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- 0:05Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
- 0:10Speaker 1: My name is Bobani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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- 0:22Speaker 1: a hater. We're going to talk about the hockey in
- 0:26Speaker 1: a little while.
- 0:29Speaker 2: Hell yeah. You know what I'm saying?
- 0:31Speaker 1: It's a real hacksaw Jim Duggan sort of situation right
- 0:34Speaker 1: now with that. But anyway, we're going to talk about that.
- 0:36Speaker 1: But first, Brian, I can't remember. I think we talked
- 0:40Speaker 1: about this in the last show. I can't remember if
- 0:42Speaker 1: I explicitly made the point, but you know. The NBA's
- 0:44Speaker 1: got this problem, which is we be trying to, and
- 0:47Speaker 1: I know we talked about this, we be trying to
- 0:48Speaker 1: shake off that football Jones.
- 0:50Speaker 3: Yes.
- 0:50Speaker 4: Right.
- 0:51Speaker 1: And then all we typically get was the dog shit
- 0:54Speaker 1: of the NBA all-star game.
- 0:57Speaker 5: Right.
- 0:57Speaker 1: And that just doesn't do enough. And that leads to everybody. Like,
- 1:00Speaker 1: it's just the time to, the NBA is not what
- 1:03Speaker 1: people want at that moment. And so it becomes an
- 1:06Speaker 1: opportunity for people to project all their unhappiness on onto
- 1:09Speaker 1: the NBA for reasons that don't really have that much
- 1:12Speaker 1: to do about the NBA, except the NBA be making
- 1:16Speaker 1: it easy.
- 1:16Speaker 6: Right?
- 1:17Speaker 1: So if there's anything we know about the NBA, you
- 1:20Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong here. I think I've talked
- 1:22Speaker 1: about this before. Also, um, The commissioner of the NBA
- 1:26Speaker 1: is real online. So like y'all get online and start
- 1:30Speaker 1: talking about what kind of things y'all think or something
- 1:32Speaker 1: needs to be changed.
- 1:33Speaker 2: Don't you worry. Adam Silver will hear you.
- 1:36Speaker 3: Right.
- 1:36Speaker 1: That doesn't necessarily mean that there will be changes, but
- 1:39Speaker 1: you get to talk it in your podcast.
- 1:41Speaker 2: Or on threads even perhaps.
- 1:43Speaker 1: And the NBA is going to have some sort of
- 1:45Speaker 1: response or at the very least, they're going to say
- 1:48Speaker 1: something to you. Right.
- 1:49Speaker 3: So you have to imagine that the NBA almost gets
- 1:51Speaker 3: like these briefs of the people's tags. Yes. Whose job
- 1:56Speaker 3: is it? Right.
- 1:56Speaker 2: Who works, who works in the podcast research department?
- 2:01Speaker 3: There's certainly somebody.
- 2:02Speaker 2: Well, you know, Bill Simmons on his show the other day,
- 2:05Speaker 2: he said, dot, dot, dot.
- 2:07Speaker 3: Right.
- 2:07Speaker 1: But anyway, Adam Silver has heard us loud and clear
- 2:11Speaker 1: about the tanking thing. And according to Shams Rania, there
- 2:18Speaker 1: are seven potential anti-tanking rule changes that are on the table.
- 2:23Speaker 1: I am going to read them all off to you
- 2:25Speaker 1: because I want you to see if you get the
- 2:26Speaker 1: same conclusion that I have received after reading the seven.
- 2:30Speaker 1: First one is that first round picks can be protected
- 2:34Speaker 1: only top four or top 14 plus. So for those
- 2:39Speaker 1: of you who don't understand what this is about, and
- 2:41Speaker 1: by those of you I'm referring to my mother, um,
- 2:45Speaker 1: You can trade first round picks in the NBA with caveats.
- 2:50Speaker 1: It's a 2027 first round pick. If that pick is
- 2:56Speaker 1: in the top eight, the team trading the pick away.
- 3:01Speaker 2: Gets to keep it.
- 3:02Speaker 1: But if it's outside the top eight, then the pick
- 3:05Speaker 1: has to be traded. And if it's not like the
- 3:09Speaker 1: top eight, then there's a second round pick next year
- 3:13Speaker 1: that conveys in order to make the trade work. It's
- 3:16Speaker 1: a way to kind of like minimize the risk of
- 3:19Speaker 1: trading away a first round pick and give picks kind
- 3:21Speaker 1: of a sliding value because of the way the NBA
- 3:24Speaker 1: salary cap works. Picks are very important currency in order
- 3:29Speaker 1: to make trades work. The nature of what it means
- 3:32Speaker 1: when you trade away a star player, you're in effect
- 3:34Speaker 1: starting over. So you want like, more opportunities to help
- 3:38Speaker 1: you with the rebuild, right? More supplies. It's like a
- 3:41Speaker 1: gift card to Home Depot. You understand what I'm saying?
- 3:44Speaker 1: But it can't just be a blank check to Home Depot.
- 3:48Speaker 3: Okay.
- 3:49Speaker 1: Number two, lottery odds freeze at the trade deadline or
- 3:53Speaker 1: a later date. Ryan, I understand why people think that
- 3:56Speaker 1: this is a good idea. This is a horrendous idea.
- 3:58Speaker 3: It's a horrendous idea.
- 4:00Speaker 7: Right, right.
- 4:00Speaker 1: You're just changing what it is that people are going
- 4:02Speaker 1: to be throwing games.
- 4:03Speaker 3: Yeah, like I... We don't, like, the idea that people
- 4:07Speaker 3: tanking during football season when no one's watching. Yes. The
- 4:11Speaker 3: idea that that's better makes no sense.
- 4:12Speaker 1: If you put this provision in, Laurie Marketing would not
- 4:15Speaker 1: have played a game until, like, now.
- 4:18Speaker 3: Yeah. Right?
- 4:19Speaker 2: Like, no, no, no, no, no. This is a horrendous idea.
- 4:21Speaker 1: Number three, no longer allowing a team to pick top
- 4:23Speaker 1: four in consecutive years and or consecutive bottom three finishes.
- 4:29Speaker 2: I am okay with this idea, right?
- 4:32Speaker 1: Right. First of all, we have to stop pretending as
- 4:34Speaker 1: though the purpose of the draft is to redistribute talent.
- 4:37Speaker 1: The purpose of the draft is to keep salaries low
- 4:39Speaker 1: and to maintain control over players with a secondary benefit
- 4:44Speaker 1: being the redistribution of talent. It is not a fundamental
- 4:49Speaker 1: purpose of the draft. It is a secondary notion that
- 4:52Speaker 1: has been added to justify the indefensible practice of having
- 4:56Speaker 1: a draft in the first place.
- 4:58Speaker 2: That's how it works. So anyway, I say all that
- 5:00Speaker 2: to say there is no.
- 5:02Speaker 1: Birthright that says that just because you sorry, you deserve
- 5:05Speaker 1: to get an early pick. A pick that, by the way,
- 5:08Speaker 1: you'd probably fuck up anyway. We might be saving some
- 5:12Speaker 1: kids by doing this actually, right? They getting sent to
- 5:15Speaker 1: the wrong foster homes and they still turn out to be,
- 5:18Speaker 1: you know, you.
- 5:19Speaker 3: Understand what I'm saying.
- 5:20Speaker 1: Anyway, number four, teams can't pick top four the year
- 5:24Speaker 1: after making the conference finals, which feels like a provision
- 5:27Speaker 1: that is specifically geared toward this year's Indiana Pacers. Correct.
- 5:33Speaker 7: Right?
- 5:33Speaker 1: So you had a good player get hurt and it
- 5:36Speaker 1: messes up your whole season.
- 5:38Speaker 2: You're not just going to take this whole thing away.
- 5:40Speaker 1: This would also have applied to the 2020 Golden State Warriors.
- 5:45Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah. Talk about someone who didn't
- 5:49Speaker 3: do anything with those picks either.
- 5:50Speaker 2: That's what I was about to say.
- 5:52Speaker 3: They don't seem to know how to do this either. Yeah.
- 5:54Speaker 1: Number five, lottery odds allocated based on two-year records.
- 6:00Speaker 2: I kind of see what you're saying. I don't think
- 6:02Speaker 2: this will help you.
- 6:02Speaker 3: Sounds complicated. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 6:04Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to help.
- 6:05Speaker 1: Number six, the lottery extended to include all play-in teams.
- 6:11Speaker 8: Okay.
- 6:11Speaker 1: I mean, that's basically saying you're disincentivizing the idea of
- 6:15Speaker 1: trying to tank out of the play-in.
- 6:17Speaker 3: Right.
- 6:18Speaker 2: Okay.
- 6:19Speaker 3: Get that.
- 6:19Speaker 1: And number seven, flatten odds for all lottery teams. This
- 6:23Speaker 1: is what the lottery used to be, right? One envelope,
- 6:27Speaker 1: For every team, pull one out and then you go
- 6:30Speaker 1: from there. And it would always be the Clippers who
- 6:32Speaker 1: were so sorry, but would never get the number one pick,
- 6:35Speaker 1: except the one time they got the number one pick,
- 6:37Speaker 1: they got a dude that was really cold, but couldn't
- 6:39Speaker 1: stay healthy, who they eventually traded for Dominique Wilkins.
- 6:44Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 6:46Speaker 2: Anyway, the idea behind flattening the.
- 6:48Speaker 1: Odds on the lottery is it disincentivizes tanking because there's
- 6:52Speaker 1: no reason for you to be abject.
- 6:54Speaker 2: If you're in the lottery, you are then just in
- 6:57Speaker 2: the lottery. I mean, I can.
- 7:00Speaker 3: Live with that.
- 7:01Speaker 1: Like I say, it was a world that was like that.
- 7:04Speaker 1: The NBA, though, is notoriously reactive. Like, I don't know
- 7:07Speaker 1: if you remember this one, Ryan. So in 92, the
- 7:10Speaker 1: Magic won the lottery.
- 7:11Speaker 2: They draft the Shaq.
- 7:13Speaker 1: The next year, they were the number nine seed in
- 7:17Speaker 1: the East. The way the lottery worked at that time
- 7:22Speaker 1: was a pyramid. The worst team, I think, got 15
- 7:25Speaker 1: ping pong balls, next 14, 13, 12, 11.
- 7:29Speaker 2: All the way down.
- 7:30Speaker 1: As I recall, there were 66 ping pong balls in there.
- 7:33Speaker 1: The Magic had one out of the 66 ping pong balls.
- 7:36Speaker 1: The Magic won the lottery. Meaning that Shaquille O'Neal got
- 7:41Speaker 1: to be paired with Penny Hart the way it turned out.
- 7:44Speaker 3: Yeah. They immediately changed the lottery.
- 7:47Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 7:47Speaker 8: Right?
- 7:48Speaker 1: Like, this is what they're good for. An outlier result happens.
- 7:51Speaker 1: And all these sports are like this.
- 7:52Speaker 2: An outlier result happens, and now suddenly the BCS.
- 7:55Speaker 1: Was notorious for operating like this, right? Something weird happens,
- 8:00Speaker 1: and you never give the system a chance.
- 8:01Speaker 3: Then the formula changes, or one pole's thrown out all
- 8:04Speaker 3: the time, right? Yes, yes.
- 8:06Speaker 2: I ran all seven of those things off just to
- 8:09Speaker 2: make this point. They don't know what to do. They're
- 8:14Speaker 2: just like, who's got ideas? Just throw stuff out here.
- 8:20Speaker 1: We'll see if we can come up with something because
- 8:22Speaker 1: we have this problem with tanking. And tanking is a
- 8:27Speaker 1: reflection of what I believe is a larger problem. And
- 8:32Speaker 1: maybe I'm overestimating or under... I'm estimating in the wrong way.
- 8:38Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure how to express it, but this
- 8:40Speaker 1: is what I'm saying here. I think there's a larger problem,
- 8:45Speaker 1: but even if the larger problem is corrected to a degree,
- 8:49Speaker 1: perhaps tanking still exists. Now, what I am going to
- 8:53Speaker 1: say is the larger problem. And I think is like
- 8:57Speaker 1: tanking is a great.
- 8:58Speaker 2: Talk show topic.
- 9:00Speaker 1: I also think that tanking matters on the level that
- 9:02Speaker 1: we don't talk enough about, which is you still charge
- 9:05Speaker 1: people money to come.
- 9:06Speaker 2: Watch these games.
- 9:09Speaker 1: You have an obligation to offer something to your paying customers.
- 9:15Speaker 1: And like Mark Cuban had a thing where he talked
- 9:17Speaker 1: about your fans will understand that you're trying to lose. No,
- 9:21Speaker 1: I think that that's a very particular strain of online,
- 9:25Speaker 1: I want to be the GM fans that really appreciate it.
- 9:29Speaker 1: I think that people ultimately understand it. But if you
- 9:33Speaker 1: want me to pay money to come to your arena,
- 9:36Speaker 1: And I would like I think people would like to
- 9:38Speaker 1: pay money to come to your arena.
- 9:40Speaker 2: You can't just be out here like we give up.
- 9:42Speaker 2: We don't care.
- 9:42Speaker 5: Right.
- 9:43Speaker 2: But I think the league has a larger problem.
- 9:47Speaker 1: And that is the perception that the regular season doesn't matter.
- 9:51Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.
- 9:53Speaker 1: It's a perception that it doesn't matter.
- 9:55Speaker 2: If you're good.
- 9:56Speaker 3: It's a perception.
- 9:57Speaker 1: That it doesn't matter if you're bad. That it simply
- 10:01Speaker 1: does not matter. That's the part the league has to fix.
- 10:09Speaker 1: And how the league got here to me is really,
- 10:13Speaker 1: really interesting. Because 10 years ago, the regular season Really,
- 10:19Speaker 1: really mattered. And 15 years ago, old buddy, did the
- 10:24Speaker 1: regular season ever matter? Look, I know we're at a
- 10:28Speaker 1: point where I ain't got that many people who won't
- 10:31Speaker 1: be able to say that they remember this, but the
- 10:35Speaker 1: LeBron Miami Heat, four years, every game they played mattered.
- 10:45Speaker 1: We were doing A1s on television shows basically every time
- 10:50Speaker 1: the Heat played, unless it was a football game that
- 10:54Speaker 1: same day.
- 10:55Speaker 3: Every game was a referendum of that team, the team
- 10:59Speaker 3: decision they all made. Yes. LeBron's legacy. What LeBron's going
- 11:04Speaker 3: to do next. Yeah.
- 11:05Speaker 1: For four years, every single game mattered. And then when
- 11:13Speaker 1: that was over, we wound up with this weird thing
- 11:16Speaker 1: after that was over. LeBron leaves and goes to Cleveland,
- 11:20Speaker 1: and we think that's going to be the story because
- 11:22Speaker 1: we've got LeBron, we got Kyrie, they got Kevin Love, right?
- 11:27Speaker 1: That was going to be the story. And then the
- 11:29Speaker 1: Warriors happened. And then the Warriors had that year. They
- 11:32Speaker 1: came out of nowhere. I mean, keep it in mind,
- 11:34Speaker 1: they fired a coach who brought them back to relevance.
- 11:37Speaker 1: That seemed like Joe Lacob, you know, I don't think
- 11:41Speaker 1: I've said it out loud, but, you know, I wondered.
- 11:45Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
- 11:46Speaker 3: You considered?
- 11:47Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
- 11:49Speaker 1: It was a hypothesis worth testing. And then they won
- 11:54Speaker 1: 67 games. And it was like, oh, my bad. I
- 11:59Speaker 1: didn't understand what it was. But the next year they
- 12:02Speaker 1: won 73. The regular season really mattered. Them winning 73
- 12:07Speaker 1: games mattered enough that Kobe's last game was on ESPN2.
- 12:13Speaker 1: And the Warriors trying to break the Bulls record was
- 12:15Speaker 1: on ESPN. And then the combination of them losing in
- 12:20Speaker 1: the finals to the Cavs, plus them signing Kevin Durant
- 12:23Speaker 1: immediately after, and the regular season has not mattered since.
- 12:27Speaker 3: Right?
- 12:28Speaker 1: Like, what would the Warriors record had to have been
- 12:31Speaker 1: in 2017? for people to really think they weren't going
- 12:35Speaker 1: to win a championship. I mean, I was on some, hey, man,
- 12:37Speaker 1: you never know, right? Nah, man, nobody else was going
- 12:41Speaker 1: for that. No one else gave that the credulity, I
- 12:45Speaker 1: believe that is the word, that I gave that.
- 12:47Speaker 3: It's not even that they were just good. They were good,
- 12:50Speaker 3: and they were historically good off the jump, and they
- 12:54Speaker 3: were still good at defense, too.
- 12:56Speaker 2: Yeah, you just couldn't talk yourself out of it.
- 12:59Speaker 1: It was just really difficult to talk yourself into thinking
- 13:01Speaker 1: anything that happened mattered in terms of determining who the
- 13:05Speaker 1: champion was going to be. And it happened in a
- 13:09Speaker 1: manner that people found to be somewhat distasteful. Like nobody
- 13:13Speaker 1: did anything wrong there. What was Kevin Durant supposed to say?
- 13:16Speaker 2: No, man, ain't too good. Why would I do that?
- 13:18Speaker 2: What were the Warriors supposed to say?
- 13:19Speaker 3: I'm going to sit here and hang out with a
- 13:22Speaker 3: triple-double-cone cane bear. Yes, yes.
- 13:24Speaker 5: Right.
- 13:25Speaker 2: What were the Warriors supposed to say?
- 13:26Speaker 3: Hold on, man. That won't be fair to the other kids.
- 13:29Speaker 5: Right?
- 13:29Speaker 2: Like, no, no. It was the move, but.
- 13:34Speaker 1: It didn't feel like the regular season mattered that much
- 13:37Speaker 1: when LeBron and Anthony Davis got together. It was somewhat interesting,
- 13:42Speaker 1: like when Chris Paul went to Phoenix and they popped up.
- 13:46Speaker 3: The Brooklyn Nets experience. Yeah. That 2020 year when they
- 13:49Speaker 3: brought Harden in.
- 13:51Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm asking this. What would it take in 2026?
- 13:57Speaker 1: What would have to happen to make NBA regular season like, hey,
- 14:03Speaker 1: this game is happening tonight, and this is the thing?
- 14:09Speaker 2: I don't know. What winning streak would have to happen?
- 14:11Speaker 1: If a team had a 19-game winning streak, Are people
- 14:15Speaker 1: waking up every morning to find out if they won
- 14:18Speaker 1: the game they played the night before?
- 14:19Speaker 2: I don't think they are.
- 14:21Speaker 9: Right.
- 14:21Speaker 1: Like I thought I think about this in the context
- 14:24Speaker 1: of baseball, because this isn't just an NBA problem. This
- 14:26Speaker 1: isn't everybody but the NFL problem.
- 14:28Speaker 3: Right.
- 14:29Speaker 1: And it's been a long time since we've had a
- 14:31Speaker 1: super long hitting streak. How many games of a hitting
- 14:35Speaker 1: streak would somebody have to get to for us to care?
- 14:38Speaker 1: So there are hitting streaks that I can remember in
- 14:40Speaker 1: my lifetime. I don't remember the Pete Rose 44 game
- 14:44Speaker 1: hitting streak, right? But my dad and my brother were
- 14:46Speaker 1: actually at the game. in Atlanta when it ended, right?
- 14:49Speaker 1: But the fact that I can tell you the number
- 14:51Speaker 1: of games and I remember it, that tells you what
- 14:54Speaker 1: the magnitude of that was. I believe in 1987, Benito Santiago.
- 14:59Speaker 2: Had a 34-game hitting streak as a rookie.
- 15:03Speaker 1: And Paul Molitor, it was either 38 or 39.
- 15:06Speaker 2: But I can remember these numbers, right?
- 15:12Speaker 1: Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak was a thing. If somebody
- 15:17Speaker 1: had a 45-game hitting.
- 15:18Speaker 2: Streak, would we care? You know what I mean? Like,
- 15:22Speaker 2: does that break through? If somebody was.
- 15:25Speaker 1: Hitting 390 going into September, does that break through?
- 15:32Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 15:34Speaker 1: Like, I don't know at all what would have to
- 15:35Speaker 1: happen in the NBA. Like, average triple-double-four season, we've seen that.
- 15:41Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
- 15:43Speaker 1: Would somebody have to be like, yo, what if somebody
- 15:45Speaker 1: was averaging 40 points a game?
- 15:47Speaker 2: Does that break through?
- 15:49Speaker 1: I don't know what it is that breaks through, but
- 15:52Speaker 1: that to me is really the larger NBA issue because
- 15:55Speaker 1: as a result, the only NBA thing that.
- 15:59Speaker 2: Matters is tanking.
- 16:03Speaker 5: Right?
- 16:04Speaker 2: Like, look.
- 16:05Speaker 1: We have two really big building rivalries that are going
- 16:09Speaker 1: to matter in the postseason, I believe. In the West,
- 16:11Speaker 1: it's San Antonio and Oklahoma City. And in the East,
- 16:14Speaker 1: it is Detroit and New York, right? Teams that actively
- 16:18Speaker 1: dislike each other and are also, all four, I would argue,
- 16:23Speaker 1: independently compelling.
- 16:25Speaker 3: And strong fan bases who care. Yes, yes.
- 16:31Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the idea of tanking more
- 16:34Speaker 1: than that just because of the declining significance of the
- 16:38Speaker 1: regular season. And I don't have an answer for the
- 16:41Speaker 1: NBA about how exactly you go about getting to the
- 16:44Speaker 1: place of making people care.
- 16:46Speaker 2: You know what?
- 16:47Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm going to throw it out
- 16:49Speaker 1: there like it's a full-on idea per se, but I'm
- 16:51Speaker 1: going to throw it out there.
- 16:52Speaker 2: Now, Ryan, how much do you care about, what do
- 16:57Speaker 2: you call it, NASCAR?
- 16:59Speaker 3: Two out of ten. Okay.
- 17:03Speaker 1: Do you know what they have a tendency to do
- 17:09Speaker 1: periodically when NASCAR interest is low? You know what they
- 17:16Speaker 1: always suggest that people do?
- 17:19Speaker 3: I'm not sure where you're going with this, but let's
- 17:21Speaker 3: find out together.
- 17:23Speaker 2: Bring back fighting. A little bit more paint swapping.
- 17:30Speaker 1: Cats on Victory Lane, Victory Road, whatever they call it,
- 17:35Speaker 1: engaged in this.
- 17:36Speaker 3: NASCAR, underrated fighting sport. Yes, it is.
- 17:38Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
- 17:38Speaker 1: And fighting in a very interesting sense. It's like, you know,
- 17:43Speaker 1: they're coming in, they're like Floyd Mayweather. You know what
- 17:45Speaker 1: I'm saying? Like they're the 147s, right? That's what they
- 17:49Speaker 1: out there doing.
- 17:50Speaker 3: And it is an interesting fight. It's like, you almost
- 17:52Speaker 3: killed me with your car. What's getting in? White fisticuffs. Yes.
- 17:57Speaker 1: Like, did you see that clip we're having a clip
- 18:02Speaker 1: but that Miami Memphis game where Miami's beating the dog
- 18:06Speaker 1: shit out of Memphis and some dude from Miami ran
- 18:10Speaker 1: into Scottie Pippen Jr.
- 18:11Speaker 2: From behind and took him out Scottie Pippen Jr.
- 18:14Speaker 3: It was so.
- 18:15Speaker 1: Funny because he got up and he just kind of
- 18:18Speaker 1: it looked like he just shook it off right like
- 18:21Speaker 1: he got.
- 18:21Speaker 2: Up and was just like and then he went he.
- 18:26Speaker 3: Was ready for the ruckus ready to go.
- 18:28Speaker 1: It felt great It felt great. It was good to
- 18:34Speaker 1: know that somebody was about that action.
- 18:37Speaker 3: Right.
- 18:39Speaker 1: Show me that you care. Isaiah Stewart, I know that
- 18:44Speaker 1: he cares. Fighting in the regular season is how you
- 18:48Speaker 1: show me that you care. That's all we need is
- 18:53Speaker 1: some reason to believe that these games matter, right? rings
- 18:59Speaker 1: culture is a big problem in this also right everybody's
- 19:03Speaker 1: playing everybody's playing for a championship.
- 19:07Speaker 2: And you know i understand right.
- 19:11Speaker 1: Everybody's playing for a championship everybody thinks they could be
- 19:14Speaker 1: a champion most of y'all just need to be out
- 19:16Speaker 1: here for a good time.
- 19:18Speaker 2: That's what we're really here for.
- 19:19Speaker 1: Especially when the checks are so large yeah i'm talking
- 19:23Speaker 1: about like his fans yeah Yeah, we're just here for a.
- 19:25Speaker 2: Good time, man. Make the games matter.
- 19:29Speaker 1: Make this something to stay consistently in our lives. Don't
- 19:33Speaker 1: make the only way that you can enjoy this is
- 19:38Speaker 1: if you start thinking like corporate. Well, if you look
- 19:42Speaker 1: at our projections for what we're going to do in
- 19:44Speaker 1: year 2027, I think we're.
- 19:46Speaker 2: Really on the... No, no, no.
- 19:47Speaker 1: The here and now has to matter. The here and
- 19:50Speaker 1: now has to feel like something here and now has
- 19:51Speaker 1: got to be important and i just wish i had
- 19:54Speaker 1: an answer for you on how to solve that i
- 19:57Speaker 1: don't know what it is i don't know but you
- 19:59Speaker 1: got to have that because otherwise we just gonna be
- 20:01Speaker 1: talking about tanking every year because they always gonna find
- 20:03Speaker 1: a way to tank You know, Ryan, I was in
- 20:13Speaker 1: Canada last weekend during the during the wider Olympics.
- 20:18Speaker 2: And it's very interesting.
- 20:20Speaker 1: Being in a place during the wider Olympics where they
- 20:24Speaker 1: don't call them the wider Olympics up there. They just
- 20:26Speaker 1: call them the Olympics.
- 20:28Speaker 3: Yeah, the Olympics. Yeah.
- 20:29Speaker 2: In Canada, those.
- 20:30Speaker 1: Are the real Olympics, right? That is their time to shine.
- 20:36Speaker 3: What's this track bullshit?
- 20:37Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 20:38Speaker 2: They're like, man, you got us out here rooting for
- 20:39Speaker 2: these Jamaicans. You know what I'm saying? They're like, no,
- 20:42Speaker 2: this is our shit.
- 20:43Speaker 1: They got the, the, the, they, they, they do the hockey.
- 20:46Speaker 1: They got the curling. You know what I'm saying?
- 20:48Speaker 4: They do.
- 20:49Speaker 3: They got the running up skis uphill.
- 20:50Speaker 1: They've got all their things, man. It is their jam.
- 20:54Speaker 1: Like in the elevator, it was a sign. I was like, yo,
- 20:57Speaker 1: this is all the stuff from the Olympics that they're
- 21:00Speaker 1: going to be showing at the bars at different times.
- 21:03Speaker 2: Like, like it was a, it was a thing, man.
- 21:06Speaker 1: Um, And so I am fascinated kind of sort of
- 21:10Speaker 1: by the idea of Team Canada and hockey. I don't
- 21:12Speaker 1: know if fascinated is the right way to put it.
- 21:14Speaker 1: But I think for those of us who are just
- 21:16Speaker 1: kind of aware of hockey, I.
- 21:18Speaker 2: Don't think we I don't think a lot of.
- 21:20Speaker 1: People properly or fully appreciate. Like hockey really is theirs.
- 21:29Speaker 1: The NHL, we can't tell because they just all white
- 21:32Speaker 1: folks to us. So unless you got all the consonants
- 21:35Speaker 1: in your name, we don't really understand that those is
- 21:38Speaker 1: Canadians out there.
- 21:42Speaker 2: That's a league full of Canadians.
- 21:46Speaker 1: As a result, Team Canada in hockey is very similar
- 21:50Speaker 1: to Team USA in basketball.
- 21:53Speaker 2: The difference is in Canada, they actually like the hockey team.
- 21:59Speaker 3: Right.
- 22:00Speaker 1: Like when they win, they celebrate with the same fervor
- 22:04Speaker 1: with which.
- 22:05Speaker 2: They ruminate in the event of a loss.
- 22:08Speaker 3: Right.
- 22:08Speaker 2: It's a it's it's a thing for them.
- 22:11Speaker 1: And so I saw it was played against the United States.
- 22:15Speaker 1: And I'll never forget this because, you know, I used
- 22:16Speaker 1: to do work for a company called The Score. That
- 22:19Speaker 1: was based out of Toronto. It was in 2010. And
- 22:21Speaker 1: that was the year that Vancouver hosted. The open ceremony,
- 22:28Speaker 1: the the the the the wider Olympics. And I remember
- 22:31Speaker 1: watching the closing ceremony and I did not realize like
- 22:35Speaker 1: how much Canada thought about us until I watched those
- 22:39Speaker 1: closing ceremonies. I mean, they really all the jokes were
- 22:42Speaker 1: just kind of about what Americans think of Canada.
- 22:45Speaker 5: Right.
- 22:45Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 22:46Speaker 2: All of that was the case right like there's.
- 22:49Speaker 3: A little bit of alabama auburn to usa canada for
- 22:51Speaker 3: sure yeah yeah or michigan michigan state like something like
- 22:55Speaker 3: that yeah yeah yeah.
- 22:55Speaker 1: They they they give us a lot of thought and
- 22:58Speaker 1: it's nothing personal but we don't you're correct it don't
- 23:03Speaker 1: it don't it don't really come up you know and
- 23:05Speaker 1: part of it is most of them live close to
- 23:07Speaker 1: a border with us and yeah Relatively speaking, we don't. Anyway,
- 23:12Speaker 1: it's a thing for them. But they hockey team, they really, really,
- 23:15Speaker 1: really care about that. And I saw that Sidney Crosby
- 23:17Speaker 1: was not going to be playing, but they had a
- 23:19Speaker 1: whole other team full of Canadians, right?
- 23:21Speaker 2: So they probably should have been okay.
- 23:23Speaker 1: And another factor that's very important is that it's just
- 23:26Speaker 1: the fact that they think about us.
- 23:28Speaker 2: They're not really fucking with us right now.
- 23:30Speaker 3: No.
- 23:31Speaker 2: They're not.
- 23:32Speaker 3: No, they do not.
- 23:33Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
- 23:33Speaker 1: The whole Trump thing and tariff thing and all kinds
- 23:37Speaker 1: of other stuff. Like, I didn't feel no glares or
- 23:40Speaker 1: nothing like that when I was up there in Canada.
- 23:42Speaker 2: But let's be honest. They know it ain't my fault. Like,
- 23:44Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 23:47Speaker 3: They all some enemy of my enemy type situation with me.
- 23:50Speaker 2: At least that's the presumption that they making. I don't know.
- 23:53Speaker 1: I don't know how they was treating the other, the
- 23:55Speaker 1: American whites.
- 23:56Speaker 2: For me, they probably looking at me like, sup, brother bad.
- 23:59Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like, they see what time
- 24:02Speaker 2: it is.
- 24:03Speaker 1: But anyway, I guarantee you they were unhappy that the
- 24:06Speaker 1: USA brought home that gold.
- 24:10Speaker 3: In that hockey match.
- 24:11Speaker 2: I ain't even looked.
- 24:12Speaker 1: I can just promise you there are none to please
- 24:15Speaker 1: up there in Canada about that. But it wasn't off
- 24:19Speaker 1: of an odd man rush.
- 24:21Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so the overtime specifically is three on three.
- 24:25Speaker 3: So it's just like.
- 24:26Speaker 2: Which is incredible, by the way.
- 24:28Speaker 3: Yes, it's incredible. It's fast paced. It's really opened up.
- 24:31Speaker 3: And it was a classic, you know, like a hockey
- 24:33Speaker 3: soccer match where the real nerd stats really favored Canada,
- 24:37Speaker 3: like expected goals and all that stuff.
- 24:39Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 24:40Speaker 3: But, you know, us gritty Americans just found a way
- 24:42Speaker 3: to pull off a victory on a counterattack and ended
- 24:45Speaker 3: up winning the gold 2-1 first gold in 46 years.
- 24:49Speaker 2: And didn't they have a five-on-three penalty kill?
- 24:52Speaker 5: Yes.
- 24:53Speaker 2: Against team Canada.
- 24:54Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 24:55Speaker 3: Again, they supposed.
- 24:57Speaker 2: To win every year.
- 25:00Speaker 3: Right.
- 25:00Speaker 2: That's how this goes. America's first goal since 1946. Is
- 25:06Speaker 2: that mean they stopped- It was in 1980, 46 years ago.
- 25:08Speaker 3: Yeah, 46 years ago.
- 25:09Speaker 2: Sorry.
- 25:10Speaker 1: It was 1980. And my question is, does that mean
- 25:12Speaker 1: that we can stop talking about that?
- 25:15Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I don't- Not to be dark, but-
- 25:21Speaker 3: Probably until someone very prominent in our industry.
- 25:24Speaker 2: Fair, fair, fair, fair.
- 25:26Speaker 1: The thing about the thing about the miracle on ice
- 25:28Speaker 1: is it's very difficult without the cold war, like being
- 25:32Speaker 1: present to explain like the U S Soviet union.
- 25:36Speaker 2: I mean, that really was Auburn, Alabama every day.
- 25:40Speaker 7: Yes.
- 25:40Speaker 1: For decades between two countries for 45 years.
- 25:44Speaker 2: We have with really big.
- 25:45Speaker 3: Bombs, right?
- 25:46Speaker 2: It was every day.
- 25:47Speaker 1: And they had like a team full of grownups, you know,
- 25:50Speaker 1: like they went, Here's something America doesn't really get the opportunity.
- 25:55Speaker 2: To be very often.
- 25:56Speaker 3: The underdogs. Underdogs.
- 26:00Speaker 5: Right?
- 26:00Speaker 1: We are giving points in just about every situation. Hockey
- 26:07Speaker 1: is a rare place, athletically, where America really is the
- 26:11Speaker 1: underdog in such a way where as long as they
- 26:14Speaker 1: don't tear up the hotel, Even our professionals, all they
- 26:18Speaker 1: got to do is really go out there and give it.
- 26:20Speaker 2: The old college try, and we'll be happy with it.
- 26:23Speaker 3: And when they win, it's always.
- 26:26Speaker 2: Emotional, right?
- 26:27Speaker 8: Right.
- 26:28Speaker 1: And any time we win, it winds up being an
- 26:31Speaker 1: emotional situation because, once again, this ain't really what we do.
- 26:37Speaker 3: No.
- 26:38Speaker 2: It ain't it, right?
- 26:39Speaker 1: And then we had the, what was my man's name?
- 26:42Speaker 1: Was it Johnny Gaudreau? yes right so if you hadn't
- 26:45Speaker 1: seen this a couple years ago hockey player he would
- 26:47Speaker 1: have been on this olympic team was cycling with his
- 26:51Speaker 1: brother got killed by a drunk driver and so his
- 26:54Speaker 1: kids are there for the game and they got his
- 26:56Speaker 1: jersey and they take the picture with it and everything
- 26:58Speaker 1: like that like if america's gonna win the gold in
- 27:01Speaker 1: hockey we gonna have.
- 27:02Speaker 4: A great story yeah great story around it right The
- 27:08Speaker 4: American soccer team is interesting because they done got to
- 27:12Speaker 4: the point.
- 27:12Speaker 2: You know what?
- 27:13Speaker 1: Here's how I say American hockey is right in the
- 27:15Speaker 1: sweet spot. They're good enough where you got a chance,
- 27:20Speaker 1: but not quite good enough that they're really going to
- 27:23Speaker 1: disappoint you.
- 27:24Speaker 3: Correct. It would have been a bummer, but it would
- 27:27Speaker 3: not have been a disappointing result like you as a basketball.
- 27:31Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they rarely just go flat out
- 27:35Speaker 2: like shit to bed.
- 27:36Speaker 3: They're at the loser country that most people hadn't heard of. Yes, yes.
- 27:39Speaker 2: But if they don't win, it's okay. It kind of goes.
- 27:43Speaker 1: USA Soccer, they still ain't, like, they ain't got good
- 27:48Speaker 1: enough to where you could just, like, they are at the,
- 27:52Speaker 1: come on, guys.
- 27:53Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, what's the excuse here? They're at the point
- 27:57Speaker 3: now where they get, like, crap for not being like
- 28:01Speaker 3: American gritty hustle people enough.
- 28:03Speaker 2: Yes, and people want it really bad.
- 28:05Speaker 1: Like with the hockey team, you really only think about
- 28:07Speaker 1: it when the Olympics come up or whatever world championship
- 28:10Speaker 1: they might have. People think about that American soccer team
- 28:13Speaker 1: all year long. And they're tired of waiting.
- 28:18Speaker 4: Yes.
- 28:19Speaker 1: We will be waiting for a very, very, very long time.
- 28:23Speaker 1: Now look, man, we got to recognize both of these sports, man.
- 28:25Speaker 1: We both know that America ain't serious about neither one
- 28:28Speaker 1: of them. Because if they were, you know what America
- 28:31Speaker 1: does when it's serious about winning at something. It'd take
- 28:34Speaker 1: them a long time to get there.
- 28:36Speaker 2: But when America's serious about winning, they go get black people.
- 28:40Speaker 2: That's what they do.
- 28:42Speaker 1: If they were serious about any of these sports in
- 28:44Speaker 1: the White Olympics, it would be a lot more black
- 28:46Speaker 1: people out there. It'd be a whole lot more programs
- 28:49Speaker 1: saving kids from gangs and shit by having them out there.
- 28:51Speaker 1: Like Chicago, Chicago would just be, they had the one brother,
- 28:54Speaker 1: Shani Davis, a few years ago. but it would just
- 28:57Speaker 1: be a whole bunch of brothers out here speed skating.
- 29:00Speaker 1: White people already think we fastening them, but somehow would
- 29:03Speaker 1: you think that changes because it skates?
- 29:05Speaker 2: No, no, no. Y'all just ain't serious. Y'all ain't really
- 29:07Speaker 2: trying to win.
- 29:08Speaker 1: I'm not saying that winning means having a bunch of
- 29:10Speaker 1: black people, but I do know when y'all serious about winning,
- 29:14Speaker 1: y'all going to give us a chance.
- 29:16Speaker 2: That's what y'all going to do.
- 29:17Speaker 1: Same way with the soccer team. Y'all ain't really serious
- 29:20Speaker 1: about winning. You would simply like to win and that's fine, right?
- 29:26Speaker 2: We get it.
- 29:28Speaker 1: For the soccer team, they need to be a little
- 29:30Speaker 1: more serious. For the hockey team, perfect level of seriousness, right?
- 29:35Speaker 1: Just a nice baseline level of seriousness that allows us
- 29:39Speaker 1: to appreciate the good and take the bad in stride.
- 29:42Speaker 1: America's relationship with USA Hockey, the healthiest relationship in sports.
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- 32:33Speaker 8: Now, if you haven't heard.
- 32:36Speaker 3: All right, Bo, if you haven't heard, Floyd Mayweather coming
- 32:39Speaker 3: back into the league. He is going to be fighting
- 32:41Speaker 3: Tyson and an exhibition fight on Netflix. And then he is,
- 32:45Speaker 3: according to the break news, on retiring to get back
- 32:49Speaker 3: into the boxing game. What did you make of this news?
- 32:51Speaker 1: First of all, there's no way you're getting me to
- 32:53Speaker 1: watch Mike Tyson and Floyd Mayweather in an exhibition.
- 32:56Speaker 2: Like, that just doesn't even make any sense.
- 32:59Speaker 1: Right? Like, Jake Paul, I was really hoping Mike, like,
- 33:06Speaker 1: Not in an illegal way, but, you know, if Jake
- 33:12Speaker 1: Paul would have died, I'm sure someone would have been sad.
- 33:20Speaker 2: Anyway, I know Mike can't do that to Floyd Mayweather, right?
- 33:25Speaker 3: Of course.
- 33:26Speaker 2: Like, I'm fully aware that he can't do that to
- 33:28Speaker 2: Floyd Mayweather.
- 33:29Speaker 1: I don't want to watch Floyd Mayweather dotting Mike's... I
- 33:33Speaker 1: don't know what I'm watching this for.
- 33:35Speaker 3: It feels like elder abuse for both parties.
- 33:37Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I just don't, I don't.
- 33:40Speaker 1: What that feels like, and it's, we understand this about Mike,
- 33:45Speaker 1: but it's insane about Floyd, especially combined with the idea
- 33:49Speaker 1: that he will be unretiring. It just feels like two
- 33:53Speaker 1: dudes who need the money. And there's no way Floyd
- 34:01Speaker 1: Mayweather needs the money, right?
- 34:05Speaker 4: Right.
- 34:06Speaker 3: We're going to find out how much he needs the money.
- 34:08Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
- 34:09Speaker 3: We're going to find out. If we get Mayweather packing out, too.
- 34:15Speaker 2: Because we know that Manny needs the money.
- 34:18Speaker 3: Correct. Or someone else might need the money. If we
- 34:20Speaker 3: get Mayweather McGregor, too.
- 34:22Speaker 8: Oh, God.
- 34:24Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, look, man.
- 34:25Speaker 1: One thing that is never going to change. Boxers are
- 34:28Speaker 1: always going to need the money, man.
- 34:31Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 34:31Speaker 6: They are.
- 34:33Speaker 2: None of them say.
- 34:34Speaker 1: Or it's not even like none of them say is
- 34:36Speaker 1: that there's no infrastructure in place to make sure they
- 34:40Speaker 1: do good things with their money. Like all the people
- 34:43Speaker 1: who are around you as a boxer to get a
- 34:45Speaker 1: hand on your money, none of them wish you well.
- 34:49Speaker 2: Not a single one of them wishes you well.
- 34:51Speaker 3: It's also a bizarre sport where your best case for
- 34:56Speaker 3: keeping your money is not fighting.
- 34:58Speaker 5: Yes.
- 34:59Speaker 3: But also you only get paid if you fight well.
- 35:02Speaker 3: So like you're in sit, like you're always in sit
- 35:05Speaker 3: and then you have to spend all this money training.
- 35:07Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 35:07Speaker 1: I mean, the roots of the business are just steeped
- 35:11Speaker 1: in criminality.
- 35:12Speaker 8: Yes.
- 35:13Speaker 3: Yes.
- 35:14Speaker 2: Like that is art.
- 35:15Speaker 1: Like I just got through reading this book about like
- 35:18Speaker 1: the Silicon Valley people that try to go into selling weed,
- 35:20Speaker 1: you know, like legal weed, but it winds up being
- 35:23Speaker 1: this awkward thing for them because you have to deal
- 35:25Speaker 1: with some actual drug dealers along the way when you
- 35:29Speaker 1: kick it like that. Um, But there are no Silicon
- 35:34Speaker 1: Valley people it feels like that go into boxing.
- 35:36Speaker 2: No, it's just all of them.
- 35:38Speaker 3: The most respectable person who's going into boxing now is
- 35:40Speaker 3: Dana White. That is the most... Yeah, like the current
- 35:45Speaker 3: people involved in boxing now. Dana White, Oscar De La Hoya.
- 35:51Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and Al Heyman.
- 35:52Speaker 1: Al Heyman is probably the one, right?
- 35:55Speaker 2: Al Heyman was a reputable man in the world that
- 35:58Speaker 2: he was in before.
- 35:59Speaker 3: But this is just.
- 36:00Speaker 2: If Floyd needs the money, this is, whoo, boy, what
- 36:05Speaker 2: an economy.
- 36:07Speaker 3: All right. Speaking of Silicon Valley dudes doing things that
- 36:10Speaker 3: are unlikable, Sam Altman found a new low. Let's take
- 36:13Speaker 3: a listen.
- 36:14Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, hold on. Right fast. Remind people
- 36:16Speaker 2: who he is.
- 36:17Speaker 3: Sam Altman, the, well, how would you describe him? The
- 36:21Speaker 3: leader of OpenAI?
- 36:22Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the CEO of OpenAI.
- 36:23Speaker 3: He's the CEO of OpenAI. Found a new low in his, his, uh,
- 36:30Speaker 3: View of humanity, let's take a listen.
- 36:32Speaker 10: One of the things that is always unfair in this
- 36:35Speaker 10: comparison is people talk about how much energy it takes
- 36:38Speaker 10: to train an AI model relative to how much it
- 36:42Speaker 10: costs a human to do one inference query. But it
- 36:45Speaker 10: also takes a lot of energy to train a human.
- 36:46Speaker 10: It takes like 20 years of life and all of
- 36:49Speaker 10: the food you eat during that time before you get smart.
- 36:52Speaker 10: And not only that, it took the very widespread evolution
- 36:55Speaker 10: of the 100 billion people that have ever lived and
- 36:57Speaker 10: learned not to get eaten by predators and learned how
- 37:00Speaker 10: to figure out science and whatever to produce you, and
- 37:02Speaker 10: then you took whatever you took. So the fair comparison
- 37:06Speaker 10: is if you ask ChatGPT a question, how much energy
- 37:09Speaker 10: does it take once its model is trained to answer
- 37:11Speaker 10: that question versus a human? And probably AI has already
- 37:16Speaker 10: caught up on an energy efficiency basis measured that way.
- 37:21Speaker 2: These guys hate people.
- 37:26Speaker 1: Fundamentally, like I did a residency at the University of
- 37:30Speaker 1: Dayton a few months ago. And, you know, I was
- 37:33Speaker 1: talking about the kids using AI to do their homework
- 37:37Speaker 1: and stuff. And I'm like, why are you out here
- 37:39Speaker 1: making it easier for them to replace you, right? You
- 37:42Speaker 1: are contributing to your own replacement when you do this.
- 37:45Speaker 1: We have completely devalued human beings, right? Kim's saying that
- 37:50Speaker 1: out loud in that way and in that room where
- 37:52Speaker 1: no one seemed to be aghast.
- 37:55Speaker 3: Yeah, people laughed awkwardly, but no one was like, what
- 37:57Speaker 3: the fuck are you talking about?
- 37:58Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 37:58Speaker 1: Like the rest of us were like, I'm telling you, man. Ryan,
- 38:01Speaker 1: what's the name of that book we read?
- 38:02Speaker 3: They build it, everybody dies. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 38:06Speaker 2: If someone builds it.
- 38:07Speaker 3: Everyone dies. Everyone dies.
- 38:08Speaker 1: And it's just about superhuman AI and how it's pretty
- 38:12Speaker 1: much guaranteed that if it comes around, it's going to
- 38:15Speaker 1: kill us all. It has been made very clear that
- 38:18Speaker 1: it will destroy us in order to preserve itself.
- 38:21Speaker 3: Because that's the type of logic it has. Yes. And
- 38:24Speaker 3: because that is the type of logic. And that is
- 38:27Speaker 3: a person awkwardly, clumsily trying to make a point of
- 38:30Speaker 3: that logic. Not A to B of that logic. Yes. Yes.
- 38:34Speaker 1: And by the way, the people who wrote the book,
- 38:35Speaker 1: If Someone Builds It, Everyone Dies, are people that are like, hey,
- 38:39Speaker 1: we're trying to be cool about this.
- 38:41Speaker 3: That's the thing. Everyone who quits, we're trying to be cool.
- 38:44Speaker 3: It's okay.
- 38:45Speaker 8: It's okay.
- 38:46Speaker 3: But this is very, very dangerous, and I can't be
- 38:47Speaker 3: a part of it anymore.
- 38:48Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
- 38:49Speaker 1: And the point that was made that I thought was
- 38:50Speaker 1: most important was we don't know when it'll go too far.
- 38:57Speaker 1: We know it will happen. It could happen in 100 years.
- 39:01Speaker 1: It could also happen in five. We just don't know.
- 39:06Speaker 3: All right. Crazy news in the travel world over the weekend.
- 39:11Speaker 3: It was reported by the New York Times that TSA
- 39:13Speaker 3: was canceling its pre-check program. As of 6 a.m. Sunday morning,
- 39:19Speaker 3: TSA got on Twitter and responded, this time TSA PreCheck
- 39:21Speaker 3: remains operational with no change from traveling public. As staffing
- 39:25Speaker 3: constraints arise, TSA will evaluate by a case-by-case basis and adjust.
- 39:30Speaker 3: operations accordingly. Currency escorts, such as those for members of Congress,
- 39:35Speaker 3: have been suspended to allow officers to focus on the
- 39:37Speaker 3: mission of securing America's skies. Bo, what was your reaction
- 39:41Speaker 3: to this news?
- 39:42Speaker 5: Hey, man.
- 39:43Speaker 1: For those of you who don't know, it's a crazy
- 39:46Speaker 1: blizzard in New York City. Like the idea of getting
- 39:50Speaker 1: in and out of here had to be ridiculous.
- 39:52Speaker 2: And can you imagine?
- 39:53Speaker 1: Because they said they shut down pre-check at 6 a.m.
- 39:57Speaker 1: Can you imagine if you had that 8 a.m. flight
- 40:01Speaker 1: and you're just kicking it like you usually kick it
- 40:03Speaker 1: and then you get there and that line isn't there?
- 40:05Speaker 2: Like what?
- 40:09Speaker 3: I can't imagine like a place where people are already
- 40:14Speaker 3: mad enough about having to travel. Like people have their
- 40:17Speaker 3: angry face on. People don't want to interact with everybody.
- 40:19Speaker 3: And like, well, you mean there's free check lines closed. Yeah, yeah.
- 40:23Speaker 2: Like, no, no, no.
- 40:24Speaker 1: This was, that had to be, the only day at
- 40:26Speaker 1: the airport that had to be worse than that one
- 40:29Speaker 1: was the first day that they told people they couldn't
- 40:31Speaker 1: bring their lotion. It had to be in the small canisters.
- 40:33Speaker 1: That was like, I always say, the ashiest day in
- 40:36Speaker 1: the history of the friendly skies. You know, people just
- 40:38Speaker 1: weren't prepared for having to be all crackly and shit
- 40:41Speaker 1: like that. That just ain't what they saw coming. But
- 40:44Speaker 1: when I started seeing the reports of people being like, nah,
- 40:46Speaker 1: but the pre-check was open at this airport, at this airport,
- 40:49Speaker 1: it felt like the airport was treating it like when
- 40:53Speaker 1: corporate says okay you can only give people one pack
- 40:56Speaker 1: of ketchup with their fries.
- 40:58Speaker 2: And they're like whatever there's no handful in there.
- 41:00Speaker 3: It's my ketchup yeah yeah yeah it.
- 41:03Speaker 1: Is like hey man like what what what exactly do
- 41:05Speaker 1: we have to lose from this one right here no
- 41:08Speaker 1: no no no y'all go ahead and go through like
- 41:10Speaker 1: they was like y'all ain't gonna make our jobs no
- 41:12Speaker 1: harder than they have to.
- 41:14Speaker 3: We already have to explain to people but about the
- 41:16Speaker 3: lotion rules that have been in place since 2003. Yes.
- 41:20Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, nah, man, not today, Nazi. Y'all come on.
- 41:23Speaker 2: You know what? Pre-check for everybody. How about that?
- 41:26Speaker 1: Because that's the thing for me about pre-check is pre-check
- 41:29Speaker 1: is supposed to be some level of additional security. Have
- 41:31Speaker 1: you heard about anybody getting turned down for pre-check who
- 41:34Speaker 1: wasn't a convicted felon? Like, I'm assuming if you're a
- 41:38Speaker 1: convicted felon that they got, like, some stuff for you.
- 41:41Speaker 2: But otherwise, they ain't letting anybody get on pre-check. Actually,
- 41:44Speaker 2: it ain't exclusive at all.
- 41:46Speaker 3: No, I mean, I think it costs $ 80 for five years. Yes, yes.
- 41:50Speaker 3: And I think 20 million people have it. Yeah, I'll
- 41:53Speaker 3: tell you this, though.
- 41:53Speaker 1: That global entry took long enough to make me believe
- 41:56Speaker 1: that they're doing some double-checking on that one.
- 42:04Speaker 3: All right, Bill. A lot of good voicemails. Here's our first.
- 42:07Speaker 5: Hey, Bomani. This is Mike from Detroit. First time, long time.
- 42:11Speaker 5: I just want to let you know that I'm loving
- 42:13Speaker 5: the deep dive into rap in 1996. It takes me
- 42:16Speaker 5: back to some great musical memories. Listening to the episode
- 42:19Speaker 5: when you and Wally Sparks were talking about Akinyele's Put
- 42:22Speaker 5: It In Your Mouth took me back to another set
- 42:24Speaker 5: of musical memories that are very near and dear to
- 42:26Speaker 5: my heart, and I'm quite sure quite a few of
- 42:29Speaker 5: some of your listeners, and that is when I first
- 42:32Speaker 5: stumbled upon BET's Uncut One Late Night. My eyes couldn't
- 42:36Speaker 5: believe what they were seeing, and my ears couldn't believe
- 42:38Speaker 5: what they were hearing. It totally blew my mind, so
- 42:40Speaker 5: I have two questions for you. One is, What were
- 42:43Speaker 5: your initial thoughts when you first saw Uncut? And two,
- 42:47Speaker 5: what is the most memorable video you can remember, and
- 42:49Speaker 5: why is it Nelly's Tip Drill? Honorable mention to what
- 42:52Speaker 5: that thing smelled like. Appreciate you. Keep doing what you're doing. Peace.
- 42:56Speaker 1: All right, so the answer to your Tip Drill question,
- 42:59Speaker 1: because I was just like.
- 43:01Speaker 3: I love when people produce the show for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 43:04Speaker 1: I was just like, this all has to just be
- 43:05Speaker 1: going to Tip Drill. Because I don't remember the first
- 43:08Speaker 1: time I saw BET Uncut, but I do remember.
- 43:14Speaker 1: So me and one of my homies, this is, I
- 43:18Speaker 1: guess it's got to be 2004. I am in graduate school,
- 43:22Speaker 1: not doing well, not very happy. My homeboy is in
- 43:27Speaker 1: graduate school in a program in education. He had no
- 43:32Speaker 1: real intention of being a teacher, but he became a
- 43:36Speaker 1: teacher because if you did the graduate program, it came
- 43:39Speaker 1: with a job.
- 43:40Speaker 9: And he was like, hey, why not? And he's a
- 43:43Speaker 9: very large man. So they put him in seventh grade
- 43:48Speaker 9: with the kids with behavioral disorders. Again, someone who had
- 43:55Speaker 9: no intention of ever being a teacher. Just throwing it
- 43:59Speaker 9: out there. Anyway, the details and the particulars don't really matter.
- 44:04Speaker 9: But sometime during the second semester, those kids got a
- 44:08Speaker 9: new teacher. And my man had a lot of free time.
- 44:14Speaker 9: And so he would just be up. And he told
- 44:17Speaker 9: me that he had seen the video for Tip Drill
- 44:21Speaker 9: and that it was so wild that he thought about
- 44:25Speaker 9: calling me. Keep in mind BET Uncut came on at
- 44:28Speaker 9: 2 o'clock in the morning.
- 44:29Speaker 2: Okay.
- 44:30Speaker 1: And I told him if in his heart he believed
- 44:34Speaker 1: that this was something that I truly needed to see,
- 44:37Speaker 1: then he should go ahead and call me the next
- 44:39Speaker 1: time it came on.
- 44:43Speaker 2: And sure as shit.
- 44:46Speaker 1: He called me. I picked up the phone. I stumbled
- 44:50Speaker 1: out of bed. I went to the living room. I
- 44:53Speaker 1: turned on BET.
- 44:56Speaker 9: And I thought it was a dream. I couldn't believe
- 44:59Speaker 9: this was real life.
- 45:01Speaker 3: And it was I was so.
- 45:03Speaker 1: Hazy and fuzzy that I did not have the opportunity
- 45:06Speaker 1: to recognize the girls I went to college with who
- 45:10Speaker 1: were in the video. Because I want to say they
- 45:12Speaker 1: shot it at Ray Buchanan's house in Atlanta. And that
- 45:17Speaker 1: video's like seven minutes long.
- 45:19Speaker 3: That's the other thing. And look, here's the thing.
- 45:22Speaker 1: Generally speaking, You go back and watch the stuff that
- 45:25Speaker 1: felt so risque back in the day, and it don't
- 45:28Speaker 1: land the same way. Like, you go back and watch
- 45:30Speaker 1: them old Luke videos, it don't hit the same way.
- 45:32Speaker 1: You go back and watch the Rump Shaker video, and
- 45:34Speaker 1: the Rump Shaker video was, like, too hot for TV
- 45:37Speaker 1: when it came out.
- 45:38Speaker 2: It's still pretty dope, but it don't hit the same way.
- 45:40Speaker 1: The Tip Trill video is just as ridiculous today as
- 45:45Speaker 1: it was in 2004.
- 45:45Speaker 3: Like, what are we.
- 45:48Speaker 2: What are we doing?
- 45:50Speaker 1: Also, I think Shakin' Like a Doll, Cain and Abel
- 45:53Speaker 1: is the one that my man did that.
- 45:55Speaker 2: Shakin' Like a Doll, that was a... And it was
- 45:57Speaker 2: the dude from Alaska. What was his name? Joker the Bailbondsman.
- 46:01Speaker 2: That was also him. Ryan, you're learning a lot right now,
- 46:04Speaker 2: aren't you?
- 46:05Speaker 3: Oh, I know about Cain and Abel.
- 46:07Speaker 1: That one I bet, but Joker the Bailbondsman, I feel
- 46:10Speaker 1: like was not something.
- 46:11Speaker 3: That you were prepared for.
- 46:12Speaker 1: He's a rapper from Alaska named Joker the Bailbondsman.
- 46:16Speaker 3: You earn something new every day.
- 46:17Speaker 5: Yes.
- 46:18Speaker 2: By the way, did I also tell you about my
- 46:19Speaker 2: man Layton? Was he fired?
- 46:21Speaker 1: Dude, my RA from college, performing at the closing ceremony
- 46:25Speaker 1: of the Winter Olympics.
- 46:26Speaker 2: That happened today.
- 46:27Speaker 3: What? Yeah, yeah. He's one of the major laser cats. Incredible.
- 46:31Speaker 1: I went to dinner with him in Barcelona a couple
- 46:33Speaker 1: years ago, and I was like, oh, this is my richest,
- 46:36Speaker 1: most famous friend. I hadn't seen Layton in 20 years.
- 46:38Speaker 1: He was telling me about his life. I was like,
- 46:40Speaker 1: God damn, this is crazy.
- 46:43Speaker 3: Yeah, musician money is different. All right, here's our next one.
- 46:46Speaker 6: Okay, Bo, I like the Simpsons just as much as you, right?
- 46:50Speaker 6: I'm going to ask you, in the Simpsons universe, who
- 46:54Speaker 6: do you think would have been on the Epstein files?
- 46:57Speaker 6: And who do you think would have.
- 46:58Speaker 8: Just shocked you?
- 46:59Speaker 6: I'm going to say the obvious. I think Mayor Quimby,
- 47:01Speaker 6: no doubt, would have been on the Epstein files. Krusty
- 47:04Speaker 6: the Clown, I'm going to throw, I don't think Mr.
- 47:07Speaker 8: Burns would have been in there, but I think.
- 47:10Speaker 6: Waylon Smithers would have been on the Epstein files. But
- 47:14Speaker 6: I'm going to say the most shocking one, I believe, hey,
- 47:19Speaker 6: what's his name?
- 47:21Speaker 8: Groundskeeper Willie.
- 47:22Speaker 6: I think Groundskeeper Willie would have been the biggest shock.
- 47:26Speaker 6: But if you want to add to it, man, I'd
- 47:28Speaker 6: appreciate it.
- 47:29Speaker 8: Love the show.
- 47:31Speaker 2: All right.
- 47:31Speaker 1: Krusty the Clown definitely would have been in the Epstein files.
- 47:35Speaker 1: I don't think, Mayor Quimby played like Democrat, right? Like,
- 47:39Speaker 1: I don't know if he's hanging out.
- 47:42Speaker 3: Well, that's not, unfortunately not. That's fair.
- 47:46Speaker 2: That's fair.
- 47:47Speaker 3: That's fair.
- 47:47Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 47:48Speaker 3: I feel like.
- 47:50Speaker 2: Mayor Quimby's on the board. I would definitely say this.
- 47:53Speaker 1: They would never invite groundskeeper Willie to any of the groundskeeper.
- 47:58Speaker 1: Willie would be on the, in the Epstein files and like,
- 48:02Speaker 1: where's the groundskeeper.
- 48:04Speaker 2: Like, that's where I would see him. Smithers? Nah. Nah.
- 48:09Speaker 2: I don't see that one. The problem with.
- 48:11Speaker 1: The Simpsons is, in the Simpsons universe, they just ain't
- 48:14Speaker 1: enough people with enough paper to get themselves.
- 48:17Speaker 3: I feel like Mr. Burns is like, almost, it just
- 48:20Speaker 3: has to be. It's like.
- 48:22Speaker 2: Nah, because I don't, I don't think Epstein would let Mr.
- 48:26Speaker 2: Burns come around.
- 48:28Speaker 3: Got it.
- 48:28Speaker 2: You know, because, hey, here's the thing about Mr. Burns.
- 48:31Speaker 1: The thing Mr. Burns does not seem to have much
- 48:33Speaker 1: interest in is companies. You know, like Mayor Quimby, I
- 48:38Speaker 1: see the vision on that one.
- 48:40Speaker 3: Mr.
- 48:40Speaker 1: Burns, I don't think he got the energy, the vim
- 48:44Speaker 1: and vigor that would be necessary. But Krusty the Clown, oh,
- 48:49Speaker 1: that's absolutely his kind of party.
- 48:53Speaker 3: All right, here's our next one.
- 48:55Speaker 4: Hey, Bomani.
- 48:56Speaker 7: So this is keeping in line with the name game
- 48:58Speaker 7: you got going on. It's about the name Dutch. My
- 49:02Speaker 7: grandfather was named Dutch. And I just feel like it's
- 49:05Speaker 7: one of those names that doesn't matter what race you are,
- 49:08Speaker 7: the name Dutch is going to mean something. My granddad,
- 49:11Speaker 7: he was a man named Dutch from Compton. And everybody knew,
- 49:14Speaker 7: don't mess with Dutch. My uncle, my aunt, whenever they'd
- 49:19Speaker 7: act up or go crazy, it was, well, you know
- 49:22Speaker 7: they got that Dutch blood in them, so it ain't
- 49:23Speaker 7: got no sense. But what other name works like that,
- 49:27Speaker 7: where you just know, it don't matter where you're from,
- 49:30Speaker 7: what color you are, race or creed, if your name
- 49:33Speaker 7: is Dutch, you're going to be a fool. Whereas if
- 49:35Speaker 7: your name is something like Kevin, it can go either way.
- 49:40Speaker 7: Just asking the question. Oh, also shout out to your man,
- 49:43Speaker 7: Deontay Lee. He is now the head coach of my
- 49:46Speaker 7: high school alma mater, Bonita Vista. We were champions, year
- 49:50Speaker 7: 2000 Metro League champions. I still got the t-shirt to
- 49:52Speaker 7: prove it.
- 49:53Speaker 3: All right, you have a good one.
- 49:55Speaker 1: Hey, but what I need to know though is why
- 49:58Speaker 1: they call him Dutch. Like what is the point? What
- 50:03Speaker 1: do you have to do to get called Dutch? I've
- 50:05Speaker 1: never seen the answer to that, especially if you're not Dutch.
- 50:11Speaker 3: You got a guess? I'm really not sure.
- 50:14Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's the part that I do.
- 50:17Speaker 1: Yeah, when you have a street-like nickname all the way
- 50:21Speaker 1: through life, you have earned this.
- 50:24Speaker 3: Yes. Right? And you introduce yourself by aforementioned name.
- 50:28Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like it is an honorific, right? And like
- 50:32Speaker 2: sometimes it's like not really a nickname. For example, do
- 50:35Speaker 2: you remember when.
- 50:36Speaker 1: That dude shot David Ortiz in the Dominican Republic?
- 50:39Speaker 3: I do remember that.
- 50:40Speaker 1: And it was all them stories about what the reason
- 50:42Speaker 1: was that I don't know what's like legal or safe
- 50:45Speaker 1: to talk about. But the dude that at one time
- 50:48Speaker 1: people were saying was behind it, they called him in
- 50:52Speaker 1: Las Calles.
- 50:55Speaker 2: De la República Dominica, el abusador, the abuser. And that's
- 51:04Speaker 2: not a nickname. There's nothing clever about that.
- 51:07Speaker 3: That's not a nickname.
- 51:08Speaker 1: That's a job description. That's what he does. That is
- 51:12Speaker 1: not an honorific. That is a warning.
- 51:16Speaker 3: Dutch.
- 51:17Speaker 2: If you are Dutch all the way through, that is
- 51:19Speaker 2: an honorific.
- 51:20Speaker 1: You have earned a measure of respect that gets there
- 51:24Speaker 1: before we get to the fear.
- 51:25Speaker 2: El abusador. Just fear. I don't know what David Ortiz
- 51:29Speaker 2: was thinking. We forget fear. That got real dicey.
- 51:33Speaker 8: Yes.
- 51:35Speaker 2: Real dicey.
- 51:36Speaker 3: Real dicey, real fast. All right, here's our last one.
- 51:38Speaker 8: Hey, Bo, this is Zach out of Long Beach, California.
- 51:41Speaker 8: Big fan of the show. Thought I'd call in and
- 51:44Speaker 8: just add to the names. Sorry, add to the list
- 51:48Speaker 8: of names that you typically don't see for white folks.
- 51:52Speaker 8: So I want you all to go ahead and look
- 51:53Speaker 8: up a Tavon Kitchen. Tavon is a middle and long
- 51:58Speaker 8: distance runner out of BYU. yeah I'm curious y'all's thoughts
- 52:05Speaker 8: on Tavon when you look him up but yeah thanks
- 52:09Speaker 8: so much y'all.
- 52:11Speaker 1: Hey Ryan I don't know if you've noticed this but
- 52:15Speaker 1: the Mormons they throw some monkey wrenches.
- 52:21Speaker 3: Well I mean not to paint with a broad brush
- 52:24Speaker 3: but sometimes they're I'm just going to say they're picking
- 52:28Speaker 3: their 5th and 6th and 7th and 8th favorite names
- 52:32Speaker 3: I'm not saying necessarily how they got to there I'm
- 52:36Speaker 3: saying they're.
- 52:37Speaker 1: I will say this though because they kind of just
- 52:39Speaker 1: put some stuff together like.
- 52:41Speaker 2: You know.
- 52:44Speaker 1: I don't always understand how the combinations have been put
- 52:47Speaker 1: together What I think would be hilarious is, because I
- 52:50Speaker 1: don't know anything about this young man, I don't know
- 52:52Speaker 1: where he's from, but it is entirely possible that he
- 52:54Speaker 1: is from a place where he has no idea. Like,
- 52:58Speaker 1: he gets out into the world and they're like, why
- 52:59Speaker 1: do people think I'm black?
- 53:00Speaker 2: They don't understand. Like, he got no idea.
- 53:02Speaker 3: It's never come up.
- 53:04Speaker 1: Yeah, there are these black Tavons out there, right?
- 53:06Speaker 3: Especially, Tavon's a runner. Yeah, right, right.
- 53:10Speaker 2: But in middle distance, right?
- 53:11Speaker 3: But he shows up to these meets.
- 53:13Speaker 1: Right, like maybe not once in his life has Tavon
- 53:16Speaker 1: been ran off the roll and he said here and
- 53:18Speaker 1: the teacher was surprised, right?
- 53:20Speaker 2: Correct.
- 53:21Speaker 1: He doesn't understand what the joke is, right? He's like
- 53:25Speaker 1: when Mike Tirico was like, I don't understand what's going on, guys.
- 53:28Speaker 1: I'm Italian. What are you talking about? Why do you
- 53:31Speaker 1: keep saying that? You know, that's where the homie Tavon
- 53:36Speaker 1: is probably coming down. But if we found out that Tavon, like,
- 53:38Speaker 1: ran the 100, like, for example, you know, I don't
- 53:41Speaker 1: know if you know about this, but Chris Collinsworth was
- 53:44Speaker 1: a legend in Florida because he was the 100-meter champion
- 53:47Speaker 1: in the state of Florida. And this word had gotten
- 53:50Speaker 1: around that there was this, like, it was like a
- 53:52Speaker 1: mythical thing that.
- 53:53Speaker 2: There's this white guy. Because I tell you, none of
- 53:56Speaker 2: these young boys in the league have any idea that
- 53:58Speaker 2: Chris Collinsworth is fast.
- 54:00Speaker 3: No, they think Chris Collinsworth, receiver, they think Julian Edelman.
- 54:04Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Or they thought he was a quarterback.
- 54:07Speaker 4: Yes.
- 54:07Speaker 1: Like it just doesn't really come up if they even
- 54:09Speaker 1: know that, right? But anyway, it was just like this
- 54:12Speaker 1: legendary thing. This white boy was just showing up and
- 54:14Speaker 1: dusting people. But I also imagine it had to be,
- 54:16Speaker 1: keeping in mind that Chris Collinsworth, Chris is C-R-I-S, which
- 54:20Speaker 1: is an editorial liberty that the whites normally don't.
- 54:24Speaker 3: Take with their names.
- 54:25Speaker 2: There were also some people that I was like, what
- 54:27Speaker 2: you mean that's Chris Collinsworth? Only to get dusty.
- 54:31Speaker 4: Right.
- 54:32Speaker 5: Only.
- 54:32Speaker 2: And I think he went to Abraham Lincoln High School too.
- 54:38Speaker 3: Only to get dusty.
- 54:41Speaker 2: What an episode, Ryan. What an episode.
- 54:45Speaker 3: You made it.
- 54:46Speaker 2: We did.
- 54:46Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here
- 54:49Speaker 1: on The Right Time.
- 54:50Speaker 2: We do this four days a week.
- 54:52Speaker 1: Ryan Brumley had everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir.
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- 55:10Speaker 3: Take it easy.