Latest / The Hypnotist / Adam on 4D Thinking and Guest Hypnotist Carmen Sauciuc on Identity and Feelfulness
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- 0:05Welcome to The Hypnotist, the show that gives you inside
- 0:09access to cutting edge hypnosis with real clients facing genuine
- 0:13issues. Brought to you by the
- 0:14Hypnotherapist, Demanded by celebrities CE OS and even
- 0:18royalty Adam Cox, These recordings took place live from
- 0:22Evans Clinic in London's world famous Harley Street.
- 0:29So get yourself comfortable and enjoy today's episode of The
- 0:33Hypnotist. Hi, it's Adam here.
- 0:40You're about to listen to two different interviews.
- 0:44The 1st is where I'm being interviewed about four
- 0:47dimensional thinking and then the second is where I interview
- 0:51Carmen Salcher, who is a author and therapist who talks about
- 0:57identity and something that sounds like mindfulness but with
- 1:02a distinction. And that is it's feelfulness.
- 1:04It's the actual emotions and the feelings rather than just what
- 1:09you observe and notice. So this is two different
- 1:13interviews squeezed together. So me talking about four
- 1:17dimensions and then common talking about identity and
- 1:20regression. Enjoy.
- 1:24We are here with Adam Cox all the way from UK, London more
- 1:29specifically, and he's going to tell us all about his for the
- 1:35hypnosis, the time and the space and the subconscious mind.
- 1:39Adam, tell us all about it. Hi, Carmen.
- 1:42Nice to nice to be on your show. Yeah.
- 1:45So at the Mid America conference, I'm going to be
- 1:48talking about 4D hypnosis or 4D thinking, so 4 dimensional
- 1:53thinking. And one of the things that I
- 1:57love doing when I do hypnosis is use metaphor.
- 2:00It's one of my favorite things to do and I take a lot of
- 2:04inspiration from movies. And one of my favorite genres
- 2:08of, of movie is kind of time travel and science fiction.
- 2:12And what I found is that when I did hypnosis sessions that was
- 2:16inspired by things that, let's say play with space and time.
- 2:23It was mapping across a lot with certain principles of
- 2:29hypnotherapy. So a lot of hypnotherapists will
- 2:32use things like regression, which is kind of time travel
- 2:36going back. Most hypnotherapists will use
- 2:39things like future pacing or pseudo orientation in time,
- 2:44which is taking the client to a future that doesn't exist yet.
- 2:49If you think about PTSD, quite often one of the things that a
- 2:53client will do is relive a moment from the past, like
- 2:57they're in a first person perspective.
- 3:00And a lot of anticipatory fear is experiencing something that
- 3:04could happen that hasn't happened, as if it's happening
- 3:08in the moment. So it kind of dawned on me that
- 3:12what's happening in our imagination seems to be a
- 3:15different realm from what's happening in our reality.
- 3:20In our reality, we're in a three-dimensional world where
- 3:25time is linear. It only moves forwards, and yet
- 3:29our imagination can go backwards and forwards.
- 3:31In time, we can take on a different perspective.
- 3:34You know, for therapists that use things like association and
- 3:38disassociation, that's a first person or third person
- 3:42perspective. Hypnotists are intuitive at
- 3:44using this kind of stuff because we can in the realm of the
- 3:48imagination. But I can't teleport into your
- 3:51body and you can't teleport into mine in reality because we live
- 3:55in a three-dimensional reality. It is possible for you to do
- 3:59that within your imagination. And you know, I've, I've done a
- 4:03lot of hypnotherapy over the last kind of 12 years.
- 4:06My belief is to what hypnotherapy is, is to utilize
- 4:10our imagination for therapeutic benefits.
- 4:14And the more I looked into it and the more I thought about it,
- 4:17the more it seems like our imagination is more like a four
- 4:20dimensional realm than it is a three-dimensional realm.
- 4:24And that's that's what I'm going to be talking about.
- 4:26I, I love that and I, I love you bringing down dimensionality.
- 4:30I work with dimensions too, but we tell, tell me, tell me more
- 4:36about it it now. What other other people want to
- 4:40understand is that 4 dimensional time is the present time, moment
- 4:45to which to which you take your client, whether back and forth,
- 4:50accessing different dimensions through that imagination which
- 4:53we know the power of imagination is just the most powerful a
- 4:58human can have is imagination. Yeah.
- 5:02And, and what's fascinating is that physics can give us
- 5:06distinction. So if we think about a straight
- 5:08line, that's effectively 1 dimension.
- 5:11It has no depth, it only has forwards and backwards along the
- 5:15the line A2 dimensional shape for example, like a square or a
- 5:19triangle. Again, it has no depth, has no
- 5:22volume, but it does have the ability to go up and down on
- 5:27that two-dimensional plane. We as humans live in a
- 5:31three-dimensional reality. So we have the ability to
- 5:35perceive depth, we have the ability to assess where we are
- 5:41and interact with our environment.
- 5:43But there's certain things that we we can't do.
- 5:45In the same way that A2 dimensional character couldn't
- 5:49comprehend our three-dimensional reality, certain things would be
- 5:54invisible to A2 dimensional entity in a three-dimensional
- 5:58world, correct? Humans in a as 3 dimensional
- 6:02entities. There's so many things that we
- 6:05couldn't comprehend in A4 dimensional world, for example.
- 6:09So one of the key distinctions is about time perception and
- 6:13perspectives. They're the key things.
- 6:15So for us in our three-dimensional reality, time
- 6:18is linear and it only moves forward.
- 6:21So we can't travel back in time and our perception is limited to
- 6:26where we are and what we perceive within our senses.
- 6:30But A4 dimensional entity would be able to have multiple
- 6:33perceptions concurrently. So for example, this thought
- 6:39experiment of Schrodinger's cat where you have the cat in a
- 6:43sealed chamber. The reason why that that kind of
- 6:47mimics this idea of perception and reality is while the cat is
- 6:54in this chamber with this poisonous gas, until you open
- 6:57it, there is the possibility that the cat is alive and dead.
- 7:02So therefore, before you open the box, both realities coexist
- 7:07or both possibilities coexist. And it only becomes true when
- 7:12you can confirm what's happened with some kind of sense.
- 7:15That might be sight or it might be some kind of sense or inside,
- 7:19but you you can only know through verification and then
- 7:22that makes the reality and that maps across within physics
- 7:26what's called the double slit experiment where particles act,
- 7:30you know, depending on if they're observed or not.
- 7:32So you have this kind of very strange phenomenon in A4
- 7:36dimensional reality, it's possible to hold multiple
- 7:39perceptions simultaneously because things are in a state
- 7:42called flux. So in four dimensional shapes
- 7:47for example, like a tesseract for example would be a four
- 7:51dimensional version of a cube. It's in constant motion and we
- 7:55know that because the shadow of a cube when it's being rotated
- 8:00looks like the perception of a tesseract.
- 8:03Now we can never perceive A tesseract because we're 3
- 8:06dimensional entities. But in the same way that you can
- 8:10perceive A3 dimensional shape on A2 dimensional plane like if I
- 8:15drew a cube you would know what a cube looks like.
- 8:18Even if I put it on A2 dimensional plane like I I can
- 8:21draw a three-dimensional shape. We can have a perception of A4
- 8:25dimensional shape even in our three-dimensional realities.
- 8:30Now the reason why this is useful is that if our
- 8:33imagination acts more like a four dimensional realm and we
- 8:38have this idea of the fluidity of time and multiple realities
- 8:42coexisting, what some people would call the multiverse.
- 8:46So infinite parallel universes, these can become tools that
- 8:50hypnotherapist can use to actually give a very different
- 8:53experience for the client. So for example, one of the
- 8:58things I like to do with clients is to create the thought
- 9:02experiment of if there was infinite parallel universes,
- 9:08this kind of multiverse, what's the version of them that's
- 9:11already got through this problem that they're currently facing?
- 9:15I'd like that. And let's visit that reality.
- 9:18And then they can observe. So disassociation, how did they
- 9:21get through this particular problem?
- 9:23And it creates the idea that someone with their exact
- 9:26genetics has able to have had the problem and get through it.
- 9:31And then that creates this idea that it's also possible for
- 9:34them. There's no amount of priming.
- 9:36So you know what? What I'm keen to do is to
- 9:38emphasize that I'm not saying that the the the imagination or
- 9:44thought is A4 dimensional realm. I'm just saying it has parallels
- 9:48more with the 4th dimension than it does with the
- 9:51three-dimensional world that we live in.
- 9:54In which case hypnotherapist can interact with their clients
- 9:57differently by using 4 dimensional metaphor to create
- 10:01either perceptual differences or time differences at a new level
- 10:05of distinction that they couldn't do.
- 10:07If we try and project A3 dimensional reality into the
- 10:10imagination of a client, it's a different realm.
- 10:14It's a different, you know, the rules of physics don't apply in
- 10:19the imagination. And we know that's true because
- 10:21how many times have you had a dream of flying or a dream of
- 10:26being in a future or or a past like that can't happen in
- 10:29reality. But our dreams definitely are
- 10:32not a three-dimensional reality because there's things you can
- 10:35teleport, you can start in one environment and then suddenly be
- 10:39in another. And it all seems to make sense.
- 10:42So I would say dreams and imagination are much more like a
- 10:46four dimensional realm than a three-dimensional realm.
- 10:49As and as hypnotherapists, What if that's a useful framework so
- 10:54that we can work with clients in a different way?
- 10:57Oh, definitely, it's definitely useful.
- 10:59And especially if the client has seen has seen a sci-fi movie
- 11:02with the teleportation, it would just make it so easy for them to
- 11:05reimagine. And even if you give them the
- 11:09the image, like imagine you're here and then imagine you there
- 11:12in whatever chamber or another chamber, it's absolutely,
- 11:16definitely useful. Guest out therapy does that use
- 11:21the two chairs and then you face each other and, and, and then
- 11:25the first chair is the the one that comes to us with the
- 11:29problem. And the other chair is the
- 11:31client talking to the version of themselves in in in the
- 11:36multiverse that they need to to to resolve.
- 11:40And it quite magical. And I definitely like this
- 11:45modern metaphor. Teleportation, transportation
- 11:48queues, 3D4D. And there are all of them are
- 11:52very important aspects, yes, because we are in physical form
- 12:00coming to a practitioner like you to do something while
- 12:05feeling better. But it is the thoughts that been
- 12:08registered and in neuroscience that we need help to remove
- 12:15them. I think Einstein had a great
- 12:17quote and something along the lines that you can't solve a
- 12:22problem with the same thinking that got you into that
- 12:26situation. Oh, absolutely.
- 12:28Absolutely. So therefore, isn't it useful to
- 12:31have a very different way of thinking about the problem?
- 12:35And that could be from a different perception that could
- 12:37be from a different point in time.
- 12:38You know, there's, there's lots of ways.
- 12:40One of the things I like to do in a session is to take the
- 12:44client into a future version of themself.
- 12:46One year. And what would it be like?
- 12:49One year of not having that phobia and not having that
- 12:52addiction. One year of already having lost
- 12:54the weight that they want to lose.
- 12:57And then think backwards and then think, what did it take to
- 13:01make that reality real and to realize, because a lot of people
- 13:05have this idea that they have to be perfect in order, that they
- 13:09can't make one mistake. 1 relapse in order.
- 13:13So one of the things I'd like to do is to take them to that
- 13:15future version and let's say they've lost weight or they've
- 13:18gained confidence. And it's kind of like and recall
- 13:21that you didn't need to be perfect to get where you've got
- 13:24to. That you can make mistakes and
- 13:26then it primes them for mitigating relapses.
- 13:30But also that that it's consistency over time.
- 13:35That is one of the most effective ways for them to
- 13:37actually get the result. And actually a blip is no big
- 13:41deal if it's just a blip, you know, if someone lives a future
- 13:45as a non-smoker and they realize that, OK, maybe there was two or
- 13:49three times that they did take a step backwards, but it's still
- 13:52got to a point where they they quit for good.
- 13:55What's the big deal? And a lot of smokers are are,
- 13:58you know, have this sort of Damocles hanging over their head
- 14:02that if they just have one cigarette, then it means they're
- 14:05a smoker again. Well, that's a disempowering
- 14:07belief because it creates a self fulfilling prophecy.
- 14:10So playing with time and and playing with perception is
- 14:14great. I think a lot of
- 14:15hypnotherapists, particularly with certain addictions, have
- 14:18used the future pacing where they go to the inevitable
- 14:23outcome of a destructive behaviour.
- 14:25They get to see them off on a deathbed full of regret.
- 14:29It's like, well, who who wouldn't want to kind of go back
- 14:32in time? I mean, that's, that's the
- 14:34essence of some level of the, of the Dickens pattern, which is
- 14:38see the see the future that you don't want to create that point
- 14:43of threshold to create the motivation to change in the
- 14:46present. And then effectively you're
- 14:48playing with time. You know, you're playing with
- 14:50time by saying, right, knowing what I now know could be a
- 14:54future, how can I, how can I make that future not happen?
- 14:58And that's kind of the premise of almost every time travel
- 15:02movie is that they see the future, something bad happens,
- 15:06but they get to go back in time and change it.
- 15:09What a great concept for for change but.
- 15:13This is what chemotherapy does. That's what between nurses right
- 15:16after that, we go back, but also use the future like like you
- 15:19said, imagine what it would be like and what's your experience
- 15:24when you've achieved the goal and then what it's it's just
- 15:28powerful, Very, very powerful. It is and I and I think it's a
- 15:32very versatile tool because I think a lot of trainers will
- 15:37train someone on a particular technique.
- 15:40Whereas when I talk about four dimensional thinking, it's more
- 15:44of a paradigm than a technique. Because if you start thinking
- 15:49that OK, the, the imagination of the client is A4 dimensional
- 15:53realm. And therefore all of the tools
- 15:56that would only work in the 4th dimension, that wouldn't work in
- 15:59our three-dimensional reality are now possible within a
- 16:03therapeutic context. So time travel, perception
- 16:07travel, multiple realities, you know, even distorting the laws
- 16:12of physics, you know, think of the rewind technique.
- 16:15Isn't that just like doing something in reverse?
- 16:18You can't do that in physical reality, but you can do it in
- 16:21your imagination. And some of the most effective
- 16:24tools that we have in hypnotherapy and therapy in
- 16:27general are based on 4 dimensional thinking, not 3
- 16:31dimensional realities. That's not a coincidence.
- 16:34That's because these things are very kind of powerful and the
- 16:38human mind is not bound by the laws of three-dimensional
- 16:42realities. Gravity does not exist, you
- 16:45know, think of how many times the induction or deep in a
- 16:49suggestion of floating is used. You know, well, gravity exists
- 16:54in our three-dimensional reality, but in A4 dimensional
- 16:56reality is not bound by the same laws of physics.
- 17:00Therefore we can use sensory distortions that we can't use in
- 17:05reality. When you perceive them, you
- 17:07start to feel them and that gives an experience to the, to
- 17:11the client. So, you know, the, the reason I
- 17:13like talking about this kind of stuff is that it, it feels like
- 17:17it's opening up, you know, a new horizon for hypnotherapist that
- 17:21might be too stuck in certain patterns of I do this technique,
- 17:28I do this protocol. Once you start looking at the
- 17:31lens that actually there is so much more creativity and
- 17:34flexibility, I think gives us more ability to be nuanced and
- 17:39creative and and have fun, but also create profound change for
- 17:43the clients that we're working with.
- 17:45I agree 100%. I I agree.
- 17:47That's I myself, I don't particularly like a single
- 17:52technique or single modality because with you can't just use
- 17:55only one tool, the imagination. It's unlimited.
- 17:58And every client they have, they might have, let's say PTSD, but
- 18:02not all of them is the same. And often times we have post
- 18:06traumatic injury and, and we still refresh the stress and
- 18:12it's not just mental, emotional stress, it's physical, it's
- 18:15injury that has happened, trauma to your body, which is very
- 18:18different than PTSD. So the same PTSD approach will
- 18:22it's will not work the same for someone that has sustained
- 18:26significant injury to their body.
- 18:27It's, it's different. So yes, 100 a hundred IA 100%
- 18:34agree. Don't stick to just one
- 18:36technique or one modality. This is where we start.
- 18:40Of course, we start with dictating some modalities, but
- 18:42then to have a shift in in perspective using this 4D time
- 18:49and space as you bring out, it's it's it's a yes.
- 18:54It's a yes for me. Yeah, and, and it's super fun as
- 18:58well. To, to, to, to actually kind of
- 19:01do that with clients because it gives them a very different kind
- 19:05of experience. And, you know, I think there's,
- 19:08there's only really two parallels that I've found that
- 19:12we as humans living in a three-dimensional reality can
- 19:15get close to what A4 dimensional reality could be like.
- 19:19And one is things like the virtual reality in the
- 19:22metaverse, because in virtual reality in a metaverse, you
- 19:26could go back to a different time, you could take on a
- 19:29different perspective, you could wear the skin of a different
- 19:32character and kind of play their, their role.
- 19:35So that's one way that we can get close to A4 dimensional
- 19:38reality. But the only other thing is the
- 19:41imagination. And we're, we're
- 19:44hypnotherapists, we're not computer coders and gamers.
- 19:47So it's kind of like the imagination becomes the the
- 19:51canvas in which we can help clients have a 4D experience,
- 19:56but it's not just because you could have that just as like an
- 19:59experience like guided meditation to get insight and
- 20:03thought experiments. But why not do it deliberately
- 20:06to change something that the client wants that might be
- 20:10access a resource, They break a pattern, you know, do something
- 20:15useful for them that deals with the thing.
- 20:17And I think that's where the Venn diagrams overlap, is that
- 20:20you give them this wonderful experience, but you make it
- 20:23therapeutically beneficial as well.
- 20:26Correct, correct. And something we must keep in
- 20:29mind that clients come to us to change something.
- 20:33So whatever, whatever it is, they want to change and often we
- 20:36have the last resort as they, a lot of them, I have a lot of
- 20:39clients that have gone through significant amount of
- 20:42psychotherapy. So and other clients that
- 20:46hypnosis is, is the last resort and it is just it is the most
- 20:51amazing, magical, fantastic, achieving a tool that that we
- 20:58can utilize and more people need to know about it.
- 21:00I'd be glad to know about it. So what else you want to tell
- 21:03us? You have a, you have a very
- 21:05famous podcast, so. Tell us what so I I created this
- 21:10podcast at the beginning of the pandemic.
- 21:12I was working in a very prestigious location in in
- 21:17London, had high profile clients, but I could I'm fairly
- 21:20good at reading trends and I could see when the pandemic
- 21:23started that I would I was going to have less clients that I
- 21:26could physically work with in front of me.
- 21:29So I ended the lease on, on that therapy room and I wanted to
- 21:34have an outlet for, for my hypnosis creatively and, and
- 21:41just as a, as a way to kind of experiment with different types
- 21:45of, of hypnotherapy. So I created a podcast and it
- 21:49wasn't a training podcast for other hypnotherapists and it
- 21:52wasn't just doing hypnosis sessions that were quite
- 21:55generic. I, I wanted to have a hypnosis
- 21:59podcast that featured real hypnosis based on real client
- 22:04issues and actually use the hypnosis that I use for the
- 22:08actual client that I was working with, but protecting the
- 22:10confidentiality of that client. And that felt appealing to me
- 22:15because some of the books that I really enjoyed when I was
- 22:19learning to become a hypnotherapist were the real
- 22:22transcripts of real therapeutic sessions, not step by step
- 22:26protocols and kind of techniques.
- 22:28But what did Milton Ericsson do with that particular client to
- 22:31lead to the breakthrough? Or what did Richard Bandler do,
- 22:35you know, to help that particular phobic in that
- 22:37situation? So I thought like real hypnosis
- 22:41becomes the the the thing. And to begin with, it didn't do
- 22:44very well. I was just sharing my weight
- 22:46loss hypnosis sessions. What made it grow was I took
- 22:50inspiration from movies. So the first movie that you
- 22:55know, I, I took inspiration from was a movie called Limitless
- 22:59with Robert De Niro and Bradley Cooper, where he takes this pill
- 23:02and then suddenly his, his brain is supercharged.
- 23:05And I turned that into a hypnosis session, put it on
- 23:08social media and in the pandemic, everyone's bored,
- 23:11they've got nothing to do. And I'm like, hey, I've done
- 23:13this hypnosis session based on the movie Limitless.
- 23:15Let me know if you want that session.
- 23:17So a lot of people did. And what I didn't know at the
- 23:20time is that I was training the algorithm of the podcast to know
- 23:25who to put my stuff in front of. And then I did that again with
- 23:29the movie Inception and movies like Fight Club and all my
- 23:32favorite movies and books I turned into hypnotherapy
- 23:35sessions. But instead of just sending them
- 23:38the audio, I sent them a link to my podcast that trained the
- 23:41algorithm. And then suddenly my podcast was
- 23:44getting in front of other people.
- 23:47So it went from, in the early days, I was getting like 5 or 10
- 23:50downloads a day. These days I get about 15,000
- 23:53downloads a day. But it came from being a
- 23:58creative outlet but also sharing real hypnosis sessions, but in
- 24:04that very confidential way. So now it's become this
- 24:07wonderful cycle where most of my clients learn about me through
- 24:12the podcast. And then that generates more
- 24:15clients, which generates more podcast sessions, which generate
- 24:18more clients. So it's, it's, it's been a
- 24:21wonderful thing. And I think now I know that
- 24:25there's two key audiences. The, the first audience is
- 24:28people that can resonate with the issue that I worked with
- 24:32someone else. It's become free therapy for
- 24:35them. They can't sleep, so they put
- 24:38sleep hypnosis on Spotify and then my face comes up and they
- 24:41listen to it. So that might be an issue.
- 24:44And then the other is hypnotherapist.
- 24:45And I think the nature of hypnotherapy is that it happens
- 24:49behind closed doors and nobody really knows what the hypnotist
- 24:53is actually doing with the client.
- 24:56So I become a way for other hypnotherapists to say, right,
- 25:00what does a hypnosis session about, you know, childhood
- 25:03trauma look like? And they can find that.
- 25:05They can have a listen the way it's just my way, but they get a
- 25:09frame of reference and they can say, well, I agree with 70% of
- 25:12that, but I would have done this different.
- 25:14But that's still more helpful than having no frame of
- 25:16reference. So it's it's kind of the average
- 25:19person that wants to find a solution.
- 25:22Plus other hypnotherapist that tend to listen to the the show,
- 25:26yes. It's great, it's great.
- 25:28So you're going to I'm going to see you in person in, in just a
- 25:33couple of days at at mid America, at Mid America
- 25:36conference, right? Hypnosis conference right here.
- 25:40Everybody's going to go get a ticket right here.
- 25:42hypnosisconference.org, right, just right here.
- 25:46That's the, that's the OK, don't do that.
- 25:49OK, just that here's the, here's the link and you, everybody's
- 25:55going to get their package, whether it's the first level,
- 25:57second level or third level. That's an all pass, all access
- 26:02pass anyway. You have access to all three
- 26:05days, but with the next level you have additional and
- 26:09additional benefits. And if you cannot afford this,
- 26:13definitely go for this because it is well, well worth it.
- 26:16And we are going to be packed. We going to have pre comforts
- 26:22workshops every day Friday, Saturday, Sunday we have a lunch
- 26:26buffet where you are still staying in facility and get to
- 26:32talk to to people and spend more time.
- 26:35Oh, and the lunch hour now it's an hour and a half, which is a
- 26:38fantastic opportunity because you get to talk to more people
- 26:42as opposed to driving somewhere waiting for the food.
- 26:45No, just right there on on the spot.
- 26:48But then Friday night, if we if we just going to be packed with
- 26:52fun. Friday night we're going to have
- 26:54the hypno friends feud game. Let me tell you, last year we
- 26:58got a little naughty. This is a place you want to be
- 27:03at. Then on Saturday we get the red
- 27:06carpet gala, comedy, hypnosis show and dancing and also you
- 27:13will have a unique opportunity to learn from Doctor Bandler and
- 27:17Shay's huge. Although I'm a huge personality.
- 27:20But most important, you're going to go to the schedule right here
- 27:24to the. Schedule and.
- 27:26You're going to locate Adam Cox on Saturday.
- 27:30See, each day has a different colour.
- 27:33So on Saturday you're going to join his presentation right here
- 27:38at at right after lunch. They go right after lunch after
- 27:43you chat, spend some time chatting with him and other
- 27:46people come in at 1:30 on Saturday to meet Adam to join
- 27:51his class on 4D hypnosis time, space and a subconscious mind.
- 27:57And then right here. If you click on here on this
- 27:59link then you'll get his his speakers page you going to.
- 28:10But you get to learn more. About his presentation, get them
- 28:14a better sense in addition to what he already presented of
- 28:18what he's going to present and much more about learning about
- 28:23Adam. So, Adam, I look forward to, to
- 28:27seeing you in just, I mean, just just a couple of more days,
- 28:33yeah. It's very, very soon.
- 28:34Yeah. I I fly.
- 28:35Out on on Thursday. And yeah, it's going to be, I've
- 28:39never been to this this conference, but I hear it's it's
- 28:42very good. And Rich seems to have done an
- 28:43amazing job at putting together something very fun.
- 28:46So I think it's going to be great.
- 28:48Oh, this is the conference. OK, this is the this is the
- 28:51longest team losses conference in the United States and the
- 28:55most fun. I'm going to all the
- 28:58conferences. I love them all but this one and
- 29:01it's just packed with fun and it's packed with camaraderie
- 29:04too. So it's it's a very.
- 29:07Important aspect and what what Rich Gatsi is doing he keeps
- 29:11saying he's taken over the entire hotel and this is also
- 29:15going to be a cruise ship on land but yeah yeah you don't
- 29:18need you don't need to leave the hotel anymore don't even don't
- 29:21even rent a car from if you're flying in just get an Uber or a
- 29:25Lyft or or whichever mode of transportation you want and then
- 29:29that's all you need because lunch is on well there is a
- 29:33restaurant in the hotel so you have breakfast lunch and dinner
- 29:36all in in the same place with all of these wonderful people
- 29:41the the the hypnotists are so this is exciting very exciting
- 29:46and I look forward to seeing you in person Adam yeah likewise
- 29:50yeah it's. Going to be good, all right.
- 29:56Welcome to the. Hypnotist.
- 29:58I'm Adam Cox and today I'm not going to be your hypnotist.
- 30:02I'm joined by a guest hypnotist and that is Carmen Salchuk.
- 30:06Carmen, welcome to the show. Thank you, Adam.
- 30:09Thank you for. Having me on your show.
- 30:11Great to have you here. So I'm always curious how
- 30:14hypnotherapists become hypnotherapists.
- 30:17So what was your background? How did you get into this world
- 30:19of hypnosis and hypnotherapy? That's an.
- 30:23That's an. Interesting question.
- 30:26I've have had stress reduction. I've experienced a lot of past
- 30:33life regression. Many years ago I wasn't going to
- 30:35be hypnotized. Nobody was going to get in my
- 30:38head. Yeah, the mentality they.
- 30:41Don't have many years ago, right.
- 30:43And but then I have a lot of past life regressions, a lot of
- 30:46them for about two years, like every other week for about two
- 30:49years. And they were phenomenal.
- 30:52And that's, it wasn't the beginning, but there was a good
- 30:57at the same time. At the same time, I don't know
- 30:59how to meditate with binaural beat.
- 31:01And then it, it became easy. And through me practicing all of
- 31:07this journey and then meditation because journeying just came
- 31:11natural to me. That's how I learned what
- 31:14hypnosis is all about. And when you?
- 31:18Discovered hypnosis. It sounds like you're on the
- 31:20receiving end of lots of past life regression.
- 31:23I, I love past life regression. I tend to look at it as a
- 31:26metaphor to kind of find breakthroughs rather than, you
- 31:30know, we've got this kind of karmic life.
- 31:32What's your belief system about past life regression and what
- 31:36insights did you get you know, in these past lives?
- 31:41Well, my. Past life regression I, I do, I
- 31:45do all chemical regression with my clients.
- 31:47So there's all kinds of regression like, you know, age
- 31:50regression, chemical regression, past life regression, past life
- 31:58regression as as in how people understand best life regression
- 32:01is to go in the past and find out the source of your
- 32:05difficulties here in life. It's not, it's not what people
- 32:10think to be. If the subconscious is not ready
- 32:13to trouble back, then nothing is going to happen.
- 32:18It's what I'm experiencing with, with my clients.
- 32:21Me, on the other hand, with a ton of curiosity and being very
- 32:28assured that nobody was going to get in my head.
- 32:32It was very important to. Me, I travelled and I've
- 32:36travelled to 1800s, fourteen hundreds, 1200s, but two
- 32:41actually, no, it wasn't anything.
- 32:43Every journey that I had in the past life regression where few.
- 32:48Hundreds. Years ago it was a lot of
- 32:52interesting movies. And were there any kind?
- 32:57Of commonalities in in those past lives that were similar in
- 33:02all of them Not not. Right away it wasn't like one
- 33:06from from one to another. It was no commonality.
- 33:08But now when I look back 25 years later, I I see the
- 33:15patterns of what my subconscious was trying to tell me and now I
- 33:21understand it. And because of this experience,
- 33:26because let me let me address this at that time, I want to
- 33:33make a difficulty better. This past life regression didn't
- 33:38help with that, right? Of course, subconscious learn a
- 33:42lot and, and it processed a lot and it did what it need to what
- 33:46it was a lot of fun, right? But it did not make my
- 33:50difficulty better. So what what I deal with with
- 33:54the clients that they ask for regression?
- 33:57I explained to them the same thing here and.
- 34:01Also I explained to them. That if the subconscious is not
- 34:04ready to go there is not gonna is not gonna go there.
- 34:06But now what I do with the clients, especially with trauma,
- 34:10when I do regression, I do alchemical regression.
- 34:14So in this age, aggression, past life, it doesn't matter where
- 34:19the subconscious is going to arrive.
- 34:20That's what it's going to arrive.
- 34:22Whether it's age or whether it's past life.
- 34:25Then especially with trauma, when we get there and I am, both
- 34:32of us have an intention and make a commitment to the subconscious
- 34:36to allow us to. As far as the subconscious, it's
- 34:40ready to process. Very important to not.
- 34:45Push anything and and then when we get there, whatever the
- 34:50subconscious reveals reveals if it I direct, I guide the the
- 34:56client, the Pentagon, what they see, what they experience, what
- 35:01the colors, the whatever is there.
- 35:06Well, it took a lot of training. But I hear if.
- 35:11I can put it in this. Words where the subconscious
- 35:13needs to go for that particular work that we're working on on
- 35:18that day. And based on that, then I guide
- 35:22the client to make things happen, to alchemize we are
- 35:27transmuting experiences, right? So at at the time you are
- 35:34transmitting experiences right there.
- 35:35Neuroscience, the hippocampus, right?
- 35:38So many talk about the amygdala, but it's not just the amygdala.
- 35:41All of the stories, all of the events that we've gone through
- 35:44life, they register in the hippocampus.
- 35:47So the hippocampus is a sort of the memory, right And.
- 35:53Those heavy. Layers.
- 35:54If you push the subconscious too much that is going you guide it
- 35:59towards a layer that's a little deeper that is not ready to to
- 36:04unveil, then you're going to cause more trauma.
- 36:07So. As a.
- 36:08Subconscious and you get feedback from the client because
- 36:11it's a conversation. You get feedback from a client
- 36:15based on what they see, what they what they when.
- 36:20You tell them to do. Something whether that is
- 36:23happening or not happening and their body communicates and if
- 36:30something is happening good, then we go.
- 36:32You have to be able to pivot at at at any time with that.
- 36:36But magic happens with us because, you know.
- 36:40Hypnosis and. Experience experiences have
- 36:44marked us through life without experiences, but not marked
- 36:49which is happy go lucky. Not, not exactly.
- 36:54But through this alchemical regression that the client has
- 36:59an opportunity to have that memory extracted, so to speak,
- 37:05from the hippocampus. So now, OK, OK.
- 37:11Now we're not going to do accounting right now to see how
- 37:15many times the memory needs to be extracted.
- 37:19But it's it's it's magical. It's magical.
- 37:22So all of these layers subconscious eventually would
- 37:26let us work with with and with that.
- 37:30Yeah. So to go back to your question
- 37:34on past life regression, it's not for everybody.
- 37:37And if you just want to go visit something, if you want to do it
- 37:41for fun and go, I had clients that they just want to go see.
- 37:46I said, OK, that's what we're going to do.
- 37:48You look at I'm not going to, we're not going to alchemize
- 37:50anything. And many of them did not go past
- 37:54their childhood, right. But I like to caution every past
- 38:00life regression practitioner in that experience as.
- 38:18Experience. I am right here.
- 38:28All right, I. Am right here I didn't go
- 38:30anywhere we. We, we lost you for a second
- 38:34there, I didn't think on anything.
- 38:37No worries. I, I always think with, with
- 38:39past life progression, how I, there's two circumstances that I
- 38:43think is really useful. And that is that if the client
- 38:47has some kind of issue and has no idea where it's from, then
- 38:51going into a past life becomes a way to kind of bridge a theme
- 38:55from a past life which feels safe into their, their real
- 38:59life. Or if the cause perhaps is too
- 39:03traumatic and and too emotive, they don't really want to
- 39:08experience that as a memory, but they can find a parallel in a
- 39:12past life. And I don't know if you ever saw
- 39:15ATV show from the 1990s called Quantum Leap, but the premise,
- 39:20the premise of of that is that it kind of jumps into a first
- 39:24person perspective and what he does in that person's life
- 39:29changes the trajectory of that life.
- 39:32He kind of rights are wrong. And I think at some level that's
- 39:35the kind of premise of some form of past life regression that
- 39:40actually you either extract some wisdom or you change the history
- 39:44or the outcome in a past life. And the connotation is that it
- 39:47ripples through space and time into the reality of that
- 39:51individual. And I couldn't care less if it's
- 39:56just like a dreamlike experience where it's being created
- 39:59generatively as they experience it, or there actually was a past
- 40:04life which it would be impossible to prove.
- 40:06What matters is does it help the client or not?
- 40:10What kind of clients do you find past life regression is really
- 40:13useful for? I particularly a lot of trauma,
- 40:19definitely, but I personally would like to differentiate
- 40:22between past life and regression and alchemical progression.
- 40:26Not everybody will travel in in past life and subconscious it's
- 40:29not ready to go there. And if a practitioner is not
- 40:33careful enough to take to take a client into a past life
- 40:37regression with the hopes of finding what was the cause of of
- 40:42their trauma today, you it, it might backfire on you because
- 40:47the subconscious is not ready to go there.
- 40:50And one of the reason is that in this life, so much has happened.
- 40:54The subconsciousness is like think of layers of the onion or
- 40:57think of having to the the same Jack than you over and over,
- 41:02like 20 jackets over. So if the client has to go to to
- 41:0620 layers of onion, 20 jackets they carry, then if you want to
- 41:11go straight 200 years ago, subconscious is going to say no
- 41:15thank you. I already we have lots to lots
- 41:18issues to identify in here to work with before I go there.
- 41:24So it's not again it's not for everybody.
- 41:26Yeah, I agree. I agree.
- 41:29It's and and and also it requires the client to be more
- 41:32open minded. Some clients aren't, aren't kind
- 41:35of like willing to kind of entertain the idea of kind of
- 41:37past lives and, and that kind of stuff.
- 41:39But it, it's, it's a tool within the toolkit.
- 41:43I can see lots of books behind you.
- 41:46Clearly you're, you're an author that's kind of published lots of
- 41:49ideas and, and, and kind of systems.
- 41:53Tell us about fearfulness. What, what's that about?
- 41:56And where did the idea come from?
- 41:59Adam, thank you for asking. Fearfulness is the system that
- 42:03I've been developing for the past 12 years.
- 42:06It is feel fullness. The I coined the term
- 42:11fearfulness. It's not in a dictionary, It's
- 42:13just yet the spell check, it's not catching up, not even at my
- 42:16end just yet. But if you think of mindfulness,
- 42:23feel fullness, right? So in mindfulness, I've had a
- 42:30lot of past life regression. I have a lot of meditation.
- 42:32My, my, I, I was already expanding my, my consciousness
- 42:36when I, when I was introduced, when I arrived at at
- 42:41mindfulness. So in mindfulness, so many gurus
- 42:45and so many teachers, they said you have to feel it in order to
- 42:50have it happen. You have to feel it.
- 42:52And for the longest time, I would go, yeah, yeah, that's
- 42:54right, because I knew how to feel it right.
- 42:57And after a while I realized that they tell you what to do,
- 43:02but they didn't tell you how. And then I, I kept paying
- 43:05attention to it. Specifically, I would, I would
- 43:08go to this particular big names and no, they would not tell you
- 43:14how. And then I got insulted.
- 43:17My knowledge got insulted, my intelligence got insulted.
- 43:20And I said no, no, I know how to feel a feeling by choice.
- 43:25So at that time I was already I, I was already in few years in,
- 43:32in teaching students how to feel a feeling by choice, how to do
- 43:35fearfulness. And then when I got insulted.
- 43:42I it occurred. To me that I need to make this
- 43:45bigger than just just a few practices within my circle and,
- 43:50and with, with my students. So I writing the book and
- 43:56fearfulness. It was extremely difficult.
- 43:58It's, it's still 12 years in making, But what I did with the
- 44:01with the books, first I, I wrote this creating is and then I
- 44:07wrote this creating is itself. Then creating is at work and
- 44:12then creating. This is the creating is at at
- 44:16work. This is creating is at
- 44:18relationships and this is a trilogy and creating is is it's
- 44:23not easy is a state of being. It's it's a way of life, it's
- 44:27flow and what I've done with fearfulness.
- 44:31I introduce the thought filling practices in with creating these
- 44:35books and I was already teaching it.
- 44:39It was hard to find the words for it, but somehow this I
- 44:46surprised myself. I, I found them and the feedback
- 44:50I got from the people that read the books was surprisingly good.
- 44:56But I it surprised me that people got it.
- 45:00It surprised me that people actually did the the thought
- 45:03feelings. A few people would just stop at
- 45:06the breeding techniques. But then if you go in to feel
- 45:10the feeling, because, yeah, there are five laws in creating
- 45:14is, and each of the law takes you to feel a feeling by choice.
- 45:19Not feel whatever you want, not feel good, just this is the
- 45:25feeling you're going to attain right now and this is how you're
- 45:27going to do it. So there was the guidance.
- 45:30And then on paper, it's good enough on paper.
- 45:34But then also I recorded audio 'cause I started audio, you
- 45:38know, voice, the feedback I got from people it, it was just
- 45:42amazing. So then I worked, I wrote the
- 45:46creating use at work, which it was just, I should have wrote
- 45:49that before. It was just easier because I
- 45:52worked in, in a corporate at a time.
- 45:55And there was a, a specific terminology for the core, which
- 45:58is it just wrote itself, right. So many rapport, so many with
- 46:03all of the big decision makers. And then the creating is that
- 46:07relationship needed to happen. But so I did that 2014 and now
- 46:12I'm at the 3rd edition. I needed to, I needed to get the
- 46:173rd edition because today we need to the way life goes today
- 46:23and the way things are specifying what something is and
- 46:30it's not, it's a, it's a requirement today, so.
- 46:35I needed to update. This to to this to this
- 46:38requirement and I actually condensed the book.
- 46:41I made them a tidbit shorter so. Not to scare.
- 46:46The reader. Oh my God, that three books.
- 46:48Well, it's three books, but so 5 flaws from the perspective of
- 46:54you, the individual itself, from the perspective of at work, you,
- 46:58the individual at work and then at relationship.
- 47:02Because there are three aspects and they're, they're all,
- 47:05they're all part of your identity.
- 47:08But then you do this aspect differently.
- 47:13So I'm going to. Guess what?
- 47:15I, what I think the parallel will be fulfill fullness.
- 47:20And you let me know if I'm on the right track because you're,
- 47:22you're the author of this system.
- 47:24So how I think of mindfulness is having sensory acuity to real
- 47:29things that you can experience with your senses.
- 47:32So it might be a smell, it might be a taste, it might be
- 47:35something you could observe and it's being fully in the present
- 47:38and, and being aware of those things.
- 47:41What I think, and correct me if I'm wrong here, that fearfulness
- 47:45is that same level of sensory acuity but for internal emotions
- 47:51and feelings. And, and I think the average
- 47:53person isn't very good at being able to describe things like
- 47:58anxiety compared to excitement or happiness compared to joy or
- 48:01bliss. And what I think it is, is that
- 48:03same level of mindfulness, sensory acuity, but with
- 48:07kinesthetic feelings and then evolving that to being very
- 48:12intentional about saying, right, I want to feel this way and then
- 48:16being able to create that state. Have I got the right idea or am
- 48:19I completely off track here? You know you, you're.
- 48:22On a road you're on a right Rd. but there's more together.
- 48:26I would completely take out the word saying because this is an
- 48:32evolution. What and nobody knows and unless
- 48:36I I present this this to them. Cognition.
- 48:41You. You.
- 48:42Mentioned cognition and here in in the system OK, fearfulness
- 48:46fearfulness it's a meta conscious design system in
- 48:51therapy with the methodologies right so it I'm going to I'm
- 48:56going to get back to the well, let me let me give you this
- 48:58elements it it it has a few elements in it meta cognition,
- 49:04meta emotion and neural. Language.
- 49:10So metacognition, thinking about it, metacognition as a increase
- 49:18sense of equity, it's not doing it justice.
- 49:22Yeah, it is that, but it is on steroids, right?
- 49:26It's light years ahead. And then meta emotion has to do
- 49:31with choosing what you feel, right?
- 49:34So it's a whole lot of intention, but you need meta
- 49:37cognition in order to do meta emotion.
- 49:39And then to feel a feeling by choice also, you need this
- 49:42neural language. And it's not linguistics, it's
- 49:47neural language. One word speaks of an
- 49:51experience. Right.
- 49:55And I'm. Not talking about warm, hot or
- 49:58cold, that's similar. One more speaks to an identity
- 50:04level experience. And this is where this.
- 50:08Is where the the beauty of fearfulness comes in.
- 50:11It re architects and re architects your identity.
- 50:17Right, but. To go back to what you just
- 50:21said, a lot of people don't know what they feel.
- 50:23They cannot articulate what they feel well.
- 50:27I'm. Finding.
- 50:28Out that even a lot of professionals they don't know
- 50:30what identity is. So it surprises.
- 50:34Me. So what is?
- 50:37Identity. Identity is who you are and what
- 50:41moves through. You would you say that's a
- 50:45belief? Of who people are, because I
- 50:48think sometimes with identity, who people are depends on the
- 50:51context. So they might have multiple
- 50:53identities to different contexts.
- 50:55They might say I'm a parent, I'm a partner, it's a professional,
- 51:00yeah, it's a role that's a mask. No think.
- 51:03Think of think of Carl Jung. Everybody should get more
- 51:07familiar with Carl Jung. Carl Jung, the process of
- 51:10individuation. He defined the self as roles,
- 51:15personas, masks, shadow, anima, animos and then individuate and
- 51:20put them all all together coming to to your center.
- 51:24So what what you were describing are personas.
- 51:28So like when when I wrote the the trilogy as the identity for
- 51:33yourself, the identity you present, it's you at work or at
- 51:38relationship. These are your roles.
- 51:40They are part of your identity. But it's not the identity, the
- 51:44title. Your title is not your identity.
- 51:47Your passport ID card, the the number you have is not your
- 51:51identity. It you, it helps you being
- 51:54identified in society, but that's not who you are.
- 52:00So who are you and what moves through you?
- 52:06So that's a whole. Lot that happens there so is
- 52:10going to take care of it. Go ahead.
- 52:12You were going to say something I was going to say at.
- 52:14Some level everyone has a belief as to who they are and.
- 52:20And. The great thing about beliefs
- 52:22as, as we know as hypnotherapists is that beliefs
- 52:25can change. So if someone has a belief that
- 52:28who they are as a role or a persona, then you can change
- 52:32that belief, you know, to something more, more useful.
- 52:37And I would say so many people do take their profession or
- 52:40their, their persona as their core identity.
- 52:44The wonderful thing is if, if that isn't useful for them, you
- 52:48change that one belief and it can change their entire outlook
- 52:51on life. It can change so many things
- 52:53because it's so it's so central. It kind of ripples out to to
- 52:57everything. When you're helping people
- 52:59discover their identity, how do you how do you do that?
- 53:04Is that through questions? Is that through introspection
- 53:07and you and you get them to kind of discover because I imagine
- 53:11most people don't don't really know who they are.
- 53:14Yes. But let me let me go back to
- 53:17what the filthiness system is. So you understand discovering
- 53:20someone's identity. Identity is a complex system and
- 53:26is it's who, who you have been thus far and who you're going to
- 53:32become and who you choose to be. And, and you generate your re
- 53:35architect identity, beliefs and values.
- 53:39They're part of it and they're easy to change and they are
- 53:42going to be changed by themselves without you having an
- 53:46intention to change a belief just by working with with a
- 53:49neural language. But neuroscience, I'm fascinated
- 53:54by neuroscience. Neuroscience now is giving us so
- 53:56many answers as to what's happening with our experiences,
- 54:01even with our spiritual experiences.
- 54:04Now the scientists can pinpoint exactly what parts of the brain
- 54:09are being engaged, which we didn't have that before.
- 54:14We didn't have with William James in 1800.
- 54:16We didn't have with Carly Jung in early. 1920 or.
- 54:24Or so and to have the neuroscience now give us
- 54:28tangible something tangible so we can understand the that
- 54:32spiritual experiences do something to the brain that this
- 54:36past life regression and this hypnosis that all of these
- 54:39experiences when we are whether in trans or whether meditating
- 54:43or whether journey is doing something to our brain is just
- 54:47it's I love and I love seeing that the science is is giving
- 54:52this giving us this this tangible aspect.
- 54:57But in within the neuroscience, there is a neuroscience of
- 54:59thoughts, beliefs and values. Yeah, so feel freeness also goes
- 55:03over the neuroscience of emotions, right.
- 55:06Neuroscience of feelings. Now English language is one of
- 55:10the most wonderful languages that are on on a planet.
- 55:14But there are few places that the English language lacks.
- 55:19And feeling is an emotion. It's where English language
- 55:22lacks. It's English speaking people
- 55:27have not been thought to use emotion for an emotion and
- 55:31feeling for a feeling. They're always interpolated in
- 55:36my language. For example, I'm Romanian, Latin
- 55:38language, we have a, a word for emotion and a different word for
- 55:42a feeling and an additional 3 or 4 words that can describe a
- 55:45combination of that. English doesn't have that.
- 55:49That's OK. I, I am, I am specifying that in
- 55:53here that feelings are different than emotion, right?
- 55:57And so in in a nutshell, and an emotion 30 seconds, if it lasts
- 56:0360 seconds and too much 15, not even 15 seconds.
- 56:07And emotion, it's explosive comes and go, right?
- 56:11It's thought provoked or or. It's thought provoked.
- 56:19Right. A feeling is not always.
- 56:23It's not an explosion. An emotion can transform into a
- 56:29feeling, but a feeling has an attribute of existence.
- 56:35With it. An emotion comes and go.
- 56:38Feeling you generate a state of being, and a state of being has
- 56:43to do with existence, of how you exist.
- 56:47See existence again, it's a word that is not used as much in in
- 56:52English as I'm. I'm used to using this word in
- 56:56in in Romania. So something exists, or it
- 56:58doesn't exist, or you can make it exist, or you bring it into
- 57:02into an existence. And I imagine this is one of.
- 57:06The things you're going to be talking at at the Mid America
- 57:09conference is this system that you've created elaborate more on
- 57:14what we could expect for anyone that's going to be there in in
- 57:17Chicago actually kind of hearing your talk what can they expect
- 57:20yes so at. At this conference, I'm going to
- 57:22talk about identity architecture of the self, you and your client
- 57:28as at as as as therapist. OK, let let me go to this other
- 57:33sentence in my all of my journeys, some of the the what
- 57:40I've studied and observe, if a therapeutic intervention has not
- 57:45arrived at the self, that therapeutic intervention is not
- 57:49complete. It might be a technique, but
- 57:52it's not that they are building an invention and arriving at a
- 57:56self. It it's, it's, it's a journey,
- 58:01right? So many, especially in in.
- 58:07OK, I'm not going to go there. OK, so many professionals have
- 58:12techniques and modalities and they work.
- 58:14They work marvels. They do something to the beliefs
- 58:18and the values that it brings cognition to to the client into
- 58:24brings them into their expanded realization and they can choose
- 58:27something about themselves, right?
- 58:29Well, identity work is needed and it's not needed just for the
- 58:36for the client, it's needed for the therapist.
- 58:39So going back to Carl Jung, even Carl Jung cautioned us that if
- 58:43you as a therapist have not healed your wounds, then be
- 58:49careful and what kind of therapy you administer to the client.
- 58:54And he's talking about the wounded healer.
- 58:56So I would say 99% of therapists are wounded healers and it this
- 59:02is, this is all unconscious. It's not intentional.
- 59:05I mean, all therapists have good intentions, right?
- 59:08But we need to become aware of what sits in our identity, what
- 59:14moves through through us. Because a wound that has been,
- 59:18that hasn't been. Addressed that.
- 59:21Hasn't been removed from the hippocampus is still going to
- 59:25move through you and then pass through the client also at the
- 59:30same at the same effect client's wound it's going to move through
- 59:35you and if your wound is not it's not finalized, it's not
- 59:39removed from the hippocampus and then there's transference and
- 59:42then there's there's no coherence.
- 59:45So don't get me wrong, a lot of healing happens, but.
- 59:50We need a bit. We need a good amount of
- 59:53disinfectant there. Infected neural language.
- 1:00:00Perfect. So, people.
- 1:00:01Seeing you in in Chicago can expect to to learn some of those
- 1:00:05kind of approaches. They can actually kind of help
- 1:00:08people figure out how to reveal and and make changes at the
- 1:00:13identity level. Yeah.
- 1:00:15So what what I'm going? To do at this, at this position,
- 1:00:18I'm going to, to present what the self is and all of these
- 1:00:23different parts of the self. And I'm going to talk a little
- 1:00:27bit about the neuroscience. And right now I'm going to take
- 1:00:30more than not even 30 seconds. It's what's fascinating to me
- 1:00:34that the neuroscience of emotions, like it has a
- 1:00:37trajectory in a, in a brain. It's about, let's see, it's
- 1:00:40about this this long, the trajectory.
- 1:00:43Think about how much you're driving neuroscience of
- 1:00:45feelings. It's about this long.
- 1:00:48So that tells. Us that when you have a feeling,
- 1:00:55the brain lights up in more areas, including the prefrontal
- 1:00:58cortex into the evolved brain. So the evolved brain, the
- 1:01:02prefrontal cortex, it's where you have the executive function.
- 1:01:05We have choice. So we we want to be aware of it
- 1:01:10and, and, and continue to, to be cognizant of emotion being
- 1:01:16different than a feeling. And so after.
- 1:01:20After I'll do I'll do this go over the neural language.
- 1:01:25Neural language is very important.
- 1:01:26If we know that words are the the heavy words can destroy or
- 1:01:33or build a person, right? So carefully chosen words, it's
- 1:01:40what it's, it's one of the the basis of of of fearfulness.
- 1:01:46When, when you do fearfulness, when you practice fearfulness,
- 1:01:49when you have the minister fearfulness for the client to to
- 1:01:53feel differently. But then the scope of this is to
- 1:02:00generate a state of being. We generate states of being
- 1:02:03throughout the all the time, but we don't, it's unconscious and
- 1:02:07they're not the right kind, right?
- 1:02:10So like you have a plant and then you don't water the plant
- 1:02:13and it dies or you water too much or too little, or you give
- 1:02:17it milk instead of water. It's very, it's very important
- 1:02:21what kind of states of being regenerate.
- 1:02:23So then you as a, as a practitioner will learn how to
- 1:02:29generate a state of being. Well, first for you, you, you
- 1:02:34can't just OK, let me learn how to generate a state of being for
- 1:02:37my client. OK, hold on a second.
- 1:02:39Because we need to go to high school first, right?
- 1:02:42So you learn how to generate a state of being.
- 1:02:45I'm going to walk you through it in in a little bit.
- 1:02:47And once you have multiple experiences to generating
- 1:02:52multiple states of being there, there's so there is a subtle
- 1:02:56difference between them and the same state of being a generating
- 1:03:00today that you need to generate a similar state of being for
- 1:03:03tomorrow with the exact same neural words.
- 1:03:05There's going to be some subtle differences between them, and
- 1:03:08that's all right. And so once.
- 1:03:12We generated a state of being. We learn to then generate the
- 1:03:17therapeutic state of being. Now that's complex.
- 1:03:22That's, that's an advanced skill.
- 1:03:24Well, metacognition, it's an advanced skill, but you can get
- 1:03:27to it, which I don't know, not even 4 hours of my training.
- 1:03:32Metacognition is that you'll get to it.
- 1:03:34This, that's an exercise that you will repeat and, and you
- 1:03:38will get into what I call simultaneous time.
- 1:03:42And, and you can, you earlier talked about time travel and you
- 1:03:46can not just equate it, but you'll get into, into a
- 1:03:50simultaneous time where everything exists at the same
- 1:03:52place. It's, it's, this is five fifth
- 1:03:55dimension for me. But the where you, how you
- 1:03:58allocate your attention is to what's needed for you in that
- 1:04:03moment, but having the wisdom of everything that surrounds you
- 1:04:07and what is the need in that particular moment, right?
- 1:04:11So it takes a while to arrive there.
- 1:04:14OK. So once you learn to generate a
- 1:04:17therapeutic state of being, then then you as a therapist learn
- 1:04:22how to transfer this therapeutic consciousness pure.
- 1:04:28Creation. And nothing physical.
- 1:04:31We have so many created a physical, but before physical,
- 1:04:34before physic, there was metaphysic.
- 1:04:37So there was an intention and a feeling and and and attention to
- 1:04:42create something. So now we go to create this
- 1:04:46therapeutic consciousness not only reaches us as a as a
- 1:04:50clients, but we transferred this to the client by the simple.
- 1:04:57Simple element. Of the, the mirror neurons,
- 1:05:01well, we transfer mirror neurons, they pick always pick
- 1:05:04up something from the other person.
- 1:05:06It's a mechanism. But when you make that
- 1:05:08intentional and Oh my God, and then that's magic, it's magical.
- 1:05:14But also when you when you transfer therapeutic
- 1:05:18consciousness, and only by the sheer fact that you generate
- 1:05:22therapeutic state of being. The.
- 1:05:27Collective unconscious gets populated with this therapy
- 1:05:31would take yumminess and humanity evolves.
- 1:05:39Amazing. It sounds fascinating.
- 1:05:41I'm I'm excited to kind of learn more about it for, for the
- 1:05:45audience listening right now. Is there a demonstration or some
- 1:05:50kind of hypnosis experience that they could get a taste of, of
- 1:05:54what this is all about? Absolutely.
- 1:05:56I I love. I love doing this.
- 1:05:58So we're going to, we're going to do a little bit of, of
- 1:06:01metacognition and, and meta emotion.
- 1:06:04And although this may be big words, I'm going to take you
- 1:06:07through some very simple words, but I want everybody to
- 1:06:10understand that this simplicity is highly significant.
- 1:06:15Nobody ever learned to work by sitting down.
- 1:06:20So. When we walk, we have to put the
- 1:06:22foot in front of the other and it's significant right now it's
- 1:06:26it's no big deal with walking, but at some point we need to do
- 1:06:29that. So I would invite your.
- 1:06:34Audience to. Just find a comfortable seat.
- 1:06:38This is not going to be a trans. I don't have to close their
- 1:06:41eyes. Actually, I would invite
- 1:06:43everybody to have their sit up straight just exactly like you
- 1:06:47did. Just be aware of what's
- 1:06:50happening. We're not going in trans, just
- 1:06:52not hypnosis. And if you wanna the the, if you
- 1:06:57have a tendency to slip into trans, you can do that later.
- 1:07:01But right now you just be aware of, of being aware.
- 1:07:05You're right here in the present time.
- 1:07:07You're you're sitting in a chair, You have the, the air
- 1:07:11around you, anything that's this tangible, you're just aware of
- 1:07:16where we're at. And you're probably describing
- 1:07:21quietly in your mind, at the back of your mind, what's going
- 1:07:26on. There are conversations we have
- 1:07:28in our head very often. Most of the time, you know, 99%
- 1:07:33of the time we have conversation in our hand.
- 1:07:35But if I tell you that there are 7 layers of thought and then and
- 1:07:41then if I invite you to go into the 4th, 5th and 6th layer where
- 1:07:46you begin to think with no words.
- 1:07:49Let's just be a better concept. Quite interesting and curious to
- 1:07:54just going to the 6th level of of thought.
- 1:07:57And in that layer of thought, what do you think without words?
- 1:08:02And I'm going to do this perfect.
- 1:08:04And nobody's asking for perfection.
- 1:08:08If you were to. Have your attention, not.
- 1:08:12To the sound. The sound is going to be there.
- 1:08:15Let the sound of my voice be where it's at without you having
- 1:08:19to go through it. So just the sound of my voice is
- 1:08:23there. You are in your body and your
- 1:08:26attention. Bring your attention close to
- 1:08:29your eyes. And as you bring your attention
- 1:08:32back to your eyes, it's a big deal because we process
- 1:08:36everything with our eyes and we think through our eyes and we go
- 1:08:40there to what we think and what's happening.
- 1:08:43So right now, we're just going to be in here and you're going
- 1:08:46to bring your attention back to your eyes.
- 1:08:49Just like that and. You're going to feel something
- 1:08:52that's going to be a sensation. A lot of people feel something
- 1:08:55on their chest first, the eyes. You're going to feel something
- 1:08:59that's all right, That's that's a there's a validation that you
- 1:09:03are bringing your attention point to around your eyes.
- 1:09:09And there's the. Shift very good.
- 1:09:12And then from behind you, from your eyes, I want you to bring
- 1:09:15your attention behind your eyes. Eyes open, just take your
- 1:09:19attention behind your eyes is going to be a little bit of
- 1:09:21pressure and maybe a a longer pressure on the chest and then a
- 1:09:26little bit pressure behind the eyes.
- 1:09:28That's all right. It's something we knew how to do
- 1:09:31this as children all the time. Somebody just took us off of it.
- 1:09:36So we need to come back. So just hold your attention
- 1:09:38right behind your eyes and then right there in in this having
- 1:09:44your attention behind your eyes. I might ask you to find a
- 1:09:49feeling of capable. And I say, oh, Corman, you don't
- 1:09:52know. I say, well, I do know.
- 1:09:53So are you are you breathing? Yeah, I'm breathing.
- 1:09:56Well, then you're capable. Oh, well, it's very significant
- 1:09:59breeding. It's a very significant aspect
- 1:10:03of existence without you. Not if you don't breathe and you
- 1:10:06don't exist. And what kind of capable would
- 1:10:08there be there? So let's be capable right now.
- 1:10:14But it's a little simple, OK. Well, OK, Well, what if you are
- 1:10:18to open and close the door? You open a door and close the
- 1:10:21door. Are you capable?
- 1:10:23Yeah. Yeah, I am capable.
- 1:10:24OK, then let's stay with that. Pretend, Right?
- 1:10:27But just pretending. It's not trans.
- 1:10:29It's just pretending. Pretending you open and close
- 1:10:31the door. Sure.
- 1:10:33I can do that. Very good.
- 1:10:34Very good. All right, so there is a there
- 1:10:37is a sensation that is a first there is a thought and then the
- 1:10:41feeling is like, well, I've been doing it all my life.
- 1:10:43You know what it is to feel about it.
- 1:10:45But there is something to feel about it because when you do it,
- 1:10:47there is a bit off of feeling. So let's just open and close.
- 1:10:51Are you capable? Sure, I'm capable, Right.
- 1:10:54And then I'm going to ask you to feel certain.
- 1:10:58I said, well, I'm certain. I said, well, yeah, certain.
- 1:11:01And I said, well, how do I do that?
- 1:11:03Well, if I'm going to ask you how many fingers you have on
- 1:11:05your on your hand, you're going to say 5.
- 1:11:07And I say, you sure? So you're 5.
- 1:11:09And I say you're sure, sure. yo-yo, look at this.
- 1:11:11They're five. There's certainty.
- 1:11:15So this feeling. Of certainty is a language that
- 1:11:19you going to automatically bring in when you are experiencing
- 1:11:25yourself throughout life. That feeling of capable.
- 1:11:29I can open or close the door. I've been doing it hundreds of
- 1:11:33times. There is a feeling to it.
- 1:11:37It is important. After a while you're going to
- 1:11:41bring it in intentionally as a feeling, not as a thought.
- 1:11:45You're going to inhabit that any moment and the circumstance you
- 1:11:50find yourself throughout the day.
- 1:11:52So have your attention behind your eyes again because as I
- 1:11:57talk about attention is so easy for the attention to just go to
- 1:12:02where the sound is. You think very good, very good.
- 1:12:05So just have your attention again behind your eyes.
- 1:12:09But a little bit of pressure, it's all right.
- 1:12:12And again, now you already know what the spill is.
- 1:12:16Find the feeling of capable much easier now, isn't it?
- 1:12:21Yeah. And then let's add the feeling
- 1:12:24of certain sure you have 5 fingers.
- 1:12:26Let's pretend we're not solving any problems right now.
- 1:12:30You cannot do this wrong. It is impossible to do it wrong.
- 1:12:35Unless you don't do. It I just fall asleep.
- 1:12:39Right, so no trans. No holding asleep.
- 1:12:41Just pretend. Have fun.
- 1:12:43You're going to feel it and then you're going to drop it.
- 1:12:44You're going to feel it and then you're going to drop it.
- 1:12:45You feel it and then you're going to drop it.
- 1:12:47You feel it and you're going to drop it.
- 1:12:48Your attention is going to be behind your eyes and then it's
- 1:12:51going to drop. And then it's going to be behind
- 1:12:53your eyes and it's it's going to keep moving.
- 1:12:55That's all right. We're just learning how to put
- 1:12:58the foot. In front of the other and look
- 1:13:00how wonderfully now as adults we we're walking just fine.
- 1:13:05So if I am going to ask you to find the feeling of happy, Oh
- 1:13:12well, just pretend at some point you're happy.
- 1:13:16Just you, you're happy to learn something new.
- 1:13:19Oh, OK, I'm happy about that. Good.
- 1:13:21So then pretend you're happy it has a different flavour.
- 1:13:26And maybe you're happy that you have a roof of your head.
- 1:13:32Oh, I'm happy about that. Well, let's just be happy you
- 1:13:35have a roof over your head, right?
- 1:13:37You're happy you have clean water.
- 1:13:39Oh, I forgot about it. Yeah, I'm happy you have clean
- 1:13:41water. And let's be happy over that and
- 1:13:44pretend you're happy. Right.
- 1:13:47So you have a feeling of being happy.
- 1:13:49This very simple but significant.
- 1:13:53Exercises, right? Here your attention is behind
- 1:13:56your eyes. You have a feeling of being
- 1:13:59happy. You feel that you've it's going
- 1:14:02to feel it and drop it, feel it doesn't matter again.
- 1:14:05You pick it up, you feel it, and then you bring back the feeling
- 1:14:09of capable. Very good you.
- 1:14:14See, you see the shift. I could even hear the shift, but
- 1:14:20you felt the shift and I'll bring the feeling of certain.
- 1:14:26Bigger shift, right? There so as you are capable,
- 1:14:30certain and happy continue to play with these feelings to
- 1:14:35intentionally feel these feelings as I'm going to say the
- 1:14:39couple of the next few sentences.
- 1:14:41So capable, certain, happy this create a triangle and this
- 1:14:45creates the platform. Have your attention behind your
- 1:14:49eyes, right. My words are still going to be
- 1:14:51there not going anywhere. Attention behind your eyes,
- 1:14:54capable, certain, happy. So as you are feeling this
- 1:14:58feelings, pretending or not pretending, it really doesn't
- 1:15:02matter. Every self, every identity has a
- 1:15:09very basics of of basic platform for their identity.
- 1:15:15Think of it as a house. A house has a platform that sits
- 1:15:19that the platform sits on the planet, and then that platform
- 1:15:23has pillars. Capable, certain and happy is
- 1:15:27the very basic platform. Attention behind eyes.
- 1:15:33Happy to be learning something new.
- 1:15:36Certain you have 5 fingers. Capable to open and close the
- 1:15:40door. Certain, little bit more
- 1:15:48certain. I'm doing this when you come on.
- 1:15:51A little bit certain and capable.
- 1:15:55You're definitely capable. Of being certain that you can
- 1:15:57pretend to be happy so as you feel doesn't capable again
- 1:16:07intentionally just pretend it will register something in the
- 1:16:11neuroscience it's at the the limbic system is going to love
- 1:16:16it because the limbic systems has been taken off the capable
- 1:16:20of certainly happy for how many years and the prefrontal court
- 1:16:23is going to say yes I love this give me more give me more
- 1:16:27absolutely somewhat capable certain happy prefrontal cortex
- 1:16:32loves it and it insular completely inhabited and basil
- 1:16:39ganglia will register at cognitive reinforcements happy
- 1:16:45Oh I like the certain 5 fingers oh sure I'm certain capable I'm
- 1:16:50capable you should not Carmen you should see you should see my
- 1:16:55capable show to me let me see you're capable right now I want
- 1:17:00to see you're capable feel. It I will.
- 1:17:03See. You're capable.
- 1:17:05I will feel it. This is a language.
- 1:17:08This is who you are. You are capable, you are certain
- 1:17:14you are happy. This is the very basic, the the
- 1:17:21first platform of who you are, who your identity, who you are
- 1:17:26in your identity. Everything else is just
- 1:17:30molecules around this. That's a beautiful shift.
- 1:17:39That's a beautiful shift. So it takes a little.
- 1:17:42Practice so we we need a little more than than tell for or 20
- 1:17:46minutes, but takes a little practice.
- 1:17:48So the idea, the basic idea is to see how I said the
- 1:17:53metacognition meta emotion there might be like fancy words.
- 1:17:57OK, so the basic idea is that you have your attention instead
- 1:18:01of having your attention over there to where the sound is or
- 1:18:04sometimes our thoughts are over there and we have our attention
- 1:18:08there. Just have your bring your
- 1:18:10attention back around your eyes. And there's always going to be
- 1:18:13some sort of sensation in in eyes.
- 1:18:16And all that is, is the focal length of the eyes.
- 1:18:19The muscles of your eyes adjust just like if, if if you are to
- 1:18:24take your finger there and then bring your finger here and look
- 1:18:26at it. You will feel that in the muscle
- 1:18:29of the eyes. The similar sensation with the
- 1:18:32muscle of your eyes you will have when you allocate your
- 1:18:36attention, attention point. So you bring it back and of
- 1:18:40course going to be that in present time, like that quake,
- 1:18:45which this happens by, it's a side effect.
- 1:18:49It's a good side effect, right? And then as you have your
- 1:18:53attention there at the beginning, going to drop in and
- 1:18:55then bring it back and then drop in and bring it.
- 1:18:57That's all right. We all learn how to walk.
- 1:19:00We walked and that we walked and that's a natural flow of
- 1:19:06learning how to how to do something different, right.
- 1:19:10And then with well, certain and happy you pretend there.
- 1:19:15Are moments drop? They when you really don't feel
- 1:19:18capable because you're so overwhelmed.
- 1:19:21You so have something to an issue you want to resolve and
- 1:19:26it's like I need stuff to resolve it.
- 1:19:30Yes, but you are capable of having the intention of of
- 1:19:36having you are willful. You are capable of having the
- 1:19:39willingness to change something so you nobody can ever run off.
- 1:19:46You can never have enough capable.
- 1:19:49Never run. Out of it.
- 1:19:50There was always something to be capable of technology.
- 1:19:53Or don't you get me started with technology.
- 1:19:57No, that's that's a really. Interesting kind of insight and
- 1:20:00obviously like you're saying, it's not trance, but.
- 1:20:03You know, just the the suggestions kind of get people
- 1:20:05into a very kind of suggestible kind of state for those people
- 1:20:11that want to see the talk. Obviously you're going to be mid
- 1:20:14America conference, as am I. We're going to put a link in the
- 1:20:18show notes. I think it's hypnosis
- 1:20:20conference.org is the address to go to.
- 1:20:22So check that out if you want to get last minute tickets for
- 1:20:26that. And where's the best website for
- 1:20:28people to learn more about you, Carmen?
- 1:20:31The best? Website for people to learn more
- 1:20:33about me would be feelfulness.org right there.
- 1:20:36This let me let me show you right over here Feelfulness.
- 1:20:42Dot org. Yeah, I'll show it to you.
- 1:20:44I'll check for that. We'll put that in the.
- 1:20:45Show notes as well. Yes, we're going to.
- 1:20:50Go right here at feelfulness.org and you you will learn a little
- 1:20:55bit about feelfulness is and what is and and what is not.
- 1:21:00And also this will address also filmness over here in our first
- 1:21:05page addresses the skepticism. There's every with anything new
- 1:21:12that comes in, especially the fifth one is being a system.
- 1:21:15It is being met with skepticism and that's all right.
- 1:21:20So this first page will address all of this.
- 1:21:22So give it give it the read. And then when you click on
- 1:21:26training, the training button will take you into a more
- 1:21:30precise an understanding of what feelfulness does.
- 1:21:35Brilliant So. Feelfulness.org and we'll make
- 1:21:37sure there's a link in the description so check that out.
- 1:21:41Carmen, it's been great to have you on the show today.
- 1:21:43Thank you for that experience and yeah, I will see you in
- 1:21:47Chicago in a few days time. And for you listening check out
- 1:21:50comments website. Carmen, thank you very much for
- 1:21:54joining me on the show today. Thank you, Adam, this.
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