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Lorelai, what is this? (A Year in the Life: Summer) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I Am all In. Let's you.
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  Speaker 2: I Am all In with Scott Patterson an iHeartRadio podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody Scott Patterson, I Am all In Podcast one of
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  Speaker 1: eleven productions iHeartRadio, iHeart Media, iHeart Podcast Summer Part two
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  Speaker 1: of the Netflix episodes in conjunction with Warner Brothers Pictures.
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  Speaker 3: IHeart Podcasts. Listen on the iHeartRadio app.
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  Speaker 1: I Am joined by my Intrepid Cruise. Suzanne French. Danielle
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  Speaker 1: Romo will be joining us, and I think Amy is
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  Speaker 1: is off on other responsibilities, so we're just gonna get
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  Speaker 1: dive right into it. I know we already had a
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  Speaker 1: long discussion about this, Amy and I did, and Susanne's
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  Speaker 1: going to take us through at Suzanne.
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  Speaker 4: I will do that, thank you. So just to jump
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  Speaker 4: right in. So the opening is at the stars Hollow pool.
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  Speaker 4: Who even knew that stars Hollow had a pool, let alone,
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  Speaker 4: one that Laura, I and Rory would hang out at
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  Speaker 4: in long sleeves and pants.
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  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 4: Quick little scene there kind of a little cringey, kind
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  Speaker 4: of some fat shaming going on.
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  Speaker 3: There a lot of fat shaming going on.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was kind of a running thread through the
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  Speaker 4: whole first half, like the whole first half of this
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  Speaker 4: episode was a little I wasn't a fan. I liked
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  Speaker 4: the second half a lot better. I did like in
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  Speaker 4: the next scene we get to have April. It was
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  Speaker 4: kind of fun to catch up with you know what
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  Speaker 4: April's been doing now she's heading off to grad school
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  Speaker 4: and that was a cute scene. I don't know about you, guys.
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  Speaker 4: One thing I wondered when when Luke and Laurela I
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  Speaker 4: were talking about sending her to Germany, and Luke said
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  Speaker 4: he had to pay for it, It made me wonder, like,
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  Speaker 4: where was Anna in all this?
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  Speaker 3: Where did she go? She just pieced out that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I was kind of hoping that maybe, like April realized
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  Speaker 4: what a crappy thing Anna did by keeping her from
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  Speaker 4: her dad, and maybe maybe April cut ties with her.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure it.
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  Speaker 3: Was implied that obviously Anna. It was implied that Anna
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  Speaker 3: is not in April's life anymore, or at least not
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  Speaker 3: helping her with her life anymore. And I feel like
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  Speaker 3: we missed out on that story. I wanted to hear it.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to hear what happened to Anna.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, there's a lot of unanswered questions there for sure.
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  Speaker 5: So the town meeting.
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  Speaker 4: I usually like the town meetings in the banter back
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  Speaker 4: and forth. This one was a little the whole thing
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  Speaker 4: with the air conditioning, it just was a little overplayed.
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  Speaker 1: I thought agree.
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  Speaker 5: The Something gang was kind of funny.
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  Speaker 4: Rory keeps saying I'm not back, I'm not back, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not back. That got a little I don't know, I
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  Speaker 4: felt a little annoying after a while.
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  Speaker 3: I liked the thirty somethings because I feel like everyone
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  Speaker 3: that has moved away from home and goes back to home,
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  Speaker 3: there is that group of people that you know from
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  Speaker 3: your high school that still live in that community, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I did actually really like that. But the
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  Speaker 3: one bone I have to pick is isn't this city
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  Speaker 3: so that the town's so small? I feel as if
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  Speaker 3: the thirty year olds would all know each other. It
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  Speaker 3: was weird that Rory didn't know them.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I thought too.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, wouldn't she have gone to like elementary school
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  Speaker 4: and middle school? Like we know, she didn't go to
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  Speaker 4: Stars hall O High except the one year, but she
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  Speaker 4: would have known them from just growing up with them.
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  Speaker 3: I thought the same thing, Yeah, she would have known them.
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  Speaker 3: And their parents and their families. So it's just odd
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  Speaker 3: that they were just meeting right.
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  Speaker 4: Right, and lauraa I too. There was the one scene
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  Speaker 4: in the diner where the lady was like, we're the
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  Speaker 4: parents of the thirty something gang. Like Laura would have
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  Speaker 4: known them also just from being around town. So so
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  Speaker 4: the town meeting is where we find out about the musical,
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  Speaker 4: which we'll get to the musical, and also we find
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  Speaker 4: out that the stars Hollow Gazette is shutting down, so
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  Speaker 4: it kind of sets up like the two major storylines
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  Speaker 4: for the episode. Back at the pool, Okay, so Luke
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  Speaker 4: is running around in the lifeguard shirt. What did we
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  Speaker 4: Was Luke actually the lifeguard or was that just a
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  Speaker 4: sh I didn't understand that because he kicked everyone out
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  Speaker 4: of the pool for no reason.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was a It was kind of a
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  Speaker 1: forced rant.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So right, So, introducing new fans to the Gilmore sphere
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  Speaker 1: via Netflix, and maybe they've been seeing memes or seeing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, hearing about this Luke who rants, Let's give
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  Speaker 1: him a RANTI Luke right away? You know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It seemed to be forced to me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just didn't I never pictured Luke as the
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  Speaker 4: lifeguard type because they established in the original series that
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  Speaker 4: he couldn't swim, so so.
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  Speaker 1: So true he took swimming lessons. Did we ever even
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  Speaker 1: see summer in the series?
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  Speaker 2: Like, I don't remember there being an episode of like
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  Speaker 2: like a really hot day in summer.
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  Speaker 4: There there was that hint of summer, that lazy, hazy,
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  Speaker 4: crazy episode where they were coming back at the end
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  Speaker 4: of summer.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but we didn't really get I was like,
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  Speaker 5: there's a community pool, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that was a
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  Speaker 5: surprise to all of us. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And then okay, so more. Yeah, and the thing with
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  Speaker 4: the kids, like the kids that were whole holding the umbrellas.
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  Speaker 5: I thought that was weird. I thought that was weird too.
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  Speaker 4: I kept thinking that was like a dream or something like.
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  Speaker 4: I kept waiting for the part where they were going.
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  Speaker 2: To wake up, right, right, Well, they followed Rory all
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  Speaker 2: the way until she was asking for the job, right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know this whole The whole first half of
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  Speaker 4: this episode just was like this alternate reality for me.
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  Speaker 3: The first half of this episode, the whole thing, the
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  Speaker 3: whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: Of it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it got a little better for me in the
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  Speaker 4: second half. Once once we got past the musical, although
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  Speaker 4: I actually liked the musical, but we'll talk about.
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  Speaker 5: That, okay.
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  Speaker 4: So then they run into Claudia, the therapist at at
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  Speaker 4: the audition for the musical, and we get a little
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  Speaker 4: glimpse of Sutton Foster in the background.
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  Speaker 5: That was kind of cool. I love Sutton Foster her.
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  Speaker 4: And then uh so, then that's the part you were
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  Speaker 4: just talking about, Taras when Rory goes into the market
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  Speaker 4: to to talk to Docie about which I mean it
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  Speaker 4: was it was appropriate, like who else but Rory is
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  Speaker 4: going to run the gazette.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it was like the perfect setup.
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  Speaker 2: I like that he also challenged for a bit, knowing
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  Speaker 2: he's just going to give her the job.
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  Speaker 4: And then so then he walks her over to the
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  Speaker 4: paper to introduce her to the employees, all two of them.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know that this was a case where
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  Speaker 4: they recycled the actor, but the the actor that played
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  Speaker 4: Charlie he was also in the original series. He was
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  Speaker 4: he was the minister at Grand's funeral, and he was
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  Speaker 4: also in the early in season one, he was in
• 8:02
  Speaker 4: the steam room when Richard and and uh what's her name?
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  Speaker 4: Rory went to play golf.
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  Speaker 5: So I thought, funny, kind of cute.
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  Speaker 4: But that was a cute little scene, like you kind
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  Speaker 4: of see what Rory's set up for. And then okay,
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  Speaker 4: now the Dragonfly and with Michelle.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I was not a fan of Michelle in the last episode.
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  Speaker 4: I'm still not a fan of Michelle. In this episode,
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  Speaker 4: he's like because he's talking about having kids and so
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  Speaker 4: I guess he was like practicing being around kids and
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  Speaker 4: he was being like sickly sweet with that. I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't really like that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm right there with you. It's so un Michelle, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'd rather him be snarky.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And so then he says he wants to go,
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  Speaker 4: you know, have a drink, and so that's when to talk.
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  Speaker 4: And then that's when Laura I realized, Okay, he's probably
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  Speaker 4: on his way out. Okay, what did you guys think
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  Speaker 4: of the Secret Bar?
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  Speaker 5: I thought, I thought, I loved it.
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  Speaker 3: This was my one saving grace for this episode. I
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  Speaker 3: loved the Secret Bar. Yeah, I thought, I want to
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  Speaker 3: go to the Secret Bar. And I feel like when
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  Speaker 3: Warner Brothers does their Christmas thing, they need to set
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  Speaker 3: up the Secret Bar.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Cool, This is so fun because.
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  Speaker 4: They did have it when we did the when you
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  Speaker 4: guys did that, the live event, the podcast event, I
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  Speaker 4: guess it was like, yeah, a year or two go
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  Speaker 4: now they did have the secret bar setup and they
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  Speaker 4: they had like food and stuff in there.
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  Speaker 3: It was really I must have missed that then. I
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  Speaker 3: don't remember seeing it. But throughout the whole series we
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  Speaker 3: always were saying why is there not a bar in
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  Speaker 3: Stars Hollow? So I like the payoff in the A.
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  Speaker 1: Lot of these old historic towns are dry.
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  Speaker 6: They're dry.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't want them to be dry. Luke and
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  Speaker 3: MORELEI to have a drink out.
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  Speaker 4: I loved how they all clearly have been through it before,
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  Speaker 4: where Taylor walks by and everybody like.
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  Speaker 5: Grabs a table.
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  Speaker 4: It's like puts themselves up against the wall, like they've
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  Speaker 4: clearly done this many times.
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  Speaker 3: The candles blowing out the candles.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then Taylor's like like you like you think
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  Speaker 4: something's up, but maybe not quite, and he just keeps going.
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  Speaker 4: But then this is where you know, Michelle and Laurla
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  Speaker 4: have kind of their heart to heart that he's leaving
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  Speaker 4: and and yeah, actually that's that's true. Jackie's noting that
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  Speaker 4: they did Casey's was in Stars Hollow.
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  Speaker 3: That was at like the very end, right, there was
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  Speaker 3: at least like a few seasons where we didn't have
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  Speaker 3: a bar.
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  Speaker 4: Right right, And they don't They weren't super obvious about it.
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  Speaker 5: It was it was kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Was was like, was it an arcade or a bar
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  Speaker 2: or an arcade bar.
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  Speaker 3: A barcade, barcade?
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that was more of an arcade because
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  Speaker 4: Luke went in there to get change.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, so I don't know. So we don't really
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  Speaker 2: have nothing established at least.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't think I think at that point Dean
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  Speaker 4: Woods wasn't underage, so I don't.
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  Speaker 5: Know if he would have been in a bar.
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  Speaker 4: Got it, Okay, let's see and then okay, so start
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  Speaker 4: they're back at Then they go to the Star's Hollow Gazette.
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  Speaker 4: Rory's having trouble with the forty year old computer. Then
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  Speaker 4: Lourlai comes by to talk about Michelle, and then we
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  Speaker 4: start the trope of drinking scotch. Okay, now this the whole,
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  Speaker 4: the whole thing with the first issue of the paper,
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  Speaker 4: and they're running all over town delivering it.
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  Speaker 5: Parts of that We're cute. I thought it was a
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  Speaker 5: little long. I don't know what you guys thought.
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  Speaker 2: That was fine. I liked it.
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  Speaker 3: Any excuse to go to the different places and stars hollow.
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  Speaker 3: I'm more so, you know, like I enjoyed all of
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  Speaker 3: that for the most part.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and when the townspeople were doing tai.
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  Speaker 4: Chi and she's like, yeah, the papers in their hand
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  Speaker 4: at the same time, that was that's cute.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And then okay, so then we go back to the
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  Speaker 4: Dragonfly and I know I said this on the previous episode,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't like the Dragonfly scenes without Suki, Like
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  Speaker 4: it's just they made it so stressful. Every single Dragonfly
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  Speaker 4: scene to me, was just full of tension.
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  Speaker 3: And well attention because Michelle's leaving, they don't have Suki.
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  Speaker 3: Rachel Ray is trying to cook up something and saying delish,
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  Speaker 3: trying to save the day. You know, it's I agree
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  Speaker 3: with you. We are missing Suki and Michelle can't leave.
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  Speaker 3: He needs to stay there.
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  Speaker 4: Right this time, we've got Luke there, and Luke is
• 13:15
  Speaker 4: ticked off because he's trying to run her kitchen on Hamburger.
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  Speaker 5: Day and also run his own business. I had to laugh.
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  Speaker 5: The pat lafreda comment.
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  Speaker 4: When I was in New York City earlier in the spring,
• 13:31
  Speaker 4: I saw a Pat Lafrida truck and I had to
• 13:33
  Speaker 4: take a picture of it because I'm like, that's from
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  Speaker 4: Kilbot Girls, And nobody knew what I was talking about.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, well, I thought it was funny, but yeah, just.
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  Speaker 5: Kind of just tense.
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  Speaker 4: There's tension between Lorelei and Luke.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, lots of tension.
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  Speaker 1: I liked working in the kitchen. It was a nice
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  Speaker 1: open kitchen. Yeah, yeah, those scenes were always fun. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't as cramped as the diner. Diner was a very
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  Speaker 1: cramp space. That was a little more open.
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  Speaker 4: They always had the dragon black kitchen always had like
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  Speaker 4: gorgeous vegetables and all this like fresh.
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  Speaker 7: Like a full display, right exactly, exactly, Okay, So then
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  Speaker 7: we there's more newspaper delivering feet hurt, et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: They dragged one of the kids into it, and then.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so Doyle. I thought that was a cute.
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: Little cameo from Doyle where he had written something like
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  Speaker 4: Rory asked him to write something for the paper and
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: then he was completing that.
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  Speaker 5: She ruined the review.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was.
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  Speaker 4: It was cute, and then the I thought it was funny.
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  Speaker 4: The two I can't think of their names now, that
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  Speaker 4: the two older people that were in the Esther and
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  Speaker 4: Charlie from the newspaper, and they're like, I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: the gym.
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  Speaker 5: Are you going, I'm gonna change I'll meet you over there,
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  Speaker 5: hanging on by a thread. Yeah, that was cute. And then.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so then Rory calls Emily. Emily is strangely asleep
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  Speaker 4: in the middle of the day.
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  Speaker 3: I find it interesting that Rory was the one that
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: had to call it out, like Grandma's still sleeping and
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  Speaker 3: Laurla I didn't think anything of it. Obviously, If Emily's
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: sleeping till noon, something's weird.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, that's kind of consistent with Laura, Like she's not
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: really too concerned about what her parents are doing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: unless something's wrong, like obviously, but it Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 4: Laura was just kind of in her own world with
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  Speaker 4: everything else that was.
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  Speaker 5: Bothering her.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, so now the musical.
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  Speaker 5: Let's let's talk about this musical.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it more than I think you guys did.
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  Speaker 1: But I after that first scene at the pool, in
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  Speaker 1: the Southern Ladies Southern Bells. I kind of bought into
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  Speaker 1: the absurdity of it because I kind of liked what
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  Speaker 1: Dan was going for. So by the time I got
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  Speaker 1: to the musical, I was I was primed, I was ready,
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  Speaker 1: I was expecting anything, and I ended up overall just
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  Speaker 1: really enjoying. The musical is the best part of the
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: episode so far in my opinion, the best writing, the
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  Speaker 1: best acting, the best obviously the best scene, but it
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  Speaker 1: was the most risky and the most fun.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's just something that, you know, it's difficult to write
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  Speaker 1: something that's supposed to be perceived as like it's so
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  Speaker 1: bad that it's good. It's in such bad taste that
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: it's actually really good. Yeah, but I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: an incredibly amusing homage to Star's Hollow, really really funny stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It's like something mel Brooks would have done or Robert
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, or s J. Pelmo or
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  Speaker 1: something along those lines. You know, really really enjoyed.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I enjoyed it too. I it's.
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  Speaker 4: If you listen to the lyrics, it's hilarious, really fun
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  Speaker 4: It is really funny. But I do I think many many,
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  Speaker 4: many fans hate the musical. They think it's a waste
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: of time, that it took time away that they could
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  Speaker 4: have spent like developing other storylines or seeing other characters.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the thing for me is I liked it.
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  Speaker 2: I just thought it was a little too long. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like I really enjoyed it. I just could have Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna make it shorter.
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  Speaker 3: I agree. And also nothing against Sutton Foster, love her,
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  Speaker 3: but why why her? I don't know. I felt like,
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  Speaker 3: if you were going to do a musical, have it
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  Speaker 3: be Miss Patty's musical or have it be Kirks. I
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: just I didn't think I was watching the Gilmore Girls,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a year in the life. I didn't feel
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  Speaker 3: like I was watching the show, So it was I.
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  Speaker 4: Think that's how a lot of fans feel, well.
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  Speaker 1: What is this? So this would be the third one
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: that they would have downloaded right to watch if they're
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: bitching it, And that's how the behavior is, as they'll
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Bingeji'll watch, they'll just watch it all in one night
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: or something one day, So this would be the third one.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: By the third episode, you kind of realize that, uh,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: this Gilmour train went off the tracks and they're not
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: developing storylines in an expectant way. They're not sort of
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  Speaker 1: in keeping with the first seven seasons, and this has
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  Speaker 1: gone in another direction. And you know, all the hopes
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: and dreams of the fans and what has happened over
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: nine years, Well, this didn't happen, and that didn't happen
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  Speaker 1: for Orriy, and this didn't happen for Luke and Laureli
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. And now you know,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Richard's gone, and it's a lot, it's a big adjustment.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: So what do you do as a writer, a creator
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: of something so iconic and so special and now even
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: you know, back in twenty sixteen, it was woven into
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the fabric of American pop culture. It was mentioned the
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Time Magazine's top one hundred shows of all time, you
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: know that kind of thing. Okay, So I just think
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: that Amy and Dan decided to take a completely different
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: approach because what they had done there. I mean, if
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: you try to duplicate something that has been so great
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: nine years prior, because we've aged, they've changed as writers,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: They've you know, they're they're writing different things now. So
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: you know, nobody asked them how hard it is to
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: get back into character because I only had to get
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: back into one character, and it was difficult for me
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to get back into a character that I owned, right,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Imagine what it's like for Amy and Dan to get
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: in back into character for twenty five characters or thirty characters.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: That's a good point.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: So I caught them a lot of flak because you know,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: they're just genius writers a and they had a big haul,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: So they just decided in the moment. I think, I
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: don't know for certain, it would nice. It would be
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: nice to hear from the horse's mouths that they just
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: decided to maybe in their estimation, expand the Gilmour universe
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: and take it into places you're not expecting. And that's
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: what great are to. They do things, They go in directions,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: and they do things that surprise, shock, and not always
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: delight their fan base. But for them, it's them stretching
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: muscles and enjoying the writing process and seeing where they
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: can take it. And it's like, you know, and it's
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: still iconic to them and all that, but it's like
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: we have to write something that we're feeling and that
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: we're sensing, and that that is pure for us right now,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: in this moment with these characters, and this is what
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: we get. So I kind of stopped fighting it and thought,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: you know, give in, take the ride. And I actually
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode. I really did. I really appreciated what
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: they tried to do with their own baby. They bought
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: their baby new clothes. You know, a lot of people
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: didn't like the clothes, but you know, there was some new,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: bright colors, and nobody thought you were going to dress
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: up your baby that way. But and they took real risks,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: And I think that's the sign of a real artist,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: is people who take risks. And I've heard all of
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the theories. Well it's a you know, they didn't like
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: their fans and it's an few to the fans. And
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I don't buy into that stuff. There's no way. I
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: mean no, I don't think so, you know, I don't
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: even want to entertain that. But I just think it's
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: it's hard to get into the head after nine years
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: of thirty forty characters.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: And and if they're in the writing process, they want
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: to take Rory down this Ali and they want to
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: have Luke and Lorleay and this way, and it doesn't
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: feel right or complete to me, the fans and you
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: guys all that, But to those two incredibly creative, genius writers,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: this is what they've decided to offer up. This is
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: how they were inspired to bring it to life, because
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: maybe they just weren't inspired anymore. You know, it's like
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: they left with a bad taste in their mouth. They
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: didn't get their two year deal right, and they deserved it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: They deserved more than that. They didn't get it. So
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: now was there time to sort of maybe tie it
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: all up, or or just try something completely new, you know,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: something experimental, something so far fetched that it couldn't be
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: anything other than great, or you know, a flop.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: And tell me if I'm wrong on this, Scott. But
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: as I recall from what I've read, is once it
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: was decided, like the reboot came together really quickly, So
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: it wasn't like they had a lot of time to
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: write these four scripts for you know, one hundred and
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: eighty minutes of television. Like they had to get it
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: done quickly, so it wasn't like they had a lot
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: of time for rewrites or you know, multiple versions and
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: you know, kind of thinking it all the way through
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: and then redoing it and you know, refining it. They
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: just had to like, you know, we're shooting right away,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: so we have to work quickly to get a script together.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: It's a very good point. And you know, with all
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the other projects they had on their back burner, their
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: front burners that they're trying to get off the ground
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: and actually producing and and trying to get into shape.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Because Masiel was around the same time, right straight around
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the same time.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I think it was being fleshed out.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely before mal.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably probably what a year or two before. Did
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: when did Mazel start? Eighteen nineteen seventeen, so you guess, yeah.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: So they would have been like in the development.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: State, they really would have been like writing scripts maybe
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: even at that point. So yeah, it's it's a time
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: management issue and it's like, oh, this thing just dropped
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: in our lap. How are we going to do this, Dan,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Let's talk it out. Let's let's see if we can
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: storyboard this. I mean, what an endeavor four films And
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: you know, they're smart enough and great enough writers that
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: they can figure out how to write films, and they did.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: But it's a lot a lot to ask two writers
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: in such a short period of time to write four
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: screenplays and it's a three hundred and one, one hundred
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: and eighty three hundred and sixty minutes of solid entertainment.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: That's hard. Writing one screenplay is really hard. I've written
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: fifteen screenplays, you know how hard they are to write? Well,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I mean it's just like you got to write ten
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: just to know what not to do, you know. Yeah,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: But it's like these got these these two you know,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: they cobbled something to get the other. That was I
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: don't know even if even if you say to yourself,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: they just flew by the seat of their pants, They
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: just threw a bunch of stuff down on paper. They
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: opened a couple of the crates of wine and just
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: had a good time and let it fly. Good for them,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: you know, because it was all in all, if you
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: don't take it too seriously, it's a fun ride.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's that's what I tell people, and I
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: probably have said it on the podcast that like, you
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: can't go into the reboot expecting it to be just
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: a continuation of season seven, like it's you have to
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: really just judge it on its own merits, because it's
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: a completely different beast and you know, to your point, Scott,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: it was nine years later. So not only are all
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: the actors nine years older, but the writers were nine
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: years older too. Everybody had, you know, just our country
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: was a different place, a different perspective, like everybody was,
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: you know, just looks at the world differently, and you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: we're all more mature and just think about things differently.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: So it just it's not unexpected that that would come
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: out in the writing as well. So, but there are
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: some hilarious moments in the musical. So if anybody is
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: listening that hasn't actually listened to the lyrics, put the
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: captions on and listen to what they're actually saying, because
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: it's it's pretty funny.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Huge fan of the of the musical, Huge fan. I
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: would pay money to see a full length stars.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: And it's catchy, like you know, you sing the songs
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: and yeah, sorry, I am quiet.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I just I can't disagree with And if Sutton Foster
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: that other guy were starring in it, I'd be the
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: first one in law.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: That's her ex husband.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: By the way, Oh is that right?
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: Oh really?
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: That would be a fun night out at the theater.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: So Danielle, I want to hear what I go, I
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: want to hear what you think.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Just no, bleno. I didn't like it. I didn't like it.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: I was confused. I didn't know why so much emphasis
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: was on these characters we don't care about. What did
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: it offer to the storyline?
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Nothing?
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: In my opinion, If it was isolated, cool, I'm sure
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: it's entertaining just as a part of this very precious
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: four series reboot. I'm not interested in it. Sorry, I
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: sounded really mean.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, I think that that's a popular opinion.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, what if you what if?
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: And you know I saw it as Amy and Dan's
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: love letter to stars hollow.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Hollow people?
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: How could we That's where I think that people can't
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: sing and dance like that.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Well, I've seen Kirk do it many times.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: No, no, I mean I'm talking.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Miss Patty runs a dance studio, so she better.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I understand. I understand. I understand what you're saying. But
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: to have all of us or not Luke probably wouldn't
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: want to be a part of it. But to have
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: all of the Gilmore characters in a star's hollow musical,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: we you know, couldn't execute at the level of what Sutton,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Foster and her ex husband, and everybody up on that
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: stage was doing that is a a that is an
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: art form and a discipline that is and Sutton Foster's
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: at the top of her game and probably at the
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: top of that category. I mean, she's winning Tony Awards
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: as a Broadway musical actress. So it's a very very
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: very very particular discipline.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: You know, Sutton Foster, no discredit to her. She did
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: a fabulous job job and she's so talented. I just
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: didn't want it in this, you know, like I said,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: isolated in some other show or as its own thing,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: great fantastic entertaining as a part of this just felt
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: very off off.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: All right, Okay, just for a second, pretend you're Amy
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Sherman Palladino. Okay, You've had this massive, massive success with
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls. You are being recognized as one of the
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and feted is one of the great talents in Hollywood
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Okay, the awards haven't poured in yet,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and I always knew that they would, and I even
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: wrote Amy an email stating that it was like a
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: hang in there, You're going to get more gold statues
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: than you know what to do with that. I was right,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: because she was denied that on Gilmore Girls, and I
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: thought some people this talented will not go unrecognized series
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: after series after serious Imagine how they felt after Bunheads
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: that got canceled after two years, right, And I think
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: they did another one in New York City. Uh. And
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I think Scott Collen was was one of the stars
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: of it. And I think Sutton Foster was was also
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: the star of that show. And that didn't last but
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: a year.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: If that, this is all I can say to this.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: You have two of the most popular boy bands in
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: history in sync backshit. Boys never want a Grammy, But
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: what do they give you? They give you what the
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: fans want, and they give you those bangers and then
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: give you those hits, and they are They always say, yeah,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: I've never won a Grammy, but.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: Who the hell cares?
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: But that's music, same, same, same, same same same.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I got where you're going with it to day, I'll
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: get what you're saying.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Boys won a Grammy recently, they just won their Grammy. Right, No,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think they haven't. They still haven't anyways.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: But but if I'm if, I'm Amy Sherman Paladino and
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: now it's not the time.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Amy Sharon do that in butnheads do it in a
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: different series.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I look at it like, Okay, if you want to
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: do a music analogy, if what I would Jimmy Hendrix
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: or Eric Clapton or Janis Joplin, or what would Carol
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: King or somebody at that level, What would they do
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: if somebody threw a boatload of money at him and said,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: you know, Jimmy, let's reimagine the experience and purple haze
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: or whatever, acrosstown traffic or you know, or Eric, let's
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: do Leila again. But here's the difference put it. You know,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: they would all come up with something radically different nine
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: years later, right, They really really would, so I think so.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: The point I'm making is true artists, real deep artists.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: They try new things or else, they can't do it.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: They never ever ever go back and do the same thing.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: They don't do it. And it's not a knock on
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: the fans. Okay, it feels like it for the fans.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: It's just the acknowledgment that we're artists. We live in
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the moment, we get inspired in the moment, and this
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: is what inspired us to do this. This is what
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: we're giving you now, So I don't want to. I
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: don't want to judge it from a historical context. I
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: just want to give it a chance and and sort
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: of judge it and try to enjoy it with fresh eyes.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: And this is what we get in twenty and sixteen,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: after nine years of you know, because it was it
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: was a sad ending for that show, which had far
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: more life in it. So anyway, that's just those are
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: my thoughts.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: That's fair. And maybe I just need to watch it
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: again for more of an entertainment value, you know, instead
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: of instead of the Gilmore Girls tug on my heart,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: you know, thinking it robbed us of some time in
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: this episode. But I'm you know, I should go back
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: and watch it as a little bit removed from that,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: and I'm sure it's entertaining, but for me watching it,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: I just immediately disassociated from it.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's a normal first response, because
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: I will say I didn't always. I mean, I love
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: the musical now, but I've seen it a bunch of times,
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: so I didn't love it the first time either. I
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: was like, well, I wanted to see I wanted to
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: catch up with more characters. I want to see more
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: you know, Luke and Laurelai. I want to see, you know,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: things work out for these people. And I'm like, who,
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: like like you were saying, like at the time, I
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: didn't even know who Sutton Foster was the first time
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: I watched it, so I was like, who are Like
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: do they live in the town?
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: Like why are we watching this?
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: So I think that your reaction, Danielle is completely normal
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: for you know, the first time viewer and for me personally.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: It took a couple tries and then I like, I
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: really started paying attention to it and listening to it,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: and it.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: Was once I was less disoriented than it.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Was, like you saying that it was funny. I don't
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: remember what they said. I just remember watching being like
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: what oh.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I roared with laughter and just the fact that that
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: loralized reaction was abject horror. That's why. That's that's when
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I knew it was really funny.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and Sam Pancake was sitting next to her and
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: he's like, right, well, happy and excited, and.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody everybody would.
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I just thought, God, what what courage to write something
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: like that or something like this, you know, to use
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: this as a launching pad to do this again again.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: From a creative perspective, I really really do.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: I think it took a lot of balls to do that.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: And you know, there's a thing in writing where you
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: gotta you gotta kill your favorite children, you know, in
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: order to come up with something great, like if it
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: doesn't fit in, you know, you got to get rid
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: of it, you got to cut it out, that kind
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: of thing. And just for them going back to you know,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: rehash old storylines and let's because you can't pick up
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: where you left off. You got a sort of it's
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: nine years later, So what happened? What happened? What if
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: you know, things didn't go so well for Rory? What
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: if Luke and Laura I didn't get married have a kid?
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: And I know I've been tough on it, right, I've been,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: you know, peeved that it seems like they dumped on
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: Luke a little bit and made him dumb and all
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. But I'm not you know, I'm
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: not the writer. I didn't create it. Okay, I can
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: have my opinion. That's the beauty of collaboration between you know,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: intervative artists and creative artists, And that's that should that
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: should happen more often on sets. I think it really
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: should be that that that should be for it didn't
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: happen a lot on our set, and I wish it did.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: But having said that, I really just tried to watch
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: it as a new fan that heard about this Gilmore thing,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: hadn't seen the show, and let's just watch Summer Wonder.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Let's let's check this out as a new experience. And
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I thought, boy, this'd be pretty good. She just were
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: introduced to it, like, hey, go watch the Summer Thing,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Like you see these two and they're they're being Southern
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: bells and it's kind of funny and there, you know,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and you just get into it. It's like, well, this
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: is different, right, this could work for me. I mean,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: it's member, it's television, so you really what you know,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and it's and it's and it's Gilmore Girls and it's Netflix,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: but it's still it's Gilmore Girls. So how do you
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: how do you stretch that envelope? You can't stretch that
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: envelope too much. I thought they took it to the
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: nth degree the farthest they could. They could stretch the
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: envelope for this and not make it like completely unrecognizable anyway.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: Then the end of that scene.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: I really loved when with Carol King when she says, oh,
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: I wrote some songs, but I never did anything with them. Great,
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: and then she plays I Feel the Earth movement.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: It was like it's not enough.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: She say, isn't that great? Was the fact to take
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: it write something like that and Carol King play it
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: and play it so well? Just yeah, I really enjoyed that.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, were you on set that day because you weren't
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: in the scene. Were you around when she was playing?
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: No, Unfortunately, that would have been amazing.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: So then we we go to Emily and Richards and
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: Rory comes over to check on Emily and there's a
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: TV in the living room. So this after the musical,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: is when the episode got.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: A little more Gilmore. Yeah.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it was the whole thing with the you know,
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: the stars hollow in the pool and the boys with
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: the umbrella like that was weird to me. But then
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: it started to feel a little more Gilmoury. We had
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: a da R meeting and then Rory suggests that maybe
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: she go back to the club and you know, kind
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: of get back in their social circle again.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: And so then the next scene.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Okay, So, Danielle, do you want to talk about Jess.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Right, I don't know if I want to. Oh no,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: I'm really disappointed, guys, I am very disappointed. He's my
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: favorite character. Him and Emily are time hoping for. I
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: was hoping for them to like flirt and maybe make
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: out and for I don't know. I was hoping that
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: he was endgame, which he's obviously not.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: And they haven't even seen each other for four years.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: At this point. He's just making her a better person,
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: and she's giving zilch to him like nothing, and not
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: even honestly even appreciative, like she just I don't know,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: He's just I wanted to see him and Luke hang
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: out for at the diner like I want to. I
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't get that interaction. I wanted Jess and Luke
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: to have a whole moment and talk and do their thing,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: and then I wanted Jess and Rory to reconnect and
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: talk about how they're doing and also their past like
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: I wanted. I felt like there was no acknowledgment to
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: what Jess was in the series to him in the movie.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: He could have just been a pass along character in
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: these movies. You know, he seemed like he didn't have
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: a presence in this series. Does that make sense? And
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: he was such a pivotal part of the series that
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: when he came back in the movies, I expected more,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: not a three minute scene where he's telling Rory to
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: shape up and giving her advice. I don't know, it's
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: just yeah, I.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Wish there was more. But I also think it kind
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: of followed from when we saw him come to Yale,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Like that's how I felt like that was.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Juicy, that was cool.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: I loved that.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just felt like they followed that storyline
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: of it, do you know what I mean, coming in
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: to give her advice and get her head on her shoulders.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: And but I also wonder because again I did say,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I wish the musical was a tad shorter so we'd
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: get more gilmore time. But I also wonder if like
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: they only had him for one day, you.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Know, yeah, well pack up that day, make it figure
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: it out. Yeah, I don't know, so I will let
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: me do, let me down. I'm not gonna lie it
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: maybe real real won't won't won't, won't want and my
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: my favorite favorite character in this whole series.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: Just well, if it helps. That is not all that
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: we see of.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Jess better not Warner Brothers Studios.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Jess gots a spin off.
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: I thought the little thing in the back was cute
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: where he goes outside and then grabs Luke's hat and
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: throw it.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I thought that was cute.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought that was nice.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: So then it goes to a week later at Emily
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: and Richard's and.
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: We meet Jack Smith.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: Who I swear when he turned around, I thought that
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: was Robert Wagner, which is silly because he's.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: Like in his eighties but are actually nineties by now.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: But so Laurelai is like kind of bristling because she's like,
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: who is this guy that's sniffing around?
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: And then Emily kind of picked a fight with laurel I.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: She was mad Lareley just couldn't do anything right.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: She was Emily was going to be mad either way
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: because she thought she was being dismissive, but then she
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: wouldn't accept him either. So I think one of the
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: key points in that scene was this is where laurel
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: I found out about the real estate that Luke had
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: gone out to look at real estate with Emily, which
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: was a surprise to her. And then the okay, the
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: cemetery scene, it was like it kind of choked me up.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: To see the headstone. I was like, oh my gosh.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: I did love that Emily has gone through like five though. Yeah,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: I did love that.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: That was a nice touch.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Also got a little George Belle in that scene, so
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: it was good to see him. And so then the book, Okay,
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: so what did you guys? I want to I'm curious
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: because I had a reaction to laurelize reaction to the book.
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: What I did I do?
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: I go utah, you go first.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: I I was a little taken back by a Laurelized reaction.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: I thought she would if she didn't want Roy to
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: write about her. I think it would have been a
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: little bit more of a conversation and Rory even like
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: hit on the head where she's like, you're usually not
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: passive aggressive towards me, like we talk it out. And
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I think that it was out of Lorelei's character to
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: just be like, no, you can't do that, because she
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: always wants her daughter to succeed. But I do understand that,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: like she doesn't want a story written about her. So
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I was like, I was kind of torn by it
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: because I was like, I understand not wanting to be
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: have your life written about you, but I didn't think
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: she'd shut down Rory so quickly.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of agree. I was torn because I
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: don't think Lorel I should be at fault for saying
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: please don't write about me. But at the same time,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: this story is also Rory's story, a lot of it is,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: and so just kind of robbing her daughter from writing
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: her own story too, in a weird way. But but yeah,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: I'm torn on it, and I'm actually really curious to
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: see how this pans out.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: I was actually on laurel I side on this because
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: Rory said she was going to start, you know, when
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: Larela I was sixteen, and you know, the riches to
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: rag story, like that's not Rory's story to tell, and
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: so I kind of felt that I really understood where
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Laurel I was coming from that, like she doesn't want
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: her secrets spilled out to the public because she very
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: carefully created that little bubble that she raised Rory in
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: to you know, be away from her parents or whatever,
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: and so I really kind of understood Larelized perspective on that.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: And I think if Rory wants to write about her
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: own experience, and obviously moral I is going to be
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: included in that, then fine, But to write about Laurel
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: I without lrelized permission was.
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: A little weird to me.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: I don't know, Scott was did you think about Lorelei's
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: reaction to the book proposal.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I think, you know, laurelized
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: life and what she did for her daughter, what she
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: chose to do is it should not be fodder or
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: a book. Now, if Rory had gone to Laurel I
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: and said, listen, I'm thinking about writing a book about us,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: what do you think, and really gone to her and
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: just you know, not assumed that she was going to
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: go along with it. Yeah, that's those are her precious memories.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Those that's her life, and you know she owns them
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: as much as Rory owns them.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: So yeah, and Rory I thought I had a real
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: sense of entitlement, like Laura I owe this to her.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could really argue both sides of it. But
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: if Laura I feels the way she feels, you know,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: you got her.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And at the end of the day, it's a
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: book about LAURAAI and her experience, so you can't really
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: do that without Laura Lai being on board, right.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: And I agree with you Scott that if Rory had
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: come to Laura I and said, hey, I'm thinking about
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: doing this and maybe been more collaborative about it than
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: just coming to her and being like, I'm going to
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: write this book and you know you have to give
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: me this.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: It was just a little aggressive to me.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: So I also wonder if Rory like could have given
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: because she said she wrote, like she outlined the first
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: five chapters. I think also she could have been like, hey,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: here's what I was thinking. Can you look it over
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: and let me know what you think?
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Right? Not a great sales pitch from.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Us, or just this is what I want to do.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: What's what can't I talk about what's off the table
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: for you?
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: You know, like mom, what's off the table?
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: And when you, Scott, when you said sales pitch, that
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: made me think, like Rory even said that, she's like, oh,
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: let me pitch it again, Like no, this isn't like
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: a pitch meeting, like you know, it's a mother daughter conversation,
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: like let's talk about what's going to be and what's
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: not going to be in rather than you know's trying
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: to trying to do a pitch. So but you know,
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: at the same time, I do understand Rory was excited
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: about the idea. It seemed like the first thing in
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: a long time that she'd actually been excited about, So
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: I can I can see her perspective too, But I
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: just I don't.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Know if she if she were to write, was she
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: planning on writing a fictional fiction novel based on how
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: she grew up? I mean, she'd have to really obscure
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: it out.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: See, that's what I was thinking when Jess was talking
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: to her, because they loved reading novels and stuff like that.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I thought he was talking about her writing a book,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: like a novel based on That's how That's how I
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: was thinking, just because it was Jess.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: But well, I think if she wanted to write something,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: she would just go off and she would write it. Yeah,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: and then when she was done with it, she presented
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: to Laurel I and said say, look, this is what
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I wrote. What do you think? Then they have the conversation,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: you know, but it's like she just botched it. Yeah.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: So then we move to the next scene and the
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: next confrontation, which is Luke and Laurelei in the diner.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: Lorelei is pissed at Luke because he went restaurant shopping
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: with Emily, and then you know, Luke is pissed at
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: Lorelei that she has been going to therapy without telling him. So,
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I thought it was a good dramatic scene.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: You really see that really everything is not good between
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: you know, they're they're kind of settled and they're together,
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: but they're not happy and they're not really like in sync.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: And then.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: The I don't know, I liked that scene. I like
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: the end when he is yelling about Sandral.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't really enjoy that storms.
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: Back to the to the diner. I don't know what
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: you guys thought about that.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: But definitely maybe a top ten Luke lorel I scene.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: It was a good scene and it was it was emotional,
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: it was well acted.
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: I enjoyed that scene.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: And then Rory now is at Lane's house venting about
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: uh Lorelai, and then Logan calls and that's you know,
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: Rory's finds out that Odette is there.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: She she calls Logan.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: That's right, well, yeah, she calling by accident, but then
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: he called her back and Lane answered her phone, and
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: then Odette is there and so then Rory. She's already
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: emotional from having just fought with Loralai and now like
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: we're layering this on top and she's like, you know,
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: we're not breaking up because we're nothing.
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: That was kind of a sad moment for her.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but like finally I know, Yeah.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: I did think it was funny when Lane's like, you
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: want a lipatory just got some m and then.
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: The okay. So then the last two real.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: Key moments of the episode. One is when she goes
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: back to MS. Patty's and settin Foster is they're singing
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: the Unbreakable song.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: That was great.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: I really enjoyed that the song, and I totally identified
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: with Lurlai in that moment where just you think everything's
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: going wrong and you're trying to juggle it all and
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: it's like.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Kind of that's a big film scene. That's a film moment.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: Yes, And then I liked how they suddenly cut to
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: the wide shot and she's in the room by.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed, right, So great stuff.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: And then so she goes home like she's emotional, she's
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: crying she goes home.
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: Luke is fixing the shelf.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: And she tells him she's going to go do wild.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: So I don't know if you guys noticed at the
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: beginning of the episode when they were at the pool,
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: she was reading Wild. Oh yeah, And so she comes
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: in that's where that came from. She comes in and
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: she's like, I'm gonna go do wild and looks like,
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: you know, that's out of nature. Like that was a
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: it was a cute little conversation, but I really I
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: could really feel Lorealized emotion on that, like she's like,
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: I got to do something.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Lorealize at this point right now, where obviously her
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: relationship is not the best, her relationship with her daughter
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: is now not the best, her relationship with her mom
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: has never been the best. So I think she's kind of.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: And she's losing Michelle too, like everything, all of her
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: major relationships are going through a crisis.
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: Zuki too.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody's mm hmm.
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: Right, Suki's gone, she's been gone for a year, like.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Her dad's no longer. So yeah, her, she all her relationships,
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: she's very much alone right now.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Is it's like a prime time for X Defer to
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: show up.
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: Somehow that's a nice horn you at that.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: He guess what, Laura, I'm really rich.
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: More rich years ago.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: I just I can't lose.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: That was funny.
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: Oh man.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: But yeah, and then just the the very final scene
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: with that the look of almost confusion on Luke's face.
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: He's like because he's I mean, he's having a crisis
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: of his own too, to a lesser degree, but just
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: that that closing scene, just.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: He's trying to figure out who's inhabiting his body at
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: this moment.
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: You gotta go a soul back, right exactly.
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: So I liked the end. I thought it was good.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm very excited for Fall because I feel
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: that Fall is Gilmore girls. I'm saying as I'm excited
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: for it because I really do feel in this grand
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: finale we're going to get back Winter was strong spring
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: in summer, and I feel like there's only room to
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: go up, and Fall is going to bring it back home.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Oh you want to rate it?
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah you go first?
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, Tarror, you're gonna go first.
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Tarr, you go.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I give it.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Seven and Stars Hollow gazettes mm hmmm. Copies of the
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Star's Hall Gazette Danielle.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: I'm going to give it three out of ten last Scotch.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: The three out of ten comes from the secret bar.
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to give it.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: Uh, I'm going to give it six point nine floaty huts.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: I'm going to a favorite line too.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I look, let's not mix the rounds. We can't
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: cross the streams. It's very dangerous. Like Jackie and those
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: people back there, They're going to get electrocuted if we
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: do that. Ah, I don't know. I really enjoyed this.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give it a nine point seventy five.
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I just just for the
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: musical alone and those big movie moments and the Laurla experience.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: I just I just thought it was It's just was
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: so good. It was so funny and so fun and
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: so poignant. If you can make me laugh that hard
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: in a musical and then give me a moment, a
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: powerful moment of a woman who you know, who's unbreakable
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: and looking at her entire life behind her in front
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: of her in a song, Oh tears your heart out, man.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Beautiful stuff, just beautiful stuff. So I want to give
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: it to them, you know, as a thank you for
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: what you gave me. You know what I'm saying, some
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: gratitude and because it's a I'm gonna I'm gonna say,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: you know, nine point seven pairs of balls. There you
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: go here anyway, all right, so that's gonna wrap around. Uh,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: thank you, ladies. Tara Sued, Susanne French, Danielle Romo's And
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: it's odd you don't even notice when Amy's not here, right,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: It's like exactly the same. It's like what.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: A fire and Spicer is missing.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Anyway, Thank you, ladies, much appreciated. And to you the
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: best fans on the planet. Thank you so much for
• 57:28
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