally, if nobody in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard
• 53:40
  Speaker 15: wants to cut a deal, we're now working on the
• 53:42
  Speaker 15: third tier of leaders I think it's time to work
• 53:45
  Speaker 15: on the fourth, and the fifth and the sixth tier
• 53:46
  Speaker 15: of leadership. Iran knows that we have the ability to
• 53:50
  Speaker 15: capa to destroy those leaders. Israel certainly knows. Masad knows
• 53:54
  Speaker 15: where they all are.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: And maybe we'll say, I think we've probably got ten
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: thousand Massad agents in Iran right now now, and I'm
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: guessing that they probably know pretty much down to a man,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: where every one of those guys are. Yes, that's what
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: my Israeli sources tell me that were flooded into there.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: So a couple of things on this, and let me
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: pull the lens back a little bit. I was talking
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: yesterday when we talk more about money on Mondays with
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: some of my market guys, and one of the thoughts
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: is that, and it's just in the earliest stages, but
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: there's been a complete realignment concerning the straight and the
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: thinking now is you get pipelines built, and that there's
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: going to be some reopening of pipeline projects that had
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: not been open before, and that you're going to see
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: eventually a lot less oil needing to go via ship
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: through that region. Does that just ultimately cripple the regime's
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: chance of doing anything because this I mean they basically
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: exist off of oil.
• 54:59
  Speaker 15: Right, that's correct. And what has happened is two things.
• 55:04
  Speaker 15: Countries have been getting their oil from the United States
• 55:07
  Speaker 15: instead of the Middle East, and so our oil krudo
• 55:11
  Speaker 15: all exports have gone up thirty percent since the world began.
• 55:13
  Speaker 15: That's terrific for our business. But the second thing is
• 55:16
  Speaker 15: the pipelines. There are existing pipelines, the UAE has them, Iraq,
• 55:20
  Speaker 15: the Saudis, and they were never really know, never really
• 55:24
  Speaker 15: reinforced that nobody really put a lot of effort into them.
• 55:26
  Speaker 15: A lot of effort has been put into them in
• 55:28
  Speaker 15: the last several months because those countries are saying enough
• 55:31
  Speaker 15: is enough. Iran, whether it's this time or next time,
• 55:34
  Speaker 15: has it just holds this hostage over the story of rumors.
• 55:37
  Speaker 15: I think within ten years, the straight of Rermves is
• 55:39
  Speaker 15: not going to be a problem. I think oil is
• 55:41
  Speaker 15: not going to move through the Gulf because Iran has
• 55:44
  Speaker 15: so screwed it up. I think oil will move through
• 55:46
  Speaker 15: these pipelines. New pipelines are being built. Their pipelines are
• 55:48
  Speaker 15: going to go to the Red Sea, their pipelines they
• 55:50
  Speaker 15: are going to go to the Mediterranean, and they're just
• 55:52
  Speaker 15: going to avoid the straight of removes in the Persian Gulf.
• 55:56
  Speaker 15: And Iran has done that to itself.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So do you think there's a chance that the
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Iranian people can be spared? Because I know that what
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Trump is doing right now is trying to keep things
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: targeted and limited and focused, and he's constantly reminded us
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: that he cares about the Iranian people. That's one of
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: the reasons why these actions were taken to partially free them.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: But then you see like the turnout for the Kamani funeral,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: and you're like, well, that doesn't look good. Like what's
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: your feeling on the civilian population.
• 56:29
  Speaker 15: If we don't know, all we know is that a
• 56:31
  Speaker 15: year ago, millions of them turned out to protest the
• 56:36
  Speaker 15: economic conditions that the Ayatola was imposing upon them, and
• 56:40
  Speaker 15: thirty thousand of them were gunned down for that opposition.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: But to be worse than what he put on them.
• 56:47
  Speaker 15: Order magnitude worse. And yet they're free to go out
• 56:51
  Speaker 15: because if they go out to protests, then even more
• 56:53
  Speaker 15: get gun down. I just keep thinking again, it's so
• 56:56
  Speaker 15: hard to take the long term few because I just
• 56:58
  Speaker 15: look at what I have to pay for today and
• 57:00
  Speaker 15: I'm mad. But the long term view is that the
• 57:05
  Speaker 15: Middle East has been completely realigned. The golf arabs is
• 57:08
  Speaker 15: around the United States are on the same side. The
• 57:10
  Speaker 15: long range view is that the United States now dominates
• 57:13
  Speaker 15: world energy. We are the largest world producer exporter of oil,
• 57:18
  Speaker 15: crude oil, refined oil, natural I liquified natural gas. You know,
• 57:22
  Speaker 15: we are energy dominant now throughout the world. Iran will
• 57:26
  Speaker 15: eventually crumble, and hopefully ninety one million people don't have
• 57:30
  Speaker 15: to go down with their leaders. I don't think they will.
• 57:32
  Speaker 15: I think that the Iranian people at some point stand
• 57:36
  Speaker 15: up and say enough is enough. Where some within the
• 57:38
  Speaker 15: leadership will say enough is enough. But at the end
• 57:41
  Speaker 15: of the day, it's a boon to the universe that
• 57:46
  Speaker 15: the Iranian leadership isn't in charge. And I kept thinking
• 57:49
  Speaker 15: back to remember, Kevin, you and I talked for years
• 57:52
  Speaker 15: about Hamas and Gaza and the Palestinians, and do the
• 57:56
  Speaker 15: Palestinians really support Hamas as the leaders of them? Or
• 58:01
  Speaker 15: was Hamas really exploiting and using its own civilian leadership,
• 58:05
  Speaker 15: its own people as human shields. And now we're not
• 58:09
  Speaker 15: talking about Gaza at all. Why because Hamas has been destroyed.
• 58:13
  Speaker 15: Israel destroyed it, the United States destroyed it, the Gulf
• 58:16
  Speaker 15: Arabs destroyed it by not giving it any money. And
• 58:18
  Speaker 15: so what's now in Gaza. It's a Gaza peace plan
• 58:23
  Speaker 15: slowly being rebuilt, and Hamas is not holding its own
• 58:27
  Speaker 15: people hostage. Maybe the i ergy c is Hamas. You
• 58:30
  Speaker 15: know that maybe you have to destroy the IRGC before
• 58:34
  Speaker 15: you can have an iron that's free.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Kind of coming to the idea that there's no other
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: coclusion that we can have about this, So let me
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: ask you about that. I agree with the report out
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: this morning that says that Yemen they're tough, they're going
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: to hold the Red Sea hostage. Now how much by
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: comparison to the Straight of Horn moves. How important is
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: what they're trying to do and they're opposing the Saudis
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: on the other side of them to do that doesn't
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: seem to me that it would bow very well for
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: very long. But what's your take.
• 59:04
  Speaker 15: Well, I mean, if the huties exists because Around funds them,
• 59:07
  Speaker 15: and if Around doesn't have the money to fund them,
• 59:09
  Speaker 15: the Huges don't exists for long. And secondly, you're right,
• 59:12
  Speaker 15: Yemen is really a fight. It's a civil war in Yemen,
• 59:16
  Speaker 15: and it's a fight between the Saudis and the Iranians.
• 59:19
  Speaker 15: Iranians support one group, the Saudis support the other group.
• 59:22
  Speaker 15: I don't you know, Again, it can threaten ship An
• 59:25
  Speaker 15: you know, there's always one errant missile that can get there.
• 59:28
  Speaker 15: But the long range, big picture view is that I
• 59:31
  Speaker 15: don't think that the Hucies are a great threat.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: But does the Red Sea threaten global autonomy?
• 59:36
  Speaker 15: Not as much? Not as much. Okay, it's mostly the
• 59:38
  Speaker 15: Persian Gulf.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Lastly, and it's a complete change of subject, but the
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: President gave his address last Thursday night on election integrity
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: and I've written a lot about this over the last
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: couple of years. I'm just curious your thoughts on his premise,
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: which is, if we don't have clean elections, we don't
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: have a nation.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 15: But I was a little disappointed in the speech because
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 15: what I think a great call to action and I've
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 15: written national speeches like that Oval Office speech, Adrenaline notion,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 15: and what you want to do is identify the problem,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 15: offer a solution to the problem, and then rally the public,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 15: especially if the public is being asked to sacrifice, whether
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 15: it was FDR doing that, whether it was Lincoln doing that,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 15: whether it was George Washington or Ronald Reagan. And what
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 15: I saw President Trump do is identify a big problem,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 15: But I wasn't sure there was a real you know,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 15: what's the solution here? What is our call to action?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 15: I think that that if he had done that, it
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 15: would have been better. If not, it's not. I mean,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 15: it's great to identify the problem, but so what's the
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 15: answer here? The Save America Act, for sure, is probably
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 15: the primary response that we need to have. But I
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 15: didn't hear him sort of a full throated discussion of that,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 15: and I would have liked to hear that, but free
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 15: and fair elections if they don't, if we don't have
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 15: free elections, just the game.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm very disappointed that people like John Thune and
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: others that kind of came to power during the Tea
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Party era don't understand that this is a fundamental rights
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: kind of issue, Like we're talking about the things that
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: the founders fought for in terms of integrity. Anyway, Katie, you're.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 15: A busy lady, you guys gross fine.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: And she did. She just did on four hundred stations
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: across the country. Thank you, lady. McFarland. Always appreciate you.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Got it. Kevin McCalla coming right back, don't go anywhere's.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Stick around for more of that. Kevin next here he
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: is from New York exactly, Ken, Kevin mcmor.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Welcome back, Kevin metholiclif had you with us. It's that
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Kevin show that kevinshow dot com. Michael Woolworth is also here.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: We're talking about Bibles, and we're talking about putting them
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: into the hands of people that need them, Michael. And
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of reasons why they can't get them
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: in the various regions of the world. That they're in
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: and some of its political persecution, some of its outright
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: like military hostility, some of it is economic and circumstantial,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: some of it is from natural disasters and just there's
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: no infrastructure to be able to do anything like this.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: But whatever the reasons are, all of the people that
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: we're trying to help have two things that they know
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: for sure. One is that they desperately want a copy
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: of God's Word, that it is dear to them, that
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: it is something that it will help them grow, it
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: is something that they need. And the second thing that
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: they all have in common is that they even though
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: they desperately want it, they're not able to get it.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: So how do we solve that problem? Michael Wilworth, Bible
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: League has been stepping into that gap for a long time.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: And you may say you're not the biggest or the best,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: but I will just say this, I've seen a lot
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: of mysteries. I've seen a lot of mysteries claim to
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: do Bible work. I've never seen an organization take his
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: seriously the idea of biblical discipleship and Biblical knowledge and
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: biblical education to the people that they're serving the way
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: the Bible League does I just haven't. I haven't seen
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: it with my own eyes. So as far as I'm concerned, Michael,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: you guys are the biggest and the best. You've been
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: doing it for eighty nine years, and I think that
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: that consistency, that testimony means something and I want people
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: to understand. To me, that's the credibility. That's the real
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: When you do something for eighty nine years, faithfully, year
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: after year and without fail you see God bless it
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: and you see Him bring more people to himself because
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: of it. That's a sign that this group is doing
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: what God intends for them to do. To my point,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: people are spread out across the world and they all
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: really do literally have different reasons why they can't get
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: a Bible, but they all desperately want one.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: Well, I'm thankful for people like Robert of Thornwood, New York,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 7: said Michael Kevin. I'm in a three hundred dollars gift
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: to take care of sixty waiting believers today, and that's
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: how we get it done again. We're just north of
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: five hundred, wanting to close in on a thousand as
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 7: quickly as we can. We've set a goal to do
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: this for just north of ten thousand believers that we
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 7: know by name it bibly. Kevin, I remember talking offline
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: about a year ago with one of your listeners. I
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: had some downtime. I called to say, Gail No, I
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: think she was listening in New Jersey. I said, Gail,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 7: why'd you give?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: Right? It was tax.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 7: Season people that you had to extend, file for extensions.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 7: You know, gas prices were starting to rise, all those things, right,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: I said, Gail, why' you give? She said? Michael had
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 7: occurred to me in my husband as we were listening
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 7: to you and Kevin. I mean, what if we were
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: the ones in those stories, you know, as new believers,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: you know, leaving whatever is and it was right, wanting
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 7: to grow in grace? She said, You know, we would
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: pray that someone, anyone would bring us a Bible. So
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: I love that perspective. I love people like Robert saying, look,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: here's three hundred dollars to take care of sixty waiting
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: believers today and again that miracle multiplier of twelve per
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 7: bible means what about some you know, just north of
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 7: seven hundred people impacted with Robert's gifts again, be a
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: part of this today again. You know, if you love
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: your Bible. If God has used his word to grow you,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 7: simply give that privilege to others today and Kevin, today's
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 7: an opportunity for me to come and let you know
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 7: your prayers are being answered. We all pray the Gospel
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 7: would take grip all over the world. That's happening in
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 7: places even like the Philippines. Just outside of Manila. If
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: anybody knows about ministry in the country of the Philippines,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 7: in the region of Manila, there is this horrific trash
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 7: mountain they call it. Families live here. There's hypodermic needles.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 7: Kids are rummaging through this place. They found corpses. I mean,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 7: it's an absolute full place. Just outside of Manila, the Philippines.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 7: A woman by the name of Betty was part of
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 7: a prostitution ring. There was forced into human trafficking by
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 7: the drug cartel. Kevin, for lack of a better word,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: she was pimped about ten times a day. Multiply that
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 7: by five years. You talk about utter hopelessness. There was
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 7: a time when Betty, as a drug addict and as
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: a prostitute again forced into human trafficking by the cartel.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 7: Utter prayer to God. She said, God, if you're there,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 7: rescue me from my utter hopelessness. In fact, there is
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 7: a psalm that says, Lord, I'm in utter hopelessness, rescue me. Right,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 7: That was the prayer of Betty. Betty was introduced to
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 7: the hope of the Gospel. There was a Bible League
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 7: volunteer ministering right near that trash mountain. So thankful that
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 7: the Bible he has connections there. Betty became a believer,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 7: was on fire for Jesus, trained to share Christ with others. Kevin,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 7: she has this incredible burden to reach women that have
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: been rescued from the groups of human trafficking. About one
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: hundred of those women are now believers. They've come together
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: to actually sing this audio clip. I know the quality
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: is not quite what it could be, but Kevin, these
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: are one hundred women rescued from the grips of human trafficking,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: all members of our spiritual family, singing joyously about the Lord.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Gods at work.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 7: The Milla, Manila, the Philippines, just outside of that. My
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 7: colleague Romi was there. He's the one that collected that clip,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: he said, Michael, I was there when I heard Betty
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: read her very first scripture.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Friends, that's what you initiate. It's like the first domino
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: of a very long line. When you give the Bible,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: it pushes the first domino and it starts the entire
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: relay process that goes from there. But it doesn't happen
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: if we don't give that first Bible. So please call
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: one eight hundred yes word one eight hundred y E
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• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Here he is from New York.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 10: Exact Kevin McCullough.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Welcome back, Kevin mccallaugh. Glad to have you with us.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: It's that Kevin Show. Michael Woolworth is back with me
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: from the Bible League, and we're talking about putting Bibles
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: into the hands of people who are spiritually hungry. And
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: there's more of a hunger I sense now than there
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: has been in quite some time, because we're seeing that
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: play out in the first world as well, where you
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: have age groups of people that are getting hungry for
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: spiritual truth in ways they haven't been before. But Michael,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: in the Third World and a lot of the places
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: where Bible League ministers, that hunger has been there for years.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 7: Well, it has been and certainly that's the case in Indonesia.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 7: As I take you to that Southeast Asian country, Kevin,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 7: let me say thanks to Walter if A Hawthor in
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 7: New Jersey. He said, Michael Kevin, I'm in a one
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: hundred dollars tax deductible gift for twenty Bibles. Today, Marian
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 7: of the Bronx said, I want to be a part
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: of this. Count me in to take care of ten
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 7: waiting believers today. And again, I know as you hear
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 7: these stories, it's tempting to say, Okay, my five dollars gift,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 7: does it make a big difference in this great, big world.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 7: And again, I'm going to tell you the story of
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: one hundred and twenty former witch doctors here in a
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: moment in Papua Indonesia that said yes to the Lord.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 7: They've been busy about the gospel. But again, take the
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 7: empathy that you feel. It's easy to feel empathy for
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 7: people like Betty and those one hundred women rescued from
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: groups of human trafficking there in the Philippines.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: But take that empathy a step.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 7: Further help us reach this goal. We want to do
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: it for just north of ten thousand waiting believers again
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 7: that we know by name at Biblele Kevin, it was
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 7: a couple of years ago I went to Indonesia. We
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: invited you on that trip. You probably recall this. You
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: politely declined the timing wasn't right. But I ended up
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: taking five of your Salem colleagues with me to the
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: country of Indonesia. This is the largest Muslim majority country
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: in the world. As we were around big cities like
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 7: Jakarta on Java Island, we certainly saw evidence of that,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 7: lots of mosques and minaret. We were not permitted to go.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 7: Our visitor not permitt us to go to to Papua Indonesia.
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  Speaker 7: That's the western side of that right. The other side
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  Speaker 7: would be Papua and New Guinea. But we did have
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  Speaker 7: a pastor that came to us, a man by the
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  Speaker 7: name of Tandy, small in stature, but Kevin, did this
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  Speaker 7: seventy five year old pastor have a heart? And my goodness,
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  Speaker 7: did he have a story to tell From Indonesia.
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  Speaker 16: I met this witch doctor. He was called Philip. He
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  Speaker 16: was teacher of the doctors, witch doctors because he was
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  Speaker 16: the one who trained many to do the same in
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  Speaker 16: killing people. So people in that village are really afraid
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  Speaker 16: of this kind of people. So I when I went
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  Speaker 16: there in that village, I invited these people to pray
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  Speaker 16: for these witch doctors because I believe that only Jesus
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  Speaker 16: can transform their life. Praise the Lord that in that
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  Speaker 16: night when I conducted the crusade, these people came also.
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  Speaker 16: So I preached the world of God, and at the end,
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  Speaker 16: I invited these people to come to receive Christ. So
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  Speaker 16: these people about one hundred and twenty maybe they came forward.
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  Speaker 16: They kneel down, and then they want to receive Christ.
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  Speaker 16: Then later on I went to Philip's house to I
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  Speaker 16: teach him more about Christ than after several months, I
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  Speaker 16: baptize him. So now, praise the Lord God has been
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  Speaker 16: using him. Every day he and his wife pray for
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  Speaker 16: his people, and he really loved God. When people get sick,
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  Speaker 16: they call him to pray for them. So before when
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  Speaker 16: people want to kill people, they invite him, but now
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  Speaker 16: when they want to get healed, they invite him to
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  Speaker 16: pray for them. So I believe this is the work
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  Speaker 16: of Holy Spirit that transformed people's life.
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  Speaker 7: Like Philip, yeah, we don't take any credit for the
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  Speaker 7: transformation that's taking right it's scripture rooted joy. What happens
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  Speaker 7: the scripture takes it's rude in somebody's life, Their life
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  Speaker 7: has forever changed, Kevin, and the joy follows right mean
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  Speaker 7: listen in case the traffic was whizzing by. That man
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  Speaker 7: is Tany a colleague of mine with Bible League in Indonesia,
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  Speaker 7: And we couldn't go to him and Papua Indonesia. So
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  Speaker 7: he came to us in the capital city of Jakarta,
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  Speaker 7: telling the story of these one hundred and twenty witch doctors.
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  Speaker 7: Pastor Tani had befriended sort of the main witch doctor,
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  Speaker 7: a man by the name of Philip Right, and he
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  Speaker 7: invited this man to come to an evangelistic meeting on
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  Speaker 7: a Saturday night. He thought, okay, the man, maybe his
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  Speaker 7: wife will show up, Kevin, one hundred and twenty apprentices,
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  Speaker 7: men and women learning the art of witchcraft, if you will,
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  Speaker 7: showed up, and having heard the Gospel plainly preached, they
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  Speaker 7: all bowed the knee. They said, we want this Jesus.
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  Speaker 7: And I can tell you they've all been discipled in
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  Speaker 7: the faith, and they've gone on to lead three hundred
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  Speaker 7: people to Christ. That circle of one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 7: have gone on to lead three hundred to Christ. And
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  Speaker 7: again we often talk about this multiply. It's not just
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  Speaker 7: a Bible, but again it's the multiplication that happens when
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  Speaker 7: people on fire for Jesus having left. Talk about spiritual darkness, right,
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  Speaker 7: I mean Kevin, I think of Revelation thirteen where it says,
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  Speaker 7: you know, the kingdoms of this world, whatever form they take,
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  Speaker 7: are what becoming the kingdom of our Lord, right, And
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  Speaker 7: that's what's happening in places like Papua, Indonesia, even though
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  Speaker 7: these believers are half a world away. We're simply praying,
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  Speaker 7: would you get involved with this today? There's three hundred
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  Speaker 7: Bibles needed. These former witch doctors have become evangelists in
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  Speaker 7: their own right, and they have seen again three hundred
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  Speaker 7: people say yes to Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: Which I find incredible because the three hundred people that
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  Speaker 2: they've led to Jesus didn't have Bibles yet. Can you
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  Speaker 2: imagine if those believers had it Bibles in their hands
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  Speaker 2: and they were able actually to do what you can
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  Speaker 2: when you have the Word of God with you. But
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  Speaker 2: they're so enthusiastic that they've nearly tripled the number of
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  Speaker 2: people that came to faith there and they're still asking,
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  Speaker 2: can you send us three hundred bibles. We want to
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  Speaker 2: do more. We have more people to reach, There are
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  Speaker 2: more people that need Jesus, and those three hundred Bibles
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  Speaker 2: are going to make that difference, and they're also going
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  Speaker 2: to disciple the three hundred new believers that need them.
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  Speaker 2: So friends, it's it's just incumbent upon us that know
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  Speaker 2: the importance of scripture, that know the life giving nature
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  Speaker 2: that scripture is. Three hundred bibles is the need three
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  Speaker 2: hundred disciples learning the scriptures, three hundred believers becoming evangelists
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  Speaker 2: themselves and telling others about who Jesus is. We need
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  Speaker 2: your help one eight hundred yes word one eight hundred
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  Speaker 3: W r D.
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  Speaker 2: Or go to that kevinshow dot com click the Bible
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  Speaker 2: Bible League banner at the top of the page at
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  Speaker 2: kevinshow dot com or call that number one eight hundred
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  Speaker 2: y E s w r D. And if the miracle
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  Speaker 2: multiplier is in effect that the same has been since
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  Speaker 2: you know, eighty nine years ago when Bible League started.
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  Speaker 2: It's about a thousand people they're going to come to
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  Speaker 2: faith in Jesus because of that. So we need we
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  Speaker 2: need your help, and we need you to act quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Yes word one eight hundred y e s. W Orr
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  Speaker 2: d 'or go to that kevinshow dot com, That kevinshow
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  Speaker 2: dot com and there's a Bible League banner at the
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  Speaker 2: top of the page. Just press that and make your
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  Speaker 1: Let's stick around for more of that Kevin.
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  Speaker 10: Next serving it up with a no drink mint.
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  Speaker 1: It's that Kenvin Show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back, Kevin mccallaugh. Glad to have you with us.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about getting Bibles to those who need them
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  Speaker 2: all over the world, Michael Woolworth, and we mean it
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  Speaker 2: like every corner of the globe.
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  Speaker 7: Well, that's where God has called us to serve at
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  Speaker 7: Biblely nearly ninety years young, if you will. And again
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  Speaker 7: you mentioned some of the numbers earlier. I'm a little
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  Speaker 7: hesitant to do that. I think our eyes gloss over.
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  Speaker 7: But the bottom line is this. We all pray that
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  Speaker 7: the Gospel would take grip all over the world, even
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  Speaker 7: in places like the Middle East. Right, And we're here
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  Speaker 7: to tell you what. We're taking just a little bit
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  Speaker 7: of a break from the daily headlines to remind you
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  Speaker 7: that God truly is at work, and again that's happening
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  Speaker 7: all over the world. I want to end our time
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  Speaker 7: together in the Middle East, Kevin. I've said this before.
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  Speaker 7: I don't come as I'm not a geopolitical scientist. I
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  Speaker 7: don't study all the dynamics that define places like the
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  Speaker 7: Middle East. That's known what millennia of what conflict, pain,
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  Speaker 7: suffering and loss. But as we see the hope of
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  Speaker 7: the Gospel applied to lives there again we see people
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  Speaker 7: totally transformed. And that's true in the life of a
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  Speaker 7: woman by the name of Nora. What's her story, Well,
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  Speaker 7: it was just about a year ago her husband was
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  Speaker 7: ordered by radicals in that part of the world, leaving
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 7: her a widow with four young daughters. It wasn't too
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  Speaker 7: long ago another group of radicals showed up, Kevin. They
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  Speaker 7: destroyed her home, everything that she had lost in that fire.
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  Speaker 7: Her youngest daughter, about four years of age, maimed for life,
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  Speaker 7: with very serious burns all over her body. That's the
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  Speaker 7: tragedies that Nora has gone through. Rather than grow bitter
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  Speaker 7: through all of that, this woman, a former Sunni Moslim,
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  Speaker 7: has grown what bold She is trained by Bible League
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  Speaker 7: to share Christ with others. She would gather about fifty
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  Speaker 7: Arabic speaking women week by week to go through this
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  Speaker 7: study from Bible League. You've heard us talk about this.
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  Speaker 7: We call it Project Philip. We're simply putting a name
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  Speaker 7: in a face to really our global strategy, and that
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  Speaker 7: is to what trained people like Nora to invite people
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  Speaker 7: to come learn about Jesus. Often that's one on one
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  Speaker 7: that it becomes a group study, maybe ten twenty thirty
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  Speaker 7: people will gather. And for the case of Norah, she
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  Speaker 7: led about two or three of those studies against all
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  Speaker 7: Arabic speaking women. A lot of those in the same
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  Speaker 7: situation widowed large families.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 7: But I can tell you today, by the grace of
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  Speaker 7: God and through the gumption of this woman Nora, fifty
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  Speaker 7: Arabic speaking women with families, a lot of large families,
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  Speaker 7: about six hundred adults and kids represented there have all
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  Speaker 7: said yes to Jesus and a part of the world
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  Speaker 7: that they will now be defined as what infidels. They've
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  Speaker 7: left the religion that define their lives. They're now followers
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  Speaker 7: of Jesus. But my colleague Nirvana, they're in that part
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  Speaker 7: of the world. Has this to say about women like Nora,
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  Speaker 7: who often looked at as second class citizens. When they
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  Speaker 7: become a believers Kevin, they see they have infinite worth
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  Speaker 7: in the Lord.
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  Speaker 17: Men think women are too marry a young age, and
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  Speaker 17: they are not supposed to get educated or even to
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  Speaker 17: be treated the same level as men. When I see
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  Speaker 17: the ladies that are very happy that they can read
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  Speaker 17: the word of Jesus and write the name of Jesus
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  Speaker 17: for the first time, I saw life of women changed
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  Speaker 17: after they started to read and write, and how they
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  Speaker 17: regained their confidence in themselves, and how they could feel
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  Speaker 17: that they now have value and they can function in
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  Speaker 17: the society. As you said, how they can feel that
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  Speaker 17: they are valuable in God's Also.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to take a measure of human rights
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  Speaker 2: around the globe, and you want to take a measure
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  Speaker 2: of how women are treated around the globe, you will
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  Speaker 2: find that the greater the Biblical literacy of the population,
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  Speaker 2: the more respect the more equality, the more confidence the
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  Speaker 2: culture has in terms of the women that it serves.
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  Speaker 2: And the Bible League is right on the cutting edge
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  Speaker 2: of that. Getting the Bible into the hands of people
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  Speaker 2: that do not believe in eternal things or even in
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  Speaker 2: just things can change when they come into contact with
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  Speaker 2: Jesus's words and Jesus's life and his example, and that's
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  Speaker 2: what nirvana is referring to. There in cultures where honor
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  Speaker 2: killings are common, not uncommon, but common, the Bible can
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  Speaker 2: literally save human lives by the redemption that Jesus brings.
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  Speaker 2: We need your help. One eight hundred yes word, one
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  Speaker 2: eight hundred y e s word. I'll go to that
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